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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duper Cy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks Heavy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, Matthew Houton on

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Speaker 3: the luxe and coup rumors, Auckland Pride on taking the

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Speaker 3: government to court over the transgender community sports situation, and

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Speaker 3: Mark Lister of Craig's investment on what's going on with

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Speaker 3: the AI stocks volatility.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper Cy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Well either the Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is telling Porky's

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Speaker 3: or he is the most out of the loop person

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Speaker 3: in Wellington. But it is complete bs for him to

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Speaker 3: suggest that there is no talk of rolling Chris Luxon. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that is, yes, there is. I can tell you for

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Speaker 3: a fact that there are senior National Party ministers who

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Speaker 3: say lux and can't continue in the job. I can

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Speaker 3: tell you for a fact that MP's are talking to

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Speaker 3: each other about whether they should roll him, because they

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Speaker 3: are considering whether to pillpen and ROI. But if they

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Speaker 3: do roll him, the most likely person that they will

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Speaker 3: roll him for is Chris Bishop. But they haven't, and

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Speaker 3: this is important, they haven't decided to do it. Either

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Speaker 3: that or they don't have the numbers to do it,

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Speaker 3: probably because it is a really, really risky thing to do.

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Speaker 3: It's only happened once before rolling a sitting prime minister,

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Speaker 3: and it was Jim Bolger and that didn't go well

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Speaker 3: for a number of reasons. Now there is always the

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Speaker 3: chance as well. This is what they've got to take

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Speaker 3: into consideration. There is always the chance that sticking with

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Speaker 3: Luxon might be okay. Next year. If the economy improves,

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Speaker 3: Nationals polls will probably go up. Some of the MPs

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Speaker 3: worried about losing their seats on current polling will then

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Speaker 3: be fine. But there is a chance that the Poles

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Speaker 3: don't recover enough to save all of the MP's at

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Speaker 3: risk losing their seats right now because Luson is so

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Speaker 3: unpopular that he is a drag on Nationals vote and

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Speaker 3: like it or not, modern elections are about who you

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Speaker 3: want as your prime minister. Jacinda is the reason that

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Speaker 3: Labour's vote went up in twenty seventeen. Luxon is part

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Speaker 3: of the reason that Nationals vote has fallen. May do

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Speaker 3: a better, guess, a better job, but that is just

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Speaker 3: going to be a guess, right We do not know.

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Speaker 3: They will be guessing. National MPs cannot be sure. He

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Speaker 3: could also do a terrible job. Also, the instability that's

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Speaker 3: created by rolling a sitting prime minister could make Nationals

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Speaker 3: vote fall even further. It is a high risk move frankly,

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Speaker 3: either way, Sticking with Luxen who is unpopular as high risk.

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Speaker 3: Trying out Chris Bishop, who's unproven is also high risk.

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Speaker 3: It is a call that frankly, I myself would not

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Speaker 3: want to make, but it is a call that National

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Speaker 3: MPs are making, and they are making it right now.

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Speaker 3: They are deciding right now whether they do this or not.

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Speaker 3: It may never eventuate, but the talk, trust me, is real.

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Speaker 2: Heather duplusy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Ah yeah, I mean we'll come back to that in

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Speaker 3: just tick because we do have to talk to Matthew Houston,

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Speaker 3: which is a thing in and of itself. Nine two

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Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number. Standard text fees apply.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: You might recall the heartbreaking case of the baby who

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Speaker 3: died from a medication overdose earlier this year. We talked

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Speaker 3: Community Pharmacy Group decided to review just how often prescription

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Speaker 3: eras happen. The findings are staggering, more than one thousand,

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Speaker 3: two hundred mistakes in a single week, and a quarter

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Speaker 3: of them carried a high risk of harm. Pete Chandler

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Speaker 3: is the CEO of the Midland Community Pharmacy Group and

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Speaker 3: with US high Peat. Hi, Heather, did this surprise you?

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Speaker 5: It did surprise me very so seeing these reports flag

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Speaker 5: up on my laptop every few minutes from when we

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Speaker 5: started the audit.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, were you getting in real time?

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 3: And so were you sitting there watching it came in?

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Speaker 5: I was, yeah?

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Speaker 3: And what was the feeling was was your heart just sinking?

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Speaker 5: I think there are two things that I saw as

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Speaker 5: the narrative text that pharmacists throat alongside it that explained

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, your heart.

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Speaker 5: Does think thinking, we really do have a problem.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, I feel like, in the interest of being fair,

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Speaker 3: it is not just pharmacists who are responsible for these

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Speaker 3: twelve hundred mistakes, right, it's the doctors as well.

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Speaker 6: Correct.

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Speaker 5: But I need to clarify that what we've audited here, Heather,

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Speaker 5: with prescriptions rather than clinical errors. And there's a really

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Speaker 5: important difference in that we weren't auditing patient medical records

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Speaker 5: to find prescriber errors. We were capturing issues that pharmacists

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Speaker 5: spotted on scripts that needed time to resolve. So that's

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Speaker 5: a really important distinction.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, hold on. So this is not mistakes pharmacists

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Speaker 3: are making. These are mistakes doctors are making that pharmacists

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Speaker 5: I'll clarify further. They're not necessarily mistakes, but they are issues.

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Speaker 5: So the distinction we've made here is that an issue

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Speaker 5: is not necessarily an error, but it is a problem.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of these issues do relate to the

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Speaker 5: functioning of IT systems rather than actual clinical errors. So

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Speaker 5: it's important to be really clear on that, and that

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Speaker 5: was the reason why we did this audit to understand

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Speaker 5: the extent of things that pharmacists were having to work

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Speaker 3: I see what you mean, because every single issue or

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Speaker 3: it takes up time, right, it cuts into your day. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So this has been reasonably misleadingly in the way that

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Speaker 3: this has been reported, because it's been reported as pharmacist

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Speaker 3: EIAs it's not pharmacistias. So do we have a handle?

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, but that makes the whole situation works

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Speaker 3: because now we're dealing with doctors making errors. Do we

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Speaker 5: So I'll just correct again, We're not necessarily talking about

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Speaker 5: doctors errors. What we're talking about here is system issues,

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Speaker 5: how the IT work. This is the first insight into

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Speaker 5: and there's very few around the world, and there's plenty

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Speaker 5: of historic reviews of paper scripts in the past which

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Speaker 5: showed issues with doctor's handwriting and other problems. What we've

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Speaker 3: And what are the problems that the computers are creating.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a combination of the IT systems, how users

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Speaker 5: are typos in an electronic system model that's got no

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, thank you for talking us through a p DO.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate a peach Chendler Midland Community Pharmacy Group CEO Gees.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the pharmacist has got a reason to

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Speaker 3: be reasonably upset about this today. It's been reported like

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Speaker 3: it was all pharmacy erarors and it wasn't at all

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Speaker 3: those doctor eras. Now I'm looking forward to somebody actually

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Speaker 3: doing an orders on the pharmacist so as well. Remember

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Speaker 3: what I said, Do you remember? Because I think I

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Speaker 3: still think this is the best way to approach This

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Speaker 3: is just whatever you get given, double double double check,

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Speaker 3: use check GBT, read the label, do whatever, but double

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Speaker 3: check that the people who know what they're doing have

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Speaker 3: I just think it's worth as a human. Before you

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Speaker 3: start putting stuff in your gob, just double check that

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Speaker 3: they've told you to put the right amount into your gob. Now, listen,

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Speaker 3: Apropos what we were talking about yesterday, which was that

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Speaker 3: the feral cats have been added to the twenty fifty

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Speaker 3: predator freak you know, predator free kill list. It will

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Speaker 3: come as no surprise to you whatsoever that Gareth Morgan

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Speaker 3: is absolutely stoked about this. He says feral cats are

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Speaker 3: part of a big crime family. That man, honestly, that

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Speaker 3: man brightens my day with how ridiculous he is. Sometimes

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Speaker 3: sixteen past four.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full Show.

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Speaker 3: Heather, I really don't understand why Chris Luxon is so unpopular.

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Speaker 3: I believe he's doing a great job and pulled a

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Speaker 3: really bad unit together. Bishop will be no more popular.

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Speaker 3: Erica may have the Justinda stardust, but excuse me, that's

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Speaker 3: just bs from us voters. Actually. Look, should we get

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Speaker 3: Are nineteen past.

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Speaker 1: Four Sport with tab bedlave with in play are eighteen

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine weekend Sport hosters within our high pony.

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Speaker 7: I could step aside if further examination is required hither

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Speaker 7: or you need the time, I'm quite happy to step aside.

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Speaker 3: No, I want to talk to you about what's going

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is quite a wholesale change in terms of

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Speaker 8: I think it was always going to happen.

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Speaker 7: The only doubt was whether after what happened at Twickenham,

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Speaker 8: An opportunity to atone.

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Speaker 7: And I think what they've obviously decided is that no,

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Speaker 7: a little bit annoyed too. So yeah, look, the upshot

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Speaker 7: is we've got a very fresh looking side. I don't

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Speaker 8: What will that tell us? Not too sure.

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Speaker 7: I think there'll still be some major questions to be

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Speaker 7: asked after raise his second year in charge.

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Speaker 3: Have you read Gregor Paul's piece which dropped about a

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Speaker 8: I the one about David Kirk's nuclear option is that.

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Speaker 3: The one quite and the nuclear option is that you

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Speaker 3: gas the Razor coaching team and you bring in Jamie Joseph.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that that is being talked about

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Speaker 8: Is it likely won't happen.

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Speaker 7: I rarely can't see a set of circumstances under which

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Speaker 7: This team that recently emerged from an eighteen game losing streak.

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Speaker 8: That's how bad Wales are.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, if they were to lose to Wales, we might

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Speaker 7: have that conversation. I just don't think they'll be brave

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Speaker 7: enough to pull that trigger. Midway through a World Cup cycle.

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Speaker 3: No, now it looks to me like Australia is not

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Speaker 3: Please hither, for goodness sake, will you and that washed

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Speaker 3: out Hootan pull your respective heads and hither you're wrong

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Speaker 3: Now here's here's the value in talking to Matthew Houston.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: Right to the UK. The COVID Inquiry has released its findings.

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Speaker 13: I can summarize my findings of the response as too little,

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Speaker 3: Over in the States, Trump has accused a group of

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Speaker 14: The threats to our constitution aren't just coming from a

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Speaker 8: Our laws are clear.

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Speaker 10: You can refuse illegal orders.

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Speaker 3: You can refuse illegal orders.

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Speaker 2: You must refuse illegal orders.

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Speaker 3: Trump responded to the video on truth social saying seditious

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Speaker 3: behavior punishable by death. And finally, the Italian Agriculture minister

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Speaker 3: a Belgian brand of Carbonara sauce. Now the source has

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Speaker 3: Charles Feldman, US correspondent with US Now High Charles, Hey,

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Speaker 3: how are you doing ya? I'm very well. You've ever

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Speaker 14: Trump did not support him during the mayoral race, and

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Speaker 3: How do you think it's going to go down there?

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Speaker 14: he will act accordingly. And you know, keep in mind

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Speaker 14: that Mandai got a pretty big vote popular vote in

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Speaker 14: New York City and pulled off quite a feat. He

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Speaker 14: was somebody that didn't have any name recognition, he didn't

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Speaker 14: have a lot of money to begin with, and yet

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Speaker 14: he managed to defeat people who were considered very seasoned politicians.

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Speaker 10: Trump is not a fool.

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Speaker 14: He's going to look at that as somebody who managed

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Speaker 14: to pull off something that was quite spectacular. And you know,

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Speaker 14: Trump is a hard in New Yorker, and I think

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Speaker 14: he's going to want to present himself as somebody who

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Speaker 14: does have New York's interests at height.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles, thank you very much for talking us through.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Charles Feldman, US correspondent, eighteen away from

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Speaker 3: five hither. Christa Watner has quit the Civil Aviation Authority.

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Speaker 3: Krista Watner is one of the cops that was just

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Speaker 3: under one of the letters, you know, like Officer A

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Speaker 3: or Officer B or whatever it was in the IPCA report.

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Speaker 3: Read the Gemmick skimming stuff. Now he'd already moved to

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Speaker 3: the CIA, he has now quit there. The CIA says

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Speaker 3: he's decided that it's best for him to step away

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Speaker 3: from his role to minimize any reputational impact on the

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Speaker 3: Civil Aviation Authority and the safety and security services We

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Speaker 3: provide Heather by assigning credibility to Matthew, who's in yourself

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Speaker 3: sabotaging your own credibility? Do you know what? I am

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Speaker 3: always slightly baffled by how visceral people get about talking

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Speaker 3: to the possible talk of like the talk of possibly

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Speaker 3: rolling a national party leader. Settle down. It's not your job,

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Speaker 3: it's their job. I mean, they are the ones who

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Speaker 3: should be upset about it. And just because you shout

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Speaker 3: at me on the texts and say you're wrong, doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean I'm wrong, does it? It doesn't make it go It

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Speaker 3: doesn't make it go away, does it?

