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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Full Show Pod number one three one for

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Speaker 2: the twenty third of May twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It is a Friday, and what a show it was

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Speaker 3: our day.

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Speaker 2: Boy, oh boy, we got some heartwarming stories about grandparents

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Speaker 2: and the superpower that as grandparenting for humans.

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Speaker 3: And boy, that one really that.

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Speaker 2: Really took off.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, we got we got a lot of abuse

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Speaker 3: in that hour. Oh my god, you did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a lot of abuse for backing up grandparents.

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Speaker 3: I can't understand it. And that one text par rout,

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Speaker 3: I mean, when you hear it, you'll know it. It

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Speaker 2: And the thing is, there is this type of person

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Speaker 2: that hates humanity and thinks anyone that says that supports

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Speaker 2: child rearing in any ways evil. There's people that think

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Speaker 2: humans are a cancer and a planet nihilist. I guess

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Speaker 2: you'd call them are extinct extinctionalists, self hating human Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a few of those that come through. So that's entertaining,

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Speaker 2: and then the wheels came off with our chat around buses.

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Speaker 2: You've got to say, the wheels came off that chat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of chat about adult nappies man nappies,

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Speaker 3: so you just have to listen to find out why.

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Speaker 3: And we helped the lady calls. Well, I think we

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Speaker 2: She just rang up like we were the call center

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Speaker 2: to book her a bus for her niece that.

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Speaker 3: Was coming up from the county Carbon Coast to Auckland.

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Speaker 2: So she just rang up and see win does the

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Speaker 2: bus leave and how much is it?

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Speaker 3: It was eighty nine dollars unless she upgraded the gold

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Speaker 3: and how's the Wi Fi work?

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Speaker 2: So anyway, it was lovely. We're a call center forbid

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said the.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into the show Friday afternoon. I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you're listening in the country yet a matts.

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Speaker 2: So I've been talking up this new Tom Cruise movie,

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Speaker 2: the Eighth Mission. Impospital went to it last night.

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Speaker 3: Loved it.

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Speaker 2: The Final Reckoning, I loved it. I just think the

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Speaker 2: stunts he does is so fantastic. But a lot of

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Speaker 2: pushback on it. But does it time to just taser

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Speaker 2: all movie critics because they've been complaining about this movie.

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Speaker 3: A few of them they it'll be huge because.

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Speaker 2: It's Mission Impossible, it's the eighth and they're fantastic movies

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Speaker 2: and people love them everyday. People like me love them

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Speaker 2: because it gives us what it wants. It gives us

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Speaker 2: a bit of story, some action, some beautiful ladies, and

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Speaker 2: it just gives you everything you need. Plus the stunts

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Speaker 2: are done by Tom Cruise, so it adds that extra

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Speaker 2: jeopardy to it. But then you read these reviews and

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Speaker 2: they're and they're they're nickel and diming.

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Speaker 3: What more do you want?

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Speaker 2: You've got him hanging off a freaking plane. He's risking

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Speaker 3: It's because these toffee nosed numbties they're expecting Shindler's List.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a freaking action movie. It's entertaining. It's

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Speaker 3: not meant to be that deep, you morons. I'm with

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Speaker 3: young critics. They do my inn.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess if you're a critic, you go

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great, it's pretty good. Stunts in it, it's

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Speaker 2: pretty good. I mean, like all Mission impossible movies, I

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Speaker 3: It can be confusing, but I like.

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Speaker 2: The set pieces and I'm heavily entertained.

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Speaker 3: And the stunts are amazing. Yeah, so well worth a watch.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think it was. I think it's good and

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Speaker 2: so I mean it's got eighty percent on Rotten Tomatoes,

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Speaker 2: so begrudgingly. Aren z Is given it one point five

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Speaker 2: Who's are in z that's a New Zealand organization?

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Speaker 2: I don't know whoever are in z are? They've given

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Speaker 2: get out? What do you want from your movie?

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Speaker 3: You're joyless. You joyless people, life suckingly joyless people organization

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Speaker 3: as don't listen to it.

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Speaker 2: Hailey Atwell, I love her, She's fantastic in it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I've got to say IMDb eight point four. And

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Speaker 3: But Roden Tomatoes and these you know, these critics who

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Speaker 3: get paid for this sint of nonsense. Well, just don't

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with you? If you gave that movie

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Speaker 3: What do you need? Do you want Tom Cruise to

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 2: You want to actually blow himself up?

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Speaker 3: What has happened to it?

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Speaker 2: Do you want them to fall off the plane? Are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, felt good to get off our chests. Right on

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Speaker 3: to today's show after three movie critic is Critical Drinker

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's great.

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Speaker 3: Love Critical Drinker. Yeah, very good. Right, today's show after

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Speaker 3: three thirty, we're gonna have a chet too. A Kiwi

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Speaker 3: guy called Josh Lee's he's a musician, incredibly talented. You've

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Speaker 3: for Timberland. So Timberland, as you know, global musical superstar.

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Speaker 3: He's huge and he's got a global talent search underway.

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Speaker 3: He is offering five artists the chance to be featured

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Speaker 3: At this guy, Josh Leed's is in the running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I've seen this guy Josh Le's perform.

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Speaker 3: Yep. So we're having a chat to him at three

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Speaker 3: thirty looking forward to that. After three o'clock, would you

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Speaker 3: consider a coffee detox and you study Out of the

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Speaker 3: UK is linking our excessive caffeine and take with the

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Speaker 3: it's causing such disruption in the workplace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because one coffee great, two coffeese. By the time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I gave up coffee completely. Coffee detos. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You would when you went cold turkey? You came in

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Speaker 3: forward to that chat after three o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: when did we start turning our noses up at the

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Speaker 3: intercity bus. A lot of complaints about how expensive it

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Speaker 3: I would recommend it. It's beautiful, you sit up high,

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Speaker 3: And it was just it's so easy.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to go through all the rigmarole of

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Speaker 2: I've talked about this before, a lot of pits push back.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we'll see if that happens again, because we're

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Speaker 3: making babies or raising babies more specifically, so changes to

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Speaker 3: the Best Start tax Credit announcing the budget yesterday has

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Speaker 3: annoyed some organizations and parents. It's going to be means tested,

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Speaker 3: parents need that extra assistance to raise children. Quite often

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Speaker 3: both of the parents are working full time. It's incredibly

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Speaker 3: So they are worried that this means testing the Best

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Speaker 3: Start tax Credit will mean make it harder for good

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Speaker 2: Our economy is such and the way things are set

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Speaker 2: so everyone who doesn't hate humanity now we're looking at

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Speaker 2: the numbers, realizes we need more children, but falling upon

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Speaker 2: And whatever you think about this Best Start credit or whatever,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about today that's just come out

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Speaker 2: this this guy who's been called the world's first Dulwinian

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Speaker 2: die pediatrician, doctor Paul Turk. I was listening to him

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Speaker 2: on this podcast and he was talking about grandparents and

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Speaker 2: If we need it? Society can can? Can we can

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Speaker 3: It's eighteen past one or is.

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Speaker 3: It is eighteen past one.

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Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: A good afternoon to you. So, parents, younger parents out there,

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Speaker 3: how important are your parents when it comes to raising

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the situation now is that grandparents are having

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Speaker 2: it's still something that's happening a lot. How hard is

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Speaker 11: Hello there.

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Speaker 3: And you are a grandparent yourself.

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Speaker 11: I'm a grandmother. I have two grandchildren, and yeah, I

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Speaker 2: So do you feel like you've had to give up

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Speaker 11: So I was up until the end of last year

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Speaker 2: And that must make a huge difference for her. Do

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Speaker 11: With so much cheaper, it's near impossible to buy a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm there.

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Speaker 3: We're out doing what they were doing. That's why it works.

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Speaker 2: That's how you know, you look at evolutionarily and then

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 15: Myna's minister, Nichola Willis is with us nineteen year olds

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Speaker 15: who are unemployed. You're going to mean to test the parents.

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Speaker 16: I have talked to parents who say it's pretty tough

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Speaker 15: But it depends where MICHELA, don't play this game with me.

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Speaker 15: It depends where are you going to means test the mat?

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Speaker 15: Is it one eighty plus or is it a lot lower?

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Speaker 15: And a lot of parents are going to go I

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Speaker 16: We only really want it to be in exceptional circumstances,

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Speaker 16: because our base expectation is if you can't get a job,

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Speaker 16: you should be in training.

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Speaker 3: You're talking to much?

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Speaker 17: How much?

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Speaker 15: Nicola? How much does a parent have to earn before

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Speaker 3: Twenty eight past one. Yeah, are you only getting by?

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Speaker 2: Are you only able to have kids because of help

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Speaker 17: Hi, how are you very good?

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Speaker 3: What's your situation?

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Speaker 17: of the imagination. And my mother in law gave her

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 17: My parents were involved as well. They were a fair

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Speaker 17: kudos for what they do for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for you call, Jill. Yeah,

443
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Speaker 2: I guess that's what I'm saying. So if that's what

444
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Speaker 2: we need. Although someone does point out a team somewhat

445
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Speaker 2: of something, this is really good to think about. A

446
00:20:41,093 --> 00:20:43,573
Speaker 2: team who benefits from houses costing so much now that

447
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Speaker 2: it requires two incomes to satisfy a mortgage. You know

448
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Speaker 2: how to two taxpayers in the household? Ones? Yeah, I mean,

449
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Speaker 2: it is interesting that the thing has been jigged so

450
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Speaker 2: at some point in our history. When was it primarily

451
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Speaker 2: woman stayed at home with the kids, And then through

452
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Speaker 2: the fifties, sixties, seventies, a lot, a lot of it

453
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Speaker 2: happened after World War Two when women had to work

454
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Speaker 2: in factories and keep things going at home. Things changed, Yep.

455
00:21:09,493 --> 00:21:13,853
Speaker 2: Pill came online and things changed, and then women were

456
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Speaker 2: more out in the workplace. And now you know, it's

457
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Speaker 2: crazy to think that they weren't here a lot back

458
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Speaker 2: in the day. But then the economy didn't go, oh well,

459
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Speaker 2: people are going to get two incomes, we're going to

460
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Speaker 2: be twice twice as wealthy, and everyone's going to be

461
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Speaker 2: going great. No, somehow the economy changed the point now

462
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Speaker 2: where you need two people.

463
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Speaker 3: To work exactly. Yeah, spot off, oh one eighty ten eighty.

464
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Speaker 3: If you're a parent, are you only getting by by

465
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Speaker 3: relying on the grandparents to help raise your children if

466
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Speaker 3: you both have to work with the cost of childcare?

467
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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you on oh eight, one hundred

468
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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: This Texas is team Why didn't that last caller who's

470
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Speaker 2: extra three days a week worked the extra three days

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Speaker 2: a week and subsidize her child's her grandchild's daycare.

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Speaker 3: Dave. That's a horrible thought.

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Speaker 2: So he would prefer that the grand parent wasn't with

474
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Speaker 2: the kids, but was working and paying someone else to

475
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Speaker 2: look after the kids.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, complex, Dave, Yeah, very complex. Right, headlines with Raylene

477
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Speaker 3: coming up. Then we're taking more of your stories on

478
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Speaker 3: our one hundred eighty eighty.

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Speaker 18: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 18: in from Hamilton. A key were studying in Harvard is

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Speaker 18: waiting to hear from the university after the US government

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Speaker 18: said they could be deported. The Trump administrations told Harvard

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Speaker 18: it can't enroll foreign students, accusing it of allowing anti

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Speaker 18: American pro terrorist protests. The GP Owners' Association is bemoaning

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Speaker 18: a lack of funding in yesterday's budget, saying it's a

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Speaker 18: no brainer to better resource primary care, which saves health money.

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Speaker 18: It says doctors may be forced to charge more just

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Speaker 18: a stay afloat. Retail sales went up modestly country wide

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Speaker 18: in the March quarter A Sea reasonly adjusted er point

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Speaker 18: eight percent, motor vehicle in parts sales rose three point

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Speaker 18: one and pharmaceutical sales three point seven. A Rugby agent's

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Speaker 18: advice for young players aiming to go professional seymore At,

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Speaker 18: insaid Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about

499
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Speaker 3: the role of grandparents when it comes to raising their

500
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Speaker 3: children's children, the grandkids, so to speak. Are you, as

501
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Speaker 3: a parent only getting by by relying on the grandparents

502
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: So they's got angry texts to come through here. Matt

504
00:23:43,933 --> 00:23:46,613
Speaker 2: outspoken as always and ready to speak. So you reckon

505
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Speaker 2: grandparents should raise kids while scraping by on a pension.

506
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Speaker 2: Maybe check the latest budget. It's tighter than a drum

507
00:23:51,333 --> 00:23:54,253
Speaker 2: and half the country is living off charity handouts. Nobody

508
00:23:54,253 --> 00:23:56,893
Speaker 2: talks about grandparents are already working past retirement to pay

509
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Speaker 2: their own bills. Thanks for the cost of living crisis

510
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Speaker 2: and taxes they bleed us dry. If the government really cared,

511
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Speaker 2: they turn New Zealand into a high paying jobs paradise

512
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Speaker 2: and a tax haven. Not keep milking the same old

513
00:24:07,213 --> 00:24:09,413
Speaker 2: struggling families. You know, are you going to call out

514
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Speaker 2: this mess instead of expecting miracles from the older generation

515
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Speaker 2: who completely not listening to what I was saying, absolutely

516
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Speaker 2: not listening to what I say. No one was compelling

517
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Speaker 2: grandparents to go and look after the kids. We were

518
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Speaker 2: saying simply asking, are you only getting by because you

519
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Speaker 2: have your grandparents helping out with your family? That's what

520
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Speaker 2: we're saying, And we're saying that, evolutionarily speaking, that has

521
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Speaker 2: always been the way that.

522
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Speaker 3: Grandparents have looked after the kids.

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Speaker 2: And we're saying that it's a bad thing that we

524
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Speaker 2: live in an economy where that can't work, but it

525
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Speaker 2: might actually be a beautiful thing. The pan generational stuff

526
00:24:42,573 --> 00:24:43,173
Speaker 2: is fantastic.

527
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Speaker 3: We love it.

528
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Speaker 2: But not making not compelling parents like this clearly insane

529
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Speaker 2: person is texted.

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Speaker 3: But also start moving in and you've talked about this

531
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Speaker 3: many times on this program, but start moving back towards

532
00:24:53,973 --> 00:24:57,773
Speaker 3: the idea of multiple generations living together right on the

533
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Speaker 3: same plot of land or in the same household. It

534
00:25:00,613 --> 00:25:03,453
Speaker 3: is done. It is pretty common in Eastern countries and

535
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Speaker 3: whether we start moving in that direction. And grandparents are

536
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Speaker 3: a big part of raising children. Love to hear from

537
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Speaker 3: you though. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Phil,

538
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Speaker 3: you've got three children.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I've got three kids. We've had one six year

540
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Speaker 13: old and we've tried for another one then that whims.

541
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Speaker 13: So we've got three children now and yeah, they're just

542
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Speaker 13: pass of raising the kids and you're doing it's just achievable. Almost.

543
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Speaker 2: Were you in the same town as your as your

544
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Speaker 2: parents or did you have to do you have to

545
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Speaker 2: change things around for them to come and help.

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Speaker 13: We moved back to New Yland from Australia and my

547
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Speaker 13: wife's Australian. We had our first kid in Australia and

548
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Speaker 13: then coming back here we had the twins. So we've

549
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Speaker 13: got one grandparents helps as much as she can, right

550
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Speaker 13: and she sending my wife back to work. She wants

551
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Speaker 13: to go back to work. These are there six months

552
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Speaker 13: old now and we just count aford it's us about

553
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Speaker 13: twelve hundred a fortnight would take it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's absolutely crazy. How much

555
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Speaker 2: it is, And so do you mind me asking how

556
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Speaker 2: old you're howld? Is it your mother? Who's the grandparent

557
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Speaker 2: that's helping out?

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Speaker 13: So it's my mother?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that helps.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's still working. Yeah, I mean that's the thing,

561
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Speaker 2: because you know, that's the elephant and room in this.

562
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Speaker 2: And you can talk, as someone said, like it's all

563
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Speaker 2: very well when someone says, hey, boys, sounds great. When

564
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Speaker 2: we all lived in the extended family in the cave

565
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Speaker 2: by a river, scrubbing yourself with a rock, life had

566
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Speaker 2: moved on as far as working families goes, I'm sick

567
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Speaker 2: of paying for the kids that are not mine. Okay, yeah,

568
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Speaker 2: I mean it's all very well to go back as

569
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Speaker 2: this evolutionary scientists and said, and that's the way it

570
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Speaker 2: used to be. But you know your mum has to

571
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Speaker 2: still keep working to support herself, doesn't she.

572
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Speaker 13: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean twelve hundred bucks a fortnite, that's more

574
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Speaker 3: than my mortgage. That is crazy on childcare, and that

575
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Speaker 3: that is part of the equation writers. Yeah, when you

576
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Speaker 3: look into the subsidies for childcare, but also how much

577
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Speaker 3: they charge, and each childcare is different, you know, that

578
00:27:05,973 --> 00:27:08,733
Speaker 3: is part of the equation. As well, mean, it is

579
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Speaker 3: incredibly difficult. So you and your partner both work full time,

580
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Speaker 3: I take it, Phil.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm South from Floyd and my partner works in

582
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Speaker 13: the police and she wants to go back to work,

583
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Speaker 13: but we just can't afford to at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And and do you think as you're I mean, it's

586
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Speaker 2: a difficult question to ask you, but do you think

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Speaker 2: that you're you know that your mum gets something out

588
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Speaker 2: of spending time with your children and vice versa. Do

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Speaker 2: you think there's there's a positive side to it outside

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Speaker 2: of just the the you know, the necessity of it.

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Speaker 13: Understand, it's definitely rewarding for her as well. She loves it.

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Speaker 13: But yeah, it's just it's a hard one over here.

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Speaker 13: I don't know, I don't know what they're going to

594
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Speaker 13: do about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 3: Phil.

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Speaker 2: This Texas is I love staying with my grandparents. As

598
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Speaker 2: a young kid, my papa got me enjoying lumpy porridge

599
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Speaker 2: and sugar sandwiches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just to fill situation. You can hear

601
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Speaker 3: the frustration and his voice and how hard it is

602
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Speaker 3: for him as a parent, and he's that's certainly a

603
00:28:05,973 --> 00:28:08,333
Speaker 3: common theme with a lot of new parents these days.

604
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Speaker 3: But the text is coming through saying just stop having

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Speaker 3: more kids. But that's the problem, right, That's the whole

606
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Speaker 3: point of this discussion is we do need more children

607
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. We need to keep the population going.

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Speaker 3: And the very fact that parents or young people are

609
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Speaker 3: turning around and saying I'm not going to have children

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Speaker 3: because it's too expensive or I can't figure out how

611
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Speaker 3: to make it work or give them enough time to

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Speaker 3: be a good parent, that is the crux of the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe all we're saying is, you know the

614
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Speaker 2: idiot that texting before and said we were somehow compelling

615
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Speaker 2: grandparents to do it. You know, we're you know, the

616
00:28:41,373 --> 00:28:43,733
Speaker 2: text machine's open to insane people as well. But what

617
00:28:43,773 --> 00:28:48,373
Speaker 2: we're saying is should grandparents be celebrated more as that

618
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Speaker 2: were in society. We're not celebrating the contribution that grandparents

619
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Speaker 2: make to it more more because you know, as this

620
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Speaker 2: guy said, they're human optimizing machines, which is kind of

621
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Speaker 2: dehumanizing them. But that's one of the reasons why we're

622
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Speaker 2: such a successful as a species is because our species

623
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Speaker 2: changed it's lifestyle and it's I mean it's life cycle,

624
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Speaker 2: so grandparents. So we lived long enough that the grandparents

625
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Speaker 2: could look after the.

626
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Speaker 3: Kids spot on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know, it's obviously we're just having

628
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Speaker 2: the discussion about it. I'm not sure how you make

629
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Speaker 2: it happen or whether it's even a good thing that

630
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Speaker 2: we live in an economy where it seems like you

631
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Speaker 2: do need grandparents to help out in a lot of

632
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Speaker 2: occasions or us it's not impossible and as a result

633
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Speaker 2: our birth rates are so loo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty love to

635
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Speaker 3: get your thoughts on this. Are you only getting by

636
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Speaker 3: by relying on the grandparents your parents to outraise your

637
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Speaker 3: children and do we need to be celebrating that role

638
00:29:42,693 --> 00:29:45,973
Speaker 3: of grandparents more in New Zealand it is nineteen to two.

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Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

640
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Speaker 5: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons us talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon and we're talking about the

643
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Speaker 3: role of grandparents and raising grand children. It's on the

644
00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:04,853
Speaker 3: back of changes to the best start attacks credits and

645
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Speaker 3: there are some organizations, parenting organizations and parents themselves saying

646
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Speaker 3: that it will make it harder to have more children,

647
00:30:12,013 --> 00:30:15,013
Speaker 3: to raise good children and have time for them. And

648
00:30:15,093 --> 00:30:18,253
Speaker 3: we do know. I mean there's some learnees who argue

649
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Speaker 3: against it, as you say it hate humanity, but we

650
00:30:20,813 --> 00:30:24,093
Speaker 3: know we need people having more babies in New Zealand.

651
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it just seems ridiculously hard to do. But

652
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Speaker 2: we do know that grandparents are fantastic with kids as

653
00:30:31,453 --> 00:30:34,093
Speaker 2: a rule, and evolutionarily that was the way it was.

654
00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:38,533
Speaker 2: Grandparents brought up the kids and the parents were off working.

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Speaker 2: But as this person said, income is the word that

656
00:30:41,613 --> 00:30:44,373
Speaker 2: keeps coming up New Zealand wages halted going forward years ago,

657
00:30:45,373 --> 00:30:46,973
Speaker 2: and then the rest of the world to keep up

658
00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:49,333
Speaker 2: with the cost of living is too hard. New Zealand's

659
00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:52,213
Speaker 2: great place to live, crap place to work because it

660
00:30:52,653 --> 00:30:56,853
Speaker 2: has all come down to wages, isn't it really? And look,

661
00:30:56,893 --> 00:30:58,813
Speaker 2: I think it'd be fantastic for grandparents to be in

662
00:30:58,813 --> 00:31:01,133
Speaker 2: the lives of their kids as much as they possibly can.

663
00:31:01,333 --> 00:31:04,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it just one of the.

664
00:31:04,293 --> 00:31:08,293
Speaker 2: Reasons why you know we're not replacing ourselves very very quick,

665
00:31:08,573 --> 00:31:09,853
Speaker 2: is just how incredibly hard it is.

666
00:31:09,933 --> 00:31:12,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is the

667
00:31:12,373 --> 00:31:15,773
Speaker 3: nearby number to call. Doreen, how are you.

668
00:31:16,613 --> 00:31:21,133
Speaker 12: I'm good, thanks, Maddie and Tayler. Our experience as parents

669
00:31:21,133 --> 00:31:26,973
Speaker 12: and grandparents and my grandparents, it's intergenerational. My grandma she

670
00:31:27,093 --> 00:31:29,653
Speaker 12: lived with one of my uncles when we were kids,

671
00:31:29,693 --> 00:31:33,093
Speaker 12: but because my father and his brothers and sisters always

672
00:31:33,173 --> 00:31:37,173
Speaker 12: were around each other's places, we had exposure to my grandma. Unfortunately,

673
00:31:37,213 --> 00:31:39,933
Speaker 12: granddad died when he was sixty three, so we didn't

674
00:31:39,933 --> 00:31:42,773
Speaker 12: have a lot of connection to him. But in turn,

675
00:31:43,013 --> 00:31:46,213
Speaker 12: my husband's family were the same. His mum had a

676
00:31:46,213 --> 00:31:49,053
Speaker 12: lot to do with her mother in law and he

677
00:31:49,213 --> 00:31:53,013
Speaker 12: was connected to her. And then going to my parents,

678
00:31:53,773 --> 00:31:56,573
Speaker 12: my dad and mom they had the kids a lot,

679
00:31:56,613 --> 00:32:00,173
Speaker 12: and my brothers and sisters kids, so all the cousins

680
00:32:00,213 --> 00:32:02,613
Speaker 12: were around there. And their house was in Wattle Street

681
00:32:02,653 --> 00:32:04,253
Speaker 12: in Newland, and we used to call it the wattle

682
00:32:04,293 --> 00:32:09,293
Speaker 12: Sleet Street Asylum because it was dead kids chatting, drawing, cutting,

683
00:32:09,693 --> 00:32:14,333
Speaker 12: was just absolute chaos, going for walks, little groups. It

684
00:32:14,493 --> 00:32:17,373
Speaker 12: was brilliant. Of course, my husband was exposed to the

685
00:32:17,453 --> 00:32:20,693
Speaker 12: same sort of thing, a little bit more regulated. We

686
00:32:20,773 --> 00:32:23,813
Speaker 12: had seven I've got six siblings. He only had two.

687
00:32:24,173 --> 00:32:28,453
Speaker 12: That wasn't as crazy, but he had exposed to his grandma.

688
00:32:28,533 --> 00:32:31,813
Speaker 12: His granddad died young as well, so that sort of

689
00:32:31,853 --> 00:32:36,933
Speaker 12: followed on. And so my children, we've got two, two

690
00:32:37,053 --> 00:32:40,413
Speaker 12: girls and a boy. My eldest daughter had children early,

691
00:32:40,533 --> 00:32:43,173
Speaker 12: so my oldest grandson's twenty four. Then I've got a

692
00:32:43,173 --> 00:32:45,413
Speaker 12: twenty two year old and a sixteen year old grandson.

