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Speaker 4: All Backs head coach Dave Rennie has confirmed his assistant

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Speaker 4: the previous All Blacks coaching group. He'll continue overseeing the

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Speaker 4: for congratulations Jason, How did these conversations unfold?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks very much.

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Speaker 5: I had a couple of conversations with friends when he

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Speaker 5: you know, I was probably just going to get a

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Speaker 5: the part he saw me in that. So yeah, it

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Speaker 5: was pretty pretty eagish from my point of view, I

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Speaker 5: guess to take that on board and looking forward to

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Speaker 4: So it didn't feel like a job interview. It was

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Speaker 4: more like, oh, yeah, here's what I want to do.

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Speaker 4: Are you keen to stay on?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look I was always always keen to stay on.

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Speaker 5: Known Barnzy for a long time and there's been a

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Speaker 5: massive mutual respect with us and it all sort of

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Speaker 4: Did you get a sense from Dave Renie that he

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Speaker 5: All the conversations that Renz and I had was just

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Speaker 5: So nothing was really talked around between him and I

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Speaker 4: Did it feel, I don't know, nice to get a

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Speaker 5: I guess so. Look at it's never about me. It's

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Speaker 5: To reflect on that and you've got to enjoy those

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we're in an interesting dynamic where we're

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Speaker 5: So there's a whole lot of sort of micro conbos

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Speaker 5: where we're at pretty good, pretty well, and pretty pretty

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Speaker 4: Let's drill down into the forwards. Always huge scrutiny on

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Speaker 5: I think there's been there's been a lot of movement

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Speaker 5: You know, we've learned some big lessons and I know

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Speaker 7: I know I will be.

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Speaker 5: We've got a couple of things not quite right and

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Speaker 5: But what I do know about any all black team

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Speaker 5: I know that Renses is pretty clear on taking a

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Speaker 7: On the line.

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Speaker 5: But core roles and fundamentals right is.

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Speaker 7: Going to be important.

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Speaker 5: That's what he's driven around, being brilliant basics. So I

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Speaker 4: You've talked in the past, Chase about how competition for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a great point, and I think with

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Speaker 5: that the players do, but you know, I think position wise,

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Speaker 3: Can roll the new ones on.

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Speaker 5: So I think we're in a pretty good spot, I

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Speaker 7: And the competition's healthy.

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Speaker 4: Do you have enough runway ahead of the next Rugby

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Speaker 5: Well, we're not going to get any more, that's so right.

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Speaker 4: Well it's bang on, so.

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Speaker 5: It's going to have to be. But there is definitely,

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Speaker 4: You're a rugby coach obviously, but yeah, first and foremost

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Speaker 4: a human being with real emotions. How challenging have the

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Speaker 5: Definitely they have been challenging.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't been It hasn't been easy.

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Speaker 5: It's been really tough on a lot of people. A

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Speaker 5: but that's you know, that's what we choose to do,

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Speaker 5: so that that's not going to go away. But I

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Speaker 5: that have been involved will move forward because they're all

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Speaker 5: and I got no doubt they'll all be better for it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well you say it. It may be easy for

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Speaker 4: but you're also saying goodbye to people who you have

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Speaker 9: the rugby is almost played in a style that's almost

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Speaker 9: better than it was. Did Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 4: I totally agree with that. Yeah. You think of the

436
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Speaker 4: Six Nations historically and you know this is going back

437
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Speaker 4: a bit, but you know, you think about nine you know,

438
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Speaker 4: scorelines are nine to six and you know ten seven

439
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Speaker 4: and things on that. But that last game of the

440
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Speaker 4: Six Nations, what was a forty six to forty three

441
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Speaker 4: when France kept apparently right at the end to win it.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, we don't have a mortgage on attacking rugby

443
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Speaker 4: anymore either.

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Speaker 9: No, And I think New Zealand's got to take and

445
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Speaker 9: stand up and go well, you know, we've exported a

446
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Speaker 9: lot of our coaching skills and almost play style of

447
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Speaker 9: play to the rest of the world, and I think

448
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Speaker 9: that's made it actually a better game, to be honest.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this mark for the South African too.

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Speaker 4: Of this year four test matches, three in the Republic

451
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Speaker 4: and then that one in Baltimore, what what would be

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Speaker 4: acceptable to you? Given everything you've chatted about there and

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Speaker 4: the fact that it's it's not a World Cup, a

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Speaker 4: new coaching team the World Cup next year, what's an

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Speaker 4: acceptable series result for you as an All Blacks fan

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Speaker 4: against South Africa.

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Speaker 9: I think it's going to be a bit of a

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Speaker 9: war of attrition because there's a lot of games as

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Speaker 9: well along the way this year, and yeah, I mean

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Speaker 9: a lot of the success of the team is probably

461
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Speaker 9: going to come down to injury management. I guess you know,

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Speaker 9: it's just the way of the modern game. Really, you've

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Speaker 9: just got to manage those things. But as far as

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Speaker 9: the series goes, I mean, I think as they can

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Speaker 9: come away from it loud takes some I'll use this

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Speaker 9: piny learning.

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Speaker 4: No, no, don't make me cut you off. Don't make

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Speaker 4: me cut you off.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 9: I think if they just take some lessons, and it's

471
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Speaker 9: probably probably the best build up for a World Cup

472
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Speaker 9: you could have taking the team to South Africa, playing

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Speaker 9: in the hardest probably country that the All Blacks playing,

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Speaker 9: and yeah, it's going to be a real test and

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Speaker 9: as long as they can be competitive, and yeah, I

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Speaker 9: think you've just got to look at it from a

477
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Speaker 9: positive point of view. I mean, it was such a

478
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Speaker 9: shock to lose Razor. I mean not anyone in the

479
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Speaker 9: rugby world predict that he'd be gone. So you're just

480
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Speaker 9: going to get behind Dave and he's probably one of

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Speaker 9: our best coaches and just support the All Blacks instead

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Speaker 9: of sort of kicking them if they lose.

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Speaker 4: I guess, good Man Mark, always good chatting to your mate. Logical,

484
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Speaker 4: well thought out opinions as always from you. Oh eight

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty spere line want to jump

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Speaker 4: aboard and have a chat A look. Instant reaction to

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Speaker 4: me saying that we shouldn't expect the All Blacks to

488
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Speaker 4: win every Test match anymore? Pinety, did you just say,

489
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Speaker 4: says this text we shouldn't expect to win every Test

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Speaker 4: match anymore? It's the All Blacks? I'm shocked. Similar from uso, Piney.

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Speaker 4: We expect to win every game. That's what makes us

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Speaker 4: different from the rest. We are the All Blacks. Okay,

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Speaker 4: maybe the wording isn't quite right. I still go into

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Speaker 4: every Test match expecting us to win. But when we

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Speaker 4: lose these days, I think there is a greater maturity

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Speaker 4: about our response going back fifteen years, let's say, going

497
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Speaker 4: back further than that. Actually, it was probably worse a

498
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Speaker 4: little bit further back, sort of in that period around

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Speaker 4: just after rugby went professional, and probably you know, the

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Speaker 4: low point of this was the loss in the Rugby

501
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Speaker 4: World Cup semi final in nineteen ninety nine and the

502
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Speaker 4: response to that, which went as far as certain coaches

503
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Speaker 4: and the horses that they owned being spat on at

504
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Speaker 4: race meetings. You know, I'm not sure that that's a

505
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Speaker 4: particularly mature response to losing a rugby Test two thousand

506
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Speaker 4: and seven. I think there was a lot of whaling

507
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Speaker 4: and gnashing of teeth after that as well. But then

508
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Speaker 4: fast forward to twenty nineteen and our loss in the

509
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Speaker 4: semi final against England in twenty nineteen, I remember thinking

510
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Speaker 4: afterwards that there was just a greater realization then that

511
00:26:01,067 --> 00:26:05,107
Speaker 4: we were beaten on that day by a better team

512
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Speaker 4: and sometimes that's going to happen. So, yeah, maybe I

513
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Speaker 4: worded it wrong. I still expect us to win every test.

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Speaker 4: We are the All Blacks. That's that's what we're about.

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Speaker 4: An expectation of excellence and victory every time the team

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Speaker 4: takes the field. But so maybe what I should have

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Speaker 4: said was we've gotten better at losing as a rugby public. Yes,

518
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Speaker 4: we still critique the team, of course we do. We

519
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Speaker 4: keep their standards high. We put the team in the

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Speaker 4: you know, in the spotlight because they're the All Blacks

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Speaker 4: and they they embrace that. They you know, they at

522
00:26:47,267 --> 00:26:49,787
Speaker 4: times they probably think, man, everyone's on our back. But

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Speaker 4: that is what has built the All Blacks legacy is

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Speaker 4: an expectation from the rugby public and internally when every

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Speaker 4: game you play. Pip says thank goodness, it's changing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it says a lot more about us as

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Speaker 4: a you know, as a as people that we can,

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Speaker 4: you know, that we can be a bit more accepting

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Speaker 4: of defeat in a sporting contest. I mean back to

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Speaker 4: seven good I mean, you say the name Wayne Barnes now,

532
00:27:15,467 --> 00:27:19,587
Speaker 4: you know, and even eighteen years nineteen years on, we

533
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Speaker 4: all still remember it, don't we. We all still remember that. Finally,

534
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Speaker 4: these guys are the best of the best. They know

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Speaker 4: how to play. The coaches have to get the combinations

536
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Speaker 4: right and the game plans for each team we play.

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Speaker 4: Get that right, and I'm sure we will be okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And that's the other part, and we can address this

539
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Speaker 4: as well as that, is that everybody is back in

540
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Speaker 4: contention now. There are players who didn't really get a

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Speaker 4: look in under Scott Robertson. There were others who were

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Speaker 4: brought in and then discarded. There were others who you know,

543
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Speaker 4: were locked in as members of the starting fifteen or

544
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Speaker 4: certainly the match day twenty three. That slate is clean now,

545
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Speaker 4: and much that might be perhaps a negative thing when

546
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Speaker 4: you've only got eighteen months into a Rugby World Cup,

547
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Speaker 4: it's actually a positive thing too. Every player goes out

548
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Speaker 4: on a super rugby field now and knows that they

549
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Speaker 4: have the opportunity to wear the black jersey. Dave Rennie

550
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Speaker 4: comes in with absolutely no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I heard

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Speaker 4: yesterday that when he was appointed he rung every single

552
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Speaker 4: player who had represented the All Blacks under Scott Robertson,

553
00:28:37,067 --> 00:28:39,987
Speaker 4: rung them all and had a conversation with all of

554
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Speaker 4: them outlined as plans and basically gave them the message,

555
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Speaker 4: either you know, brutally or or perhaps a little bit

556
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Speaker 4: more softly, that there were no guarantees anymore. It does

557
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Speaker 4: not matter who you are. Cam roy Guard might be

558
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Speaker 4: far and away the best halfback going around, but he

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Speaker 4: would have got the message, I'm sure from Dave Rennie

560
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Speaker 4: that everybody starts on the start line, that you're in

561
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Speaker 4: the same position as Cortezelatama, as Noah Hotham, as Finlay

562
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Speaker 4: Christi is for our Fuckatava, as all of them, and

563
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Speaker 4: the same goes for everybody in the team. Will Jordan

564
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Speaker 4: you think about the players who are rusted on starters

565
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Speaker 4: Ardie Savilla, I'm sure that daver and he said the

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Speaker 4: same thing to him in Japan of course we expect

567
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Speaker 4: to play, but they're all they're all back on equal

568
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Speaker 4: footing now and I think that's a good thing. I

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Speaker 4: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty twenty one away from one.

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Speaker 4: We'll only talk for rugby until One'm going to flick

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Speaker 4: across the football after that with a couple of all

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Speaker 4: whites come into the studio. So if you've got some thoughts,

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Speaker 4: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty And just also, what

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Speaker 4: is an acceptable what is an acceptable score line? When

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Speaker 4: we face South Africa later in the year, As I said,

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Speaker 4: expect to go in and win all four. I don't

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Speaker 4: think that's the most likely outcome. So what would you accept?

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Speaker 5: Not?

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Speaker 4: What do you expect? What would you accept? Two all?

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Speaker 4: Would you take two all? I kind of think I

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Speaker 4: might back with more of your calls after this. I

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Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: If it matters in sports, it matters here. Weekend Sport

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Speaker 1: with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trusted

585
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Speaker 1: home builder News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 4: Seventeen to one talking all black. Hello, Dan, gooday party?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm going great?

