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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else News Talks Evy.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon, lovely to be back at You're coming up on

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Speaker 2: the show today. Building Minister Chris Penk on upending those

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Speaker 2: earthquake regulations, Chris Hipkins on the government's decision on Palestine,

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Speaker 2: and boy has Grace and Worker thrown a bomb into

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Speaker 2: the Dame Noles debate? Will tactic Gordon.

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Speaker 3: Kitchens Heather dupericy Ella, Well, what a day to.

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Speaker 2: Come back to work. It's a day on which we

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Speaker 2: finally are fixing one of the most expensive mistakes we've

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Speaker 2: made in the last decade, which is the earthquake strengthening rules.

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Speaker 2: Now the government's just announced this afternoon. This is massive,

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Speaker 2: by the way, massive announced. Those rules are gone. They

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Speaker 2: are being replaced. If your town is smaller than ten

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Speaker 2: thousand in population, the rules are gone. Auckland gone. Excluded

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Speaker 2: from the rules, Northland excluded from the rules, Chatham Islands

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Speaker 2: excluded from the rules. If your building is under three

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Speaker 2: it's concrete, there are rules but the rules will focus

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Speaker 2: on critical vulnerabilities that could lead to collapse in a nutshell.

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Speaker 2: Common sense is back. Risk based rules are back now.

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Speaker 2: I only wish this happened years ago, before countless Wellington

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Speaker 2: buildings were abandoned because of earthquake risks, before councils up

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Speaker 2: and down this country wasted tens of millions, if not

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Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of dollars trying to do up their buildings,

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Speaker 2: in an earthquake. Do you I mean, if you have

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Speaker 2: no understanding it, if you haven't rubbed up against these rules,

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Speaker 2: you might not really appreciate. But I'm going to just

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Speaker 2: explained to you how ridiculously safe they were, how ridiculously

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Speaker 2: about a decade ago before they actually came in in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, one economist forecast that across the

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Speaker 2: whole country, for the cost of about ten billion dollars

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Speaker 2: in upgrades, do you know how many lives we would

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Speaker 2: end up saving across the period of one hundred years? Right,

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Speaker 2: We're spending ten billion dollars. It's the entire country we're

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Speaker 2: going for one hundred years, how many lives do we save? Seven? Seven?

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Speaker 2: For everything we're going through in Auckland, which by the

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Speaker 2: many lives would we save in four thousand years?

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Speaker 4: One?

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Speaker 2: One life in four thousand years. That's what these rules

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Speaker 2: were doing. But for all of those lives right for

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Speaker 2: the or rather the opposite of that. For the few

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Speaker 2: lives that we saved, we have buried counsels and debt,

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Speaker 2: we have shut buildings, we have left apartment owners were

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Speaker 2: absolutely nowhere to go until now, not a day too soon.

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Speaker 3: Either, due for see Allen Be with You.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninet two text number standard texts fees apply obviously

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Speaker 2: now the Justice Minister has indicated the government might overrule

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Speaker 2: court judgments on Teikanger. Paul Goldsmith has given a speech

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Speaker 2: in which he told lawyers he's worried that New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Chris fin Layson is a lawyer and of course former

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Speaker 2: Minister for Treating Negotiations. Hi, Chris, how are you well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you now? What does it sound you like he's

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think in fairness he's trying to kill

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Speaker 5: knows that Tea Kung is relevant to Mari customary property rights.

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Speaker 5: But I think the problem has been that decision of

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court and Alice, which had absolutely no Mari

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Speaker 5: Teakunger MARII was relevant and deciding that Alice's appeal against

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Speaker 5: I think that's really where people have said things have

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they made the wrong call.

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Speaker 5: Then no, well, I not necessarily the wrong call. They

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Speaker 5: He wrote a report, surprise surprise, it was called the

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Speaker 5: Mackaiah Report on defamation, and one of the issues was

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Speaker 3: Not do that.

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Speaker 5: And so basically what you've got with Alice, in my view,

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Speaker 2: So how would you tidy that up? Af you, Paul Goldsmith?

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Speaker 2: Would you put limitations on where tea hunger can be used?

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Speaker 2: How do you deal with this?

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Speaker 5: Well, when the Supreme Court decided Elis, the Law Commission

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Speaker 5: had been doing a substantial piece of work on tea

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Speaker 5: it was a very good piece of work. I would

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Speaker 5: So no point just sort of having a group lamentation

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Speaker 2: Chris, then have to define what the problem is that

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Speaker 2: I've had people on the show and I've said to them, okay,

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Speaker 2: define Tea kung it to me in any number of circumstances.

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Speaker 2: How would it work? How would it apply? What is it?

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Speaker 2: And no one cares? It's a little bit. It's wooly,

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Speaker 7: Of course are inventive, and it was a case in.

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Speaker 5: The Employment court and people started to raise a whole

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Speaker 5: lot of stuff about Tea Kunger. Well, you know, the

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Speaker 5: Employment Contracts Act doesn't refer to Tea Kunger. It was

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Speaker 5: a recentably straightforward case. But the issue was being confused

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Speaker 2: Well in this case. The part of the problem here

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Speaker 2: Somebody else might have a completely different idea. Do we

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's what the Law Commission had been

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Speaker 2: Fascinating, Hey, thank you very much. Chris has always really

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time as Christin Layson lawyer and former Minister

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Speaker 2: for Treaty of White Pungy negotiations. Hey, really quickly. In Sport,

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Speaker 2: Graton Wekare has surprised everyone by giving a shout out

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Speaker 2: to Dame Knowles after the game last night. So it

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Speaker 2: was during the postmatch presentation and just as the presenter

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Speaker 8: Noles, if you're listening, we love you and we miss

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Speaker 8: you and we want you back here. You've done so

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Speaker 8: much for this through and the work you've done this

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Speaker 8: want you back nos, So thank you, thank you to everyone.

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Speaker 8: Put the pointing us regardless. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's the players versus Dave Knowles. So

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Speaker 2: if one of the players is now worth Dame Knowles,

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Speaker 2: what does that say? Jason Pine will explain next fourteen

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Speaker 2: Does this mean that the chateau and the a pair

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Speaker 2: who would pass? It's possible And it's actually a very

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Speaker 2: good question, and we're going to ask Chris pink that

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Speaker 2: when he's with us after five o'clock. Right now at

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Speaker 3: Four, Heather duper Cy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine Sports Talk Hoosters with us. Hello, Piney, Hi

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Speaker 2: on Heather, how you going?

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Speaker 9: I'm going?

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Speaker 2: God, feel like it's been such a long time. I

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Speaker 2: it been in the last week? Hey, listen, Phony, what's

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Speaker 2: going on at the Ryder Cup? I don't understand any

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, incredible scenes really going to the final day.

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Speaker 9: There are twelve matches, so twelve players from US against

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Speaker 9: or you can halve the match. Now, the overriding part

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Speaker 9: Europe won just one. The other five matches were halved. Eventually,

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Speaker 9: Europe did retain the Ryder Cup, but only by a

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's all got a little bit fair all over there,

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Speaker 9: hasn't it. I don't know why the Ryder Cup, you know,

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Speaker 9: a bit, as I say, a bit feral and sort

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Speaker 2: Play a different crowd from the you usual I don't know, PGA.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think, well it must do otherwise that I

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Speaker 9: though to the American fans anyway, as though this sort

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Speaker 9: players don't think it's okay. Even the American players were

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Speaker 9: whatever has happened, it just seems to have attracted that

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Speaker 2: All the headlines are about this, right, about this bad behavior,

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Speaker 2: rather than the actual win. Anyway, Listen, what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: What are you reading into the fact that Gracewakir has

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Speaker 2: gone out publicly and supported Dame Knowles.

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Speaker 9: Well, I'm glad somebody said something, because it's been just

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Speaker 9: a cone of silence, hasn't it from Netball New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: We've heard nothing from them still haven't today. We've tried

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Speaker 9: to tried to organize to have a chat to Jenny Wiley,

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Speaker 9: Neither is available to chat to us. I'm just glad

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Speaker 9: Grace said something interesting choice of words though here there

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Speaker 9: having Dame Nolen investigated. So yeah, look, I just hope

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Speaker 9: What do you think why would Netborne New Zealand weaponize that?

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Speaker 9: That's the thing, what possible.

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Speaker 2: Benefit we applied for her job last year?

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Speaker 9: Well again, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I mean, like you're right, not their finest two years

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Speaker 9: I was convinced on Saturday night that they were very

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Speaker 2: We win at the weekend because the reef basically made

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Speaker 9: Well, and I mean, you're sounding like an Australian fan

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I know you are, and look that there certainly

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Speaker 9: when you're whistled for fifteen penalties, which Australia were, I

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Speaker 9: think you have to look at yourselves and think, well,

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Speaker 9: him blow up fifteen penalties against us? The yellow card

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Speaker 9: from my point of view anyway. So look when you're

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Speaker 9: winging about the ref, Heather, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Gee, it's good to have you back.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's nice to have you back. Thank you finely.

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Speaker 2: I'm appreciate it. You know, he doesn't mean that a

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine Sports Talk coast is like, gee, it's good

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Speaker 2: to have you back, like a winging wife, like one

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Speaker 2: of those Heather, does this EQC this business with the

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Speaker 2: earthquake strength thing mean that anything for us in terms

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Speaker 2: that would be good, thanks Ash. Look one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: The earthquakes have driven up the prices, but I don't

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Speaker 2: That's never how life works.

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Speaker 10: Is it.

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Speaker 2: But it's a good question for twenty three good sport.

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Speaker 1: With tab multis fast, easy and more code sorry eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Bit Responsibly.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplicl and

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 3: Youth talks, they'd be heither.

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Speaker 2: Wellington City Council decided to earthquake proof the town hall.

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Speaker 2: That initial cost of forty three million dollars and it

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Speaker 2: that I beat you, Wellington City Council sitting there looking

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Speaker 2: eight years ago, nine years ago when they first came in,

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Speaker 2: so that none of this nonsense would have happened. Listen

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Speaker 2: over in Australia. I don't know if you've been following

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Speaker 2: this in the last week, the business with the Optus

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Speaker 2: calls failed to get through because their zero zero zero

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Speaker 2: I think anyone with money and tied up an optist

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Speaker 2: It's bad bunny, if you're like the hell is bad Bunny,

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Speaker 2: with Shakira and Jalo during the twenty twenty game. We're

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Speaker 2: finally settled. One of this is his greatest mysteries.

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Speaker 3: He used to be done by God.

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Speaker 1: The day's newspeakers talked to Heather first. Heather duplessy Ellen

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

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Speaker 1: mobile New Stork said, be.

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Speaker 2: No, it's good listener standing by out of Australia. Shortly

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Speaker 2: Barry soapalled by us in ten minutes. Here the what

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Speaker 2: percentage of audience A millennials. Geez. Bad Bunny is appropriately

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Speaker 2: named after his musical of the listening Giessa Revover We're

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Speaker 2: old people together who don't who don't listen to kids'

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Speaker 2: Bad Bunny might not sound that great, but he's very handsome.

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Speaker 2: So if you just put the TV on mute, put

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Speaker 2: is a really weird thing. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: this later in the program, really weird thing going on

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Speaker 2: want to see somebody's stinky, gross water bottle. There so

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Speaker 2: It feels so weird as to be slightly unbelievable. We're

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Russia has bombarded a Kiev overnight for more than twelve

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Speaker 2: hours with over six hundred drones. Zelenski made note of

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Speaker 2: the timing of the attacks.

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Speaker 11: This vile attack came virtually at the close of UN

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Speaker 11: General Assembly week, he wrote, and this is exactly how

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Speaker 11: Russia declares its true position. Moscow wants to keep fighting

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Speaker 2: The suspect in the Michigan Mormon church shooting has been caught.

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Speaker 12: The sispect, again, we're in eploymentary stages right now, was

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Speaker 2: At least four people died in the church was set

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Speaker 13: Donald Trump responded, the suspect is dad, but there is

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Speaker 9: And he's not dead, brick.

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Speaker 3: You're not dead.

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Speaker 2: Wreck. Yeah, well, this kind of happened in real life.

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Speaker 2: In Argentina, a man turned up at his own funeral.

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Speaker 1: Vender International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Ollie Peterson six pm PERF Live Presenters with Us. Hello, Wally, Hey, Heather,

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Speaker 2: talk about the ref go on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So so yeah, you don't really want to talk about

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Speaker 3: No, not really, no, not really.

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Speaker 2: You know we were robbed since we've had the Blitter's

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Speaker 2: Low Cup.

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Speaker 14: By the way, what Australia New Zealand, I think you've

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Speaker 14: I don't think we've had it about twenty years now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've been alive for it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Look you'll get it too, and don't worry about it now. Jeez.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. However bad your day is, it's

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 14: Stephen Rue would be ruining the decision pardon the partner

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Speaker 14: Nine affected phone calls, with that one person deciding when

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Speaker 14: it makes you wonder there are severe problems aren't there

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Speaker 14: now with the entire network if this has happened again

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Speaker 14: within a week. Stephen ru Tomorrow Tuesday will be meeting

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Speaker 14: the Federal Communications Minister Annika Wells, who's returning from her

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Speaker 14: delegation being part of the United Nations gathering there in

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Speaker 14: New York. And you could just imagine how hostile those

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Speaker 14: conversations are going to be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they must be losing customers at a rate

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Speaker 2: and not.

