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Speaker 1: All right on the huddle of us this evening. We've

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Speaker 1: got Tris Sharson of Sheerson Willis PR and Joe Spagani

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Speaker 1: of Child Fund CEO. There, Hello you too. I love Josie.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the Minister saying get on

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Speaker 1: with it to the landlords as being about the extent

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Speaker 1: of the three. I mean, this is this is not real.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is not really a threat, is it.

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Speaker 2: You mean with the healthy homes? Yeah, but I mean

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Speaker 2: look that the standards have since they've been in since

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, They've had six years to get up to speed,

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Speaker 2: and I think they have actually improved a lot of homes.

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Speaker 2: Those standards that when they came in I was just

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Speaker 2: so overhearing the words yes, warm, healthy homes. It was

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Speaker 2: like the sort of mantra that was dis haunting me

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Speaker 2: in my dreams. But I do think it has done

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Speaker 2: something and just putting the pressure on for a lot

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Speaker 2: of those thirty three percent houses and rental houses in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand are still moldy. That's pretty bad, but it's

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Speaker 2: much better than it was. And it's mostly that those

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Speaker 2: things right, the black mold, the cold and people in

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Speaker 2: all don't necessarily realize just how dire some of that

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Speaker 2: rental property was. But I do worry that it's it

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Speaker 2: has policy has driven a lot of people out of

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Speaker 2: the rental market, and there is less supply. So we've

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Speaker 2: got to focus on the fact that, Okay, new buildings

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Speaker 2: will be well, will be consented, and we'll have all

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Speaker 2: of this stuff and be warm, healthy, warm buildings whatever homes.

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Speaker 2: And maybe this is a slow, painful process of kind

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Speaker 2: of driving all the old wooden houses out that that

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Speaker 2: are never going to comply our home. I live in

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Speaker 2: a wooden house. We can't. We can't put the insulation

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Speaker 2: in the ceiling.

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Speaker 3: It's very drafting.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't I.

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Speaker 1: Live in a house it doesn't comply. Trish, does your

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Speaker 1: wooden house comply?

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Speaker 3: It certainly would not. I think all great points that

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Speaker 3: that Josie's made that this is a it's been a

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Speaker 3: very big change, and in any sector, there are always

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Speaker 3: those who will get on into it. There are laggards,

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Speaker 3: and that's why you know there are there will be

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Speaker 3: there should be enforcement around meeting those standards, and probably

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Speaker 3: what you'll start to see there'll be a few high

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Speaker 3: profile and force remind yep to exactly right to remind

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Speaker 3: the laggers that that it's not cool. And I think

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Speaker 3: in our heads we can all think of the places

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Speaker 3: like you say, like Duned and some of the student

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Speaker 3: rentals around places like Wellington particularly that won't come up

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Speaker 3: to scratch. So there will need to be enforcements so

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Speaker 3: that those who are lagging behind do get it. But

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Speaker 3: also over time, if you're think about what's happening in

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Speaker 3: the Auckland market, now, you have got an oversupply of nice,

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Speaker 3: newly built sort of townhouses in a range of price ranges.

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Speaker 3: So I think that land wars will also face some

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Speaker 3: competitive market pressure because there will be tenants who can

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Speaker 3: look around and go, well, I'm not going to go

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Speaker 3: in the house of the black mold. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go in the brand new house the double glazing if

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Speaker 3: I can afford it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, you're back of the hut. Altricious and Josepiginatrisha.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about I care, but first I

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Speaker 1: just want to talk really quickly about the law and

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Speaker 1: order changes that we've had. Do you think a coward

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Speaker 1: punch that results in somebody dying should see that person

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Speaker 1: who threw the punch lumped with a life sentence.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do. Why because I think it's well known,

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Speaker 3: well it should be well known by now what damage

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Speaker 3: this type of thing can do. And there is no

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Speaker 3: excuse in my view for throwing a punch like that

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Speaker 3: very extreme, if not life threatening, consequences. And I think

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Speaker 3: we've got to get tougher on that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you reckon, Josie?

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Speaker 2: Well, the problem with this idea, I mean, no one

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Speaker 2: but a psychopath would disagree that someone who's punching someone

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Speaker 2: who's trying to stop them bleeding and save their lives.

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Speaker 1: No different thing different, not my first offenders, not the

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Speaker 1: first offenders. The coward punch. Right, So you're standing there

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Speaker 1: and somebody punches you in the back of your head,

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Speaker 1: you don't see it coming, You fall on the ground,

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Speaker 1: don't brace die?