693
00:32:45,853 --> 00:32:48,453
Speaker 12: And we were working more then, my husband and I,

694
00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:51,213
Speaker 12: so we had we had a lot to do with them,

695
00:32:51,213 --> 00:32:54,173
Speaker 12: but not as much as we do with our younger grandchildren.

696
00:32:55,013 --> 00:32:58,133
Speaker 12: But we kept that together and to the extent were

697
00:32:58,173 --> 00:33:01,533
Speaker 12: one of my grandsons wanted a place to stay. He

698
00:33:01,573 --> 00:33:03,373
Speaker 12: lived with us for a year a few years ago,

699
00:33:03,853 --> 00:33:06,573
Speaker 12: and the other two grandsons were connected to us because

700
00:33:06,853 --> 00:33:09,413
Speaker 12: any day day house would open, the doors will be

701
00:33:09,413 --> 00:33:12,653
Speaker 12: open to them and their friends. So they appreciated that.

702
00:33:13,013 --> 00:33:15,933
Speaker 12: And now we've got two little girls. So we've jumped

703
00:33:15,933 --> 00:33:18,533
Speaker 12: the three boys to two little girls, one eight and

704
00:33:18,653 --> 00:33:22,173
Speaker 12: one is six, and we just love because we're older,

705
00:33:22,453 --> 00:33:25,413
Speaker 12: we just love and love the precious time with them.

706
00:33:25,493 --> 00:33:28,693
Speaker 12: They are so funny, they cheer you up. It's like

707
00:33:28,773 --> 00:33:32,013
Speaker 12: kindergarten with all the toys and all the drawing and

708
00:33:32,053 --> 00:33:33,773
Speaker 12: all the craft and all that, and we just set

709
00:33:33,813 --> 00:33:36,733
Speaker 12: it up they get fared, they stay over. They just

710
00:33:37,053 --> 00:33:39,333
Speaker 12: say their parents, is it Friday to day? Is it

711
00:33:39,533 --> 00:33:41,013
Speaker 12: grandma day? Is the granddad day?

712
00:33:41,613 --> 00:33:43,293
Speaker 3: That's beautiful, that's so good?

713
00:33:43,493 --> 00:33:46,053
Speaker 2: And do you give them do you give them treats

714
00:33:46,053 --> 00:33:46,973
Speaker 2: that they're not allowed at home?

715
00:33:48,013 --> 00:33:48,853
Speaker 4: Oh well, it's.

716
00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:54,893
Speaker 12: It's a written thing that my my parents to us

717
00:33:54,973 --> 00:34:00,093
Speaker 12: and we do to our within reasons. They know. It's

718
00:33:59,853 --> 00:34:05,773
Speaker 12: a discussion that's never had. But what we do is

719
00:34:05,813 --> 00:34:08,053
Speaker 12: we cooked dinners and they get sent home with the kids.

720
00:34:08,413 --> 00:34:10,053
Speaker 12: Mom and dad don't have to cook on a Friday

721
00:34:10,133 --> 00:34:13,772
Speaker 12: night or you know. And this week we're picking them

722
00:34:13,853 --> 00:34:16,652
Speaker 12: up from school, just staying over tonight. We'll go to

723
00:34:16,733 --> 00:34:22,213
Speaker 12: football tomorrow with them and hand them over. It's just adorable.

724
00:34:22,893 --> 00:34:26,373
Speaker 12: Husband loves it. He just you know, I haven't noticed

725
00:34:26,373 --> 00:34:29,893
Speaker 12: a lot of discussion about granddads. Boy, they're valuable.

726
00:34:30,053 --> 00:34:33,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's thinking about that, Dorien. Actually, and a

727
00:34:33,413 --> 00:34:36,172
Speaker 2: couple of points on it. Firstly, is when you are

728
00:34:36,213 --> 00:34:38,733
Speaker 2: spending time with grandchildren. Because if we're listening to this,

729
00:34:39,493 --> 00:34:44,172
Speaker 2: you know, darwinian pediatrician, he's saying that we're evolved. Grandparents

730
00:34:44,213 --> 00:34:46,813
Speaker 2: are evolved. Humans are involved when they hit the grandparents

731
00:34:46,813 --> 00:34:50,373
Speaker 2: stage to look after kids. So we get a lot

732
00:34:50,413 --> 00:34:53,973
Speaker 2: of in doorphins released when we're around our ground grandchildren,

733
00:34:54,413 --> 00:34:56,772
Speaker 2: and it feels like it's the right thing to do.

734
00:34:56,773 --> 00:34:58,772
Speaker 2: Do you do you feel that, do you feel some

735
00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:03,212
Speaker 2: kind of evolutionary thing coming through you that goes, this

736
00:35:03,253 --> 00:35:05,613
Speaker 2: is what I should be doing spending time with my grandkids.

737
00:35:06,413 --> 00:35:06,813
Speaker 12: Sure do?

738
00:35:07,093 --> 00:35:07,453
Speaker 17: Sure do.

739
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:11,173
Speaker 12: I mean we just feel blessed. And they get exposure

740
00:35:11,173 --> 00:35:13,573
Speaker 12: to the uncle's aunties. Again, it's just kind of that

741
00:35:13,813 --> 00:35:16,013
Speaker 12: everybody knows there's always going to be somebody there for

742
00:35:16,093 --> 00:35:17,253
Speaker 12: them if they're needed.

743
00:35:17,733 --> 00:35:19,212
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call, Dora.

744
00:35:19,213 --> 00:35:21,413
Speaker 2: And any other thing is you know talk about grandfathers

745
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:24,173
Speaker 2: and grandmothers, is they are the people that know a

746
00:35:24,213 --> 00:35:27,293
Speaker 2: lot as well? Yeah, so they've done everything. So you know,

747
00:35:27,853 --> 00:35:29,613
Speaker 2: you're just learning stuff in your life. You're going through

748
00:35:29,653 --> 00:35:31,812
Speaker 2: you have kids, especially when people tend to have kids younger,

749
00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:33,373
Speaker 2: you're just going through your life. You're learning stuff. But

750
00:35:33,653 --> 00:35:35,413
Speaker 2: if you're a grandparent, you've been through all that, you've

751
00:35:35,413 --> 00:35:37,533
Speaker 2: seen the world, you know stuff, you're the perfect person

752
00:35:37,573 --> 00:35:38,653
Speaker 2: to be teaching kids.

753
00:35:38,453 --> 00:35:40,213
Speaker 3: A lot of life skills. Yeah. Oh, eight hundred and

754
00:35:40,253 --> 00:35:42,292
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's ten

755
00:35:42,853 --> 00:35:47,973
Speaker 3: to two bag very shortly you're listening to Matt and Tyler, madd.

756
00:35:47,773 --> 00:35:51,053
Speaker 1: Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight hundred

757
00:35:51,093 --> 00:35:54,453
Speaker 1: and eighty, ten eighty, it's mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

758
00:35:54,613 --> 00:35:56,373
Speaker 1: news dogsb just doorgs.

759
00:35:56,373 --> 00:35:58,093
Speaker 3: They'd be great to have your company. And we are

760
00:35:58,173 --> 00:36:02,253
Speaker 3: talking about the role of grandparents. There is some consternation

761
00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:05,373
Speaker 3: from parenting groups and parents about how hard it is

762
00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:08,732
Speaker 3: to raise children, and it may become hard for some,

763
00:36:09,013 --> 00:36:11,652
Speaker 3: which changes the best art text credit. But the role

764
00:36:11,653 --> 00:36:14,493
Speaker 3: of grandparents when it comes to raising children. You mentioned

765
00:36:14,533 --> 00:36:19,813
Speaker 3: a very renowned pediatrician, doctor Paul Turk, who says that

766
00:36:19,893 --> 00:36:22,853
Speaker 3: the evolutionary role of a grandparent is to help raise children.

767
00:36:22,973 --> 00:36:25,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says that grandparents are the human optimizing machines

768
00:36:25,893 --> 00:36:29,013
Speaker 2: they have. Why are were so successful that we had

769
00:36:29,053 --> 00:36:33,493
Speaker 2: such fantastic grandparents looking after the kids well the well,

770
00:36:33,533 --> 00:36:36,652
Speaker 2: the parents were off doing things. But this is this

771
00:36:36,693 --> 00:36:41,613
Speaker 2: is an interesting I mean, this sums it up. Actually, so, Hi, guys,

772
00:36:41,693 --> 00:36:44,933
Speaker 2: great topic of conversation about grandparents and grandchildren. Unfortunately, and

773
00:36:45,013 --> 00:36:47,133
Speaker 2: my family, the grandparents are either half a world away

774
00:36:47,213 --> 00:36:49,853
Speaker 2: or too old to assist with me, does this mean

775
00:36:49,893 --> 00:36:52,533
Speaker 2: that our kids somehow culturally deficient? No, that's not what

776
00:36:52,653 --> 00:36:56,413
Speaker 2: not we say. But this person was the actually.

777
00:36:56,133 --> 00:36:57,373
Speaker 3: One I wanted to read out, and I've.

778
00:36:57,213 --> 00:36:58,853
Speaker 2: Lost it becau's so many texts coming through, But it

779
00:36:58,893 --> 00:37:02,213
Speaker 2: was basically saying, grandparents have people have to work so

780
00:37:02,333 --> 00:37:04,293
Speaker 2: long now in life. They have to keep working and

781
00:37:04,333 --> 00:37:08,573
Speaker 2: working and working. So people, you know, would love I'm

782
00:37:08,653 --> 00:37:10,213
Speaker 2: sure there's a lot of grandparents out there would love

783
00:37:10,213 --> 00:37:11,973
Speaker 2: to just stop working to go and look after their kids,

784
00:37:12,013 --> 00:37:14,413
Speaker 2: but they're still working. And also, we have kids so

785
00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:16,813
Speaker 2: much later in life now, so that the grandparents end

786
00:37:16,853 --> 00:37:17,613
Speaker 2: up being much older.

787
00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:18,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time.

788
00:37:18,253 --> 00:37:20,212
Speaker 2: And when you're talking about this evolutionary guy, he's talking

789
00:37:20,253 --> 00:37:23,493
Speaker 2: about people were grandparents in their thirties. Yeah, spot on,

790
00:37:24,453 --> 00:37:27,573
Speaker 2: sweaking the math on that, yep, did he get that works?

791
00:37:27,653 --> 00:37:28,733
Speaker 3: Its yeah, spot on.

792
00:37:29,293 --> 00:37:31,373
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a different situation. The generations used

793
00:37:31,373 --> 00:37:32,493
Speaker 2: to cycle through a lot quicker.

794
00:37:32,573 --> 00:37:36,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter, you are involved with your grandchildren a few

795
00:37:36,413 --> 00:37:36,853
Speaker 3: times a week.

796
00:37:38,093 --> 00:37:41,093
Speaker 19: Yeah. Yeah, I've got eight months old that I'm just

797
00:37:41,133 --> 00:37:44,893
Speaker 19: going for walk right now and a three year old

798
00:37:44,933 --> 00:37:47,933
Speaker 19: that I take two In this case, not a case

799
00:37:48,013 --> 00:37:51,413
Speaker 19: of they can't afford to do it. It's a case

800
00:37:51,493 --> 00:37:55,733
Speaker 19: of you don't really want to put a baby in daycare.

801
00:37:56,653 --> 00:38:02,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so for your which parents is your child, Peter?

802
00:38:04,853 --> 00:38:08,893
Speaker 3: What what parents is youre? Is the father or the

803
00:38:08,893 --> 00:38:11,333
Speaker 3: mother your child? The daughter? Yeah, so they both got

804
00:38:11,413 --> 00:38:13,692
Speaker 3: back to work. I take it in and the fact

805
00:38:13,773 --> 00:38:15,133
Speaker 3: that yeah, yeah, yeah, well young.

806
00:38:17,293 --> 00:38:19,333
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, yeah, we don't really want to I dearly

807
00:38:19,373 --> 00:38:24,493
Speaker 19: not put a baby into daycare. Yeah. So, but it's

808
00:38:24,573 --> 00:38:29,373
Speaker 19: proven medically. I'm only sixty two, so it's proven that

809
00:38:30,653 --> 00:38:33,653
Speaker 19: grandparents said spend a lot of time with their friend

810
00:38:33,733 --> 00:38:39,733
Speaker 19: kids much longer. Yeah, because there's nothing like you know,

811
00:38:39,813 --> 00:38:42,533
Speaker 19: I quite get that seven o'clock in the morning and

812
00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:45,853
Speaker 19: this little guy here I'm pushing around. Now, I get

813
00:38:45,893 --> 00:38:48,453
Speaker 19: the smile you get from the greeting and he puts

814
00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:49,453
Speaker 19: his arms out and.

815
00:38:50,013 --> 00:38:51,893
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah yeah.

816
00:38:51,933 --> 00:38:53,933
Speaker 19: It's definitely good for the old mind and body.

817
00:38:54,293 --> 00:38:56,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because people kind of think that when they

818
00:38:56,893 --> 00:38:59,053
Speaker 2: retire or get older, that they'll just want to sit

819
00:38:59,093 --> 00:39:01,693
Speaker 2: on the beach and drink peanut clatters or whatever will relax.

820
00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:04,692
Speaker 2: But actually that's not what I really want. Humans want

821
00:39:04,773 --> 00:39:07,453
Speaker 2: to be part of what's going on and part of

822
00:39:07,453 --> 00:39:10,973
Speaker 2: people's lives and being helpful and sharing what they've got

823
00:39:11,013 --> 00:39:13,933
Speaker 2: with other people. We never really want to stop being

824
00:39:13,973 --> 00:39:16,413
Speaker 2: part of things, do we. It's a funny old thing

825
00:39:16,453 --> 00:39:19,573
Speaker 2: that our visions of what retirement would be not what

826
00:39:19,613 --> 00:39:22,813
Speaker 2: we actually want this Texas, says Matt. It's easy to criticize,

827
00:39:22,853 --> 00:39:24,613
Speaker 2: but let's look at the facts. Nearly a quarter of

828
00:39:24,653 --> 00:39:27,373
Speaker 2: New Zealanders over sixty five are still working, and for

829
00:39:27,453 --> 00:39:29,373
Speaker 2: many it's not because they want to. It's because they

830
00:39:29,413 --> 00:39:31,853
Speaker 2: have to just to make ends meet. Grandparents are already

831
00:39:31,853 --> 00:39:34,373
Speaker 2: stretched thin, trying to support themselves in their families, sometimes

832
00:39:34,453 --> 00:39:38,253
Speaker 2: even stepping into help with childcare and finances. That's so true.

833
00:39:38,373 --> 00:39:40,973
Speaker 2: So here's a question, how is your work actually helping

834
00:39:40,973 --> 00:39:43,773
Speaker 2: grandparents and families who are struggling every day. If you're

835
00:39:43,773 --> 00:39:45,573
Speaker 2: not part of the solution, maybe it's time to step

836
00:39:45,573 --> 00:39:48,573
Speaker 2: aside and stop working yourself, because right now you're just

837
00:39:48,613 --> 00:39:51,893
Speaker 2: another voice in the system that's failing those who need

838
00:39:51,933 --> 00:39:54,013
Speaker 2: it most. Well, maybe it's a good point. I'm not

839
00:39:54,053 --> 00:39:56,413
Speaker 2: sure how we're helping, but the only suggestion we came

840
00:39:56,493 --> 00:40:00,133
Speaker 2: up with is to talk about it, and maybe we

841
00:40:00,293 --> 00:40:03,373
Speaker 2: celebrate the role of grandparents a little bit more, and

842
00:40:03,453 --> 00:40:05,373
Speaker 2: so the ones that are doing that stuff and going

843
00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:07,813
Speaker 2: out of their way to help are actually honored yep,

844
00:40:07,933 --> 00:40:10,173
Speaker 2: for doing exactly I'm not sure if that'll help to

845
00:40:10,213 --> 00:40:12,933
Speaker 2: solve the problem, but maybe it'll make the people that

846
00:40:12,973 --> 00:40:13,812
Speaker 2: are doing it feel better.

847
00:40:13,853 --> 00:40:15,493
Speaker 3: Hey, if you've got a solution. Oh, eight hundred and

848
00:40:15,493 --> 00:40:17,413
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to cour We'd love

849
00:40:17,453 --> 00:40:19,413
Speaker 3: to hear from you, but keen on your stories. If

850
00:40:19,413 --> 00:40:23,053
Speaker 3: you're a parent that relyes not the right word I think,

851
00:40:23,173 --> 00:40:26,253
Speaker 3: but has your the grandparents coming in to help you

852
00:40:26,373 --> 00:40:29,293
Speaker 3: raise your children, love to hear from you, and also

853
00:40:29,453 --> 00:40:31,773
Speaker 3: vice versa if you're the grandparent in that situation. But

854
00:40:31,773 --> 00:40:32,613
Speaker 3: we're going to carry this.

855
00:40:32,613 --> 00:40:35,133
Speaker 2: On and is there something inherently wrong with our economy

856
00:40:35,373 --> 00:40:37,373
Speaker 2: that we don't seem to be able to bring up

857
00:40:37,453 --> 00:40:37,973
Speaker 2: enough kids?

858
00:40:38,053 --> 00:40:40,653
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

859
00:40:40,813 --> 00:40:43,733
Speaker 3: to get on Andrews Standing by nineteen ninety two. If

860
00:40:43,733 --> 00:40:45,853
Speaker 3: you want to see the text. New Sport and Weather

861
00:40:46,093 --> 00:40:48,293
Speaker 3: is on its way. It is very good to have

862
00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:50,493
Speaker 3: your company. As always, We'll see you on the other.

863
00:40:50,373 --> 00:40:55,453
Speaker 1: Side talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor

864
00:40:55,493 --> 00:40:57,813
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

865
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Speaker 14: It'd be.

866
00:40:59,613 --> 00:41:02,333
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the program,

867
00:41:02,373 --> 00:41:04,253
Speaker 3: and been having a great chat about the role of

868
00:41:04,293 --> 00:41:08,133
Speaker 3: grandparents when it comes to raising children. In twenty twenty

869
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:10,053
Speaker 3: ten five, Yeah.

870
00:41:09,813 --> 00:41:11,613
Speaker 2: That's right. So there's been some changes to the best

871
00:41:11,613 --> 00:41:15,613
Speaker 2: start tax credits, which kind of suggests that maybe the

872
00:41:15,653 --> 00:41:19,493
Speaker 2: focus isn't so heavily on the worth of bringing kids

873
00:41:19,493 --> 00:41:22,093
Speaker 2: in and helping that happen. But I personally think that

874
00:41:22,373 --> 00:41:23,573
Speaker 2: we need more children.

875
00:41:23,933 --> 00:41:25,172
Speaker 3: Well, we certainly do think.

876
00:41:25,213 --> 00:41:27,613
Speaker 2: I think we're not replicating ourselves quick enough and that's

877
00:41:27,613 --> 00:41:30,533
Speaker 2: going to cause huge amounts of problems in the future.

878
00:41:31,013 --> 00:41:35,933
Speaker 2: And we were talking about the first Darwinian pediatrician, that's

879
00:41:35,973 --> 00:41:38,053
Speaker 2: what he's known as. He doesn't like to call himself that,

880
00:41:38,053 --> 00:41:39,733
Speaker 2: but doctor Paul Chuk heard him on a podcast and

881
00:41:39,773 --> 00:41:44,573
Speaker 2: he was describing grandparents as human optimizing machines and celebrating

882
00:41:44,573 --> 00:41:47,373
Speaker 2: the role that grandparents had and the success of the

883
00:41:48,053 --> 00:41:50,493
Speaker 2: human species, and that we just wouldn't be here if

884
00:41:50,493 --> 00:41:53,733
Speaker 2: we didn't evolve to have people live longer so the

885
00:41:53,733 --> 00:41:58,853
Speaker 2: grandparents could look after the kids of their kids. So look,

886
00:41:58,893 --> 00:42:01,293
Speaker 2: I'm getting a bit of pushback on my view that parents,

887
00:42:02,013 --> 00:42:04,652
Speaker 2: grandparents looking after their kids is a beautiful thing and

888
00:42:04,653 --> 00:42:06,333
Speaker 2: that older people are evolved to do it. Getting a

889
00:42:06,373 --> 00:42:08,652
Speaker 2: lot of pushback on that, I'm not sure why, and

890
00:42:08,653 --> 00:42:11,773
Speaker 2: that it should be celebrated as it once was, And

891
00:42:11,853 --> 00:42:14,133
Speaker 2: also a lot of pushback on my secondary claim that

892
00:42:14,813 --> 00:42:17,292
Speaker 2: there's something wrong with our economy that is so hard

893
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:20,453
Speaker 2: and expensive to bring up kids. Humans need more humans

894
00:42:20,493 --> 00:42:23,652
Speaker 2: to live. Things should be geared in any economy such

895
00:42:23,733 --> 00:42:26,333
Speaker 2: that is a thing that is possible to do. So

896
00:42:26,373 --> 00:42:27,693
Speaker 2: I guess I've got two sides of this.

897
00:42:27,853 --> 00:42:28,133
Speaker 3: Really.

898
00:42:28,373 --> 00:42:31,893
Speaker 2: I think it's a beautiful thing when grand parents bring

899
00:42:32,013 --> 00:42:35,413
Speaker 2: up their kids' kids. But I also think it's wrong

900
00:42:35,533 --> 00:42:38,133
Speaker 2: that it's so hard to bring up kids and so

901
00:42:38,213 --> 00:42:42,652
Speaker 2: expensive and so difficult with daycare and two people often

902
00:42:42,693 --> 00:42:45,053
Speaker 2: having to work that it almost becomes.

903
00:42:44,693 --> 00:42:47,493
Speaker 3: A necessity and just one.

904
00:42:48,053 --> 00:42:49,013
Speaker 2: So I'm getting abuse from both.

905
00:42:49,653 --> 00:42:51,293
Speaker 3: Youre getting whipped on all sides, but just on the

906
00:42:51,413 --> 00:42:54,293
Speaker 3: argument of whether we need more children or not. Of course,

907
00:42:54,533 --> 00:42:58,053
Speaker 3: we need to keep the population going, and it's the problem.

908
00:42:58,093 --> 00:43:01,053
Speaker 3: I mean, we can see it with Japan, South Korea.

909
00:43:01,093 --> 00:43:04,493
Speaker 3: There's many of those Asian countries that their birth rate

910
00:43:04,693 --> 00:43:08,733
Speaker 3: has effectively collapsed, and they are terrified about what happens

911
00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:11,133
Speaker 3: to their economy. Of course, you can lean in on

912
00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:14,013
Speaker 3: immigration and those sort of things. But without that birth

913
00:43:14,093 --> 00:43:16,813
Speaker 3: rate going up, they're starting to look into a future

914
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:19,013
Speaker 3: and they don't know how they're going to fund it's

915
00:43:19,173 --> 00:43:19,853
Speaker 3: their economy.

916
00:43:19,853 --> 00:43:23,133
Speaker 2: It's a symbiotic relationship here, Tyler. We're talking about so

917
00:43:23,773 --> 00:43:27,293
Speaker 2: we need the old people to look after the young people,

918
00:43:27,453 --> 00:43:29,493
Speaker 2: so the young people can look after the old people.

919
00:43:29,493 --> 00:43:31,212
Speaker 3: If you see what I'm saying, hang on, thank you.

920
00:43:31,293 --> 00:43:32,973
Speaker 3: That started up very well.

921
00:43:33,173 --> 00:43:35,373
Speaker 2: I think, says Phil. There is something very beautiful and

922
00:43:35,413 --> 00:43:37,853
Speaker 2: pure about the love grandparents have for their grandchildren. It's

923
00:43:37,853 --> 00:43:40,053
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing, and also the joy the children bring

924
00:43:40,093 --> 00:43:42,733
Speaker 2: to the grandparents as well, which callers have spoken of.

925
00:43:42,813 --> 00:43:46,573
Speaker 2: They both give each other life in a way. Absolutely

926
00:43:46,733 --> 00:43:49,973
Speaker 2: the joy that kids bring grandparents, but also the knowledge

927
00:43:50,173 --> 00:43:54,493
Speaker 2: and love and connection to their wider family and the

928
00:43:54,613 --> 00:44:00,573
Speaker 2: full life span of humanity that grandparents give their grandchildren. Yeah,

929
00:44:00,573 --> 00:44:02,773
Speaker 2: I think it's an absolute beautiful thing. I don't know

930
00:44:02,773 --> 00:44:05,973
Speaker 2: why people are so furious at me for saying it, Matt.

931
00:44:06,053 --> 00:44:08,652
Speaker 2: The reality is when grandparents step in and help, they

932
00:44:08,693 --> 00:44:11,133
Speaker 2: often end up under extra stress and at higher risk

933
00:44:11,173 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 2: of home accidents. If they get hurt, the whole family

934
00:44:13,293 --> 00:44:15,933
Speaker 2: has to care for them, driving up costs for everyone.

935
00:44:16,173 --> 00:44:18,533
Speaker 2: The last government's meant up large on social issues. Now

936
00:44:18,533 --> 00:44:21,533
Speaker 2: the cost of living is rising for everyone. New Zealand

937
00:44:21,653 --> 00:44:23,733
Speaker 2: is living on band aids. Met You're correct, there is

938
00:44:23,773 --> 00:44:26,293
Speaker 2: something inherently wrong with our economy. Maybe it's time to

939
00:44:26,293 --> 00:44:29,813
Speaker 2: consider if people should stop working, because right now it

940
00:44:29,853 --> 00:44:32,573
Speaker 2: feels like we're going in circles while families and grandparents

941
00:44:32,613 --> 00:44:36,453
Speaker 2: keep struggling, and governments and councils just tax us into oblivion.