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Speaker 11: Dan?

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Speaker 4: What's going on with you? Mate?

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Speaker 3: Parney.

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Speaker 12: I just want to bring up one or two issues

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Speaker 12: that concerns me. Okay, I've been watching YouTube and so on,

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Speaker 12: and most of the guys there that I trying to

595
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Speaker 12: pick an all black team are picking the same players

596
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Speaker 12: as last year. My question is, the same players.

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Speaker 3: Who were.

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Speaker 12: Beaten by England, who lost in Wellington dramatically to South Africa,

599
00:31:13,307 --> 00:31:20,587
Speaker 12: who barely beat a French B side. What does that

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Speaker 12: tell you about the depth of rugby in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Well, then, I think, as I just said, Dave Rennie

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Speaker 4: has said that he is now considering everybody who's playing

603
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Speaker 4: super rugby. So I think we probably need to wait

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Speaker 4: until he names his first squad before we make any

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00:31:36,987 --> 00:31:40,267
Speaker 4: assessment of whether he's sticking with the tried and true

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Speaker 4: or giving something different to crack.

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Speaker 12: Okay, but I think that he will pick those players.

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Speaker 12: You just listening to Jeff Wilson, listening to Marty Devlin,

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Speaker 12: Tony Johnson, they are going with the same players that

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Speaker 12: we're beaten in the last two years.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to wait till Dave Rennie names the team. Dan,

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Speaker 4: I think you know, I mean three fine gentlemen you

613
00:32:16,067 --> 00:32:19,187
Speaker 4: just named there, and I take their opinions on board,

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00:32:19,267 --> 00:32:21,627
Speaker 4: you know, very seriously. But I'm going to wait and

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Speaker 4: see what Dave Rennie comes up with, because I think

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Speaker 4: if we assume anything here, and certainly given his comments

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Speaker 4: about how everybody is back in contention, I think we

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Speaker 4: may find ourselves having a discussion which is not relevant. Yes,

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Speaker 4: there are certain guys who are going to be there,

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Speaker 4: some of the ones I mentioned before. Ardie save is

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Speaker 4: going to be there, Cam roy Get's going to be there,

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Speaker 4: Will Jordan's going to be there. A lot of the

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Speaker 4: guys who played under Razor will play under Dave Rennie.

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Speaker 4: But I think we need to wait to see how

625
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Speaker 4: he freshens the squad and how he manages, you know,

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00:32:49,827 --> 00:32:52,227
Speaker 4: players within the squad before we make any assumptions.

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Speaker 13: Thanks Dan, Hi Stuart, Yeah, Hi, Jason, I was just

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Speaker 13: saying to your colleague. I apologize only tuned in about

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Speaker 13: ten minutes ago. I recently didn't send an email to

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Speaker 13: the New Zealand Rugged Union. Where I'm coming from, Jason

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Speaker 13: is that I'm a bit old school, and I know

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Speaker 13: I've got to be realistic. But the All Blacks, I

633
00:33:19,627 --> 00:33:23,787
Speaker 13: guess I'm a stats man. The All Blacks currently have

634
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Speaker 13: the best win loss ratio against any country in the world,

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Speaker 13: including the spring Box. And I know we've got a

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Speaker 13: tour coming out this year. I just got to say,

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Speaker 13: we have to keep winning as many tests as possible.

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Speaker 13: I was talking to a friend about a month ago

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Speaker 13: and I sort of said, well, I'd be sorry. I

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Speaker 13: know you'd said this, but this happened about a month ago.

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Speaker 13: And I speak to a friend about the South African

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Speaker 13: tour and I said, oh, I'd be happy with to

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Speaker 13: all draw and he said no, he said, we've got

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Speaker 13: to go to win the series. And I guess that's

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Speaker 13: my feeling, Jason, and I guess I yearned for the past,

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Speaker 13: but I just want us to stay ahead of everybody

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Speaker 13: if we can.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Stuart, you make a great point. I do too.

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Speaker 4: I do too, And you're right. You don't want to

650
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Speaker 4: get to a point where that, you know, if we're

651
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Speaker 4: if we're dealing in statistics and numbers, you don't want

652
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Speaker 4: to get to a point where we don't have that

653
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Speaker 4: number one spot in terms of win percentage against all

654
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Speaker 4: comers anymore. And you know, Stuart, I yearned for the

655
00:34:35,827 --> 00:34:37,907
Speaker 4: old days a bit as well. I got seen something

656
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Speaker 4: the other day and it was all of Christian Cullen's

657
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Speaker 4: All Blacks tries. I just sat there with my mouth

658
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Speaker 4: open Stewart, remembering those days.

659
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Speaker 13: You know, yes, absolutely no, We'll thank you for the

660
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Speaker 13: chance to speak, Jason. And also the manner of my

661
00:34:56,107 --> 00:35:00,027
Speaker 13: email to Direct Union was that I sort of paid

662
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Speaker 13: my respect to Scott Robertson for his part and perhaps

663
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Speaker 13: pulling back. And I also think the selection of Dave

664
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Speaker 13: Rennie is a good one. And I think all these

665
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Speaker 13: coaches have been very respectful of each other through the

666
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Speaker 13: whole process, which I think speaks for Algumes good.

667
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Speaker 4: Man, Stuart, great points. Well, mate, Please call back any time, mate,

668
00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:22,467
Speaker 4: always happy to chat to you. Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 4: We also finally have a big contingent of South African

670
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Speaker 4: supporters in New Zealand. I think we've learned from them

671
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Speaker 4: to be humble as we've murdered them on the pitch

672
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Speaker 4: a few times when they went through the quota system

673
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Speaker 4: and changed coaches. They'n now clearly the best and we

674
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Speaker 4: need to accept that we'll produced world class players again

675
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Speaker 4: sometime in the future and be the best again for

676
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Speaker 4: a period. Thanks Andy, yep, good point. I agree. I

677
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Speaker 4: think we know we have matured and actually, know what,

678
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Speaker 4: I think that's quite a good thing, don't you that

679
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Speaker 4: we've actually got better at not completely losing our marbles.

680
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Speaker 4: Every time the your Blacks lose a Test match, we

681
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Speaker 4: still expect them to win. Of course we do. It's

682
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Speaker 4: based on history. That's what we expect from our from

683
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Speaker 4: our you know, from our all Blacks. But it doesn't

684
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Speaker 4: mean that we can't just you know, call our jets

685
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Speaker 4: a little bit when we get beat. Having said that, though,

686
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Speaker 4: always enjoy chatting to you about it, win, lose or

687
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Speaker 4: draw high Sherwood.

688
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Speaker 10: Yeah, good morning, we're afternoon now. Two points. Number one,

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Speaker 10: I presume the fact that we're playing South Africa at

690
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Speaker 10: Cape Town and at a neutral venue. That potentially would

691
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Speaker 10: be two tests we could win because Joe Berg is

692
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Speaker 10: always a toughie up at the high Velt there, but

693
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Speaker 10: certainly Cape Town and Baltimore would be good. The other

694
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Speaker 10: point is tell me exactly when Richie Muanga is available.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's been absolutely confirmed that I would

696
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Speaker 4: be very surprised Sherwood if he wasn't available for the

697
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Speaker 4: South African tour.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, presumably he's not available for anything that's coming up

699
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Speaker 10: in New Zealand prior.

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Speaker 4: To that, I don't think so. No, again, I stand

701
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Speaker 4: to be corrected. I haven't seen anything official. There was

702
00:37:01,787 --> 00:37:05,067
Speaker 4: talk that he would have to play NPC before being

703
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Speaker 4: eligible for the All Blacks, which take him out of

704
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Speaker 4: that South African series and probably the Bledislow Cup that follows.

705
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Speaker 4: I just think it's New Zealand Rugby's own rule. Sure well,

706
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Speaker 4: they can do whatever they like if they want. They

707
00:37:15,107 --> 00:37:17,427
Speaker 4: could say to Dave Anny, you can pick Richie Wonga

708
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Speaker 4: for those July Tests if he gets back from Japan

709
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Speaker 4: in time. It's their own rule. They don't have to

710
00:37:22,507 --> 00:37:26,187
Speaker 4: check with anybody. I would be flabbergasted if Richie Moonger

711
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Speaker 4: doesn't go to South Africa.

712
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Speaker 10: Yep, me too. And he's a really classy player and

713
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Speaker 10: I hope we can get him as soon as possible.

714
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Speaker 4: I agree, Sherward. Thanks for calling, mate. I agree with

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Speaker 4: your sentiments there. Stephen.

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Speaker 11: Hello, Yes, Jason, I want to talk about an aspect

717
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Speaker 11: of the game that's not talked about much at all really,

718
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Speaker 11: and that's the condition of the field. So basically, we've

719
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Speaker 11: got the Super twelve running around Australia and New Zealand

720
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Speaker 11: and there's quite a variance in the pitch, the way

721
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Speaker 11: to the pitch with the heaviness of the pitch. So

722
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Speaker 11: I use amusing bowls as an analogy. So the Australian

723
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Speaker 11: bowls greens are fast, the New Zellan bowls greens are slower,

724
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Speaker 11: but they have a rating, and so so does horse

725
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Speaker 11: racing in New Zealand. So we have since tracks that

726
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Speaker 11: are rated zero, so they're rock hard. Then you have firm,

727
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Speaker 11: which is a one, and you go right through to heavy,

728
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Speaker 11: which is wet and very very wet, very heavy, and

729
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Speaker 11: that's a king and horse racing. So when we should

730
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Speaker 11: be rating our rugby fields, because when I watched the

731
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Speaker 11: Perth game last night that the Chiefs mall was pretty

732
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Speaker 11: much nullified by the speed of the game. And it

733
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Speaker 11: means that that Perth track is a one rating one

734
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Speaker 11: and horse racing, and so it also determines what spreads

735
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Speaker 11: you're wear. And so I reckon that each field you

736
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Speaker 11: take Auckland at the moment where we had you know,

737
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Speaker 11: one hundred and fifty mills of rain in the last week,

738
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Speaker 11: then that that's going to soften that ground up. And

739
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Speaker 11: so the coaches need to know what are we running

740
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Speaker 11: out onto and I reckon, we need to be smarter

741
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Speaker 11: on the condition of.

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Speaker 4: Each of our fields. It's love. I love the point

743
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Speaker 4: you're making, Stephen. I'm just as you were saying, and

744
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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to think of what the ideal would be.

745
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Speaker 4: What I guess it's different for forwards. Forward's probably quite

746
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Speaker 4: like a six or seven. Your outside backs are probably

747
00:39:30,587 --> 00:39:33,227
Speaker 4: happier on a two or a three, you know. And

748
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Speaker 4: I guess fans too. We've got used to, you know,

749
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Speaker 4: to running rugby and enjoying that, so we'd probably prefer

750
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Speaker 4: a tour or a three as well. But no, it's

751
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Speaker 4: a It's a good point because they are all different,

752
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Speaker 4: aren't they. What about their filled up in low tooker

753
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Speaker 4: where a drawer play the other week? I think it's

754
00:39:46,747 --> 00:39:50,867
Speaker 4: about a thirteen, it was Dare exactly.

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Speaker 11: So the coaches, coach, the visiting coach needs to know that.

756
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Speaker 11: And it's almost it almost changes your game plan from

757
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Speaker 11: what you might have had sitting in the sun here

758
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Speaker 11: in New Zealand. And I reckon that someone needs to

759
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Speaker 11: take well smart coaches possibly are already onto it, but

760
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Speaker 11: don't think they are. I know when I was merging

761
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Speaker 11: Club Rugby, we would just get changed in the changing

762
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Speaker 11: room and run out and yeah look look on money

763
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Speaker 11: it is. Look look how fast it is.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hear you, Stephen know. And often you see it

766
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Speaker 4: with footballers as well and rugby plays. So he's got

767
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Speaker 4: the rog sprigs on, you know, slipping sliding around them,

768
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Speaker 4: but he's got the wrong studs on. It's a good point, Stephen,

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Speaker 4: Thank you, mate, really appreciate it. I'd be happy, he

770
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Speaker 4: says this text with two to two, given the circumstances,

771
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Speaker 4: fresh coach and team to all into the World Cup.

772
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Speaker 4: Going into the World Cup, that would be confidence boosting.

