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Speaker 1: David Seymour is blaming bots for the apparent unpopularity of

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Speaker 1: the Regulatory Standards Bill. He reckons almost all of the

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Speaker 1: twenty three thousand submissions of fake because they've been generated

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Speaker 1: by bots. Now, Doctor David Wilson is the Clerk of

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. Hey David, Hello, you spotted any

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Speaker 1: bots in there?

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Speaker 2: No, we haven't, and our cybersecurity team are confident that

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Speaker 2: there aren't any bots making submissions to Parliament?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had any bots making submissions?

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Speaker 2: Not as far as we know right.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if I just wonder if what David

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Speaker 1: Seymour is talking about is not really bots but those

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Speaker 1: forms where you just go online to a website, chuck

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Speaker 1: your details and it seems basically the same submission with

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Speaker 1: different names repetitively. Could that be what he means?

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Speaker 2: I can't speculate about what the Minister might mean, but

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Speaker 2: certainly those form submissions do come to Parliament, and some

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Speaker 2: of them a hard copy and yeah, others are online

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Speaker 2: where people on them mountain send them in.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't consider those fakes, though, would we. No.

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Speaker 2: Select committees don't treat those as fake submissions. They're real submissions,

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Speaker 2: they possibly will just say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Right, so we don't really know what he's

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Speaker 1: talking about, then, do we.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't speak for the minister.

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Speaker 1: No, neither can I, as it turns out. Okay, Now listen, David,

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Speaker 1: while I've got you, what do you make of the

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Speaker 1: punishment for Debbie and and of the Marii part? Is

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Speaker 1: it too harsh?

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Speaker 2: That's not really something for me to comment on. Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: it's up to members to vote on. I gave the

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Speaker 2: Privileges Committee advice on it, and really it's their decision,

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Speaker 2: not mine.

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Speaker 1: And are you allowed to tell us what the advice was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the advice is publicly available to anyone who wants it. Really,

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Speaker 2: it was along the lines of, you know, the most

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Speaker 2: of their penalty given to date had been a three

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Speaker 2: day suspension, and that if it was going to be

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Speaker 2: substantially more than that, you know, the committee should give

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Speaker 2: reasons to explain that. And ideally they'd reached that position

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Speaker 2: unanimously since it was a major change in practice.

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Speaker 1: In the House, okay, And so you gave your advice

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Speaker 1: to them. It then went obviously it was tabled in parliament.

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Speaker 1: Did the Speaker seek your advice as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I advise the speaker out all the time, but

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Speaker 2: on a confidential basis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not allowed to tell us what you

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Speaker 1: told him. No, okay. Thank you for your time. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Doctor David Wilson, Clerk of the House of Representatives.

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