942
00:44:37,013 --> 00:44:40,093
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean that is quite a circular argument

943
00:44:40,133 --> 00:44:42,013
Speaker 3: that that teas are just head with themselves, because I

944
00:44:42,013 --> 00:44:44,453
Speaker 3: think he started off having a go at you saying

945
00:44:44,493 --> 00:44:46,453
Speaker 3: that it's not up to the grandparents, but then finished

946
00:44:46,493 --> 00:44:49,813
Speaker 3: saying that nobody can afford to raise children, so what other.

947
00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:52,333
Speaker 2: Choice do we have. Well, that's kind of what I'm saying.

948
00:44:52,533 --> 00:44:54,413
Speaker 2: I'm kind of got a circular thing going on here

949
00:44:54,453 --> 00:44:56,973
Speaker 2: as well. Hey, guys, lovely hearing these positive stories, but

950
00:44:56,973 --> 00:44:59,293
Speaker 2: there's a lot of dysfunction out there too. Not so

951
00:44:59,413 --> 00:45:02,773
Speaker 2: easy for grandparents who are bullied into caring for grandchildren

952
00:45:02,813 --> 00:45:05,333
Speaker 2: and they feel powerless to fight back. Some children use

953
00:45:05,573 --> 00:45:07,813
Speaker 2: emotional black whay mail to get their way. Yeah, I

954
00:45:07,853 --> 00:45:11,533
Speaker 2: mean absolutely whenever you talk about anything to do with families,

955
00:45:11,573 --> 00:45:13,693
Speaker 2: there's it's so complicated.

956
00:45:13,813 --> 00:45:15,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that is. I mean, we'd love to hear

957
00:45:15,893 --> 00:45:18,533
Speaker 3: from you if you've had that conversation with your children,

958
00:45:18,653 --> 00:45:21,173
Speaker 3: or indeed the other way with your parents, on the

959
00:45:21,213 --> 00:45:24,413
Speaker 3: boundaries that you've got to set with looking after and

960
00:45:24,453 --> 00:45:27,533
Speaker 3: helping raise the grandkids. I what one hundred eighty ten eighty,

961
00:45:27,573 --> 00:45:29,573
Speaker 3: because I'm sure and most of the people that we've

962
00:45:29,613 --> 00:45:32,693
Speaker 3: heard from this afternoon, clearly they've set at those boundaries

963
00:45:32,733 --> 00:45:35,293
Speaker 3: that it's a friday or a couple of days a week.

964
00:45:35,573 --> 00:45:38,212
Speaker 3: It's not full time care that we're talking about here,

965
00:45:38,573 --> 00:45:41,373
Speaker 3: it's just being more involved in that child's life to

966
00:45:41,813 --> 00:45:43,973
Speaker 3: alleviate some of the stress of new parents that are

967
00:45:43,973 --> 00:45:46,093
Speaker 3: struggling right now because they both have to work full

968
00:45:46,133 --> 00:45:49,653
Speaker 3: time and childcare is is crazy expensive. Yeah.

969
00:45:49,693 --> 00:45:55,573
Speaker 2: Absolutely eight. All right, Reuben, welcome to show your thoughts

970
00:45:55,613 --> 00:45:55,813
Speaker 2: on this.

971
00:45:56,973 --> 00:46:01,172
Speaker 8: Hey, probably a little bit different than what you were

972
00:46:01,213 --> 00:46:04,213
Speaker 8: just talking about then, but I just kind of the

973
00:46:04,253 --> 00:46:07,173
Speaker 8: previous one of the previous scholars was just sort of

974
00:46:07,173 --> 00:46:10,773
Speaker 8: saying about how I guess if you've got a newborn,

975
00:46:10,853 --> 00:46:13,893
Speaker 8: you don't really want to put them into daycare, So

976
00:46:13,933 --> 00:46:15,733
Speaker 8: I just kind of wanted to call up. I guess

977
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:21,013
Speaker 8: based on how we I'm expecting a kid at the.

978
00:46:21,013 --> 00:46:21,533
Speaker 4: End of July.

979
00:46:23,733 --> 00:46:26,373
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually called a little a.

980
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:27,013
Speaker 4: Few weeks ago.

981
00:46:27,453 --> 00:46:31,253
Speaker 8: I'm a joiner to journer in so yeah.

982
00:46:31,613 --> 00:46:33,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, welcome, welcome back.

983
00:46:34,613 --> 00:46:37,813
Speaker 8: Yes, So, yeah, we're expecting him a couple of months.

984
00:46:37,813 --> 00:46:41,652
Speaker 8: But both my partner and our mum's passed where a

985
00:46:41,653 --> 00:46:44,053
Speaker 8: few years ago from cancers, so I don't really have

986
00:46:44,533 --> 00:46:48,453
Speaker 8: the grandma sort of person in our lives for up here.

987
00:46:48,693 --> 00:46:53,652
Speaker 8: And then my partner's dad isn't sort of in the

988
00:46:53,653 --> 00:46:56,772
Speaker 8: pectu eta, so we kind of don't really have a choice.

989
00:46:56,773 --> 00:46:58,973
Speaker 8: We both have to go back to work. We don't

990
00:46:58,973 --> 00:47:03,093
Speaker 8: earn enough to sort of just be taking care full time.

991
00:47:03,373 --> 00:47:05,333
Speaker 8: My partner's going to take off eight months and then

992
00:47:05,373 --> 00:47:09,053
Speaker 8: baby's going to have to go into daycare. So I

993
00:47:09,053 --> 00:47:10,813
Speaker 8: guess there are people out there that kind of have

994
00:47:10,933 --> 00:47:12,933
Speaker 8: to do that, and that is what it is. But

995
00:47:13,013 --> 00:47:15,853
Speaker 8: I suppose if you've got grandparents that can do it,

996
00:47:16,013 --> 00:47:19,373
Speaker 8: quite it's gold Like, yeah, I really appreciate it sort

997
00:47:19,373 --> 00:47:20,732
Speaker 8: of thing. I guess was my.

998
00:47:22,373 --> 00:47:22,613
Speaker 4: On it.

999
00:47:23,253 --> 00:47:25,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if I mean, yeah, if it all

1000
00:47:25,453 --> 00:47:27,652
Speaker 2: works out and you've got a great relationship with your

1001
00:47:27,813 --> 00:47:31,453
Speaker 2: with your parents, and they have the time and the

1002
00:47:31,493 --> 00:47:34,293
Speaker 2: inclination to help out with your kids, then that is

1003
00:47:34,973 --> 00:47:37,373
Speaker 2: that is absolutely perfect. But do you think, Reuben, that

1004
00:47:37,493 --> 00:47:42,053
Speaker 2: there is that there is something wrong with our economy,

1005
00:47:42,293 --> 00:47:46,413
Speaker 2: that the way that it's geared, that it seems so

1006
00:47:46,693 --> 00:47:50,813
Speaker 2: difficult to bring up kids and and and you're having

1007
00:47:50,893 --> 00:47:54,293
Speaker 2: to move things around and you know, you know, needing

1008
00:47:54,293 --> 00:47:56,133
Speaker 2: two people working and all those kind of things. Do

1009
00:47:56,173 --> 00:48:00,533
Speaker 2: you think that if things were working perfectly, were working better,

1010
00:48:00,773 --> 00:48:05,653
Speaker 2: then things would be geared more to to help children

1011
00:48:05,693 --> 00:48:07,293
Speaker 2: come into the world and help parents have children.

1012
00:48:10,093 --> 00:48:14,093
Speaker 8: I think it might to see times are changing, and yeah,

1013
00:48:14,213 --> 00:48:16,773
Speaker 8: people's work full time and it kind of is what

1014
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:19,613
Speaker 8: it is. There's being set up to star and stay

1015
00:48:19,653 --> 00:48:21,213
Speaker 8: here and anything else. I guess ideally you'd want to

1016
00:48:21,213 --> 00:48:23,413
Speaker 8: spend more time with your kids to give them the

1017
00:48:23,413 --> 00:48:26,533
Speaker 8: best start, but it's kind of the way things are

1018
00:48:26,653 --> 00:48:27,813
Speaker 8: around the world, I guess.

1019
00:48:27,853 --> 00:48:29,893
Speaker 3: But are you worried, Ruben? You know you've got and

1020
00:48:29,973 --> 00:48:32,333
Speaker 3: it's a beautiful thing that you've got a child coming

1021
00:48:32,333 --> 00:48:34,533
Speaker 3: into this world in a couple of months, But are

1022
00:48:34,573 --> 00:48:38,453
Speaker 3: you worried about the time that you'll have to spend

1023
00:48:38,573 --> 00:48:40,893
Speaker 3: time with the child, that the costs you're going to

1024
00:48:40,933 --> 00:48:42,293
Speaker 3: have to the money you're going to have to spend

1025
00:48:42,293 --> 00:48:44,893
Speaker 3: on child here, all of those elements where I imagine

1026
00:48:44,893 --> 00:48:47,853
Speaker 3: if it was, you know, back in my parents' days,

1027
00:48:47,893 --> 00:48:50,533
Speaker 3: where one my mum could stay at home and dad

1028
00:48:50,613 --> 00:48:54,573
Speaker 3: earns enough to be able to look after the family,

1029
00:48:54,773 --> 00:48:57,653
Speaker 3: that took a lot of stress off raising children and

1030
00:48:58,253 --> 00:49:03,613
Speaker 3: starting a family. We've planned for.

1031
00:49:03,573 --> 00:49:06,853
Speaker 8: It, so I think like we affected it in the

1032
00:49:06,893 --> 00:49:12,213
Speaker 8: costs and I'm gonna I'm self employed, our own business.

1033
00:49:12,253 --> 00:49:14,733
Speaker 8: So one day a week I'll take where only planning

1034
00:49:14,773 --> 00:49:16,893
Speaker 8: to have baby nd here for three days a week,

1035
00:49:16,973 --> 00:49:19,373
Speaker 8: and then my partner's going to go down to four days,

1036
00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:20,493
Speaker 8: and I'll go down to four days.

1037
00:49:20,573 --> 00:49:20,732
Speaker 12: Right.

1038
00:49:20,813 --> 00:49:22,533
Speaker 8: So if you've got the ability to sort of plan

1039
00:49:22,733 --> 00:49:25,013
Speaker 8: in advance for that sort of thing, I think you

1040
00:49:25,053 --> 00:49:25,893
Speaker 8: can just make it work.

1041
00:49:26,013 --> 00:49:27,573
Speaker 3: Yeahh good on your Reuben.

1042
00:49:27,613 --> 00:49:29,493
Speaker 2: You're the kind of person that just goes We'll sort

1043
00:49:29,533 --> 00:49:31,613
Speaker 2: it out. This is the problem. Yeah, this is the obstacles.

1044
00:49:31,653 --> 00:49:33,213
Speaker 2: The way these are the problems. I'm not going to

1045
00:49:33,213 --> 00:49:36,133
Speaker 2: complain about it. I'm just going to make it work yourself.

1046
00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:38,613
Speaker 2: We do do some pretty we do have you know,

1047
00:49:38,693 --> 00:49:41,533
Speaker 2: fifty two weeks, parent will leave, don't we So we

1048
00:49:41,533 --> 00:49:43,893
Speaker 2: we do do stuff to make it. But if we're

1049
00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:47,413
Speaker 2: going to keep growing our population, then you have to

1050
00:49:47,453 --> 00:49:49,493
Speaker 2: have more than one or two kids. You have to

1051
00:49:49,533 --> 00:49:51,652
Speaker 2: have the people having three and fourcads, right, yeah, and

1052
00:49:51,733 --> 00:49:54,573
Speaker 2: so you know, having four kids, Oh my god, that

1053
00:49:54,693 --> 00:49:58,213
Speaker 2: seems I'm one of four kids, and that obviously was

1054
00:49:58,253 --> 00:50:00,373
Speaker 2: quite punishing for my parents. I mean, we were on

1055
00:50:00,413 --> 00:50:03,253
Speaker 2: a farm, so we're running around I guess a little bit. Yeah,

1056
00:50:03,293 --> 00:50:07,413
Speaker 2: but that's yeah, four heads now, but.

1057
00:50:07,333 --> 00:50:10,453
Speaker 3: That's that was the all back then. Nowadays that would

1058
00:50:10,453 --> 00:50:13,693
Speaker 3: be considered a massive family. If you have four kids. Jeez,

1059
00:50:13,733 --> 00:50:15,613
Speaker 3: that's a big family. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1060
00:50:15,653 --> 00:50:17,573
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call it. Sixteen past two.

1061
00:50:18,293 --> 00:50:22,773
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

1062
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:26,853
Speaker 1: afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

1063
00:50:28,653 --> 00:50:30,813
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. We're having a great discussion

1064
00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:34,093
Speaker 3: about the role of grandparents when it comes to raising

1065
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:35,213
Speaker 3: grand children.

1066
00:50:35,573 --> 00:50:39,773
Speaker 2: They've been described as human optimizing machines by a Darwinian

1067
00:50:39,853 --> 00:50:43,253
Speaker 2: pediatrician called doctor Paul Turk. You can listen to that

1068
00:50:43,333 --> 00:50:46,413
Speaker 2: whole pod. It's on the Modern Wisdom podcast. Got a

1069
00:50:46,413 --> 00:50:49,893
Speaker 2: few text here. So I firmly think, look at our

1070
00:50:49,893 --> 00:50:52,893
Speaker 2: older generation. My grandma never would have dreamed of owning

1071
00:50:52,893 --> 00:50:55,893
Speaker 2: a new car at thirty while having kids. People's expectations

1072
00:50:55,893 --> 00:50:57,692
Speaker 2: of a normal life is out of whack. People now

1073
00:50:57,693 --> 00:51:00,853
Speaker 2: expect an overseas trip once a year.

1074
00:51:01,093 --> 00:51:02,053
Speaker 3: This Texas has.

1075
00:51:01,853 --> 00:51:04,493
Speaker 2: Given our inability to live and balance with the ecosystem.

1076
00:51:04,493 --> 00:51:07,413
Speaker 2: Maybe the conversation we should be having as less babies globally,

1077
00:51:07,493 --> 00:51:10,652
Speaker 2: especially a folk and afford financially and holistically speaking, Well,

1078
00:51:10,693 --> 00:51:12,293
Speaker 2: there's not much point of an exos system if there

1079
00:51:12,293 --> 00:51:15,172
Speaker 2: aren't humans about to look at earlier. So these these

1080
00:51:15,173 --> 00:51:19,933
Speaker 2: are the extensionalists. There's a humanists and extension extinctionalists. So

1081
00:51:20,013 --> 00:51:22,493
Speaker 2: these are the people that think that humans are a

1082
00:51:22,493 --> 00:51:24,093
Speaker 2: blight on the planet and it will be better if

1083
00:51:24,093 --> 00:51:25,573
Speaker 2: there were less of us because of the damage we

1084
00:51:25,573 --> 00:51:29,773
Speaker 2: do the planet. But you know, humans, the more humans,

1085
00:51:29,813 --> 00:51:30,493
Speaker 2: the more less.

1086
00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:34,053
Speaker 3: That's the Thanos argument. We know Thos, Yeah that is ah.

1087
00:51:34,093 --> 00:51:36,053
Speaker 2: I wonder if there was Thanos maybe it was, Yeah,

1088
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:38,453
Speaker 2: I know Thanos got his head stoved in by thora.

1089
00:51:38,453 --> 00:51:42,773
Speaker 2: I believe grandchildren are the reward for having children. Granmar

1090
00:51:42,893 --> 00:51:47,413
Speaker 2: of seven. Yeah, absolutely love that. But to sort of

1091
00:51:47,413 --> 00:51:52,373
Speaker 2: accentuate my point, is there something wrong with an economy

1092
00:51:52,533 --> 00:51:56,293
Speaker 2: that is geared such that it is very, very hard for.

1093
00:51:56,293 --> 00:51:57,493
Speaker 3: Us to replace ourselves.

1094
00:51:57,573 --> 00:51:59,893
Speaker 2: If you see what I'm saying, If it's too hard

1095
00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:02,693
Speaker 2: for us to have enough children that we keep growing

1096
00:52:02,733 --> 00:52:06,533
Speaker 2: in population and actually start going backwards, then that doesn't

1097
00:52:06,573 --> 00:52:10,253
Speaker 2: seem like it's working. Please. Yeah, because arguably one of

1098
00:52:10,293 --> 00:52:14,573
Speaker 2: the most important things about humanity is to reproduce.

1099
00:52:14,813 --> 00:52:16,973
Speaker 3: We need a system that turns out babies. There's what

1100
00:52:17,093 --> 00:52:18,173
Speaker 3: keeps us going well.

1101
00:52:18,053 --> 00:52:20,573
Speaker 2: What makes it so it's not incredibly stressful to have them?

1102
00:52:20,613 --> 00:52:23,253
Speaker 2: I guess welcome to show Chris.

1103
00:52:24,053 --> 00:52:26,813
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, show you very good and what's your take

1104
00:52:26,853 --> 00:52:27,093
Speaker 3: on this?

1105
00:52:28,773 --> 00:52:30,693
Speaker 20: I can't believe I'm saying this, But Matt, I couldn't

1106
00:52:30,693 --> 00:52:33,133
Speaker 20: agree with you more mate, every single point you've made

1107
00:52:33,213 --> 00:52:35,493
Speaker 20: on this. I can't believe there are people against it.

1108
00:52:35,693 --> 00:52:38,812
Speaker 3: I Yeah, why can't you believe you say that? Because?

1109
00:52:38,973 --> 00:52:40,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's making you feel bad about yourself that you're

1110
00:52:40,733 --> 00:52:41,693
Speaker 2: agreeing with me on something.

1111
00:52:42,013 --> 00:52:44,212
Speaker 3: It hurts when that happens, Chris, but just ride it through.

1112
00:52:44,253 --> 00:52:44,812
Speaker 3: It gets better.

1113
00:52:46,093 --> 00:52:48,253
Speaker 20: I've punished my ear drums ever since radio.

1114
00:52:50,493 --> 00:52:53,053
Speaker 2: I would like to a blanket apology for everything I've done.

1115
00:52:53,053 --> 00:52:56,653
Speaker 2: But yeah, we say Chris, no mate.

1116
00:52:56,413 --> 00:52:58,533
Speaker 20: It's good, and no, I'm riding the thick of it.

1117
00:52:58,573 --> 00:53:00,093
Speaker 20: My wife and I got a couple of little girls,

1118
00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:01,732
Speaker 20: four and a half and two and a half, and

1119
00:53:02,893 --> 00:53:07,613
Speaker 20: we hurt. My wife's mum retired. Basically they look after

1120
00:53:07,733 --> 00:53:10,333
Speaker 20: our girls when the oldest was born. So we first

1121
00:53:10,333 --> 00:53:12,533
Speaker 20: of all, I know that we're really fortunate, and lots

1122
00:53:12,573 --> 00:53:16,053
Speaker 20: of other people just don't get that opportunity, especially you know, immigrants,

1123
00:53:16,133 --> 00:53:18,333
Speaker 20: immigration families. You got a lot of Saffers here in

1124
00:53:18,333 --> 00:53:20,652
Speaker 20: Auckland who you know, they've got no family support, and

1125
00:53:20,693 --> 00:53:22,373
Speaker 20: so we hear about that and see that all the time.

1126
00:53:22,413 --> 00:53:23,613
Speaker 8: So we know we're lucky.

1127
00:53:24,413 --> 00:53:27,453
Speaker 20: But just the advantage that it like, we see the

1128
00:53:27,493 --> 00:53:29,293
Speaker 20: advantage with them when the kids are ready to go

1129
00:53:29,333 --> 00:53:31,733
Speaker 20: to daycare at kind of two, which is what's happened

1130
00:53:31,733 --> 00:53:34,973
Speaker 20: with our girls, they are leaps and bounds ahead of

1131
00:53:35,013 --> 00:53:39,252
Speaker 20: everyone else. Their dialogue, they're speaking. I mean, our girl

1132
00:53:39,293 --> 00:53:41,652
Speaker 20: when she turned forth, she's reading, she's reading, she can

1133
00:53:41,693 --> 00:53:44,493
Speaker 20: sound out words on a book that she's never seen before.

1134
00:53:44,533 --> 00:53:46,252
Speaker 20: And she takes her a couple of minutes and she'll

1135
00:53:46,253 --> 00:53:47,893
Speaker 20: read it. She'll read a page on a kid's book

1136
00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:51,013
Speaker 20: and she's four and it's it's and you know, to

1137
00:53:51,053 --> 00:53:52,853
Speaker 20: be honest, my mother in law she was actually given

1138
00:53:52,893 --> 00:53:55,093
Speaker 20: them lessons and stuff, so probably going above and beyond,

1139
00:53:55,653 --> 00:53:59,133
Speaker 20: but absolutely, you know, the best possible start for our girls,

1140
00:53:59,173 --> 00:54:00,533
Speaker 20: and we've seen it in both of them. They are

1141
00:54:00,613 --> 00:54:03,013
Speaker 20: leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else. And then the

1142
00:54:03,053 --> 00:54:06,053
Speaker 20: other angle is, you know, not only is it, you know,

1143
00:54:06,173 --> 00:54:09,453
Speaker 20: rewarding for the grandparents. And had a call before who

1144
00:54:09,533 --> 00:54:12,133
Speaker 20: rightfully said, you know, it's it's known that if you

1145
00:54:12,133 --> 00:54:15,093
Speaker 20: know grandparents spends longer with their with their grandchild, they

1146
00:54:15,133 --> 00:54:17,333
Speaker 20: live longer, and that's that's that's obviously proven.

1147
00:54:17,653 --> 00:54:18,573
Speaker 8: But also as a.

1148
00:54:18,613 --> 00:54:22,293
Speaker 20: Parent getting it being able to see you and unfortunately

1149
00:54:22,333 --> 00:54:23,853
Speaker 20: I lost my mum a couple of years ago and

1150
00:54:23,893 --> 00:54:25,333
Speaker 20: I miss out on this, but I see it with

1151
00:54:25,333 --> 00:54:27,533
Speaker 20: my mother in law and my father in law that

1152
00:54:27,813 --> 00:54:29,293
Speaker 20: you know that you actually get a bit of it

1153
00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:31,773
Speaker 20: as a parent. You get a real rush seeing the

1154
00:54:31,813 --> 00:54:34,853
Speaker 20: bond between the grandparent and your child. And that's actually

1155
00:54:34,893 --> 00:54:37,693
Speaker 20: one of the unspoken kind of joys of being a

1156
00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:39,613
Speaker 20: parent is actually that moment where you get to see

1157
00:54:39,653 --> 00:54:41,933
Speaker 20: your parents and your children interact and the love that

1158
00:54:41,973 --> 00:54:44,213
Speaker 20: they have for each other, it's it's like it's like

1159
00:54:44,293 --> 00:54:47,333
Speaker 20: a like a high. You can't replicate it. Yeah, it's amazing.

1160
00:54:47,533 --> 00:54:49,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like things are in line in

1161
00:54:49,893 --> 00:54:51,893
Speaker 2: the universe and we're doing what we're supposed to do.

1162
00:54:51,933 --> 00:54:56,333
Speaker 2: When you see those moments, and I mean my father's

1163
00:54:56,333 --> 00:54:59,212
Speaker 2: eightieth he was he did this big speech and he's

1164
00:54:59,253 --> 00:55:02,973
Speaker 2: got great great grandchildren. There's this huge family down there

1165
00:55:03,173 --> 00:55:06,613
Speaker 2: in Dunedin and he was just looking arount this room

1166
00:55:06,653 --> 00:55:09,293
Speaker 2: packed with all these people's absolutely packed with people that

1167
00:55:09,373 --> 00:55:12,692
Speaker 2: are you know, his offspring and his offspring's partners, off spring.

1168
00:55:12,733 --> 00:55:14,413
Speaker 2: There's a huge amount of people all the way down.

1169
00:55:14,453 --> 00:55:15,653
Speaker 2: I just seen a god Peratus the other day with

1170
00:55:15,733 --> 00:55:19,493
Speaker 2: him sitting with his latest great great grandkid, walta very

1171
00:55:19,493 --> 00:55:22,933
Speaker 2: cute but anyway, he was just saying that that that's

1172
00:55:23,453 --> 00:55:26,453
Speaker 2: the greatest thing in his life was to look at

1173
00:55:26,453 --> 00:55:28,453
Speaker 2: this and getting to spend the time with these these

1174
00:55:28,813 --> 00:55:30,613
Speaker 2: all these people that have come in and he said

1175
00:55:30,613 --> 00:55:32,973
Speaker 2: it was a great The greatest transfer of energy you

1176
00:55:32,973 --> 00:55:35,413
Speaker 2: can have in your life is from the you know,

1177
00:55:35,453 --> 00:55:37,293
Speaker 2: the older people to the younger people.

1178
00:55:37,333 --> 00:55:39,133
Speaker 3: And I was just crying looking.

1179
00:55:38,973 --> 00:55:41,533
Speaker 2: At it beautiful at at his alieth because it was

1180
00:55:41,573 --> 00:55:43,613
Speaker 2: like it was just so beautiful to see how proud

1181
00:55:43,693 --> 00:55:46,693
Speaker 2: he was of my sister's kids and my kids and

1182
00:55:47,173 --> 00:55:50,652
Speaker 2: my sister's kids kids. It was, it was it was

1183
00:55:50,693 --> 00:55:52,453
Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in

1184
00:55:52,493 --> 00:55:55,373
Speaker 2: my my my life. And it just seemed But that's

1185
00:55:55,373 --> 00:55:58,613
Speaker 2: how that's working. That's the system system working, everyone being

1186
00:55:58,653 --> 00:56:02,293
Speaker 2: involved in each other's lives. Yeah, yeah, thank you, Chris,

1187
00:56:02,333 --> 00:56:02,933
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1188
00:56:02,973 --> 00:56:03,253
Speaker 3: Also.