773
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Speaker 4: If we lost three to one, oh sorry, if we

774
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Speaker 4: went three to one, that would be very very big

775
00:40:44,547 --> 00:40:47,387
Speaker 4: going into the Rugby World Cup. If hover above this,

776
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Speaker 4: imagine you're not an All Blacks fan, predict the series

777
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Speaker 4: result without bias. Flick at three to nine, two nine,

778
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Speaker 4: two seven away from one.

779
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Speaker 2: When there's a line call, it's your call.

780
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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News Talks.

781
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Speaker 4: Hevy four to one. How he says four Nills out Africa,

782
00:41:06,867 --> 00:41:09,867
Speaker 4: calm down, Harry, South Africa one, All Blacks one, one

783
00:41:10,027 --> 00:41:12,467
Speaker 4: drawer in the Republic, says Nigel. And the fourth game

784
00:41:12,467 --> 00:41:14,467
Speaker 4: could go either way. Marx Is pinety three. One to

785
00:41:14,547 --> 00:41:17,667
Speaker 4: us would be unimaginably brilliant, but unlikely. Two to two

786
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Speaker 4: I would take any day of the way things are

787
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Speaker 4: at the moment. Three to one loss of bummer, but

788
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Speaker 4: manageable a four nill defeat. I'm switching to the Warriors.

789
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Speaker 4: Nice smug, nice one. Ben Wayne and Ben Old are

790
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Speaker 4: here from the All Whites camp ahead of their game

791
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Speaker 4: against Chili tomorrow night. They're live after one.

792
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Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

793
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Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversasions. It's all on

794
00:41:44,107 --> 00:41:47,987
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your home of Sport

795
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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 4: NB one O seven. Welcome into Weekends Sport. We'll get

797
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Speaker 4: you to the UK this hour to gauge reaction to

798
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Speaker 4: the reappointment of Brendan McCullum as England Test cricket coach.

799
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Speaker 4: I get the feeling it's not universally admired this decision,

800
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Speaker 4: but we'll find out from Tim Wigmore leading cricket journalist

801
00:42:07,867 --> 00:42:10,627
Speaker 4: James mcconey. As always on a Sunday, but the All

802
00:42:10,627 --> 00:42:13,427
Speaker 4: Whites are home for the final time before this year's

803
00:42:13,427 --> 00:42:16,627
Speaker 4: FIFA World Cup. They played Finland on Friday night at

804
00:42:16,787 --> 00:42:19,747
Speaker 4: Eden Park, going down to nil. They're back there tomorrow

805
00:42:19,827 --> 00:42:23,067
Speaker 4: night to face World number fifty five Chili. We're joined

806
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Speaker 4: in studio by All Whites and port Vale's striker Ben

807
00:42:26,707 --> 00:42:30,027
Speaker 4: Wayne and All Whites and Saint Ettie en Winger and

808
00:42:30,067 --> 00:42:33,787
Speaker 4: fallback Ben Old. Now I wouldn't ordinarily do this, but

809
00:42:33,867 --> 00:42:37,547
Speaker 4: because you're both Ben's, I'll call you by your nicknames

810
00:42:37,587 --> 00:42:40,867
Speaker 4: for the most part to avoid any confusion. Wayne, No, Ben, Wayne.

811
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Speaker 4: Can we start with you? Let's start with the two

812
00:42:42,667 --> 00:42:45,587
Speaker 4: nil loss to Finland on Friday night. What is the

813
00:42:45,627 --> 00:42:47,507
Speaker 4: review of that game thrown up?

814
00:42:48,467 --> 00:42:50,827
Speaker 14: Yeah? It's well, it's just as simple as it's not

815
00:42:50,867 --> 00:42:54,267
Speaker 14: good enough. The team we have, we were back to

816
00:42:54,267 --> 00:42:57,427
Speaker 14: ourselves to win that game, and you know, upon pond

817
00:42:57,467 --> 00:42:59,827
Speaker 14: reviewing it, there was just, you know, little things that

818
00:42:59,867 --> 00:43:02,507
Speaker 14: maybe we were slightly off the off the pace, but

819
00:43:02,627 --> 00:43:05,627
Speaker 14: nothing drastic. I think they're just maybe little simple, simple

820
00:43:05,707 --> 00:43:08,547
Speaker 14: changes that we can easily implement in the next game.

821
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Speaker 4: When you've got two games in a window like this,

822
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Speaker 4: OLDI do you spend quite a bit of time on

823
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Speaker 4: the review or is it more looking ahead to what

824
00:43:16,507 --> 00:43:18,227
Speaker 4: lies ahead of you tomorrow night?

825
00:43:18,427 --> 00:43:21,067
Speaker 15: Yeah? It's obviously so tough, especially with this window it

826
00:43:21,187 --> 00:43:23,027
Speaker 15: being so tight, you can do a bit of review,

827
00:43:23,107 --> 00:43:25,067
Speaker 15: but got a game a few days later. It's hard,

828
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Speaker 15: but it's called. It's going to be exactly what the

829
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Speaker 15: World Cup's going to be like. And if we're going

830
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Speaker 15: to lose a game the start, we're going to have

831
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Speaker 15: to react quickly. So I think that's going to be

832
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Speaker 15: a good test for us how we can react after

833
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Speaker 15: a loss.

834
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Speaker 4: We heard from you after the game on Friday night

835
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Speaker 4: and you were trying to unpack and explain what had

836
00:43:40,107 --> 00:43:42,787
Speaker 4: happened in the first half. Has anything come to light

837
00:43:42,867 --> 00:43:44,987
Speaker 4: in the review as to why you were perhaps a

838
00:43:45,027 --> 00:43:46,507
Speaker 4: bit slow to start in that first half.

839
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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's similar to what Weno said, and it was

840
00:43:48,387 --> 00:43:52,227
Speaker 15: an interesting game because there wasn't one tactical problem that

841
00:43:52,667 --> 00:43:55,987
Speaker 15: we could see. As Bayes said it, there was just

842
00:43:55,987 --> 00:43:57,907
Speaker 15: a lot of gray in that game, which is interesting

843
00:43:58,587 --> 00:44:00,947
Speaker 15: in the sense. It's good because it's quick things that

844
00:44:01,027 --> 00:44:03,987
Speaker 15: we can fix. But it's a bit disappointing for us

845
00:44:03,987 --> 00:44:06,027
Speaker 15: because a lot of it was controllable things that we

846
00:44:06,067 --> 00:44:09,067
Speaker 15: could of improved. So I don't think we went our battles.

847
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Speaker 15: I don't think we worked hard enough, and those are

848
00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:13,947
Speaker 15: no amNY things we pride ourselves on. So the good

849
00:44:13,947 --> 00:44:16,427
Speaker 15: thing is it's controllables and we've been able to notice that,

850
00:44:16,507 --> 00:44:18,267
Speaker 15: and I'm sure we're going to be able to have

851
00:44:18,267 --> 00:44:19,307
Speaker 15: a good reaction next game.

852
00:44:19,627 --> 00:44:21,347
Speaker 4: When I one night's like that, How tough is it

853
00:44:21,347 --> 00:44:22,787
Speaker 4: for a striker when you know you're not going to

854
00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:24,267
Speaker 4: get a heck of a lot of chances, you're battling

855
00:44:24,307 --> 00:44:26,427
Speaker 4: away if you're feeding on scraps to a certain extent,

856
00:44:26,467 --> 00:44:27,547
Speaker 4: How tough a night is that for you?

857
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's tough, but weirdly enough, I enjoyed it. It

858
00:44:32,467 --> 00:44:35,267
Speaker 14: was a it was a proper battle, and those are

859
00:44:35,347 --> 00:44:38,467
Speaker 14: kind of things I do thrive off. So obviously the

860
00:44:38,507 --> 00:44:40,667
Speaker 14: result wasn't wasn't good enough, but I did. I did

861
00:44:40,787 --> 00:44:43,347
Speaker 14: enjoy that, and I thought I embraced it. So it

862
00:44:43,467 --> 00:44:45,667
Speaker 14: is tough, but you've got to expect games like that

863
00:44:45,707 --> 00:44:47,347
Speaker 14: as a strike and they're always going to happen.

864
00:44:47,587 --> 00:44:50,387
Speaker 4: How mitivated and driven are you and the team to to,

865
00:44:50,747 --> 00:44:52,787
Speaker 4: you know, come up with a response tomorrow night?

866
00:44:53,387 --> 00:44:56,387
Speaker 14: Extremely Look, I know it's a it's not a full

867
00:44:56,427 --> 00:44:58,947
Speaker 14: tournament group stage where you have the three games and

868
00:44:58,987 --> 00:45:00,747
Speaker 14: stuff like that, but We've got two games and there

869
00:45:00,827 --> 00:45:02,267
Speaker 14: is a trophy on the line at the end of it.

870
00:45:02,347 --> 00:45:07,227
Speaker 14: So for us, it's reaction and to put a result

871
00:45:07,227 --> 00:45:09,507
Speaker 14: in and put ourselves up on the top end of

872
00:45:09,587 --> 00:45:10,027
Speaker 14: the table.

873
00:45:10,307 --> 00:45:13,347
Speaker 4: Odie, how different a challenge do you expect from Chile

874
00:45:13,627 --> 00:45:15,347
Speaker 4: compared to Finland on Friday night?

875
00:45:15,827 --> 00:45:17,907
Speaker 15: It's going to be a massive challenge for us. It's

876
00:45:17,947 --> 00:45:20,387
Speaker 15: amazing that we've been able to play such strong opponents

877
00:45:20,387 --> 00:45:23,787
Speaker 15: in these windows, and well we could see that maybe

878
00:45:23,787 --> 00:45:25,867
Speaker 15: we're a bit naive going into the last game and

879
00:45:25,987 --> 00:45:28,027
Speaker 15: we have to be at our best against all these teams.

880
00:45:28,107 --> 00:45:30,587
Speaker 15: So Chili, You're going to bring new challenges and we're

881
00:45:30,587 --> 00:45:31,907
Speaker 15: going to have to deal with those, but we know

882
00:45:31,947 --> 00:45:33,907
Speaker 15: that we're going to have to be at our best

883
00:45:33,947 --> 00:45:34,947
Speaker 15: to have a chance against them.

884
00:45:35,307 --> 00:45:39,347
Speaker 4: Who inside this team drives the standards? Are there one

885
00:45:39,427 --> 00:45:41,427
Speaker 4: or two individuals? I mean, I know you're missing a

886
00:45:41,427 --> 00:45:43,747
Speaker 4: couple of senior players Chris Board, Michael Box or not here.

887
00:45:44,307 --> 00:45:47,027
Speaker 4: Is there anybody in particular who's driving the internal standards

888
00:45:47,027 --> 00:45:47,787
Speaker 4: in the playing group?

889
00:45:48,987 --> 00:45:51,227
Speaker 15: Those two names you mentioned before, there are definitely big,

890
00:45:51,467 --> 00:45:53,307
Speaker 15: big names in this team and that they do help

891
00:45:53,347 --> 00:45:55,747
Speaker 15: a lot. So we are missing them for sure. I

892
00:45:55,747 --> 00:45:57,387
Speaker 15: think what's good about this team is we do have

893
00:45:57,427 --> 00:45:59,707
Speaker 15: a lot of people driveing in different ways. We've got

894
00:45:59,707 --> 00:46:02,627
Speaker 15: a very young team, so that does provide some real

895
00:46:02,667 --> 00:46:05,147
Speaker 15: good opportunities. But I think a really good thing, and

896
00:46:05,187 --> 00:46:07,667
Speaker 15: we had it where they'll discuss after the game, is

897
00:46:07,707 --> 00:46:09,907
Speaker 15: that everyone has a voice and they're able to speak,

898
00:46:10,427 --> 00:46:12,067
Speaker 15: and we do all bring our own insights. So I

899
00:46:12,107 --> 00:46:15,067
Speaker 15: think that's a really good part of this team. We

900
00:46:15,227 --> 00:46:17,747
Speaker 15: just have to have the confidence as young young players

901
00:46:17,787 --> 00:46:18,947
Speaker 15: to be able to express that.

902
00:46:19,787 --> 00:46:22,587
Speaker 4: So we're not that far away from the World Cup.