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Speaker 11: Now?

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Speaker 3: Here we go. This is the quiz that Monty Betham,

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Speaker 3: Monty Beatham, Monty Panasa took and it came out surprisingly

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Speaker 3: stupid on I'm not gonna lie, okay, So this was

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Speaker 3: on what was it? Mastermind? He was asked this, okay,

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Speaker 3: at which sign of the zodiac is represented by a crab.

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Speaker 3: You know that it's the by the can it's the

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Speaker 3: cancer right, yeah, he goes scorpion. I don't even think

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Speaker 3: that's a sign of the zodiac anyway. That lord, what

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Speaker 3: is the title? He was asked what is the title

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Speaker 3: of Aa Miln's stage adaptation of Kenneth Graham's children novel

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Speaker 3: children's novel The Wind in the Willow? He went straight

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Speaker 3: to Harry Potter. It's not Harry Potter, obviously, it's Toad

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Speaker 3: of toad Hall, Which Asian island city state is served

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Speaker 3: by Changey International Airport. Now you know the answer to this.

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Speaker 3: It's Singapore. His answer Shanghai. Shanghai is not even an

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Speaker 3: island bait. Shall I find another one that's particular? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: this one's quite dumb. This one's quite dumb. In an

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Speaker 3: eighteen nineteen poem, what season of the year does Keats

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Speaker 3: describe as a season of mist and mellow fruitfulness? Now

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Speaker 3: the clues in season, So you've got four of them

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Speaker 3: you can choose from. You could go summer, you could

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Speaker 3: go autumn, winter, spring. The correct answer is obviously autumn,

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Speaker 3: he shouted out. Oliver Twist, Oh Monty What I love

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Speaker 3: about Monty is he doesn't mind. He's like, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: didn't do well, So what Barry Soapers next quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Here the Monty being dumbe is better than being a

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Speaker 3: cheap well, that is the point that Monty makes as well.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen away from five Barry Soaper Senior Political Correspondence with

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Speaker 3: that's hello Barry, Good afternoon here Paul Goldsmith's sledge.

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Speaker 16: Well, I've had a word to Goldie this afternoon. I'm

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Speaker 16: sure he won't mind me telling you this either that

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Speaker 16: he withdrew and apologized. Because I've never been a crack

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Speaker 16: record when it comes to leaders. But if you look

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Speaker 16: at over the years that I've seen a couple of

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Speaker 16: attempts and they both, funnily enough, are in the National Party.

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Speaker 16: There's Rob Muldoon years back that there was a force

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Speaker 16: gathering behind the scenes and they approached Brian Toolboys from

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Speaker 16: Southland to take over from Muldoon. That's when Muldoon's Rob's

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Speaker 16: Mob started and he went public and the public said

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Speaker 16: they didn't want to change in leader. And then Bulge

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Speaker 16: and Jenny Shipley. We know all about that. There's no

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Speaker 16: point in going into that. But look, this is what

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Speaker 16: gold he said this morning that so offended.

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Speaker 10: Me or respect of Matthew.

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Speaker 12: I mean, that's what he does for the last you know,

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Speaker 12: as long as I can remember, he's been writing columns

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Speaker 12: that the National leader is no good and they're going

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Speaker 12: to be rolled. That's what he does, saying with sober

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Speaker 12: that they're just that they seem to have a.

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Speaker 10: Stuck on the same record. Yeah, and Matthew.

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Speaker 16: Hohodon, Well, there's not telling a his story about leaders

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Speaker 16: being rolled. It was when Bill English was rolled in

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Speaker 16: after the two thousand and two dreadful election result for

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Speaker 16: the National Party. Then Don Brash took over and Paul

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Speaker 16: Holmes was interviewing me on radio on this Ferry station

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Speaker 16: and said to me, is he a dead man walking?

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Speaker 16: And I said, no, more like a twitching corpse. Well,

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Speaker 16: within minutes the phone went. Bill was on the phone

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Speaker 16: giving me what oh for what I had said on radio,

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Speaker 16: And I said, look, your time's up, Bill, it's going

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Speaker 16: to happen today. He said, you're rubbish. I've got the numbers.

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Speaker 16: I know, I've got the numbers. And I said, they

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Speaker 16: this is what they do. In leadership, they always tell

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Speaker 16: you they'll vote for you because they know to do

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Speaker 16: otherwise they may suffer the consequences further down the track.

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Speaker 16: And don't forget these votes are always secret vote, so

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Speaker 16: you never know where people are voting. But I don't

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Speaker 16: think it's going to come that with lux and I

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Speaker 16: think they will realize, those who may be talking about

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Speaker 16: it will realize that, Look, National would have a worse

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Speaker 16: chance of being re elected with the Luxeon not at

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Speaker 16: the helm.

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Speaker 3: So you think in the end they'll they'll they'll lose

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Speaker 3: their bottle.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't think they'll have the numbers in the end, frankly,

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Speaker 16: And I think what Chris lux should do is go

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Speaker 16: into the caucus on Tuesday. And so, look, there is

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Speaker 16: talk about this now, somebody's been talking to the media

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Speaker 16: and certainly they have been to me then.

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Speaker 3: To quell it for once in time flush them out.

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Speaker 3: Did Goldie deny that he'd heard the talk.

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Speaker 16: No, he basically he had heard people had been talking

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Speaker 16: about There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: I had heard people have been talking that, you know what,

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Speaker 3: that way was interesting this morning.

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Speaker 16: I don't know whether you heard our dear old friend

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Speaker 16: Winston Peters. He basically was asked whether what sort of

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Speaker 16: a job Chris Luxon was doing. He wasn't prepared to

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Speaker 16: commit to any in any way, give him a one

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Speaker 16: out of ten or whatever. But it was Peters himself

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Speaker 16: who came back to it after the interview had been

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Speaker 16: essentially wound up, and had this to say.

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Speaker 10: I'm giving a speech in the new year.

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Speaker 11: When the first quarter is known, I'll give you an

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Speaker 11: update about the state of the play. Then, unlike the rest,

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Speaker 11: I'll give my speech after the first quarter, the announcement

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Speaker 11: of the state of the economy, not in January, in Februar,

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Speaker 11: before he even got the information.

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Speaker 16: So he's playing his cards close to the chest. But

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Speaker 16: the thing is, if both Winston and David Seymour said

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Speaker 16: to the National Party you roll him, you're not going

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Speaker 16: to have coalition partners. That was certainly put it to death.

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Speaker 3: And they don't want, I mean especially doesn't want Luxeon.

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Speaker 10: To be rolled.

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't because if it worked out that Bishop

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Speaker 3: was better at the job, which is always a possibility,

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Speaker 3: then they may steal votes. The Nets may steal votes

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Speaker 3: back off New Zealand. First, what's going on between Winston

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Speaker 3: and David, is this a serious thing?

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Speaker 16: Well, look, you've got to look at the history of

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Speaker 16: these two before joining up with lux and Seymour called

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Speaker 16: Peter's the least trustworthy person in New Zealand politics, at

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Speaker 16: clown and a grandpa no shrinking violets. Peter held his own,

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Speaker 16: calling Seymour a colder puppet, an accidental mari and a

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Speaker 16: juhuahwah barking at every cat, human being or fellow dog

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Speaker 16: at that.

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Speaker 3: So that post they love each other.

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Speaker 16: They too love each other. But look, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 16: I haven't listened to them bristling about each other today.

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Speaker 11: Because we've done a best to fix it up. But

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Speaker 11: that sort of intervention in the democratic process is not

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Speaker 11: fit for a modern democracy. It was in the Coliston Agreement,

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Speaker 11: but we will campaign against it in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 17: Well, it's pretty worrying because that's Labour's position. It sounds

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Speaker 17: like he's getting ready to go with Labor again.

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Speaker 10: They'll make me laugh.

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Speaker 17: It's hard to know what he's trying to do from

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Speaker 17: one day to the next.

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Speaker 11: I'm making it very clear we'll we stand. We believe

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Speaker 11: in the fundamental principles of democracy and the paramountcy of Parliament,

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Speaker 11: not an unelected committee.

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Speaker 17: This is a landmark piece of legislation that X would

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Speaker 17: never vote to get rid of. So if he wants

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Speaker 17: to do that, he's got to go with labor.

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Speaker 16: And of course they were talking about the regulatory standards.

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Speaker 3: Estant, I have so many more questions about that. O'Day what,

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Speaker 3: let's let me we'll come back to it when we

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Speaker 3: wrete the political week at quarter past six Berry, So

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Speaker 3: for senior political correspondence correspondents seven away from five hither,

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Speaker 3: I think the constant talk of rolling the national leader

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Speaker 3: by you guys in the media is often why the

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Speaker 3: leaders get rolled. I mean, I think that that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what I was saying before. It can become a

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Speaker 3: self fulfilling prophecy. Count it four away from five. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Apparently the medical the DIY do it at home medical

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Speaker 3: tests that we often do, you know, the things like

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Speaker 3: the rat the rat kits in the pregnancy tests and

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Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, Apparently some of them are

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Speaker 3: no more accurate than flipping a coin. And this is

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Speaker 3: according to a paper in the New Zealand Medical Journal,

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Speaker 3: which says they perform some of them perform really poorly,

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Speaker 3: and it basically comes down to a lack of regulations.

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Speaker 3: There's no actual standard as to what you're allowed to

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Speaker 3: sell in New Zealand. We're going to talk to Luke Bradford,

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Speaker 3: who's the medical director at the Royal New Zealand College

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Speaker 3: of GPS to get him to give you his take.

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Speaker 3: He'll be with us after five. Almost forgot. I have

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Speaker 3: to guess. Guess who's back.

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Speaker 18: Well, I'm announcing that I'm standing for Labor in Mount

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Speaker 18: Roschal in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it's not that recognizable a voice, is it.

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Speaker 3: It's Michael Wood. Michael Wood is back.

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Speaker 18: Twenty twenty three was a very bruising experience that really

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Speaker 18: put me on the floor and I need to think

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Speaker 18: about whether it was right for me, whether it was

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Speaker 18: right for Labor.

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Speaker 3: Probably not. But he's doing it anyway now. If you

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Speaker 3: don't remember, he he lost his seat in the last

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Speaker 3: election after the drama about the shares that caused the

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Speaker 3: possible conflict of interest.

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Speaker 18: I have no sher portfolio now. Those shares so many

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Speaker 18: problems were sold. The proceeds were given to charity.

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Speaker 3: So Michael woodback. Now do you know why Michael woods Back.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to start another one, do I.

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Speaker 3: But Michael does fans and himself as a potential leader.

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Speaker 3: So that's why Michael woods Back. Anyway, speaking of leaders

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Speaker 3: let's do Matthew Howton next.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers, find the fact sack

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Speaker 1: and give the analysis. Hither duplicy el and drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news dogs.

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Speaker 3: Emp right, Good afternoon. The whiskers are getting louder about

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Speaker 3: Christopher Luxon's leadership nationally, MPs are talking about the possible

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Speaker 3: ability of rolling the Prime Minister. Mike Hosting asked Winston

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Speaker 3: Peters this morning whether raccoup was in the works.

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Speaker 11: They're not going to get me as I would love

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Speaker 11: to say, Oh, Winston Peter's have been involved in the

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Speaker 11: national fay leadship question. No, I'm not. You're not going

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Speaker 11: to get me or any of my colleagues involved in that.

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Speaker 11: We get on and do our job properly.

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Speaker 3: And then Winston made these comments about working in politics.

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Speaker 11: In the end, it's this politics is a complex business.

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Speaker 11: You've got to understand. You've got to have a neck,

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Speaker 11: you've got to be able to read the room and

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Speaker 11: hear the room. That's all I'm going to say.

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Speaker 3: Political commentator Matthew Houston has written a column today saying

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Speaker 3: a reshuffle is needed at the highest levels of government

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Speaker 3: and he's with us now him Matthew Good, Matthew, what

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Speaker 3: are the chances that he actually does get rolled?