1189
00:56:04,293 --> 00:56:06,453
Speaker 20: One other thing is I also think, you know, you

1190
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:08,933
Speaker 20: had a text just before a grandmother saying it's the

1191
00:56:08,973 --> 00:56:12,093
Speaker 20: reward you know, of being a parent. But I also

1192
00:56:12,253 --> 00:56:14,733
Speaker 20: I also think the love that a grandparent has for

1193
00:56:14,773 --> 00:56:17,173
Speaker 20: their grandchildren, it's almost like they've had a chance to

1194
00:56:17,173 --> 00:56:18,973
Speaker 20: have a do over. I think when you're a parent,

1195
00:56:19,253 --> 00:56:20,853
Speaker 20: you try and give your kids as much love as

1196
00:56:20,853 --> 00:56:22,172
Speaker 20: you can, and I love my kids to death.

1197
00:56:22,213 --> 00:56:23,093
Speaker 4: But then you've also.

1198
00:56:23,053 --> 00:56:25,453
Speaker 20: Got the stress of life. You've got to pay the bills,

1199
00:56:25,493 --> 00:56:27,453
Speaker 20: you've got to then runder bath, you've got to make

1200
00:56:27,493 --> 00:56:30,213
Speaker 20: sure everything's done, and sometimes before you know, at times

1201
00:56:30,253 --> 00:56:32,933
Speaker 20: just slipped away in three or four or five or ten. Yes,

1202
00:56:33,013 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 20: whereas a grandparents had this is the second chance.

1203
00:56:35,573 --> 00:56:35,772
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1204
00:56:35,853 --> 00:56:38,613
Speaker 20: I love that they're able to pour in. It's just

1205
00:56:38,773 --> 00:56:41,493
Speaker 20: you know, there's no distraction, it's just one hundred percent love.

1206
00:56:41,773 --> 00:56:43,973
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they've probably made some terrible mistakes.

1207
00:56:44,093 --> 00:56:45,293
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1208
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:47,173
Speaker 2: And also they kind of a little bit back from

1209
00:56:47,293 --> 00:56:50,573
Speaker 2: the you know that it's a little bit less stressful

1210
00:56:50,573 --> 00:56:54,133
Speaker 2: for them. They're kind of slightly back from the desperation

1211
00:56:54,253 --> 00:56:55,973
Speaker 2: to make this kid the most perfect thing in the world.

1212
00:56:56,093 --> 00:56:58,653
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen it before. Yeah, Hey, thanks so

1213
00:56:58,693 --> 00:57:00,133
Speaker 2: much for call. Chris, really appreciate it.

1214
00:57:00,133 --> 00:57:00,493
Speaker 3: You're great.

1215
00:57:00,493 --> 00:57:01,053
Speaker 2: New Zealander.

1216
00:57:01,613 --> 00:57:03,493
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1217
00:57:03,533 --> 00:57:04,893
Speaker 3: to call. Coming up, We're going to have a chat

1218
00:57:04,933 --> 00:57:08,293
Speaker 3: with a working grandmother. She's involved with her five grand

1219
00:57:08,413 --> 00:57:10,773
Speaker 3: children every day, So that is coming up. It is

1220
00:57:10,773 --> 00:57:12,013
Speaker 3: twenty five past two.

1221
00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:14,093
Speaker 2: And a Texter who thinks that the robots will sort

1222
00:57:14,133 --> 00:57:18,973
Speaker 2: us out and we don't need to worry.

1223
00:57:20,173 --> 00:57:23,613
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred and

1224
00:57:23,613 --> 00:57:25,773
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1225
00:57:26,213 --> 00:57:30,533
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You the role of grandparents in modern society.

1226
00:57:31,573 --> 00:57:34,613
Speaker 3: The conversation started off with the changes to best start

1227
00:57:34,693 --> 00:57:37,773
Speaker 3: tax credits. So it's going to be means tested. But Matt,

1228
00:57:37,813 --> 00:57:40,973
Speaker 3: you were listening to a very interesting discussion with a

1229
00:57:41,013 --> 00:57:43,453
Speaker 3: man called doctor Paul Turk, who's a pediatrician.

1230
00:57:43,613 --> 00:57:45,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And he was, as I kept saying,

1231
00:57:45,413 --> 00:57:49,213
Speaker 2: he was talking about grandparents and how absolutely hugely important

1232
00:57:49,293 --> 00:57:52,173
Speaker 2: they were in the evolution of human beings. In fact,

1233
00:57:52,213 --> 00:57:54,293
Speaker 2: we only live as long as we do because it

1234
00:57:54,333 --> 00:57:58,013
Speaker 2: was advantageous for humans to have grandparents look after the

1235
00:57:58,053 --> 00:58:00,053
Speaker 2: kids so the parents could do other things.

1236
00:58:00,133 --> 00:58:01,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is.

1237
00:58:01,453 --> 00:58:04,373
Speaker 2: He just argues, it's the most beautiful and perfect thing

1238
00:58:04,493 --> 00:58:09,613
Speaker 2: and it is one of our biggest evolutionary advantages. And

1239
00:58:09,653 --> 00:58:12,093
Speaker 2: so I'm just asking the question, is this something is

1240
00:58:12,093 --> 00:58:14,973
Speaker 2: there is you know, should it be celebrated more? Do

1241
00:58:15,013 --> 00:58:17,253
Speaker 2: we need to remember how great that thing is? But

1242
00:58:17,333 --> 00:58:19,213
Speaker 2: also asked the question, is there something wrong with our

1243
00:58:19,213 --> 00:58:23,013
Speaker 2: economy that it is so hard for us to reproduce ourselves? Debbie,

1244
00:58:23,093 --> 00:58:26,453
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. You're a working grandmar Yes, yes

1245
00:58:26,613 --> 00:58:27,013
Speaker 2: i am.

1246
00:58:27,173 --> 00:58:28,493
Speaker 21: You're really in the hot seat.

1247
00:58:28,293 --> 00:58:29,413
Speaker 12: Today, Hey yeah, yeah.

1248
00:58:29,453 --> 00:58:32,573
Speaker 2: People don't get me this text here are human beings

1249
00:58:32,693 --> 00:58:36,133
Speaker 2: are a cancer on the planet. It's absolutely disgusting that

1250
00:58:36,253 --> 00:58:39,293
Speaker 2: you are promoting more humans.

1251
00:58:38,933 --> 00:58:42,373
Speaker 3: A self hating human that takes the cake.

1252
00:58:42,253 --> 00:58:45,013
Speaker 2: Didn't it? For the person that texted that in is

1253
00:58:45,053 --> 00:58:47,253
Speaker 2: there no one they love? Is no one that they

1254
00:58:47,293 --> 00:58:49,733
Speaker 2: love anyway? Sorry, that's another issue, Debbie. Yes, I am

1255
00:58:49,773 --> 00:58:51,333
Speaker 2: getting a lot of aviews today, but I love it

1256
00:58:51,493 --> 00:58:54,213
Speaker 2: and I love I love talking to people like you, Debbie,

1257
00:58:54,253 --> 00:58:54,933
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1258
00:58:55,933 --> 00:58:58,893
Speaker 21: Yes, I'm a grandma. I'm a South African grandma, so

1259
00:58:58,933 --> 00:59:02,253
Speaker 21: they call me Omar. Have our franks, three in the

1260
00:59:02,293 --> 00:59:05,053
Speaker 21: North Island and two year in the South Island, and

1261
00:59:05,093 --> 00:59:08,133
Speaker 21: i work mornings from nine to two and I'm right

1262
00:59:08,173 --> 00:59:10,813
Speaker 21: now at school waiting to pick up the first grandchild,

1263
00:59:11,293 --> 00:59:15,013
Speaker 21: pick up the second grandchild and take them home, do homework,

1264
00:59:15,133 --> 00:59:19,453
Speaker 21: polish their school shoes, have them shower before mom and

1265
00:59:19,573 --> 00:59:20,213
Speaker 21: dad get home.

1266
00:59:20,253 --> 00:59:22,493
Speaker 6: Because they live with your lives. They've got to work

1267
00:59:22,533 --> 00:59:22,973
Speaker 6: for these.

1268
00:59:22,853 --> 00:59:26,453
Speaker 21: Hours, and it's an honor to look after your grandkids.

1269
00:59:26,453 --> 00:59:29,293
Speaker 21: So I think it's the most special thing that any

1270
00:59:29,333 --> 00:59:32,093
Speaker 21: grands sparent can have. If they can do that, you know,

1271
00:59:32,613 --> 00:59:37,413
Speaker 21: we're reliving for our kids. Yeah, their caller nailed it with.

1272
00:59:37,453 --> 00:59:38,213
Speaker 6: Everything he said.

1273
00:59:38,213 --> 00:59:41,613
Speaker 21: There's hardly anything I think anybody can answer that. It's

1274
00:59:41,653 --> 00:59:44,813
Speaker 21: just you're growing up with them and you are putting

1275
00:59:44,853 --> 00:59:46,973
Speaker 21: a bit of more input into their lives where their

1276
00:59:46,973 --> 00:59:49,133
Speaker 21: mom and dad's on there to do it and guide

1277
00:59:49,133 --> 00:59:51,613
Speaker 21: them in the same way you bought their mom and dad,

1278
00:59:52,093 --> 00:59:55,213
Speaker 21: you know. Yeah, And the questions that they are asking

1279
00:59:55,333 --> 00:59:58,693
Speaker 21: me about their mom when they were younger showed you

1280
00:59:58,813 --> 01:00:01,773
Speaker 21: and that actually takes you back on the journey. And

1281
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:06,093
Speaker 21: it's just it's just there's something that's bat your clan kids.

1282
01:00:06,773 --> 01:00:08,813
Speaker 2: That sounds like you do a lot of work, Debbie.

1283
01:00:08,813 --> 01:00:10,773
Speaker 2: You sound like you're very, very busy with them. Is

1284
01:00:10,813 --> 01:00:12,973
Speaker 2: there any part of you that just wants to sit

1285
01:00:13,053 --> 01:00:16,973
Speaker 2: back and put your feet up and enjoy retirement that

1286
01:00:17,053 --> 01:00:18,173
Speaker 2: at night, that.

1287
01:00:18,333 --> 01:00:20,373
Speaker 21: Night on my weekends when I'm off.

1288
01:00:20,733 --> 01:00:24,093
Speaker 6: But it's it's a labor of love. It's it's being.

1289
01:00:23,893 --> 01:00:26,773
Speaker 21: There to teach those children where their moms and dad's

1290
01:00:26,813 --> 01:00:30,133
Speaker 21: on there to help that. If you get what I'm saying,

1291
01:00:31,253 --> 01:00:32,453
Speaker 21: I think it's a school circle.

1292
01:00:32,813 --> 01:00:34,613
Speaker 2: Yeah. It does it feel it? Does it feel like

1293
01:00:34,653 --> 01:00:37,893
Speaker 2: it's this this the scientists are saying, it's absolutely what

1294
01:00:37,893 --> 01:00:40,093
Speaker 2: we're revolved to be. Does it feel like it is

1295
01:00:40,293 --> 01:00:42,453
Speaker 2: the thing that you should be doing that it's the

1296
01:00:42,933 --> 01:00:45,133
Speaker 2: that it's a purpose for you that you should be.

1297
01:00:45,093 --> 01:00:48,253
Speaker 6: Doing exactly because who else is going to do it.

1298
01:00:50,053 --> 01:00:52,933
Speaker 21: Yeah, you know you want to be make that child

1299
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Speaker 21: grow up and be something in life.

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Speaker 6: And you know that Connel.

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Speaker 21: Get back from school. You know, there's only certain things

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Speaker 21: the school can teach a child. And this is your grandchildren.

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Speaker 21: This is the future of your country, you know, and

1304
01:01:06,733 --> 01:01:09,013
Speaker 21: you want to be Lets me be successful and and

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Speaker 21: and everything else.

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Speaker 6: And learn just learn about life, you know.

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Speaker 21: And I think that's the best way to do it.

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Speaker 21: And be involved even with sports in the afternoon, taking

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Speaker 21: him to net for you, I have rugby.

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Speaker 3: You're a great You're a great grandma, Debbie. We can

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Speaker 3: hear it the passion and loving your voice. You're a

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Speaker 3: great grandma, not a great grandma. Yeah, Yes, you're a

1313
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Speaker 3: fantastic grandmother, not a great great grandmother.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, because I had I had this sort of I'm

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Speaker 22: a grandma, just a grand I think it's important if

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Speaker 22: you have, if you can be part of there's nothing

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01:01:41,813 --> 01:01:43,893
Speaker 22: more rewarding, yea, and being.

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Speaker 6: Part of their lives.

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Speaker 21: You know, it's just it's it's incredible, the best feeling ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you go, Debbie, thank you so much for calling.

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01:01:50,413 --> 01:01:53,133
Speaker 2: Good on you. I say that great grandfather thing because

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01:01:53,133 --> 01:01:56,773
Speaker 2: my sister texted me and said Poppy, which we call

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01:01:56,813 --> 01:02:00,613
Speaker 2: our dad Poppy as a great grandfather. And this has

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01:02:00,613 --> 01:02:02,493
Speaker 2: happened a couple of times. My son got confused with

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Speaker 2: as well, and I went, yeah, he's a great grandfather,

1326
01:02:04,853 --> 01:02:07,813
Speaker 2: but I mean he's great. He is a great grandfather.

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Speaker 3: He's in a grandfather, but.

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Speaker 2: Her daughter had had a child, so he was he

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01:02:11,973 --> 01:02:13,453
Speaker 2: was also a great grandfather.

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Speaker 3: Solateral sense as well, he was also a great grandfather.

1331
01:02:15,653 --> 01:02:18,773
Speaker 2: He's also a great great grandfather. He's a great great grandfather.

1332
01:02:19,053 --> 01:02:20,933
Speaker 2: He's a great great great grandfather.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:02:21,253 --> 01:02:23,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, your life is strange, man.

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01:02:23,213 --> 01:02:26,893
Speaker 3: Oh night eighty ha seen number to call headlines covering.

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Speaker 18: Up you talk, said the headlines with blue bubble taxes,

1337
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Speaker 18: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime Minister

1338
01:02:36,093 --> 01:02:39,693
Speaker 18: is ruling out means testing the pension after the budget's

1339
01:02:39,733 --> 01:02:42,813
Speaker 18: taken the knife to parts of Kiwi Savor and family

1340
01:02:42,933 --> 01:02:46,613
Speaker 18: Best Start payments. Chris Luckson says they want to encourage

1341
01:02:46,653 --> 01:02:49,453
Speaker 18: people to save more, but the pension is also a

1342
01:02:49,573 --> 01:02:53,693
Speaker 18: universal right. The fire is now extinguished at a construction

1343
01:02:53,813 --> 01:02:57,093
Speaker 18: site on Wakefield Street in Central Auckland after a huge

1344
01:02:57,173 --> 01:03:01,133
Speaker 18: response from fire and emergency. A key we studying at

1345
01:03:01,133 --> 01:03:04,973
Speaker 18: Harvard in the US says Donald Trump's administration has told

1346
01:03:05,013 --> 01:03:08,253
Speaker 18: them they must change to a different university or lee

1347
01:03:08,493 --> 01:03:12,893
Speaker 18: the country under threat of being deported. Christ Church is

1348
01:03:12,973 --> 01:03:17,973
Speaker 18: McLean's mansions up for sale, with postquake restoration only ninety

1349
01:03:18,013 --> 01:03:22,173
Speaker 18: percent complete because of a lack of funds. Rents fell

1350
01:03:22,293 --> 01:03:24,973
Speaker 18: across the country in April for a second month, to

1351
01:03:25,053 --> 01:03:28,013
Speaker 18: a national median of five hundred and sixty dollars a week.

1352
01:03:29,133 --> 01:03:34,173
Speaker 18: Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible and the Age of the bladder Buster.

1353
01:03:34,733 --> 01:03:37,533
Speaker 18: You can see Carl Pushman's full column at ends in here.

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Speaker 18: All premium back now to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. That's a great movie. Yeah you

1356
01:03:42,813 --> 01:03:43,773
Speaker 3: loved it, Carl.

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Speaker 2: Pushman can do some pulviric floor exercises if we can't

1358
01:03:45,973 --> 01:03:48,813
Speaker 2: make it through a very very exciting movie. Well, I

1359
01:03:48,893 --> 01:03:50,773
Speaker 2: loved that Mission Impossible movie last night.

1360
01:03:50,853 --> 01:03:52,493
Speaker 3: How it just over three hours.

1361
01:03:52,733 --> 01:03:55,253
Speaker 2: It's just it's like two hours and forty four minuts.

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01:03:55,333 --> 01:03:57,413
Speaker 3: If you can't hold it for that long, you got

1363
01:03:57,413 --> 01:03:59,573
Speaker 3: some issues. You go go see a doctor Carr. That's

1364
01:03:59,613 --> 01:04:02,693
Speaker 3: not right, man, Yeah, you don't need for two hours

1365
01:04:02,693 --> 01:04:03,373
Speaker 3: and see minutes.

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Speaker 2: Does they need someone, Carl, go to the bathroom before

1367
01:04:05,773 --> 01:04:07,453
Speaker 2: you go to the Have you been to the bathroom, Carl?

1368
01:04:07,533 --> 01:04:10,933
Speaker 3: Have you been to the the toilet before the road trip? Anyway,

1369
01:04:11,093 --> 01:04:13,253
Speaker 3: give it a read. I suppose, oh, one hundred and

1370
01:04:13,253 --> 01:04:14,893
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We're talking

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01:04:14,933 --> 01:04:18,573
Speaker 3: about the role of grandparents in society in twenty twenty five.

1372
01:04:19,493 --> 01:04:22,533
Speaker 3: Is it right forward children to lean into grandparents to

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01:04:22,533 --> 01:04:24,773
Speaker 3: help raise their own children? The grandchildren?

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01:04:24,933 --> 01:04:27,093
Speaker 2: And is there something wrong with their economy when it

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01:04:27,173 --> 01:04:31,133
Speaker 2: is so hard for us to replace ourselves? Seems very,

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01:04:31,213 --> 01:04:34,013
Speaker 2: very difficult and expensive to bring up children. This text

1377
01:04:34,053 --> 01:04:36,653
Speaker 2: says society drifts away from the family unit the collective

1378
01:04:37,013 --> 01:04:40,613
Speaker 2: because we're now taught life is about money and material positions.

1379
01:04:40,613 --> 01:04:43,693
Speaker 2: There might be some true in that, And this text says,

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Speaker 2: don't worry. The robot nannies are coming and they will

1381
01:04:46,893 --> 01:04:47,613
Speaker 2: bring up our kids.

1382
01:04:47,613 --> 01:04:48,133
Speaker 3: Do we want that?

1383
01:04:48,653 --> 01:04:51,653
Speaker 2: I think we'd brother have grand granddad and grandma around

1384
01:04:51,693 --> 01:04:52,413
Speaker 2: than the robots.

1385
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: First, my mum Powell, my grandma, she's I spent a

1387
01:05:00,813 --> 01:05:02,373
Speaker 2: lot of time with her when I was a kid. Yeah,

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01:05:02,493 --> 01:05:05,133
Speaker 2: she's way better than robots, exactly. God, she made good

1389
01:05:05,133 --> 01:05:07,813
Speaker 2: pipelets nov Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 14: Thank you, thank you. I'm all for grandparents looking after

1391
01:05:16,213 --> 01:05:19,813
Speaker 14: you know, their their their next generation. I'm a fourth

1392
01:05:20,013 --> 01:05:23,253
Speaker 14: generation New Zealand and my kids. I just wanted to

1393
01:05:23,253 --> 01:05:28,413
Speaker 14: put things in context. You know, we live in a family,

1394
01:05:28,573 --> 01:05:31,733
Speaker 14: my mom and dad. We live in a double story house,

1395
01:05:31,893 --> 01:05:34,173
Speaker 14: me and my wife and the TETs, my father of

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01:05:34,253 --> 01:05:38,653
Speaker 14: three boys and Mam and dad down stays just to

1397
01:05:39,053 --> 01:05:46,613
Speaker 14: share interaction, you know, the fulfillment, feeling, you know, the

1398
01:05:46,773 --> 01:05:51,773
Speaker 14: the love, the transfer of knowledge, caring, all of those

1399
01:05:51,853 --> 01:05:59,253
Speaker 14: great holities and humans actually you know transferred. And it's

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01:05:59,333 --> 01:06:02,733
Speaker 14: not just about just you know them looking after just

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01:06:02,813 --> 01:06:06,653
Speaker 14: the basics and and you know I see that, and

1402
01:06:06,973 --> 01:06:12,773
Speaker 14: especially being off qu Indian background markets being fifth generation,

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01:06:13,333 --> 01:06:16,893
Speaker 14: the language transfer, their cultural transfer. You know, I couldn't

1404
01:06:17,013 --> 01:06:18,933
Speaker 14: do it. I don't have enough time at the moment,

1405
01:06:19,053 --> 01:06:22,053
Speaker 14: just you know, trying to chug myself through the way

1406
01:06:22,173 --> 01:06:26,973
Speaker 14: things are. But like you share, in the morning, when

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01:06:27,053 --> 01:06:30,293
Speaker 14: my three year old, the younger about to go to school,

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01:06:30,813 --> 01:06:34,653
Speaker 14: he wakes up his Gramdmar and you know him just

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01:06:34,773 --> 01:06:38,453
Speaker 14: coming out of the room and just feeling being wanted,

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01:06:38,653 --> 01:06:43,373
Speaker 14: loved and then interacting just all of that when you

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01:06:43,413 --> 01:06:47,053
Speaker 14: see it in front of you. There's no replace for that.

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Speaker 14: You know, Nanny couldn't do it. Nobody could just kind

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01:06:51,573 --> 01:06:56,213
Speaker 14: of put a person who was not from the bloodline.

1414
01:06:56,293 --> 01:06:58,533
Speaker 14: And that is my sight to it. And also the

1415
01:06:58,653 --> 01:07:02,693
Speaker 14: savings are so great, you know, I mean for myself

1416
01:07:03,373 --> 01:07:09,213
Speaker 14: bringing in their equity when making investment decisions. And then

1417
01:07:09,253 --> 01:07:12,893
Speaker 14: when we are discussing, you know, say, in my home

1418
01:07:12,933 --> 01:07:16,693
Speaker 14: a lot of dual political issues. My kids are there.

1419
01:07:17,013 --> 01:07:20,293
Speaker 14: They share the views of the generations who have come

1420
01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:24,693
Speaker 14: before them, and also of the way things are very quickly,

1421
01:07:25,133 --> 01:07:28,773
Speaker 14: you're able to actually, you know, build up a lot

1422
01:07:28,813 --> 01:07:31,613
Speaker 14: of reservoirs where you probably have to do it yourself,

1423
01:07:32,493 --> 01:07:35,973
Speaker 14: you know, in a more strenuous way. I'll put it

1424
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Speaker 14: that way.

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Speaker 2: As an interesting point because they you know, you're describing

1426
01:07:42,573 --> 01:07:44,453
Speaker 2: a really beautiful thing. But I think a lot of

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01:07:44,453 --> 01:07:47,013
Speaker 2: people would think about having their parents move into their

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01:07:47,013 --> 01:07:50,533
Speaker 2: house and being around them all the time. That might

1429
01:07:50,533 --> 01:07:54,653
Speaker 2: cause stress and arguments and disagreements. How the kids should

1430
01:07:54,653 --> 01:07:57,413
Speaker 2: be brought up? Is that your experience or is it

1431
01:07:57,493 --> 01:08:00,373
Speaker 2: is it always harmony harmonious or are their blow ups?

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01:08:02,133 --> 01:08:06,573
Speaker 14: Well, here's what I'll put it, very succinctly. There are

1433
01:08:06,653 --> 01:08:11,053
Speaker 14: certain decisions where they have actually left it to us

1434
01:08:11,093 --> 01:08:14,453
Speaker 14: to make in terms of, you know, the schools they're

1435
01:08:14,453 --> 01:08:16,732
Speaker 14: going to go to, the you know, and and and

1436
01:08:16,933 --> 01:08:21,333
Speaker 14: so it. In terms of some of the very important decisions,

1437
01:08:21,693 --> 01:08:25,732
Speaker 14: they've actually kind of let us do those, you know, chores.

1438
01:08:25,772 --> 01:08:30,212
Speaker 14: But when it comes to many of the simple caring

1439
01:08:30,652 --> 01:08:35,133
Speaker 14: taking them to think that truly, you know, they think

1440
01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:40,732
Speaker 14: they should be exposed to, they take charge. And when

1441
01:08:40,772 --> 01:08:44,173
Speaker 14: they know that, like their health, wives or a lot

1442
01:08:44,213 --> 01:08:46,972
Speaker 14: of other things which they can't really pull their weight

1443
01:08:47,053 --> 01:08:49,572
Speaker 14: into just because of their age, they're very quick at

1444
01:08:49,612 --> 01:08:52,372
Speaker 14: just kind of you know, saying, you know, good your dad,

1445
01:08:52,572 --> 01:08:54,333
Speaker 14: mom looking after you guys.

1446
01:08:54,612 --> 01:08:55,133
Speaker 23: It's great.

1447
01:08:55,293 --> 01:09:00,772
Speaker 14: So so, you know, over the generation, subconsciously we've kind

1448
01:09:00,772 --> 01:09:04,372
Speaker 14: of build certain levels of decision making in the house

1449
01:09:04,652 --> 01:09:07,973
Speaker 14: and that has allowed us to kind of keep that

1450
01:09:08,093 --> 01:09:11,412
Speaker 14: disc since where we feel that they're not interjecting into

1451
01:09:11,492 --> 01:09:15,692
Speaker 14: what basically is like our right to parent. And that

1452
01:09:15,853 --> 01:09:20,372
Speaker 14: has come through like the way my grandparents looked after

1453
01:09:20,452 --> 01:09:23,333
Speaker 14: me as well. And I do a lot of community

1454
01:09:23,372 --> 01:09:25,852
Speaker 14: work outside. I tell you, I want to have been

1455
01:09:25,893 --> 01:09:29,213
Speaker 14: able to make a lot of leading decisions and then

1456
01:09:29,933 --> 01:09:32,053
Speaker 14: commit to them when I'm spending a lot of time

1457
01:09:32,173 --> 01:09:35,333
Speaker 14: if I didn't have a backup like that or knew that.

