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Speaker 1: Update from China. Foreign Minister Winston Peters, of course, meeting

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Speaker 1: his counterpart overnight, had a word about the ships in

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Speaker 1: this part of the world. Our geopolitical analyst Jeffrey Miller's back. Well,

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Speaker 1: this's Jeffrey, very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: I read the communicator that did the usual diplomatic dance,

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Speaker 1: didn't they at the end of the day, Am I right?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw Seymour, yesterday's Deputy Prime minister.

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Speaker 1: He's been briefed on what we did. Militarily speaking, it's

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Speaker 1: the Australians whoppear to be sleep at the wheel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an awful lot going on, Mike. I think

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Speaker 2: when you look at mister Winston Peter's statements after this

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Speaker 2: meeting and reading between the lines, it looks like it

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Speaker 2: was a pretty tough conversation, a pretty robust exchange of

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Speaker 2: views with one ye and Winston Peters has said it

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Speaker 2: was a failure that the Chinese did not give more

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Speaker 2: notice to New Zealand. So it sounds like it was a,

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Speaker 2: as I say, a pretty tough encounter.

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Speaker 1: Which is all we can say. And if they want

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Speaker 1: to do it, they'll do it, because there's no international

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Speaker 1: laws being broken and they're in international waters. Is this,

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Speaker 1: in your view, a deterioration of relations or the new normal?

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Speaker 2: Ookreat It is a difficult situation to be in, and

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Speaker 2: it's one I don't think news adn't want it to be,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think necessarily China necessarily wanted the relationship

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Speaker 2: to be at this point right now. That said, I

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Speaker 2: think it is helpful to have these robust discussions. I

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Speaker 2: think we're all better off when there is more dialogue.

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Speaker 2: And certainly the statements that came out and the characterizations

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Speaker 2: from Chinese state media as well, emphasize the need for

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Speaker 2: further dialogue in the future. Remember this visit by Winston

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Speaker 2: Peters to Beijing was also a set up visit for

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Speaker 2: Christopher Luxin to into Beijing later this year, and I

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Speaker 2: think that would be very welcome. We need more diplomacy,

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Speaker 2: more de escalation, and more dialogue.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more nice to have you appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Jeffrey Miller, geopolitical analyst. For more from the Mic

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