903
00:46:22,627 --> 00:46:25,547
Speaker 4: It's it's creeping closer by the day when you when

904
00:46:25,547 --> 00:46:27,147
Speaker 4: you get inside the All Whites camp now and it

905
00:46:27,147 --> 00:46:30,187
Speaker 4: doesn't happen that often, But does it feel real? Does

906
00:46:30,187 --> 00:46:32,547
Speaker 4: it feel like, hey, this this big event in all

907
00:46:32,587 --> 00:46:34,387
Speaker 4: of our lives is just over the horizon.

908
00:46:35,227 --> 00:46:35,747
Speaker 3: Probably not.

909
00:46:36,067 --> 00:46:37,947
Speaker 14: I mean, I know, we come into camp and we

910
00:46:37,987 --> 00:46:40,227
Speaker 14: talk about it and we go right, we've got we've

911
00:46:40,227 --> 00:46:42,267
Speaker 14: got this many training sessions left, We've got this many

912
00:46:42,267 --> 00:46:45,107
Speaker 14: games left until until the real thing. But I think

913
00:46:45,227 --> 00:46:47,507
Speaker 14: it's not going to fully sink in until until you

914
00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:50,827
Speaker 14: go into that and into that bubble. And I mean,

915
00:46:50,827 --> 00:46:53,627
Speaker 14: I think it's probably hard to replicate that feeling. So

916
00:46:54,147 --> 00:46:57,387
Speaker 14: it's it's nice to know it's closed, but for me

917
00:46:57,507 --> 00:46:59,827
Speaker 14: it's it's not going to sink in until you know

918
00:46:59,947 --> 00:47:00,907
Speaker 14: you earn your spot.

919
00:47:01,387 --> 00:47:04,627
Speaker 4: Just want to actually both about what's happening at club

920
00:47:04,707 --> 00:47:07,507
Speaker 4: level for you both. It's been a really good few months.

921
00:47:07,707 --> 00:47:10,587
Speaker 4: When I can, I start with you and the headlines

922
00:47:10,587 --> 00:47:12,947
Speaker 4: for winning goals and f A Cap ties against Bristol

923
00:47:13,027 --> 00:47:16,267
Speaker 4: City and then against the Premier League side Sunderland. How

924
00:47:16,347 --> 00:47:17,547
Speaker 4: special of those moments.

925
00:47:17,667 --> 00:47:22,307
Speaker 14: Yeah, they're they're super special. I've probably said it too

926
00:47:22,307 --> 00:47:24,587
Speaker 14: many times now. But as a as a team, it's

927
00:47:24,587 --> 00:47:26,987
Speaker 14: been a it's been a tough old season for us.

928
00:47:27,947 --> 00:47:29,987
Speaker 14: We haven't really picked up too much form in the

929
00:47:30,067 --> 00:47:35,187
Speaker 14: league and it's it's in those moments. It's tough for everyone, players, staff, fans,

930
00:47:35,707 --> 00:47:38,507
Speaker 14: family members as well. That you know that on that

931
00:47:38,587 --> 00:47:40,987
Speaker 14: journey with you. So those moments that have come in

932
00:47:41,027 --> 00:47:43,107
Speaker 14: the f A Cup have been been massive for a

933
00:47:43,587 --> 00:47:45,667
Speaker 14: bit of a confidence boost for everyone, but also just

934
00:47:45,827 --> 00:47:48,587
Speaker 14: from an enjoyment level for the fans and a and

935
00:47:48,627 --> 00:47:50,067
Speaker 14: a bit of a reward for them for you know,

936
00:47:50,147 --> 00:47:54,107
Speaker 14: sticking sticking with us through what's been a bit of

937
00:47:54,147 --> 00:47:57,627
Speaker 14: a turbulent time, But yeah, it's a it's amazing and

938
00:47:57,907 --> 00:48:01,027
Speaker 14: the Sunderland obviously for for my family as well, it's

939
00:48:01,027 --> 00:48:03,787
Speaker 14: a I was a super special one and uh, I

940
00:48:03,827 --> 00:48:06,667
Speaker 14: think the cousins and uh really enjoyed that one.

941
00:48:06,747 --> 00:48:08,707
Speaker 4: Yeah, as Newcastle fans, I'm sure they did. And a

942
00:48:08,747 --> 00:48:14,267
Speaker 4: week from today you'll play Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in

943
00:48:14,307 --> 00:48:17,507
Speaker 4: an FA Cup quarter final. Even saying these words, I remember,

944
00:48:17,747 --> 00:48:19,867
Speaker 4: you know when you were coming through the you know,

945
00:48:20,187 --> 00:48:22,387
Speaker 4: coming through the Wellington Phoenix side. You know, is that

946
00:48:22,467 --> 00:48:24,187
Speaker 4: the biggest game of your life? An if A Cup

947
00:48:24,227 --> 00:48:26,307
Speaker 4: quarter final against Chelsea.

948
00:48:26,387 --> 00:48:29,107
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's going to be. That's going to be right

949
00:48:29,187 --> 00:48:32,827
Speaker 14: up there. I mean obviously full full focuses first and

950
00:48:32,867 --> 00:48:36,787
Speaker 14: foremost on on Chile. So yeah, that's that's where my

951
00:48:36,827 --> 00:48:38,907
Speaker 14: mind is right now. But I think as soon as

952
00:48:38,907 --> 00:48:41,627
Speaker 14: that game's done, it's going to be yeah, onto that

953
00:48:41,667 --> 00:48:44,067
Speaker 14: and it's and it's it's exciting to look forward to.

954
00:48:44,347 --> 00:48:47,987
Speaker 14: It's a massive opportunity for everyone and something we've we've

955
00:48:48,027 --> 00:48:51,067
Speaker 14: earned as a team for slogging it through the FA Cup.

956
00:48:51,187 --> 00:48:53,667
Speaker 14: So yeah, I think we'll be really really looking forward

957
00:48:53,707 --> 00:48:53,987
Speaker 14: to that.

958
00:48:54,107 --> 00:48:57,107
Speaker 4: I bet, I bet, and older you're at Saint Etian France,

959
00:48:57,227 --> 00:48:59,707
Speaker 4: and around Christmas time or just before, there was talk

960
00:48:59,747 --> 00:49:01,947
Speaker 4: that you might be looking to go out on loan somewhere,

961
00:49:01,987 --> 00:49:03,507
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, you're into the team

962
00:49:03,547 --> 00:49:05,707
Speaker 4: at left back and you're playing ninety minutes every week.

963
00:49:05,747 --> 00:49:08,347
Speaker 4: What a I'm It's amazing how things can turn right.

964
00:49:08,547 --> 00:49:10,347
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is what everyone says with football, it can

965
00:49:10,427 --> 00:49:13,227
Speaker 15: change so quickly. But this is far from what I

966
00:49:13,267 --> 00:49:17,067
Speaker 15: expected for myself, obviously, going through two potential loan moves,

967
00:49:17,547 --> 00:49:19,787
Speaker 15: and then a couple of games before the loan where

968
00:49:19,827 --> 00:49:22,907
Speaker 15: I was getting ready to head off, had an injury,

969
00:49:22,987 --> 00:49:26,827
Speaker 15: left back performed well and then everything kind of went

970
00:49:26,867 --> 00:49:29,827
Speaker 15: on from there. I've been starting playing ninety minutes. Change

971
00:49:29,907 --> 00:49:32,307
Speaker 15: coach and he seems to like me even more in

972
00:49:32,307 --> 00:49:34,987
Speaker 15: that position. So it's been a rollercoaster. I've experienced a

973
00:49:34,987 --> 00:49:37,787
Speaker 15: full kind of European football in the last two years.

974
00:49:37,787 --> 00:49:40,387
Speaker 15: Have been there, but really enjoying it. Right now, the

975
00:49:40,427 --> 00:49:43,307
Speaker 15: team's doing well and we're just pushing for promotion.

976
00:49:43,507 --> 00:49:46,307
Speaker 4: Yeah, Santidian relegated last year, but your top two with

977
00:49:46,427 --> 00:49:48,867
Speaker 4: eight games to go, I think looking good for promotion.

978
00:49:49,027 --> 00:49:52,147
Speaker 4: Back up, How desperate does everybody get? This very famous

979
00:49:52,147 --> 00:49:55,267
Speaker 4: French club to bounce back up to leg if I've

980
00:49:55,267 --> 00:49:55,787
Speaker 4: got that right.

981
00:49:56,107 --> 00:49:59,267
Speaker 15: Yeah, it was very difficult going through the relegation last

982
00:49:59,307 --> 00:50:01,947
Speaker 15: season because say Seems have got such a rich history,

983
00:50:02,027 --> 00:50:04,507
Speaker 15: such a big club, The supporters are amazing and we

984
00:50:04,627 --> 00:50:08,187
Speaker 15: got taken over over bun Y ownership recently, so it

985
00:50:08,227 --> 00:50:12,387
Speaker 15: was really tough getting relegated. But we've got high expectations

986
00:50:12,427 --> 00:50:14,747
Speaker 15: for this season and unfortunately we weren't even reaching that

987
00:50:14,867 --> 00:50:17,187
Speaker 15: halfway through the season. We fell into sixth place when

988
00:50:17,227 --> 00:50:20,507
Speaker 15: we changed coach, but the team's got a new energy.

989
00:50:20,587 --> 00:50:25,107
Speaker 15: Were seven games on beas and six wins back into

990
00:50:25,107 --> 00:50:28,307
Speaker 15: second so it's still very very close and a lot

991
00:50:28,347 --> 00:50:31,267
Speaker 15: to play for, but definitely pushing for promotion and if

992
00:50:31,267 --> 00:50:32,947
Speaker 15: we're able to win the title as well, that would

993
00:50:33,307 --> 00:50:35,387
Speaker 15: be amazed, but we need to be back in Leagan

994
00:50:35,467 --> 00:50:35,907
Speaker 15: for sure.

995
00:50:36,467 --> 00:50:39,947
Speaker 4: Do you find that teams in the second tier treat

996
00:50:39,947 --> 00:50:42,267
Speaker 4: games against Saint Eddie and his Cup finals pretty much

997
00:50:42,267 --> 00:50:45,547
Speaker 4: massive club? You know? Do you find as like every

998
00:50:45,627 --> 00:50:47,147
Speaker 4: other team lifts their game when they play you.

999
00:50:47,387 --> 00:50:50,667
Speaker 15: Yeah, that was the biggest shock for us players because

1000
00:50:50,907 --> 00:50:55,187
Speaker 15: going from Legan down to League Doer, it's a big difference,

1001
00:50:55,227 --> 00:50:56,787
Speaker 15: and I think we're a bit naive at the start

1002
00:50:56,787 --> 00:50:58,707
Speaker 15: of the season, thinking we've got the best players, the

1003
00:50:59,347 --> 00:51:02,107
Speaker 15: biggest team, we should win games. And very quick quickly

1004
00:51:02,147 --> 00:51:05,067
Speaker 15: we saw teams were performing at their best, working their

1005
00:51:05,067 --> 00:51:08,547
Speaker 15: hardest against us because they come to our stadium, it's

1006
00:51:08,587 --> 00:51:11,267
Speaker 15: packed out, thirty five thousand. This is a game of

1007
00:51:11,307 --> 00:51:13,467
Speaker 15: a lot of their lives, so they're all performing at

1008
00:51:13,467 --> 00:51:15,907
Speaker 15: their best against us, and we weren't doing the basics

1009
00:51:15,947 --> 00:51:19,387
Speaker 15: that required us to win. But we've gone through that,

1010
00:51:19,547 --> 00:51:21,747
Speaker 15: learned a lot from it, and now we're bringing out

1011
00:51:21,747 --> 00:51:24,067
Speaker 15: the quality with the hard work and I think the

1012
00:51:24,107 --> 00:51:26,467
Speaker 15: team's in the best place it's ever been, so that's

1013
00:51:26,507 --> 00:51:26,947
Speaker 15: really good.

1014
00:51:27,227 --> 00:51:29,867
Speaker 4: I just want to look back a few years. I've

1015
00:51:29,907 --> 00:51:32,987
Speaker 4: met you both when you were Wellington Phoenix teenagers. It

1016
00:51:33,027 --> 00:51:35,867
Speaker 4: seems an awfully long time ago. It wasn't really that

1017
00:51:35,947 --> 00:51:39,587
Speaker 4: long ago, and what you've achieved, you know, since leaving

1018
00:51:39,587 --> 00:51:43,387
Speaker 4: the club's outstanding. But I think three seasons together at

1019
00:51:43,427 --> 00:51:46,667
Speaker 4: Wellington Phoenix and four or five each at the club

1020
00:51:46,987 --> 00:51:49,707
Speaker 4: wayna Ham fondly. Do you remember your days in the

1021
00:51:49,747 --> 00:51:50,187
Speaker 4: A League?