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Speaker 14: Say absolutely they would be, but they were when the

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Speaker 14: data hack, which is not that long ago, it's just

446
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Speaker 14: over a year ago. So look, the thing about Australia

447
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Speaker 14: is fe you live outside of the metropolitan area of

448
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Speaker 14: one of our capital cities, chances are you're not a

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Speaker 14: customer of Optics or voteraphone anyway, you're with Telstra because

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Speaker 14: you've got that national network. But this is going to

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Speaker 14: cause significant damage to the customer relationship between the telco

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Speaker 14: and Australians. And look there's calls over in this country

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Speaker 14: as well that the license should be taken off Optus,

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Speaker 14: which is obviously on now by Singtel, the Singaporean back company,

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Speaker 14: and redistributed to somebody else. So I don't know that

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Speaker 14: the government will go that far, but I'll tell you

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Speaker 14: what some of the language from Prime Minister Albanizi and

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Speaker 14: Anika Wells and Communications Minister, they are not impressed.

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Speaker 2: Now I can imagine, now, run me through what Clive

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Speaker 2: Palmer's done.

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Speaker 14: Oh, he just loves, particularly going to war with where

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Speaker 14: I live in Western Australia, the WA government. So he

463
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Speaker 14: was effectively trying to quote bankrupt the state with a

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Speaker 14: claim that he made and legislation was rushed in during

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Speaker 14: the COVID years in regards to some of the iron

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Speaker 14: ore royalties and the royalties that he had to pay

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Speaker 14: to Western Australia. The WA government claimed that this was

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Speaker 14: going to again bankrupt the state of the tune of

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Speaker 14: thirty billion dollars. He didn't like it, so he took

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Speaker 14: it on in all the courts in Australia. It's been

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Speaker 14: thrown out, but he's not happy with that. He's going

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Speaker 14: all the way to a court in Switzerland to try

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Speaker 14: and take on effectively the Australian government. His argument is

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Speaker 14: that because of what happened through the COVID years, it

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Speaker 14: affected his trade. But because he's an Australian citizen, he's

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Speaker 14: not entitled to even basically take this on in the court.

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Speaker 14: So look, he just enjoys the theater. Let's be blunt head.

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Speaker 14: He enjoys the show. He never liked the fact that

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Speaker 14: he wasn't allowing to way, particularly during those COVID years,

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Speaker 14: to run his businesses. So this is all, I believe,

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Speaker 14: a bit of a charade. But yeah, he's still trying

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Speaker 14: to get thirty billion dollars out of Western Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yere nice try Hey, do you believe that solar panels

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Speaker 2: can add twenty three thousand dollars to the value of

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Speaker 2: your house?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 14: See, this is what I find fascinating. Now do you

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Speaker 14: have much sun in New Zealand? But he is not?

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Speaker 2: Really that's wrong with you.

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Speaker 14: You might have the blenderslow cups, but do you get

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Speaker 14: any sunshine?

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Speaker 9: I don't know what i'd rather.

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Speaker 14: I thought this was really interesting because we just had

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Speaker 14: all of this. You know, it comes out all the time, right,

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Speaker 14: but the annual what's everybody looking up?

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Speaker 2: What was everybody.

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Speaker 14: Searching for when they're trying to buy a home and

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Speaker 14: it's down to granny flats and pulls?

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Speaker 2: Now again, do you have pools and music? You're a pain?

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Speaker 14: Sorry, yeah, that I can't help myself today. But I

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Speaker 14: find this interesting, and I it's not something that we

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Speaker 14: really consider that you would look at that. But when

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Speaker 14: you have a federal government policy at the moment, which

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Speaker 14: is all about giving your rebates for putting sol and

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Speaker 14: batteries in your home, you can probably understand where this

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Speaker 14: sort of research comes out. But twenty three thousand dollars

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Speaker 14: extra to your home having a few panels on the roof.

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Speaker 14: I went to Google Earth to just have a look

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Speaker 14: in my street. Now I don't have panels, but I

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Speaker 14: think I'm in the minority. Like there's about twelve houses

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Speaker 14: in my street and there's only two or three of

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Speaker 14: us that don't have panels. So look, I might be

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Speaker 14: missing out on something. But it's going to cost you

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Speaker 14: more than twenty three thousand dollars to install these things,

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Speaker 14: so I don't know if it adds twenty three thousand dollars.

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Speaker 14: I just think it's the clean energy mob just trying

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Speaker 14: to get us to all sign up. And by the way,

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Speaker 14: and as for all governments around the world, it's your

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Speaker 14: job to be able to provide the infrastructure to keep

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Speaker 14: the lights on, not down to homeowners like turn it up.

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Speaker 14: They're just you know, shrugging their shoulders and saying it's

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Speaker 14: back on us to do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love you, Ollie, Thanks very much. Oliver Peters

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Speaker 2: and six pur Perth Live presenter ever dol Please do

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Speaker 2: you know what Actually, I've got a yarn for you. Jeez,

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Speaker 2: I've got a yarn for you. But I spent the

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Speaker 2: last week in the pool actually, so yeah, we do

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Speaker 2: have pills and sunshine as it turns out, and that's

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Speaker 2: not bad for September, is it. Anyway? We'll get to that. Here.

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Speaker 2: The staff drink bottles at the checkout our gross. This

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Speaker 2: text surprises me. They obviously put it in the mouth

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Speaker 2: when they're drinking, but then they close it with their fingers,

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Speaker 2: and then they touch your groceries with their fingers. It's

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Speaker 2: a bit subprime in this day and age. Do we

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Speaker 2: actually who actually agree with that? Because I don't know

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Speaker 2: what kind of drink bottle you're using, Tony, but the

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Speaker 2: drink bottle I've got, it's got a lid that you

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Speaker 2: pull off, and that lid bit which is in my fingers,

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Speaker 2: does not go in my mouth because, like you, you don't

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Speaker 2: want you don't want my fingers might spit fingers on

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Speaker 2: your gross, but I don't want I don't want those.

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Speaker 2: I don't want them in my either, because I don't

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Speaker 2: know that touching your groceries, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get it anyway. Never mind, nevermind.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously a bit of a thing. So we're going

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Speaker 2: to have a chat later on with the union six

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Speaker 2: barrisopers with us. Next sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five politics was centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, have I got a yarn about a green

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Speaker 2: bin for you in a tach thirty. We'll do it

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Speaker 2: before this hour is out. Thirteen away from five. Barrisoper,

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Speaker 2: Senior Political Correspondence with US. Hello Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: So what did you think of Winston Peter's speech?

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Speaker 15: Oh, well, look, I've read the full speech and to me,

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Speaker 15: it was a very well argued and well positioned speech.

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Speaker 15: And you know, New Zealand has always said it's had

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Speaker 15: its own foreign policy independent of any other country in

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Speaker 15: the world, and I think just this just goes to

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Speaker 15: show that we do. It's in line with countries like

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Speaker 15: Singapore and Japan who are taking a very similar position

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Speaker 15: to New Zealand. But what Winston Peter's argued was that

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Speaker 15: Palestine doesn't meet the criteria of the state as it

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Speaker 15: doesn't have control over its own population. I mean, Hamas

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Speaker 15: is still in charge in Palestine theoretically. Anyway, little do

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Speaker 15: we know about them because no journalists are allowed by

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Speaker 15: Israel into the country to find out.

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Speaker 9: But you know, I think.

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Speaker 15: We took a very responsible, a hard position. People have

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Speaker 15: very strong views on both sides those who say, though

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Speaker 15: we're supporting the actions of Israel are plainly wrong and stupid,

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Speaker 15: because that is not the position that New Zealand's taking.

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Speaker 15: Getting back at six o'clock this morning from the Big

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Speaker 15: Apple has clearly taken Winston Peters out of play today,

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Speaker 15: with Chris Luxon being left to explain the decision here, he.

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Speaker 16: Is Hamas is a brutal, brutal terrorist organization. We continue

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Speaker 16: to call out Israel for its grossly disproportionate response. You

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Speaker 16: cannot recognize a state where a terrorist organization is the

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Speaker 16: de facto government of Gaza, which is a large proportion

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Speaker 16: of Palestinian, a state that would ultimately emerge. Hamas orchestrated

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Speaker 16: a massacre unforeseen in the history of Israel. One two

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Speaker 16: hundred innocent people at a music festival were massacre. Two

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Speaker 16: hundred and fifty one people were taken as hostages. Forty

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Speaker 16: eight still remain.

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Speaker 15: And we know the casualties on the other side are many,

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Speaker 15: many more than what was what occurred on October the

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Speaker 15: seventh in Israel. But Harmus may eventually obviously will be

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Speaker 15: taken out of play and then will presumably recognize Palestine

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Speaker 15: as a state. But you can imagine what that state

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Speaker 15: will comprise. I mean, many people living in it will

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Speaker 15: have seen parents, brothers and sisters, loved ones killed by

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Speaker 15: the Israelis. And I don't think that you may stamp

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Speaker 15: out one terrorist organization, but it'll spawn, in my view,

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Speaker 15: clearly another one.

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Speaker 2: Yeap, quite right, Okay, good decision by Chris Pink today.

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Speaker 15: Well it's fantastic, isn't it. I mean, you know, living

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Speaker 15: most of my life in Wellington and this legislation was passed.

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Speaker 15: You see Reading Cinemas a whole block virtually on Courtney

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Speaker 15: Place having been closed down for earthquake strengthening doing it

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Speaker 15: at the moment basically what Yeah, that's right. When I

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Speaker 15: went to the movies there, I always felt totally safe.

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Speaker 15: And when we had the Kaikoura quake that really rattled Wellington.

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Speaker 15: I know the apartment that we had on the fifteenth

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Speaker 15: floor of a building that was earthquake proof. It was

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Speaker 15: shaken from side to side, furniture thrown all over the place,

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Speaker 15: you couldn't get into a door. Well that's what it's

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Speaker 15: meant to happen when it is earthquake proof. But Reading

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Speaker 15: Cinema they stood throughout it, hardly a crack. And you

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Speaker 15: look at other places there, the Central Library that's been

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Speaker 15: closed because the building needs strengthened, that big Flash hotel,

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Speaker 15: I can't remember the name of it.

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Speaker 2: The amoral was Flash not Flash anymore?

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Speaker 15: Well, no it's not, because it's been left derelict. So

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Speaker 15: clearly the risk analysis of these bills bildings will be

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Speaker 15: now taken into account more fully. And the great thing

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Speaker 15: is that Auckland, which of course will never have an earthquake,

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Speaker 15: and I love the figures that you read out earlier

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Speaker 15: what it would save Auckland and the Chantham Islands. Well,

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Speaker 15: the Channam's hardly got any building. I've been there over

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Speaker 15: two stories anyway. So the and Northam taken out of play,

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Speaker 15: which is good, but look essentially the building industry Chris

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Speaker 15: pink He emphasized the savings to areas unlikely ever.

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Speaker 17: To be hit by an earthquake, and Danny Vick, for example,

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Speaker 17: with a population of just five thousand, six hundred, the

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Speaker 17: savings are estimated at around sixty eight million dollars. Mowrensville,

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Speaker 17: which falls under the population cap as.

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Speaker 3: Well, stands to save about fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 17: Taken together, these changes will remove around fifty five percent

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Speaker 17: of current earthquake prime buildings, or around two nine hundred

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Speaker 17: buildings from the system. A further one thousand, four hundred

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Speaker 17: and forty buildings will face more cost effective remediation requirements,

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Speaker 17: and eight hundred and forty will require no remedial work

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Speaker 17: at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I think this is an example, Heather, isn't it really

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Speaker 15: when you saw the damage that occurred in christ Church

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Speaker 15: and nobody ever really felt that christ Church was at

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Speaker 15: risk of a major earthquake the one that we saw,

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Speaker 15: and it was as a result of that we tightened

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Speaker 15: up the rules unlike It's a bit not unlike Cave Creek,

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Speaker 15: for example, we had health and safety regulations coming after that,

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Speaker 15: and they are now patently absurd as well for other

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Speaker 15: areas in the country. So we tend to overreact when

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Speaker 15: we see issues later, right, dare I say the guns

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Speaker 15: being taken off legitimate hunters after the dreadful Mosk attacks?

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Speaker 9: We react rather.

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Speaker 15: Than thinking about what exactly will it mean these terrible

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Speaker 15: events that we do encounter from time to time.

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Speaker 2: Ry, thanks very much appreciated, Bary Sopa, Senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 2: eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 9: Christ of the luxtionders with us.

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Speaker 16: Will you be anticipating some more angsty questions over Palestine?

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Speaker 18: Are highly likely, very happy to address the Palestine question

655
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Speaker 18: because I actually think we got to the right decision,

656
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Speaker 18: which is confirming our previous position saying we're not if

657
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Speaker 18: but I think we got to a good place and

658
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Speaker 18: I think we articulated out of you very well.

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Speaker 16: Does it sit comfortably with you in the National Party

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Speaker 16: as opposed to the government.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 18: You've got to remember I'm the Prime Minister who made

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Speaker 18: the designation about Hamas as a terrorist organization, and I

665
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Speaker 18: believe very very strongly that you can't recognize the state

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Speaker 18: when terrorists play a significant role in the government.

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Speaker 1: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: Rain Drover News.

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Speaker 3: Talk ZB Heather.

