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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today, Hamas is

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Speaker 3: now executing Palestinians in full view in Gaza City. Will

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Speaker 3: line for red tape cutting. We'll find out what dumb

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Speaker 3: rules need to go. And we have a new hybrid

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Speaker 2: Heather duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Finally, finally, finally, we have a change in a rule

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Speaker 3: that should never have lasted until twenty twenty five. This

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Speaker 3: is the headline. TV advertisements can now be screened on

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Speaker 3: Sunday mornings, Christmas Day and other public holidays thanks to

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Speaker 3: a law change that was passed today. Now you might

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Speaker 3: not have realized it because you probably live in a fast,

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Speaker 3: part modern, maybe secular, advert filled real world. But until today,

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Speaker 3: the rules forbade TV stations from running ads on Sunday

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Speaker 3: mornings and Anzac Morning and forbade both TV and radio

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Speaker 3: stations from running ads on Christmas Day, Good Friday and

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Speaker 3: Easter Sunday, mainly, not exclusively, but mainly because of religion. Now,

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Speaker 3: there was a time when this rule was probably fair

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Speaker 3: enough because the country was predominantly Christian, going to church

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Speaker 3: that traditional version of New Zealand departed a long time ago,

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Speaker 3: so you have to wonder how the rule has managed

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Speaker 3: to last this long now, Mind you, right, not everybody

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Speaker 3: They say, the extra six million dollars in advertising it

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Speaker 3: for the media companies. But one percent is not to

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Speaker 3: be sniffed at by a media sector that is now

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Speaker 3: so broke that SkyTV just bought TV three fours dollar

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Speaker 3: And as far as I can see it, every dollar

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Speaker 3: when or if media companies come to the government with

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Speaker 3: the begging bowl out, and it's only fair when you

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Speaker 3: think about this, you open YouTube on a Sunday morning,

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Speaker 3: That's not fair. This feels like one of those rules

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Speaker 3: made sense, don't make sense anymore now. Only preventing someone

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Speaker 3: earning money that they really need, happy to see the

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Speaker 3: back of should have happened years ago.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety the text number standard text fees apply now.

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Speaker 3: The AA says some of our road finds need to

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Speaker 3: maybe even double wants ticket prices for driving offenses to

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Speaker 3: the nineties. Dylan Thompson is the AA's road safety spokesperson.

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Speaker 3: With us HI Dylan good Athlone Heather, do you do

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Speaker 3: you want to double all of them or just some

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Speaker 4: We think as a starting point, doubling all driving offenses

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Speaker 4: for the government just to effectively catch up on inflation.

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Speaker 4: And then we think that we actually need to look

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Speaker 4: crashes most often drunk driving, drugs, driving seat belts, distractions

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Speaker 3: Right, So, what's the seat belt offense? What do you

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Speaker 4: So currently one hundred and fifty dollars as well, Like

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Speaker 4: So everywhere we've looked overseas has higher fines, higher penalties

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Speaker 3: Have you had a look at what kind of relationship

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Speaker 4: We haven't in that sort of detail. So you know,

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Speaker 3: We need to train with you now obviously the people

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Dylan, thank you, I appreciate your time. Good luck with this.

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Speaker 3: As Dylan Thompson, spokesperson for the AA, I'm on board

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Speaker 3: There's not enough of a disincentive financially if you get

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Speaker 3: Now it's only been how many days since the local

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Speaker 3: councilor elect Dave Mackenzie has quit, only elected on Saturday,

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Speaker 3: admitted to at least one incident's or insitance of charging

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Speaker 3: destructive misinformation and hatred online had become too much for

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Speaker 3: his family and his well being. Trouble though for Central

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Speaker 3: Otago people, as this is going to trigger a by

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Grace and Weikere has doubled down on her

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Speaker 5: Has she she has? Yeah? I thought that maybe she

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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if what she would have said, which words

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Speaker 3: she would have been more selective about, is we love you.

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Speaker 5: Possibly more yeah, I want you back, or being more

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Speaker 3: Senior colleagues may not.

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Speaker 5: Necessarily be aligned, and the alignment so I Becker, I

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Speaker 5: to be speaking out. This whole thing is an absolute

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Speaker 5: shimozzle and it's you know, it's not Grace Weeki's fault.

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Speaker 5: It's not anyone's fault that it's got to this point.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's some people's fault, people really badly

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Speaker 5: But it's not it's not great, it's not Grace Wiki's fault.

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Speaker 5: It's got to this point. And so her speaking out,

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you something though? I was I was

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Speaker 5: the status quo can remain.

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Speaker 1: It's heather duper cell and drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 3: So when does what's what's what's Trump's deedline for when

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Speaker 11: or he has somebody from the White House try to

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Speaker 11: do that, it's really a head scratcher right now. I

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Speaker 11: think he's hoping that you know, the pen is mightier

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Speaker 11: than the sword in this case. But we know it's easy.

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Speaker 11: You're not easy because it took so long to come

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Speaker 11: to where we are today. But I think the harder

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Speaker 11: part is going to be to see if we can

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Speaker 11: actually keep this peace process going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much so. I see Charlie Kirk got the

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Speaker 3: Presidential Middle of Freedom.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 11: This was something the president had promised after Kirk was

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Speaker 11: fatally shot speaking to that crowd in Utah. And this

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Speaker 11: would have been his thirty second birthday. So this all

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Speaker 11: happened about a month ago. But he was awarded today

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Speaker 11: and his widow, Erica, accepted the award and she was

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Speaker 11: very emotional and she was whispering a lot of the time,

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Speaker 11: a lot of tears, as you might imagine. She talked

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Speaker 11: about her late husband's life, political beliefs, and legacy. And

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Speaker 11: after that was done and the cameras were turned off,

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Speaker 11: the president went over to his parents and spent a

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Speaker 11: few minutes talking with them. So he's had a you know,

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Speaker 11: no matter what you think of President Trump, he's one

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Speaker 11: way or the other. He's had a very busy week,

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Speaker 11: you know, and here we are only Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and not to mention the fact that he also

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Speaker 3: blew up a boat of people coming from Venezuela. Why

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Speaker 3: do you people feel about this?

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Speaker 11: I think, well, you know, it depends on who you ask.

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Speaker 11: Of course, if you ask the left, if you ask Democrats,

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Speaker 11: they're going to say this is a violation of humanitarian rights.

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Speaker 11: And if you ask Trumpers, they're going to say, well,

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Speaker 11: you know, these are people that are smuggling drugs, these

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Speaker 11: are traffickers, these are unlawful combatants who have to be

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Speaker 11: met with military force. I mean, that's what he said.

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Speaker 11: And this is the fifth strike that he's done in

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Speaker 11: the Caribbean, and our defense secretary said that this has

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Speaker 11: to happen. I mean, he was sharing no bones about it.

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Speaker 11: They were sharing this video on x and it shows

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Speaker 11: this boat apparently stationary on the water. You get a

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Speaker 11: few seconds into the video and then it's stuck, struck

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Speaker 11: from by some projectile, some bomb from overhead, and it

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Speaker 11: just explodes like that and then it's floating of flames

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Speaker 11: for a few seconds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's quite a thing, isn't it. Thank you, Dan, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchison, US correspondent, nineteen away from five. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: will be fascinated. Actually, let me know how you feel

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Speaker 3: about it. I'd be fascinated to know how people feel

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Speaker 3: about this, because on the level of people that we dislike,

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Speaker 3: drug dealers must be right down there with people who

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Speaker 3: commit you know, child six crimes, right like, they'd be

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Speaker 3: right down the bottom. And so if you want to

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Speaker 3: blow anybody up without any due process, I'd imagine it'll

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Speaker 3: be the drug dealers. But there's yeah, it's a pretty

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Speaker 3: wild thing to do, Heather. My family in the UK

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Speaker 3: and Europe call New Zealand knows Zealand because you can't

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Speaker 3: do anything here, Heather, who would have picked that hummus

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Speaker 3: for a bunch of murderous bastards? Steve very good point.

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Speaker 3: I do wonder how some people feel at the moment,

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Speaker 3: because there are some people who, let's be clear about it, right,

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Speaker 3: we're going out there being like, do all the right

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Speaker 3: thing by Gaza, but raally think Hummas are real great heroes.

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Speaker 3: So how do they feel now about seeing Hummas lining

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Speaker 3: Palestinians up and shooting them. So it's one thing when

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Speaker 3: you're fighting the idea if it's quite another thing when

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Speaker 3: you're shooting your own countrymen in the back of the head. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we're going to talk to Greg Sheridan of The Australian

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Speaker 3: after five and just get his take on it. I

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Speaker 3: need to run you through this pole. This is the

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Speaker 3: freshwater the post freshwater strategy with infrastructure New Zealand pole. Now,

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine that Chris Luxon is going to be

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Speaker 3: stoked about what he's reading in this because it's starting

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Speaker 3: up the conversation about when does Chris Luson go and

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Speaker 3: who takes over? And it shows Chris Bishop is emerging

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Speaker 3: as the succe sessa. So forty nine percent of voters,

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Speaker 3: and remember we are talking about voters across the political spectrum,

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Speaker 3: So Labour Green Act New Zealanders with National everybody, forty

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Speaker 3: nine percent of voters think National needs to get rid

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Speaker 3: of Chris Luxen. Only thirty eight percent thinks Luxon should stay.

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Speaker 3: Even among National supporters, about a quarter want to change

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Speaker 3: possible replacements. Bishop Leeds He's on sixteen percent, Erica Stanford's

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Speaker 3: on twelve percent, Finance Minister Nikola Willis is on eleven percent,

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Speaker 3: and then Simon Brown is on eight percent. Now, any

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Speaker 3: of any of us who think about these things, you

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Speaker 3: know a little bit more deeply than going ugh Na

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Speaker 3: change it. Anybody who thinks a little bit more deeply

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Speaker 3: than that knows you shouldn't be doing this before the election,

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Speaker 3: right because that's going to be incredibly destabilizing. So this

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Speaker 3: is the kind of thing that you're looking at. Let

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Speaker 3: him run in twenty sacks, let him have a year,

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Speaker 3: and then he can sort of gracefully retire after that

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Speaker 3: if he's still a drag on the National Party. So

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Speaker 3: you're looking at kind of like twenty seven when it happens.

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Speaker 3: But sometimes these things get him meant him on because

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Speaker 3: enough people are talking about them. When you've got polls

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Speaker 3: like this running in the papers, that feels like a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a momentum is getting going. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Barry Soap about that when he's with US.

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Speaker 3: Hither the problem with blowing up the boats is that

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Speaker 3: there's no evidence being presented that they are drug smugglers. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's that is quite the problem. Fourteen away from five,

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Speaker 3: Barri Soaper, Senior political Correspondence with US Hallo, Barry, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: We were just talking about the post freshwater strategy with

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Speaker 3: infrastructure New Zealand.

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Speaker 12: Pole, can we use a perhaps.

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Speaker 3: Rolls off the tongue, doesn't it exactly anyway?

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Speaker 9: Listen.

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Speaker 3: The problem with this is, obviously, if you were sensible,

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Speaker 3: you don't roll Luxeon, even if you think Luxeon's a

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Speaker 3: drag on the party, which is, you do not roll

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Speaker 3: him before the election. You do it about a year

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Speaker 3: after the election. But the problem is, if you talk

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Speaker 3: about it enough, this thing gets a momentum. Are we

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Speaker 3: at that place.

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Speaker 12: Becomes a self fulfilling prophecies and that that happens a lot?

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Speaker 5: Is he atc of that?

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Speaker 13: No?

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Speaker 12: I don't think so. I think people who think about

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Speaker 12: politics and think about what this government has done in

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Speaker 12: a fairly short time. I'm not preaching their case, but

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Speaker 12: they have done a lot, a lot more than what

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Speaker 12: labor did in the last three years when it had

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Speaker 12: unbridled power at the Treasury benches. So I think people,

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Speaker 12: well most people who think about politics would say, you know,

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Speaker 12: this time next year, which will be election time, of course,

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Speaker 12: but by this time the economy will have turned the corner,

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Speaker 12: and I'm convinced of that that next year. I think

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Speaker 12: early next year you're going to see a mood change,

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Speaker 12: and that's what it's all about. And that's why these

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Speaker 12: things tend to roll on. If you talk so much

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Speaker 12: about it, then it would roll on. Chris Bishop good

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Speaker 12: performer in the house. Don't know whether he's leadership material.