1022
00:51:50,747 --> 00:51:51,107
Speaker 10: Ah?

1023
00:51:51,587 --> 00:51:53,827
Speaker 14: I always look back on them, and I think we

1024
00:51:53,867 --> 00:51:56,987
Speaker 14: talk about its most chances we get and we reflect on,

1025
00:51:57,867 --> 00:52:00,547
Speaker 14: you know, those seasons, especially during COVID where that was

1026
00:52:00,587 --> 00:52:04,027
Speaker 14: where we really played and pretty much pretty much lived

1027
00:52:04,027 --> 00:52:06,907
Speaker 14: together as well in Aussie for a year or two.

1028
00:52:06,947 --> 00:52:10,467
Speaker 14: And yeah, we always we always look back and I

1029
00:52:10,467 --> 00:52:12,947
Speaker 14: think we maybe maybe probably took it for grants a

1030
00:52:12,987 --> 00:52:14,587
Speaker 14: little bit as well. I mean, when you when you

1031
00:52:14,627 --> 00:52:16,587
Speaker 14: move over to the other side of the world, you're

1032
00:52:16,587 --> 00:52:18,547
Speaker 14: not playing, you're not playing with mates. Like we're very

1033
00:52:18,627 --> 00:52:21,627
Speaker 14: lucky to come up and come up through the Academy

1034
00:52:21,627 --> 00:52:25,987
Speaker 14: and break into the Academy. You know, Oldie ap Sutz

1035
00:52:26,267 --> 00:52:28,627
Speaker 14: and I'm probably missing some names as well, But to

1036
00:52:29,187 --> 00:52:31,107
Speaker 14: do that, you're you're playing with your mates that you've

1037
00:52:31,147 --> 00:52:34,027
Speaker 14: grown up with. So it's for me it was a

1038
00:52:34,147 --> 00:52:36,587
Speaker 14: very special time and we do talk about it quite

1039
00:52:36,587 --> 00:52:36,867
Speaker 14: a lot.

1040
00:52:37,027 --> 00:52:39,227
Speaker 4: And OLDI for you, how important were those formative years

1041
00:52:39,227 --> 00:52:41,147
Speaker 4: for you? I remember watching you playing the Academy. You

1042
00:52:41,187 --> 00:52:44,147
Speaker 4: must have been about thirteen. I don't know how important

1043
00:52:44,147 --> 00:52:45,187
Speaker 4: were those formative years.

1044
00:52:45,067 --> 00:52:46,067
Speaker 7: For you massively.

1045
00:52:46,107 --> 00:52:49,187
Speaker 15: I've always talked really fondly about coming through the A

1046
00:52:49,267 --> 00:52:51,867
Speaker 15: League and going through the europe But obviously it's people

1047
00:52:51,907 --> 00:52:54,587
Speaker 15: look at us coming from New Zealand and it's quite difficult.

1048
00:52:54,587 --> 00:52:58,427
Speaker 15: We're separated from Europe. All these players we're playing against

1049
00:52:58,467 --> 00:53:01,787
Speaker 15: now have gone through through England and whatsoever. But there's

1050
00:53:01,787 --> 00:53:04,067
Speaker 15: a lot to learn from going through the A League.

1051
00:53:04,107 --> 00:53:06,827
Speaker 15: You get to play with really good quality plays and

1052
00:53:06,867 --> 00:53:10,107
Speaker 15: men's first team from a very young age. So I

1053
00:53:10,147 --> 00:53:11,507
Speaker 15: think for us to be able to get that at

1054
00:53:11,547 --> 00:53:12,987
Speaker 15: such a young age and get a lot of game

1055
00:53:13,027 --> 00:53:15,867
Speaker 15: time before coming over to Europe, I think it's been

1056
00:53:15,907 --> 00:53:19,427
Speaker 15: able to get qualities in my game that maybe it

1057
00:53:19,467 --> 00:53:21,467
Speaker 15: wouldn't happen if I was going through the ranks maybe

1058
00:53:21,507 --> 00:53:24,427
Speaker 15: somewhere else. So I've learned so much from playing there.

1059
00:53:24,427 --> 00:53:27,987
Speaker 15: I've played with some amazing players, players that have had

1060
00:53:28,027 --> 00:53:30,427
Speaker 15: amazing careers. So got a lot to thank for the

1061
00:53:30,427 --> 00:53:31,987
Speaker 15: A League and Wellington Phoenix for that.

1062
00:53:32,227 --> 00:53:34,907
Speaker 4: All right, let's finish with a look briefly head to

1063
00:53:34,907 --> 00:53:37,147
Speaker 4: the World Cup, oldie. How much belief is there in

1064
00:53:37,187 --> 00:53:39,747
Speaker 4: this group that you know, you can do something special

1065
00:53:39,787 --> 00:53:42,227
Speaker 4: at this World Cup, do something that no New Zealand

1066
00:53:42,227 --> 00:53:44,867
Speaker 4: side's done before, get out of the group, win a game,

1067
00:53:44,947 --> 00:53:45,827
Speaker 4: those sorts of things.

1068
00:53:46,067 --> 00:53:48,387
Speaker 15: Yeah, we've got very high expectations for ourselves and I

1069
00:53:48,427 --> 00:53:51,187
Speaker 15: think that's just in their mindset. That course, it's a

1070
00:53:51,227 --> 00:53:53,747
Speaker 15: privilege to go play at a World Cup, but we're

1071
00:53:53,747 --> 00:53:55,867
Speaker 15: not just going there for the event whatsoever. We're going

1072
00:53:55,907 --> 00:53:59,707
Speaker 15: there to create history for the country, inspire the next generation.

1073
00:53:59,947 --> 00:54:02,267
Speaker 15: So we're going there to win games and get out

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Speaker 15: of the group for sure. So we've got high expectations

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00:54:04,187 --> 00:54:06,307
Speaker 15: for the team and I think we can definitely hit them.

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00:54:06,787 --> 00:54:09,147
Speaker 4: Presume you echo those sentiments when.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, absolutely, the group we have a special group and

1078
00:54:14,547 --> 00:54:16,627
Speaker 14: we've got some really really good players and we do

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00:54:16,707 --> 00:54:18,587
Speaker 14: have a really good team and that's kind of been

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00:54:18,627 --> 00:54:21,907
Speaker 14: you know, echoed through post World Cup squads as well.

1081
00:54:22,027 --> 00:54:24,467
Speaker 14: You know, we've had the privilege of them being in

1082
00:54:24,507 --> 00:54:27,267
Speaker 14: and around the team where they can over the last

1083
00:54:27,427 --> 00:54:29,987
Speaker 14: the last cycle and it's the same message. You know

1084
00:54:30,027 --> 00:54:32,867
Speaker 14: this this team has a lot more potential than past

1085
00:54:32,907 --> 00:54:35,067
Speaker 14: squads and we've got a lot of players playing overseas

1086
00:54:35,067 --> 00:54:39,107
Speaker 14: at a good level. But we now need to match

1087
00:54:39,107 --> 00:54:42,547
Speaker 14: and try and do better than those those previous World

1088
00:54:42,587 --> 00:54:45,267
Speaker 14: Cup squads and we believe in ourselves to do that.

1089
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Speaker 4: So yeah, very exciting times ahead for fans of the

1090
00:54:48,787 --> 00:54:51,227
Speaker 4: All Whites, for you both personally, for club and country.

1091
00:54:51,627 --> 00:54:53,667
Speaker 4: Busy old time. Appreciate you popping in all the Beast

1092
00:54:53,667 --> 00:54:56,347
Speaker 4: against Chili. Tomorrow night and for the next few very

1093
00:54:56,387 --> 00:54:59,227
Speaker 4: exciting months. I hope they hope they hold everything that

1094
00:54:59,267 --> 00:55:02,307
Speaker 4: you that you hope that they will thank you, thank you,

1095
00:55:02,347 --> 00:55:06,067
Speaker 4: Thanks guys. That's been Old and Ben Wayne from the

1096
00:55:06,147 --> 00:55:09,787
Speaker 4: all White's former teammates at Wellington Phoenix, the current teammates

1097
00:55:10,187 --> 00:55:12,387
Speaker 4: in the New Zealand squad and they take on as

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Speaker 4: I say, Chile tomorrow night, seven point fifteen at Eden Park.

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Speaker 4: As I understand it, the two bays at Eden Park

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Speaker 4: which have been assigned to the Chilean fans are completely

1101
00:55:23,747 --> 00:55:27,027
Speaker 4: sold out, so Berg Chile and contingent coming to the

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Speaker 4: game tomorrow night. They played against Cupo ver day, is

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Speaker 4: that how I say at Cape Verd I'm not exactly

1104
00:55:32,587 --> 00:55:35,867
Speaker 4: sure of the pronunciation. My apologies. On Friday and there

1105
00:55:35,907 --> 00:55:38,507
Speaker 4: was huge support for both teams actually, but for the

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00:55:38,587 --> 00:55:41,827
Speaker 4: Chilean fans. They're not even going to the World Cup Chile,

1107
00:55:42,267 --> 00:55:44,267
Speaker 4: and yet they had huge numbers there, a lot of carlor,

1108
00:55:44,267 --> 00:55:47,507
Speaker 4: a lot of chanting. It was awesome. So hopefully and

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00:55:47,547 --> 00:55:51,107
Speaker 4: I think the New Zealand Finland game seventeen thousand plus

1110
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Speaker 4: at that on Friday night. I hope for similar numbers

1111
00:55:53,307 --> 00:55:56,107
Speaker 4: there tomorrow night, as they take on the Chile and

1112
00:55:56,147 --> 00:55:59,907
Speaker 4: someone's asked about Francis Devrees. What's the latest on Francis

1113
00:55:59,907 --> 00:56:03,907
Speaker 4: Devrees who went off with a calf injury on Friday night.

1114
00:56:04,027 --> 00:56:07,227
Speaker 4: Assistant coach Simon Elliott has been up for media today.

1115
00:56:07,227 --> 00:56:08,867
Speaker 4: You might have heard this on the one o'clock news,

1116
00:56:09,147 --> 00:56:11,387
Speaker 4: but this is what he said about Francis Devrees.

1117
00:56:11,547 --> 00:56:13,107
Speaker 6: He's doing okay, but I don't think he's going to

1118
00:56:13,107 --> 00:56:14,787
Speaker 6: be ready for tomorrow, so we'll get him in, get

1119
00:56:14,827 --> 00:56:17,187
Speaker 6: us scan. Hopefully he recovers quickly and it will be

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Speaker 6: available for Auckland as and as possible.

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00:56:19,027 --> 00:56:21,067
Speaker 4: There you go. So that's the news there. So Francis

1122
00:56:21,067 --> 00:56:24,267
Speaker 4: Devrees won't play tomorrow night. Auckland FC's next game is

1123
00:56:24,267 --> 00:56:28,267
Speaker 4: this coming Friday away at Adelaide. Francis Devrees has started

1124
00:56:28,347 --> 00:56:31,507
Speaker 4: every single game in the history of Auckland FC, all

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Speaker 4: of them, every single one. I don't even know who

1126
00:56:34,027 --> 00:56:37,027
Speaker 4: the backup left back is for that team, so they'll

1127
00:56:37,027 --> 00:56:39,147
Speaker 4: be keeping their fingers crossed that he is all good

1128
00:56:39,147 --> 00:56:41,667
Speaker 4: to go to travel to Adelaide and hopefully to play

1129
00:56:41,667 --> 00:56:45,067
Speaker 4: a part on Friday night one twenty two, take a break,

1130
00:56:45,107 --> 00:56:48,187
Speaker 4: come back and head to the UK Brendon McCallum, our

1131
00:56:48,307 --> 00:56:52,867
Speaker 4: very own has been confirmed as continuing as head coach

1132
00:56:52,947 --> 00:56:55,547
Speaker 4: of the England cricket team despite what happened in the Ashes.

1133
00:56:55,907 --> 00:56:59,667
Speaker 4: How has this been greeted by England cricket fans? Tim Wigmore,

1134
00:56:59,747 --> 00:57:01,707
Speaker 4: leading cricket journalists with us right after this.