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Speaker 2: Is the government going to compensate those who already did

671
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Speaker 2: work as an earthquake related work or sold at a

672
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Speaker 2: loss like me? No, Jason, probably not. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Chris Pink about that when he's with us after five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Listen the Green Bin. You got to hear this, Okay,

675
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Speaker 2: So what happened over the This is the first thing

676
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Speaker 2: the German told me when she saw me. She's like,

677
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Speaker 2: you've got to hear about my green bin. What happened

678
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Speaker 2: when I was away for the week is that on

679
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Speaker 2: Friday she put her green But you know what I'm

680
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Speaker 2: talking about. It those little like stupid little food scrapspins

681
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Speaker 2: that cost us a fortune to send a reperoa if

682
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Speaker 2: you live in Auckland. So she put the bin out

683
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Speaker 2: on Friday, and she has a citrus tree, so she

684
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Speaker 2: piled all the citrust rotting citrus into it. Bin didn't

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Speaker 2: get collected. Why not too heavy? Apparently they're stuck the

686
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Speaker 2: sticker on and name the roade other too heavy? Who

687
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Speaker 2: knew that the bin could be too heavy? So I

688
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Speaker 2: didn't know this rule?

689
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Speaker 3: Did you know this rule?

690
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Speaker 2: No, you can have a been that's too heavy. So anyway,

691
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Speaker 2: she called the council because she thought, well, now we've

692
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Speaker 2: got to know what the situation is. There is a

693
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Speaker 2: limit on how heavy your green bin is allowed to be.

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Speaker 2: They will not pick up anything over fourteen cag's because

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Speaker 2: if you've watched them collect it, the truck drives up

696
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Speaker 2: and then the dude jumps off the back, he picks

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Speaker 2: it up, he tips it in fourteen kg's. If you've

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Speaker 2: got children, there's nothing you know that fourteen k twenty

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Speaker 2: kg's you'll at three and a half years old, twenty

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Speaker 2: kg's they're still asking you to carry them up the hill,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? So, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what kind of a oh I was gonna say a

703
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Speaker 2: bad word there, sissy. This guy is that he can't

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Speaker 2: pick up fourteen CAGs. But it's a health of safety problem,

705
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Speaker 2: so anyway, it is a problem. Just FYI, you've got

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Speaker 2: to keep your bin. If you've if you've been feels

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Speaker 2: a bit heavy, please take it inside and weigh it.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen and a half is okay, but not fourteen okay

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Speaker 2: because the guy who jumps off the truck, we've just

710
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Speaker 2: got to look after his back for picking up the

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Speaker 2: heavy bins. So just another reason, just the reason to

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Speaker 2: hate the green bins. Chris Haipkins is going to be

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Speaker 2: us shortly as well to talk of the Palestine news talks.

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Speaker 19: That beat told judiph of that, so can.

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Speaker 2: You come pick your coz afternoon. The government has announced

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Speaker 2: a major overhaul of our earthquake building rules. From now

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Speaker 2: only concrete buildings three stories are higher al those constructed

718
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Speaker 2: with unreinforced mason re brick walls and the like will

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Speaker 2: be included in that system. Auckland, Northland and the Chatham

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Speaker 2: Islands will be completely exempt. Chris Pink is the Building

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Speaker 2: Minister and with us now high Chris, Hello, Heather, Is

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Speaker 2: this an admission that we went overboard with the previous rules?

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Speaker 17: Well, it's a refocusing a few years later, having seen

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Speaker 17: good rules well while intention rules come into effect, and

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Speaker 17: just thinking about the way that's payed out practically, we

726
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Speaker 17: think that we can refine the system a bit so

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Speaker 17: that we can have, you know, still a focus on

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Speaker 17: life safety, but actually be a bit sensible and balanced

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Speaker 17: about what that means for people who own this.

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Speaker 2: Are we accepting more risk?

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Speaker 17: I think it's a balanced approach to risk. I think

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Speaker 17: actually we're not taking on any more risk given that

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Speaker 17: we are focusing on the most dangerous buildings. But also

734
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Speaker 17: maybe an unintended consequence of having a gold standard that's

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Speaker 17: proven very difficult to meet. Actually, we're more likely that

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Speaker 17: the strengthening and remediation work takes place now because it's

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Speaker 17: a bit more targeted.

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Speaker 2: Will this save the chateau.

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Speaker 17: I don't want to get into individual buildings, particularly when

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Speaker 17: there's other factors. Well, I mean, each one will be assessed,

741
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Speaker 17: you know, according to the relevant criteria, and I'm not

742
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Speaker 17: familiar enough with them to get into that, but I

743
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Speaker 17: just know there around New Zealand, in small town New

744
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Speaker 17: Zealand as well as some of our biggest cities, there

745
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Speaker 17: will be a lot of winds where places are off

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Speaker 17: the howk and people can go ahead and invest in

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Speaker 17: them and have that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the chateau is five stories, right, and it

749
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Speaker 2: looks to me to be made of stone, so it

750
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Speaker 2: would still it would still have to be assessed, right,

751
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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be exempt from these rules.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it sounds to me as that it wouldn't be

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Speaker 17: out automatically, but you know, it might also be that,

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Speaker 17: you know, and just to make it general, there are

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Speaker 17: a few buildings or a large number of buildings actually

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Speaker 17: that will remain caught by the system to some extent,

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Speaker 17: but will only need a targeted retrofit or maybe just

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Speaker 17: the securing of a facade rather than the full strengthening

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Speaker 17: that the system currently reed.

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Speaker 2: What about the city to see Bridge and Wellington?

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Speaker 17: Again, not wanting to get too specific, but that's you know,

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Speaker 17: already received to stay execution on the basis that we

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Speaker 17: were about to have the announcement. So it seems to

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Speaker 17: me that sanity might prevail in terms of that and

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Speaker 17: other landmark kind of buildings around the place, some of

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Speaker 17: which are owned by councils and some of which are

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Speaker 17: privately owned. And then you've got central government as well,

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Speaker 17: so potentially a lot of winners of different entities not

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Speaker 17: having to spend money that currently the law is forced.

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Speaker 2: Wellington obviously has a whole bunch of buildings which are

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Speaker 2: basically like, if not abandoned, at least closed because of

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Speaker 2: these rules, like Reading Cinema, the Oldamra Hotel and stuff.

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Speaker 2: I is it possible that these buildings may actually be

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Speaker 2: able to be opened.

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Speaker 17: It will be a game changer for some in that respect,

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Speaker 17: or it might be that they can't be opened yet,

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Speaker 17: but with a relatively small application of new funds would

778
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Speaker 17: be able to get up to the standards. So you know,

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Speaker 17: there are different levels of assistance that are going to

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Speaker 17: be provided by this and will be case by case,

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Speaker 17: but overall the effect will be a big wind fild

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Speaker 17: cities like Wellington, but further afield to.

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Speaker 2: Will it have an impact on insurance premiums.

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Speaker 17: I think insurance is probably slightly different. I suspect it

785
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Speaker 17: will have a downward pressure effect in terms of insurance premiums.

786
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Speaker 17: But insurance will typically guard against buildings being damaged or

787
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Speaker 17: compensate in the event that there is damage. So our

788
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Speaker 17: aim as a government is actually to focus on life

789
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Speaker 17: safety risks, so a slightly different metric. But where insurance

790
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Speaker 17: currently say, if you've got an earthquake prone building, according

791
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Speaker 17: to the government, we're going to hike your premiums. Those

792
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Speaker 17: people will find some relief, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Chris, thank you very much, as always, Chris pink

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Speaker 2: building the Minister. Eleven past five.

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Speaker 3: Here the Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 2: The government is still coming under pressure for the decision

797
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Speaker 2: at the weekend not to recognize a Palestinian state. The

798
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Speaker 2: Israeli ambassador said the decision sends a very clear message

799
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Speaker 2: to hum Us. Former Prime Minister Helen Clark says we're

800
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: on the wrong side of history. Chris Hopkins is the

801
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: leader of the Labor Party. Hijer b hi there would

802
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: you have done it?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, It's time for New Zealand to take a principled

805
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Speaker 4: stance and recognize Palestine of our friends in Australia, Canada,

806
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Speaker 4: the United Kingdom and elsewhere the world have been doing.

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Speaker 4: Why Ultimately New Zealand cannot stand by and cannot turn

808
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 4: our backs on unfolding in Palestine. It is an unfolding genocide.

809
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 4: People are being starved to death. What Israel is doing

810
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Speaker 4: is totally unacceptable. And not recognizing Palestine simply sending a

811
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Speaker 4: message to Israel that we are okay with what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: We shouldn't be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but recognizing a Palestinian state and you know this

814
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Speaker 2: is not going to stop what Israel's doing, is it?

815
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Speaker 4: Well, it's being part of an international community that's taking

816
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Speaker 4: a principled stance of saying it's time to bring the

817
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Speaker 4: two pollution into reality.

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Speaker 2: What's the point in a principled stance when there are

819
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: things you could actually do to stop, to stop the

820
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: war and stop the famine, right, putting food in those kids' mouths,

821
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: punishing Israel with sanctions that would actually make a difference.

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Speaker 2: This is just a symbolic gesture. It makes no difference.

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Speaker 4: We need to do all of those other things as well.

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Speaker 4: The government haven't agreed to sanctions against Israel as our well,

825
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Speaker 4: to the extent that some of our friends around the

826
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Speaker 4: world have been doing, we need to do that as well.

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Speaker 4: We've got to send a very clear message to Israel

828
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Speaker 4: that this is not acceptable. I absolutely defended Israel's right

829
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Speaker 4: to defend itself following those horrific attacks in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: three undertaken by Hummas, and I continue to defend their

831
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Speaker 4: right to defend themselves. But this is going way too far.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you do it when you had the chance?

833
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Speaker 4: We were going to? Ultimately we didn't before the election.

834
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Speaker 4: We had made it clear that we would do so

835
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Speaker 4: after the electric.

836
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Speaker 2: But why didn't you do it before the election? Look,

837
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Speaker 2: because that was the weirdest thing. It was weird then

838
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Speaker 2: and it's weird now. You stood there and you had

839
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Speaker 2: a majority. You guys could have done it just like that.

840
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Speaker 2: But you stood there and said, only if you vote us,

841
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Speaker 2: and will we recognize the state of Palestine. Why.

842
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Speaker 4: It's something that I had been looking at since I

843
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Speaker 4: took over from to Cinda as Prime Minister. Ultimately made

844
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Speaker 4: the decision not to do that following the Hummas attacks. Well,

845
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Speaker 4: following the Humus attacks, I didn't think that that was

846
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Speaker 4: the right message to send at that time. Why well,

847
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Speaker 4: because ultimately I don't. I absolutely condemned the at text

848
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Speaker 4: on Israel, and.

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Speaker 2: It would have been seen to be rewarding her us then.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, and I don't think it would be now.

851
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Speaker 2: It would be now they say so, Well, at the.

852
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Speaker 4: Moment, we're rewarding Israel for doing something which is undoubtedly

853
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Speaker 4: in violation of the international law. I don't think that's

854
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Speaker 4: the kind of company that we should be aiming to keep.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chippy, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Chris Hepkins,

856
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Speaker 2: Labor Party leader.

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Speaker 3: Together do for ce Ellen Heather.

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Speaker 2: How did they know that the green bin was too heavy?

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Speaker 2: Clearly they picked it up. That's right, they picked it

860
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Speaker 2: up and then put it back down. Either what sort

861
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Speaker 2: of all there's the word I can't say that starts

862
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Speaker 2: with a piece, and we'll go with sissy, which is close.

863
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Speaker 2: Was sort of a sissy? Would bother putting a sticker

864
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Speaker 2: to Saint's too heavy at fourteen CAGs rather than just

865
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Speaker 2: put it?

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Speaker 3: I know?

867
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Speaker 2: So, think about what happened. They went to the jumped

868
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Speaker 2: out of the truck, ran over with that guns souns out,

869
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Speaker 2: guns out, ran over. Little you know, they like to

870
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Speaker 2: show the guns off of the rubbish. Guys picked up

871
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: the ben went, oh, no, that's heavy, how heavy do

872
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: you reckon it? Was not sure? Oh whatever, she says,

873
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: fifteen cages. Sheouldn't know anyway, so she doesn't have scales

874
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: at her house when now she's gonna have to get

875
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: some otherwise this's gonna happen again. So he runs over,

876
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: picks it or not too heavy, puts it down, tells

877
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: his mate in the truck map hang on, walks over

878
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: to the truck, gets a sticker, gets a pen, comes back,

879
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: puts the sticker on, writes on it. All of this

880
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 2: time he could have just been a man about it,

881
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 2: picked up the fifteen cagey bin, dumped it and gone

882
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: that's a bit heavy, mate, don't do that again, and

883
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: then gone on with it. No, instead, we have to

884
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: go through all the melodrama, all the melodrama of administration anyway,

885
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: So we're just building a case against the green bin,

886
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: just building a further cases if we needed to quarter past.

887
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 10: Hey.

888
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Now, I'm very sorry to have to say that I

889
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: have about one month left of driving the BYD shark

890
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: Ute before I have to give it back to the

891
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: BYD boys. And I am sad about this because I'm

892
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: gonna miss it, and I'm gonna miss basically everything in it.

893
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: The storage space in the tray ap the bat is

894
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: great for the PRAM, great for all the stuff you

895
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: have to cut around as a parent. The luxurious interior

896
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: which means your knees antificates against the dashboard when you've

897
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: got a car seat in the back, for parking cameras

898
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: to help you get in and out of the city spaces.