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Speaker 12: Erica Stanford, Yep, she's okay.

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis is okay. She's been excellent.

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Speaker 12: And education, there's no doubt about that. And very articulate.

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Speaker 12: Nikola Willis again, you know she's had a hard battle

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Speaker 12: and finance. So even old Shane Jones this afternoon was

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Speaker 12: saying in the house used on an expression I've often

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Speaker 12: used that to turn a super tanker around takes some

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Speaker 12: considerable time. So if I was Chris Luxon looking at this,

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Speaker 12: you know, of course i'd be upset, and you know,

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Speaker 12: I would feel that people are not getting the message

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Speaker 12: that he's been espousing day after day after day. And

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Speaker 12: I heard some criticism this morning of his performance in

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Speaker 12: the house. What I looked at him that and with

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Speaker 12: that perspective, today he performs I think very well.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about what Mike said, yes, and I think

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Speaker 3: Mike's got a point.

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Speaker 12: No, he doesn't because he I don't know whether he

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Speaker 12: nobody knows politics like Mike knows that of course, which

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Speaker 12: he continually tells us. But I've been in that house

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Speaker 12: for more than forty years, and when I see leaders

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Speaker 12: of the like of Chris lux And I think he

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Speaker 12: performs actually very well as the prime minister in the house.

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Speaker 12: I was watching him again today and Mike seemed to

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Speaker 12: criticize them for saying, yes, do they agree with every

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Speaker 12: statement and whatever that in the past. Why he says yes,

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Speaker 12: he doesn't open up the agenda to the opposition.

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Speaker 3: I think, Okay, I actually a tactic here. I agree

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Speaker 3: with Mike, but I do not.

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Speaker 12: Agree with me.

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Speaker 3: Shut up all the same. Oh jeez, honestly, Lord. What

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about, though, is there is a

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Speaker 3: point at which, and this is accepted right, there is

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Speaker 3: a point at which a prime minister becomes so deeply

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Speaker 3: unpopular that nothing saves them, even in economy, they just

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Speaker 3: give voters the X factor. Are you sure he isn't there?

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Speaker 12: I think you will find this time next year we'll

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Speaker 12: be talking about a very different Chris Luxen that we

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Speaker 12: talked about today.

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Speaker 3: Remember this, I do remember it. Remember this play this

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Speaker 3: back in a year I shout, now, not of course,

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Speaker 3: of course not not failing to help this particular government

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Speaker 3: as the Maori Party with its shambles, and even marswill

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Speaker 3: Willie had come and say something about it.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, Willi has probably said more than what

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Speaker 12: his leader Chris Hipkins has said. And he's a good mate.

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Speaker 12: He hasn't got skin in the game, of course, what

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Speaker 12: he probably does have because you know they will be

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Speaker 12: looking for coalition partners if they want to rule the

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Speaker 12: treasury benches next year, and the Maori Party would be

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Speaker 12: part of that. Mex and will He's made the point that,

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Speaker 12: you know, they really have to get their act together,

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Speaker 12: although he feels and he's talking about getting a meeting

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Speaker 12: with them next month to sit down and talk about

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Speaker 12: where they're going, what they'll look like come the next election.

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Speaker 12: Where is Rai Waita t the co leader and China

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Speaker 12: with a Kapa Haker.

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Speaker 5: Group that he's traveled the world.

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Speaker 12: With in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: But he's not alone, is he? But he's not alone?

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Speaker 12: No, he's not alone with him his wife John Yeah,

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Speaker 12: John Tammerherry's daughter who's working as a press secretary for

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Speaker 12: the party. I've had a few run ins with her

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Speaker 12: over the time that when I was in Parliament, and

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Speaker 12: they're very uncooperative. They do not like the media, probably

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Speaker 12: because of what I'm saying at the moment, but they're

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Speaker 12: not an easy party to deal.

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Speaker 3: Well, you are what they call the Parque art media.

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Speaker 12: Well I'm a racist.

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Speaker 3: No, you're white. That's their problems. Well talk to the

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Speaker 3: park they say, I'm not putting words in their mouths.

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Speaker 3: They talk about this Jerry Browny's been told of everyone's

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Speaker 3: favorite green MP Ricardo.

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Speaker 12: Well, of course, and you're this man. Whenever he walks

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Speaker 12: into a room, you look and see the is it

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Speaker 12: hawt cature that you look at his outfit and Ricardo's yes,

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Speaker 12: I mean rubbish of course. And he's the very thing

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Speaker 12: that people talk about in the House that you know,

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Speaker 12: the casualization of the House introduced by Trevor Mallard. And

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Speaker 12: what Menendez March says is that in fact a tuxedo

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Speaker 12: is not going to improve the behavior of the house. Well,

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Speaker 12: in fact that is absolutely true, but there's got to

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Speaker 12: be whether Ricardo likes it or not. Some standards and

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Speaker 12: when you reduce the expectation on dress and how they

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Speaker 12: turn out sneakers, jeans, T shirts with motifs on them.

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Speaker 12: That is not the Parliament, It is not the highest

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Speaker 12: court in the land, and I think they, all of

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Speaker 12: them should be showing some respect for the institution of Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Often does look like some sort of Amram situation.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible.

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Speaker 12: You know, you've got a protest party. The Maulti Party

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Speaker 12: is a pro test party, and I think we've seen

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Speaker 12: that more so in the last six months or so

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Speaker 12: than we've ever seen it before.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Barry, Barry Sober, senior political correspondent. I might

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Speaker 3: quote you back some of what Riccardo had to say

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Speaker 3: in just a minute seven away from five.

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Speaker 2: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 14: We have seen those spending increase in hospital for the

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Speaker 14: last couple of months. There's something going on there. Do

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Speaker 14: you know what it is? Is it tourism or is

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Speaker 14: it locals just fed up and they want a sandwich

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Speaker 14: in the beer?

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Speaker 15: From what we're seeing, it as an uptake and tourism numbers,

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Speaker 15: which is such a positive sign for our industry and

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Speaker 15: very much welcomed.

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Speaker 14: Is it the immigrant issue as well, in the sense

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Speaker 14: that are we over hospited?

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Speaker 15: Look, I think you know hospitality is a very accessible

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Speaker 15: business model. But I think that's what makes it dynamic.

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Speaker 15: That's why as a consumer hospitality, you know you're in

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Speaker 15: a great possession. However, there is Marasque with that business model.

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Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast would

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Speaker 14: the Defend News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: All right, so four away from five. So what Ricardo

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Speaker 3: Menendez marched did is that he warned Jerry Browne against

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Speaker 3: becoming the fashion police and said that we have an

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Speaker 3: intergenerational parliament with several cultures and backgrounds, and trying to

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Speaker 3: conform to a very specific dress code will only diminish

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Speaker 3: that representation. If voters don't like how a party is presenting,

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Speaker 3: they can punish us on election day. Now, look, what

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Speaker 3: I don't understand is I can't imagine it's that to

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Speaker 3: just get dressed like a professional every morning. You just

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Speaker 3: have to wear a suit, Just put on a suit.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's start with the basics. Put on

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Speaker 3: some mondays, put on some socks, put on your pants,

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Speaker 3: put on a shirt, put on your suit, jacket, tie

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Speaker 3: your tie, put on some leather shoes, no hat. The

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Speaker 3: end can't be that hard. It's a bloke. It's basically

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Speaker 3: a uniform anyway on the Maori Party. They we're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to talk about them shortly. Doesn't look like it's

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Speaker 3: just the cup of kingis that? John Thamerheerada and his

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Speaker 3: mate's gonna have to get rid of that. Also going

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Speaker 3: to have to get rid of Tarkuther Ferris, who's the

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Speaker 3: MP who did that were late night video, because he's

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Speaker 3: piped up as well. He holds the teed Thai Polcao

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Speaker 3: Electric seat. His Electric Committee has made a vote of

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Speaker 3: no confidence in the Maori Party executive leadership after they

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Speaker 3: sent out that email with the allegations on Monday night.

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Speaker 3: Tarkuther Ferris is not apologizing for this. He said the

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Speaker 3: Electric Committee had every right to do that. He's not

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Speaker 3: happy with how the saga is playing out, told the

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Speaker 3: media there's no consensus about sending out the email. Now

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Speaker 3: you've got you've got Maria man Or Kappa Kingi and

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Speaker 3: Tarkuther Ferris now both speaking out against party leadership. Plus

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Speaker 3: of course, oh mate son looks to me like a

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Speaker 3: party that's splintering. We'll talk about them shortly. We're also

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Speaker 3: gonna talk about the new Synergizer Cow, which is a

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Speaker 3: cool name for a cow. It's a cow that can

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Speaker 3: produce both beef and dairy cows. PAMU seems to have

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Speaker 3: come up with it. They're with us shortly on that.

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Speaker 3: But next, let's deal with the situation with Hummas executing

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Speaker 3: Palestinians newstalgs V Exactly.

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Speaker 16: We're the ones worth marching.

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Speaker 1: Scars, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather,

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Speaker 1: duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage like no

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Speaker 1: one else.

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Speaker 2: Newstalgs VV Afternoon Shock.

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Speaker 3: And Seas have emerged from Gaza showing Hamas publicly executing

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Speaker 3: several Palestinian men. Hummas forces the men to kneel in

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Speaker 3: a public square, then shoots them in the back of

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Speaker 3: the head as people watch and film.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 3: Greg Sheridan is the foreign editor at the Australian High Greg.

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Speaker 18: Hi, Heather, how are you very well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you? Now, there are some reports that Hummas is

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Speaker 3: executing people who worked with Israel. Is that true.

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Speaker 18: It's certainly true that Hamas is executing people. It's not

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Speaker 18: clear that these people worked with Israel. Hamas is a

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Speaker 18: very vicious, bloodthirsty extremist organization and it has a long

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Speaker 18: history of killing Palestinians that it doesn't like. When it

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Speaker 18: first took power, found some homosexual Palestinians and throw them

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Speaker 18: off the top of buildings. And there's incontrovertible evidence now

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Speaker 18: that it's executing people. A few hours ago the count

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Speaker 18: was about thirty two people that had killed. It might

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Speaker 18: accuse him of working with Israel. You know, you wouldn't

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Speaker 18: take Humus at its word. I mean, you can be

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Speaker 18: sure that these are Palestinians who have opposed Humus in

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Speaker 18: the past.

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Speaker 3: Trump has suggests that he has given Humas some level

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Speaker 3: of leeway to impose or maintain order. Would this have

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Speaker 3: been part of it or will this be shocking to

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Speaker 3: the US?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: No, I think Trump is basically talking baloney.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 18: Hammas was supposed to surrender its arms and don't impose

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Speaker 18: order by making guys kneel with their back to you

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Speaker 18: and shooting them in the head. That's not the idea

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Speaker 18: of imposing any order. This was always one of the

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Speaker 18: weaknesses of the plan.

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Speaker 17: Who is.

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Speaker 18: Who is going to administer and rule Gaza as Israel

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Speaker 18: withdraws And I read a piece last Saturday saying this

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Speaker 18: is not a question for six months time. This is

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Speaker 18: a question for next week, and we have no answer

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Speaker 18: to that question so far. Well, the answer is Hamas

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Speaker 18: still has the guns. It's plainly not interested in disarming.

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Speaker 18: So this is a terrible movement itself. I also think

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Speaker 18: it looks like the breakdown of the process after about

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Speaker 18: two days.

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Speaker 3: What chance is that Hamas can actually be pushed out

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Speaker 3: of Gaza, disarmed and got rid of now.

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Speaker 2: Well, very little chance, little chance.