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Speaker 19: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Time's running out this year, so you know, it's certainly

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Speaker 4: no more than fifty to fifty. And part of that

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Speaker 4: is because despite the National Party's poor polling in particular,

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Speaker 4: you know, you'd have to say that probably the current

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Speaker 4: coalition would be re elected won maybe two seats if

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Speaker 4: an election were held now, And so that makes the

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Speaker 4: idea of rolling the sitting Prime Minister an even bigger

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Speaker 4: decision than it would normally be.

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Speaker 3: Are you hearing that if they do decide to do it,

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Speaker 3: the most likely replacement is christ Bership? Yes, would Bishop

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Speaker 3: be better?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, if you look at the IPSOS data,

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Speaker 4: it's difficult to think anyone could do worse. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you've got a National Party that is behind labor on

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Speaker 4: the economy and the cost of living, for God's sake,

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Speaker 4: I mean, there has never been a more economically destructive

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Speaker 4: government in New Zealand's history than those last couple of

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Speaker 4: years of the adourn regime. Yet voters are saying that

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Speaker 4: this one's worse. Now that's not objectively even true, but

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Speaker 4: it's what it's how voters feel. And you know, when

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Speaker 4: you talk to senior ministers as you are, you have

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Speaker 4: as well they say, well, actually, we're doing a lot

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Speaker 4: of good stuff.

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Speaker 2: We are trying to.

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Speaker 4: Crack down on the supermarkets, the banks, the fuel companies.

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Speaker 4: Where we're building roads, We've got an infrastructure pipeline, we're

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Speaker 4: re forming the RMA. We don't curriculum reform, you know.

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Speaker 4: But it's just that these things all just look disjointed

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Speaker 4: and discombobulated, you know. And so therefore it starts to

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Speaker 4: look as if the problem really is one of communication

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Speaker 4: and not leadership of the government. I mean, Christoph Luckson,

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Speaker 4: when you go through his cabinet, he has put the

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Speaker 4: people in the right roles. Probably he has stopped all

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Speaker 4: the in fighting. I mean, he would have made an

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Speaker 4: outstanding chief of staff to a prime minister. But where

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Speaker 4: he is clearly failing and always has failed, is on

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Speaker 4: the question of national leadership. He's not just the leader

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Speaker 4: of the National Party, the leader of the government, the

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Speaker 4: chair of Cabinet. This job is leader of the country

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Speaker 4: and the vote is the same. They don't see him

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Speaker 4: as performing in that area.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, do you want to name some names about

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Speaker 3: who's involved with this?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 4: Because I have talked I imagine to the same people

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Speaker 4: you have talked to, and there's all sorts of you

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Speaker 4: hear different things from different people. You know, I heard

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Speaker 4: yesterday your disagreement with Barry very sober over the over

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Speaker 4: whether this was happening, and this Paul Goldsmith's comments this morning.

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Speaker 4: If you talk to different MPs you're here. Look, it's

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Speaker 4: completely untenable that this guy is there by Christmas. We've

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Speaker 4: got to get rid of him right through to we've

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Speaker 4: got to stick with him right through to he's going

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Speaker 4: to radically reshuffle his cabinet right through to there's going

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Speaker 4: to be a big policy announcement to reset the government.

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Speaker 20: You know.

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Speaker 4: So there's not a clear picture of what's happening, but

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Speaker 4: what except for they're all talking about it in ways

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Speaker 4: which are dissatisfied, and I think there's a stand I

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Speaker 4: don't think, as I outlined in the Herald column. I

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Speaker 4: don't think he can reshuffle his cabinet in a meaningful

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Speaker 4: way for various reasons. And I think that the Caucus

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Speaker 4: of National pay just isn't quite ready to move against him.

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Speaker 4: So I think probably, to go back to your very

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Speaker 4: first question, I think most probably the limp on to

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Speaker 4: Christmas roughly as they are now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Matthew, Thank you very much. Matthew, who's your political commentator.

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Speaker 3: So it might not happen, but they're definitely thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: Twelve past five.

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Speaker 2: Ever, dup see Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The government's facing court action over the current situation with

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Speaker 3: the transgender athletes, inclusion and community sport. Now you'll remember

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Speaker 3: what's gone on here. Sport New Zealand released some guidelines

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Speaker 3: about how sporting organizations could include transgender people. Then they

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Speaker 3: withdrew those guidelines after they were told to by Minister

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Speaker 3: Mark Mitchell. Auckland Pride has now filed for a judicial review.

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Speaker 3: Been good serves from Auckland Pride High Ben Hi, how's

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Speaker 3: it going? Very good? Thank you? What are you hoping

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Speaker 3: might happen after this court action?

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Speaker 15: What we're really hoping for is that the Minister will

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Speaker 15: have a serious look at this and consider his obligations

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Speaker 15: under the law, which is the Human Rights Act, and

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Speaker 15: what Sports and Z is expected to achieve in terms

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Speaker 15: of including everyone in community sports in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: So practical outcome would be that you would hope that

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Speaker 3: transgender athletes will be reincluded.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, transgender athletes should be included in community sport because

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Speaker 15: community sport is for the whole community. But actually these

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Speaker 15: guidelines are what local sporting organizations have been asking for

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Speaker 15: and did ask for when they were developed, because local

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Speaker 15: sports organizations and the volunteers who run sports across our

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Speaker 15: country every weekend want just practical tips to make sure

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Speaker 15: that everyone in their communities can be involved.

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Speaker 3: Has the withdrawal of the guidelines lead to effectively transgender

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Speaker 3: athletes being excluded or is it still up to the

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Speaker 3: sporting organizations to make up their minds.

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Speaker 15: Ultimately, it is up to every sporting organization to work

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Speaker 15: through this. But taking away the guidelines as a tool

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Speaker 15: one means that it's harder for the volunteers who are

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Speaker 15: running sports to get good answers and to help send

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Speaker 15: a message to trans people that they're included. And also

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Speaker 15: it sends a message from the government that they don't

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Speaker 15: think that inclusion of trans and rabo communities should be

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Speaker 15: a priority, and we just don't agree with that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, obviously had a call this week from

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Speaker 3: the government on the puberty blockers. What do you make

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Speaker 3: of that?

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Speaker 15: Again, we think that this is just another case of

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Speaker 15: the government riding roughshod over the Human Rights Act and

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Speaker 15: making decisions that aren't based on the evidence and aren't

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Speaker 15: based on considerations of what is the human right of

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Speaker 15: trans people to have good healthcare and to make decisions

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Speaker 15: with their doctors about their healthcare.

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Speaker 3: All right, Ben, thanks very much, appreciate it. I've been good.

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Speaker 3: So from Auckland.

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Speaker 2: Pride, Heather do for CILA.

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Speaker 3: Heather, what charity did Michael Wan donate to? Can he

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Speaker 3: prove that he gave his shares to the charity? Heather

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Speaker 3: proceeds to charity? Show us the receipts. What twaddle from

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Speaker 3: Reese that goes on like that. I would agree with that. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean you can't like if Michael would actually matter,

795
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Speaker 3: I would ask him for the receipts. But it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I appreciate your level of cynicism and skepticism

797
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Speaker 3: about this quarter past hither OMG. I'd like to know

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Speaker 3: who these voters are who think National and Chris Luxen

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Speaker 3: are doing worse than Labour last term. I mean, the

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Speaker 3: lesson from this is that voters have very short memories,

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Speaker 3: don't they? Eighteen past five? Now, it turns out the

802
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Speaker 3: old DIY pregnancy tests and rat kits for the COVID

803
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Speaker 3: may be no more accurate than a coin toss. An

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Speaker 3: article out today in the New Zealand Medical Journal warns

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Speaker 3: that many of these rapid tests are unregulated, with one

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Speaker 3: test giving false negatives eighty eight percent of the time.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Luke Bradford is the medical director at the Royal

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Speaker 3: New Zealand College of GPS.

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Speaker 6: Hi Luke, Hi, Heather, how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you if you come across this.

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Speaker 6: I've had certainly seen a huge increase in people accessing

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Speaker 6: these sort of over the counter self tests, and it's

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Speaker 6: going to increase even further. It's massive now in Australia

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Speaker 6: and the UK, and so there is a bit of

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Speaker 6: concern when some of them are just not tested or

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Speaker 6: regulated and we don't know how accurate they are.

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Speaker 3: Okay, have you, I mean, have you ever seen a

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Speaker 3: case where somebody has come in sworn black and blue

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Speaker 3: that they've got COVID because the test shows and they don't,

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Speaker 3: or somebody who's come in and said that they're I

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Speaker 3: don't know, not pregnant than they are.

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Speaker 6: There's certainly some cases with the yearine pregnancy tests, which

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Speaker 6: in very very early pregnancy, when they'll be negative and

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Speaker 6: it turns out that they are positive when you run

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Speaker 6: a blood Wow. But but the paper that came out

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Speaker 6: today is sort of found two or three cases of

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Speaker 6: different pregnancy tests kits over the years that have proven

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Speaker 6: to be inaccurate. I think the concern was it's just

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Speaker 6: an example that if they're coming in and you're getting

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Speaker 6: whole products that aren't accurate, then we've got some people

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Speaker 6: who are going to be having some misleading results.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically it needs to be regulated, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of these tests? You ever come

834
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Speaker 3: across these ones? You can get them at the supermarket

835
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Speaker 3: pharmacies where you know, you stick the thing up your

836
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Speaker 3: nose and you do the test, and then you can

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Speaker 3: find out if you've got flu A or flu B

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Speaker 3: or RSV or COVID. Do you rate that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, they're really useful today alone, I've diagnosed a

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Speaker 6: baby with respiratory sin city or virus on that and

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Speaker 6: a kid with a flu a off it. So they

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Speaker 6: are pretty good. But again we want to make sure

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Speaker 6: that they're accurate. Yeah, we want to make sure people

844
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Speaker 6: are getting told that they have got it or haven't

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Speaker 6: got it correctly. And so when you get the stuff

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Speaker 6: you can buy off fally Express, et cetera, it isn't

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Speaker 6: tested or and no recourse on it. That's a worry. Hey.

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Speaker 3: What is the value though in actually knowing whether you've

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Speaker 3: got flu, a flub or coviduo Exactly the same?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, but first of all, it tells you

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Speaker 6: likely don't need antibiotics. Oh yeah, it also around some

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Speaker 6: of that contagion control. I mean, flu is pretty deadly. Still,

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Speaker 6: we do want to keep away from vulnerable people and

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Speaker 6: we've got the flu, so that that's a worthwhile thing.

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Speaker 6: RSV is different advice, and that's on the same squad.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, swab.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, cool. Look, I really appreciate it, Luke Bradford,

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Speaker 3: Royal New Zealand College of GP practic GP's medical director.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't come across those ones, I rate it.

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Speaker 3: But that's just a peace of mind thing, right, because

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Speaker 3: I've got little kids, so it's quite handy to know

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Speaker 3: what you're dealing with when you get something through the

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Speaker 3: house and you do I'm sticking it up their noses.

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Speaker 3: A bit of a hassle, isn't it. But you do

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Speaker 3: that and then you know you flu a or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Then you know, oh Lord, here we go. That's a

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Speaker 3: week of it. It's sort of it's quite helpful just

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Speaker 3: to kind of map it out in your head. I suppose, Hey,

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Speaker 3: cool news for you. Harbor Bridge is going to be

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Speaker 3: clogged up again with the protest in Auckland again tomorrow.

871
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: This time it's going to be a fishing convoy protest.

872
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: A bunch of recreational fishes are opposed to an act

873
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 3: about the Hodarky Golf, which has already passed and become

874
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: an act. So it's a bit late to be having

875
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: the protest, but they're doing it anyway, and they're going

876
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: to be towing everything. They're driving. Thirty k's coming across

877
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: the harbor Bridge. Police are going to watch. I sort

878
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: of I don't love it, and I sort of would

879
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: love people who want to do protests to maybe just

880
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: like not try to wind the rest of us up,

881
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: because I don't think it helps the cause. Five to

882
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: twenty one, cutting.

883
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: Through the noise to get the facts.

884
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duficcy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

885
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

886
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: They'd be lunch in the cricket. This is the ASHES

887
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: four for one hundred and five. We've got the sportshuddle

888
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: of us. Shortly we have a chat to them about it.

889
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 3: It's twenty four past five.

890
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 5: Now.

891
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: Look, I can't say that I'm terribly hopeful about the

892
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: news this morning that the police may press charges over

893
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: Pike River, only because we've seen this news before, haven't we.

894
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: I mean, let's do the comparison. This is today's headline.