899
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: It's brilliant. If you want one, I've got great news

900
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: for you, especially if you have a Farmland's Card. You

901
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: can use the Farmlands Card in all BYD dealerships around

902
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: the country. From the first of October there are exclusive

903
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: offers for Farmland's Card units users on all BYD vehicles

904
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: and servicing and for October only. If you use the

905
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: card to buy yourself a BYD, which you're going to

906
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: want to do, you will get yourself a five hundred

907
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: dollars charge net credit. Now, I know I've been raving

908
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: about driving the shark use around the city, which doesn't

909
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: count for much on the farm, but it is also

910
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: a perfect all rounder which means you can use it

911
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: on the farm as well. Farming has evolved and so

912
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: has the ute. Check it out for yourself at byd

913
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: Auto dot co dot mz.

914
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: Ever dups Allen Lord.

915
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: The bins jeezl. Yeah no, don't worry. I see you

916
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: coming at me on the bins. I'm gonna come back

917
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: at you on that nineteen past five.

918
00:42:59,239 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 3: Now.

919
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: The surprise of the Silver Ferns match last night was

920
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: Grace's post match shout out to Dame Nolin Totua to

921
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 2: return as the coach of the team.

922
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 8: Knowles, if you're listening, we love you and we miss

923
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 8: you and we want you back here. You've done so

924
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 8: much with this through and the work you've done this

925
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 8: whole year, but you deserve to be here and we

926
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 8: want you back Nols. So thank you. Thank you to

927
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 8: everyone for supporting us regardless.

928
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 14: Thank you so.

929
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Gordon Titchen's former All Black Sevens coaches with us, Titch, Hello, yeah, hi,

930
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: how are you going well? Thank you? Were you surprised

931
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: by that?

932
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: Mayor?

933
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 7: I thought it was a great speech, to be fair.

934
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 7: I thought for her that she's the best goal shore

935
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 7: in the world and netble at the moment, and for

936
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 7: someone so young, and it was quite an emotional speech

937
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 7: and I thought it was well said and I certainly

938
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Speaker 7: support everything she said last night's speech.

939
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: What do you think is going on here? Is there

940
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: a division between players or is there a division between

941
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: players and netble New Zealand.

942
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think now that the coaches of the boss now,

943
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 7: it's unfortunate. I've got answer to the players Association and

944
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 7: CEOs and high performance managers.

945
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Speaker 3: Heather.

946
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 7: It's a it's a real battle. And I mean Nolan's

947
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 7: the best netball coach in the world, without doubt. And

948
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 7: you know she's got she's she's really has an approach

949
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 7: and she's very very professional, very innovative, looks for new ways,

950
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 7: new systems. But you know, she she's hot and she's

951
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 7: she's a hard task for us. So it's no different

952
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 7: to when I was coaching, and you have to be

953
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 7: the boss. And I think it's sad how with these

954
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 7: Illa Netball particularly, I think if I look into it

955
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 7: a little bit further, how can your CEO be away

956
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 7: that's running the z Illa netball the overseas and not

957
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 7: come back to address the issues that we had. I

958
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 7: thought that was just unbelievable to the affair.

959
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: I think we all did. Can Dame Nole's come back though,

960
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: as much as the players might want to to, just

961
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: this feels so septic towards her.

962
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I sat there last night and I thought of

963
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 7: I was in the same situation and obviously coaching some

964
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 7: DJ Forbes and the europe Russias and they were on TV.

965
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 7: And I've been stood down in the same sort of

966
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Speaker 7: position as Noline, you know. And I had a you know,

967
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 7: someone like Grace come across and mentioned watching years last night,

968
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 7: I think I'd really think about coming back. I mean,

969
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 7: it'd be tough, but I from what I believe, she's

970
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 7: got support of many, many players and they want her

971
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 7: back and we need her, and we're coming up to her,

972
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 7: not only a Constellation series, coming up against Australia and

973
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 7: they'll be tough and because you ain't got to come

974
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 7: with games, so we do need her. She's the best

975
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 7: Nipple catch.

976
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: In his own Do you think she should come back

977
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: and say, Okay, I'll come back with Jenny Wiley's got

978
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: to go, man.

979
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 7: I honestly, for someone that runs New Zealand netball and

980
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 7: not to come back in a crisis, and it was

981
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 7: a crisis quite honestly, on the eve of playing South Africa,

982
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 7: not to come back it says it all for me,

983
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 7: I mean honestly in my view, Yeah, they hate to

984
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 7: look for a new see and I'm being straight up there.

985
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 7: I just think it's quite quite unbelievable that she didn't

986
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 7: return to you know, she left it with. I think

987
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 7: it was mister Winderrey to control the situation. Obviously him

988
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 7: being back here and that's who she answers to. But

989
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 7: quite quite crazy. He's on holiday now, so let's go

990
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 7: out and marry he around, doesn't.

991
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: It really feels a bit like that. Hey, thank you

992
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: very much. Touch appreciate it. Sir Gordon Titchen's former All

993
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: Black sevens coach is still straight shooting, you can see. Okay,

994
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: let's deal with Palestine next five two.

995
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: The name you trumped to get the answers you need,

996
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

997
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: like no one else News Talk there Be five.

998
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Twenty five will deal with the water bottles in about

999
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: ten minutes time. Listen, Can I just come to the

1000
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: defense of Winston Peters for a minute. Winston has been

1001
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: labeled a coward for the position that he took on

1002
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 2: Palestine on Saturday, which I do not think is fair,

1003
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: because it appears to me that what he's done is

1004
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: actually the opposite of cowardice. The easy thing would have

1005
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: actually been for him to just go with the crowd,

1006
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: just say, yep, we recognize the Palace Indian state, because

1007
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: that's what everybody else is doing. The hard thing for

1008
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: him to do is go against the crowd, go against

1009
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: what everybody the UN is doing, go against the domestic

1010
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: media opinion, go against the commentator's consensus. So actually, when

1011
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: you think about it, he's not being cowardly at all.

1012
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: And actually I agree with his analysis at the moment.

1013
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Set aside whether there should be a Palestinian state, because

1014
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: of course there should be a Palestinian state, and I

1015
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: think most of us think that right if it's possible,

1016
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: it should happen. That's not what this is about. It

1017
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: is about whether you do that right now, because doing

1018
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: it right now is rewarding Hamas, and they themselves have

1019
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: made it clear that they see the recognition of a

1020
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: state of Palestinian of Palestine as a vindication of the

1021
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: massacre that they carried out on October seven. You cannot

1022
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: reward terrorists for taking innocent lives. But also, and probably

1023
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: more importantly, it's not going to do anything to end

1024
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: the war. If you really want to end the war,

1025
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: if Trump's current peace plan fails, then what we need

1026
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: to do is punish Israel for what they're doing. They

1027
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: should be sanctioned, and they should be isolated from the

1028
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: International Commune until they stop. And we've been saying this

1029
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: for weeks on the show. For every day that we

1030
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: talk about whether we recognize a Palestinian state, we are

1031
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 2: wasting a day that we could be talking about what

1032
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: we actually should be doing, the things that would actually

1033
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: end this war, like punishing Israel for what they're doing,

1034
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: which again is another day that we've wasted talking about

1035
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: the wrong thing.

1036
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 3: Heather do for Sea Ellen.

1037
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: By the way, if you haven't caught up on what

1038
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: the detail of at least the more interesting details of

1039
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: Trump's peace plan, are going to run you through some

1040
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: of them. I get a chance in the next half hour, Heather,

1041
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: give the guy a break. He picks up thousands of

1042
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: bins a day, So when will it be too heavy

1043
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: for you? Seventeen eighteen thirty, what ever? Whatever? Who is

1044
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: this host is the person texting me, the person who

1045
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: has actually designed the stupid green binskin skip. He is

1046
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: not nu scheme. He's not packing up thousands a day,

1047
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: is he? Because no one actually does the green bins

1048
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 2: do they? We never look up and down the street

1049
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: how many people are doing the look look at how

1050
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: many people are not doing He's not packing up that many.

1051
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: And even if he is, it'll be like toe kj's

1052
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: three kg's, five kg's. There's the Germans one fattin kjs.

1053
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: He can do it. He's a big boy, he's got

1054
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: strong arms. Listen, somebody's text through and said, there is

1055
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: a like we are getting to the point with this

1056
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: green bin thing, which is it is becoming so ridiculous

1057
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: that all cland council is going to have to abandon it.

1058
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: Like you know that that's the case, right, It's costing

1059
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: us millions and millions of dollars. In fact, I reckon

1060
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: if one of the candidates would run on actually scrapping

1061
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: the bin, I'm looking at you, Wayne Brown, I think

1062
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: it would work quite well, don't you think. Anyway, And

1063
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: deal with the next stupid thing, which is the drink

1064
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: bottles and the Supermarket's next newstalk ZB.

1065
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1066
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, it's Heather Duper Cllen

1067
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand hand of power, a satellite

1068
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: mobile news talks.

1069
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 19: Be right.

1070
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: Remember Nichola willis always with us Monday six o'clock Finance Minister.

1071
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: Obviously she's going to of us as per today. And

1072
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: before we get to six o'clock, I need to tell

1073
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: you about my holiday, Yan, about more week's hot. I

1074
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: feel like every time I go on holiday, somebody in

1075
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: my family goes to hospital and it's the usual. It's

1076
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: the usual. Suspect this time to standby, I give you

1077
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: the yen twenty four away from six. Now, we've got

1078
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: a bit of controversy over water at work. So what's

1079
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: happened is a New World worker has gone on to

1080
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: Reddit to complain that their store is going to ban

1081
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: employees from having water bottles on the shop floor. This means,

1082
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: of course, they can only drink water on their breaks.

1083
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Speaker 2: Rud Hues is with the workers' first union high Rod Good.

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Speaker 2: Is this really happening?

1085
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 6: Well, apparently it is, and it's not the first time

1086
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 6: we've kind of come across this sort of thing. We

1087
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 6: have had issues and other stores and other retail stores,

1088
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 6: and where we've had those issues, we've managed to sit

1089
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 6: down with the company and talk about access to water

1090
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 6: and where they have access to water, you know, they

1091
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 6: don't need the water bottles, but where they haven't got

1092
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 6: access to water, and where they can put them out

1093
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 6: of sight under counters. The companies have come back and said, Okay,

1094
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 6: well those people can have water bottles. It seems to

1095
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 6: be a you know, kind of a basic human right

1096
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 6: that people should be able to have access to water.

1097
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: What's the problem. Is it just the size of the bottle.

1098
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 6: It seems to be that that is that is that

1099
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 6: is the problem, And it may be that they think

1100
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 6: that it's getting in the way of customer service. I

1101
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 6: think that actually, if you've got hydrated people who are

1102
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 6: comfortable and happy, they're going to give much better customer

1103
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 6: service than people who are dying for a drink.

1104
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1105
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: How long can these these workers go without a break,

1106
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, between being able to get to their drink bottles.

1107
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 6: Well, there's requirements under the law for people to be

1108
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 6: able to have a break every two hours or two

1109
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 6: and a half hours, but there might be other reasons

1110
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 6: that people need water bottles. It may be, and I

1111
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 6: think that also one of the things that medical professions

1112
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 6: is is that we need to hydrate more than we

1113
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 6: actually do. And it's really basically it's a health and

1114
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 6: safety issue.

1115
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: As far as I consider now New World's franchises, isn't

1116
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: it so this would very stored to store, wouldn't it?

1117
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 6: It does? It does, and some you know, and some

1118
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 6: employees are much better than others in terms of making

1119
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 6: sure that their their employees are comfortable and hydrated, whereas

1120
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 6: you know, some are much more dictatorial and not willing

1121
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 6: to kind of provide that for workers.

1122
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: I find this really odd, Rud, because I would have

1123
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: thought that if you're standing at a checkout, you've got

1124
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of places you can hide your bottle

1125
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: underneath the count, can't.

1126
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 6: You, Budly, I couldn't agree more, And that is the

1127
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 6: argument we've made when when we've talked to other other companies.

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Speaker 2: Rud, thanks very much, appreciate it. Rud Hughes, Deputy Secretary

1129
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: of Retail at the Workers First Union, got a statement

1130
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: from food Stuff so they say there's no national food

1131
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: Stuff's policy on this, but we expect our store teams

1132
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: to be fair and reasonable look after their teams. It's

1133
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: twenty one away from six the.

1134
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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your one

1135
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: of the kind The.

1136
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Speaker 2: Huddles me this evening we have Joseph Gani, CEO of

1137
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: Child Fund, and Tim Wilson, the director of the maximums

1138
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 2: to Jude. Hello you guys, Hello Josie. The shakeup of

1139
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: the earthquake rules as well over you, isn't it.

1140
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, I actually think this is a pretty good balance.