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Speaker 18: The idea was that there be an international stabilization force,

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Speaker 18: which would essentially be Arab troops. But at the end

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Speaker 18: of the day, no Arab government is going to shoot

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Speaker 18: Palestinians for any reason at all, especially if they've been

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Speaker 18: seen to be enforcing a deal that in some way

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Speaker 18: or another benefits Israel. And all of these insane demonstrators

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Speaker 18: in all our countries, in your country and my country,

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Speaker 18: Australia and so on they've been demonstrating in these past

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Speaker 18: two years have been essentially pro Hummas demonstrators. Whereas Hummas

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Speaker 18: is really one of the most vicious, demented, bloodthirsty, gravely

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Speaker 18: anti Semitic organizations. Our former Prome minister Santy Abbott refers

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Speaker 18: to it always as a death cult.

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Speaker 2: And he's basically right.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 18: The idea was that Iran could no longer provide them

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Speaker 18: with the support that it used to, and Katar could

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Speaker 18: no longer give them the money that it used to,

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Speaker 18: and therefore they might pull back for a while and

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Speaker 18: be prepared to go on as a sort of semi underground,

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Speaker 18: semi insurgent force. But it seems to me they're not

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Speaker 18: even going to do that for a single day.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 18: Trump says, if they don't disarm, we'll disarm them. Well,

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Speaker 18: there's no chance at all that American troops will be

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Speaker 18: going into disarmment. So if anyone's going to disarm them,

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Speaker 18: it's Israel. But we've seen that the cost of that

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Speaker 18: is too high. I mean, they hide amongst civilians, they're

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Speaker 18: in civilian houses and so forth. And if the world

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Speaker 18: wants Israel to disarm us, then there's we're going to

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Speaker 18: resume the war that we've just got out of. So

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Speaker 18: I think you're in for a very messy stalemate. And

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Speaker 18: how anyone sets up an interim administration, you know, this

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Speaker 18: so called a political Committee of Palestinians, which is meant

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Speaker 18: to run Gaza in the immediate future. Who knows, now

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Speaker 18: the only hope I guess would be that Qatar still

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Speaker 18: could apply enough pressure. Katari, Egypt and Turkey, which all

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Speaker 18: have some influence with Hamas, could apply enough pressure to

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Speaker 18: get them do it at least ease up for a

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Speaker 18: couple of weeks at please give a please give peace

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Speaker 18: a face giving a face saving sort of decent enval.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Greg, thanks very much, really appreciated. That's Greg Sheridan,

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Speaker 3: the foreign editor at The Australian. Twelve past five Heather

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Speaker 3: du for see Allen Bars, restaurant's hotels Whole Bunch are

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Speaker 3: next up for David Seymour's red tape cutting. Now he

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Speaker 3: has tasked the Ministry of Regulation with reviewing hospitality industry

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Speaker 3: rules Hospitality New Zealand. Sam McKinnon is with us. Has

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Speaker 3: Sam got very well? Thank you give me the stupidest

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Speaker 3: rule that you've come across.

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Speaker 19: Do you know that grandparents can't take green kids to

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Speaker 19: the pub because they're not considered legal guardians?

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Speaker 3: That is that's pretty dumb. So was that even if

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Speaker 3: what's under the age of what.

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Speaker 19: Under eighteen? So in a supervised area, you can have

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Speaker 19: an under eighteen can be in a supervis area as

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Speaker 19: long as they were the parent or a legal guardian.

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Speaker 19: But if your grandparents not considered your legal guardian, they

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Speaker 19: can't take you to there.

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Speaker 3: This and Sam, this is not even the kid drinking. Hey,

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Speaker 3: that's the kid just being there.

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Speaker 19: No, exactly just being on the premise. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're punting that one to David Cymore's ministry to

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Speaker 3: get that one got rid of.

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Speaker 19: That will definitely be on the list. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 19: I guess one of the things for US is the

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Speaker 19: terms of reference notes. There's about thirteen different ministerial portfolios

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Speaker 19: that this review could impact, and so that kind of

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Speaker 19: speaks to the myriad of regulations that that hospitality has

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Speaker 19: to find its way through just to operate a business. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: and so yeah, I mean the point of the review

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Speaker 19: for US, I guess, while there are some of these

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Speaker 19: rarely sort of stupid rules that are in place, the

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Speaker 19: opportunity for the industry to be able to have a

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Speaker 19: comprehensive look at all of the different areas that cut

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Speaker 19: across what it takes to run a hospitality venue as

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Speaker 19: the real opportunity here.

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Speaker 3: How much do you reckon these rules are costing you guys?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean it's obviously hard to put a dollar

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Speaker 19: figure on that, but you know, we know that there's

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Speaker 19: opportunities costs.

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Speaker 15: So.

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Speaker 19: The rules and rigs that we're facing, we're regularly here

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Speaker 19: from our members that that impacts their investment decisions or

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Speaker 19: the number of staff that they're trying to employ, and

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Speaker 19: that obviously has flow ons to how the industry grows

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Speaker 19: or how the business itself grows. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 19: being able to cut through some of this stuff and

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Speaker 19: I guess just provide some certainty for business owners and

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Speaker 19: in a clearer sort of way forward is the key

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Speaker 19: thing for us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam, good to talk to you, appreciate you t

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Speaker 3: I make best of luck with it at Sam McKinnon Hospitality,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand, Heather do to see Ellen. Not just the peaches,

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Speaker 3: I'm sad to tell you, not just the peaches. What

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Speaker 3: is New Zealand is now also cutting down on other

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Speaker 3: crops that they take from Hawks Bay farmers. It looks

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Speaker 3: like it's going to affect the beetroot and the corn

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00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 3: and the tomatoes. They say that just responding to market demand,

876
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: increase competition from imported goods, and rising costs. So basically

877
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: things are costing more. We can get it cheaper elsewhere,

878
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: and basically you and I are not as fussed about

879
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: buying homegrown as we once might have been. So beetroot, corn,

880
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: tomatoes as well as the peaches coming up quarter pass. Okay,

881
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: get yourself ready by the phone, get online because the

882
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 3: following wine deal is frankly absurd value for money and

883
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: it's available exclusively at the Good Wine Co that is

884
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: the Goodwine dot Co dotting z. Now, this is a

885
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: canceled export order on a five star ninety four out

886
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: of one hundred rated Marlborough Saven Bloc from a cracker

887
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: of a twenty twenty five vintage which has been cleared

888
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: at nine ninety nine per bottle. You absolutely heard that right,

889
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,479
Speaker 3: nine ninety nine aer bottle. Now, this is truly five

890
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: star savvy at a two star price. The wine is

891
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: called col Tarpa marlboroughsaven Bloc twenty twenty five and the

892
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: quality that you're getting here for a Marlborough Savy for

893
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: nine ninety nine is just outstanding. Originally it was destined

894
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: for the Australian market. It's now being urgently cleared here

895
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: on the domestic market at just nine to ninety nine

896
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: a bottle. Now, the twenty five vintage and Marlborough was

897
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: a great one. One's sip here and you're going to

898
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: see what the fuss is about and it gets just better.

899
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: Pay one dollar per case, delivery to your door, nationwide

900
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: conditions apply. Now. You can imagine the phones are going

901
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: to be ringing hot. So if you can't get through,

902
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: jump online now to order. Remember it's only available at

903
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: the Goodwine Co. So head to the Goodwine dot Co

904
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: dot z or you can call oh eight hundred double

905
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: six two, double six.

906
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: To two, Heather, do for see Allen Heather.

907
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: They've been using Peruvian asparagus for years. I believe that

908
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: nineteen past five. Now there's a new cow on the block.

909
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: PAMU and the Livestock Improvement Corporation have created a new

910
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: breed of cattle. It can produce both beef and dairy

911
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: and they're calling it the Synergizer. Mark Leslie is the

912
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: PAMU CEO and with us.

913
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 17: Home Mark, Good afternoon, Heather, how are you.

914
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. That's a cool name. Who

915
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: came up with that?

916
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 17: Oh? It was it was a plain on wheres in

917
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 17: terms of that's coming from the word synergy and it

918
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 17: was a synergy about actually bringing together some genetics that

919
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 17: include Angus Hereford Cimontel' charlet, So a little bit of

920
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 17: a play there, but also around the collaboration between how

921
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 17: does the dairy sector and the livestop sector collaborate to

922
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 17: come up with these animals that will be used. It'll

923
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 17: come out of the dairy herds and then go into

924
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 17: the livestock heurts and become a beef animal to go

925
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 17: right through. So the synergy between the sectors. But no,

926
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 17: it's a pretty cool name that sort of brings together

927
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 17: the beast of both worlds and different breeds as well

928
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 17: as the dairy and the livestop sector.

929
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: Now tell me something, Mark, why do you want a

930
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 3: cow to be able to be both dairy and beef

931
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: Because you don't want to milk it for years and

932
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: then eat it, do you.

933
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 17: Yeah? No, so no it's not going to be milked.

934
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 17: So what this is intending to do is this breed

935
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Speaker 17: here will be used. The dairy farmers will continue to

936
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Speaker 17: use their traditional breeds for their milking animals. These bulls

937
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 17: or these will be used to go over maybe some

938
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 17: of the cows. They don't want to keep the replacements

939
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 17: out of and they'll use these Sogina eight animals that

940
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 17: can then go off into the livestock sector and become

941
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 17: animals for meat and for process and to that side

942
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 17: of it. So no, they won't be getting books. They'll

943
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 17: be coming out of the dairy sector and going off

944
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Speaker 17: into that.

945
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: Do you reckon there's a market for this?

946
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 17: Yeah? Absolutely, And the work we've done and this has

947
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 17: been part of our journey in terms of the dairy

948
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 17: beef journey and rearing those extra cars out of our

949
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 17: dairy units to go into the livestock units and these

950
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 17: genetics are a key part of that. And you have

951
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 17: seen a recent Rubbo report rubber Bank report where they

952
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 17: talk about potential upside of dairy beef to New Zealand

953
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 17: of one point two billion. And we've been he looking

954
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 17: at this for the last number of years and these

955
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 17: will meet the need of the dairy farmer. They really

956
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 17: look from the dairy expective, they really they stand out

957
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 17: in terms of their silver color, the low birth faith

958
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 17: and the lights. But then once they're on a livestock farm,

959
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 17: they grow out really well. They've got good live weight

960
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 17: game and that's really the red meat quality. So make

961
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 17: the names of both sides.

962
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: Great, that's fantastic stuff. Mark, Thanks very much, Mark, Leslie

963
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: palmu Ceo.

964
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Speaker 20: Do you reckon?

965
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: The name's gonna stick you reckon? The farmer is going

966
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: to be out there going, oh, that one's my Hereford,

967
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: and that one is my jersey, and that's my synergizer.

968
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: You know, do you think it's I reckon? I reckon,

969
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 3: we I reckon. We're gonna come up with something a

970
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: little bit more tame, don't you. Five to twenty one, the.

971
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: Day's newspakers talked to Heather first, Heather du for c

972
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the power of

973
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Speaker 1: satellite mobile news.

974
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 3: Doorgs said, be Heather, call it a steak and shake.

975
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: Five point twenty four. Okay, listen, go on and tell

976
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: me that any of the allegations that we've heard about

977
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: the Mary Party in the last thirty six hours surprise you.

978
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: Does it shock you in any way to find out

979
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: that one of their MP's allegedly paid her son one

980
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty thousand dollars of tax payer money, that

981
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: she couldn't apparently balance her own budget, and that her

982
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: son allegedly abused parliamentary staff. So badly that he was

983
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: trespassed from the grounds. Not really a not really a surprise,

984
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: And this feels like exactly the kind of stuff you

985
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 3: would expect to be happening when a political party pulls

986
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: together a collection of activists who have no respect for

987
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 3: the rules, which they demonstrate on a seemingly weekly basis

988
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: by not showing up to their jobs in parliament, who

989
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: can't even do up a pair of leather shoes to

990
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: go to work, and who think nepotism is just another

991
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: way of showing love to your family. Their words, not mine.