895
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: Lawyer for Pike River Families says police have enough evidence

896
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 3: to lay manslaughter charges. This is the headline from March

897
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: tenh twenty twenty two, three years ago. Lawyer for families

898
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: now confident manslaughter prosecution will be pursued by police. Well,

899
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: he said it three years ago, he's saying it again today.

900
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 3: What's happened in the last three years. If Nigel Hampton

901
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: was confident three years ago, why hasn't it happened yet,

902
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: and what's changed since then to make it actually happen now?

903
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: Now I don't think I mean. I think Nigel Hampton

904
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: does mean well here. I think he's trying to put

905
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: pressure on the decision makers to just make the decision

906
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: and lay the charges. But I do worry there's a

907
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: part of me that worries that he may be giving

908
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: false hope here. Don't get me wrong, though, I do

909
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: think if they've got the evidence, I would like to

910
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 3: see them go ahead and lay the charges because I've

911
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: never been able to shake the feeling that something funny

912
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: has gone on here. The payment to the families in

913
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: exchange for dropping the charges against Peter Whittle, the rush

914
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: to seal the mine, the fact that because the mind

915
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 3: wasn't sealed, the cops were then able to actually recover

916
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: evidence that the otherwise would not have been able. To

917
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: the fact that it took years for police finally to

918
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: drill the ball holes and then they look through the

919
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: ball holes and what there are the human remains that

920
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: the families wanted to find. That all made me feel

921
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 3: real weird about it. I think there's quite a clear

922
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: public interest in taking this to court, to settle the

923
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: question of whether someone should have been held responsible. I

924
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: would say to the point that even if the case

925
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: is a little flimsier than police would like it to be,

926
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Speaker 3: even if they would otherwise not press charges because they

927
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: can't be sure that it would succeed, I think the

928
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: public interest dictates they should go ahead and do it,

929
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: because sometimes it's just as important to see justice being done,

930
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: as you know, the hope that justice will actually lead

931
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: to charges or convictions. But as I say, I am

932
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 3: not hopeful here because, like you, I've read this headline.

933
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: Before, here the duplessy Ellen.

934
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: Hey, here is something really interesting, right, Greg? Did you know?

935
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: Here's the question, did you know that Raser is not

936
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: actually the head coach of the All Blacks? No, me neither.

937
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: So greeg Or Paul at the Herald has written a

938
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: piece which dropped and I talked Piney about it just

939
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: before it dropped about two o'clock this afternoon, so three

940
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 3: and a half hours ago. In this piece he explains

941
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: that Scott Robertson is not actually the coach of the

942
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: All Blacks. Scott Hanson, his assistant coach, is really the

943
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: coach of the All Blacks. Razer describes himself as a

944
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: culture coach. He thinks he's responsible, well, he says, I

945
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: mean he is. He is responsible for theming campaigns, for

946
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: communicating one on one with players to manage their expectations

947
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: and their career progression, and the traditional duties that you

948
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: would associate with being the head coach. That's not carried

949
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: out by Raiser, that's carried out by Scott Hansen. Now

950
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: does this beg the question? Because I because look, even

951
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 3: even the biggest Razor fans, and I would consider myself

952
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: a Raiser fan, even the biggest Razor fans have to

953
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: know how after two seasons be reasonably disappointed in what's

954
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: happened with the All Blacks And they're a winning record, right,

955
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: I mean, let's just call it for what it is,

956
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: a massive disappointment at this stage. Is it a disappointment? Though?

957
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: Because Raiser is not actually the one coaching them and

958
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: some other chap called Scott Hanson is the one. Is

959
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: maybe that the problem is that why the All Blacks

960
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: aren't doing that well? Anyway? I also feel like a

961
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: little bit duped by this to you. I mean, I

962
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: hear I was all really excited about the breakdowns of

963
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: being the coach, but turns out he's not. It's as

964
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: short mate to us. Anyway. We'll talk to the sports

965
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: huddle about this. But what I'm keen to know is

966
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: if everybody knew that this was the case, and I'm

967
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: the only person who finds this surprising, they were with us.

968
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Next hard questions, strong opinion, Hi, the dup sell and

969
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

970
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: mobile can U s talks?

971
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: It'd be.

972
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 10: Do we care?

973
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: Do we still care? Who's one Miss Universe? We can

974
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 3: Mexico has one Missuniverse? Why? That's slightly interesting? Well done?

975
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: Well done? Mexico like definitely a country full of hot

976
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: women and kind of average men. Actually, some Mexican men

977
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: are quite handsome. To be honest, Lord, what am I

978
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: doing just passing comment on an entire nation? Like there

979
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: is like one I mean, let's be honest about lot.

980
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm definitely dogging a whole now, aren't I Some countries

981
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: are hotter than other countries, aren't they? Like French ladies

982
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: are really hot. Yeah, nobody says that about New Zealand ladies,

983
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: do they? We just were just right at the bottom

984
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: of the pile. Anyway, the reason that it's interesting that

985
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: she's won is because she walked out on the organizers

986
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: and allegied abuse and stuff, and then she's taken it out.

987
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: So well done her. Anyway. I'll tell you what we

988
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: do actually care about is the AI stocks. The rally

989
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: that we had yesterday appears to have been a little

990
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: short lived, so it went down and then up and

991
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: then down again. Today Benchmark S and P five hundred

992
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: is closed down when six Dow Jones Industrial Averages closed

993
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: down zero point eight, Nasdak Composite closed down two point two.

994
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: I will talk to Mark Lister of Craigs about that,

995
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on with the AI stocks.

996
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 3: He'll be with us after six o'clock. It is twenty

997
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: three away from.

998
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: Six the Friday Sports Hurdle with New Zealand Suburby's International Realty,

999
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: a name you can trust locally and globally.

1000
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: There's so much good stuff that we did out there.

1001
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 21: We're just didn't take advantage job at James Swings too

1002
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 21: so quickly.

1003
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 16: We know what chessboard is, test football is like, and

1004
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 16: you just needed to finish.

1005
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 22: More so far as to say that what they've achieved

1006
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 22: in the past few months stands as one of the

1007
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 22: most resilient displays we've ever seen from a Silver Fern squad.

1008
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: Who have you in the room is seen mastermind and

1009
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: Monty Panasar on that those of you haven't do yourself

1010
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 5: a favor because it's pretty comical.

1011
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: On the sports titled Me this evening, we have Paul

1012
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 3: Allison News Talks he'd be rugby commentator and Hamish Mackai

1013
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: Goldsport Rugby commentsator. Hello you too, Okay, Paul, is isn't

1014
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: a surprise to you, Paul, because I'm surprised to find

1015
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 3: out Razor is not actually the head coach of the

1016
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 3: All Blacks.

1017
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 20: Well, he is head coach in terms of official title,

1018
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 20: but in terms of what role he plays it may

1019
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 20: be more of a managerial oversight role. I know that

1020
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 20: with the Crusaders he was the guy that was the

1021
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 20: inspiration and the motivation. I don't know if he was

1022
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 20: a tactical, technical person that did so much hands on coaching.

1023
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 20: And that's what we're hearing out of your Black camp.

1024
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 13: Now.

1025
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 3: This is a great woo woo. I don't like this.

1026
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 20: Well, well, I mean that's the way it's been. They've

1027
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 20: got so many coaches in there. I think they actually

1028
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 20: got themselves confused about how many they need. I was

1029
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 20: in Argentina earlier this year and they warmed up and

1030
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 20: there was about fifty of the all Black squad players, coaches, officials,

1031
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 20: and support crew on the field. You looked across the

1032
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 20: other side and Argentina had about two thirds that amount,

1033
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 20: and you just sort of wonder what the number of

1034
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 20: people that got in there, whether or not they're actually

1035
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 20: getting a bit confused. And I mean we've had a

1036
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 20: few drop away ley on McDonald's dropped away Jason Hollins

1037
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 20: about the fallout of the mix. You go back though

1038
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 20: two years either when we get back to what was

1039
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 20: a July twenty twenty two when John Pluntree and Brad

1040
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 20: Maher exited and Jason Ryan and Joe Smith came in,

1041
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 20: and you might say then that Ian Foster wasn't necessarily

1042
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 20: the head coach either, that some of the lieutenants were

1043
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 20: doing a lot of the bulk work. And I just

1044
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 20: wonder whether the same sort of thing might be happening here.

1045
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: Now, what's your take on this?

1046
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 19: Iss Well, I'd just like to say, if we're going

1047
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 19: to compare with all durispects got hands into Joe Smith,

1048
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 19: then we might will give up now. And the reality

1049
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 19: is there that with Joe Schmidt back then in twenty

1050
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 19: twenty two, he was given, in my understanding, carte blanche

1051
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 19: to go and suss out what was going on. And

1052
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 19: had he wanted to work with Rais of Robertson, which

1053
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 19: he clearly didn't, he would have he would have made

1054
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 19: that call then and there, and he and the Foster

1055
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 19: wouldn't have taken the all backs through to a very

1056
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 19: near victory in twenty twenty three. You know here on

1057
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 19: their chiny Chin Chin lost to South Africa, got past

1058
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 19: that great Irish side. Look, I don't know. I mean,

1059
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 19: as far as I'm concerned, the only way we can

1060
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 19: look at this is that Raiser Robinson is the gaffer.

1061
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 19: He's come through on popular vote. You know, Bula, I'm

1062
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 19: off to Fiji if you don't pick me now, I'm

1063
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 19: off to coach England. Not that England knew anything about it.

1064
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 19: So he's got everything to answer for here and he's

1065
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 19: the gaffer. He's responsible. McDonald's left. Hollins left because he

1066
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 19: just doesn't have any power or any say and doesn't

1067
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 19: want to be ultimately tarnished by this brush. So there's

1068
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 19: big it's about to be some serious quick.

1069
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 20: Uestions are what's the chance that they put out an

1070
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 20: SOS to the professor, the man that fixes it all

1071
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 20: and Wayne Smith? They bought him in just before the

1072
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 20: Test match against South Africa at Eden Park to retain

1073
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 20: that outstanding record. He seems to fix everything else that

1074
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 20: he's come in and had a fingerprint or a handful over.

1075
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 20: And you just wonder whether or not he might get

1076
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 20: an SOS call over the summer months to say can

1077
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 20: you come in and spend some time with the All

1078
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 20: Blacks in early twenty twenty six.

1079
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: Is he looking for a full time job pool Because

1080
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: I've got one thing.

1081
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 20: No, I don't think so, No, not. I don't think

1082
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 20: he will age in stage. He's sixty eight now, he's

1083
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 20: been there, done that, done everything else. But I think

1084
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 20: he might just come in and maybe have the occasional

1085
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 20: word or two and point them in the right direction

1086
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 20: because at the moment the All Blacks they talked at

1087
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 20: the start of the season when Raiser named his team

1088
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 20: that they are going to play a wide, open, running,

1089
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 20: entertaining brand of rugby. Well they haven't been able to

1090
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 20: execute on that this year, to play the stop start game.

1091
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 20: They've been inconsistent. Not the only nation in the world

1092
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 20: to be inconsistent, but they haven't really unleashed the talent

1093
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 20: that we all thought that they might do this year,

1094
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 20: and they've been a little bit disappointing. They haven't kicked on.

1095
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 20: So they're still where they were three or four months ago.

1096
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 20: In my opinion. You might look back and say, Okay,

1097
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 20: Razor has bought nineteen new players in since he's been

1098
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 20: in that role, but the development of them on the

1099
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 20: paddock doesn't appear out from my eyes anyhow to really

1100
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 20: have made that much of a positive progress.

1101
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 19: Yeah, okay, Now I just wondered very quickly with it,

1102
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 19: where it's more desperation than nineteen players that have come in,

1103
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 19: and to the lost to England, the loss of South

1104
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 19: Africa to Argentina, and we did get a get lucky

1105
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 19: card against Scotland. They're just things that need to be answered.

1106
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 19: I think the best solution would be a clean out

1107
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 19: and Jamie Joseph. Then we can't get Tony Brown. That's

1108
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 19: a shame, but we won't go again them.

1109
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1110
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 19: Out of that contract.

1111
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 3: Are you suggesting how is that we knew could raizor

1112
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: team altogether?

1113
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 19: Yeah? I do. I'm suggesting we go Jamie Joseph with

1114
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 19: and I love Paul's idea about the Professor and maybe

1115
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 19: just maybe Joe now that he's sort of come to

1116
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 19: the hard yards for him now the Walla it might

1117
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 19: be involved. If I had Jamie, Joseph, Wayne Smith and

1118
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 19: Joseph Smith, I would go around town and start an

1119
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 19: investment signed and banket on the All Blacks winning the

1120
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 19: next World Cup without them.