1458
01:09:35,492 --> 01:09:38,253
Speaker 14: So for me to the society a lot better players

1459
01:09:38,253 --> 01:09:40,173
Speaker 14: as well, where I'm able to actually get that time

1460
01:09:40,333 --> 01:09:43,213
Speaker 14: out of home and contribute.

1461
01:09:43,293 --> 01:09:47,372
Speaker 3: So you know, we've made that. We've made that point

1462
01:09:47,973 --> 01:09:51,293
Speaker 3: a few times over this discussion, that you know, a

1463
01:09:51,333 --> 01:09:54,133
Speaker 3: place like India or lots of parts of Asia that

1464
01:09:54,293 --> 01:09:58,333
Speaker 3: is commonplace where different generations live together, whereas here in

1465
01:09:58,372 --> 01:10:01,133
Speaker 3: New Zealand and Australia, in the UK and the US

1466
01:10:01,173 --> 01:10:03,892
Speaker 3: not quite as common, very very uncommon.

1467
01:10:03,933 --> 01:10:06,173
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, but I mean that's the solution. We talk

1468
01:10:06,213 --> 01:10:08,013
Speaker 2: about how the economy works and stuff. We all just

1469
01:10:08,093 --> 01:10:11,572
Speaker 2: need to live in big, huge houses together instead of

1470
01:10:11,652 --> 01:10:14,932
Speaker 2: siloing ourselves away miles and miles away from each other,

1471
01:10:15,093 --> 01:10:18,173
Speaker 2: just locking out little families and individually. Yeah, and it's

1472
01:10:18,253 --> 01:10:19,692
Speaker 2: kind of a sad way to do it. It is your

1473
01:10:19,732 --> 01:10:22,012
Speaker 2: listening dad, the spare room at our house.

1474
01:10:22,572 --> 01:10:24,692
Speaker 3: Oh on, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1475
01:10:24,732 --> 01:10:27,492
Speaker 3: to call now. I did also mention controversial texts at

1476
01:10:27,532 --> 01:10:29,692
Speaker 3: the at the start of the hour, and I haven't

1477
01:10:29,732 --> 01:10:31,772
Speaker 3: got to that, so I'll read that out very shortly.

1478
01:10:31,812 --> 01:10:33,412
Speaker 3: It is seventeen to three.

1479
01:10:33,532 --> 01:10:34,133
Speaker 2: Good on your nave.

1480
01:10:34,173 --> 01:10:38,732
Speaker 1: What a great call, Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your

1481
01:10:38,772 --> 01:10:41,412
Speaker 1: calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt

1482
01:10:41,492 --> 01:10:44,372
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks Envy.

1483
01:10:44,933 --> 01:10:47,453
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. We're talking about our role of grandparents

1484
01:10:47,532 --> 01:10:52,252
Speaker 3: and raising grandchildren. In twenty twenty five, it is arguably

1485
01:10:52,293 --> 01:10:55,372
Speaker 3: a lot harder for new parents to raise children if

1486
01:10:55,412 --> 01:10:57,932
Speaker 3: they both have to work full time. It's incredibly expensive

1487
01:10:57,973 --> 01:11:00,852
Speaker 3: to get them into childcare. So Texa came through a

1488
01:11:00,893 --> 01:11:02,652
Speaker 3: little bit earlier that I did mention. I'll just read

1489
01:11:02,692 --> 01:11:04,532
Speaker 3: it out now. It says, Hi, guys, I'm a grandparent,

1490
01:11:04,612 --> 01:11:07,213
Speaker 3: and I loathe the expectations I will look after my

1491
01:11:07,253 --> 01:11:09,612
Speaker 3: grandchildren the drop of a hat or at all. I

1492
01:11:09,612 --> 01:11:12,933
Speaker 3: already had my years yet raising young children. This is

1493
01:11:12,933 --> 01:11:15,612
Speaker 3: my time to live without any of that responsibility. I

1494
01:11:15,652 --> 01:11:18,492
Speaker 3: think if my son and daughter in law can't raise

1495
01:11:18,532 --> 01:11:21,253
Speaker 3: them themselves, then they never should have had those children

1496
01:11:21,333 --> 01:11:23,213
Speaker 3: in the first place. Just my thoughts and no, it's

1497
01:11:23,293 --> 01:11:25,293
Speaker 3: controversial now.

1498
01:11:25,333 --> 01:11:27,692
Speaker 2: This is also a controversial text. I agree with the

1499
01:11:28,173 --> 01:11:33,012
Speaker 2: text before about humans. I think they mean humans being

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01:11:33,053 --> 01:11:37,013
Speaker 2: cancer sick of these I think thick of this. We

1501
01:11:37,053 --> 01:11:40,772
Speaker 2: need more children's rubbish code for more right wing voters.

1502
01:11:40,933 --> 01:11:43,093
Speaker 2: We see what you're doing if you can't see that

1503
01:11:43,133 --> 01:11:46,852
Speaker 2: every extra human over their time on the planet will

1504
01:11:46,853 --> 01:11:50,652
Speaker 2: do so much damage that it can't be justified. I

1505
01:11:50,692 --> 01:11:53,213
Speaker 2: will never have kids, and I have talked a number

1506
01:11:53,213 --> 01:11:55,772
Speaker 2: of friends out of it. Absolutely shocked. Matt, who I

1507
01:11:55,853 --> 01:11:58,213
Speaker 2: used to respect, would support the destruction of the planet.

1508
01:11:58,253 --> 01:12:00,972
Speaker 2: No one should be having kids. Look at the weather

1509
01:12:01,013 --> 01:12:02,932
Speaker 2: events that are happening on a daily basis.

1510
01:12:03,053 --> 01:12:07,612
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well okay, I mean so so you know

1511
01:12:07,893 --> 01:12:13,253
Speaker 3: and that I argument, human's gone burger so it's not

1512
01:12:13,612 --> 01:12:16,412
Speaker 3: it's a horrible argument. Yeah, I mean, so there would

1513
01:12:16,412 --> 01:12:20,253
Speaker 3: be no humans. So why you're arguing against your own existence?

1514
01:12:20,572 --> 01:12:23,892
Speaker 2: Who So this person's been going around talking their friends

1515
01:12:23,893 --> 01:12:25,812
Speaker 2: out of having children. Do they not see.

1516
01:12:25,933 --> 01:12:27,853
Speaker 3: Imagine that person at a barbecue.

1517
01:12:28,053 --> 01:12:32,772
Speaker 2: It so weird to have absolutely no love for humanity.

1518
01:12:32,933 --> 01:12:35,412
Speaker 2: Does there no one that they see and go it

1519
01:12:35,532 --> 01:12:37,412
Speaker 2: was good that we had that human there, so you

1520
01:12:37,452 --> 01:12:40,612
Speaker 2: could have a baby that was born that would go

1521
01:12:40,732 --> 01:12:43,612
Speaker 2: on to, I don't know, write the most beautiful song

1522
01:12:44,492 --> 01:12:47,293
Speaker 2: or bring a whole lot of joy to the world,

1523
01:12:47,372 --> 01:12:48,253
Speaker 2: bring everyone together.

1524
01:12:48,293 --> 01:12:52,932
Speaker 3: I know that like the idea there's be some human

1525
01:12:52,973 --> 01:12:56,492
Speaker 3: in your life that you really love. Anyway, thank you

1526
01:12:56,612 --> 01:12:58,132
Speaker 3: very much for the text. You're crazy.

1527
01:12:59,412 --> 01:13:01,572
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's fine you don't like me. I mean,

1528
01:13:01,612 --> 01:13:02,053
Speaker 2: I get that.

1529
01:13:02,293 --> 01:13:02,932
Speaker 3: But put my.

1530
01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:07,492
Speaker 2: Beautiful babies in the world, these more wonderful children running

1531
01:13:07,492 --> 01:13:11,253
Speaker 2: around and playing games, and the laughter and the jokes,

1532
01:13:11,293 --> 01:13:14,692
Speaker 2: and the and the love and the camaraderie and the

1533
01:13:15,532 --> 01:13:17,333
Speaker 2: beautiful humanity of it all.

1534
01:13:17,532 --> 01:13:20,052
Speaker 3: Just discussed this person. Have they never seen a movie

1535
01:13:20,093 --> 01:13:21,812
Speaker 3: that they enjoyed? Have they never heard a piece of

1536
01:13:21,853 --> 01:13:23,612
Speaker 3: music that they really enjoy I mean, that was all

1537
01:13:23,612 --> 01:13:26,053
Speaker 3: created by humans. You might drive a car that was

1538
01:13:26,093 --> 01:13:28,972
Speaker 3: created by a human. I mean, it's a very unusual argument.

1539
01:13:30,013 --> 01:13:34,093
Speaker 2: It's an increasingly popular argument, and it just it's very

1540
01:13:34,133 --> 01:13:35,972
Speaker 2: depressing that it exists. I've got to tell you.

1541
01:13:36,013 --> 01:13:39,733
Speaker 3: It is, Paul. You are helping raise three grandchildren.

1542
01:13:40,812 --> 01:13:42,892
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've got more than more than three grandchild.

1543
01:13:43,093 --> 01:13:48,533
Speaker 4: The three were involved on a daily or by daily basis.

1544
01:13:49,372 --> 01:13:53,652
Speaker 4: We're in the mid sixties, now retired, and we made

1545
01:13:53,652 --> 01:13:56,532
Speaker 4: a conscious decision to move from where we've been through

1546
01:13:56,933 --> 01:14:00,293
Speaker 4: twenty odd years to be closer to the kids and

1547
01:14:00,452 --> 01:14:04,173
Speaker 4: you know, closer to them and just because we knew

1548
01:14:04,213 --> 01:14:05,973
Speaker 4: they were going to do things will going to be

1549
01:14:06,053 --> 01:14:09,253
Speaker 4: pretty tight for them. They've both got really well paid jobs.

1550
01:14:11,133 --> 01:14:15,372
Speaker 4: But it's a part of New Zealand and Cylicago which

1551
01:14:15,732 --> 01:14:19,972
Speaker 4: the housing is not cheap, so the worgage is quite

1552
01:14:20,093 --> 01:14:24,333
Speaker 4: large too. And but the catalyst really was that they

1553
01:14:24,372 --> 01:14:28,333
Speaker 4: had a little boy who was about coming to and

1554
01:14:28,412 --> 01:14:30,852
Speaker 4: she found out she was having another child, which was great.

1555
01:14:30,893 --> 01:14:33,492
Speaker 4: There was marvelous something. It was twins.

1556
01:14:33,973 --> 01:14:36,013
Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow. That would have put a bit of

1557
01:14:36,013 --> 01:14:36,972
Speaker 3: stress on them.

1558
01:14:37,532 --> 01:14:39,013
Speaker 4: Three under three.

1559
01:14:39,333 --> 01:14:39,932
Speaker 22: Wow. Yeah.

1560
01:14:40,652 --> 01:14:41,253
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1561
01:14:41,293 --> 01:14:43,973
Speaker 4: So we have the kids a couple of days a

1562
01:14:44,013 --> 01:14:50,612
Speaker 4: week normally, but it's those other things. Their mother is

1563
01:14:50,652 --> 01:14:53,132
Speaker 4: a professional woman, like she's seen patients all the time

1564
01:14:54,412 --> 01:14:57,572
Speaker 4: and what too. So she ran us at about nine

1565
01:14:57,612 --> 01:15:01,572
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning, she says, one of them a

1566
01:15:01,772 --> 01:15:04,173
Speaker 4: preschool and suddenly he had come down with the bot.

1567
01:15:05,213 --> 01:15:08,692
Speaker 4: So in the car rushing, rush, rush away, pick up

1568
01:15:08,732 --> 01:15:11,333
Speaker 4: the kids, you know, pick up the kid and thank.

1569
01:15:11,133 --> 01:15:12,812
Speaker 3: God, I've got you, Paul. Do you love them?

1570
01:15:13,732 --> 01:15:19,412
Speaker 4: Oh, it's great, it's absolutely marvelous. And we dropped them

1571
01:15:19,452 --> 01:15:21,652
Speaker 4: off or they come and pick them up. We always

1572
01:15:21,652 --> 01:15:23,732
Speaker 4: thank them, and my wife and I always thank them.

1573
01:15:24,093 --> 01:15:28,293
Speaker 4: It's just a real privilege. But then I was when

1574
01:15:28,333 --> 01:15:32,173
Speaker 4: I was a child, our grandfather of my grandfather loved

1575
01:15:32,213 --> 01:15:36,692
Speaker 4: with us as a very oldly man, and so it's

1576
01:15:36,732 --> 01:15:42,412
Speaker 4: a bit of an intergenerational thing, these children's and I

1577
01:15:42,532 --> 01:15:47,532
Speaker 4: believe that heaven, grandchildren will make us live longer. I've

1578
01:15:47,572 --> 01:15:50,852
Speaker 4: just recently lost my father, of my wife's father. He

1579
01:15:52,293 --> 01:15:56,053
Speaker 4: was ninety two or ninety three, but he knew the

1580
01:15:56,093 --> 01:16:04,452
Speaker 4: twins were coming and we reckon. That's what he waited. Yeah,

1581
01:16:04,812 --> 01:16:08,133
Speaker 4: but no, it's great having the kids. It's their job

1582
01:16:08,173 --> 01:16:14,893
Speaker 4: to to teach them about our family. You know, this

1583
01:16:15,053 --> 01:16:17,852
Speaker 4: family history really get a bit older. But you know,

1584
01:16:18,293 --> 01:16:20,812
Speaker 4: but it's great for our daughter and a daughter in

1585
01:16:20,853 --> 01:16:24,092
Speaker 4: law and son. That takes a little bit of pressure

1586
01:16:24,133 --> 01:16:30,452
Speaker 4: off them. And it's we never we just expected that

1587
01:16:30,452 --> 01:16:32,692
Speaker 4: there would be a role in retirement. It was just

1588
01:16:33,053 --> 01:16:35,652
Speaker 4: what we were going to do. We've just got to

1589
01:16:35,692 --> 01:16:38,452
Speaker 4: plan a bit carefully. We're going away.

1590
01:16:39,412 --> 01:16:41,532
Speaker 2: What a beautiful story, what a great New Zealand you are, Paul,

1591
01:16:41,572 --> 01:16:41,892
Speaker 2: Thanks for you.

1592
01:16:41,933 --> 01:16:44,133
Speaker 3: Col Yeah, we're going to play some messages, but when

1593
01:16:44,173 --> 01:16:47,253
Speaker 3: we come back, we'll have a chat to a parent

1594
01:16:47,293 --> 01:16:50,253
Speaker 3: in their thirties and the help they get from their

1595
01:16:50,253 --> 01:16:51,652
Speaker 3: grandparents has been huge.

1596
01:16:51,692 --> 01:16:55,532
Speaker 1: It is eight to three, the issues that affect you

1597
01:16:55,772 --> 01:16:57,972
Speaker 1: and a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath

1598
01:16:58,013 --> 01:17:00,932
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

1599
01:17:02,772 --> 01:17:05,532
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, net Have I pronounced that quickly?

1600
01:17:07,253 --> 01:17:09,293
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's but that's fine.

1601
01:17:09,692 --> 01:17:13,092
Speaker 3: Uh yeah here, get nice to chet. So what's your situation?

1602
01:17:14,572 --> 01:17:16,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I just wanted.

1603
01:17:15,893 --> 01:17:18,812
Speaker 23: To, you know, share some thoughts about the help that

1604
01:17:18,893 --> 01:17:24,133
Speaker 23: I get from my mom with my kids. So both

1605
01:17:24,173 --> 01:17:27,253
Speaker 23: I and my wife worked full time jobs. So having

1606
01:17:27,253 --> 01:17:30,652
Speaker 23: my mom being able to pick up my kids from school,

1607
01:17:31,053 --> 01:17:34,372
Speaker 23: one from fake here and one from primary school and massive,

1608
01:17:34,412 --> 01:17:38,732
Speaker 23: massive health for my wife and I and you know

1609
01:17:38,772 --> 01:17:41,572
Speaker 23: I have, so it gives us a massive piece of

1610
01:17:41,612 --> 01:17:47,052
Speaker 23: mind knowing that someone's out there to support us and

1611
01:17:47,053 --> 01:17:49,692
Speaker 23: and uh, let us focus on our careers at the moment.

1612
01:17:50,692 --> 01:17:52,253
Speaker 23: The other thing is, wow, when I kind of pick

1613
01:17:52,333 --> 01:17:55,452
Speaker 23: up my kids from my mom's house after work, man,

1614
01:17:55,532 --> 01:17:59,333
Speaker 23: my mom's already made dinner for them, and and that's

1615
01:17:59,412 --> 01:18:04,052
Speaker 23: what us huge help. And really noticed that when she's

1616
01:18:04,053 --> 01:18:07,692
Speaker 23: out of the country for a holiday or going traveling

1617
01:18:08,372 --> 01:18:11,053
Speaker 23: for if some were happy, like right now, she's out

1618
01:18:11,093 --> 01:18:13,532
Speaker 23: of the country and I had to leave work a

1619
01:18:13,532 --> 01:18:16,093
Speaker 23: bit early to do trying to get to school to

1620
01:18:16,093 --> 01:18:20,492
Speaker 23: pick up my kids from school. Yeah, yeah, did you

1621
01:18:20,532 --> 01:18:21,052
Speaker 23: share that?

1622
01:18:21,372 --> 01:18:24,253
Speaker 3: And and does she I take it. She really enjoys

1623
01:18:24,253 --> 01:18:27,293
Speaker 3: the time she gets suspend with your kids, the green kids.

1624
01:18:28,213 --> 01:18:31,892
Speaker 23: She loves it. She also requests to bring them over

1625
01:18:32,013 --> 01:18:35,852
Speaker 23: on one day on the weekend, so every Saturday we

1626
01:18:36,173 --> 01:18:38,772
Speaker 23: take them to the kids socially allows us time to

1627
01:18:40,572 --> 01:18:42,892
Speaker 23: with each other and myself and my wife.

1628
01:18:43,013 --> 01:18:46,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ned, you're a lucky man. Thank you very much

1629
01:18:46,412 --> 01:18:48,372
Speaker 3: for giving us a call. I mean that is lovely

1630
01:18:48,492 --> 01:18:52,172
Speaker 3: and what a great discussion. Thank you very much. Yeah,

1631
01:18:52,333 --> 01:18:52,812
Speaker 3: you're a hero.

1632
01:18:52,973 --> 01:18:55,572
Speaker 2: If your grandparent who helps out picking kids up, taking

1633
01:18:55,612 --> 01:18:58,293
Speaker 2: them school, team of sports. You know, I think we

1634
01:18:58,293 --> 01:19:01,052
Speaker 2: should celebrate them taking the kids overnight so the parents

1635
01:19:01,093 --> 01:19:04,652
Speaker 2: can go out. Great New Zealanders. Grandparents are a human

1636
01:19:04,812 --> 01:19:06,532
Speaker 2: superpower and we should celebrate them.

1637
01:19:06,612 --> 01:19:09,532
Speaker 3: Beautifully said. Right, coming up, we want to chat about

1638
01:19:09,572 --> 01:19:15,732
Speaker 3: intercity buses. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1639
01:19:15,812 --> 01:19:18,173
Speaker 3: is the number to call. We're going to chat about buses.

1640
01:19:18,213 --> 01:19:22,652
Speaker 3: Coming up in about three minutes. News seven minutes, newsport

1641
01:19:22,692 --> 01:19:25,772
Speaker 3: and weather coming up very shortly. Great Devy company. As always,

1642
01:19:25,772 --> 01:19:28,772
Speaker 3: you're listening to Matt and Tyler news talks thereb So

1643
01:19:29,492 --> 01:19:33,293
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about buses into city buses more specifically,

1644
01:19:33,452 --> 01:19:36,692
Speaker 3: So we've long as a nation, I think, turned down

1645
01:19:36,812 --> 01:19:41,172
Speaker 3: nose up at the humble into city bus and every week,

1646
01:19:41,732 --> 01:19:44,012
Speaker 3: probably quite rightly, it's fair enough that every week people

1647
01:19:44,013 --> 01:19:47,772
Speaker 3: complain about the price of a regional travel via plane

1648
01:19:47,853 --> 01:19:52,973
Speaker 3: Air New Zealand, specifically five hundred bucks to get to Nelson, crying, screaming,

1649
01:19:53,053 --> 01:19:55,173
Speaker 3: saying it's not fair. This is our national airline. It

1650
01:19:55,213 --> 01:19:57,852
Speaker 3: should be looking after us, but it doesn't. But you

1651
01:19:57,933 --> 01:20:02,293
Speaker 3: forget about inter city buses. Fantastic way to travel.

1652
01:20:02,492 --> 01:20:06,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you want to celebrate the intercity bus. I mean, really,

1653
01:20:06,372 --> 01:20:10,612
Speaker 2: are you traveling from what? Christian Chanelson? Would you do?

1654
01:20:10,652 --> 01:20:11,412
Speaker 2: Christian Chanelson?

1655
01:20:11,652 --> 01:20:15,133
Speaker 3: I have done, christ Chuchan Nelson before City'd beautiful drive

1656
01:20:15,253 --> 01:20:17,213
Speaker 3: it was, and that was when I was a student.

1657
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:19,652
Speaker 3: So quite often when I was going home during the

1658
01:20:19,692 --> 01:20:22,972
Speaker 3: Union holidays and I'd be deathly hungover to just park

1659
01:20:23,053 --> 01:20:26,532
Speaker 3: up outside where the pickup zone was, jump on the bus,

1660
01:20:26,692 --> 01:20:29,293
Speaker 3: go to sleep, and then wake up in Murchison for

1661
01:20:29,372 --> 01:20:31,772
Speaker 3: a pie before I go back to Nelson. Those were

1662
01:20:31,812 --> 01:20:32,572
Speaker 3: the good old days.

1663
01:20:32,732 --> 01:20:34,932
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I e one hundred and eighty ten

1664
01:20:35,093 --> 01:20:38,013
Speaker 2: eighty are into city bus is an option if you

1665
01:20:38,053 --> 01:20:40,053
Speaker 2: can't afford the flights or don't want to spend that

1666
01:20:40,133 --> 01:20:43,412
Speaker 2: much money, do you prefer taking it in a city bus?

1667
01:20:44,532 --> 01:20:47,452
Speaker 2: Tell us about great routes and punishing roots. So one

1668
01:20:47,492 --> 01:20:48,612
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty.

1669
01:20:48,452 --> 01:20:50,572
Speaker 3: Yep, looking forward to this discussion. But right now it

1670
01:20:50,652 --> 01:20:51,892
Speaker 3: is eight past three.

1671
01:20:52,213 --> 01:20:54,532
Speaker 2: Every Friday, mattintil Afternoons on ZB we named the New

1672
01:20:54,652 --> 01:20:56,333
Speaker 2: Zealander of the Week and honor, but we were stow

1673
01:20:56,372 --> 01:20:58,492
Speaker 2: on your behalf to a newsmaker has had an outsized

1674
01:20:58,492 --> 01:21:01,053
Speaker 2: effect on our great and beautiful nation over the previous week.

1675
01:21:01,093 --> 01:21:04,492
Speaker 2: As always, there will be three nominees but only one winner.

1676
01:21:04,692 --> 01:21:07,012
Speaker 2: And remember, like the Time magazine Person of the Year,

1677
01:21:07,093 --> 01:21:09,572
Speaker 2: the New Zealander of the Week isn't always an agent

1678
01:21:09,812 --> 01:21:12,812
Speaker 2: of good. So, without further ado, the nominees for Matt

1679
01:21:12,853 --> 01:21:14,492
Speaker 2: and Tayler Afternoons New Zealander of the Week.

1680
01:21:14,893 --> 01:21:16,053
Speaker 3: AH.

1681
01:21:16,173 --> 01:21:20,133
Speaker 2: Nominee one also gets the massive own Goal Award. Did

1682
01:21:20,133 --> 01:21:22,013
Speaker 2: he exercise his right to free speech in the most

1683
01:21:22,013 --> 01:21:22,972
Speaker 2: base fashion possible?

1684
01:21:23,053 --> 01:21:23,293
Speaker 3: Yes?

1685
01:21:23,492 --> 01:21:25,412
Speaker 2: Did he reveal to the world he needs to spend less.

1686
01:21:25,293 --> 01:21:26,412
Speaker 3: Time on the internet. Probably.

1687
01:21:26,572 --> 01:21:28,532
Speaker 2: Did he humiliate himself in a match of wits with

1688
01:21:28,572 --> 01:21:29,852
Speaker 2: Winston Peters at the train station?

1689
01:21:30,053 --> 01:21:30,333
Speaker 3: Yes?

1690
01:21:30,652 --> 01:21:33,612
Speaker 2: Did he stupidly do it with the company lanyard on Yes?