992
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: Now do you realize that that alleged incident where edu

993
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: KAPPAKINGI shouted at parliamentary staff and threatened to knock one

994
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: out happened on budget Day twenty twenty four, as in

995
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 3: eighteen months ago, and we have only just found out now,

996
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: which as me wondering what else is going on in

997
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: there that we don't know about yet. Now I'm not

998
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: surprised by what's being revealed and what it means is

999
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: I find it weirdly that I'm weirdly not actually terribly

1000
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: exercised by it, certainly not in the way that I

1001
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: would be if this was national or Labor or any

1002
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: other serious party. I would expect in those instances for

1003
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: heads to roll, and I would expect explanations and media

1004
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 3: stand ups and real interrogations by the media and people

1005
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: appearing on the show to be grilled. But I don't

1006
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: expect that with the Marti Party. Now that should worry

1007
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: the Marty Party because what that means is that I,

1008
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: than anyone else who feels like me, don't take them seriously.

1009
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: We don't think they're serious people. We don't expect them

1010
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: to hold standards up. We regard what we're seeing is

1011
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 3: more of a clown show that needs to be contained

1012
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: so it doesn't contaminate the rest of Parliament. So good

1013
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 3: luck to them making it into a future cabinet, which

1014
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 3: they're obviously quite keen on if they're not being taken

1015
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: seriously by us.

1016
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

1017
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 3: Paul Conway, Reserve Bank chief economist, has just given a

1018
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: speech in Sydney where he's defended the money printing during COVID.

1019
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: Oh lord, I cannot wait to tell you about this,

1020
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: which I will. And the engine ATIB Trainey is with

1021
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: us in over an hour because she's been watching this,

1022
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: so she'll run us through it as well. Now on

1023
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: the grandparents, Heather, if you think I can't take my

1024
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: grandparents my grandkids to a pub or a cafe because

1025
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm not a legal guardian, than they're dreaming. Now that

1026
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: is a dumb rule, isn't it. Let me tell you

1027
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: so you will have known, like, actually it's kind of

1028
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 3: a dumb rule, but also kind of not because I

1029
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 3: don't know if you've noticed this, but grandparents are kind

1030
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: of wild, you know, like this what happened?

1031
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 8: Like?

1032
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: I often find myself going, what happened to you? Mum?

1033
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: You used to run us like it was some sort

1034
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: of a military force going on in here, and then

1035
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: I leave my children with you, and it's wild, Like

1036
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: some of the stuff is so wild, I can't tell

1037
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: you on the radio for fear of SIFs getting involved. Anyway,

1038
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: So my friend told me she's got a theory on it.

1039
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: What happens is that bear with me. What happens as

1040
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: women go through menopause, and then of course the hormones change, right,

1041
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: and so they lose all their lady hormones. This is grandmothers.

1042
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 3: They lose all their lady hormones and it just gets

1043
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: replaced with male hormones, and so once they're through menopause,

1044
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 3: instead of being hormonally like a woman, they hormonally like

1045
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 3: a man, which means they just don't care as much

1046
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: and they're prepared to take risks. So and you know

1047
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 3: how men are with children, They're like, yeah, they don't

1048
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: really care.

1049
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1050
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 3: So now what you've got is granddad who is a man,

1051
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 3: and grandma who's basically behaving like a man. And so

1052
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: you've got two granddads, which is why grandparents are risky

1053
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 3: for the children, because yeah, because of the menopause. Look,

1054
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: it's far I know right now, it sounds completely far fetched,

1055
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: but you just have a little think about that, and

1056
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: it might explain why your mother, who used to be

1057
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: yeah like comman dunt is all of a sudden, I

1058
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: don't know, doing all kinds of crazy, wild things that

1059
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: you can't tell anybody about for fear of as I say,

1060
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: sip's getting involved anyway, mixed up. Let's have a chat

1061
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: about the fees free policy. Remember that old clanger. Yeah,

1062
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: there's a report that says it's a bad idea. We'll

1063
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: talk about it next.

1064
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

1065
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

1066
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: like no one else used talk.

1067
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: They'd be.

1068
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: Won't you win the body, I can do this all.

1069
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 13: You'll be down to.

1070
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: You have a catch a spark. Spark has taken the

1071
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 3: decision first Telco to take this decision in New Zealand

1072
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 3: to kind of ban some creepy stuff about kids online.

1073
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: So we'll run you through that when we talk to

1074
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: them after six Heather, we love our children dearly. This

1075
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: is from a grandparent. We love our children dearly, but

1076
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: we're busy and stressed about getting parenting right when our

1077
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: kids were little. But by the time the grandkids came along,

1078
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 3: we're pretty comfortable about our own parenting results. Oh that's lovely,

1079
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 3: isn't it. You've looked at your children and you thought, oh,

1080
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: not half bad, and then those little people melt our

1081
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: hearts like you wouldn't believe. So we do fun stuff

1082
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 3: with them and don't stress the mess. That's a different

1083
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: role and we love it. Actually, yeah, I mean it

1084
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: is fine if the grandparents are a bit nutty from

1085
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: time to time.

1086
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 13: Loll.

1087
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: They're nutty though.

1088
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: Hey.

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Speaker 3: David Farrer has just tweeted this out. The Broadcasting Standards

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Speaker 3: Authority has made a secret in principal decision that they

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Speaker 3: have the power to hear complaints and censor any audio

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Speaker 3: all video content transmitted over the Internet. This is an

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Speaker 3: outrageous power grab from a government censorship body and must

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Speaker 3: be fought. And Winston Peters is also tweeted about it.

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Speaker 3: David's with us on the huddle shortly, so we'll ask

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Speaker 3: him about it right now. It's twenty three away from

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Speaker 3: six now. A new report has found the university fees

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Speaker 3: free policy as a dead weight and should be scrapped.

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Speaker 3: You'll remember the policy. This is one brought in by

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Speaker 3: Jasinda Ardern. Next year's on us and then this government

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Speaker 3: swapped it to be the third year that was free,

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Speaker 3: not the first year. But the Ministry of Education reporter

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Speaker 3: has found there's no evidence that more people are signing

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Speaker 3: up for unique courses because of it. Gabriel Boyd is

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Speaker 3: Auckland University Students Association President with us.

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Speaker 20: Hello Gabriel, Hi, Heather, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Very welcome. Do you agree that it's not working?

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Speaker 20: I think to call it a dead weight is quite unfair.

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Speaker 20: I don't think it worked exactly the way the government planned.

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Speaker 20: But I would like to point out a couple of things.

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Speaker 20: I think the first being obviously, enrollments haven't seen the

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Speaker 20: spike that the government wasn't tending, but we don't know

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Speaker 20: the counterfactual. We don't know, and enrollments have been decreasing

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Speaker 20: since I believe two thousand and nine, and we don't

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Speaker 20: know what the case would have been had the fees

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Speaker 20: free scheme not been implemented in the first place. I

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Speaker 20: do also want to point out, in terms of reducing

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Speaker 20: debt levels for students, even assuming that in moments weren't

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Speaker 20: bumped at all by this policy, I think the twelve

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Speaker 20: thousand dollars that students saved that they can then put

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Speaker 20: towards accommodation, food, transportation with this cost of living does

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Speaker 20: make a huge impact.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously there are greater considerations than that,

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Speaker 3: like how much money the country's got, which is not

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Speaker 3: a lot. So if it hasn't done what it's designed

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Speaker 3: to do, should we just scrap it?

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Speaker 20: I don't think we should scrap it. I think the

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Speaker 20: government should look at I think more creative ways of

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Speaker 20: implementing it. Obviously, you have the labor plan, the first

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Speaker 20: year free, which was the whole purpose of that, obviously,

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Speaker 20: to reduce the parity at universities, which doesn't look like

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Speaker 20: it worked out. National then comes in and says final

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Speaker 20: years free, and it doesn't look like retention or completion

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Speaker 20: was really helped by that very much either. I think

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Speaker 20: a hybrid model whereby first year is free contingent on

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Speaker 20: the completion of a degree, I think that would not

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Speaker 20: only sort of push what Labor and National were hoping

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Speaker 20: to get out of their rail.

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Speaker 6: I think it would be.

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Speaker 3: Regu that it had no impact whatsoever.

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Speaker 20: Even we never tried first year free contingent on completion.

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Speaker 3: But but we did first year free contingent on nothing

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Speaker 3: and it didn't. It didn't push up, it didn't. It

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Speaker 3: just did not push up enrollments.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, again, we don't know the counterfactual. Enrollments have been

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Speaker 20: decreasing steadily over time. Obviously, it's we're not in a vacuum.

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Speaker 20: We do have COVID to look at as well, and

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Speaker 20: to claim I think the broad claim that had this

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Speaker 20: not been implemented, the enrollment numbers would have been the

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Speaker 20: exact sam. I don't think that's a completely fair claim

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Speaker 20: to make.

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Speaker 3: All right, Gabriel, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Mate.

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Speaker 3: That's Gabriel boyd Auckland University Students Association President. Right now

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Speaker 3: twenty away from six the.

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Speaker 1: in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle with me this evening we have David

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Speaker 3: Faraki we blog and Curiapolster and Jack Tame who's the

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Speaker 3: host of Q and A and Saturday mornings on z

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Speaker 3: BE High. Lads, Hello, David, tell me what the BSA

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Speaker 3: has done.

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Speaker 9: Well, we only know because the platform has actually released it.

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Speaker 6: But they made a secret and.

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Speaker 9: Principal decision that they not only can censor and regulate

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Speaker 9: traditional broadcasters, but people who broadcast over the Internet. And

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Speaker 9: lets be very clear, if you read their decision, it

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Speaker 9: means anyone who sends.

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Speaker 6: Audio or video over the Internet that's received by p one.

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Speaker 9: This is a massive power grab done in secret, and

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Speaker 9: it's not the way I say. Is there an issue

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Speaker 9: around who regulates and content? Yeah, government's had twenty reviews

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Speaker 9: on this. You know, the way you normally do is

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Speaker 9: MHL the policy discussion, green paper, white paper, you change

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Speaker 9: the law. But here the VSA has just in Secret

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Speaker 9: said no, we've decided we can now regulate you.

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Speaker 6: So I think this is going to back.

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Speaker 3: Let me just ask you how this Isn't there a

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Speaker 3: Broadcasting Standards Authority law that tells them what like where

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Speaker 3: they're re it starts and ends.

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Speaker 9: It does, and it talks about where you send a

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Speaker 9: program over the radio waves or similar telecommunication device, and

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Speaker 9: that can be picked up by a device design. From

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Speaker 9: what they've basically said as well, we think the Internet

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Speaker 9: has a telecommunications device and.

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Speaker 6: Anyone with a mobile.

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Speaker 9: Phone is there, and it's clearly not the case when

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Speaker 9: the Broadcasting It was.

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Speaker 6: Written, they clearly did not have the inter mind.

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Speaker 13: We noticed too, because the government has had numerous.

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Speaker 9: Reviews talking about how the Internet isn't covered by the

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Speaker 9: Broadcasting Act. But now the BSA and Secret have decided, Oh,

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Speaker 9: actually no, we think it is.

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Speaker 3: I love the BSA every day. I just love them more.

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Speaker 3: Hey Jack, on the subject of broadcasting and stuff, how

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Speaker 3: good are the new rules? You guys are able to

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Speaker 3: start playing ads during your program on.

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Speaker 10: A Sunday morning in a single handedly turn around the TV?

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Speaker 10: Doesnes I reckon?

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Speaker 17: Do you know what?

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Speaker 5: Though?

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Speaker 19: It is?

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Speaker 10: It's kind of funny for me because so we broke

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Speaker 10: os Q and A on Sunday Mornings live and at

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Speaker 10: the moment we have those like little ninety second long

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Speaker 10: station promos. But if you have four minute adds, it

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Speaker 10: actually means I get less time talking and less time interviewing,

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Speaker 10: which I'm not actually like as thrilled about as you

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Speaker 10: might imagine.