1135
00:57:01,987 --> 00:57:05,987
Speaker 1: On weekend Sport from Grassroots to the grand Stand weekend

1136
00:57:06,027 --> 00:57:10,587
Speaker 1: support with Jason Fine and GJ. Gudnomes, New Zealand's most

1137
00:57:10,587 --> 00:57:12,027
Speaker 1: trusted home builder.

1138
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Speaker 4: News talks that'd be one twenty five. England have opted

1139
00:57:14,787 --> 00:57:17,947
Speaker 4: to retain former New Zealand captain Brendan McCullum as their

1140
00:57:17,987 --> 00:57:21,667
Speaker 4: test cricket coach despite a four to one Ashes defeat

1141
00:57:21,747 --> 00:57:25,227
Speaker 4: and growing debate around the direction of the team. To

1142
00:57:25,267 --> 00:57:28,547
Speaker 4: break down the reasoning behind keeping Brendan McCullum and the

1143
00:57:28,627 --> 00:57:31,027
Speaker 4: job and what it means for England cricket going forward,

1144
00:57:31,347 --> 00:57:34,307
Speaker 4: we're joined now by best selling author and cricket writer

1145
00:57:34,427 --> 00:57:37,707
Speaker 4: with The Telegraph, Tim Wigmore. Tim, thanks for joining us.

1146
00:57:37,707 --> 00:57:41,867
Speaker 4: You've written a piece entitled Case for the Defense How

1147
00:57:41,907 --> 00:57:46,587
Speaker 4: Brendan McCullum can reinvigorate England and it opens by calling

1148
00:57:46,587 --> 00:57:51,467
Speaker 4: Brendan McCullum perhaps the luckiest man in English cricket. Can

1149
00:57:51,507 --> 00:57:54,867
Speaker 4: you start perhaps by expanding on that for us.

1150
00:57:55,227 --> 00:57:56,107
Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks for having me.

1151
00:57:56,187 --> 00:57:59,387
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think I mean the first kind of the

1152
00:57:59,427 --> 00:58:02,947
Speaker 16: biggest reason that McCollum has stayed, like being pragmatic and

1153
00:58:02,987 --> 00:58:06,307
Speaker 16: honest is money. Basically, he's on a million pounds a year,

1154
00:58:06,547 --> 00:58:08,547
Speaker 16: which is just over a million, we understand, which is

1155
00:58:08,547 --> 00:58:10,867
Speaker 16: obviously a lot. And then you add obviously his his

1156
00:58:10,947 --> 00:58:14,227
Speaker 16: sort of coaching staff and the team, and then you

1157
00:58:14,307 --> 00:58:17,227
Speaker 16: have Okay, would we actually get anyone better? And I

1158
00:58:17,227 --> 00:58:20,187
Speaker 16: think I think there's an argument that actually maybe yeah,

1159
00:58:20,547 --> 00:58:23,347
Speaker 16: ingand probably probably shouldn't have given him the keys to

1160
00:58:23,427 --> 00:58:25,707
Speaker 16: the whole castle, I being in charge of all three

1161
00:58:25,747 --> 00:58:27,707
Speaker 16: teams rather than just the test team as he started.

1162
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Speaker 8: But having done that, actually that was one mistake.

1163
00:58:30,387 --> 00:58:31,787
Speaker 16: It could still be a different mistake to get rid

1164
00:58:31,787 --> 00:58:34,987
Speaker 16: of him now without guarantees of getting a better man.

1165
00:58:34,627 --> 00:58:37,387
Speaker 16: And you know that money maybe could be better spent

1166
00:58:37,427 --> 00:58:39,747
Speaker 16: else elsewhere. And that's the kind of pragmatic case I

1167
00:58:39,787 --> 00:58:43,027
Speaker 16: mean in terms of and the reality as well is

1168
00:58:43,027 --> 00:58:45,067
Speaker 16: you need to be paying to get.

1169
00:58:44,867 --> 00:58:46,027
Speaker 8: A top notch other coach.

1170
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Speaker 16: You need to be probably kind of find a way

1171
00:58:49,307 --> 00:58:53,267
Speaker 16: to match ipl salaries or or give your lap let

1172
00:58:53,307 --> 00:58:54,707
Speaker 16: someone coaching the OPL as well, so that would be

1173
00:58:54,707 --> 00:58:56,547
Speaker 16: difficult way. Andy Flowers, a guy who has talked about

1174
00:58:56,547 --> 00:58:59,027
Speaker 16: who was in and coach Beforred did very well, so

1175
00:58:59,067 --> 00:59:00,947
Speaker 16: that that is probably that that's where you have to

1176
00:59:00,947 --> 00:59:02,667
Speaker 16: start with the reason for why mccondum is still in

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00:59:02,987 --> 00:59:03,467
Speaker 16: his position.

1178
00:59:03,667 --> 00:59:07,267
Speaker 4: So this is a financial, pragmatic decisonion rather than a

1179
00:59:07,267 --> 00:59:09,187
Speaker 4: cricketing decision.

1180
00:59:09,747 --> 00:59:11,707
Speaker 16: So that the fighters are a big part of it,

1181
00:59:11,747 --> 00:59:13,427
Speaker 16: but it's not the only part of it. I'd say

1182
00:59:14,107 --> 00:59:17,107
Speaker 16: if you kind of look at mcarmeningen, so he's won

1183
00:59:17,187 --> 00:59:20,747
Speaker 16: twenty six tests, lost eighteen. They did pretty well in

1184
00:59:20,787 --> 00:59:22,667
Speaker 16: the two twenty World Cup, got to the Semis. They

1185
00:59:22,667 --> 00:59:25,307
Speaker 16: were not incredible, but they've they we very okay. You know,

1186
00:59:25,787 --> 00:59:27,627
Speaker 16: it's a better record than had in the previous four

1187
00:59:27,667 --> 00:59:29,947
Speaker 16: year cycle when they were one twenty two, lost twenty,

1188
00:59:30,147 --> 00:59:32,507
Speaker 16: So he's he has done better than they had done before.

1189
00:59:32,627 --> 00:59:36,107
Speaker 16: Albeit that kind of graph has been taking downwards clearly

1190
00:59:36,227 --> 00:59:38,427
Speaker 16: over the last couple of years, actually since twenty twenty

1191
00:59:38,427 --> 00:59:41,467
Speaker 16: four when they lost four in India, which obviously is

1192
00:59:41,867 --> 00:59:43,827
Speaker 16: Keebi's World three non India that same year, So that

1193
00:59:43,867 --> 00:59:46,147
Speaker 16: does actually show that result, everyone's like everyone loses India,

1194
00:59:46,187 --> 00:59:47,307
Speaker 16: but maybe they don't anymore.

1195
00:59:48,227 --> 00:59:50,307
Speaker 8: So the last last few years have been has been

1196
00:59:50,347 --> 00:59:51,347
Speaker 8: pretty it's.

1197
00:59:51,227 --> 00:59:55,747
Speaker 16: Been underwhelming, but there were kind of in the World

1198
00:59:55,787 --> 00:59:57,747
Speaker 16: Cup two twenty World Cup there were signs of change.

1199
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Speaker 16: Eng actually had a fielding coach for the which they

1200
00:59:59,707 --> 01:00:02,507
Speaker 16: hadn't had before revolutionary step I know, but it kind

1201
01:00:02,507 --> 01:00:06,267
Speaker 16: of worked. They fielded better, and I think now they

1202
01:00:06,507 --> 01:00:10,787
Speaker 16: going to Basically before the setup has been about really

1203
01:00:10,867 --> 01:00:13,667
Speaker 16: everyone has sort of been on the same page completely

1204
01:00:13,707 --> 01:00:15,587
Speaker 16: as McCallum, and I think there has been kind of

1205
01:00:15,627 --> 01:00:18,467
Speaker 16: a group thin if you like where everyone has been.

1206
01:00:18,867 --> 01:00:20,987
Speaker 16: There's not really been a challenging decision in sort of

1207
01:00:20,987 --> 01:00:22,947
Speaker 16: dissenting voices and stuff. Now there's going to be a

1208
01:00:23,027 --> 01:00:25,787
Speaker 16: new selector who's going to be I think, quite a

1209
01:00:25,827 --> 01:00:30,067
Speaker 16: prominent figure and a kind of independent thigure crucially, and

1210
01:00:30,187 --> 01:00:33,267
Speaker 16: as I'd sort of argued that that new selector needs

1211
01:00:33,347 --> 01:00:36,467
Speaker 16: to be there, not like actually it needs to he

1212
01:00:36,467 --> 01:00:38,707
Speaker 16: needs to be there because he'll challenge McCallum and say,

1213
01:00:38,947 --> 01:00:41,427
Speaker 16: you know, maybe Zacrory shouldn't have been or whatever, and so

1214
01:00:41,667 --> 01:00:42,267
Speaker 16: you don't.

1215
01:00:42,147 --> 01:00:43,307
Speaker 8: Have the sort of default.

1216
01:00:43,587 --> 01:00:45,867
Speaker 16: I think I think that the issue is, like McCollum

1217
01:00:45,907 --> 01:00:48,227
Speaker 16: actually has I don't think he should change really because

1218
01:00:48,907 --> 01:00:50,627
Speaker 16: he is what he is and he's actually very good

1219
01:00:50,627 --> 01:00:54,347
Speaker 16: at certain aspects in terms of the relaxing vibe and

1220
01:00:54,347 --> 01:00:57,267
Speaker 16: the culture and everything. But the issue is there's not

1221
01:00:57,307 --> 01:00:59,907
Speaker 16: really been people focusing on the other stranger this sort

1222
01:00:59,907 --> 01:01:02,347
Speaker 16: of attention to detail the playing war is apt to

1223
01:01:02,427 --> 01:01:02,867
Speaker 16: be and stuff.

1224
01:01:02,947 --> 01:01:04,307
Speaker 8: So you know, I would say, if.

1225
01:01:04,267 --> 01:01:05,947
Speaker 16: You can keep McCallum to focus on what because he's

1226
01:01:05,947 --> 01:01:07,907
Speaker 16: never going to be the guy who goes to four

1227
01:01:07,987 --> 01:01:10,227
Speaker 16: days of county cricket, we can week out when it

1228
01:01:10,267 --> 01:01:11,427
Speaker 16: literally is in New zeal And, So he can't do

1229
01:01:11,427 --> 01:01:12,947
Speaker 16: that anyway, you know what I mean, Like, that's that's

1230
01:01:13,027 --> 01:01:14,507
Speaker 16: just not that's that's a different coach.

1231
01:01:14,987 --> 01:01:16,867
Speaker 8: So Inger need to kind of work out what what

1232
01:01:17,027 --> 01:01:17,867
Speaker 8: is McComb good.

1233
01:01:17,747 --> 01:01:20,147
Speaker 16: At and also what's he not good at and actually

1234
01:01:20,467 --> 01:01:21,467
Speaker 16: compensate with those strengths.

1235
01:01:21,467 --> 01:01:23,347
Speaker 8: And they haven't really been doing the kind of.

1236
01:01:23,587 --> 01:01:25,667
Speaker 16: Looking what he's not good at until now, And if

1237
01:01:25,747 --> 01:01:27,187
Speaker 16: and if they do that, I think there's still a

1238
01:01:27,547 --> 01:01:29,507
Speaker 16: there's still chance going forward. I mean, his relationship with

1239
01:01:29,587 --> 01:01:31,987
Speaker 16: Benzo's is still pretty good, even though toutterly they were

1240
01:01:31,987 --> 01:01:34,347
Speaker 16: a bit Ulne during the ashes with Stokes, wanted to

1241
01:01:34,347 --> 01:01:37,227
Speaker 16: play a bit more old school Test cricket actually, but

1242
01:01:37,547 --> 01:01:40,027
Speaker 16: Macau's relationship with Harry Brook, who's the White or captain

1243
01:01:40,027 --> 01:01:42,907
Speaker 16: and really future Test captain, is really outstanding, almost better

1244
01:01:42,907 --> 01:01:43,907
Speaker 16: than his relationship with Stokes.

1245
01:01:43,907 --> 01:01:45,907
Speaker 8: So that's another reason to kind of keep him as well.

1246
01:01:45,987 --> 01:01:48,707
Speaker 16: So there are some some like positive reasons to keep

1247
01:01:48,747 --> 01:01:51,587
Speaker 16: him before that aren't just about saving saving money, even

1248
01:01:51,627 --> 01:01:52,587
Speaker 16: though that that is important.