1141
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 20: I mean you've got to get somewhere between no risk

1142
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 20: at all and you can't do anything that's going to

1143
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 20: have any potential risk of injury or death, and then

1144
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 20: some kind of balanced risks. So we do it with

1145
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 20: cars all the time, right, I Mean, if we didn't

1146
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 20: want anyone to die on the roads, we would say

1147
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 20: everybody has to drive at five kilometers per hour yea,

1148
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 20: and no one would die. Maybe a few cats, so

1149
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 20: you kind of go. You know, you've got to have

1150
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 20: a sensible sort of in between. I do worry, though,

1151
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 20: while I think this is really good, the big issue

1152
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 20: I know for friends of mine are in this position

1153
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 20: where they can't sell their house because it's earthquake prone

1154
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 20: or their building or their commercial building. Is that you

1155
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 20: have to get insurance. That's one big thing, and I'm

1156
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 20: not convinced yet that they've really thought that through. And

1157
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 20: the other thing is you have to be able to

1158
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 20: get a bank Loaneople who are buying a property have

1159
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 20: to be able to get a bank, and bank with

1160
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 20: the insurance well if they're not insuring. So I listened

1161
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 20: to the minister and he said, oh, no, the buildings

1162
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 20: that come off the earthquake risk, they will be able

1163
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 20: to be and should Now I think that's an assumption.

1164
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 20: I'm not yet sure that that's what the insurance companies

1165
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 20: will do. But probably even more of an issue is

1166
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 20: being able to get a bank loan. So if you're

1167
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 20: buying a property, you want to get a bank loan,

1168
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 20: the bank says, Nope, won't lend to you because we

1169
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 20: still don't think that this is going to be earthquake

1170
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 20: proof enough or something. So I just wonder if they've

1171
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 20: taken all those boxes.

1172
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. What do you think, Tim?

1173
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, two fair points. I mean the Minister was saying,

1174
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 21: as you mentioned, that he expects the insurance costs to

1175
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 21: sort of go down. Bank lines another thing, and the

1176
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 21: banks are typically, you know, they're very long faced about

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00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 21: any risk at all. But I've got to say, generally,

1178
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 21: thinking about this policy, when Tory Faro and Wayne Brown

1179
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 21: agree on something, that it's a positive move. The idea

1180
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 21: is clearly so practical as to maybe be beyond ideology

1181
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 21: and have some merit. So heads off to Chris Pink.

1182
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Tim, I do.

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Speaker 20: I do wonder though, Heather, whether or not, because we

1184
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 20: do have a tendency in New Zealand to kind of

1185
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 20: celebrate these things. We're removing regulation and we shove the

1186
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 20: resk on to customers. I have a feeling we've done

1187
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 20: it a little bit with building new building regulations not

1188
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 20: clear that customers or building owners will be protected, and

1189
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Speaker 20: I wonder here. I mean, it's all very well if

1190
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 20: you're walking down Wellington or Auckland, weather's a big population,

1191
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 20: but if God help you, if you're in a rural

1192
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 20: community with a population under ten thousand and they've decided

1193
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 20: that your buildings in the main street do not need

1194
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 20: to be earthquake proof and the building falls on you.

1195
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 20: So I think a better conversation about offloading risk into

1196
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 20: the public probably needs to happen too.

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Speaker 2: It's a fair point to make, Tim. Where are you

1198
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: on the government's call on the state of Palestine?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, look, I hood your editorial, and I do think

1200
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 21: that this is actually what independent foreign policy actually looks like.

1201
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 21: It's not doing what everyone else is doing. And it

1202
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 21: was accused, you know, the Winston Peters was accused of

1203
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 21: being cowardly. We were being accused of being cowardly. It's

1204
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 21: courageous in the sense that declarations from the UK and

1205
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 21: Canada they're all premised on a mass not being involved

1206
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 21: and releasing hostages, and those things are not going to happen,

1207
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 21: so they're whimsical, so it's got no value. The other

1208
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 21: issue here is if we recognize the state, whom are

1209
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 21: we recognizing Hamas or the Palestinian authority?

1210
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 20: Yeah, Josey, Yeah, I mean you've got to accept that

1211
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 20: people on both sides of this argument can make a

1212
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 20: reasonable case. And I think Mirinston made a reasonable case

1213
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 20: for me. You know, I mean, I run a CEO,

1214
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 20: I run a charity where we're working in Gaza, and

1215
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 20: I think you're absolutely right, Heather. I mean this doesn't

1216
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 20: immediately solve the problem of getting food and medical supplies

1217
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 20: across the border. So you know, we've got trucks that

1218
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 20: are stuck on the border that can't get across, and

1219
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 20: the pressure needs to come on Israel to lift the

1220
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 20: bureaucratic registration that's required for NGOs like ours to get

1221
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 20: across the border. So there's all these very practical, immediate

1222
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 20: things that would release trucks straight away. And you're right,

1223
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 20: recognizing Palestine doesn't make a difference to that, but it

1224
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 20: would actually make it easier for us to negotiate if

1225
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 20: you have most countries recognizing that you're never going to

1226
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 20: see river to see Palestine, and you're never going to

1227
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 20: see a greater Israel that takes over Palestine. These are

1228
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 20: two people Tom.

1229
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: Explain to me. Explain to me how recognizing a state

1230
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: of Palestine would make your job.

1231
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 20: Easier because then you can negotiate. So I actually think

1232
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 20: this marginalizes Hummus. It doesn't reward it because it says

1233
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 20: we will not negotiate with the Hummus, but will we

1234
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 20: will recognize the state that's ready, that's led by Palestinian authority,

1235
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 20: with Arab countries backing it. So then you have a

1236
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 20: direct line, a very practical line to start negotiating policy,

1237
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 20: these positions, rules, regulations. You start being able to negotiate

1238
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 20: some of this very practical stuff because with the Palestinian authority,

1239
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 20: that's years away.

1240
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 21: Just in terms of the Palestinian.

1241
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 20: Joseph right, it is years away, or it could be

1242
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 20: a year away. But what you would have is Egypt, Jordan.

1243
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 20: You'd have the Arab countries in Saudi Arabia in the

1244
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 20: regions starting to act like a transition government. You'd have

1245
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 20: someone like Tony Blair coming in who's been flown.

1246
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: You're talking about Donald Trump's peace plan, right, That's That's

1247
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: not what these are. Two are you not conflating the

1248
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: two things.

1249
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 20: No, I'm saying that if you recognize, if you recognize

1250
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 20: the principle of a state of Palestine, you can negotiate

1251
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 20: with the Palestine authority, but you would be it would

1252
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 20: be led at this stage by an Arab coordinated Arab

1253
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 20: group of countries. And probably you're right, there are something

1254
00:58:59,200 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 20: of the Trump.

1255
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: Just hold that because I want to hear it, but

1256
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: I just have to take a quick break. We'll come

1257
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: back to a quarter two.

1258
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

1259
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: leader in luxury real estate.

1260
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 2: So you're back with the huddle, Tim Wilson, Joe Speguanni, Tim, Sorry,

1261
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 2: what were you going to say?

1262
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 21: Oh, just about the Palestinian authority. I mean it seemed

1263
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 21: from within Palestine as corrupt, authoritarian and inefficient. And just

1264
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 21: just last week the Telegraph reported that it had just

1265
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 21: stopped its pay to Sleigh program of rewarding the families

1266
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 21: of terrorists for those they killed. So the Palestinian authority

1267
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 21: is not necessarily the kind of organization that you want

1268
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 21: to deal with it. And I think all of these,

1269
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 21: all of these paradoxes and concerns were well, I guess

1270
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 21: well laid out in Winston Peter's speech.

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00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point. Okay, Now have you caught up Josie

1272
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 2: on the green bene controversy.

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00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: Well, what else is there?

1274
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 20: This is much more important, clearly.

1275
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1276
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 20: I love our priorities are set right. I hate those

1277
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 20: green bins in the office. If they're like electric cars

1278
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 20: in the office, It's like, get the bloody things out

1279
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 20: of the office, and they stink and everything. But this

1280
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 20: is about I know, the collection at home, So I

1281
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 20: would say to your German, wonderful German producer Laura that

1282
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 20: at fourteen k, it's it's quite a lot. And if

1283
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 20: you're going to have if you're get to put fourteen

1284
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 20: k of oranges in your green bin, Laura, you probably

1285
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 20: need a compost bin. Why don't you get a compost bin?

1286
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: Isn't that what?

1287
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: Hold on?

1288
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: Isn't Laura? Isn't that what the lady on the phone

1289
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: told you, the lady on the phone that she called

1290
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: orchand council. The lady on the phone, Jos said to her,

1291
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 2: why don't you get a compost bin? And she said,

1292
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to. And then she said, why don't

1293
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: you get a second green bin? And she said, I

1294
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 2: don't want toe, I just want them because it's going

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Speaker 2: to cost you more. But then she said, why don't

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Speaker 2: you stick your oranges in your neighbor's green bin?

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Speaker 20: Oh? Why don't you put them in the waist master?

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Speaker 20: But also, look, I'm.

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Speaker 21: Not wast master. It's nice for some.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, very pushed.

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Speaker 20: Also I have a toaster and a dish washer. But yeah,

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Speaker 20: but hopefully one day you'll get those lovely modern cons.

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Speaker 21: I've got four dishwashers. But that's another story.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, well that's what happens. If you breed lots of children,

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 20: you're going to have lots of people to wash the dishes.

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Speaker 3: It's very good.

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Speaker 20: But I think also you've got a bear in mind

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Speaker 20: that even though I would have got rid of these

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Speaker 20: green bins entirely, but actually they're funding a whole bunch

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Speaker 20: of bio energy stuff. It's actually quite valuable.

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Speaker 2: Get off the grass. Have you read how much this

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01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: is costing Auckland City You could literally buy carbon credits

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Speaker 2: for I think it's something like thirteen times less or something. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: to put some inject some common scenes here, please him.

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Speaker 21: Okay, so the cost, the cost saving carbon saving sort of,

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Speaker 21: the cost of the bins is fourteen hundred per ton,

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Speaker 21: thank you. If you bought it an ets, it's fifty

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Speaker 21: to sixty per ton, So you buy it on the

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Speaker 21: open market.

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Speaker 2: Don't give me a voot.

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Speaker 3: Economic that was there?

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Speaker 21: I think that was a phrase from was it Ronald

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Speaker 21: Reagan or George Bush? Anyway? Anyway, the issue here, you

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Speaker 21: know what, there's two issues here. There's the soft handed

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01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 21: soccer bubba that wouldn't lift fourteen kg.

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Speaker 3: That's useless.

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Speaker 21: I mean fourteen kg is the size of a Christmas Ham.

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Speaker 21: If you can't lift a Christmas Ham, you shouldn't be

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Speaker 21: working on the truck. The other one at fold here

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Speaker 21: is Laura. If she can get fourteen kg's worth of

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Speaker 21: oranges off the tree, what she does is she presses them,

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Speaker 21: makes orange juice sheltered on the side of the road.

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Speaker 21: The kids did it last week and she get fifteen bucks.

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Speaker 3: For a liter.

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Speaker 2: That's also a lot of Laura cake that didn't get baked.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to point out Tim, you said you speak

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Speaker 2: so much common sence, Josie, go and work on it, please,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Pair of you, Joe Speghany, Tim Wilson,

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Speaker 2: our huddle, you know what it has. We are aware

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Speaker 2: that on this program we may well be making the

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Speaker 2: case worse, the situation worse, because the obvious, I mean

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Speaker 2: the obvious thing to do for Auckland councilors, if the

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01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: Green Ben's are causing this most trouble, just scratch them,

1344
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: scrap them. But Auckland Council does not logical or rational,

1345
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: so probably what they're going to do is go buy

1346
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: a gigantic truck can reconvert all of their trucks to

1347
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: have hydraulic arms that can pick up the bins, thereby

1348
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: lumping Auckland Council ratepayers with so much more cost because

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01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: that would be the thing that they would do to

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 2: avoid the man having to pick up fourteen kgs. So

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Speaker 2: if that happens, sorry, that was our fault.

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Speaker 2: Six away from six listen news just out. It is

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Speaker 2: understood that Dame Nolen Todoer has a meeting with Netball

1356
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: New Zealand tomorrow in what may be an attempt to

1357
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: finally break the Silver Ferns coaching stand off. And apparently

1358
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Speaker 2: it's also being reported that several past Silver Ferns have

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Speaker 2: put references forward in support of her. So things may

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Speaker 2: come to a head tomorrow and hopefully it's resolved. Now

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Speaker 2: I've been I need to talk to you about my

1362
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: week off. Okay, So the story involves Airbnb and also

1363
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 2: the husband lord. This man gives me so much trouble.

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01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 2: So what we decided in the end, The decision was

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Speaker 2: do we stay in Auckland to do and swim in

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Speaker 2: the pool in September. We're probably trying it on it's

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01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: early spring, or do we go to Wellington and see

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Speaker 2: everybody that we love. Well, we're going to go to Wellington, right,

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01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: But then, being a man, he gets a pain, doesn't

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01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: He gets a pain late in the previous week and

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Speaker 2: he just ignores it because that's what men do. Come Sunday,

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Speaker 2: the pain is so intense he has to go to ED.

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01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: Well done you. So he goes to ED and he

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01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: stays in ED overnight and they give him what he

1375
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: likes to call ken to mean to try and relieve

1376
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: the pain, because the fent and ole, as he calls it,

1377
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: did not work anyway. Turns out he's got sight like

1378
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: a really bad case of sciatica or whatever. I don't

1379
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: really know, but he was over. It was overnight in

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Speaker 2: hospital on Sunday, which meant that we missed the flight

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01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 2: on Monday to Wellington. And that was that, and that

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: was okay. I was okay with that in the end,

1383
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 2: because in fact, Wellington had, as per usual, shite weather,

1384
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: didn't it. It had wind that was blowing, it had

1385
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: rain blowing sideways like bullets into your face, and I thought,

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01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 2: I can't really be bothered with that. And I also

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01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: can't be bothered with having two children and then a

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Speaker 2: third one that I have to carry all three of

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01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 2: them to the airport at this state. So I was like, nevermind. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: this is where the story becomes about Airbnb. So for

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Speaker 2: all of the trouble that we give in New Zealand

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01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: and we moan about them, thumbs up to in New Zealand,

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 2: they were so awesome. I called them up. I said, listen,

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Speaker 2: this is the situation. We haven't been able to make

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01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: our holiday. Is there any chance we can get a credit?