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Speaker 3: Nah, No, you don't need to do that. You can

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Speaker 3: just cut one of f o Owen's packages.

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Speaker 13: No, I would never do that.

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Speaker 10: That'd be the That'd be the absolute last thing I

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Speaker 10: would cut.

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Speaker 3: Well, then, but on the bright side, you've got enough

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Speaker 3: time now to pop out for a quickly we you know,

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Speaker 3: make a cup of tea, you do stuff like that

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Speaker 3: which you haven't had a chance to do.

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Speaker 6: That's true.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I know. A thousand small violence plays with

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Speaker 13: us struggling to be presented on.

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Speaker 3: Sunday morning in case you don't need the money.

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Speaker 6: We do need the money.

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Speaker 10: I just don't know that it's going to be enough

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Speaker 10: to turn things around. I'm not sure that nobody such

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Speaker 10: a huge no, I know, but in the you know,

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Speaker 10: with a huge shadow of Google and Facebook looming over

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Speaker 10: the New Zealand Brook things actor, I don't know that

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Speaker 10: our Sunday morning ads and Christmas is going to turn

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Speaker 10: think around that much.

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Speaker 3: Maybe no help, it'll help, David. This is one of

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Speaker 3: those things you have to wonder. I mean, once upon

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Speaker 3: a time it would have made sense, but you have

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Speaker 3: to wonder. Help in God's name. It lasted till twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five.

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Speaker 9: I know, there's so many archaic laws. Yo, it's amazing

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Speaker 9: it wasn't repealed early.

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Speaker 17: It's jack case.

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Speaker 6: It will make very little financial.

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Speaker 13: Difference, but it just was there a good.

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Speaker 6: Reason to keep it? And the answer is no.

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Speaker 9: Hopefully, what sensible broadcasters will do is say, we still

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Speaker 9: want to have fifty minutes of Jack on a here,

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Speaker 9: so we'll make it a sixty five minute program rather

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Speaker 9: than reduce the actual Jack.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about that? Ninety and yeah?

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Speaker 13: Exactly. I mean give the people why they one day? David,

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Speaker 13: you know, ninety minutes here?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Now, Jack?

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question. Is it true that

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Speaker 3: Q and A broadcasts on a Sunday morning because there

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Speaker 3: are no ads?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: Why does it broadcast on a Sunday morning? I think

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Speaker 3: to punish you.

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Speaker 10: No, I actually I actually preferred Sunday mornings because for

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Speaker 10: a couple of reasons.

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Speaker 13: So I think when they originally.

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Speaker 10: Did it, it was modeled off overseas versions which had

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Speaker 10: public policy programs on Sunday mornings. The reason I actually

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Speaker 10: like having it on Sunday mornings personally is that it

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Speaker 10: fits quite elegantly into the political week, and that if

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Speaker 10: you think about when cabinet meets, think about post cabin asence,

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Speaker 10: you think when policies are announced in things, it gives

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Speaker 10: us a bit of a bit of space to consider

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Speaker 10: what's happened in the week and try and take a

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Speaker 10: kind of bird's eye view. So I'm quite happy with it.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I haven't had a rowdy Saturday night in

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Speaker 10: about ten years anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you definitely were old before your time. All Right,

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Speaker 3: we'll take a break, come back talk about politics. Cinnamon

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Speaker 3: at quarter to two the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southurby's International Realty find your one

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Speaker 1: of a kind.

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Speaker 3: But back on the huddle with us we have David Farah,

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame Jack. Now the Smarty Party business. How does

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Speaker 3: this end? Do you think they just break awast?

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Speaker 10: I certainly think it's extremely likely, given just how acrimonious

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Speaker 10: things have been over the last few days. I mean,

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Speaker 10: I mean, I can't imagine given that email the other

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Speaker 10: nights that there's going to be any sort of day

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Speaker 10: time when it comes to some members of the party

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Speaker 10: and the Kupa King family. There could be wrong on

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Speaker 10: that front, but I can't see it turning around. And

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Speaker 10: I mean it just you know, it's pretty extraordinary really

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Speaker 10: you consider what's gone through the House this week. We've

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Speaker 10: just had the Marina and Coastal Areas at brought forward

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Speaker 10: in the House for you know, what was.

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Speaker 13: Essentially a legislation that.

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Speaker 10: You know, with the genesis of to Party Mardi and

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Speaker 10: instead of focusing on, you know, offering meaningful opposition to that,

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Speaker 10: instead you have their MPs at six and seven's bickering away,

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Speaker 10: you know. And if anyone thought that would be going

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Speaker 10: into next years election without having questions about whether or

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Speaker 10: not to Party Mardi would be a rely governing partner,

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Speaker 10: I mean, yeah, this is this is pretty extraordinary. I mean,

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Speaker 10: I think it is going to be the question for

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Speaker 10: Chris Hopkins in the in the immediate.

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Speaker 3: Future, David, do they break a pass.

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Speaker 6: That they really have to lot?

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Speaker 13: The email they out.

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Speaker 9: Was designed to destroy that MP's reputation so there's no

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Speaker 9: way you can see that she is going to be

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Speaker 9: a candidate for them at next election.

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Speaker 5: Ah, what happens in the interim?

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe not even Parku the feris, but what

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Speaker 3: happens in the interim? Can they hobble along for another

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Speaker 3: years as a collective party or do those who have

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Speaker 3: to break apart?

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Speaker 9: I think that's quite possible that they'll break apart before

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Speaker 9: the election. Might not necessarily be be two to four,

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Speaker 9: It could even be three to three, because it's not

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Speaker 9: just about the MPs, it's about what the electorates are

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Speaker 9: are going.

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Speaker 2: To do there.

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Speaker 3: Who's going to be the third David.

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Speaker 6: Well who's not a co leader or not a new MP?

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Speaker 3: Hmm, Hannah RAFTI my piek.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so I would watch the very carefully.

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Speaker 3: I think you might be.

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Speaker 10: It would be interesting though, because because they can of

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Speaker 10: course be waker jumped, right even if they're one electric seat,

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Speaker 10: there can be waker jump technically. But the question would

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Speaker 10: be whether or not if they split they to party.

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Speaker 10: Mardi would be game for a by election and somewhere

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Speaker 10: like to tie Tolkioo. Given I think there'd be no

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Speaker 10: guarantees as to the results of that especially after.

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Speaker 3: After you know about three by elections.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 10: It's it's unlikely, but it's not inconceivable.

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Speaker 3: Party anything can happen, Jack, But I mean.

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Speaker 10: This is the thing, right, you know, electoral MPs can

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Speaker 10: be waker jumped.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, now, David Listen, I I had a chat

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Speaker 3: to Barry about this earlier. There is a problem when

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Speaker 3: you start talking about things like is happening with Chris

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Speaker 3: lux about who's going to succeed and you've got polls

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Speaker 3: saying it's going to be Chris Bishops and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is he in

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Speaker 3: dangerous territory?

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Speaker 13: Yet he's not?

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Speaker 9: But the facts someone did a poll is the story.

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Speaker 9: The actual result was most people don't have a view. Basically, oh,

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 9: sixteen percent ahead of twelve percent doesn't mean anything, but

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 9: the media have obviously decided or in this case the

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Speaker 9: post that you know, there's enough grumblings that soul run

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 9: a pole and it does partly become itself selling propcy.

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Speaker 9: The really he is when Jasindra During and John Key

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Speaker 9: we're prime ministers, no one ran polls about who you

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01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 9: want to succeed them because it's ridiculous. I still don't

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Speaker 9: think it changes in any way the basic logic, which is,

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Speaker 9: you're crazy to consider changing your leader your first.

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Speaker 6: Term in government. It's never been done, has never worked, etc.

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Speaker 6: But it's unhelpful.

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Speaker 13: The great saving grace sanjects of.

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Speaker 9: That is tipahi mai, because not only will be scaring

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Speaker 9: people off the left, it's such a great distraction for

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Speaker 9: the government.

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Speaker 3: Sadly, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Jack?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean when it comes to speculation about a leader,

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Speaker 10: I'm kind of of the put up or shut up

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01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 10: camp and that I think, like it's just kind of

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Speaker 10: sometimes it can honestly be a bit of a lazy

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Speaker 10: media narrative like, oh, here we go watching these polls.

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Speaker 10: You know, a long way out from an election, and

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Speaker 10: a prime minister isn't as popular as.

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Speaker 5: It might be.

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Speaker 10: That being said, clearly there is a sense of, you know,

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Speaker 10: a wide sprints of dissatisfaction with the economy at the moment,

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Speaker 10: which I think is directly linked to National's popularity. In particular,

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Speaker 10: Christopher Luxon hasn't enjoyed the same levels of support that

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Speaker 10: ar Dern, Key and even Clark.

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Speaker 13: Enjoyed, and really in a way he kind of represents.

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Speaker 10: A bit of a change from those prime ministers who

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 10: occupied the office for multiple terms in that he isn't

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Speaker 10: a huge force of personality. You know, for the most part,

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Speaker 10: if you think back to whether it was Clark or

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Speaker 10: Key or a Dern that those governments were led by

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Speaker 10: really big personalities. They might have been polarizing, but they

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 10: were big personalities and don't know that you put a

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Speaker 10: cig and so yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks guys, good to talk to you, Jack, Dame

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Speaker 3: Devia farre Huddle this evening seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 13: It be.

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Speaker 6: Heather.

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting for Joe Rogan to apologize for something he

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Speaker 3: said after receiving his New Zealand BSA letter. I love

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Speaker 3: that the BSA has done this. They've just got they've

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01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 3: got together in a little huddle, haven't they, And they've gone, hey, guys, okay,

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Speaker 3: what we're going to Well, we're going to decide we've

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01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 3: got new rules. So this is we're only allowed to

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Speaker 3: do this at the moment, but if we just change

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Speaker 3: the rules ourselves, then we're going to be allowed to

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Speaker 3: do it that much. Let's do it. Let's go for

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Speaker 3: the world. Off we go. Yeah, now this is not

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Speaker 3: how it works. We'll see how this goes. But because

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Speaker 3: by the way, by the way, what's important is that

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01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 3: Winnie doesn't love it. And if Winnie doesn't love it

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01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: and he's in government and not gonna happen. He's put

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Speaker 3: out a tweet saying why does the BSA think that

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: they can make up their own rules and secret meetings

1405
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: to act like some Soviet erastazi. The blatant overreach on

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01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: display by the BSA now dictating they can censor and

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01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: monitor anything transmitted on the Internet is highly concerning. Can

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Speaker 3: the BSA please tell us what the legal basis for

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01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 3: their recent outrageous action is quite I'm so looking forward

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Speaker 3: to an explanation from the BSA. Heather David is read right,

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01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 3: jeseus quite a lot of texts on the BSI. I

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Speaker 3: didn't realize they wound you guys up as much as

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01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 3: they wind me up anyway, hither, I'm not sure we're

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: having ads on Sundays is going to generate that much

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Speaker 3: extra revenue, because surely most advertisers will simply spread their

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Speaker 3: advertising spend over seven days rather than six. Well, Jennifer,

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Speaker 3: good point. But you're forgetting it's not just Sundays. It's

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Speaker 3: Anzac Day, it's Christmas Day, it's Good Friday, and it's

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Speaker 3: east to Sunday. Now, the important thing to understand here

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01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: is Christmas Day, because what happens on the day after

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Speaker 3: Christmas Day, that's right, Boxing Day sales. So what we're

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01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 3: what you're going to find is you're suddenly going to

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Speaker 3: have like Christmas Day is not the same as every

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Speaker 3: other day. Right, You've got basically the whole country doing nothing.

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: And if they're not at the beach, what are they

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Speaker 3: doing sitting in front of the goggles the goggle box.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna look there. And so what you're gonna do

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 3: is you're gonna have Harvey Norman, Harvey Norman ads, Harvey

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Speaker 3: Norman ads, no leaning ads, warehouse ads, all of the

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Speaker 3: Boxing Day sales ads. And that's not something that you

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01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 3: can do, you know, every other day of the year.