1121
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: No, Okay, Well, has he lost his mind? Or is

1122
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: this actually sensible?

1123
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 20: I think there's a merit and what Kamish is saying,

1124
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 20: but the chance of it happening, I think I see

1125
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 20: the pigs flying past the window at the moment.

1126
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: Kirk, Paul doesn't, doesn't doesn't David Kirk have the k

1127
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: to make tough decisions like he's a do it guy.

1128
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 20: Well, they're still got a board that's settling into their

1129
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 20: new role, to be fair, and whether or not they're

1130
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 20: prepared to make these hard decisions right now or not,

1131
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 20: I mean, let's not just push the emergency exit just yet.

1132
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 20: But what we've seen so far has been unconvincing. Now

1133
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 20: whether they can turn that around. They'll do an in

1134
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 20: depth review like they always do at the end of

1135
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 20: the season, and we'll see if there's something more to

1136
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 20: it than what they're actually that we we don't know

1137
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 20: about from where we're looking from where we are from

1138
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 20: a distance, from outside of the camp. If it's an

1139
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 20: unhappy camp inside, if there's no continuity, if there's a

1140
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 20: bit of unrest, there's no direction. If that's the case,

1141
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 20: maybe there'll be some changes, but I think it'll be

1142
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 20: a hard core because from my understanding, Raids has been

1143
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 20: appointed for four years. Let's see what happens.

1144
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: Well paid them out before and we all right, lads

1145
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 3: will take a break, come back very shortly. It's seventeen

1146
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 3: away from.

1147
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,320
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1148
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,960
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1149
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Speaker 3: Okay back with the sports tittle, Hamus Makay, Paul Allison

1150
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: now Hamish. One of the things that's probably got outsized

1151
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: media attention this week has been the Breakers and the

1152
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 3: Pride Round. I'm not sure Pride rounds do anybody any good.

1153
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: I think that's the fault. Well, that's the problem, right there.

1154
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: What do you think?

1155
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 19: Yeah, I don't understand the Yeah, look I kind of

1156
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 19: get the thinking, but I don't understand the implementation or

1157
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 19: why it clearly makes some players feel uncomfortable. The league

1158
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 19: has a guideline, the NBL, but it's voluntary participation, so

1159
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 19: it is your choice. So they're not doing anything to

1160
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 19: step away from that. Naturally, your sponsors, I guess B

1161
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 19: and Z in this case pretty big won't be too happy. Look,

1162
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 19: so look, look it is a tricky one. I think

1163
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 19: the point is it's not yet possibly wipe Bob. Is

1164
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 19: there not better ways that we can support our the community,

1165
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 19: the wider pride community.

1166
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean do you even need to write your point?

1167
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 3: What you're doing, Paul is you're playing basketball, So just

1168
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: go on with that, play basketball and be nice to people,

1169
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 3: and surely that's enough.

1170
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 20: Yeah, this is about wearing the Pride flag on your

1171
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 20: shirts or your jerseys, And I guess I think individual

1172
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 20: players still have the right to say whether they feel

1173
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 20: uncomfortable in that environment or not. And what the break

1174
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 20: is it done? Like the Ken's Taipans did a couple

1175
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 20: of years ago, we're saying we don't want to hang

1176
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 20: anybody out to drive by their own personal opinions. We'll

1177
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 20: take it as a team decision. Yeah, I'm a bit

1178
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 20: like you, guys. I actually don't know if there's a

1179
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 20: real need for this to be a promotion across all

1180
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 20: teams in the sport over a particular weekend. So yeah,

1181
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 20: I know the sponsor being zaid saying hey, we don't agree,

1182
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 20: and two degrees have gone a bit quiet on it.

1183
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 20: There's also another sponsor, but I'm just not sure. It's

1184
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 20: a bit of a strange run for me. And I

1185
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 20: think players should have the ability they've been picked to

1186
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 20: wear a jersey. They shouldn't have to be imposed by

1187
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 20: saying you have to wear a Pride flag on your

1188
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 20: jersey for this particular game. They should have that individual choice,

1189
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 20: and the breakers have made a team decision. So yeah,

1190
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 20: I'm okay with where they're at to be fair, Yeah.

1191
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: Me too. Actually, listen, do you think Elie Katoa is

1192
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: ever going to play rugby league again?

1193
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 19: I hope not, and I mean that in the nicest

1194
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 19: possible way. I mean, look, I know there are Marie Martin,

1195
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 19: there's some examples of taking time out for a few years.

1196
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 19: It'll be a few years away. Oh gee, I just

1197
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 19: hope that you know, like I don't know what it is.

1198
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 19: Can we do a give a little page to say,

1199
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Speaker 19: please don't play, you know, please please please please be around.

1200
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 19: I was a teammate of a guy in nineteen eighty

1201
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 19: two in Auckland. The guy a lovely guy by the

1202
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 19: name of John tullum of Io from Partmers Northwoys High

1203
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 19: and he got double concussion in one day playing league

1204
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 19: in Auckland, went home, laid down his cats couch and died.

1205
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 19: And you know, years forty odd years years later, I

1206
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 19: think about him all the time and it was a

1207
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 19: very similar thing a long time ago.

1208
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 12: I know.

1209
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 19: But he two hit knocks on one day, so you know,

1210
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 19: I can't I can't see it happening. I don't want

1211
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 19: it to happen. It would be detestable if he was

1212
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 19: encouraged to play.

1213
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: Also, I mean, Paul, if you've had brain surgery, right,

1214
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: that's not a normal life events it.

1215
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 20: No, it's not. I mean, I know he's devastated that

1216
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 20: he's been ruled out of the twenty twenty sixth season

1217
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 20: and he's only twenty five years at age, but this

1218
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 20: could have been as haamous quite right, he said, he

1219
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 20: could have actually died in the situation. So let's see

1220
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 20: him getting back to full health, not necessarily back onto

1221
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 20: the field of play, which will be devastating for him.

1222
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 20: But he's in the hands of the doctors and the

1223
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 20: medical experts. Let's hope you can live a very full

1224
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 20: and healthy life from here through after what he's been through,

1225
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 20: which is really life threatening.

1226
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, Hamish, did you realize that Monty pan us

1227
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: I was as done as he is.

1228
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 19: Yeah, well, I know that. He said that Oliver Twist

1229
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 19: is a weather in Germany, had a Brazilian beauty queen.

1230
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 19: I mean, you are a Mexican.

1231
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: You're you go here, here we go.

1232
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: He mus listen to this, Okay, this is one of

1233
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: the questions he got wrong. In which city is the

1234
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: television comedy series Cheers set like an.

1235
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 20: Answer that it's America.

1236
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 19: Oh, you're a man, Paulson, I've always said that.

1237
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 20: I've always said that, Harry Pottle of the Answer to

1238
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 20: the AA and Adoption of Wind and Willows.

1239
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 3: What about this one? What is the title of the

1240
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: first volume of C. S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia to

1241
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: be published chronologically. It follows the magician's nephew, so c Lewis.

1242
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 20: It's been hilarious. I'm actually had to go back and

1243
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 20: watch Mastermind. This has been one of the highlights for

1244
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 20: me for the week watching it on YouTube. In terms

1245
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 20: of questions he actually got wrong. I mean, I think

1246
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 20: you would be lucky to get his name right and

1247
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 20: that master Mind question.

1248
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: To be fair, do you think though? This is what

1249
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: I think? Well, I reckon what happened is because this

1250
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 3: happens to me. If you ask me, if you did

1251
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: a Mastermind thing on me, I would completely freeze, Like

1252
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 3: I freeze under the pressure of a question like that.

1253
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 3: If I was sitting next to you and you were

1254
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,479
Speaker 3: getting asked it, I could answer all the questions because

1255
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: I'm not under pressure, and I just feel like that's

1256
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: what happened to him, and we're being unfair. What do

1257
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 3: you think?

1258
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 20: Oh, I'm still laughing at how bizarre his answers were.

1259
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: Here we go, Come on, I'm waiting for you to

1260
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: answer one. You haven't answered one. In Which city is

1261
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: the Olympia Stadium, built for the nineteen seventy two Olympics

1262
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: and where Germany's national football team played international matches until

1263
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: two thousand and one eathen Yep, correct happens in Germany. Brilliant. Anyway, listen,

1264
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: you guys, go and watch the ashes. It looks like

1265
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: it's a fantastic test to really appreciate your time, both

1266
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 3: of you. Hey, miss Mackay, Paul Allison. Good So those

1267
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: boys sports huddle eight away from six.

1268
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1269
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

1270
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: Heather, I'm a score po and I know it does

1271
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 3: exist as a star, soign oh it does.

1272
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 5: Two.

1273
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean here I am having a crack at Monty

1274
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: for being done. But you know, if the shoe fits.

1275
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: By the way, listen on the matter of the pride thing,

1276
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 3: I think this is really worthwhile de drawing this to

1277
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 3: your attention. Alice Soper, who yes is yep family. Alice

1278
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 3: has written a piece. She writes a lot about rugby

1279
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 3: and stuff, and she's part of the Rainbow community. She's

1280
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 3: written a piece saying, regardless of the decision of the

1281
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 3: Breakers team, I just don't like proud rounds and sports.

1282
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: To me, they are to sports what International Women's Day

1283
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 3: is to business. Cupcakes at morning tea is not going

1284
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 3: to solve structural sexism. Nor will a rainbow jersey undo

1285
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 3: a culture of homophobia. It's simply a way to be

1286
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: seen to be having a conversation while leaving the most

1287
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 3: important part left unseaid, which is basically another way of

1288
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 3: saying what they're doing at the NBL is rainbow washing. No,

1289
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 3: it's pointless and it's backfired five away from six. Now

1290
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 3: this is interesting. So Todd Stevenson of the Act Party

1291
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: has decided to take a unique approach to campaigning against

1292
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 3: Labour's capital gains tax. He's done a quote scary bedtime

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Speaker 3: story called the Little Tax That grew.

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Speaker 23: Once upon a time, in a sunny little country at

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Speaker 23: the bottom of the world, a tiny.

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Speaker 10: Tax was born.

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Speaker 23: It was a very small capital gains tax, so small

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Speaker 23: people barely noticed him.

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Speaker 2: I'm just a little tax that chipped.

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Speaker 10: I only livel on things that you don't.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, with like with a good kiddy story,

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Speaker 3: it starts off really nice and then it has a

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Speaker 3: dark twist.

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Speaker 23: The little tax only giggled because now it could reach

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Speaker 23: things it couldn't reach before. It stretched up like a

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Speaker 23: bean scork. It grew branches like a greedy oak. Soon

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Speaker 23: its shaded savings businesses, Kiwi Saver Farms and even the family.

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Speaker 3: Bat and obviously all kids stories have a life.

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Speaker 23: Lesson Little tax by now was not so little, it's mild,

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Speaker 23: and said, you've got to be careful with what you've planted.

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Speaker 23: Acorns grow and taxes do too, and that's why in

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Speaker 23: the Sunny Little Country people learned a simple lesson, never

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Speaker 23: planted tax You don't want growing into a giant you

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Speaker 23: can't control.

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Speaker 3: Not pet I consider myself something of a connoisseur of

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Speaker 3: a children's book at the moment. I I don't want

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Speaker 3: to boast, but I read them every single bloody day.

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Speaker 3: It's quite a good I think that what I would

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Speaker 3: say to Todd. It must be a while since Todd's

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Speaker 3: had kids, But you've got to really slow that rhythm

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Speaker 3: down for the children. You got to like over, you

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: got to go oh, like, you need to get that

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Speaker 3: Cadence sing.

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Speaker 24: I thought he could also have put on a character

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01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 24: voice when he was playing the tax as well, like,

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 24: you know, you kind of need to throw a few different.

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Speaker 3: You have to like really color that up for the kids.

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Speaker 3: So I reckon, when who's that guy who did the

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Speaker 3: go the Ft to Sleep book?

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Speaker 24: Oh, samuel O Jackson.

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Speaker 3: That's who they need to get, all right. Let's deal

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Speaker 3: with the AI stocks next, with mar Blisters.