1691
01:21:33,652 --> 01:21:35,612
Speaker 2: Would he be fun to hang out with? Not so sure,

1692
01:21:35,933 --> 01:21:38,492
Speaker 2: but he did get his employer Tonkin and Taylor's name

1693
01:21:38,532 --> 01:21:41,372
Speaker 2: on everyone's lips. Tonkin and Taylor has never been mentioned

1694
01:21:41,412 --> 01:21:46,013
Speaker 2: so much in their existence. Unnamed angry agis Tonkin and

1695
01:21:46,013 --> 01:21:49,692
Speaker 2: Taylor employee at the Wellington train Station. You and your

1696
01:21:49,732 --> 01:21:52,772
Speaker 2: Tonkin and Taylor lanyard have been nominated for New Zealander

1697
01:21:52,812 --> 01:21:55,812
Speaker 2: of the Week. Tonkin and Taylor, Tonkin and Taylor, Tonkin

1698
01:21:55,853 --> 01:21:58,093
Speaker 2: and Taylor, Tonkin and Taylor, Tonkin and Taylor gold uh

1699
01:21:58,772 --> 01:22:01,532
Speaker 2: nomine two also gets the No Fortnite for You Award.

1700
01:22:01,692 --> 01:22:03,572
Speaker 2: Your birth them wipe their bums and then they become

1701
01:22:03,612 --> 01:22:06,173
Speaker 2: teenagers and you stay up late at night worrying about them. Now,

1702
01:22:06,213 --> 01:22:08,692
Speaker 2: thanks to the NOBS budget, if you have I've done

1703
01:22:08,732 --> 01:22:11,732
Speaker 2: okay in life, it's your responsibility even more than ever

1704
01:22:11,772 --> 01:22:14,133
Speaker 2: to hassle their seventeen and eight year old asses to

1705
01:22:14,133 --> 01:22:15,852
Speaker 2: get off the couch and do something with their lives.

1706
01:22:16,293 --> 01:22:18,892
Speaker 2: Care we parents forgetting your little turns to get off

1707
01:22:18,893 --> 01:22:20,973
Speaker 2: their asses and get a job. You are nominated for

1708
01:22:21,013 --> 01:22:24,852
Speaker 2: New Zealander of the Week Gold one, and the winner

1709
01:22:24,933 --> 01:22:26,812
Speaker 2: also gets the self saucer and suck up to the

1710
01:22:26,853 --> 01:22:29,772
Speaker 2: boss's awards. Here you go, all right. There are hundreds

1711
01:22:29,772 --> 01:22:32,213
Speaker 2: of stations out there, but no one comes close. It

1712
01:22:32,293 --> 01:22:34,372
Speaker 2: was already huge, but against the odds, it's got an

1713
01:22:34,372 --> 01:22:37,452
Speaker 2: even bigger number one again across this great nation and

1714
01:22:37,652 --> 01:22:40,412
Speaker 2: only getting bigger and stronger. The Mothership, the big Dog,

1715
01:22:40,492 --> 01:22:45,293
Speaker 2: the names you can trust, like Ryan, Mike, Kerrey, HDP Marcus,

1716
01:22:45,293 --> 01:22:47,732
Speaker 2: but most importantly the amazing Matt Heath and to a

1717
01:22:47,772 --> 01:22:51,973
Speaker 2: lesser extent, Tyler, the unstoppable broadcasting monster, the hand that

1718
01:22:52,093 --> 01:22:55,213
Speaker 2: feeds the beast news Talk z B for your inflating

1719
01:22:55,293 --> 01:22:56,812
Speaker 2: popularity and paycheck.

1720
01:22:57,093 --> 01:23:00,772
Speaker 3: You are the Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealander of

1721
01:23:00,893 --> 01:23:01,732
Speaker 3: the Week, who.

1722
01:23:04,133 --> 01:23:11,213
Speaker 2: Get them stolen Bella. I've been here six months, well said,

1723
01:23:11,293 --> 01:23:13,012
Speaker 2: well deserved, loving all the listeners.

1724
01:23:13,053 --> 01:23:14,932
Speaker 3: I've been gifted. We'll do it again in six months.

1725
01:23:16,532 --> 01:23:18,173
Speaker 3: Give him my taste to Kiwi z being.

1726
01:23:19,772 --> 01:23:21,253
Speaker 2: Don't forget Darcy water Grade.

1727
01:23:21,333 --> 01:23:22,612
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Darcy as well.

1728
01:23:29,333 --> 01:23:31,732
Speaker 1: Man, Tyler Radams.

1729
01:23:33,333 --> 01:23:36,772
Speaker 3: Well, pretty good winner, if I do say so myself

1730
01:23:36,772 --> 01:23:43,172
Speaker 3: and ourselves fantastic. But we are transitioning to into city buses,

1731
01:23:43,213 --> 01:23:45,253
Speaker 3: and there's been already a few texts that come through

1732
01:23:45,253 --> 01:23:48,293
Speaker 3: about the joys of traveling via intercity bus. So we're

1733
01:23:48,293 --> 01:23:51,412
Speaker 3: taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1734
01:23:52,013 --> 01:23:55,612
Speaker 3: regional travel. Do you or have you gone via the

1735
01:23:55,612 --> 01:23:58,732
Speaker 3: intercity bus recently? And I think you have, Matt.

1736
01:23:58,933 --> 01:24:01,532
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely, See that's what I want to talk

1737
01:24:01,572 --> 01:24:01,892
Speaker 2: about this.

1738
01:24:03,093 --> 01:24:05,772
Speaker 3: See Darcy, there we go. That's all you know.

1739
01:24:06,492 --> 01:24:08,093
Speaker 2: He's the best of us, he is.

1740
01:24:08,412 --> 01:24:11,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's all we want is to make Darcy happy.

1741
01:24:11,213 --> 01:24:12,093
Speaker 2: Good shape, isn't he?

1742
01:24:12,093 --> 01:24:14,692
Speaker 3: Here's in real good shape? Actually, Darcy, can you come

1743
01:24:14,692 --> 01:24:16,093
Speaker 3: back into the winter so we can never look at

1744
01:24:16,093 --> 01:24:17,053
Speaker 3: you and abjict to fire you.

1745
01:24:17,133 --> 01:24:21,133
Speaker 2: Please, it's not Amsterdam. Put them in a window for

1746
01:24:21,213 --> 01:24:22,293
Speaker 2: us to look at anyway.

1747
01:24:22,732 --> 01:24:23,052
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1748
01:24:23,093 --> 01:24:26,652
Speaker 2: So, you know, flew into to Daneda and to see

1749
01:24:26,652 --> 01:24:30,772
Speaker 2: my family and tried to rent a car and couldn't

1750
01:24:30,772 --> 01:24:32,852
Speaker 2: get a car. There's no rental cars available across any

1751
01:24:32,893 --> 01:24:34,893
Speaker 2: of it, and I thought, what am I going to

1752
01:24:34,973 --> 01:24:35,293
Speaker 2: do here?

1753
01:24:35,612 --> 01:24:39,013
Speaker 3: Look at that? Ebbs's sorry that Darcy's Ebbs. People are

1754
01:24:39,013 --> 01:24:39,652
Speaker 3: confused yet.

1755
01:24:39,572 --> 01:24:41,692
Speaker 2: As it possible to have a twelve pack anyway.

1756
01:24:43,452 --> 01:24:45,772
Speaker 3: Right, So you're traveling from Darcy, get out of here.

1757
01:24:45,853 --> 01:24:47,813
Speaker 3: You're traveling from Queenstown.

1758
01:24:48,372 --> 01:24:50,652
Speaker 2: No, no, no. I was underneath and I couldn't get

1759
01:24:50,652 --> 01:24:52,133
Speaker 2: a rental car to go to Queenstown. And I thought,

1760
01:24:52,213 --> 01:24:53,772
Speaker 2: what am I supposed to do? I can't get a

1761
01:24:53,772 --> 01:24:55,772
Speaker 2: rental car. I looked at planes, and the plane only

1762
01:24:55,772 --> 01:24:59,532
Speaker 2: flew Dunedin to bring Christ down to queenste I was

1763
01:24:59,572 --> 01:25:02,652
Speaker 2: going to take forever. It was a disaster. And I'd

1764
01:25:02,652 --> 01:25:05,772
Speaker 2: totally forgotten about into city buses, absolutely forgotten, even though

1765
01:25:05,772 --> 01:25:07,133
Speaker 2: when I was a cat, I was always getting put

1766
01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:09,013
Speaker 2: on into city buses to go o Queen's down, to

1767
01:25:09,133 --> 01:25:11,452
Speaker 2: go skiing and such. And so I thought, oh, I

1768
01:25:11,452 --> 01:25:14,772
Speaker 2: looked at it so incredibly cheap. Got on the intercity bus,

1769
01:25:15,933 --> 01:25:18,973
Speaker 2: sitting up there, up high in this beautiful air conditioned

1770
01:25:18,973 --> 01:25:21,652
Speaker 2: bus with an incredible view, stopped off on Lawrence. I believe,

1771
01:25:21,692 --> 01:25:24,652
Speaker 2: had a delicious pie back on. I had the Wi Fi.

1772
01:25:25,173 --> 01:25:28,372
Speaker 2: I was watching again NFL Live. When I was traveling

1773
01:25:28,372 --> 01:25:32,293
Speaker 2: across there. I was thinking, this is the absolute best

1774
01:25:32,333 --> 01:25:36,613
Speaker 2: way to travel. Yeah, beautiful view, you can see everything,

1775
01:25:37,093 --> 01:25:40,093
Speaker 2: so comfy and not having to go out to an

1776
01:25:40,133 --> 01:25:43,652
Speaker 2: airport and go through security and such. Just hiffed my

1777
01:25:43,692 --> 01:25:48,012
Speaker 2: stuff underneath, dropped me off at the weird arrow arrow junction.

1778
01:25:48,412 --> 01:25:50,492
Speaker 2: So dropped off like Jack Greacher on the side of

1779
01:25:50,532 --> 01:25:53,013
Speaker 2: the road on the gravel with my staff. And then,

1780
01:25:53,053 --> 01:25:55,012
Speaker 2: if you're listening, Tracy, she was really late to pick

1781
01:25:55,053 --> 01:25:56,652
Speaker 2: me up. I was on the side of the road

1782
01:25:56,692 --> 01:25:59,692
Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes. I don't know what she was doing. Yeah,

1783
01:25:59,692 --> 01:26:01,133
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to put up that she's doing it

1784
01:26:01,213 --> 01:26:03,253
Speaker 2: here or something. But apart from that, the whole thing

1785
01:26:03,372 --> 01:26:06,852
Speaker 2: was fantastic, and I thought, have we forgotten about these busses.

1786
01:26:07,053 --> 01:26:09,173
Speaker 3: We've turned our nose up at the into city travel

1787
01:26:09,173 --> 01:26:11,213
Speaker 3: people a lot of people, and I think I was

1788
01:26:11,253 --> 01:26:15,492
Speaker 3: in there for some time. Now that I'm hearing your story,

1789
01:26:15,532 --> 01:26:17,812
Speaker 3: I've changed my tune. Wi Fi is phenomenal, But for

1790
01:26:17,853 --> 01:26:19,612
Speaker 3: a long time there, I would turn my nose up

1791
01:26:19,612 --> 01:26:22,732
Speaker 3: at inter city and think that's the bus. Yeah, No,

1792
01:26:23,692 --> 01:26:25,812
Speaker 3: it's just is that really the way that I want

1793
01:26:25,853 --> 01:26:28,692
Speaker 3: to travel? It's long, it's going to be stuffy, I'm

1794
01:26:28,692 --> 01:26:29,492
Speaker 3: going to be bored.

1795
01:26:30,812 --> 01:26:33,173
Speaker 2: Hey this, someone says, how what does this little discussion cost?

1796
01:26:33,173 --> 01:26:35,412
Speaker 2: Into city bus we're not talking about intercity bus. We're

1797
01:26:35,412 --> 01:26:39,053
Speaker 2: talking Yeah, we've got to be be specifically. I'm we're

1798
01:26:39,093 --> 01:26:41,093
Speaker 2: not talking about the intercity bus, even though that was

1799
01:26:41,093 --> 01:26:43,172
Speaker 2: an intercity bus that I got from Denean to Queenstown.

1800
01:26:43,293 --> 01:26:46,253
Speaker 2: I'm talking about getting buses because there's other bus brands.

1801
01:26:46,412 --> 01:26:49,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can take interregional bus travel.

1802
01:26:49,133 --> 01:26:50,852
Speaker 2: You can get the nude bus. Is it called the

1803
01:26:50,933 --> 01:26:52,412
Speaker 2: nude bus or they used to have the naked bus

1804
01:26:52,412 --> 01:26:54,892
Speaker 2: as the naked bus not exist anymore. No, I went under,

1805
01:26:55,213 --> 01:26:56,852
Speaker 2: I mean they're yeah, they're business case.

1806
01:26:56,973 --> 01:27:00,412
Speaker 3: We're talking. We're talking you all buses, Yeah, interregional buses.

1807
01:27:00,612 --> 01:27:03,532
Speaker 3: Have you had an experience with interregional buses recently? We'd

1808
01:27:03,572 --> 01:27:05,173
Speaker 3: love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1809
01:27:05,253 --> 01:27:07,973
Speaker 3: ten eighty. Plenty of texts coming through, so we'll get

1810
01:27:08,133 --> 01:27:11,093
Speaker 3: a few of those very shortly. Hit is fourteen bus.

1811
01:27:10,812 --> 01:27:13,852
Speaker 2: Three including a bus driver that smells like onions.

1812
01:27:14,013 --> 01:27:18,293
Speaker 3: Interesting, Very good afternoon to you. So we are talking

1813
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:22,253
Speaker 3: about interregional bus travel. There's been so many complaints about

1814
01:27:22,253 --> 01:27:25,652
Speaker 3: the cost of regional air travel. Have we forgotten about

1815
01:27:25,692 --> 01:27:28,452
Speaker 3: the humble bus when trying to get between city to city?

1816
01:27:28,692 --> 01:27:31,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Humble Bus is even better nowadays because

1817
01:27:31,372 --> 01:27:33,092
Speaker 2: on the one I took it, it's got an app

1818
01:27:33,293 --> 01:27:35,412
Speaker 2: track the bus, where it is, how far away it is,

1819
01:27:35,492 --> 01:27:37,293
Speaker 2: where it's going. People see where you're going and send

1820
01:27:37,293 --> 01:27:39,532
Speaker 2: it to you to the people that are picking you up,

1821
01:27:39,532 --> 01:27:41,093
Speaker 2: and they can see exactly when you're going to arrive.

1822
01:27:41,412 --> 01:27:43,652
Speaker 3: The WiFi is a game changer, absolutely that if you

1823
01:27:43,652 --> 01:27:45,852
Speaker 3: want to do some work or you need some entertainment.

1824
01:27:46,133 --> 01:27:48,972
Speaker 2: Although somehow even though Tracy had that, she still didn't

1825
01:27:48,973 --> 01:27:50,333
Speaker 2: pick me up on time when I arrived in.

1826
01:27:50,652 --> 01:27:51,973
Speaker 3: Aratown fifteen minutes later.

1827
01:27:52,093 --> 01:27:56,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, mark your experiences on catching buses between cities.

1828
01:27:57,893 --> 01:27:58,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1829
01:27:58,133 --> 01:28:01,253
Speaker 7: Look, I first heard you guys come on at one

1830
01:28:01,253 --> 01:28:03,333
Speaker 7: o'clock and I ran straight through and they said we're

1831
01:28:03,333 --> 01:28:05,333
Speaker 7: going to talk about children, so should be called at

1832
01:28:05,372 --> 01:28:08,333
Speaker 7: two o'clock. Clearly people wanted to talk about children today.

1833
01:28:08,893 --> 01:28:09,572
Speaker 3: It was popular.

1834
01:28:09,692 --> 01:28:11,212
Speaker 2: Mark my god, that was popular.

1835
01:28:11,973 --> 01:28:15,412
Speaker 7: But the bus amazing. I'm older, I haven't been on

1836
01:28:15,452 --> 01:28:17,812
Speaker 7: a bus, had not been on a bus bar London

1837
01:28:17,853 --> 01:28:20,612
Speaker 7: since I was eighteen years old, which was forty one

1838
01:28:20,692 --> 01:28:23,452
Speaker 7: years ago. You wouldn't get me near them. And two

1839
01:28:23,452 --> 01:28:25,213
Speaker 7: months ago I had to go down to tarn and

1840
01:28:25,293 --> 01:28:27,293
Speaker 7: pick something up and I thought, do I fly down

1841
01:28:27,412 --> 01:28:29,013
Speaker 7: pain in the neck getting to the airport, getting a

1842
01:28:29,013 --> 01:28:31,253
Speaker 7: plane expensive? Do I get someone to.

1843
01:28:31,293 --> 01:28:31,932
Speaker 3: Drive me down?

1844
01:28:32,053 --> 01:28:37,132
Speaker 7: Real hassle? And my daughter had come back from Napier

1845
01:28:37,492 --> 01:28:40,372
Speaker 7: three four months ago on a bus and I said

1846
01:28:40,372 --> 01:28:42,612
Speaker 7: it'd be awful and she's really enjoyed, and I thought, oh,

1847
01:28:42,652 --> 01:28:44,812
Speaker 7: maybe I'd give it a go. So I'd booked the

1848
01:28:44,812 --> 01:28:46,812
Speaker 7: inter city, as I said, a couple of months ago,

1849
01:28:46,812 --> 01:28:49,293
Speaker 7: from Auckland down to TOWERN and I was blown away

1850
01:28:49,933 --> 01:28:52,812
Speaker 7: how good it was. It was interesting people, it was clean,

1851
01:28:53,053 --> 01:28:55,652
Speaker 7: the Wi Fi and as you say, you said a

1852
01:28:55,652 --> 01:28:57,652
Speaker 7: couple of hours ago, the view from the top floor

1853
01:28:58,253 --> 01:29:00,973
Speaker 7: going down the motorway is quite different from sitting in

1854
01:29:01,013 --> 01:29:03,772
Speaker 7: a car. You're way above everything and you look down.

1855
01:29:03,893 --> 01:29:06,372
Speaker 7: I was completely blown away by how good it was.

1856
01:29:06,612 --> 01:29:08,173
Speaker 7: I think people are underestimating it.

1857
01:29:09,093 --> 01:29:09,293
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1858
01:29:09,293 --> 01:29:10,933
Speaker 2: I think people have got an old view of it,

1859
01:29:11,013 --> 01:29:14,973
Speaker 2: that it would be stuffy and sweaty and slow with

1860
01:29:15,093 --> 01:29:18,492
Speaker 2: small windows or whatever. But it's it's panoramic. Now, did

1861
01:29:18,532 --> 01:29:19,892
Speaker 2: you utilize the app?

1862
01:29:21,133 --> 01:29:24,572
Speaker 7: I used the bus? Yeah, But as I said, I

1863
01:29:24,612 --> 01:29:27,333
Speaker 7: was expecting, like you say, something like the old old

1864
01:29:27,333 --> 01:29:29,652
Speaker 7: school buses, which were just awful. But this was the

1865
01:29:29,692 --> 01:29:32,013
Speaker 7: seats were comfortable, there was lots of room because there

1866
01:29:32,053 --> 01:29:33,893
Speaker 7: went a ton of people. There's tourists on there, so

1867
01:29:33,893 --> 01:29:36,172
Speaker 7: I ended up talking to people that you wouldn't normally

1868
01:29:36,652 --> 01:29:40,013
Speaker 7: maybe meet or talk to. And it wasn't slow. I

1869
01:29:40,053 --> 01:29:41,772
Speaker 7: mean we it was meant to be a direct bus

1870
01:29:41,853 --> 01:29:44,013
Speaker 7: to tarer On, but stopped Thames first for half an hour,

1871
01:29:44,053 --> 01:29:47,213
Speaker 7: which was fine, and then went through a different route. Normally,

1872
01:29:47,253 --> 01:29:49,572
Speaker 7: if you're driving, you go down State Highway one and

1873
01:29:49,692 --> 01:29:52,732
Speaker 7: State Highway two maybe or five, whatever it is. But

1874
01:29:53,053 --> 01:29:55,732
Speaker 7: we went a slight back route through little towns which

1875
01:29:55,732 --> 01:29:59,452
Speaker 7: I hadn't seen for probably ever, and it was, as

1876
01:29:59,492 --> 01:30:01,892
Speaker 7: I said, it was quite an eye opener.

1877
01:30:02,013 --> 01:30:05,893
Speaker 2: So that was so that was Auckland to total.

1878
01:30:05,853 --> 01:30:07,652
Speaker 7: Was into taro On it. Yeah. But the other thing,

1879
01:30:07,692 --> 01:30:09,772
Speaker 7: which I said it was amazing was getting If you

1880
01:30:09,933 --> 01:30:11,652
Speaker 7: are getting a bus and you want to get there

1881
01:30:11,692 --> 01:30:14,133
Speaker 7: a reasonable time, you got to go early. And the

1882
01:30:14,173 --> 01:30:16,492
Speaker 7: other thing was catching the ferry at six thirty in

1883
01:30:16,532 --> 01:30:18,572
Speaker 7: the morning from Hobsonville to the city was also a

1884
01:30:18,612 --> 01:30:21,012
Speaker 7: real eye opener. That early in the morning was lovely

1885
01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:23,693
Speaker 7: walking up through town and there's nobody around, no drunkards,

1886
01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:27,813
Speaker 7: it was clean, it was death impressive?

1887
01:30:28,452 --> 01:30:30,572
Speaker 2: How much was that bus via.

1888
01:30:30,732 --> 01:30:32,293
Speaker 7: Fifty two dollars?

1889
01:30:32,452 --> 01:30:34,252
Speaker 2: Tower had to be that?

1890
01:30:34,612 --> 01:30:36,532
Speaker 7: Well, you couldn't drive down for that, as I said,

1891
01:30:36,572 --> 01:30:38,452
Speaker 7: the mate was going to drive me down, and I said, ah,

1892
01:30:39,013 --> 01:30:40,772
Speaker 7: lovely offer, but it's going to cost you one hundred

1893
01:30:40,772 --> 01:30:43,453
Speaker 7: dollars in petrol to get there and back plus a day.

1894
01:30:43,732 --> 01:30:46,652
Speaker 7: I said, let me catch the bus, but grudgingly thinking

1895
01:30:46,692 --> 01:30:48,133
Speaker 7: it was going to be awful. But it was so

1896
01:30:48,133 --> 01:30:50,532
Speaker 7: I said, it was quite a real eye opener.

1897
01:30:50,893 --> 01:30:53,093
Speaker 3: And was that last minute mad because I'm just having

1898
01:30:53,093 --> 01:30:55,692
Speaker 3: a look now Auckland to tron on the inner city

1899
01:30:55,732 --> 01:30:58,853
Speaker 3: bus and the cheapest one here is twenty five bucks.

1900
01:30:59,772 --> 01:31:01,772
Speaker 7: Well, no, it wasn't last month. I was a couple

1901
01:31:01,772 --> 01:31:04,412
Speaker 7: of days out. But yeah, there were some different fares

1902
01:31:04,412 --> 01:31:06,372
Speaker 7: that I suddenly what I was picking up down there,

1903
01:31:06,372 --> 01:31:09,692
Speaker 7: I decided I need to get suddenly, so went down.

1904
01:31:09,812 --> 01:31:11,852
Speaker 7: Yeah they were cheap, but twenty five dollars can't be

1905
01:31:12,013 --> 01:31:15,732
Speaker 7: there six dollars across Auckland to get to town of

1906
01:31:15,893 --> 01:31:19,333
Speaker 7: twenty five. Yeah, it was true.

1907
01:31:19,452 --> 01:31:22,133
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. Thanks you call Mark and see not

1908
01:31:22,213 --> 01:31:24,053
Speaker 2: only see this is why we're talking them up, you know,

1909
01:31:24,093 --> 01:31:26,093
Speaker 2: because there's this article on the paper talking about how

1910
01:31:26,293 --> 01:31:28,092
Speaker 2: you know the option it is if you're complaining about

1911
01:31:28,692 --> 01:31:31,532
Speaker 2: ear fears. But not only is it a cheaper option,

1912
01:31:32,253 --> 01:31:34,253
Speaker 2: I believe it's a great option, especially if you're a

1913
01:31:34,253 --> 01:31:37,412
Speaker 2: scenic route like what Mark's just you know, talking about

1914
01:31:37,412 --> 01:31:40,492
Speaker 2: their or the one I took from Daneen to Queenstown. Yeah,

1915
01:31:40,532 --> 01:31:42,892
Speaker 2: you know you're experiencing it. You're looking out the window.

1916
01:31:42,893 --> 01:31:44,012
Speaker 2: It's panoramic, yep.

1917
01:31:44,452 --> 01:31:46,612
Speaker 3: And to get to enjoy it rather you can just

1918
01:31:47,053 --> 01:31:48,772
Speaker 3: kick back, put your feet up and ever sleep. But

1919
01:31:48,853 --> 01:31:50,053
Speaker 3: like this Stixster says.

1920
01:31:50,213 --> 01:31:52,972
Speaker 2: The Loser cruise, what are you talking about? Everyone farting

1921
01:31:53,053 --> 01:31:54,212
Speaker 2: snoring they're horrible.

1922
01:31:57,173 --> 01:32:02,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they see that's the perception. But also they

1923
01:32:02,253 --> 01:32:03,372
Speaker 3: can't do that in planes as well.

1924
01:32:03,412 --> 01:32:06,452
Speaker 2: Funnily enough, Yeah, well yeah I was farting and snoring

1925
01:32:06,452 --> 01:32:08,293
Speaker 2: on the Loser Cruise or over to Queenstown.

1926
01:32:07,893 --> 01:32:11,013
Speaker 3: But I beat you work. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1927
01:32:11,053 --> 01:32:15,532
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call the intercity or interregional bus.

1928
01:32:15,532 --> 01:32:18,692
Speaker 3: Have you jumped on board recently? And is that in

1929
01:32:18,732 --> 01:32:22,133
Speaker 3: many cases a better way to travel than an expensive

1930
01:32:22,492 --> 01:32:23,293
Speaker 3: regional flight.