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Speaker 3: So I think I think there's some some good dollars

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Speaker 3: coming in. Anyway, I'm over an out of time to

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Speaker 3: tell you about what Paul Conway has said, the Reserve

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01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: Bank chief economist defending his money printing during the COVID pandemic.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna want to hear it, so we'll get to

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01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 3: that shortly. G Native Trainey is also going to talk

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01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 3: us through it when she's with us after half past six,

1439
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: sat through the whole speech. But next up, let's have

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Speaker 3: a chat to Spark.

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Speaker 2: You got a fareest come he's a fast enough so

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01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: we can fly away.

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 21: Still gonna make your decision, leave none and even die

1444
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 21: this way.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Inside Love a Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

1446
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 1: Ellen and Mas for insurance Investments and Chilie Safer.

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 2: You're in good hands Newstalk sab.

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01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, j know TIBs.

1449
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 3: Trainey is going to talk us through the Reserve Bank

1450
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: defending its money printing during COVID Milford asset management on

1451
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: the US government shutdown really starting to have an effect

1452
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Speaker 3: in Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK

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Speaker 3: right now at a seven past six. Now, Spark has

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Speaker 3: become the first New Zealand talco to block websites that

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Speaker 3: are hosting AI generated child sex abuse material stuff that's

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Speaker 3: non for photographic. Now what that means is it doesn't

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01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 3: look realistic it's cartoon style images or artistic impressions of

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Speaker 3: child abuse material. Leela Ashford is Spark sustainability director and

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Speaker 3: with me Hi, Leela.

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Speaker 22: Hey, Heather, how are you going good?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: The Internet Watch Foundation records they've seen about a four

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Speaker 3: hundred percent increase of this kind of stuff AI generated stuff.

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Speaker 3: Are you seeing that?

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Speaker 22: So we basically see it through the IWF, So we

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Speaker 22: take a list that they pile rather than going and

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Speaker 22: I guess finding it ourselves because it is illegal content.

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Speaker 22: But yes, they've told us that it's been rising by

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Speaker 22: about four hundred percent and that includes both you know,

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Speaker 22: photorealistic as well as non photographic images and videos, which

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Speaker 22: is really concerning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so are they the ones who tell you

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Speaker 3: what websites to block?

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Speaker 22: That's right, because you know, Spark can't have its people

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01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 22: obviously going and trawling for that kind of material. It

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Speaker 22: would be illegal for us to access it. So the

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Speaker 22: way that it works is IWF has its own organization

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Speaker 22: in place, It has appropriate people who are trained to

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Speaker 22: identify this content. They create a list that automatically it's

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Speaker 22: automated to come into our network, and then we block

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Speaker 22: it and that list gets updated around twice a day,

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Speaker 22: so it's very current.

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Speaker 3: How many websites you've blocked.

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Speaker 22: We don't have a specific tracking of it at this

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Speaker 22: stage because we've just implemented broad it in. But the

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Speaker 22: IWF list itself can be anywhere from thousands to tens

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Speaker 22: of thousands, but because it's updated twice a day, that

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Speaker 22: number does change over time.

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Speaker 3: What about a site like Twitter? Would you go as

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Speaker 3: far as to block that?

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Speaker 22: No, So this is the challenge with network blocking. It's

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Speaker 22: a bit of a blunt instrument. So the only thing

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 22: that Spark can do is block at a total network level,

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01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 22: so that means we block a whole domain or a

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Speaker 22: whole website. So when IWS says to us, this whole

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Speaker 22: website is full of this awful material, then we block it.

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 22: But if it was something hosted within a Facebook page

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Speaker 22: or a post, for example, the only tool we have

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Speaker 22: available is to block Facebook for everyone on the Spark network,

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01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 22: which obviously we can't do. So you do need a

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Speaker 22: number of different interventions to tackle this issue.

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Speaker 3: But that is though, Leela, I guess I mean that

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Speaker 3: shows just the extent of what we can do, which

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Speaker 3: is that we can't get rid of it all right,

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 3: because even if we've blocked every single bad website out there,

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Speaker 3: there will still be people who use Twitter to share

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Speaker 3: this kind of thing.

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Speaker 22: Absolutely, and I think if there are people who want

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Speaker 22: to access this material, they will, They will get around

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Speaker 22: our network blocking with certain tools. But what we're trying

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Speaker 22: to do, I guess, is to protect particularly kids, but

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Speaker 22: any of our customers from inadvertently stumbling across this because

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Speaker 22: this content isn't just on the dark Web, it's across

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Speaker 22: the Internet.

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Speaker 3: Hey are you worried? Unrelated, but are you worried about

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Speaker 3: the three G shutdown?

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Speaker 22: We're doing a lot of work on the three G shutdown. Obviously,

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Speaker 22: this is you know, the old version, the old G,

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Speaker 22: and we're now into four G and we've got five

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Speaker 22: G coming going.

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Speaker 3: To shut down.

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Speaker 22: Well, we've been communicating to our customers who are using

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Speaker 22: devices that are impacted by three G. So you'll start

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Speaker 22: to notice you're either getting direct messages or when you

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Speaker 22: start to make a call on your phone, it or

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Speaker 22: start to say, hey, you're dialing from a device that

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Speaker 22: is impacted. There are devices like what you were talking

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Speaker 22: about that are not necessarily connected to us, like IoT

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Speaker 22: sensors or medical alarms and generally those businesses and managing

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Speaker 22: their communications, but we're working very closely with them to

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Speaker 22: ensure that we're giving everyone a really long heads up

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Speaker 22: before it shuts down.

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Speaker 3: Yes year, yeah, hey, thank you very much. Lela, look

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Speaker 3: after yourself. Leila ash But sustainability director at Sparky. So

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Speaker 3: what's happening is the three G shutdown is starting in December.

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Speaker 3: It's starting on December thirty one. I think two degrees

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Speaker 3: and one New Zealand go on December thirty first, and

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Speaker 3: then spark shuts theirs down in March next year. And

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Speaker 3: people are raising alarm because when they did this in Australia,

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Speaker 3: it did not go well. It did not go well,

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Speaker 3: and a whole bunch of devices. People were like, what's

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Speaker 3: going on? I didn't know? Oh yeah, they warned you,

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Speaker 3: but no, you didn't know. An e Road is one

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Speaker 3: of the companies raising alarm today because some of the

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Speaker 3: small business customers that use e road are still using

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Speaker 3: truck tracking devices that rely on the three G network

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Speaker 3: and it's just gonna shut down. If you're still using it,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna shut down one day and you're gonna go

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Speaker 3: what happened? And if you've got a Kindle smart device

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Speaker 3: sold before. Smart devices like Kindle sold before twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: relying on the three G that's going to shut down

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Speaker 3: medical devices, electric gate security alarms, So check it out.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you haven't got the three.

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Speaker 2: G six twelve heavers due for so.

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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank economists Chief economist Paul Conway has defended the

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Speaker 3: money printing during the COVID ap epidemic. He's given a

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Speaker 3: speech to Sydney. In Sydney to an investment conference, he

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Speaker 3: said the Reserve Bank's money printing policy during the pandemic

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Speaker 3: paid for itself and help keep the economy functioning at

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Speaker 3: a time of stress. The bond buying program, which is

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Speaker 3: known as a large scale asset purchases you may remember,

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Speaker 3: basically lost the economy ten and a half billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: but he says in mind because it had significant benefits

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Speaker 3: by boosting economic activity during the pandemic. The program increased

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Speaker 3: government tax range revenues, and this higher revenue almost entirely

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Speaker 3: covered the direct losses from the program, leaving consolidated crownd

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Speaker 3: program also restored financial market confidence, then lowered long term

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Speaker 3: interest rates, which held down the exchange rate and supported exports.

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Speaker 3: He said, if they could have gone negative with the

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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank never blames themselves for anything that happened. According

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Speaker 3: on drugs. We pay around two hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 3: with me Hy Brendan if you go that, Okay, government

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Speaker 3: shutdown in the US really starting to have an effect

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Speaker 3: because we're currently flying totally blind when it comes to

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Speaker 3: official data what's going on here?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, look, there's still certainly a lot of fireworks going

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Speaker 23: off to spite no official government data. But I think

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Speaker 23: it is worth sort of stepping back first to understand

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Speaker 23: why we're actually in this government shut down. Each year,

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Speaker 23: the US federal budget needs to be approved by Congress

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Speaker 23: for spending across key departments. So of Congress and the

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Speaker 23: President can't agree on a budget, the US government is

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Speaker 23: legally required to shut.

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01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 24: Down as there's no authority to spend. So that means

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01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 24: non essential government operations stop and essential services operate without pay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and why is it that Congress and the President

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Speaker 3: can't agree on the budget.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, so this is a really important point. So the

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Speaker 24: Democrats are making healthcare a priority, so they're wanting to

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Speaker 24: reverse changes made to Medicaid and Trump's Big Beautiful Bill.

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Speaker 24: So these changes were effectively making it more difficult to

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Speaker 24: get healthcare cover by changing work requirements and more frequent

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Speaker 24: eligibility checks. They also want to renew these ACA tax credits,

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Speaker 24: which really just provide cheaper health insurance for low income consumers.

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Speaker 24: So the changes were made to free up spending for

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Speaker 24: other areas of the bill. But Democrats are really pushing

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Speaker 24: back quite aggressively on this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, talk to me about the timing of this and

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Speaker 3: what the impact is.

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Speaker 24: So, yeah, the timing is probably a hard one, but

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Speaker 24: I'd say that this isn't the first time we've had

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Speaker 24: a government shutdown. In fact, it's the twenty first funding

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Speaker 24: gap and the third shutdown under President Trump. The last

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Speaker 24: shutdown was actually under his administration twenty nineteen and was

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Speaker 24: the longest.

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Speaker 6: In history in that lasted thirty five days.

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Speaker 24: We're fourteen days in now, and polymarket odds suggest a

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01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 24: sixty five percent chance of this one lasting more than

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Speaker 24: thirty days. On the sort of economic impact, the shutdown

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Speaker 24: means that around seven hundred and fifty thousand federal employees

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Speaker 24: have been placed on furlough, so they're not getting paid. Historically,

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Speaker 24: we've seen growth slow down in that time period as

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Speaker 24: a result of that, but a roughly equal catch up

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,879
Speaker 24: and growth in the sort of following quarter. The difference

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Speaker 24: this time is that we know following doge and these

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Speaker 24: other sort of announcements that the Trump administration have wanted

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Speaker 24: to reduce the size of the government, and so there

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Speaker 24: is some risk of layoffs of these furloughed employees, and

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Speaker 24: we've seen sort of Trump make noise of this already.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now, before I let you go, Brandon brand and

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Speaker 3: I just want to talk to you about the tariff

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Speaker 3: threats from Trump last week. How's that playing out of

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Speaker 3: the moment.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, Look, the market was clearly focused on this announcement.

1664
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 24: We saw a big reaction, but really there has been

1665
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 24: ongoing tit for tat over recent months. So the US

1666
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 24: had actually been agitating by placing more Chinese companies on

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Speaker 24: their trade restriction list and banning Chinese carriers from flying

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Speaker 24: over Russia on US bound flights. In response, China reciprocated

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 24: many measures, but more importantly, placed further controls around their

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Speaker 24: rare earth that are critical to many US interests, including

1671
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Speaker 24: military equipment and technology as well. And so that's really

1672
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Speaker 24: what culminated in these threats from President Trump on Friday

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01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 24: of a new one hundred percent tariff on top of

1674
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Speaker 24: existing tarr and so where that goes from here is

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01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 24: still unknown. But President Trump and President g we're supposed

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Speaker 24: to be having a meeting at the Apex summit later

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Speaker 24: this month, and so hopefully we get some sort of

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01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 24: resolution ahead of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah very much. Hey Bret Brendan, thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for talking us through that. Brendan, Lars and Milford Asset Management.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm into The Diplomat Season three?