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Speaker 2: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: With the Business hour with Hander Duplicy Allen and Mas

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Speaker 1: Motor Vehicle Insurance. Your futures in good hands new storg ZV.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, the Chinese

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: are absolutely snapping up the latest iPhone. Peter Lewis will

1338
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 3: get you across the details on that. Barry Sober will

1339
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: rap the political week that was, and Gavin Gray is

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01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 3: in the UK for US at seven past six now,

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01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 3: there are no signs that the nervousness and the stock

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Speaker 3: markets is easy. And even after in Vidio's record results,

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01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 3: the Nasdaq, the SMP five hundred and the Dow Jones

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Speaker 3: have all closed down well this morning or closed out

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01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 3: closed well down this morning. Rather, the NASDAK dropped two

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Speaker 3: point two percent. Other markets have followed suit. The Aussie

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 3: suffered losses, the Z and X was pretty flat. Mark

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Speaker 3: Lister is the investment director for Craig's Investment Partners and

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Speaker 3: with US.

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Speaker 25: Hey, Mark, evening, Heather here you going well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? What sparked this?

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Speaker 25: I think it is just nervousness about valuations across some

1353
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 25: of those more high octane parts of the US markets,

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01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 25: the tech stocks, the AI market darlings, they've all had

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 25: a fantastic run, and we know that it's a really

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 25: exciting theme that we're seeing come in behind. But at

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01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 25: some point valuations do get to the point where investors

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01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 25: start to get a little bit nervous and people are

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01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 25: wondering whether maybe too much optimism is priced in right now?

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Speaker 3: Do you think that the jitters around AI stocks is founded? Oh?

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Speaker 15: Yes, and no.

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Speaker 25: Look, I don't think that we should be worried like

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01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 25: we were twenty five years ago with the dot com

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 25: bubble valuations, And know we near at the levels they

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Speaker 25: were back then, and you are actually seeing really strong

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Speaker 25: earnings growth come through for many of these businesses, and

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Speaker 25: the Nvidio result is a perfect example of that. But

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Speaker 25: that doesn't mean that things haven't maybe run a little

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01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 25: bit too far in the short term. So I think

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Speaker 25: it is wise to be a little bit cautious and

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Speaker 25: just be aware of those sorts of valuation risks. But

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Speaker 25: I don't think we're heading for another major bear market

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Speaker 25: or a recession or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Ahead about you off the view because I hear some

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Speaker 3: people say this, you're not going to know where, You're

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 3: not going to see it coming. So if this is

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Speaker 3: the thing that you're worried about, it almost certainly isn't this.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, that's right. But when we look at valuations,

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Speaker 25: when we look at earnings relative to prices and so forth,

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Speaker 25: we know we near where we were in ninety nine

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Speaker 25: or two thousand and two thousand and one. You're actually

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01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 25: seeing a bit of substance behind this rally. So there

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 25: are elements of the market that have maybe run a

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Speaker 25: bit too hard, some of those unprofitable tech stocks or

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Speaker 25: crypto you know that scenario that's getting hit pretty hard.

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Speaker 25: But by and large, you know, the Microsoft's, the Apples,

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Speaker 25: the nvideos, there's still the best companies in the world,

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Speaker 25: earning exceptionally good profits, strong margins, doing everything expect them,

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Speaker 25: we expect them to. So for me, it's more of

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Speaker 25: a case of, you know, a healthy pullback, a healthy correction,

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Speaker 25: rather than something that's going to develop into anything more sinister.

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Speaker 3: I actually was going to ask you about the crypto

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Speaker 3: what's going on with the bitcoin and the other cryptos,

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Speaker 3: because the connection to the AI stocks is not obvious

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Speaker 3: to me. What is it?

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Speaker 25: Well, I think crypto is just an asset that does

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Speaker 25: really well. It's a supercharged version of everything else, for

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Speaker 25: lack of a better better description. And when markets are

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Speaker 25: going well, crypto does really well. And when you get

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Speaker 25: a sell off, it tends to fall more heavily than.

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Speaker 5: Most other assets.

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Speaker 25: So the S and P five hundred is down about

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Speaker 25: five percent, the tech sector is down about ten percent.

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Speaker 25: Bitcoin is down about thirty percent. So if you're in crypto,

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Speaker 25: then you should be used to this because it's not unusual.

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Speaker 25: You look back over the last five years, ten years,

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Speaker 25: numerous times we've seen bitcoin cut in half. So I

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 25: think if that's you, if that's your game, if that's

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01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 25: the asset that you're exposed to, you should really be

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01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 25: expect this roller coaster. And those sorts of assets will

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01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 25: always be much more sensitive to sentiment, market movements, liquidity

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Speaker 25: than some of these more stable assets.

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Speaker 3: Mark, thank you very much, really appreciate and enjoy a weekend.

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Speaker 3: That's Mark listed, investment director for Craig and Craig's Investment Partners.

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Speaker 3: It's eleven past six when I read The Three Little

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01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 3: Pigs to My Girls, The Silly little pig who built

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01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 3: their house from straws from the Green Party. And the

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: silly little pig who built his house from sticks was

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01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 3: from the Labor Party. And the smart little pig who

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 3: built his house from bricks and had to rescue the

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Speaker 3: two sali little pigs was from the National Party. I

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Speaker 3: see Chris Luxon's been listening and texting again. By the way,

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Speaker 3: By the way, what you know that the act Party's

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01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 3: only doing this for the publicity basically, Like I mean,

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01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 3: I'm getting texting all. It's really sad that people are

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Speaker 3: this dumb and they have to have it. No, people

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01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 3: are not that dumb. It's just for publicity because you know,

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01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 3: it gets publicity when you do silly things like this.

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01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 3: By the way, another wicket's been lost in the ashes.

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Speaker 3: It's five one hundred and fifteen. Just need to quickly

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: update you on this air. New Zealand is apparently banning

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01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 3: or considering, not actually but considering banning the portable battery

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: charges for phones, you know, the ones that people lug

1434
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,719
Speaker 3: around with them, whether it's like a portable power bank.

1435
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 3: If you're running a bit low and you go and

1436
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 3: there you go, those things catch fire sometimes, you know,

1437
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 3: in the overhead lockers and it's not that planes don't

1438
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 3: really need that. So Quantas has announced that they're going

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01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: to aband them. So that's Jetstar in New Zealand December fifteen,

1440
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 3: no more of them, and Air New Zealand is now

1441
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: looking into it, possibly with a view of doing it

1442
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: Twelve plus six, It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full

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1445
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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1446
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with MAS

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,679
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Speaker 3: Right quarter past six, rapping the political week that was,

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Speaker 3: as our senior political correspondent, Barry Soper, Welcome back, Barry,

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Speaker 3: Hello again, Heather. Do you think, given given the amount

1452
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 3: of discussion that there has now been about whether there's

1453
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: going to be a co recryslucent, does he need to

1454
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 3: flush this out on day.

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Speaker 16: Most definitely he should, I think before the year ends,

1456
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 16: go and talk to his caucus. Put it to them

1457
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 16: that look where laborers at the moment, you've got the

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01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 16: green saying that they will revoke mining licenses if are

1459
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 16: part of a government. Of course they have to get

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 16: agreement out of Labor on that. And then you've got

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01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 16: the Maldi Party which is in no condition to be

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01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,719
Speaker 16: anywhere near the government benches at the moment. So essentially

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01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 16: you've got Labor on the ropes, whereas you've got the

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01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 16: coalition government headed by National in a much stronger possision.

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Speaker 16: And the only reason that Chris Luxen hasn't really got

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01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 16: any tread his traction. Traction is the word I'm looking for, traction.

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Speaker 16: The only reason he hasn't got any attraction is the

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 16: fact that lock this economy was in a parlor state

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01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 16: when the government took it over. It takes time to

1470
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 16: turn it around, and people are still hurting. And when

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Speaker 16: people hurt, it's the mood of the public that really

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Speaker 16: wins or loses elections. So my peck is that next

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01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 16: year we're going to see the economy pecking up in

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01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 16: terms of GDP. You'll see the next figure will I

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01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 16: would imagine, be one of growth, and you'll see the

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 16: mood of the nation changed to some extent, and then

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01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 16: you'll see the National Party will be not as strong

1478
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 16: as it has been in the past, but at least

1479
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 16: it'll be treading back to where it was.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Chris Luxon's good at the job?

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01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 16: Yes, I do. I think he's I think he relates

1482
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 16: very well to the public when he goes out and

1483
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 16: meets them. But it's hard to get traction when you're

1484
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 16: in a government that's seen by many is not doing

1485
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 16: enough to get this economy going again.

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01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: Okay, now I didn't give enough time to talk to

1487
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: you about this enough, so read the thing with David,

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01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 3: David Seymour and Winston Peters. What I thought was interesting

1489
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 3: was yesterday David Seymour said that Winston was behaving like

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01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 3: he wants to go back to labor and he'd done

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 3: that about two o'clock in the afternoon, and then he

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 3: was on our show at half plus five and he

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 3: wouldn't repeat it. Had Winston told him off in the

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Speaker 3: intervening period. Has he been given the telling off? No,

1495
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't think, because it's not a cool thing to say.

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Speaker 16: What what what Winston said?

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Speaker 10: No?

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01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 3: What day David Seymour had said, No, Yeah, did Winston

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Speaker 3: tell them?

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Speaker 16: The thing is that Winston's shrewd enough politician to not

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Speaker 16: personalize stuff, whereas David Seymour. He personalized the attack on Winston,

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Speaker 16: saying that he doesn't know where he's going and.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about. Winston called him a cuckold.

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Speaker 2: Very early on that I mean now.

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Speaker 16: They got into coalition. Oh absolutely, Winston knows how to

1506
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 16: play the coalition game, even though it's playing to all

1507
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 16: of us that he's out there campaigning at the moment.

1508
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 16: And certainly this Regulatory Standards Act now is one that

1509
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 16: he says, Look, when it was originally proposed during the

1510
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 16: coalition negotiations, there was a clause in it that it

1511
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 16: would go to referendum. Well that was dropped. And the

1512
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 16: final analysis and the excuse that he made was when

1513
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 16: Casey Costello got up in Parliament and praised the bill

1514
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 16: and said the House should be supporting this bill. Winston

1515
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 16: was overseas and he said he's not blaming she's not

1516
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 16: blaming Casey, but he said, you know they've gone too far.

1517
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 16: And the campaign against it, well, look that's what they're

1518
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 16: entitled to do. It was an act party piece of

1519
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 16: legislation and act in New Zealand. First, have never been

1520
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 16: bad buddies, really.

1521
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 3: No, not at all, not at all. What's happening this

1522
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 3: weekend with the Maori Party. Are they having the meeting

1523
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 3: or are they not having the meet?

1524
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 16: They are having the meeting and in the far North

1525
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 16: Napho he is and it's the Tee tay Toquerrale voters.

1526
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 16: Moromino Coupa Kinghy, the executive of the Maori Party is

1527
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 16: saying we're not coming alt okay.

1528
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 3: So that's why I thought the meeting's off because they

1529
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 3: are not coming, but the meetings carrying on without.

1530
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 16: He's carrying on without the man look, and I think

1531
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 16: Nata Glavish will be speaking at that meeting and she

1532
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 16: is no friend of John Tammerherry in fact, in the

1533
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 16: past has said that he should go for the sake

1534
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 16: of the party. So you'll see a lot of that repeated.

1535
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 16: But it'll be Teeta Toka on their own in a

1536
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 16: way that the executive won't be there. But I think

1537
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 16: the executive giving them the cold shoulder is a mistake.

1538
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 16: If they hanahar aware, as you know said earlier this week,

1539
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 16: why don't we get around the table, get back together.

1540
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 16: But that's not going to happen either. So you've got

1541
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 16: a fractured Maldi party. Not good for labor. But happily

1542
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,600
Speaker 16: for the National Party. They would say, well, this is

1543
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 16: a good thing. Labour's on the ropes. Well they're talking

1544
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 16: leadership there though.

1545
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 3: Why is justin they're going to be on the Graham

1546
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 3: Norton Show. What's she selling? You're only on it when

1547
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 3: you're selling something.

1548
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 16: She's what she's selling her autobiography and still well that

1549
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 16: and there's a movie. I believe it has come out,

1550
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 16: so she'll be selling that as well. And look, would

1551
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 16: you like or dislike Jasinda Durton. When I traveled overseas

1552
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 16: with her for many years, the media scrambled to have

1553
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 16: her on their programs and Stephen Colbert in the United

1554
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 16: States on The Late Show was a good example of that.

1555
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 16: And she invited him, went and picked him up at

1556
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 16: the airport when he came here. A bit too much

1557
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 16: for a prime minister. But nevertheless, she loves the publicity.

1558
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 16: She's getting more of it. And I'll tell you what.

1559
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 16: On December the twelfth, you can watch You're on TV

1560
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 16: in z on the Graham Norton Show.

