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Speaker 1: Do you report this morning highlights potential savings of shifting

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Speaker 1: to more off peak electricity use. We could save three billion,

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent of peak demand could be moved, they claim,

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Speaker 1: using existing tech without changing how we level work currently.

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Speaker 1: The network's built for short bursts of course of high demand. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Plenty is the chief executive at the EECA and

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Speaker 1: is with us. Good morning, Good morning. This existing tech

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Speaker 1: you speak of to shift all this power, where is

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Speaker 1: it and what is it? Is?

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Speaker 2: Basically smart controllers. So there are things that you can

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Speaker 2: put on hot water cylinders. There's a bunch of kit

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Speaker 2: you can put for industry and businesses. It just helps

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Speaker 2: people shift when they use energy.

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Speaker 1: As one of the questions, I'm going to ask how

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Speaker 1: much of this is for domestic versus commercial? Is this

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Speaker 1: sort of stuff available to commercial therefore could shift more load?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is available and it's being used now at

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Speaker 2: the industrial scale. But this is all about scaling it

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Speaker 2: up for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Right, I see, because in reading your press release, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't clear to me what literally is available and where

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Speaker 1: you come up with the number of three billion dollars,

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Speaker 1: Because three billions a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of money, and it is it's real,

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Speaker 2: I think. To be more specific, we're thinking about four industrials.

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Speaker 2: It's things like food processing in the Bay of Plenty,

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Speaker 2: irrigation loads, farming in Canterbury, Waikato, forestry and Bay of

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Speaker 2: Manawatu also Bay of Plenty offices in homes. It's really

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Speaker 2: the hot water cylinders and the three billion comes from

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Speaker 2: the value of that shift didn't peak, So you've got

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Speaker 2: one point eight gigawatts of demand and that roughly translates

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Speaker 2: to using transpowers numbers three billion.

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Speaker 1: Why don't people do it?

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Speaker 2: Then?

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Speaker 1: If it's so easy and the technologies there, why don't

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Speaker 1: they do it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the physics is easy, the contracting is a little

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Speaker 2: bit more complicated, is what I read this morning, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's about right. So you've got to get

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Speaker 2: the right incentives to get people to make it easy

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Speaker 2: for them.

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Speaker 1: Away timarregating a field and all I have to do

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Speaker 1: is plug something in. Why aren't I doing that? Because

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Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does make perfect sense. The technology is new,

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Speaker 2: at least this type of dynamic control is new. So

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Speaker 2: this is cutting edge. Where we are with the Australians

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Speaker 2: and the Europeans and the Americans on testing it and

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Speaker 2: rolling it out, and so we're seeing we are basically

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Speaker 2: the answer is because.

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Speaker 1: It's new, right, do we need the in financial incentives?

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Speaker 1: Might it just be that eventually, once it's less new,

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Speaker 1: people go, this makes sense, I'll do it themselves. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: you know, sucked in you Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think you need. I think you need to be

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Speaker 2: able to see the money on the table to pick

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Speaker 2: it up. And this is what this report is hoping

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Speaker 2: to do is to really highlight that opportunity. And you

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Speaker 2: need to have the incentives right in terms of I

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Speaker 2: think if people are offering flexibility for their home, they

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Speaker 2: should be rewarded for it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Mike's appreciate it. MICUs Pilliner, who's with

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Speaker 1: the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority, I look them up

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Speaker 1: this morning because I've forgotten now they were. They've been

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Speaker 1: around since nineteen ninety two, which is almost as long

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