1931
01:32:23,612 --> 01:32:25,532
Speaker 2: And Steven's got a great route he wants to talk

1932
01:32:25,532 --> 01:32:27,693
Speaker 2: about coming up after the break fantastic.

1933
01:32:27,732 --> 01:32:29,333
Speaker 3: It is twenty two past three.

1934
01:32:33,412 --> 01:32:37,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1935
01:32:37,692 --> 01:32:38,732
Speaker 1: on youth Talk ZB.

1936
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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is twenty four past three and having

1937
01:32:42,053 --> 01:32:46,053
Speaker 3: a great chat about interregional bus travel long forgotten and

1938
01:32:46,093 --> 01:32:47,932
Speaker 3: a lot of people turn their nose up at the

1939
01:32:48,293 --> 01:32:52,412
Speaker 3: dirty old bus going from city to city, stinky, loud, horrible.

1940
01:32:52,492 --> 01:32:54,772
Speaker 3: But times have changed. You took the bus recently and

1941
01:32:54,812 --> 01:32:55,293
Speaker 3: it was lovely.

1942
01:32:55,412 --> 01:32:57,253
Speaker 2: Oh look, I'm telling you. If you get the right,

1943
01:32:57,732 --> 01:33:00,772
Speaker 2: the right intercity route, you're the right, the right, the

1944
01:33:00,853 --> 01:33:03,612
Speaker 2: right bus, then it can be a beautiful experience, better

1945
01:33:03,652 --> 01:33:05,612
Speaker 2: than flying. Yeah, better than driving.

1946
01:33:05,692 --> 01:33:07,933
Speaker 3: Much chat from the driver or did you leave them be?

1947
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Speaker 14: Oh?

1948
01:33:08,572 --> 01:33:09,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I don't know.

1949
01:33:09,293 --> 01:33:11,213
Speaker 2: When the driver gets on the mic too much and

1950
01:33:11,253 --> 01:33:13,652
Speaker 2: starts describing everything on the way, that can be quite punished.

1951
01:33:14,053 --> 01:33:15,933
Speaker 3: Then it turns into a tour group rather than just

1952
01:33:16,093 --> 01:33:19,933
Speaker 3: just just leave formula. Yeah, leave me, Sally, how are

1953
01:33:19,973 --> 01:33:20,692
Speaker 3: you this afternoon?

1954
01:33:21,412 --> 01:33:25,692
Speaker 25: Hello, I'm fine, thank you. I'm just inquiring. I've got

1955
01:33:25,692 --> 01:33:28,053
Speaker 25: a niece that comes up from the Capiti coast and

1956
01:33:28,133 --> 01:33:31,372
Speaker 25: she doesn't like the tiny planes right, And I'm just

1957
01:33:31,532 --> 01:33:34,053
Speaker 25: wondering if there's a bus from the Capiti Coast to

1958
01:33:34,173 --> 01:33:38,173
Speaker 25: Auckland and how long it takes and what the price is?

1959
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Speaker 2: All right, brilliant, we're oh wait hundred work out your route.

1960
01:33:43,772 --> 01:33:45,253
Speaker 2: That's what we are. We can do that. You've come

1961
01:33:45,253 --> 01:33:48,732
Speaker 2: to the Ry Coast to Auckland bus here we go,

1962
01:33:49,732 --> 01:33:53,892
Speaker 2: happy to help. Yes, so you can Cavity Coast District

1963
01:33:53,893 --> 01:33:57,412
Speaker 2: all start to Auckland Central. Yeah, there's there's It takes

1964
01:33:57,452 --> 01:34:00,652
Speaker 2: ten hours and ten minutes so it's quite quite a

1965
01:34:01,333 --> 01:34:01,972
Speaker 2: quite a ride.

1966
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Speaker 25: Arm.

1967
01:34:04,013 --> 01:34:06,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's there's one that leaves tomorrow at five

1968
01:34:06,213 --> 01:34:10,572
Speaker 2: thirty five am, but we will arrive at seven thirty pm.

1969
01:34:11,732 --> 01:34:12,892
Speaker 25: And what price is it?

1970
01:34:13,213 --> 01:34:14,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's all.

1971
01:34:14,372 --> 01:34:15,772
Speaker 3: I'll just have to look up that there.

1972
01:34:15,812 --> 01:34:17,572
Speaker 2: Actually it's got free WiFi.

1973
01:34:19,452 --> 01:34:21,973
Speaker 3: That's a bonus. So just you know, just mention that

1974
01:34:21,973 --> 01:34:25,012
Speaker 3: to your niece, selly free WiFi. Just why we've tried

1975
01:34:25,013 --> 01:34:25,732
Speaker 3: to be steal.

1976
01:34:26,812 --> 01:34:29,293
Speaker 25: I wouldn't know what the wi fi does.

1977
01:34:32,532 --> 01:34:35,213
Speaker 3: So what sort of price? And we've got here, I've

1978
01:34:35,213 --> 01:34:39,333
Speaker 3: got one. It'd be great on a call scene to Tyler. Yeah,

1979
01:34:39,372 --> 01:34:42,412
Speaker 3: so I've got one here for eighty nine dollars one way.

1980
01:34:43,333 --> 01:34:46,253
Speaker 2: Eighty nine dollars, right, shall I book that them for you.

1981
01:34:49,412 --> 01:34:50,492
Speaker 25: I've got to speak to her.

1982
01:34:50,933 --> 01:34:52,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's okay, and we're getting ahead of it,

1983
01:34:53,173 --> 01:34:54,412
Speaker 2: but tell her ten and a half hours.

1984
01:34:54,412 --> 01:34:56,372
Speaker 3: But she can she can be on the Wi Fi.

1985
01:34:56,612 --> 01:34:58,213
Speaker 2: She can be running a phone, she can take a

1986
01:34:58,213 --> 01:35:02,492
Speaker 2: lot laptop, watch movies. Look out the window, beautiful.

1987
01:35:02,973 --> 01:35:04,692
Speaker 25: What would she do on Wi Fi?

1988
01:35:05,772 --> 01:35:07,973
Speaker 3: She wanted to jump on the internet. She could give

1989
01:35:08,013 --> 01:35:09,253
Speaker 3: you a a video call.

1990
01:35:09,692 --> 01:35:12,213
Speaker 2: She could doom scroll social.

1991
01:35:11,893 --> 01:35:14,293
Speaker 3: Media, she can watch a movie.

1992
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Speaker 20: Okay, thank you for.

1993
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Speaker 2: Your call, Sally.

1994
01:35:17,372 --> 01:35:17,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, good.

1995
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Speaker 2: We offer a lot of services here at Newstalks, he'd

1996
01:35:20,412 --> 01:35:21,133
Speaker 2: be cerently do.

1997
01:35:21,213 --> 01:35:23,092
Speaker 3: That's a good price though for Sally. Eighty nine dollars

1998
01:35:23,093 --> 01:35:25,572
Speaker 3: will for Sally's niece. And as you say, free Wi Fi.

1999
01:35:25,933 --> 01:35:27,972
Speaker 3: If you wanted to upgrade to Gold, it's an extra

2000
01:35:28,173 --> 01:35:30,732
Speaker 3: fifteen dollars. I don't know what gold does. We better

2001
01:35:30,772 --> 01:35:31,772
Speaker 3: find out what gold does.

2002
01:35:34,013 --> 01:35:36,652
Speaker 2: Someone's saying, that's the worst call center I've ever heard.

2003
01:35:36,853 --> 01:35:40,652
Speaker 3: Oh hey, I thought that was all right. Sale seemed debby.

2004
01:35:40,732 --> 01:35:42,412
Speaker 3: I know she's gone by.

2005
01:35:42,572 --> 01:35:44,852
Speaker 2: Look we were anything you need done? You want us

2006
01:35:44,853 --> 01:35:47,892
Speaker 2: to book a restaurant for you at eighty ten eighty

2007
01:35:48,013 --> 01:35:48,572
Speaker 2: come on through.

2008
01:35:48,652 --> 01:35:51,812
Speaker 3: You know, I'll challenge just what else you got. We'll

2009
01:35:51,812 --> 01:35:52,372
Speaker 3: find it for you.

2010
01:35:52,492 --> 01:35:55,012
Speaker 2: I'll send Tyler out in the car to come pick

2011
01:35:55,013 --> 01:35:56,212
Speaker 2: you up and drive you anywhere.

2012
01:35:56,293 --> 01:35:58,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, just take through your address. I'll be there in

2013
01:35:58,093 --> 01:36:01,213
Speaker 3: ten minutes. Right, headlines are coming up. But we're going

2014
01:36:01,253 --> 01:36:03,293
Speaker 3: to carry this on Oh eight one hundred eighty ten

2015
01:36:03,412 --> 01:36:06,612
Speaker 3: eighty into regional bus travel or if you need something booked.

2016
01:36:06,893 --> 01:36:09,213
Speaker 3: We are your your peace, but you need to chet

2017
01:36:09,253 --> 01:36:10,492
Speaker 3: to it as twenty eight parts three.

2018
01:36:10,572 --> 01:36:13,173
Speaker 2: Got a problem with your modem at home? Anything you want?

2019
01:36:13,372 --> 01:36:14,692
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty teen eighty.

2020
01:36:17,492 --> 01:36:21,572
Speaker 18: U talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2021
01:36:21,652 --> 01:36:24,692
Speaker 18: no trouble with a blue bubble. The first round of

2022
01:36:24,772 --> 01:36:28,812
Speaker 18: budget initiatives has passed into law under urgency and a

2023
01:36:28,853 --> 01:36:32,333
Speaker 18: bill including the new Investment Boost tax and Centi scheme

2024
01:36:32,772 --> 01:36:36,973
Speaker 18: and changes to Keiwi Saver and Working for Families. A

2025
01:36:37,053 --> 01:36:41,613
Speaker 18: fire at an Auckland CBD building site appears accidental, potentially

2026
01:36:41,652 --> 01:36:45,213
Speaker 18: from construction work. About fifty fire fighters were called in

2027
01:36:45,253 --> 01:36:48,453
Speaker 18: fifteen trucks after the blaze broke out on the sixteenth

2028
01:36:48,452 --> 01:36:53,133
Speaker 18: floor plant room, producing a lot of smoke. David Seymour's

2029
01:36:53,133 --> 01:36:56,972
Speaker 18: Regulatory Standards Bill is going through its first reading in Parliament,

2030
01:36:57,213 --> 01:37:00,573
Speaker 18: which he says we'll give his ministry similar powers to Treasury.

2031
01:37:01,492 --> 01:37:03,732
Speaker 18: Police are asking anyone who's had a run in with

2032
01:37:03,772 --> 01:37:07,692
Speaker 18: a Todonger driver pictured in social media posts pulling a

2033
01:37:07,772 --> 01:37:11,812
Speaker 18: knife at fellow motorists to contact them. The bill for

2034
01:37:11,893 --> 01:37:16,492
Speaker 18: christ Churches new Party Chioti Recreation and Sports Center has

2035
01:37:16,652 --> 01:37:19,972
Speaker 18: doubled over time to half a billion dollars. It's due

2036
01:37:20,013 --> 01:37:23,173
Speaker 18: to open late this year. Why your child is a

2037
01:37:23,213 --> 01:37:26,412
Speaker 18: picky eater and what parents can do about it? See

2038
01:37:26,412 --> 01:37:29,372
Speaker 18: the story at NZ Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan

2039
01:37:29,452 --> 01:37:30,692
Speaker 18: Tyler Adams.

2040
01:37:30,213 --> 01:37:32,532
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about the inter

2041
01:37:32,973 --> 01:37:34,612
Speaker 3: regional bus travel.

2042
01:37:34,293 --> 01:37:36,133
Speaker 2: And look, we tried to help a caller who ran

2043
01:37:36,253 --> 01:37:39,093
Speaker 2: through and wanted to know about a bus from the

2044
01:37:39,173 --> 01:37:42,452
Speaker 2: Cavity Cavity Coast booklib yep, and we tried to help

2045
01:37:42,452 --> 01:37:44,732
Speaker 2: out and all we've got is nothing but abuse for

2046
01:37:44,812 --> 01:37:46,213
Speaker 2: our attempts at a call center.

2047
01:37:46,333 --> 01:37:50,372
Speaker 3: Questioning your mathematics, questioning my price guide.

2048
01:37:50,173 --> 01:37:52,372
Speaker 2: Five point thirty am to seven thirty pm is not

2049
01:37:52,412 --> 01:37:55,092
Speaker 2: ten hours, you muppet on a bus, It's fourteen hours.

2050
01:37:55,372 --> 01:37:58,492
Speaker 2: Poor call Center operation, just running what you think my

2051
01:37:58,732 --> 01:38:01,692
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eighth Corolla would be worth well?

2052
01:38:01,692 --> 01:38:04,572
Speaker 3: Of Hell a look, and we've got our price guide

2053
01:38:04,612 --> 01:38:05,892
Speaker 3: here for you. So I've just had a look at

2054
01:38:05,933 --> 01:38:09,652
Speaker 3: trade me and there's two nineteen ninety Toyota Corolla GI's

2055
01:38:09,692 --> 01:38:12,692
Speaker 3: for sale. One's got an asking price of five thousand

2056
01:38:12,692 --> 01:38:14,452
Speaker 3: and the other's got an asking price of twenty eight

2057
01:38:14,572 --> 01:38:16,213
Speaker 3: hundred s. There you go. So, there you go.

2058
01:38:16,253 --> 01:38:18,813
Speaker 2: Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Matton Tyler Afternoons

2059
01:38:18,812 --> 01:38:22,693
Speaker 2: Billing and Payments, Technical Support, account management, Orders and Deliveries

2060
01:38:22,732 --> 01:38:27,052
Speaker 2: will book your transport service requests, complaints and feedback, general inquiries,

2061
01:38:27,093 --> 01:38:29,013
Speaker 2: emergency ports. Whatever you want, we can do that on

2062
01:38:29,013 --> 01:38:30,173
Speaker 2: our eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

2063
01:38:30,213 --> 01:38:33,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do it all. But your mass is terrible.

2064
01:38:33,333 --> 01:38:36,213
Speaker 2: Boys, I'm never using your call center, okay, all right,

2065
01:38:36,213 --> 01:38:38,452
Speaker 2: Oh we did get that wrong, all right, Okay, on.

2066
01:38:38,692 --> 01:38:41,053
Speaker 3: I say we were methletes, Well actually you were a methlete.

2067
01:38:40,973 --> 01:38:41,892
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, all.

2068
01:38:41,893 --> 01:38:43,812
Speaker 2: Right, Andrea, welcome to the show.

2069
01:38:44,572 --> 01:38:47,053
Speaker 26: Oh hi guys, thank you for taking my call. I

2070
01:38:47,093 --> 01:38:49,333
Speaker 26: was just ringing. We had a we were driving from

2071
01:38:49,412 --> 01:38:52,652
Speaker 26: christ Church to Auckland and our car actually broke down

2072
01:38:53,812 --> 01:38:55,333
Speaker 26: just out of the hunt of us. So we had

2073
01:38:55,372 --> 01:38:58,293
Speaker 26: to get to Kaikota and we had to try and

2074
01:38:58,333 --> 01:39:00,492
Speaker 26: make it to the ferry, and we ended up in

2075
01:39:00,532 --> 01:39:03,972
Speaker 26: booking the inter city last minute. And it was a pleasure,

2076
01:39:04,133 --> 01:39:07,412
Speaker 26: Like you were saying Tyler earlier. You know, we could

2077
01:39:07,652 --> 01:39:10,372
Speaker 26: actually see the coastline. So in the car you can't

2078
01:39:10,372 --> 01:39:13,692
Speaker 26: see much, but traveling along the Kura coastline all the

2079
01:39:13,692 --> 01:39:15,732
Speaker 26: way through the pict and was magnificent and I've got

2080
01:39:15,772 --> 01:39:17,013
Speaker 26: to say quite surprising.

2081
01:39:17,612 --> 01:39:20,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how long How long is that journey?

2082
01:39:22,652 --> 01:39:25,412
Speaker 26: I can't remember, two three hours? I can't remember now

2083
01:39:25,772 --> 01:39:27,492
Speaker 26: because we were a bit stunned. We were supposed to

2084
01:39:27,532 --> 01:39:30,412
Speaker 26: be driving and next minute we can you believe we

2085
01:39:30,452 --> 01:39:34,892
Speaker 26: had two bus ferry and flying home instead of driving.

2086
01:39:35,133 --> 01:39:38,892
Speaker 26: It quite a startling incidents, but you know, I have

2087
01:39:38,933 --> 01:39:40,652
Speaker 26: to say it was actually went without a hitch for me.

2088
01:39:40,933 --> 01:39:45,053
Speaker 26: We walked our way to the Fairy and incredible. I mean, yeah,

2089
01:39:45,093 --> 01:39:47,172
Speaker 26: that just really surprising.

2090
01:39:47,372 --> 01:39:49,013
Speaker 2: That must be one of the most lovely routes in

2091
01:39:49,053 --> 01:39:51,173
Speaker 2: the world. Though absolutelyiful.

2092
01:39:51,692 --> 01:39:53,812
Speaker 26: A few stops on the way yet watch were you know,

2093
01:39:53,893 --> 01:39:56,372
Speaker 26: like you've got to accept that if you're on a bus.

2094
01:39:56,692 --> 01:39:58,572
Speaker 26: But you know, we had no other way of getting

2095
01:39:58,572 --> 01:40:00,253
Speaker 26: there's no uber sitting.

2096
01:40:00,133 --> 01:40:04,933
Speaker 3: High, sitting up high, huge windows watching the coast to

2097
01:40:04,973 --> 01:40:06,693
Speaker 3: see a couple of seals, but of wildlife.

2098
01:40:06,772 --> 01:40:09,532
Speaker 26: Yeah, we saw did see quite a lot of a

2099
01:40:09,572 --> 01:40:12,213
Speaker 26: lot of stuff. So, and because now it's quite overgrowing,

2100
01:40:12,293 --> 01:40:14,333
Speaker 26: you don't see much in the car. So you know,

2101
01:40:14,412 --> 01:40:16,052
Speaker 26: back in the day when they were doing all the work,

2102
01:40:16,333 --> 01:40:19,333
Speaker 26: it was quite interesting driving along looking at it. But

2103
01:40:19,612 --> 01:40:24,452
Speaker 26: now it's overgrowing and you don't see it. Yeah, so buses,

2104
01:40:24,572 --> 01:40:26,532
Speaker 26: you know, you're just so much higher up. So yeah,

2105
01:40:26,532 --> 01:40:28,053
Speaker 26: I could really really recommend it.

2106
01:40:28,173 --> 01:40:30,772
Speaker 2: Andrea, this is what I'm saying. You know, it's because

2107
01:40:30,772 --> 01:40:32,213
Speaker 2: people look at the bus and they go, oh, it's

2108
01:40:32,253 --> 01:40:34,812
Speaker 2: slumming it. We're on the loser cruiser, you know, we

2109
01:40:34,812 --> 01:40:36,812
Speaker 2: we this is the worst thing that could possibly happen.

2110
01:40:36,893 --> 01:40:39,972
Speaker 3: But you were any.

2111
01:40:39,812 --> 01:40:42,932
Speaker 26: Stinky people either, you know, it was stink free, so.

2112
01:40:43,412 --> 01:40:44,173
Speaker 4: Yeah it was.

2113
01:40:44,213 --> 01:40:46,372
Speaker 26: It's got thumbs up from us. So and it was

2114
01:40:46,412 --> 01:40:48,412
Speaker 26: easy to bock. We just bopped online and we were

2115
01:40:48,412 --> 01:40:51,532
Speaker 26: on We weren't on the Gold and you know, I

2116
01:40:51,532 --> 01:40:52,812
Speaker 26: don't know what the Gold did either.

2117
01:40:53,053 --> 01:40:56,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, we better find out. What is how many people

2118
01:40:56,053 --> 01:40:57,812
Speaker 3: were on board? Indrea was it was it a for rate.

2119
01:40:58,372 --> 01:41:01,372
Speaker 26: There were three of us, but halfhol Yes, I sort

2120
01:41:01,372 --> 01:41:03,093
Speaker 26: of packed people up along the way. I didn't know

2121
01:41:03,093 --> 01:41:04,812
Speaker 26: there were so many stops on the way. They picked

2122
01:41:04,853 --> 01:41:08,173
Speaker 26: on from Cookuta. But that's okay.

2123
01:41:08,412 --> 01:41:10,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you go, this is this is what I'm

2124
01:41:10,213 --> 01:41:10,892
Speaker 2: saying Tyler.

2125
01:41:11,173 --> 01:41:11,372
Speaker 3: Now.

2126
01:41:11,412 --> 01:41:14,092
Speaker 2: Before I was saying that I caught the bus from

2127
01:41:14,213 --> 01:41:18,612
Speaker 2: from Dunedin over to Queenstown and absolutely beautif Ara town.

2128
01:41:18,772 --> 01:41:21,652
Speaker 2: But the only downside was that the person that was

2129
01:41:21,652 --> 01:41:23,492
Speaker 2: supposed to pick me up wasn't there when I arrived.

2130
01:41:23,492 --> 01:41:24,572
Speaker 2: So I was abandoned on the road.

2131
01:41:24,732 --> 01:41:26,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it sounded rough to be honest.

2132
01:41:26,372 --> 01:41:29,452
Speaker 2: So you know when we come back, Actually that person

2133
01:41:29,572 --> 01:41:31,612
Speaker 2: abandoned me. My partner Tracy, she heard me say that.

2134
01:41:31,652 --> 01:41:33,652
Speaker 2: And I just always seems to happen when I say

2135
01:41:33,652 --> 01:41:36,092
Speaker 2: these things that she just happens. What the three minutes

2136
01:41:36,133 --> 01:41:38,412
Speaker 2: she accidentally hears the show every day she has simply listen,

2137
01:41:38,492 --> 01:41:41,213
Speaker 2: So I might actually share this quite abusive back and

2138
01:41:41,253 --> 01:41:41,972
Speaker 2: forth that I've got.

2139
01:41:42,093 --> 01:41:44,732
Speaker 3: Oh, this is going to be good. It's twenty four

2140
01:41:44,772 --> 01:41:45,293
Speaker 3: to four.

2141
01:41:47,253 --> 01:41:51,612
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

2142
01:41:51,652 --> 01:41:54,933
Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk ZEDB.

2143
01:41:55,893 --> 01:41:58,612
Speaker 3: News Talks EDB and we are talking about into regional

2144
01:41:58,652 --> 01:42:02,532
Speaker 3: bus travel. Now, before the break, you mentioned situation you

2145
01:42:02,652 --> 01:42:05,812
Speaker 3: found yourself and or a person put you in a

2146
01:42:05,853 --> 01:42:08,092
Speaker 3: situation that sounded pretty rough to be honest, mate.

2147
01:42:08,013 --> 01:42:10,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what. So I got a bus over,

2148
01:42:10,333 --> 01:42:13,932
Speaker 2: as I said before, from Denein to Queenstown and over

2149
01:42:13,933 --> 01:42:16,213
Speaker 2: to Oratown actually to be precise, and it was wonderful.

2150
01:42:16,253 --> 01:42:18,012
Speaker 2: Every part of it was good. At the the person

2151
01:42:18,053 --> 01:42:20,932
Speaker 2: that was picking me up was late to pick me up,

2152
01:42:20,933 --> 01:42:22,572
Speaker 2: so I was left abandoned on the side of the

2153
01:42:22,652 --> 01:42:26,452
Speaker 2: road and just so happened that the person's supposed to

2154
01:42:26,452 --> 01:42:28,452
Speaker 2: pick me up. My partner, Tracy, has happened to be

2155
01:42:28,492 --> 01:42:31,892
Speaker 2: listening just before and so she's texted me, I heard

2156
01:42:31,893 --> 01:42:34,133
Speaker 2: that you dick, right, Okay, So I'm going to read

2157
01:42:34,133 --> 01:42:36,812
Speaker 2: out this thread. Okay, fantastic, Here we thread of what

2158
01:42:37,213 --> 01:42:38,692
Speaker 2: you have to what I have to put up with

2159
01:42:38,692 --> 01:42:41,372
Speaker 2: in my life, the way I'm mistreated in my family.

2160
01:42:42,013 --> 01:42:44,892
Speaker 2: I heard that you dick. You needed to hear it.

2161
01:42:44,933 --> 01:42:47,612
Speaker 2: You abandoned me, I replied. You were on the road

2162
01:42:47,612 --> 01:42:51,333
Speaker 2: for five minutes, more like half an hour. You're pathetic.

2163
01:42:52,133 --> 01:42:56,012
Speaker 2: I could have been murdered. Come on, I'm not Jack Reacher.

2164
01:42:56,013 --> 01:42:57,852
Speaker 2: I can't jump off a bus on a gravel road

2165
01:42:57,893 --> 01:42:59,852
Speaker 2: and make my way into a small town and silver

2166
01:42:59,853 --> 01:43:03,173
Speaker 2: a murder. You really need to let this go. You

2167
01:43:03,253 --> 01:43:04,812
Speaker 2: need to pick me up in time were you're doing

2168
01:43:04,812 --> 01:43:09,173
Speaker 2: your heir piffed, I'm going to read this out on here.

2169
01:43:09,293 --> 01:43:11,452
Speaker 2: You better not. So that's the and.

2170
01:43:11,333 --> 01:43:14,692
Speaker 3: That's where it's needed for now, for now, okay, right

2171
01:43:14,732 --> 01:43:18,572
Speaker 3: to be continued. Oh this is good, This is really good.

2172
01:43:18,812 --> 01:43:20,173
Speaker 3: But you could have been murdered. To be honest, you

2173
01:43:20,173 --> 01:43:22,692
Speaker 3: were right about that. She put you in danger junction.

2174
01:43:22,893 --> 01:43:25,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the side of the road with my suitcase.