1561
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: Can not Wait, Barry, thank you very much. It's Barry

1562
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 3: so Per, senior political correspondent. By the way, I've just

1563
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 3: been keeping abreast of what's going on with the jeim

1564
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 3: MC skimming thing. And we've just now got the name

1565
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 3: that today got the name of the second police officer

1566
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 3: who went around to Gevin mcskimming's house to visit him

1567
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 3: after he was allegedly you know what was actually charged

1568
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 3: with all the gross pawn it's Sam Hoyle, the police

1569
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 3: Assistant commissioner. Now. Well, to be fair to Sam, going

1570
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 3: was not a great idea, probably, but it doesn't sound

1571
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: like he was the instigator of it. Apparently he was

1572
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 3: asked by Tanya Kuta to go and visit mcskimming because

1573
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 3: they needed to do a welfare check on mix skimming.

1574
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 3: And also to be fair on Sam Hoyle, he has otherwise,

1575
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: by the looks of things, not been mentioned at all

1576
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 3: in the IPCA reporting to the jemcskimming stuff. But unfortunately

1577
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: he was part of that meeting, and that meeting has

1578
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 3: of course been basically what precipitated her resignation six twenty two.

1579
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,839
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1580
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duper c Allen and

1581
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: Mass Motor Vehicle Insurance.

1582
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands News.

1583
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 3: Talks that'd be Hey, so oh, I feel like that's

1584
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 3: not really how I should start this conversation with you.

1585
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 3: It sounds a bit personal. At Hey. When I was

1586
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,480
Speaker 3: at Metallica the other night, if you were at Metallica,

1587
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 3: you will have noticed this as well, the thing called

1588
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 3: the snake pit. Did you notice it if you weren't

1589
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 3: at Metallica. What it is is it's basically like the

1590
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 3: stage and then in the front of the seat in front,

1591
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 3: in the middle of the front of the stage, this

1592
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 3: giant bit has just been taken out and there are

1593
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: people in there that the mosh pit is in there,

1594
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: so that basically when the Metallica guitarists and so on

1595
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 3: and singers and whatnot were walking around the stage, they

1596
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 3: were walking around these people in the snake pit. Anyway,

1597
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about it, because, as you well know,

1598
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have been at Metallica. I have no bloody

1599
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 3: idea about Metallica. I had no idea what was going on.

1600
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 3: But when I was there, I was like, look at that,

1601
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 3: I wonder what's going on there? Well, guess who was

1602
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 3: in there? Simon Bridges was in there. The reason I

1603
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 3: know this is because a chap called Troy Raffatzi. Connell

1604
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 3: has written a piece of spinoff about being in it

1605
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 3: because it was like one of his life dreams because

1606
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 3: he's a big Metallica fan, and he discribed he said

1607
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 3: in there was a chap called Jay Weinberg. Do you

1608
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 3: know who that is? Ants? That's the drummer of Suicidal Tendencies.

1609
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 3: Do you know who Danny carry is? Ants?

1610
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 24: I'm not a rock fan. Who.

1611
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just testing your knowledge because you asked

1612
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 3: Martin than Monty Penaser, the drummer of Tool. So this

1613
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 3: is a illustrious company. So you've got old mate from

1614
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 3: Suicidal Tendency, he's in there. You've got the guy from Tuol,

1615
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: You've got Tiger Whitet in there as well. And then

1616
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 3: Simon Bridges and his wife. So I texted Simon and

1617
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 3: I was like, Simon, how much did you pay to

1618
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 3: be in the snake pit? And he just sent me

1619
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 3: a picture of his wife and he was like, you

1620
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 3: and your concert club missed out because the concert club

1621
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 3: actually paid for tickets. We got invited by Eden paper

1622
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 3: were like no, no, we paid for tickets. Or he

1623
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 3: was just saying like maybe if you come to the

1624
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 3: edn Park. Maybe you could have been whatever. He would

1625
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 3: never have let me in the snake pit with Tiger

1626
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 3: Whitet and himself. So then I texted him back and

1627
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 3: I was like, but how much did you pay radio silence?

1628
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 3: Radio silence from Simon Bridges? If you can fill me

1629
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 3: in with this information. Now here's the other thing. Would

1630
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 3: you have been okay with Simon Bridges being your prime

1631
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 3: minister if you knew he was cool enough to be

1632
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 3: in the snake pit at Metallica six twenty seven.

1633
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1634
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: If I wish your boyfriend, I'd never let you go.

1635
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 3: Like I teicture this. You're driving in the Hollywoodhill, your

1636
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 3: car breaks down. You sit on the side of the

1637
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 3: road for I don't know, maybe ten to fifteen minutes.

1638
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 3: Rich people in the Mercedes Bens is a driving past.

1639
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 3: You try and flag them down for help. They don't stop,

1640
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: but eventually a car stops. They get out of the

1641
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 3: car and you go, hold on, is that.

1642
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 10: Are interesting people?

1643
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1644
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 4: I didn't know you.

1645
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 10: Do you really want to know?

1646
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

1647
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 3: That's right. Justin Bieber stopped to help the guy on

1648
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 3: the side of the road. The guy's name is Bookoo.

1649
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 3: I don't think that's his actual name. I think that's

1650
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 3: his performance name. He was super grateful for it, and

1651
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 3: not only did Justin Bieber help him get his car

1652
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 3: back on the road, but apparently Biaber prayed with him

1653
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 3: and then wished him some good energy.

1654
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 24: Hey, why was he filming? I mean, you're broken down

1655
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 24: on the side of the road and somebody pulls up

1656
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 24: to help. Why have you had a camera on?

1657
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:57,759
Speaker 3: This is a good question. Do you have a camera

1658
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 3: on because it's America?

1659
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 24: I mean, yeah, maybe it's like a sham or something.

1660
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe, or maybe that like Americans film everything, don't they?

1661
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 3: Or was it a stunt for Justin Bieber? This is

1662
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 3: a good question that you ask, But then it could

1663
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 3: have just been that jet. Justin's a good guy because

1664
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: he's he's part of you know, the God squad, and

1665
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 3: so he sat down and he prayed as well. So anyway,

1666
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 3: would you want Justin Bieber? Like, I don't mind Justin

1667
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 3: Bieber stopping to help, but those arms are a little

1668
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 3: spindly from time to time, and I'm not sure if

1669
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: he can help me loof to tire. Just saying anyway,

1670
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 3: Biggest can't be chooses Peter Lewis is.

1671
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: Next, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business

1672
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: Hour with Head, the duper c Allen and mass motor

1673
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: vehicle insurance.

1674
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands, used talk said, be they want.

1675
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 3: Are there any current Bogans? And then national caucus that

1676
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,919
Speaker 3: could lead the country? Should Chris lux and be dumped? Glance?

1677
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 3: Interesting that you should ask that question, because let me

1678
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 3: refer you to Griff's text, which just came in during

1679
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 3: the news, Heather, I have been to various hard out

1680
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 3: concerts at the power station, and Chris Bishop has been

1681
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 3: quietly nodding his head and moving to some mean ass tunes.

1682
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 3: Chris Bishop is from Lower Hut like he is as

1683
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 3: BGANI as it comes. So if you're looking for a

1684
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 3: good Bogan, I feel like I'm not gonna lie like

1685
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 3: I get strong Muldoon vibes from him, do you know

1686
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, not in the sense, not in

1687
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 3: the kind of like you know, I want to ruin

1688
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 3: the economy and freeze.

1689
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 24: In before drunken call an election.

1690
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 3: Get drunk call an election, you.

1691
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 24: Know, dry start some dawn raids.

1692
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, do all these things. I don't feel like I

1693
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 3: don't I'm not that's not the kind of vibe. I'm

1694
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 3: getting drunk.

1695
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 24: The nuclear free policy, all of that.

1696
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 3: I don't mean to like make Chris Bishop feel bad

1697
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 3: about himself, but there's a kind of like there's a

1698
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 3: slightly slovenly thing going on there. They sort of they

1699
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 3: have their cuts. I feel like if they would cut

1700
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 3: similar shadows, do you know what I mean? And there's

1701
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 3: a there's also a like, hah vibe do you know

1702
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 3: about both of them? Like, man, whatever you know, I

1703
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 3: just get that math whatever vibe from the pair of them.

1704
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 3: It is a compliment. It is a like people think

1705
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 3: about Muldoon in a bad way now, but boy, when

1706
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 3: that man was in charge, did we love did we

1707
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 3: love the shite out of him like we loved Muldoon.

1708
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 3: So anyway, I think that christ Bishop should take it

1709
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 3: as a compliment. And three nine hundred and ninety nine

1710
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 3: dollars four thousand dollars is what it cost it apparently

1711
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 3: to get into the snake pit. So there you go.

1712
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 3: Twenty two away from seven Peter Lewis Asia Business Correspondents

1713
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 3: with us Now, Hi, Peter, good evening, Heather not looking

1714
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 3: so good for the Chinese economy, in Q four.

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Speaker 21: It is slowing for for sure, although when you look

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01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 21: at the headline number, which is four point eight percent,

1717
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 21: seems quite good, but that is slowing from five point

1718
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 21: two percents in the second quarter five point four percent

1719
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 21: in the first quarter. What you have to take into account, though,

1720
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 21: is that China is in deflation. Consumer prices have been

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01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 21: declining all year. Producer prices, which is the prices that

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01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 21: businesses pay for their raw materials at the factory gate,

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01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 21: that's been in decline every month for the past three years.

1724
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 21: So that really subtracts from that headline number, and it

1725
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 21: makes the real number about four percent. Some economists say

1726
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 21: maybe even worse than that, maybe real growth in China

1727
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Speaker 21: is only two to three percent. The main reason for

1728
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 21: this is still the price declines in the property market.

1729
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 21: There just seems no end to the property price declines.

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Speaker 21: We're into the fourth year of its now. New home

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01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 21: prices after the latest falls are down about twelve percent

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Speaker 21: from their peak. In the secondary market, they're down over

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01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 21: twenty percent now from their peak. A real impact first

1734
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Speaker 21: of all, on the wealth effect. People just don't want

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01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 21: to go out and spend when they're seeing deflation. When

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01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 21: they're seeing the value of their homes, which is their

1737
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 21: main asset, declining a month after month. China wants to

1738
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 21: try and make itself more dependent upon the consumer. The

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01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 21: government's in Beijing keeps on talking about trying to boost

1740
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 21: domestic consumption, but really all the measures it's been taking,

1741
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 21: like a household applians trade in scheme where you get

1742
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 21: discounts if you trade in your old iPhones or car

1743
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 21: or toaster for a new one, just haven't really had

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01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 21: anything other than a temporary booster consumption, which is what

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01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 21: you would expect really, because all this does is it

1746
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 21: just brings forward spending that maybe you would have made

1747
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 21: in a few.

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01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 10: Months time to now.

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01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 21: So China is really sort of caught in a bit

1750
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 21: of a vicious circle. Really, it needs to sort out

1751
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 21: the property market, needs to get consumers spending a gain.

1752
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 21: President chi Jinping says he wants to double the size

1753
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 21: of the economy between twenty twenty to twenty thirty five,

1754
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 21: so he needs at least four percent growth a year

1755
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 21: to be able to do that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how do we explain if the consumers not

1757
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 3: spending that much that they have just gone completely nuts

1758
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 3: for the iPhone?

1759
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 21: Well, that's the thing, isn't it. I mean, part of

1760
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 21: that is also due to this trade in scheme where

1761
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 21: you're able to get new models for some of your

1762
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 21: old ones. But consumers are very price conscious. They are

1763
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,799
Speaker 21: spending on things if they can find, you know, products

1764
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 21: that they like. And the iPhone does have a good

1765
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,440
Speaker 21: reputation in China, and this is despite very fierce competition.

1766
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 21: Now there's a lot of domestic iPhones being produced in China,

1767
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 21: but if you look at the latest monthly sales for

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01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 21: the new iPhone seventeen, it's gone really really well. There's

1769
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 21: been a thirty seven percent surge in Apple's smart soon

1770
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 21: smartphone sales in China and they have about twenty five

1771
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 21: percent of the market again, so that's the highest in

1772
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 21: about sort of three years. So there are pockets of

1773
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 21: sort of spending that the consumer is happy to do.

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01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 21: iPhone certainly seems to be one of them.

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01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. So hey, thank you very much, Peter. As always,

1776
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 3: we'll have a chat to you again in next week.