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01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: Can we put the flights into credit? And they were like, yes,

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Speaker 2: we will do that for you. It was a hell

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Speaker 2: of a lot of money, by the way, because we're

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Speaker 2: flying in school holidays, so a couple of thousand just

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01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: went into I was like, good from you in New Zealand. Anyway.

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01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: Then I got in touch with Auckland Airport because I

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01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: pre booked my park and because I'm a psycho, and

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: they said yep, absolutely fine, and they credited me the

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01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: money for that. I was like, what are these guys?

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01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: We give them so much grief, they're legends. I went

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Speaker 2: to Airbnb. I was like, hey, listen, can't make the holiday,

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01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: what are the chants? Nope, can't have a refund. That

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: was a lot of money as well a lot of money.

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01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, the lesson that I've learned is that if

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Speaker 2: you're going, if you're traveling with people who give you trouble,

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Speaker 2: like children or husbands who have any part of the

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Speaker 2: body breaking down right on holiday time, what you want

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Speaker 2: to do is never ever, ever use Airbnb. Never use

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01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: Airbnb because all of your money is tied up with

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: some random homeowner in Wellington. I'm not going to have

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01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: a crack at them, fair enough whatever. If they want

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01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: to keep the money, they can, but they made the

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01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 2: decision that that was decent money for them to take,

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: and so they kept the money. But what it means

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: is that I'm now out of pocket. So in the future,

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Speaker 2: if you're traveling with people who are a liability like

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01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: I am, you want to go and stay with big outfits, right,

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01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: big hotels, motels, resorts, people who can give you a

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01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: credit or something like that. Anyway, that's my life lesson

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01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: that I've learned. I think I'm off the airbnbs now

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: for a very very long period of time. Anyway, in

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Speaker 2: the end. Guess what we swam in the pool for

1428
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: a week at was glorious? How good is the staycation

1429
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: from time to time?

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis is with us.

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Speaker 1: Next we have Business Meets Insights of a business hour.

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Speaker 1: We're Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mas for insurance investments and

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Speaker 1: Jueye Safer.

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Speaker 3: You're in good hands.

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Speaker 2: News talk said be evening. Coming up in the next

1437
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 2: hour Shane Solly on the latest market announcements.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: We're going to have a chat to the Property Institute

1440
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: on how big they think the earthquake regulations shake up is.

1441
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: There were us after half past and then Gavin Gray

1442
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 2: will do the UK for US at seven past six

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Speaker 2: and with us now we have Nikola Willis the finance

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Speaker 2: mins to high Nikola, Hi, Eather, this is all the

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Speaker 2: quake regulations out today. Do you know Chris Penk didn't know?

1446
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: Did you Do you know whether it saves the chateau?

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01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 10: I can't tell you the answer to that. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What about reading, I don't know. Do you know of

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Speaker 2: any buildings in your city that it might save?

1450
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 13: Well?

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01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 10: I know that overall four hundred and seventy buildings are

1452
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 10: removed from the Wellington Register as a result of the

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01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 10: changes we're an ounce today, So that's a long list.

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01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 10: In some is the individual engineers will look at it

1455
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 10: to see if it meets the criteria. But the rough

1456
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 10: assessment from the consultants we engaged is around four hundreds

1457
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 10: eavenly buildings in Wellington.

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: How quickly do you think before how long is it

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01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: going to take in order to get these buildings open again?

1460
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: Because this has been devastating for Wellington.

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01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 10: Well obviously individual owners of those buildings will make decisions,

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01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 10: but I think this will be a huge breath of

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01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 10: fresh year for Wellington because buildings that have been sitting derelict,

1464
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 10: waiting either for demolition or remediation that no one could afford,

1465
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 10: will now be able to do a reassessment and say, well,

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01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 10: actually we can reopen this building. We can put it

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01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 10: to good use. It'll breathe some energy into the city.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it a bummer that this happened to Wellington and

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Speaker 2: completely unnecessarily?

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Speaker 10: Well look, I think it's one of those things that

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Speaker 10: you look back and it was full of good intentions

1472
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 10: and people were trying to do the right thing, but

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 10: the impact has been massive and pretty devastating to Wellington

1474
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 10: in particular, but actually building owners across the country who

1475
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 10: were pulled into the regime and some of our small

1476
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 10: towns you've just had building after building along the main

1477
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 10: drag not able to be used. So it ultimately didn't

1478
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 10: make sense. Of course, we should be working to preserve life,

1479
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 10: but the changes went far further than that. In effect.

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Speaker 2: Now listen the heat that you guys are coppying for

1481
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: the decision not to recognize Palestine as a state at

1482
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Speaker 2: the weekend. Were you expecting that?

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01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 10: And I actually think whichever way we'd gone, there would

1485
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 10: have been heat on both sides, and so we as

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 10: a cabinet decided to do what we believed was an

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01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 10: independent New Zealand based decision, based very much on the

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Speaker 10: facts in front of us and what we thought was

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Speaker 10: the best thing. Ultimately, we still want to see a

1490
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Speaker 10: two state solution. We want to see Palestine and Israel

1491
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 10: able to coexist, and we want peace in that region

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Speaker 10: as soon as possible.

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Speaker 2: What if now is not the right time to recognize

1494
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: the state winners.

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 10: When there's legitimate people running the state as opposed to

1496
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 10: to Hamas, when you've actually got the hostages released and

1497
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 10: when you've actually got the ability for there to be

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01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 10: enough peace that there can be two states in place.

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Speaker 2: So does it work like this? If Trump's peace plan works,

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01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 2: then that sets us up for the basically setting up

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: setting up the framework for us to be able to

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: do that.

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, we're looking for real actions towards the full

1504
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 10: viability and legitimacy of the Palestinian state rather than just

1505
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 10: simply Pressureck in that direction. So actual tangible steps which

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01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 10: mean that there is an authority that can be recognized

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Speaker 10: with borders that can be recognized.

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Speaker 2: Okay, does that come about as a result of Trump's

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Speaker 2: peace plan.

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Speaker 10: Well, we yet to see exactly how that transpires and what,

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Speaker 10: but we are a.

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Speaker 2: Fair idea of what's involved.

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Speaker 10: Right, Well, an important part will be Israel stopping and

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Speaker 10: reversing the actions that it has taken aimed at destroying

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 10: the two states solution, and we yet to see what

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 10: will what will pass.

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Speaker 2: So if it plays out in the best possible way,

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Speaker 2: which is the host is a released, he must leaves Gaza,

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01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 2: Israel stops and eventually retreats, Tony Blair takes over runs

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Speaker 2: the administration. When that is all played out, is that

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01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 2: the point at which we do it.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think at that point we would have reason

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Speaker 10: to reassess.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, how rough was last week with the mood

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Speaker 2: of the boardroom?

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Speaker 10: Oh well, it was battering in the sense that I

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Speaker 10: take feedback from business leaders seriously. Their views matter to me.

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Speaker 10: But equally I'm also of the view that we are

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 10: doing the right things as a government. In fact, most

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01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 10: of the business leaders in that room agree that we are.

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01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 10: In many cases they want us to go harder and faster.

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01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 10: That's good encouragement. None of them were really calling for

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01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 10: a wholesale shift in direction. So the point I think

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01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 10: for sure about that, yes I am, because I read

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01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 10: the mood of the boardroom excerpt literally from cover to

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01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 10: cover with my highlighter hen in hand, and the sorts

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01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 10: of things that business leaders were calling for was they

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01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 10: were saying, you need to keep this a competitive place

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 10: to do business. You need to keep up the deregulation

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01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 10: in a big way. You need to be delivering infrastructure faster,

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 10: overhauling the resource management system.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what about this, What has Nikola Will

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01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 2: has done to create growth in New Zealand.

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Speaker 10: Well, yes, that was a comment from someone, As I said, right,

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01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 10: at the beginning, Heather, I was quite better to hear that,

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 10: because I would point to them and say, well, look,

1547
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,959
Speaker 10: we've done the investment those tax policy to encourage investment.

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01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 10: We've been completely overhauling the Resource Management Act. We've already

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 10: got fast track projects that are starting as a result

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01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 10: of the legislation that we've put in place. We've been

1551
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 10: having to fix up very difficult books, and so i'd

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 10: point to a number of things.

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01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: Have you read Damien, Have you to read Damien Grant's piece?

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01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 10: I haven't read that piece.

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01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So Damian Grant has written a piece yesterday which

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01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 2: has the headline Corporate New Zealand has written off this administration,

1557
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: says Luxeon and Willis have done nothing to indicate that

1558
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 2: they are willing to take the unpopular but necessary reforms

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01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 2: to prevent our accelerating economic decline. That's the problem, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's that I get the feeling that everybody is getting

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01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 2: frustrated by not enough big stuff being done. Isn't that

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01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: possibly what's upsetting people?

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 10: Well, I just argue that we have done some big things.

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 10: Twenty three billion dollars worth of savings in our first

1565
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 10: budget and in our second budget, the changes to the

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01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 10: pay equity regime, we're pretty big. They were pretty bold,

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01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 10: and I wouldn't say that anyone did them in order

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01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 10: to win a popularity.

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Speaker 2: None is that a structural change, right, None of that

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: is actually reversing the situation. Only it is only perhaps

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01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: slowing the situation. We find ourselves well.

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Speaker 10: Structural change for me is making sure that we can

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01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,919
Speaker 10: actually use the natural land and resources in this country

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01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 10: without being completely fitted by a resource management system that

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01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 10: has got on the way for three decades. We are

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01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 10: doing that reform. Structural change for me is making sure

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01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 10: instead of having a housing system where we put one

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01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 10: neighbor against another, we say it, actually, let's have a

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01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 10: modern approach to funding infrastructure, including with tolls, including with

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01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 10: value capture, so that we can go for housing growth.

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01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 10: I mean, structural change is fundamentally changing the tax system,

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01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 10: even in the midst of a fiscal consolidation, in order

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 10: to encourage businesses to invest in their own capital and equipment.

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,839
Speaker 10: Structural change is making sure the school system actually equips

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01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 10: kids with literacy and numeracy skills, something that's sort of

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01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 10: been forgotten over the last decade. So those are big changes.

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01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 10: They don't happen overnight, but they are important and we

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01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 10: are progressing them.

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01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 2: Are we going to get structural change with the electricity

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01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: announcement this week?

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01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 10: Well, you'll hear the details of that announcement when we

1592
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 10: make it. We've taken this very seriously as a cabinet

1593
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 10: because we recognize that ensuring that New Zealand has affordable,

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 10: secure energy supply will be critical to our economic growth.

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01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 10: And we've recognized that there are problems with the current system,

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 10: but we need to make thought for keyful reform and

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 10: that's what you'll see when we make the announcement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff. Okay, listen, Thank you. Nicola has always

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Speaker 2: appreciated Nichola Willis, Finance Minister. Coming up quarter past.

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Speaker 2: A seventeen pass six. Listen. Just on that Damian Grant piece.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't read it, I think it's worth reading

1605
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 2: just to understand how corporate New Zealand is feeling about

1606
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 2: this government at the moment. What he says is they've

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01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 2: had two years. This is Luxel and Willis, They've had

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01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 2: two years Luxelm and Willis could lead National to defeat

1609
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: next year or scrape back for another three anemic years

1610
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: of prevarication, procrastination and pessimism. As I quoted to Nicola,

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01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 2: they have done nothing to indicate that they're willing to

1612
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 2: take the unpopular but necessary reforms to prevent our accelerating

1613
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: economic decline. The disappointment isn't in their failure, but in

1614
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: their unwillingness to try and succeed. And if they do

1615
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 2: not wish to do what is required, they should do

1616
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 2: the honorable thing and stand aside for someone who is.

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01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: It's fair bit of that going on at the moment.

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,520
Speaker 2: By the sound things eighteen past.

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Speaker 3: Six together due for c Ellen Jane.

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Speaker 2: Solely harbor Asset Management is with us. Hello Shane to

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Speaker 2: no Quai here, how are you very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Busy day for the dairy sector announcements today. So you

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01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: had an announcement from Froontira.

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 22: Yeah. So Fontira is obviously sold its mainland group business

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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 22: to Talas, one of the big global groups, and it

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01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 22: announced a supply arrangement with them today basically a ten

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01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 22: year raw milk supply deal allow us both parties after

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 22: seven years to chop out with a thirty six months

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01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 22: notice keeping. Here is a good price for farm and

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01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 22: still based price of farm gate price plus some undisclosed

1631
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 22: premiums link to volume and collection and so forth. And

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 22: really importantly their Fontier is expecting the same sort of

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01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 22: volumes they have been delivering into mainland. So about tree

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01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 22: and fifty million leaders similar levels of activity between the

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01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 22: two groups, and terms of Finnish goods as well, all

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01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 22: up a little a little bit of support for the

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 22: Fontira ship race up half percent to seven ninety five today.