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Speaker 2: Well yes, okay, So the problem with that is, and

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Speaker 2: I think you said this earlier, Heather, that if you

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Speaker 2: stab someone you have an intent to murder them. If

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Speaker 2: you're in a fight and you do a coward punch,

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Speaker 2: you know that basically knocks someone out and kills them,

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Speaker 2: you haven't intended to kill them. You've had a fight.

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Speaker 2: So whether that's the same as someone actually knocking on

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but you know, I do think those

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Speaker 2: are different than the intent matters.

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Speaker 1: My argument, actually, Josie, was that it's exactly the same thing,

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Speaker 1: because if you people who stab each other don't actually

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Speaker 1: always intend to kill, but it results in death, and

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Speaker 1: we treat it right, We treat it like, well, well,

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Speaker 1: you mean, you kill them, so there you go, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if the same is true of the

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Speaker 1: coward punch. I mean, you can no one can argue

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Speaker 1: nowadays that we don't know the effect of all the

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Speaker 1: most the worst case scenario, if you punch somebody in

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Speaker 1: the back of the head.

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Speaker 2: That's right, But I do think you have to take

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Speaker 2: circumstances into account. So there'll be some you know, vicious

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Speaker 2: idiot who, whether he is using a knife, a baseball

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Speaker 2: in a barroom Barel and someone you know punches someone

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Speaker 2: and they hit their head and they're dead. I think

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Speaker 2: that's where you know, I worry when politicians start taking

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Speaker 2: discretion away from judges to such an extent that the

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Speaker 2: you go, hold on a minute. This person has to

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Speaker 2: take the consequences, but they're not the same as the vicious,

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Speaker 2: violent thug that's set out to kill someone with whatever,

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Speaker 2: wapping fist all knife.

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Speaker 1: Yeap, okay, now, Trish, can you explain what I want

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Speaker 1: to hear is an argument for why we need to

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Speaker 1: have these things in that IKEA consent that allow mana

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Speaker 3: Can you look if you're looking for me to mount

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Speaker 3: that argument, you have come to the rule most in

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Speaker 3: Heather what I what I what I think is fantastic here.

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Speaker 3: I am sorry for I care that they've had to

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Speaker 3: go through this, but I think these are the types

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Speaker 3: of examples that are critical for councils and particularly the

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Speaker 3: government to keep hearing right now because if we are

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Speaker 3: going out and advertising to the world, which we absolutely

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Speaker 3: need to, and the government is doing that, we want

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Speaker 3: big companies and foreign direct investment in New Zealand. This

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Speaker 3: is the kind of crap that has to be sorted

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Speaker 3: out because there is nothing that makes those the big

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Speaker 3: We have no certainty if we turn up with a

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Speaker 3: bag of money and want to make a big investment here,

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Speaker 3: but we have no certainty over how long it's going

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Speaker 3: to take for us to get through what should be

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Speaker 3: a relatively simple process.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, Josie, you can either have a crack at

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Speaker 1: that argument for why Manafena will need that kind of access,

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Speaker 1: or you can mount the argument for why Auckland Council

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Speaker 1: has completely lost its mind to give this kind of access.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do the latter, Oka Heather, obviously, because

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Speaker 2: I think the culture we're trying to change here is

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Speaker 2: not to say, oh, you know, don't do a Katakia,

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Speaker 2: don't do a puor Frey. The culture we're trying to

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Speaker 2: change here is the consultation culture. It's a virus in

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Speaker 2: the RMA, and it's a virus in the way that

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Speaker 2: we do development, where we think you're doing the right

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Speaker 2: thing if you consult for god knows how long. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I live on Coveredy Road. We've just spent six years

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Speaker 2: consulting on the name of the road. So the problem

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Speaker 2: we've got here is this sort of consultation class, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's also the everything Bagel approach to development,

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Speaker 2: where you go right in the lab form of government housing.

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Speaker 2: And if you're going to build houses, well, you've got

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Speaker 2: to have unionized labor, you've got to use local suppliers,

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Speaker 2: you've got to have gender diversity, and you can make

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Speaker 2: a case for all of those things, but you have

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Speaker 2: to prioritize. And in this case, the problem New Zealand

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Speaker 2: has is lack of competition in supermarkets in retail, and

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Speaker 2: the idea that IQ we would delay another player coming

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Speaker 2: into the market is nuts. So the priority here is competition.

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Speaker 2: So then you have to go right not in everything Bagel.

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Speaker 2: We are going to sacrifice some things. We're going to

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Speaker 2: shorten the consultation and actually, you know, the consultation culture

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Speaker 2: is the biggest problem that we've got.

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Speaker 1: And after six years, what's the name of the road

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Speaker 1: going to be?

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Speaker 2: Main road? Main road?

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Speaker 3: Main road?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much appreciated that consultation went well.

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Speaker 1: Joe Spagani and trishus and our art of this evening.

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