2175
01:43:25,933 --> 01:43:29,333
Speaker 3: Like Jack Reacher, anything can happen in Arrowtown. We know that. Mary.

2176
01:43:29,372 --> 01:43:30,012
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

2177
01:43:30,933 --> 01:43:31,013
Speaker 7: Hi.

2178
01:43:32,812 --> 01:43:38,492
Speaker 12: I a good chuckle listening to the what's been going

2179
01:43:38,532 --> 01:43:40,213
Speaker 12: on on your show this afternoon?

2180
01:43:40,612 --> 01:43:41,972
Speaker 3: Oh thank you for tuning in, Mary.

2181
01:43:42,572 --> 01:43:47,413
Speaker 12: That's all right. I like the topic of the intercity buses.

2182
01:43:48,492 --> 01:43:51,213
Speaker 12: I've used a lot from it over over the years

2183
01:43:51,253 --> 01:43:54,892
Speaker 12: since I've been in New Zealand, I've been all over

2184
01:43:54,933 --> 01:43:59,333
Speaker 12: the place. I've been mainly Awkland to Wellington and well

2185
01:43:59,333 --> 01:44:04,052
Speaker 12: Wellington's Auckland and Aukland to Wellington. I've done the pict

2186
01:44:04,133 --> 01:44:10,333
Speaker 12: into christ Church pict and need into the all. Yeah,

2187
01:44:10,452 --> 01:44:11,932
Speaker 12: quite a few of them all over the place.

2188
01:44:12,133 --> 01:44:14,652
Speaker 3: The Auckland Wellington one must have been quite a journey,

2189
01:44:14,853 --> 01:44:15,572
Speaker 3: was it, Mary.

2190
01:44:16,053 --> 01:44:19,333
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's twelve twelve hours? Yeah, wow, I haven't got

2191
01:44:19,333 --> 01:44:23,253
Speaker 12: anybody to please, so it doesn't bother me to take

2192
01:44:23,293 --> 01:44:25,012
Speaker 12: a day traveling up somewhere.

2193
01:44:25,213 --> 01:44:26,852
Speaker 3: Did you get to sleep on the bus and a

2194
01:44:26,933 --> 01:44:28,173
Speaker 3: twelve hour journey like that?

2195
01:44:29,692 --> 01:44:33,892
Speaker 12: Sometimes? But I enjoyed the enjoy the scenery. You get

2196
01:44:33,933 --> 01:44:37,333
Speaker 12: off a few times. It's been quite a while since

2197
01:44:37,372 --> 01:44:40,612
Speaker 12: I've been up. Last time I went up was Elton

2198
01:44:40,692 --> 01:44:45,092
Speaker 12: John's last concert. Nice it didn't happen.

2199
01:44:45,253 --> 01:44:47,812
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. I apologize for saying nice. That

2200
01:44:47,933 --> 01:44:48,852
Speaker 3: wasn't so nice.

2201
01:44:48,973 --> 01:44:51,892
Speaker 12: The one that go round out faited never to see

2202
01:44:51,973 --> 01:44:54,213
Speaker 12: him because the time I went up to see him

2203
01:44:54,253 --> 01:44:56,012
Speaker 12: before he collapsed on stage.

2204
01:44:56,572 --> 01:44:58,213
Speaker 3: Yeah right, that's right, that's right.

2205
01:44:58,293 --> 01:45:03,213
Speaker 2: Yeah he had the walking Yeah yeah, walking the moment,

2206
01:45:04,053 --> 01:45:07,133
Speaker 2: I don't know what walking. I'm still convents that was

2207
01:45:07,173 --> 01:45:08,213
Speaker 2: out and John that book COVID and.

2208
01:45:08,213 --> 01:45:12,012
Speaker 3: You the other. Yeah. And there's quite a few people

2209
01:45:12,053 --> 01:45:16,493
Speaker 3: teaching through about upgrading to gold. Apparently you get beautiful

2210
01:45:16,652 --> 01:45:19,133
Speaker 3: leather reclining seats for gold. Right.

2211
01:45:19,692 --> 01:45:22,492
Speaker 2: Yes, is this true that there's no bathrooms on buses?

2212
01:45:22,532 --> 01:45:24,293
Speaker 2: I thought there was a bathroom. One of the problems

2213
01:45:24,293 --> 01:45:26,333
Speaker 2: within the city bus travels. There are no toilets on

2214
01:45:26,372 --> 01:45:28,572
Speaker 2: board trains would be a better option as our planes.

2215
01:45:28,612 --> 01:45:30,852
Speaker 3: I don't know. We call carle pushman and find out.

2216
01:45:30,893 --> 01:45:33,612
Speaker 3: Surely that guy needs a few toilet brakes on the bus.

2217
01:45:34,013 --> 01:45:35,812
Speaker 3: I imagine there is, though there used to be, right,

2218
01:45:35,812 --> 01:45:38,493
Speaker 3: there used to be a little tiny sort of airplane

2219
01:45:38,532 --> 01:45:39,652
Speaker 3: toilet right in the back.

2220
01:45:40,133 --> 01:45:42,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Like I've got an incredibly strong

2221
01:45:42,372 --> 01:45:45,612
Speaker 2: pelvic floor, so those kind of things don't worry me. Jane,

2222
01:45:45,612 --> 01:45:46,333
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

2223
01:45:47,732 --> 01:45:51,532
Speaker 10: Oh hello, Mike. I traveled from Wellington to Parming and

2224
01:45:51,652 --> 01:45:53,932
Speaker 10: back again and there are no toilets.

2225
01:45:54,093 --> 01:45:56,652
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for all right, Okay, thank you for

2226
01:45:56,692 --> 01:45:57,412
Speaker 2: filling me in on that.

2227
01:45:58,732 --> 01:46:00,412
Speaker 3: And how did that work? I mean, did that make

2228
01:46:00,452 --> 01:46:02,933
Speaker 3: it a bit difficult? Clearly, you know. I mean the

2229
01:46:02,933 --> 01:46:05,013
Speaker 3: bus driver gives you an update on where you're going

2230
01:46:05,053 --> 01:46:06,492
Speaker 3: to stop for a bit of a break, but where

2231
01:46:06,532 --> 01:46:07,253
Speaker 3: there're that many.

2232
01:46:07,093 --> 01:46:09,973
Speaker 10: Between a party were Jennny, there were no breaks. They

2233
01:46:09,973 --> 01:46:12,492
Speaker 10: would stop to pick people up. You wouldn't allowed to

2234
01:46:12,492 --> 01:46:13,692
Speaker 10: get out to go to the so.

2235
01:46:14,053 --> 01:46:17,413
Speaker 3: You went from Palme to We're Sorry to Wellington.

2236
01:46:17,532 --> 01:46:20,652
Speaker 10: So but that's over two hours. Wow for me, that's

2237
01:46:20,732 --> 01:46:21,213
Speaker 10: quite a lot.

2238
01:46:21,532 --> 01:46:22,412
Speaker 8: I like my coffee.

2239
01:46:22,612 --> 01:46:27,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right enough, right, So I guess is it

2240
01:46:27,572 --> 01:46:30,652
Speaker 2: awkward to know? Why aren't there bathrooms on the buses?

2241
01:46:30,652 --> 01:46:33,772
Speaker 3: That's interest there's space.

2242
01:46:34,532 --> 01:46:36,173
Speaker 2: Actually, now I think about it, where woul the bathroom be?

2243
01:46:36,293 --> 01:46:37,333
Speaker 2: There is no bathroom in the bus?

2244
01:46:37,333 --> 01:46:38,052
Speaker 3: What am I thinking about?

2245
01:46:38,333 --> 01:46:39,652
Speaker 2: I'm picturing the ones on planes?

2246
01:46:39,692 --> 01:46:42,492
Speaker 3: I'm sure maybe I am thinking of planes. I just

2247
01:46:42,492 --> 01:46:44,452
Speaker 3: saw you go to the back of the bus and

2248
01:46:44,452 --> 01:46:46,812
Speaker 3: then you open this tiny little door and there's a

2249
01:46:46,853 --> 01:46:48,732
Speaker 3: toilet sitting there, but a boat.

2250
01:46:48,893 --> 01:46:50,532
Speaker 2: Where did you go to the toilet on the bus?

2251
01:46:51,333 --> 01:46:54,173
Speaker 3: It's good you just when I was really hungover. So

2252
01:46:54,213 --> 01:46:55,972
Speaker 3: maybe did you just go and sit in the back

2253
01:46:56,013 --> 01:46:58,052
Speaker 3: seat in the middle of nowhere?

2254
01:46:58,053 --> 01:46:59,732
Speaker 2: Maybe there was something to do with so you would

2255
01:46:59,772 --> 01:47:04,133
Speaker 2: recommends bus journeys apart from the bathrooms, Jane, Yeah, But.

2256
01:47:04,572 --> 01:47:07,572
Speaker 10: Do people get sick reading or or playing on their computer.

2257
01:47:07,732 --> 01:47:11,013
Speaker 10: I didn't that because I thought I might throw up.

2258
01:47:11,133 --> 01:47:12,932
Speaker 10: But no, other people not to have that.

2259
01:47:12,933 --> 01:47:14,173
Speaker 3: Problem, Not me, Not me.

2260
01:47:14,293 --> 01:47:16,933
Speaker 2: I watched a full game of American football on that

2261
01:47:17,093 --> 01:47:19,692
Speaker 2: on the bus ride I was talking about and felt fine.

2262
01:47:19,893 --> 01:47:21,892
Speaker 3: Okay, I think watching a movie i'd be all right,

2263
01:47:21,893 --> 01:47:24,213
Speaker 3: But reading, I think i'd be with you, Jane. Reading

2264
01:47:24,253 --> 01:47:25,972
Speaker 3: does make me. I don't think.

2265
01:47:26,173 --> 01:47:27,492
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the same as a car. I

2266
01:47:27,492 --> 01:47:28,812
Speaker 2: think you can read on a bus.

2267
01:47:28,853 --> 01:47:29,213
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2268
01:47:29,213 --> 01:47:31,932
Speaker 2: There's something about that. The movement's different on a bus.

2269
01:47:32,973 --> 01:47:35,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, helps in some nicer eu com as well, Jane,

2270
01:47:35,812 --> 01:47:37,852
Speaker 3: thank you very much. There are no toilets.

2271
01:47:37,893 --> 01:47:40,293
Speaker 2: The drivers said they were abused by some, so they

2272
01:47:40,293 --> 01:47:42,572
Speaker 2: don't have them anymore. Well, if you abuse the toilet

2273
01:47:42,572 --> 01:47:44,732
Speaker 2: on a bus, wouldn't be easy to find out who

2274
01:47:44,732 --> 01:47:45,372
Speaker 2: did it.

2275
01:47:45,692 --> 01:47:46,773
Speaker 3: You're on the place.

2276
01:47:47,973 --> 01:47:50,852
Speaker 2: The toilet on bus. Think that's why they don't do

2277
01:47:50,893 --> 01:47:51,333
Speaker 2: it anymore.

2278
01:47:51,412 --> 01:47:54,893
Speaker 3: Okay, uh oh, that's a good one.

2279
01:47:54,692 --> 01:47:55,053
Speaker 7: I met.

2280
01:47:55,093 --> 01:47:57,412
Speaker 2: I think you owe your partner and an apology. Have you

2281
01:47:57,492 --> 01:47:59,492
Speaker 2: never been late and making a fuss about it on

2282
01:47:59,492 --> 01:48:02,932
Speaker 2: the radio is a very embarrassing for You're a bad person.

2283
01:48:03,732 --> 01:48:05,253
Speaker 3: You're going to pay, Yeah, he is.

2284
01:48:07,133 --> 01:48:09,812
Speaker 2: Oh, here we go the doubled buses. They do have

2285
01:48:09,853 --> 01:48:11,093
Speaker 2: bathrooms apparently.

2286
01:48:10,772 --> 01:48:12,772
Speaker 3: Okay, very good wells.

2287
01:48:12,812 --> 01:48:14,253
Speaker 2: Wills are coming off this bus chair.

2288
01:48:14,412 --> 01:48:17,852
Speaker 3: Well we'll let's have a chat to Richie. Richie, you've

2289
01:48:17,893 --> 01:48:20,572
Speaker 3: been on a bus recently an Aussie.

2290
01:48:21,333 --> 01:48:24,093
Speaker 24: Yeah, there's a bus mechanic and I affect all the

2291
01:48:24,173 --> 01:48:29,852
Speaker 24: coaches that went like thousands of kilometers out everywhere, but

2292
01:48:30,532 --> 01:48:39,893
Speaker 24: were a gold rush buff services and Calgooley right and

2293
01:48:39,893 --> 01:48:42,812
Speaker 24: and so I had to fix toilets and ignorant and

2294
01:48:42,893 --> 01:48:46,293
Speaker 24: there have a spine turn them long distance. But over

2295
01:48:46,412 --> 01:48:48,932
Speaker 24: here in there zell and just where as you've got

2296
01:48:48,933 --> 01:48:50,972
Speaker 24: a problem this week, we're nephis.

2297
01:48:53,572 --> 01:48:56,293
Speaker 3: That's a good point, Richie.

2298
01:48:55,612 --> 01:48:59,452
Speaker 2: So you're you're a fixer. You're a fixer of problems, Richie.

2299
01:48:59,452 --> 01:49:01,053
Speaker 2: That that's the thing you can tell. You fix those

2300
01:49:01,093 --> 01:49:04,213
Speaker 2: buses and you you fix this problem people complaining about just.

2301
01:49:04,213 --> 01:49:05,772
Speaker 3: Using it be spoken like an engineer.

2302
01:49:05,812 --> 01:49:08,173
Speaker 2: You know you've got the sick bag on on planes. Yeah,

2303
01:49:08,333 --> 01:49:10,333
Speaker 2: and then they also have the adult diper.

2304
01:49:11,812 --> 01:49:15,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Richie. Have we got time for Yeah,

2305
01:49:15,333 --> 01:49:17,732
Speaker 3: maybe a couple of minutes with Mary before we got

2306
01:49:17,732 --> 01:49:21,213
Speaker 3: to play some message messages. Get I Mary, Hello, how

2307
01:49:21,253 --> 01:49:24,372
Speaker 3: are you very good? So you were recently on a bus?

2308
01:49:26,452 --> 01:49:29,852
Speaker 27: I'm not I go from New Plymouster, Wellington, yep. And

2309
01:49:29,893 --> 01:49:33,652
Speaker 27: you've got to change buses at Palmerston and there's if

2310
01:49:33,652 --> 01:49:35,692
Speaker 27: you want a cup of tea or coffee. You could

2311
01:49:35,732 --> 01:49:39,972
Speaker 27: take all your luggage with you and it's a pain

2312
01:49:40,293 --> 01:49:44,133
Speaker 27: because well and then I went up to walk from

2313
01:49:44,133 --> 01:49:47,772
Speaker 27: not long ago and we changed busses at Hamilton and

2314
01:49:47,812 --> 01:49:49,612
Speaker 27: you've got to take all your luggage with you two

2315
01:49:49,692 --> 01:49:51,173
Speaker 27: until the next bus comes along.

2316
01:49:51,412 --> 01:49:51,612
Speaker 10: Ah.

2317
01:49:51,812 --> 01:49:54,013
Speaker 3: Right, Why are they making you change buses midway through

2318
01:49:54,013 --> 01:49:54,893
Speaker 3: the journey.

2319
01:49:55,412 --> 01:49:57,772
Speaker 27: They never had two years ago, but you're do now.

2320
01:49:58,293 --> 01:50:00,133
Speaker 3: So are they going from a double decker to a

2321
01:50:00,173 --> 01:50:00,772
Speaker 3: single decker?

2322
01:50:00,812 --> 01:50:04,492
Speaker 27: Are they from Parmerston? They do, but from up and

2323
01:50:05,013 --> 01:50:07,693
Speaker 27: up to Auckland of Wilson's right, right.

2324
01:50:07,772 --> 01:50:11,132
Speaker 2: You see, that's that's okay. So my support of taking

2325
01:50:11,133 --> 01:50:14,093
Speaker 2: a bus is the three things you need as a

2326
01:50:14,133 --> 01:50:17,613
Speaker 2: scenic route yep, you know, a beautiful route yep, absolutely

2327
01:50:17,732 --> 01:50:21,932
Speaker 2: see some old life and just and probably four hours max.

2328
01:50:22,133 --> 01:50:25,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, and free Wi Fi which a standard yeah yeah,

2329
01:50:25,333 --> 01:50:27,412
Speaker 3: and probably upgrading to gold so you can get a

2330
01:50:27,452 --> 01:50:27,892
Speaker 3: lid of the seat.

2331
01:50:27,933 --> 01:50:29,972
Speaker 2: So if you're changing buses having to take things off

2332
01:50:30,013 --> 01:50:32,173
Speaker 2: and put them back on, you know, and if you've

2333
01:50:32,173 --> 01:50:34,972
Speaker 2: got a weak pelvic floor or whatever, then maybe buses

2334
01:50:34,973 --> 01:50:38,012
Speaker 2: aren't for you. But other than that, you know Kaikora

2335
01:50:38,053 --> 01:50:43,372
Speaker 2: de Picton, Yes, you know, Dunedin to Aerotown, Aerotown absolutely,

2336
01:50:43,452 --> 01:50:44,973
Speaker 2: Auckland to Todong.

2337
01:50:44,692 --> 01:50:48,173
Speaker 3: A brilliant you know, Auckland to Wellington. No, not too

2338
01:50:48,213 --> 01:50:51,172
Speaker 3: far right, Thank you very much. It was a good discussion.

2339
01:50:51,253 --> 01:50:52,213
Speaker 3: Enjoyed that one, was it?

2340
01:50:52,572 --> 01:50:52,772
Speaker 7: Well?

2341
01:50:52,933 --> 01:50:56,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. And I think

2342
01:50:56,293 --> 01:50:58,572
Speaker 3: we helped Sally And that's the important part, you know,

2343
01:50:58,612 --> 01:51:00,213
Speaker 3: that's what we do here, as we help people like

2344
01:51:00,333 --> 01:51:03,213
Speaker 3: so I think we helped her anyway, Right, We're got

2345
01:51:03,213 --> 01:51:05,213
Speaker 3: to take place of messages, but bet prety shortly. It

2346
01:51:05,333 --> 01:51:06,013
Speaker 3: is thirteen to.

2347
01:51:06,053 --> 01:51:10,772
Speaker 5: Four, The Big Store, the big issues, the big trends

2348
01:51:10,893 --> 01:51:12,253
Speaker 5: and everything in between.

2349
01:51:12,492 --> 01:51:16,532
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used Talks EDB, News

2350
01:51:16,612 --> 01:51:17,213
Speaker 1: Talks EDB.

2351
01:51:17,853 --> 01:51:19,772
Speaker 3: It is nine to four So kee We Singer and

2352
01:51:19,933 --> 01:51:23,053
Speaker 3: musician Josh Lees has made it to the semifinals and

2353
01:51:23,133 --> 01:51:27,012
Speaker 3: Timberland's Global Talent Search. So this competition is offering five

2354
01:51:27,093 --> 01:51:29,452
Speaker 3: artists the chance to be featured on his next album.

2355
01:51:29,612 --> 01:51:31,972
Speaker 3: It includes a grand prize of thirty thousand dollars and

2356
01:51:32,053 --> 01:51:36,652
Speaker 3: a studio session with Timberland massive and Josh Lee's joins

2357
01:51:36,692 --> 01:51:39,013
Speaker 3: us on the program. Now, Sush afternoon.

2358
01:51:39,973 --> 01:51:41,173
Speaker 19: Gooday, how waia.

2359
01:51:42,412 --> 01:51:45,293
Speaker 2: Fantastic Josh. So whereabouts in the competition are you now?

2360
01:51:46,173 --> 01:51:49,972
Speaker 28: Well, I'm currently in the semifinals, so only one hundred

2361
01:51:49,973 --> 01:51:53,293
Speaker 28: and twenty people worldwide originally twenty thousand.

2362
01:51:53,532 --> 01:51:54,053
Speaker 3: Wow.

2363
01:51:54,572 --> 01:51:58,052
Speaker 2: Okay, And so just tell us how the competition works, Josh.

2364
01:51:58,133 --> 01:52:00,652
Speaker 2: So you recorded a song. I've seen it, I've seen

2365
01:52:00,692 --> 01:52:04,932
Speaker 2: the video, and so what's the voting process?

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Speaker 24: Right?

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Speaker 2: How is it whittled down to the winner?

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Speaker 28: So basically, it's just it's just getting up there and

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Speaker 28: promoting as much as possible and trying to get as

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Speaker 28: many votes as possible. And I've done the first round,

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Speaker 28: second round, third round, fourth round, quarterfinals. Now I'm in

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Speaker 28: the semifinals, yes, and this is the last public voting round.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So we're very happy to help you out, Josh,

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Speaker 2: because you're I'm just saying before that you're one of

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Speaker 2: the great performers in Auckland City. Your love a spike

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Speaker 2: spark sparkly jacket, and you've got a number of them.

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Speaker 2: And I've seen you take a room that is completely

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Speaker 2: quiet and subdued and just go so hard and be

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Speaker 2: such a great performer that you'll get the entire bar

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Speaker 2: on their feet dancing on the D floor. I've been

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Speaker 2: on the D floor in front of your performances a

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Speaker 2: number of times before, Josh, so I'm happy to I

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Speaker 2: just think you're one of the great performers in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: So man, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 28: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So how would people how would people support you in

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Speaker 2: this and this goal?

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Speaker 28: Well, the easiest thing for you to do is go

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Speaker 28: to Josh Lee's j O s h l E hits

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Speaker 28: on my Instagram and if you just go into my

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Speaker 28: bio underneath the round picture, it'll just save vote for

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Speaker 28: the Timberland competition. Click on that link and that takes

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Speaker 28: you to the Orbit app, which is the thing that's

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Speaker 28: powering the whole the whole competition. And the idea is

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Speaker 28: that you can actually click on the right hand side

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Speaker 28: hear my entry of the song, or you can vote now.

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Speaker 28: And you might be a little bit deterred because there

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Speaker 28: are powered votes there that that you can actually pay for.

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Speaker 28: But they go to an amazing charity called Adopting Courage Foundation,

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Speaker 28: and this is an American charity that helps kids that

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Speaker 28: come out of foster care when they don't know where

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Speaker 28: to go, so that all the one hundred percent of

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Speaker 28: the proceeds go to that and it bumps me up.

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Speaker 28: To get me to number one is what I need

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Speaker 28: to happen. And there's a free vote down the bottom

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Speaker 28: of the link as well if you'd like to do that.

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Speaker 3: So, God and we need a key we in the

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Speaker 3: top five, Josh, we need to make it happen.

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Speaker 28: So basically, so there's one hundred and twenty people where

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Speaker 28: all groups and three at the moment, I need to

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Speaker 28: be number one in my group. I'm currently two, so

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Speaker 28: all the votes count. So if I get hold the

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Speaker 28: whole of New Zealand to get behind me, get me

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Speaker 28: to number one, and then I'll be in the top forty.

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Speaker 28: And Timberland and four of his team, an engineer and

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Speaker 28: a couple of other producers are going to be sitting

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Speaker 28: around and listening to each entry and then they're going

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Speaker 28: to pick their five people to be on the album.

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Speaker 28: And also one lucky guy I think gets or girl

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Speaker 28: gets to get flown over to to Vancouver to play

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Speaker 28: in front of one hundred of Timberland's peers.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what, Josh, Lee's if that ends up

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01:54:46,133 --> 01:54:50,213
Speaker 2: being you, you'll wow them. Your wardrobe alone will get

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01:54:50,253 --> 01:54:53,892
Speaker 2: them going. Your commitment to entertainment will get you across

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Speaker 2: the line. So Josh Lees on Instagram and look them

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Speaker 2: up and support this great new Zealander.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, thanks guys for the best mate. Yep, so just

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Speaker 3: go to his instagram, as Matt said, Josh Lees. So

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Speaker 3: that's l E y s on Instagram and then just

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Speaker 3: below as bio there's a link there. Click on that

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Speaker 3: and go through the process and give them a vote,

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Speaker 3: which I am doing right now. So vote now and

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Speaker 3: done and dusted and let's get them. Let's get them

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Speaker 3: to the top five.

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Speaker 2: Shelley's not happy with you. This text has just come

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01:55:24,693 --> 01:55:26,533
Speaker 2: through and said hello on news Talks hed B. That

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01:55:26,733 --> 01:55:29,812
Speaker 2: was incredibly embarrassing for the travel industry, bringing up the

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01:55:29,893 --> 01:55:33,812
Speaker 2: lack of toilets on buses feedback for the afternoon show.

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01:55:33,893 --> 01:55:37,093
Speaker 2: That is the standards have dropped. How dare you mention

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Speaker 2: an adult nappy on news talk s EDB.

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01:55:40,493 --> 01:55:43,012
Speaker 3: You have no right. I've just taken a note of that, Shelley,

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Speaker 3: and I can promise you that I will not talk

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01:55:45,812 --> 01:55:47,653
Speaker 3: about nappy's on into City Travel ever.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 2: Well, Shelley, I can confirm to you that Tyler has

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01:55:50,533 --> 01:55:51,932
Speaker 2: been laid off on the back of that.

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01:55:53,053 --> 01:55:55,733
Speaker 3: It's a verbal warning from Matt Heath and we'll leave

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01:55:55,772 --> 01:55:57,852
Speaker 3: it at that, right. Thank you very much. What a

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01:55:57,893 --> 01:55:58,973
Speaker 3: show today. Really enjoyed it.

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01:55:59,133 --> 01:56:00,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Thank you to all your great New

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Speaker 2: Zealanders for listening to the show. We who had heard

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Speaker 2: a great time. Hope you have the Mattin Til Afternoons

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