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Speaker 6: That's the Pontier shield of funds.

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01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: Sorry, okay. And what about Sinnay?

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01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 22: Yeah, so Sinlay has obviously been under pressure with rather

1641
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 22: than high levels a debt and a bit of an

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01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 22: operating profit problem over the last year. They came out

1643
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 22: with a result today. It was better than expected. But

1644
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 22: really the key thing that drove the sheep price up

1645
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 22: was up fifteen percent today to eighty one cents was

1646
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 22: a sale of its North Island assets to Abbott for

1647
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 22: just ever three in a million. That that is a

1648
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 22: really helpful combining it with a better cash flo and

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 22: it actually takes care of most of Cinema is dead

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01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 22: at the moment, they haven't provided guidance. Management didn't provide guidance,

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01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 22: but they did talk about previous manufacturing problems that pretty

1652
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 22: much resolved and they're actually seeing a strong customer demand,

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 22: so a much better day for SINEL.

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Speaker 2: Now. We've been speaking to Nicola Willis just before about

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01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,440
Speaker 2: the energy market report out this week. What's the market expecting.

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 22: Yeah, so market's actually real they keyfully optimistic is probably

1657
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 22: the less oputant. So we've got the government due to

1658
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 22: announced at sugigin divention charges hopefully on Wednesday. There's the

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01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 22: end of the month that's said, and based on recent

1660
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 22: minister's comments, the market's expecting changes to be pretty much

1661
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 22: common sense adjustments rather than major interventions, and that days

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01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 22: these have announcements on Wednesday won't really materially impact their

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 22: current share prices or their company valuations. What we are

1664
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 22: watching for the heather is measures that address things like

1665
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 22: gas shortages, including potential for gas imports, some improved transparency

1666
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 22: on hedging and assistance for retail market, some discussion about

1667
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 22: hydro storage, about contingent hydro storage, and anything that really

1668
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 22: streamlines this resource consenting process that while the market's not

1669
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 22: expecting big shocks. There's a lot of focus on you know,

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 22: is it going to be just that? Is it going

1671
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 22: to be a little bit of common sence?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff has Shane has always good to talk

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Speaker 2: From sourcing high quality materials all the way through to

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Speaker 2: using state of the art technology, They're all about providing

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Speaker 3: Encroaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither due to clan with the business hour and

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Speaker 3: News Talks V.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I meant to tell you what there's

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Speaker 2: some you know, basically the details of the Trump plans.

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01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 2: So the Trump twenty one point plan, we've got a

1700
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 2: little bit of, you know, bits and pieces being pieced together.

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 2: It sounds basically like this is the peace plan for Gaza.

1702
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: By the way, it sounds like obvious. It's going to

1703
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 2: require the obvious stuff. The hostages to all be released,

1704
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 2: Israel's troops to be withdrawed withdrawn and then it'll be

1705
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 2: sort of staged how they do that. By the looks

1706
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: of things, Humas has to leave. Hummus cannot be in

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01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 2: control of Gaza in any way. BENJAMINETNYA, who has confirmed

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01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: he would be prepared to offer Hummus some kind of immunity,

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01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 2: which suggests that I mean, if he's going Remember it

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01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago he was saying he's going to

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01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 2: wipe the whole lot of them out, So for him

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01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:32,839
Speaker 2: to be talking about immunity does mean he's taking this seriously.

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01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: Probably one of the most interesting parts of this is

1714
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: the rumors about Tony Blair being involved. So the apparently

1715
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 2: how this would work is that he would lead a

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01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: governing authority that's supported by the UN and Golf nations.

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01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 2: It would be called geta Golf International Transitional Authority and

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01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 2: they would run it for about five years, be modeled

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01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 2: on the international administrations that have overseen East Timor and

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Speaker 2: Kosovo and so on before they transition to statehood. Initially

1721
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 2: based in egypt southern border. Then it would go into

1722
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 2: Gaza wants the strip of stable alongside a multinational force.

1723
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 2: And then it's some stage once Blair has done his

1724
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 2: five years, that handed back to the Palestinians. Now I

1725
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 2: think at that stage somewhere after this is running. That's

1726
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 2: the point at which New Zealand, probably by the sounds

1727
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: of things, if you listen to what Nikolaula said, that's

1728
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: the point at which we start recognizing a Palestinian state

1729
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: six twenty six.

1730
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 3: There's no business like show business.

1731
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: Ever, so absolutely everybody is getting sued by the sounds

1732
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: of things. Vanessa and Morossi was at the top of

1733
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 2: her game in the two thousands, you remember her. It

1734
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: turns out there was a property dispute with her own mum,

1735
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: which has caused her massive issues.

1736
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 7: Now.

1737
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: The singer has spoken to sixty Minutes in Aussie about

1738
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: her legal battle with her family and the issues it

1739
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 2: still brings her. She successfully sued her mum in twenty

1740
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: twenty three for sole ownership of her two properties, but

1741
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 2: the two actually fell out a decade earlier after a

1742
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: lot of Vanessa's money went missing and Vanessa found out

1743
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: she was bankrupt. How much were you making, you know,

1744
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: like around Tanmel.

1745
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 9: How surprised were you when you found out that you

1746
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 9: couldn't service that mortgage?

1747
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 2: Wasn't happy because it just didn't make any sense. I

1748
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: knew once I started asking the questions that this would

1749
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: create a storm. She's now advocating for an Australian version

1750
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 2: of a Cougan account. Now, I don't know if you

1751
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 2: know what that I don't know what this was a

1752
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 2: Cougan account is when you have a child entertainer and

1753
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 2: a section of their finances get held in a cougan

1754
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 2: account until they come of age. She says it could

1755
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: have saved her family. She's gearing up now for her

1756
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 2: twenty fifth anniversary tour. Was in the year two thousand

1757
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: that she performed at the Sydney Olympic opening ceremony and

1758
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: she's bringing the party back across Australia. Haven't listen to her?

1759
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 2: Do you want to go to that party? Maybe? But

1760
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: probably not. But you know the bird needs a dollar,

1761
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 2: so you get out for out. Let's talk which this

1762
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: is a reaction to those earthquake regulations. Next day, use talks.

1763
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: ATB whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics. It's

1764
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and

1765
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: Mas for insurance, convestments and Kiwi Safer.

1766
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 3: You're in good ads. Use talks B.

1767
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: You were my hem aving Gray is with us out

1768
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: of the UK in ten minutes time. Heather here, we

1769
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,600
Speaker 2: got offered and bought an apartment building in Wellington for

1770
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: a million and then days later they on sold at

1771
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: the three million. WTF is this legal? Very good question mal.

1772
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 2: If you haven't caught up on this, this is just

1773
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: breaking in the news right now. I'll get you across

1774
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: it very soon, twenty four away from seven now. Staying

1775
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 2: on property, property owners and engineering experts are welcoming the

1776
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 2: shakeup of the earthquake building rules that we're announced by

1777
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 2: Chris Pink today. Government is limiting the kind of buildings

1778
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,839
Speaker 2: that these rules will be applied to. We concrete buildings

1779
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 2: three stories or higher, or buildings constructed with unreinforced masonry.

1780
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: Leoni Freeman is the chief executive of the Property Institute

1781
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: and with us Highlyoni.

1782
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 23: Hi, good afternoon.

1783
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 2: You're welcoming them too, Yes, very much.

1784
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 23: So we see it as a common sense approach that

1785
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:18,520
Speaker 23: still continues to preserve life safety, which is the key objective.

1786
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 23: But it doesn't leave our communities as ghost towns, which

1787
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 23: is what's been happening with so many derelict buildings and

1788
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,839
Speaker 23: small towns in our biggest cities.

1789
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: Like how quickly, realistically will some of those buildings open

1790
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 2: up again, like Reading Cinema in Wellington or the Amora Hotel.

1791
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's I mean, this legislation, this announcement today is

1792
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 23: just the first step in it. So it will go

1793
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 23: through and the legislation will be developed, and I understand

1794
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 23: that the bill will be passed before the next year's election,

1795
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 23: so is still a bit of time to go. But

1796
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 23: what it has done is, you know, it's signaling to

1797
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 23: the industry what is going to happen, and so I

1798
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 23: think that is a positive thing. When it comes to

1799
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 23: specific buildings, you know, we still have to see what

1800
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 23: the detail is going to to that sits under it,

1801
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 23: because they're talking about creating a new assessment tool and

1802
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 23: we want to understand so the you know, for something

1803
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 23: like the reading cinema cinema, we'd have to wait and

1804
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 23: see the detail.

1805
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 2: How many stories is that.

1806
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 23: The reading symm cinema. I'm not sure. I'm not a Wellingtonian,

1807
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 23: but I look very highly.

1808
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

1809
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 23: It might be two or three years.

1810
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: So then basically it's it's all go, isn't it.

1811
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 23: No, you know, they've still got to do the assessment

1812
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 23: because what they're trying to do with this is they

1813
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,560
Speaker 23: want to focus on the high risk buildings. And I

1814
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 23: can't comment on the reading cinema to see whether it's

1815
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 23: high risk or not, So I'm not making any comment

1816
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 23: on that. But what it is doing is saying, instead

1817
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 23: of having a blanket rule which sort of covers everybody

1818
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 23: and everything, they're saying, we're going to be a lot

1819
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 23: more nuanced, and it's going to be you know, whether

1820
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 23: you're in an urban center or a smaller town, whether

1821
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 23: it's three stories plus, which probably the reading cinema is,

1822
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 23: and if you've got an unreinforced masonry buildings. So it's

1823
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 23: focused on really trying to solve the problems that create

1824
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 23: risk for people in buildings rather than a blanket approach.

1825
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 2: What do you think the impact on insurance will be.

1826
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 23: Yeah, that's a good question. Again, the more certainty we

1827
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 23: can provide in the space, the better for everyone involved.

1828
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 23: Because because the rules have kept changing and people, you know,

1829
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 23: you can have different engineers go to a building and

1830
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 23: somebody says, oh, it's fifty percent of the NBS or

1831
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 23: new Building standard, and someone else says it's seventy percent,

1832
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 23: and then an owner might upgrade a building, but then

1833
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 23: in a few years after it they have to upgrade again.

1834
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 23: It's just created a whole lot of uncertainty and people

1835
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 23: have just stopped and said, well, we you know, and

1836
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 23: we've seen a lot more buildings become derelict, empty and

1837
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 23: not being updated. So I think once we get through this,

1838
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 23: then you know the insurance premiums. I think you know

1839
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 23: because they are targeted at what they perceive as risk,

1840
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 23: and to me, this is part of that whole risk assessment.

1841
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: Leoni. By the way, have you caught up on this

1842
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 2: business with the Dixon Street flats in Wellington?

1843
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 23: No, I can't say here.

1844
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: I'll go and read about. It'll fascinate you. Thank you

1845
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: for your time. I really appreciated. Leoni Freeman, Chief Executive Property.

1846
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,520
Speaker 3: Institute Heather do for Sellen.

1847
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 2: I'll bring you up to speed on it. So do

1848
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 2: you remember a couple of couple of three weeks ago

1849
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: I told you about what was possibly the bargain of

1850
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 2: the century, Ko Kuying of Order State Housing Housing New

1851
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Zealand sold the Dixon Street apartments in Wellington to the

1852
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 2: local EWEI for one million dollars. A bargain because hands

1853
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 2: up in Auckland, who paid more than one million dollars

1854
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 2: for one house? Never mind? What is it like one

1855
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen units or something like that. It was just nuts.

1856
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 2: It was completely nuts how cheap this building was. It

1857
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 2: was just it's so many units sold for one million dollars. Anyway, Yeah,

1858
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 2: there's a reason it was the bargain of the year,

1859
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 2: and there's a reason we should have all looked at

1860
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: that and thought that's but weird, because about two weeks

1861
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 2: and six days later it's sold again for three million dollars.

1862
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 2: So what happened is kainga order has a treaty settlement

1863
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: and because of the treaty settlement they have to give

1864
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 2: the first refusal, the first right of refusal to the

1865
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 2: local ewe, Taranaki far Nui. Taranaki far Nui. The EWE

1866
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 2: bought it for one point zero four million dollars in

1867
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 2: June at the time. Because everybody who looked at that

1868
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 2: and went um hmmm, seems a little underpriced. KO was

1869
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: obviously asked about it, and KO said it was comfortable

1870
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,839
Speaker 2: that the price reflected the unique value of the building.

1871
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: But then the trouble was two weeks six days later,

1872
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 2: Taranaki far Nui on sells the whole building for three

1873
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 2: million dollars to Ian Castle's and the Wellington Company, who

1874
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 2: are quite well known developers in Wellington. Now do you

1875
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: think that KO are a bunch of numpties who made

1876
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 2: under sold the building, because that's basically what it looks like.

1877
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 2: I mean, Ian Castle's is sitting there ready to buy

1878
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,759
Speaker 2: it for three million dollars. Ian can't buy it because

1879
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 2: he's not the local EWI. But maybe if they'd sold

1880
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 2: it to the local EWI first for I don't know,

1881
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: let's say two point nine to five million, then then

1882
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 2: they would have only made fifty thousand on selling it

1883
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: the local E which just made a little bit of

1884
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: money on selling it to Ian Castle's instead, local EWE

1885
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 2: has just made two million dollars basically being the go between.