1249
01:01:52,947 --> 01:01:55,347
Speaker 4: You're also pointed out in your pace that Brendan McCallum

1250
01:01:55,387 --> 01:01:59,067
Speaker 4: revitalized senior players like Johnny Bearstow, like James Anderson, likes

1251
01:01:59,067 --> 01:02:02,827
Speaker 4: Stuart Broad So what does that say about his ability

1252
01:02:02,907 --> 01:02:06,227
Speaker 4: to manage a lot of different personalities.

1253
01:02:08,227 --> 01:02:10,307
Speaker 16: So I think the interesting thing is, like, so that

1254
01:02:10,387 --> 01:02:11,907
Speaker 16: was kind of coming out of a period of covid

1255
01:02:11,987 --> 01:02:14,507
Speaker 16: in also playing very negative before and it was given

1256
01:02:14,587 --> 01:02:16,947
Speaker 16: these guys in their thirties a new lease of life.

1257
01:02:17,027 --> 01:02:19,507
Speaker 8: Really, maybe the bigger.

1258
01:02:19,307 --> 01:02:23,507
Speaker 16: Unknown is for newer players who don't have that kind

1259
01:02:23,507 --> 01:02:27,067
Speaker 16: of body of work to lean back on how that sits.

1260
01:02:27,067 --> 01:02:28,987
Speaker 16: So with Jamie Smith, for example, who've made a really

1261
01:02:29,027 --> 01:02:30,827
Speaker 16: good start of his career, he suddenly got Australia and

1262
01:02:30,867 --> 01:02:33,067
Speaker 16: was really really lost. Ben Folks, who was the four

1263
01:02:33,067 --> 01:02:35,427
Speaker 16: wicky heeper, has talked about actually he didn't like not

1264
01:02:35,427 --> 01:02:37,187
Speaker 16: having a wicket keeping coach because Folks is a guy

1265
01:02:37,187 --> 01:02:38,947
Speaker 16: who liked to do a lot of training, which is

1266
01:02:38,987 --> 01:02:39,547
Speaker 16: fair enough, and I.

1267
01:02:39,507 --> 01:02:40,707
Speaker 8: Think that's been a sense.

1268
01:02:40,467 --> 01:02:44,987
Speaker 16: It England pick and McCollum favors guys who are similar

1269
01:02:44,987 --> 01:02:47,867
Speaker 16: approach to him, which is, don't train too much, have

1270
01:02:48,067 --> 01:02:50,547
Speaker 16: quite a chill mindset and actually no, that's fairy enough

1271
01:02:50,587 --> 01:02:51,787
Speaker 16: an extent, but you want.

1272
01:02:51,587 --> 01:02:54,547
Speaker 8: A variety of voices and approaches and to be open

1273
01:02:54,587 --> 01:02:54,947
Speaker 8: to those.

1274
01:02:55,347 --> 01:02:57,107
Speaker 16: There was I mean it was Ben Stokes at one

1275
01:02:57,107 --> 01:02:59,307
Speaker 16: point said if asked to Cook had been.

1276
01:02:59,227 --> 01:03:01,627
Speaker 8: Around, he wouldn't have been in the England team, which

1277
01:03:01,627 --> 01:03:04,507
Speaker 8: is remarkable given you know cookis in his second top

1278
01:03:04,587 --> 01:03:06,627
Speaker 8: ron score of all time. Of course he has playing

1279
01:03:06,667 --> 01:03:08,987
Speaker 8: at a basball way, but you're saying Zach Crawley is

1280
01:03:08,987 --> 01:03:11,587
Speaker 8: a better test players asked than asked Cook. It's crazy

1281
01:03:11,627 --> 01:03:13,707
Speaker 8: to say that. So there was this kind of this

1282
01:03:13,787 --> 01:03:14,627
Speaker 8: dogmatic approach.

1283
01:03:14,667 --> 01:03:18,307
Speaker 16: I think, yeah, I think with younger players who you know,

1284
01:03:18,387 --> 01:03:21,947
Speaker 16: haven't been to these these these tourbets before, they probably

1285
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Speaker 16: do need some bit more technical support than so that

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Speaker 16: Amison and Broad did best so did late in their

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Speaker 16: careers and actually be able to provide that as well.

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Speaker 16: And that, but that was said, like the character of

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Speaker 16: king team has changed, you know, Jacob Bethel, Harry Brooke,

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Speaker 16: Jamie Smith. That's three of the top seven. I think

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Speaker 16: he will be maintained for a long time. Have all

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Speaker 16: didn't none of none of May the days before maclumb

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Speaker 16: took over. And the bowling attack has also changed, you know,

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Speaker 16: Brydon Cast, Josh Chung, Gus Atkinson. I think that obviously

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Speaker 16: the question is whether they will be able to maintain

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Speaker 16: the kind of level of Amason Broad and works before

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Speaker 16: who was on the.

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Speaker 8: Big a big loss. So it's a different team and

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Speaker 8: I think it will quite a different style of coaching.

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Speaker 8: I think.

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Speaker 16: I think when he came in and there was an

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Speaker 16: old quite an old team, the kind of shackles off

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Speaker 16: approach had a real really galvanized the players completely. But

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Speaker 16: I'm not sure you can kind of come in and

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Speaker 16: have a ten year career with that being the only

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Speaker 16: approach that you that you have.

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Speaker 4: Really, if you polled English cricket fans, what percentage would

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Speaker 4: have voted for change.

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Speaker 8: It?

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Speaker 16: Would have been wouldn't have been as close as Brexit,

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Speaker 16: that's for sure, would have been a slide against the

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Speaker 16: color and I'm afraid there's no doubt about that. In fact,

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Speaker 16: I look at the poll in the Telegraph, did Key

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Speaker 16: and Gren McCallum, Rocky deserves to keep their jobs?

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Speaker 8: Ninety percent said no.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Well it answers the question. Then doesn't it answers

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Speaker 4: the question? So well there be any blowback, then here's

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Speaker 4: there been any blowback? Will support for the English cricket

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Speaker 4: team suffer is a result of this decision?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Was?

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Speaker 16: The finny thing is they're playing New Zealand now, which

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Speaker 16: is a tough series because even one three and oil

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Speaker 16: four years ago, and it was a slightly freakish serial

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Speaker 16: it was the first basketball series, but also a lot

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Speaker 16: of kind of sidedoors moments like con Goronho's, the Grondholmes

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Speaker 16: no ball to Ben Stokes at Laws.

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Speaker 8: They kind of all went England's way and it also

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Speaker 8: means were.

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Speaker 16: To somehow went through nail again, which is unlikely, they

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Speaker 16: wouldn't even get that much credit because they're be like, oh,

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Speaker 16: you've done that before.

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Speaker 8: So it's actually horrible series, ringing to play.

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Speaker 16: We've seen what Matt Henry did to Zach Crawley a

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Speaker 16: couple of years ago and got about six times out

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Speaker 16: of six being able to lose that series, there would

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Speaker 16: be a huge.

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Speaker 8: Amount of pressure.

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Speaker 16: Even even if lose a Test will series is live,

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Speaker 16: it will be being really comfortable.

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Speaker 8: So no, no, I think I mean Richard Gore, the CEO,

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Speaker 8: he was right.

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Speaker 16: When he said, actually the easy thing to do, the

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Speaker 16: popular thing to do, would have been to sack McCallum.

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Speaker 16: That's definitely true. So in the sense the whole kind

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Speaker 16: of regime has gone in even higher, on even more

1347
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Speaker 16: on mcclum bid by not sacking him. So they basically said,

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Speaker 16: you know, we don't want to give into the masses.

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Speaker 16: We've said we always basically always losing Ingld, always losing Australia,

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Speaker 16: and then they rip things up, although actually sometimes they

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Speaker 16: lose and they don't they don't rip things off. But yeah,

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01:06:01,147 --> 01:06:04,707
Speaker 16: so there will be the England team under McCullum is

1353
01:06:04,707 --> 01:06:06,867
Speaker 16: more and popular now that's ever been before as a sense,

1354
01:06:06,987 --> 01:06:08,907
Speaker 16: not only the results have gone down, but they've been

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Speaker 16: They made some idiotic comments about you know, changing changing

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Speaker 16: cricket forever and everything which is as a lot of

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01:06:15,827 --> 01:06:17,747
Speaker 16: people they haven't won a lot. There's a sense that

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Speaker 16: they've been a bit, a bit arrogant, a bit a

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Speaker 16: bit aloof and stuff, so that there is a need

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Speaker 16: this summer really not just to win, but to get

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Speaker 16: the kind of nation back back on side. So it's

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Speaker 16: a it's a new challenge. It's certainly the toughest toughest

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Speaker 16: period of McCollum's regime so far, and he will adapt

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Speaker 16: a bit and the regime around him will adapt to

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Speaker 16: a fair amount and we'll see if that at leads

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Speaker 16: are something. I mean, he's only he's only actually got

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Speaker 16: eighteen months left on his contract, so it's not actually

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Speaker 16: a huge amount of time.

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Speaker 8: But within that.

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Speaker 16: You have you have an Ashes at home, you have

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Speaker 16: the oly I World Cup in Africa next kind of

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Speaker 16: next eighteen months time as well. So yeah, a lot

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Speaker 16: on and in this this period will really affect how

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Speaker 16: McCollum's reign has judged. If the results keep on dwindling,

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Speaker 16: so they lose to New Zealand, they then lose lose,

1376
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Speaker 16: lose the Ashes, it will be seen that actually gray

1377
01:07:05,947 --> 01:07:09,747
Speaker 16: eighteen and then it all went pretty pretty flat, pretty flat,

1378
01:07:10,227 --> 01:07:10,867
Speaker 16: very very quickly.

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Speaker 4: Really, what is the commonly held view on win beIN

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Speaker 4: Stokes will stop playing cricket for England.

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Speaker 16: I think the best I mean, I think the best

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Speaker 16: case that's sort of vaguely realistic is he plays the

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Speaker 16: Ashes next year and maybe somehow somehow goes to the

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Speaker 16: World Cup afterwards, and then that's it. By that time

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Speaker 16: he'll be thirty six and just bowld. Yeah, I think

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01:07:36,587 --> 01:07:39,467
Speaker 16: that's the likeliest. I think I think that's yeah, But

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Speaker 16: it could it's one of those where the amount of

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Speaker 16: injuries his hairs, you kind of feel, actually, he could

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01:07:45,107 --> 01:07:48,427
Speaker 16: be one bad injury away from that being it. Or

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Speaker 16: there's a world where maybe you know, he goes on

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01:07:51,187 --> 01:07:55,707
Speaker 16: and plays a specialist for a few more years to come.

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Speaker 16: But it does feel quite kind of precarious, quite tricky.

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01:08:00,507 --> 01:08:02,947
Speaker 16: Fits is always there, and his return he bowled very well.

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Speaker 16: His batter of returns have been really, you know, pretty

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01:08:06,387 --> 01:08:11,187
Speaker 16: average for forty to fifty tests now, and I think, yeah,

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01:08:11,227 --> 01:08:12,907
Speaker 16: but I think that's there's there's a there's an argument

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Speaker 16: actually in terms of McCollum that if Stokes worth a

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01:08:15,587 --> 01:08:17,827
Speaker 16: go as captained weirdly and Harry Brook came in, that

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Speaker 16: actually probably been quite good for McCallum because rapport with

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Speaker 16: Brooks seems to be excellent Brooks. Brooks always talked about

1401
01:08:23,587 --> 01:08:25,827
Speaker 16: how mcom's the best coaches ever played with. And in

1402
01:08:25,947 --> 01:08:29,707
Speaker 16: the WE World Cup, it was mccoum's idea for Brooke

1403
01:08:29,787 --> 01:08:32,107
Speaker 16: to move himself to bat at three and then he

1404
01:08:32,267 --> 01:08:34,067
Speaker 16: got one hundred there in his first game there, So

1405
01:08:34,467 --> 01:08:38,107
Speaker 16: there was a really tight relationship between those two. And yeah,

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01:08:38,107 --> 01:08:40,107
Speaker 16: the Stokes question it kind of yeah, it's sort of

1407
01:08:40,107 --> 01:08:41,867
Speaker 16: like his bowling is now better than his batting, but

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01:08:41,987 --> 01:08:44,347
Speaker 16: with his injuries, how much can you kind of trust

1409
01:08:44,347 --> 01:08:45,147
Speaker 16: his bowling workload?