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Speaker 3: The Diplomat season three is premiering tomorrow. I know, and

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Speaker 3: mea cattered me just then. He was looking down, not

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Speaker 3: paying any interest. I said tomorrow. He looked straight up.

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Speaker 3: He was like, That's what I'm doing with my tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Allison from the West Wing and then the existing cast

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Speaker 3: of The Diplomat. Oh, just you know what. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: that would have just wound them up, something chronic. So

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Speaker 3: They just changed the definition of everything. So basically, because

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Speaker 3: you get words, who cares? So they changed the definition

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Speaker 3: and now the platform is caught up. But as somebody

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Speaker 3: pointed out earlier, so was Joe Rogan, so was every

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Speaker 3: other podcast that has made in this country.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you listen to podcasts on the red,

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Speaker 3: but there are some podcasts that are listened to, like

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Speaker 3: About three People. They are now called because the BSA

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01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,599
Speaker 3: is just giving themselves like ten thousand years of work. Basically,

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01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 3: you can now if the BSA upholds this and if this,

1737
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 3: if this actually holds, which it's not going to because dumb,

1738
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 3: but if it does, what it means is you can

1739
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: complain about every single podcast. Now you tune the eight, go,

1740
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 3: go listen to the alternative commentary can be called whatever

1741
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 3: they called. You know, the Cricket Boys, the silly cricket boys.

1742
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: They swear. Every third word out of their mouth is

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01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 3: a swear word. Swear words I'm not allowed to say

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01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: on the radio because of the BSA. Now you can

1745
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 3: complain about them. Go straight that goes that you don't like,

1746
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 3: you don't like those boys doing the cricket commentary, complain

1747
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Speaker 3: to the BSA and yeah, I cannot wait to find

1748
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Speaker 3: out how the BSA is going to draw the line

1749
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Speaker 3: and go no, no, no, we're only doing New Zealand podcasts.

1750
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Speaker 3: We're not going to worry about Joe Rogan. I look

1751
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 3: forward to finding out how Susie Staley, John Gillespie, Adouhabek

1752
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 3: and Karen Fenton, Alice, people you've heard of are going

1753
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 3: to deal with this one. Six twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: It's no business like show business.

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Speaker 3: The song is called let Your hair. Hang down, you're

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01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 3: about to find out why. Turn out, the seventies are

1757
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 3: back in a big way. Yes you knew that, but

1758
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Speaker 3: probably not the way you'd hope. Kim Kardashian is a

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Speaker 3: business module. She has TV shows, she has a skin

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Speaker 3: care line. She's done it all right, So she also

1761
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 3: has her skims brand, you know the one I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: They make ath leisure. You know, like leisure were for athletes,

1763
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Speaker 3: shape were for women. They've got a new product. It's

1764
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Speaker 3: the basically what they've done is they've taken a G string.

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01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 3: The BSSA is listening now. They're listening now. They're like,

1766
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 3: wait for it here that we're coming for you. Listen

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Speaker 3: to this. They've taken a G string and then they've

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01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 3: glued a murkin on the front. And I wish I

1769
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 3: was telling you a joke. But it's called the Ultimate

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Speaker 3: Bush and it comes in four hair colors, black, brunette,

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Speaker 3: blonde red for those who feel a bit spicy. You

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Speaker 3: can also get them curly and straight. And they've dropped

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Speaker 3: an ad today.

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Speaker 5: Does the cartoons cash to Drape?

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Speaker 2: Did your host shot godless skins? Faux harmpans? The Ultimate.

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Speaker 3: Okay? So sold out?

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Speaker 9: Online.

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Speaker 3: You can't get it, but if you if it comes

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Speaker 3: back into stock seventy New Zealand dollars and hard to

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Speaker 3: know whether this is real or not, but probably given

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Speaker 3: that it's Kim Kardashian, it's real. So wild she native

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Speaker 3: training with us.

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Speaker 1: Next everything from SMS to the big corporates, the Business

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Hand's back and text to say she missed what channel

1788
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Speaker 3: the diplomat was on because she was bother was getting

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Speaker 3: out of her car at the time. So whereas it's

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Speaker 3: and it's on Netflix, I do appreciate that you got

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Speaker 3: out of your car and then you still somehow switched

1792
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 3: to another device to be able to listen to us.

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01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 3: That is good. Good from you, and listen. Gen Z's

1794
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 3: in the workplace. We're gonna have to talk and talk

1795
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 3: about it in a minute, so stand by for that.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three away from seven. Do you remember how the

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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank printed huge amounts of money during COVID. This

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Speaker 3: was the so called Large Scale Asset Program, which was

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Speaker 3: worth fifty five billion dollars. The Bank has just published

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Speaker 3: new research that concludes that none of it meaningfully contributed

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Speaker 3: to our huge inflation problem, because, of course not. Janet

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Speaker 3: Tipsrani is The Herald's Wellington Business editor and after a

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Speaker 3: very long period, Away is back with us. Hello, Jane, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 3: welcome back. Now do we buy this argument from Paul Conway?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: Look, I mean I'm no expert, but I'll explain the thinking.

1807
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Speaker 25: So at the pandemic, as you said before, the Reserve

1808
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Speaker 25: Bank effectively created fifty five billion dollars, use that money

1809
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Speaker 25: to help keep interest rates down, you know, tried to

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Speaker 25: stimulate the economy. Of course, in twenty twenty one, twenty

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Speaker 25: twenty two, we had huge inflation. Now a lot of us,

1812
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Speaker 25: you know, would point the finger at the whole government

1813
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Speaker 25: Reserve Bank response, But often there's been this narrative that

1814
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Speaker 25: the money printing part was a major contributing factor. Now,

1815
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Speaker 25: poor Conway and staff at the Reserve Bank said actually no,

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Speaker 25: like yes, it had had an effect, but not a

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Speaker 25: huge effect. The reason is because that program largely affected

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Speaker 25: the exchange rate, so it weakened the New Zealand dollar.

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Speaker 25: That helped exporters, and that boosted the economy. Basically, they're

1820
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Speaker 25: saying that, unlike the OCR it didn't have a big

1821
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Speaker 25: effect on consumer demand. So when the Reserve Bank cuts

1822
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Speaker 25: the OCR, that affects short term interest rates, that makes

1823
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Speaker 25: people's mortgages cheaper and gets them out in the economy

1824
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Speaker 25: spending more. That has more of a direct impact on

1825
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Speaker 25: economic demand and therefore inflation. So Paul Conway is saying, look,

1826
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Speaker 25: you know, money printing isn't perfect, lots of downsides, but

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Speaker 25: we should be weary of pointing to that and isolating

1828
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Speaker 25: it and saying, don't never do that again, because it's

1829
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Speaker 25: the reason we had large inflation.

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Speaker 3: Do we also buy the argument that even though they

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Speaker 3: lost nearly eleven billion dollars, it was okay because it

1832
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Speaker 3: drove up the tax take for the government, so it

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Speaker 3: paid for itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 25: Look, this has been a issue that I've had for some time.

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Speaker 25: Basically because of the mechanics of the money printing, it

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Speaker 25: came at a direct cost to the government of about

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Speaker 25: nearly eleven billion dollars. That's a lot of money, right,

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Speaker 25: But the Reserve Bank is saying that actually the large

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Speaker 25: show as a purchase program did stimulate the economy. You know,

1841
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Speaker 25: that meant people paid more tax and it also suppressed

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Speaker 25: the interest rates that the government paid for all the

1843
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Speaker 25: debt that it took out at the time. And for

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Speaker 25: the first time it tried to put some numbers to that. Now,

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Speaker 25: it's very hard to put numbers to that, to say,

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Speaker 25: you know, the governments invent died all stimulus. Now which

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01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 25: part of the stimulus are we putting down just to

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Speaker 25: this one program? And then looking at the costs and saying, well,

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Speaker 25: what you know, how did that benefit the government? The

1850
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Speaker 25: Bank has done that for the first time, and it

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Speaker 25: said it's concluded that the costs and the benefits, direct

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01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 25: costs and direct gains to the government in terms of

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Speaker 25: money were about the same. So while we talk a

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Speaker 25: lot about this eleven billion dollar cost, they say that

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Speaker 25: the tax revenue and the lower interest costs that the

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Speaker 25: government faced were about worth the same.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the god here, Jana is that they're marking

1859
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 3: their own homework, right, And so everybody's gonna look at

1860
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 3: it another fair explanation. But actually you'd like somebody independent

1861
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 3: to give, you know, to do a similar exercise, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 25: Yes, And the Reserve Bank did d a review of

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01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 25: its response and publish those findings in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 25: and had them pair reviewed. But I have been calling

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Speaker 25: for some time for just, you know, for them to

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Speaker 25: try to do the maths and to say, well, this

1867
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 25: was the cost and this was the direct benefit. I mean,

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Speaker 25: it's kind of baffling that it's taken this long to

1869
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Speaker 25: get to this conclusion. And it's kind of I mean,

1870
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Speaker 25: it's kind of unfortunate because all this time there has

1871
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 25: been this narrative that that money printing is a terrible

1872
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 25: thing because look at the effect and look at the cost.

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Speaker 25: I think that what Paul Conways tried to do here

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01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 25: is to say, yes, you know, sure, but here's a

1875
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 25: more nuanced discussion and here's some modeling and here's some figures.

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Speaker 25: So I think that the bank can be commended for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. Hey, thank you very much.

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Speaker 9: Jane.

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Speaker 3: It's nice to have you back. This genetive training of

1880
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Speaker 3: the Herald in Wellington. It's nineteen away from seven. Heather

1881
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Speaker 3: duplesl you guys introducing some tougher rules for the levels

1882
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Speaker 3: of English that the migrants have to speak. Gavin Grave

1883
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 3: will talk us through that shortly. So there is a

1884
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Speaker 3: piece in one of the International websites, news websites listening

1885
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 3: the six reasons they say that gen z are ruining

1886
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 3: the workplace, things like walking in late, walking out early,

1887
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 3: fixating on wellness, and woke causes dressing down like and

1888
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 3: they cite the example of one bloke who came into

1889
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 3: work in skin tight leather trousers and goth makeup because

1890
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 3: he was going to have to go to a gig

1891
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 3: that night and wouldn't have time to change, wearing noise

1892
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 3: canceling headphones, which is probably because they spend so much

1893
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 3: time alone nowadays, the young ones that they can't handle

1894
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,560
Speaker 3: the noise of other people, and also demanding safe space workplaces,

1895
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 3: like you know the silver Ferns who are currently complaining

1896
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: about Dame Noles. So we've seen all of this stuff.

1897
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 3: My absolute favorite was that the first one that they

1898
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 3: had on the list, which is dodging phone calls, which

1899
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 3: we know that they do because we've try calling a

1900
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Speaker 3: young person on the phone. Nowadays, they're not going to

1901
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,919
Speaker 3: pick the thing up. And they cite this example. Miranda,

1902
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 3: a forty seven year old marketing executive, phoned a young

1903
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 3: applicant to conduct an interview, but when the twenty something

1904
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 3: picked up the call. He remained completely silent. All I

1905
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 3: heard was him breathing, said Miranda, which was really creepy

1906
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 3: because it would have been like this, It would just

1907
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 3: been like click, and then you're not going to get

1908
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 3: the job if you do that.

1909
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Speaker 11: Mate.

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Speaker 3: That's weird. Bizarre as it was, the incident is far

1911
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Speaker 3: from all one off. Many younger workers of you calls

1912
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: with utter horror. Emma, who's twenty two and a lawyer,

1913
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 3: admits to dreading phone calls. She says, if I don't

1914
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Speaker 3: know who's calling, I let it ring out. It's partly anxiety,

1915
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 3: our anxiety, and the partly that I don't always have

1916
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 3: the social energy for it. I much prefer messaging people now. Listen,

1917
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Speaker 3: everybody has their weird things. Can we just talk about

1918
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 3: this for a second. Everybody's got their weird things, right,

1919
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 3: And absolutely I kind of understand from time to time

1920
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 3: you're so busy. I don't know about you, but sometimes

1921
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 3: you're busy and you're doing something and kids are talking

1922
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 3: to you, and the husband's wanting to understand what's going

1923
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 3: on with the washing machine because it's not working because

1924
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,560
Speaker 3: he's probably thought it was the dryer, and there's like

1925
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 3: a thousand things going on, and then your mum calls

1926
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 3: you and you go, oh, I can't answer the phone.