1886
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 2: This is this the kind of country we want to

1887
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: live in? By the way, where you have to sell it,

1888
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: You have to sell it to the local EWE because

1889
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: they get the first right of refusal and they can

1890
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 2: basically dictate what price they're going to buy it for.

1891
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 2: That apparently is what happened here, and then they can

1892
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 2: just on sell it and just clip the ticket for

1893
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 2: two million dollars for being the local EWEI. That's not

1894
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: cool as it anyway, I would imagine that. No, the

1895
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 2: answer to that question is no, you do not want

1896
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: to live in that kind of country. And this is

1897
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 2: going to be news tomorrow. I would imagine, I think

1898
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 2: we're going to be all over this like a little rash.

1899
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Aren't we speaking about the things that should actually get

1900
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: some news. I should have brought this to your attention earlier.

1901
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank has done a review of how it

1902
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 2: completely mismanaged inflation during COVID, because you'll remember that, of

1903
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 2: course they went, oh, spend, spend, spend, pump money, pump money,

1904
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 2: pump money. Oh, look the rates going high, keep pump

1905
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 2: inflation's up, keep pumping money. And then when inflation was

1906
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 2: very high and they were still pumping money, they were

1907
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 2: we should change that. They have done a review in hindsight,

1908
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,839
Speaker 2: says the chief economist Paul Conway. In hindsight, an earlier

1909
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 2: or more aggressive tightening might have reduced inflation sooner, but

1910
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: this would have been given difficult given the data available

1911
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 2: at the time. What a clown. First of all. First

1912
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,799
Speaker 2: of all, in hindsight, yes, applying the brake does stop

1913
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 2: the car. Well done, I'm glad you're driving so now.

1914
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 2: So Paul has just acknowledged how the OCR. There's an

1915
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 2: alternative headline here, which is Reserve Bank learns how the

1916
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 2: OCR works. So I'm glad that Paul has realized how

1917
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 2: the ocr works. And yes, in hindsight that would have

1918
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 2: also been the case. But then also this would have

1919
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 2: been difficult given the data available at the time. That's

1920
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 2: a croc. And don't believe it because at the time

1921
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: Brad Olsen and probably Jared Gilbert because he should be

1922
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 2: our Reserve Bank economist, Brad Olsen. Definitely what did I say,

1923
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 2: Jared Wah, thank you, Jared Kurt's holiday brain, Jared Kerr

1924
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: who should be the Reserve Bank governor, Jared Kirk. But

1925
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,720
Speaker 2: definitely Brad Olsen was saying at the time, you have

1926
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 2: to apply the brakes. This is getting out of control.

1927
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: So when Paul says it would have been difficult given

1928
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 2: the data available at the time, not really. Because other

1929
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 2: people saw all of the same data and made different

1930
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 2: and came to different conclusions. All that it should tell

1931
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Speaker 2: you is that unfortunately, at the time when we needed

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Speaker 2: them to be really, really good at their jobs, the

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Speaker 2: people at the Reserve Bank just sucked sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen and Mass for

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Speaker 1: insurance Investments and hueye safer, you're in good hands.

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Speaker 3: News talks'd be.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray, UK correspondents with ours. Hello, Gavin, Hi, haven't

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Speaker 2: got the Russians intends to spy for them?

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Speaker 24: Well, that's partially one of the avenues of investigation that

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Speaker 24: the Dutch police are looking at. Two seventeen year old

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Speaker 24: boys have been arrested on suspicion of quote state interference

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Speaker 24: in the Netherlands, it can be said, in a case

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Speaker 24: with reported links to Russian spying. So what do we

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Speaker 24: know the details of sparse, but we do know the

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Speaker 24: pair were allegedly contacted by pro Russian hackers on the

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Speaker 24: messaging app Telegram. The Dutch media reporting that one of

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Speaker 24: the boys allegedly walked past the offices of Europole So

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Speaker 24: that's European Police eurous, that's the European Justice buildings and

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Speaker 24: the Canadian embassy all in the Hague, carrying what's called

1951
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Speaker 24: a Wi Fi sniffer. Now, for the uninitiated, this is

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Speaker 24: a device which basically allows you, if you can get

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Speaker 24: near a Wi Fi signal, to possibly identify it and

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Speaker 24: then intercept the network it's working from. The teenagers have appeared.

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Speaker 3: Before a judge. One of the boys has been remanded.

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Speaker 3: The other has.

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Speaker 24: Been allowed home, but on street bail conditions and rather interesting.

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Speaker 24: One of the boys fathers said to a Dutch newspaper

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Speaker 24: that the police had arrested his son while he was

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Speaker 24: doing his homework, and he said police had told him

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Speaker 24: the arrest was related to espionage and rendering services to

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Speaker 24: a foreign country. The teenagers described as computer savvy and

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Speaker 24: having a fascination for hacking, all while holding a job

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Speaker 24: down to the supermarket.

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Speaker 2: Lord, hey, listen, is it quite possible that Israel doesn't

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Speaker 2: get to participat in Eurovision?

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Speaker 24: I think it's looking more and more likely. The Eurovision

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Speaker 24: Song Contest, this annual festival of music where each country

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Speaker 24: puts forward a song and everyone else vhotes on it

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Speaker 24: is always saying, look, we're not political. We are, you know,

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Speaker 24: we just don't want any politics. This is all about

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Speaker 24: music and peace and harmony. But more and more countries

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Speaker 24: are lining up to say, if Israel takes part this year,

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Speaker 24: as you allowed it to last year despite protests, if

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Speaker 24: Israel takes pass in the May contest, we will not

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Speaker 24: come now. This all started with a couple of countries,

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Speaker 24: but it's been much much more widened since those original

1978
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Speaker 24: people said that Ireland, the Netherlands, Slovenia, Iceland and Spain

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Speaker 24: all said that they would either drop out or be

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Speaker 24: likely to drop out if Israel's involvement is continued. So

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Speaker 24: now the European Broadcasting Union is confirmed, it will invite

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Speaker 24: sixty eight member countries who knew there were that many,

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Speaker 24: to give their view at a General Assembly meeting in

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Speaker 24: early November. A decision would then be taken by a

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Speaker 24: simple majority. So if more than fifty percent of those

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Speaker 24: members vote to exclude Israel, and the country will not

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Speaker 24: be allowed to take part in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: But at least the kebab situation has resolved.

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Speaker 24: Ah, well, this is a story that I know will

1990
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Speaker 24: be close to many people's hearts. Kebabs in this country

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Speaker 24: often sort of delivered out of the back of takeaway

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Speaker 24: vans and often late at night when you've had a

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Speaker 24: few beers. But the Turks, and this was of course

1994
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Speaker 24: the kebab don a kebab originally from Turkey. The Turks

1995
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Speaker 24: applied for traditional specialty guarantee labels. Now what that effectively

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Speaker 24: means is, look, this is a regional dish. We want

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Speaker 24: to keep it original, authentic, and that means that basically

1998
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Speaker 24: there were a number of things they wanted to make

1999
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Speaker 24: sure and ensure that people had to follow if it

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Speaker 24: was going to be called Donica bab. First of all,

2001
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Speaker 24: the meat would have to come from a cowaged over

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Speaker 24: sixteen months, lamb aged at least six months. Chicken thighs

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Speaker 24: or breasts were allowed, Vealin Turkey meat would be banned.

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Speaker 24: Meat would have to be sliced to a thickness of

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Speaker 24: three to five millimeters head up, and the type of

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Speaker 24: knife would be regulated. Marinade subject to rules too. Now

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Speaker 24: that meant, of course that lots of people were up

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Speaker 24: in arms. Donika babs are huge in Germany alone, where

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Speaker 24: there are more than one point five million Turkish citizens.

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Speaker 24: It is a massive industry of its own, said to

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Speaker 24: be worth roughly five billion New Zealand dollars in Germany alone.

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Speaker 24: The idea they were going to dictate what type of

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Speaker 24: knife you could use and the thickness of the meat, well,

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Speaker 24: that certainly was something that the Europeans were complaining about.

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Speaker 24: And now Turkey has dropped that application too.

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Speaker 2: Right, Hey, thank you very much, Gavin, appreciate it. Talk

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Speaker 2: to you in a couple of days. Kevin Gray, a

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent, by the way, staying in Europe, and this

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Speaker 2: is actually a lot of us are going to listen

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Speaker 2: to this and think this is a good idea. Zurich

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Speaker 2: has voted to ban the leaf blowers and the leaf

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Speaker 2: suckers if they run on petrol, because over in Zurich

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Speaker 2: they've got the direct democracy, you know, where they can

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Speaker 2: where citizens can basically if they get a certain number

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Speaker 2: of votes. Again I don't think it's an unreasonable number

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Speaker 2: of votes, so they can get they can basically launch

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Speaker 2: their own referendu and then it goes out to a vote,

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Speaker 2: and then they get to vote and the thing becomes

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Speaker 2: a thing. Anyway, they've done this. They've banned the leaf

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Speaker 2: blowers and they've banned the leaf suckers if they run

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Speaker 2: on the petrol. The electric ones are okay because the

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Speaker 2: electric ones, as you well know from your own Saturday

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Speaker 2: and Sunday mornings, are quieter. But even the electric ones

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Speaker 2: are only allowed to run between October and December, which

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Speaker 2: of course for them is late autumn early winter, and

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Speaker 2: that's it. Now. I think that's going a little overboard,

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Speaker 2: and I don't mind if they use the leaf blowers

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Speaker 2: and the leaf suckers any time of the year, as

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01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 2: long as they're electric. But it's the only time I

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01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 2: hate the fossil fuel. It's the only time I hate it.

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Speaker 2: It's when it's running one of those little machines. Eight

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Speaker 2: away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tipsy Allan Drive full show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talk zeb Here.

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Speaker 2: The first rite of refusal at market rates is settlement procedure.

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Speaker 2: KO was slack non they were negligent with Crown money.

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Speaker 2: Someone or whole departments should be sacked. So can't wait

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Speaker 2: for this exciting thing tomorrow. We're already putting in the calls,

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Speaker 2: aren't we. We're already putting in the calls to KAO

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Speaker 2: because I think we're all going to want to talk

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Speaker 2: about this tomorrow. Five away from seven. By the way,

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Speaker 2: need to update you. I was just thinking about j

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Speaker 2: Low actually yesterday because we're listening to Jenny on the

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Speaker 2: Block on the holidays. She's reflected on her last year

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Speaker 2: and her divorce from Ben Affleck.

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Speaker 25: It was it was a tough time. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 25: a really tough time.

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Speaker 2: Now she's doing interviews for her new movie, which is

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Speaker 2: called Kiss of the Spider Woman, which Ben Affleck helped finance.

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Speaker 25: It was like the best in the worst of times

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Speaker 25: in a way, because it was every moment on set

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Speaker 25: and every moment I was doing this role, I was

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Speaker 25: so happy. And then it was like back home it

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01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 25: was not great and it was just like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 25: how do I reconcile this?

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Speaker 8: But you get through it.

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Speaker 2: And then the inshuricans. The split was the best thing

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Speaker 2: that happened to her.

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Speaker 25: I have to say it was the best thing that

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Speaker 25: ever happened to me because it changed me.

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Speaker 3: It didn't change me.

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Speaker 25: It helped me grow in a way that I needed

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Speaker 25: to grow, become more self aware. I'm a different person

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Speaker 25: now than I was last year.

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Speaker 2: That was a sham marriage, wasn't It was a sham engagement?

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Speaker 2: I think, wasn't it? Andy? It was make you believe me?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, it seems a little bit like that. It doesn't

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Speaker 26: it anyway? Hither I've I've got a bad statue alert.

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Speaker 26: We always get some of these stories. So music legend

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Speaker 26: Tina Tuna, She's been supposedly honored with a statue on

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01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 26: air Community of Browns Bulteina. Is that what these pictures

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Speaker 26: have I've given you some pictures. I have a look

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Speaker 26: at those for us.

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Speaker 4: Here for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go on, go on, it's quite on that. It's

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Speaker 2: quite bad. Oh, I guess, so what it is. It's

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01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 2: Tina Turner sort of legs of Timbo doing the song.

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Speaker 2: You know, she's she's busy doing simply the best or

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Speaker 2: something like that. But that hair that they have given

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01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 2: her is just disproportionately big.

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Speaker 26: Isn't It's it's like they've made it for two different statues,

2092
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 26: like they've got the sizes of the body for the

2093
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 26: heir wrong. It's it's as if the statue is meant

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01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 26: to be about ten meters taller and x y z.

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01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 2: Why it's not Tina's hair. That's something for a kiss.

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01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 2: But also the other problem is then you see her

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01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,640
Speaker 2: face and it looks like she's got a mouth cut on.

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01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 2: It's absolute for hideous. You get a story like this

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Speaker 2: every single year.

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Speaker 26: We've all seen the old Christiana Ronaldo ones and it's

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01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 26: just who screens the I wonder if that we feel

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Speaker 26: bad for statue makers who go through all this effort

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Speaker 26: and then suck.

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Speaker 2: Because once you've cast today, I mean that's a lot

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Speaker 2: of effort. Then you go on and the material is expensive,

2106
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 2: isn't it.

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01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, keeps saying, oh, we better roll it out. We've

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Speaker 9: made it.

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01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'd go just melt it down.

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Speaker 9: Yes, try it again, try again, We'll get it online.

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Speaker 9: It's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: I could have done better than that. Anyway, Thank you, Andy,

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Speaker 2: that was worth it. See you tomorrow, Have a lovely evening.

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