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01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 3: Look after yourself. As Peter lewis our Asia business correspondent

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01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 3: togither Dow for c L eighteen Away from seven. Heather

1779
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 3: if Bridge has got free tickets. Isn't that a cost

1780
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 3: to the rate payer, Well Russell, yeah, no, look one

1781
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 3: hundred percent. We need it. We need an inquiry here,

1782
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 3: totally need an inquiry into what happened to that snake

1783
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 3: fit and then and next in fact, next time, I

1784
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 3: think what we should do is we should send somebody

1785
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 3: in to see what's an eye volunteer. I will be

1786
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 3: the tribute to go into the snake. But by the way,

1787
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 3: another wicket's down in the cricket. It's one hundred and

1788
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 3: sixty for six.

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01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 8: Now.

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01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 3: The guy who runs mighty eight reckons this is the

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01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 3: year of the consumer, and he's talking about specifically Black Friday,

1792
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 3: which is happening next next Friday. Here, reckons retailers are

1793
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 3: going to go really really hard to try to get

1794
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 3: you to spend your dollar with them. So if you

1795
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 3: need something, he says, if you need something, look for it.

1796
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 3: Hunt for the value, because you might actually be able

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01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 3: to get it at a really good price. He says,

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01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 3: I would say hunt for value. We certainly go to

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01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:19,719
Speaker 3: enormous efforts to make sure that we're the best value

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01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 3: out there, but hunt for it. Because this year is

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01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 3: really the year of the consumer. Now I do not

1802
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 3: I hate shopping, so I do not get excited about

1803
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 3: Black Friday. But I am here for Black Friday this year.

1804
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 3: I've been waiting for about a month. I've needed it

1805
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 3: because I want something. And what I want is a

1806
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 3: dice in air app. You know, one of those ones

1807
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 3: where you get like, boys don't care about the stuff.

1808
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 3: Girls know what I'm talking about, the thing that it

1809
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 3: sucks up the hand and then it makes you have

1810
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 3: a nice kill. And I have been wanting one of

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01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 3: these for honestly about a month, and I have been waiting,

1812
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 3: and geez, I'll tell you what. That takes some level

1813
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 3: of self discipline to be like, I want to buy

1814
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 3: the thing, but now I'm going to wait a month

1815
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 3: to buy the thing because I don't know if you're

1816
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 3: aware of this, but dice in air raps are ridiculous

1817
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 3: in their price. You will not get one another wicket

1818
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 3: in the cricket it's seven, it's one hundred and sixty

1819
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 3: one for seven. You will not get one for under

1820
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 3: the price of seven hundred dollars. And you can pay

1821
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,839
Speaker 3: anywhere between seven hundred dollars in like one thousand and fifty.

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01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 3: Who wants to pay one thousand dollars for a tool

1823
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 3: for your hair, but dice and charges it, so people

1824
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 3: obviously pay it anyway, So I'm waiting for it. I

1825
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 3: have to be I reckon. I'm going to I reckon.

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01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get lucky this year because I've

1827
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 3: been The Black Friday sales really actually started about three

1828
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 3: weeks ago. People started putting things on sale, and the

1829
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 3: dice in air wrap has not moved. Nol Leaming has

1830
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 3: dropped it by one hundred dollars, so it's down to

1831
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 3: six hundred. But even six hundred for a hair product

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01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 3: is just wild anyway. It's way more information than you

1833
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 3: wanted about my buying habits. But we'll talk again next Friday.

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01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 3: See you then sixteen away from seven.

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01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, ever, it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Dupericy Allen and Mas Motor

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01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: Vehicle Insurance, your futures Kin good heads used talk Sibby.

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01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 3: Hither You'll love the air rep See it's worth waiting for.

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01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 3: Thirteen away from seven. Gavin Gray UK corresponds with us

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01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 3: Elogevin Hi the hell Okay, so what has the COVID

1841
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 3: inquiry said that you have been most interested in.

1842
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 26: Well, there's lots and lots in it. It has been

1843
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 26: long awaited and the chairwoman of the inquiry, former Judge

1844
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 26: Baroness Hallett, has not held back in her views on this. Basically,

1845
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 26: I suppose the most important thing was that the government

1846
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 26: response here in the UK in March twenty twenty, when

1847
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 26: the COVID was really beginning to get into the population.

1848
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 26: The response from the government, she said, was too little,

1849
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 26: too late. She said that imposing a lockdown a week

1850
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,600
Speaker 26: earlier would have saved twenty three thousand lives in the

1851
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 26: first wave in England that incidentally would have represented about

1852
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 26: half the number of deaths at that point. But she

1853
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,879
Speaker 26: also said that the inquiries' lockdown could have been avoided

1854
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 26: altogether if steps like social distancing and isolation had been

1855
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 26: actually introduced earlier. Though crucially, I suppose the report does

1856
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 26: not suggest the overall deathtop of the pandemic would have

1857
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 26: been reduced by an earlier lockdown. Let's remember hearing the

1858
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 26: UK two hundred and twenty seven thousand people had coronavirus

1859
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 26: down on their death certificates, playing a major or significant

1860
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 26: part in their death. So two hundred and twenty seven

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01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 26: thousand died, and the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson is

1862
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 26: coming in for some criticism in the report too. He

1863
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 26: was described as having excessive optimism in the face of

1864
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 26: the looming pandemic and then oscillating was the word used

1865
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 26: in the report, in other words, switching his mind yes no, yes,

1866
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 26: no on key decisions. The Inquiries already reported back on

1867
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 26: Britain's preparedness for the pandemic, as we've reported, concluding the

1868
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 26: UK failed its citizens with flawed plans. Heather, the thing

1869
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 26: about this is things are very easy in hindsight. I

1870
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 26: think in truth nobody really knew what they were doing.

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Speaker 3: I suppose that is true. I mean that's a fair

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01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 3: point to make. Now, the texes on the electric vehicles

1873
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 3: are not going down with the Boss of Ford, are they.

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01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 26: No, they are not, And so we are left waiting

1875
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 26: for our budget, our annual update from the Chancellor. We're

1876
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:18,719
Speaker 26: expecting tax rises, We're expecting lots of rises on things

1877
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 26: people are going to have to pay for. But it

1878
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 26: looks like electric vehicles are not going to be immune

1879
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 26: from this. It's interesting the government only reinstated a grant

1880
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 26: worth up to about seven and a half thousand dollars

1881
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 26: to encourage drivers to buy electric vehicles. Relatively recently they

1882
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 26: reinstated that grant. They've also got their net zero targets

1883
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 26: to meet, and yet we understand that next week it's

1884
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 26: quite likely the Chancellor is to introduce a pay per

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01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 26: mile for electric vehicles. How it will operate, we don't know,

1886
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 26: but the thinking is, well, we all use the roads,

1887
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 26: whether we're electric, diesel, gas, whatever, unleaded, so that electric

1888
01:32:56,600 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 26: vehicles should actually pay their part of that.

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01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 10: And it looks like.

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Speaker 26: This is pretty much now something the government is going

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01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 26: to introduce. But the boss of Ford here, the massive

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01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 26: manufacturing for motor company here, is basically saying this would

1893
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 26: be disaster because really we're going to be putting drivers

1894
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 26: off buying them at a time when actually the demand

1895
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 26: for them has kind of stalled. And they're saying all

1896
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 26: these government plans and targets are not going to be

1897
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 26: met if this tax is introduced. And it's a very

1898
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 26: very interesting time to bring this out. Lisa Branklin is

1899
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 26: the is the managing director of Ford UK, and she

1900
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 26: says that policy in the face of a really fragile

1901
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 26: demand for electric vehicles is just another break on demand.

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01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 3: Hey, you guys are getting nowhere with your nets? Are

1903
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 3: you nowhere?

1904
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 26: Not neats are people who are not in education or training,

1905
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:56,839
Speaker 26: so unemployed education or training, they're effectively not doing anything.

1906
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 26: And it's those between the sixteen to twenty.

1907
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 10: Four year old bracket who are.

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01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 26: Unemployed or economically inactive. And the number has actually dropped slightly,

1909
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 26: but it's still almost a million. That's one in eight

1910
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 26: young people not doing any training courses, not in education,

1911
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 26: and not being employed. Now the problem is is that

1912
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 26: age group gets older. That'll mean that, you know, when

1913
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 26: they're in their twenties and thirties, it'll leave a huge

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01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 26: hole in government income because they won't be paying any

1915
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,719
Speaker 26: tax if they don't get work. So lots of questions

1916
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 26: about why they're not and yup, Heather, you probably don't

1917
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 26: need to guess. One of the biggest new reasons has

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01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 26: been the number of people saying they aren't healthy enough

1919
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 26: to work because of their mental health, and so the

1920
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 26: government's looking at that. But also it does seem to

1921
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 26: be those from historically the poorer parts of the country

1922
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 26: that are representing bigger proportion of these needs. So the

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01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,799
Speaker 26: government also looking at trying to get them into work,

1924
01:34:56,840 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 26: but also training courses. And many people are hoping at

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01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:04,559
Speaker 26: this budget not just taxes the working people perhaps a

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Speaker 26: bit more, but also looks at reducing the benefit spell

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Speaker 26: and currently that is not something that they look to

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Speaker 26: be doing. And plenty of headlines saying yeah, those that

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Speaker 26: are working, which are few in number, are going to

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Speaker 26: be taxed more to support those who aren't working, which

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Speaker 26: is significantly.

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Speaker 2: Growing in number.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he hey, thank you very much, Gavin appreciated. Gavin Gray,

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Speaker 3: UK correspondent, Hither what are you like? Heated hair rollers

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Speaker 3: does the trick and then you angle them for the

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Speaker 3: way you want the cool and you walk around for

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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes doing other chores. Pauline Bullies straight out of

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Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties. That one seven away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Just bought a Duveena on Briscos ex use the ad

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Speaker 3: brake for a cheeky little purchase. Black Friday, one hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty dollars down to forty got a little binto

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Speaker 3: box lunchbox because the three year old dropped is at

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Speaker 3: kindy broke it. So it's twenty dollars down to tey.

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Speaker 3: How good is that? Mack Friday just going, yeah, don't worry.

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Speaker 3: Rod from Briscoe's going to hit me up with the

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Speaker 3: commission later. You know how it works on this show.

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Speaker 3: If I get you any money, you owe me ten percent.

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Speaker 3: So he owes me ten percent of the money that

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Speaker 3: I just paid him. Andrew Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew,

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Speaker 3: who is now just Andrew, has snubbed the US Congress

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Speaker 3: request to testify about Epstein Water Surprise. They gave him

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Speaker 3: two weeks to reply to the summons. He didn't reply

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Speaker 3: to the summons. It ran out yesterday, so that's not

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Speaker 3: going to happen.

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Speaker 24: Ants beck Wronger listening for the weather to play us

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Speaker 24: out tonight. Beck Wronger is going to be releasing a

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Speaker 24: new album next year. This will be her first album

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Speaker 24: of all original material in fifteen years. Someone was in

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Speaker 24: twenty eleven. This one is going to be called Red Sunset,

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Speaker 24: and to celebrate, she's doing a tour as well. She's

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Speaker 24: going to be playing Black Barn and Hawks Bay. This

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Speaker 24: is in March, Hamilton's White Cut Original Theater, the thirteen

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Speaker 24: hundred seat stadium that I talked about yesterday and Auckland's

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Speaker 24: ends at Ic Theater in March as well, and then

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Speaker 24: shows in christ Church and Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Right, have have you done your homework?

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Speaker 24: Look, I'm memet with a wall of silence. People in

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Speaker 24: enz of me don't know why Sophie Ellispeckster is not

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Speaker 24: playing an Auckland show. I haven't managed to make direct

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Speaker 24: contact with a PR agency doing the press, but I've

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Speaker 24: heard from other people who have spoken to them that

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Speaker 24: they don't know. Live Nation is not taking my calls

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Speaker 24: just yet, So I've got to wind it in the

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Speaker 24: net on Monday something for she going on here well,

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Speaker 24: or I will just no one knows who I am

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Speaker 24: and they won't pick their phone up. Please please check

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Speaker 24: the phone up, guys, Come.

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Speaker 3: On, I mean, why is Sophie playing? And the thirteen

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Speaker 3: hundred concert?

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Speaker 24: Well, I had a look at this. The christ Church

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Speaker 24: venue is also about thirteen hundred.

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Speaker 3: I think it's my Sophie's massive. Even my brother knows

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Speaker 3: who Sophie is. I don't think he was born when

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Speaker 3: Sophie had it.

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Speaker 24: At Yeah, you think she could at least do like

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Speaker 24: three thousand like Campbell Ceier or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sophie Allos Bister. She was massive anyway, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Annew'll just you stay keep at that thing well, enjoy

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Speaker 3: your weekend, See you next week.

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