1927
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna let it ring out and I'll call

1928
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 3: her back when I've got a minute. I get that.

1929
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Speaker 3: But not answering the phone because it makes you anxious

1930
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Speaker 3: is so unbelievably weird, isn't it? Like, really you need

1931
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 3: to check yourself of that. That's what's going on? Because

1932
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Speaker 3: can you imagine what is wrong with these children if

1933
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Speaker 3: they cannot answer that, If a phone ringing gives them anxiety,

1934
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 3: how is life going to be for them when they

1935
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Speaker 3: are actually dealing with the real life situation where your

1936
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Speaker 3: children are talking at you and the state's caught on

1937
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 3: fire and the toddler needs an emergency poo? How are

1938
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 3: you gonna deal with that? You're not going to be

1939
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 3: able to learn to answer the phone. It's as simple

1940
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 3: as that. That'll fix all the problems. Sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do.

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Speaker 1: With money, it matters to you the Business hour with

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Speaker 1: header dupic Ellen and Mas for insurance investments and Kueye

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Speaker 1: Safer and you're in good heads news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be Heather.

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Speaker 3: I'm fifty and I'm terrified of phone calls. It's the

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Speaker 3: unexpected conversation phobia. I do not believe that. I do

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Speaker 3: not believe that that is the thing. You're making that up,

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Speaker 3: that you cannot possibly have conversation phobia. Thirty What is that?

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Speaker 10: Even?

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Speaker 3: Thirteen away from seven? Gavin Gray, UK correspondent, Gavin, what

1952
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Speaker 3: do you believe that?

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure I do. It seems unlikely.

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Speaker 3: What even is that? Do you think that that's somebody

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Speaker 3: who thinks, oh, I don't have any small talk. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what to say to this person.

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Speaker 16: You see a bit of that on some of these

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Speaker 16: chat shows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously what you say when you don't

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Speaker 3: have anything to say is how's the weather with you?

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Speaker 3: It's so simple. Anyway, Kevin, listen to tell me there's

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Speaker 3: one stick in the little book and keep for later. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about this trial of the asylum seeker.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, this is a horrid trial that started which alleged

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Speaker 16: that a man from su Dan, who was staying in

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Speaker 16: a taxpayer funded hotel as an asylum seeker, having arrived

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Speaker 16: here on a small boat, followed allegedly followed the hotel

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Speaker 16: receptionist at the hotel, where he was staying, followed her

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Speaker 16: home to the railway station as far as she got,

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Speaker 16: and then allegedly stabbed at death with a screwdriver twenty

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Speaker 16: three times. She died in hospital three days later. And

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Speaker 16: it's being alleged that after this vicious and frenzied attack,

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Speaker 16: as it was described at a Warsaw hotel, well that's

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Speaker 16: in the Midlands, he was quote clearly excited about what

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Speaker 16: he had done and was seen on CCTV laughing and

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Speaker 16: dancing shortly after the killing. The violence carried out by

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Speaker 16: asylum seekers or those who come across on small boats

1978
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Speaker 16: illegally into the UK has really really hit the headlines

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Speaker 16: in a big way lately. Many believed people in this

1980
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Speaker 16: country are concerned that we haven't been told the full

1981
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Speaker 16: truth about some of the crimes because they aren't being

1982
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Speaker 16: linked to the fact there are asylum seekers or staying

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Speaker 16: in these hotels. Incidentally, it follows another case yesterday in

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Speaker 16: which a Afghan asylum seeker was sentenced to five years

1985
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Speaker 16: for threatening to kill Nigel Faraj, the leader of the

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Speaker 16: very popular in the polls Reform UK Party.

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Speaker 3: Now, how tough are these endlish speaking rules going to be?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 5: Pretty tough?

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Speaker 16: Because they're up to a level standard. What does that mean, Well,

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Speaker 16: that means the standard you have to reach in subjects

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Speaker 16: prior to going to university. Now, of course I did

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Speaker 16: not study English at a level, but it would seem

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Speaker 16: to be quite a high standard. And they want to

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Speaker 16: bring in these changes from January of next year. But

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Speaker 16: it won't apply for all of those who coming to

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Speaker 16: the UK, only of those and some graduates and applying

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Speaker 16: for those who want to skilled worker or scale up

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Speaker 16: visas as they're known, which are for people employed in

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Speaker 16: fast growing businesses. But this is the latest in a

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Speaker 16: series of initiatives to try and get tough on migrants,

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Speaker 16: and the new rules form part of these plans, which

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Speaker 16: are likely to be outlined in a white paper for

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Speaker 16: Law in May, and applicants will be tested in person

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Speaker 16: on their speaking, listening, reading and writing at approved providers,

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Speaker 16: with the results then checked as part of the visa process.

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Speaker 16: I have to say in the past there's been very

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Speaker 16: little checking to say that the person in front of

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Speaker 16: you is the person applying for that visa. So I

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Speaker 16: hope that's something the government will tough en up on.

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Speaker 16: But this is has said is the latest in a

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Speaker 16: long raft of measures to really help show. I think

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Speaker 16: that this government says it's determined to crack down on

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Speaker 16: migration here to the UK.

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Speaker 3: Now, Gevin, do we know who Margaret Thatcher is alleged

2016
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Speaker 3: to have had these affairs with?

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Speaker 16: We do so. Margaret Thatcher would have been one hundred

2018
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Speaker 16: years old this week, and therefore it's time for some

2019
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Speaker 16: to dip into the archives and find out more about her,

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Speaker 16: and of course to release books about her. And one

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Speaker 16: new book suggests that she had two affairs while married

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Speaker 16: to her husband Dennis. The Iron Lady was Prime Minister

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Speaker 16: from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen ninety. So who is

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Speaker 16: it she's alleged to have had an affair with. Well,

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Speaker 16: it was said to be a former MP for Spelthorne

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Speaker 16: that's nearer the airport. Sir Humphrey Atkins is his name.

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Speaker 16: He was Secretary of State for Northern Ireland under the

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Speaker 16: Iron Lady, as she's known Margaret Thatcher when she was

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Speaker 16: premier between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty one, and

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Speaker 16: then he was handed out life peerage in nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 16: He was married and had four children before dying in

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Speaker 16: nineteen ninety six, and the author claims that these affairs

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Speaker 16: were confirmed by two different sources within her sort of

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Speaker 16: sources within partially within government. And it's interesting because, of

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Speaker 16: course Margaret Thatcher had described Denis Thatcher, her husband, as

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Speaker 16: the golden thread running through my life, and indeed their

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Speaker 16: marriage lasted more than fifty years, so ideas that she

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Speaker 16: might have had not one but two affairs seems slightly odd. Incidentally,

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Speaker 16: there it was always very unusual. The Denis Thatcher was

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Speaker 16: very good friends to Mandy Rice Davies, a model and

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Speaker 16: showgirl heavily involved in the nineteen sixty three Perfumer affair,

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Speaker 16: and indeed it was said that they had had a

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Speaker 16: holiday together at one point. No response yet from the

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Speaker 16: Thatcher family, but I would imagine they would be dismissing

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Speaker 16: this out of hand, knowing that, of course you can't

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Speaker 16: lie the dad no to all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Gavin, thank you very much, appreciate it. Look after yourself.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Gray, UK correspondent. Do you remember the scene in

2049
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Speaker 3: Love Actually where Hugh Grant looks up at the photograph

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Speaker 3: or the portrait of Margaret Thatcher and says, Saucy Minx,

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Speaker 3: not that far off the truth? Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tuopericy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by newstalk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 3: Hither I'm forty one. I hate taking phone calls. If

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Speaker 3: I don't know who it is, I always let it

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Speaker 3: go to the answer phone. First, always hated phone calls.

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Speaker 3: Maybe partially about business of my life, but I never

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Speaker 3: know who it will It'll be about can I get

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Speaker 3: my mind in that space? How long will it take?

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Speaker 3: I much prefer messages or email too. Can't really say

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Speaker 3: why I've always whether I've always felt this. Maybe there

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Speaker 3: are phone people and non phone people. Hither I'm forty five.

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Speaker 3: My partner is thirty four. She hates taking phone calls

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Speaker 3: because apparently it makes her anxious. It's the weirdest and

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Speaker 3: most annoying thing. Hither I know a receptionist who always

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Speaker 3: gets someone else to answer her company's phone. Which is

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Speaker 3: that's really a liability in that job? Isn't it even

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Speaker 3: asked her boss to do it one time? Thank you, Rachel,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Rachel As has done some research for us

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Speaker 3: and discovered an article from The Independent dating all the

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Speaker 3: way back to nineteen ninety three talking about this. This

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Speaker 3: is before the cell phone. This is just the telephone

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Speaker 3: in the house, and that called telefonophobics, and apparently they

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Speaker 3: will hype a ventilate or have a panic attack when

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Speaker 3: the phone rings or when they anticipate having to make

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Speaker 3: a call.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I had a look down and it says depending

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Speaker 21: on you get it in different degrees. So obviously all

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Speaker 21: of us are nervous on the phone sometimes, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 21: if you get it to that serius of One of

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Speaker 21: the things is if you don't have it to a

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Speaker 21: serious degree, you can kind of work your way into it,

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Speaker 21: Like start with just phone calls to automated services that

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Speaker 21: aren't going to judge you, then move on to family

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01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 21: and friends. This is from the Independent. This is what

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Speaker 21: they said Ben in ninety three, so I don't know

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Speaker 21: if this has all been disproven since then. And then

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Speaker 21: you work your way up to talking to strangers, so

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Speaker 21: that you go I suppose the problem is you and

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Speaker 21: me talk on the radio, Heather, which is much more

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Speaker 21: nerve wracking. So neither of us are going to have telephonophobia.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't have telephonophobia. No, I definitely don't. Hey,

2093
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Speaker 3: can I tell you something that's absolutely tickled me? Pink

2094
01:38:55,880 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 3: Dean's text just replayed the last alternative collective common collective

2095
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 3: cricket commentary. Have made three hundred and twenty seven complaints

2096
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 3: to the BSA now now for their last rugby commentary.

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Speaker 3: These people do not know what they've started.

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Speaker 21: Good luck to them and Counting Crows, big yellow taxi

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01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,679
Speaker 21: to play us out tonight. The Counting Crows are returning

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Speaker 21: to New Zealand. They were actually last year in twenty

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Speaker 21: twenty three, so they haven't been gone long. But in March,

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Speaker 21: specifically March the twenty ninth, much March the twenty third.

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Speaker 5: I should get that right.

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Speaker 21: That we're playing one show in Auckland at the Kiddy

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Speaker 21: Takanawa Theater.

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Speaker 3: Do you know I went in twenty three. It was

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Speaker 3: the start of It was literally the first gig that

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Speaker 3: concert club win to. You know, me and my perimenopausal friends,

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Speaker 3: our first gig. They were great.

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Speaker 5: Actually your first gig post pandemic or your first gig ever.

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Speaker 3: No, the first gig of the good part of the club.

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Speaker 5: As I thought the club was older than that. There

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Speaker 5: you go.

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Speaker 3: No, the club only started in twenty two three with

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Speaker 3: these guys, and these guys were cool. But what I

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Speaker 3: couldn't get over the whole way through was I was like,

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Speaker 3: something's wrong, something's wrong. And it wasn't for weeks afterwards

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Speaker 3: that I realized it said he's cut his draps off.

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Speaker 5: Oh what's the point I know on the back for

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Speaker 5: this show.

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Speaker 3: No, he's still got short hair. It doesn't work for

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Speaker 3: me anyway. Thank you, An, It's lovely to have you back,

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Speaker 3: by the way, see you tomorrow. Enjoy evening.

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Speaker 17: A fucking.

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