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Speaker 8: So a lot of little questions there for England.

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Speaker 4: Might this s end up being the right decision? You know,

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Speaker 4: despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary in terms of

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01:08:53,627 --> 01:08:56,227
Speaker 4: the ninety percent of your readers who don't think it

1414
01:08:56,307 --> 01:08:59,827
Speaker 4: is the right the right decision. Could this scened up

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01:08:59,867 --> 01:09:00,987
Speaker 4: being a good decision?

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01:09:02,467 --> 01:09:02,707
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:09:02,867 --> 01:09:03,147
Speaker 8: I think.

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01:09:03,187 --> 01:09:06,347
Speaker 16: I think with the new the new selector is empowered

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01:09:06,587 --> 01:09:09,467
Speaker 16: and there's a tweak in the kind of personnel and

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01:09:09,507 --> 01:09:11,427
Speaker 16: then not just picking guys who play in the kind

1421
01:09:11,467 --> 01:09:13,787
Speaker 16: of basketball method and we see a slight refined way

1422
01:09:14,427 --> 01:09:17,027
Speaker 16: or keeping the kind of best aspects I think it

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01:09:17,027 --> 01:09:19,707
Speaker 16: could be a good decision and then you know, mcclum,

1424
01:09:19,867 --> 01:09:21,627
Speaker 16: whatever whins the Ashes, wins the world car and walks

1425
01:09:21,667 --> 01:09:25,067
Speaker 16: up into the sunset. I mean, it's strange things have happened, right,

1426
01:09:25,747 --> 01:09:28,467
Speaker 16: I don't think it's yeah, I think there's no guarantee

1427
01:09:28,587 --> 01:09:31,227
Speaker 16: that a new coach would have would have done better

1428
01:09:31,267 --> 01:09:32,707
Speaker 16: just for the sake of it. So the other thing

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01:09:32,747 --> 01:09:34,907
Speaker 16: we haven't talked about is is the lack of the

1430
01:09:34,947 --> 01:09:38,507
Speaker 16: candidates who have been discussed are already foreign candidates, as

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01:09:38,587 --> 01:09:41,027
Speaker 16: McCullum obviously is. So in the hundred, you know, the

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Speaker 16: men's hundred, of the eight coaches, only one of them

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01:09:43,747 --> 01:09:47,027
Speaker 16: is English. That man is is Peter Moore, who's already

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Speaker 16: be England coached twice. He's not going to come back again.

1435
01:09:49,107 --> 01:09:51,067
Speaker 16: So there's actually just a lack of English coaching talent,

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01:09:51,507 --> 01:09:52,987
Speaker 16: which is one of the big things as well. And

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01:09:53,027 --> 01:09:55,667
Speaker 16: if you go overseas you generally have to pay a

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01:09:55,707 --> 01:09:57,747
Speaker 16: lot more. So that's been a real issue as well,

1439
01:09:57,787 --> 01:09:59,187
Speaker 16: which is you know, they could have tried to get

1440
01:09:59,187 --> 01:10:01,467
Speaker 16: Andy Flower might not even have worked, in which case

1441
01:10:02,427 --> 01:10:04,427
Speaker 16: their potentially they've spent a lot of money to really

1442
01:10:04,467 --> 01:10:06,307
Speaker 16: get nowhere at all was that was the risk that

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01:10:07,027 --> 01:10:09,587
Speaker 16: England face and they've tried to They're going to kind

1444
01:10:09,587 --> 01:10:13,987
Speaker 16: of spend more and refine their approach in other areas

1445
01:10:14,027 --> 01:10:15,947
Speaker 16: and I kind of hope mccoum can keep being McCullum,

1446
01:10:16,267 --> 01:10:18,387
Speaker 16: but the areas were lacking.

1447
01:10:19,387 --> 01:10:19,947
Speaker 8: There's more.

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01:10:20,427 --> 01:10:23,387
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'll be able to kind of to fill that

1449
01:10:23,387 --> 01:10:26,947
Speaker 16: that that's that's the best England made And yeah, for

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01:10:27,027 --> 01:10:29,387
Speaker 16: the next eighteen months will determine. And I think actually

1451
01:10:29,387 --> 01:10:32,387
Speaker 16: if it doesn't go well, I think not only McCollum

1452
01:10:32,547 --> 01:10:34,707
Speaker 16: will be obviously we'll go because this contract will end.

1453
01:10:34,707 --> 01:10:37,587
Speaker 16: If he doesn't go before Rob Key imagine director he

1454
01:10:38,067 --> 01:10:39,907
Speaker 16: might go as well, even Richard or the CEO who's

1455
01:10:39,987 --> 01:10:43,227
Speaker 16: really said he's made this decision as well. So like

1456
01:10:43,267 --> 01:10:46,387
Speaker 16: there's a lot of people actually who whose kind of

1457
01:10:46,427 --> 01:10:49,747
Speaker 16: futures rests on doing a lot a lot better going

1458
01:10:49,747 --> 01:10:50,467
Speaker 16: forward now.

1459
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Speaker 4: Fast and adding time in English cricket. We're going to

1460
01:10:52,387 --> 01:10:55,267
Speaker 4: get a close up view in England host New Zealand

1461
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Speaker 4: side in a few months time. Tom, thanks so much

1462
01:10:57,147 --> 01:10:59,627
Speaker 4: for lenning. It's your time and your expertise really really

1463
01:10:59,667 --> 01:11:02,587
Speaker 4: interesting times. Thanks for the jaed cheers. Jason, thank you mate.

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Speaker 4: There is term wig More, he writes for The Telegraph,

1465
01:11:05,627 --> 01:11:09,987
Speaker 4: an award winning writer and author, and some great insight

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01:11:10,027 --> 01:11:12,467
Speaker 4: there unto what the thinking is. That's incredible, isn't it?

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01:11:12,587 --> 01:11:15,187
Speaker 4: Ninety percent? And that's just a poll I know, in

1468
01:11:15,267 --> 01:11:19,067
Speaker 4: a you know, a on a newspaper website, the Telegraph website.

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01:11:19,107 --> 01:11:21,427
Speaker 4: But yeah, from what I've seen and read it, it

1470
01:11:21,467 --> 01:11:24,547
Speaker 4: appears us though, that is the commonly held view that

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01:11:24,987 --> 01:11:28,147
Speaker 4: the vast majority of England cricket fans, after what happened

1472
01:11:28,187 --> 01:11:31,267
Speaker 4: in the Ashes, want to change. It hasn't come for

1473
01:11:31,307 --> 01:11:36,307
Speaker 4: whatever reason, be that pragmatic, financial or cricketing. But gee,

1474
01:11:36,347 --> 01:11:39,507
Speaker 4: that makes the midyear tests between the black Caps and

1475
01:11:39,547 --> 01:11:43,747
Speaker 4: England over in England just a compulsory viewing. Can you

1476
01:11:43,827 --> 01:11:45,787
Speaker 4: imagine what it'll be like when the black Caps get

1477
01:11:45,787 --> 01:11:48,507
Speaker 4: over there to take on Brendan McCallum, first Test series

1478
01:11:48,547 --> 01:11:52,347
Speaker 4: since being reconfirmed as coach after what happened in the Ashes.

1479
01:11:52,387 --> 01:11:54,307
Speaker 4: They did okay in the T twenty World Cup. Brenda

1480
01:11:54,387 --> 01:11:56,867
Speaker 4: mcllum of course, is now coach in all three formats.

1481
01:11:57,747 --> 01:12:01,547
Speaker 4: Looking forward to that midjear Test series one forty it

1482
01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:05,587
Speaker 4: is speaking of cricket, the White Ferns and South Africa

1483
01:12:05,707 --> 01:12:09,267
Speaker 4: are about to get underway in their fifty over series.

1484
01:12:09,987 --> 01:12:13,027
Speaker 4: Just checking toss details. South Africa have won the toss

1485
01:12:13,507 --> 01:12:17,107
Speaker 4: and sent New Zealand into bat at Hagleyoval in christ Church.

1486
01:12:17,467 --> 01:12:20,147
Speaker 4: First ballers due at two o'clock. We'll keep eyes on

1487
01:12:20,187 --> 01:12:22,627
Speaker 4: that for you when we come back though. As usual,

1488
01:12:22,667 --> 01:12:25,547
Speaker 4: on a Sunday, James mconey is going to join us.

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01:12:25,587 --> 01:12:29,667
Speaker 1: The biggest names in sport talk to Finy Weekend Sport

1490
01:12:29,867 --> 01:12:34,187
Speaker 1: with Jason Paine and GJ. Gudlos, new Zealand's most trusted

1491
01:12:34,267 --> 01:12:35,507
Speaker 1: home builder News talks.

1492
01:12:35,547 --> 01:12:40,267
Speaker 4: That'd be seventeen to two Sunday. James mcconey, Good afternoon.

1493
01:12:40,627 --> 01:12:42,467
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, finey. How are you made?

1494
01:12:42,627 --> 01:12:45,427
Speaker 4: Very good? Thanks, very good. Are you unduly concerned about

1495
01:12:45,427 --> 01:12:48,267
Speaker 4: the Warriors' first loss of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm okay with it. I think it's just a

1497
01:12:51,547 --> 01:12:55,427
Speaker 3: reality check. There were probably aspects of the of the

1498
01:12:55,467 --> 01:12:58,067
Speaker 3: loss that we're concerning, including not being able to break

1499
01:12:58,107 --> 01:13:02,187
Speaker 3: through what is normally a reasonably flimsy defensive line from

1500
01:13:02,867 --> 01:13:05,827
Speaker 3: the Tigers. But one thing I did note, and I

1501
01:13:05,827 --> 01:13:08,267
Speaker 3: did a little bit deep research for you, Piney, some

1502
01:13:08,387 --> 01:13:12,547
Speaker 3: analytics that the Warriors forwards are a little on the

1503
01:13:12,627 --> 01:13:16,787
Speaker 3: small side. You know, I'm just saying, nobody over one

1504
01:13:16,867 --> 01:13:19,547
Speaker 3: meter ninety And I know it's not all about height

1505
01:13:19,627 --> 01:13:22,587
Speaker 3: and weight, but sometimes if you see them bashing into

1506
01:13:22,587 --> 01:13:25,627
Speaker 3: a defensive line and it's not really budging, you do

1507
01:13:25,787 --> 01:13:28,547
Speaker 3: have to note that they're a little bit undersized. And

1508
01:13:29,347 --> 01:13:31,747
Speaker 3: you know, according to most of my ex girl friends,

1509
01:13:31,867 --> 01:13:32,787
Speaker 3: size does matter.

1510
01:13:33,347 --> 01:13:36,387
Speaker 4: Well, if you ask Hurricanes coach Clark Laidler about that,

1511
01:13:36,467 --> 01:13:39,547
Speaker 4: he'd say that about Warner Durns. How good's this guy going?

1512
01:13:40,467 --> 01:13:44,627
Speaker 3: Honestly, mate, Warner Durns from another planet. He is a

1513
01:13:44,747 --> 01:13:48,907
Speaker 3: proper two meters plus locke. He is athletic. He's the

1514
01:13:49,027 --> 01:13:51,747
Speaker 3: chargedown king. Obviously, everyone a members. The one that he

1515
01:13:51,787 --> 01:13:55,987
Speaker 3: did against for Japan against the All Blacks fly Christie

1516
01:13:55,987 --> 01:13:58,107
Speaker 3: with the box kick. Oh no, you don't want a

1517
01:13:58,187 --> 01:14:01,187
Speaker 3: Durns charge down. He did that again against the Western

1518
01:14:01,267 --> 01:14:05,227
Speaker 3: Force the other day. He is just such a premium athlete.

1519
01:14:05,307 --> 01:14:08,587
Speaker 3: Obviously everyone knows is Tanya Durns. Who is Taranya Cox,

1520
01:14:08,667 --> 01:14:12,827
Speaker 3: the great silver Ferns defender. But he went over there

1521
01:14:12,827 --> 01:14:14,867
Speaker 3: as a young man. He's loved it over there. He's

1522
01:14:14,907 --> 01:14:18,987
Speaker 3: got a Japanese partner, they've got a son. He is

1523
01:14:19,347 --> 01:14:24,467
Speaker 3: committed to the Brave Blossoms. He can't he's not injured eligible.

1524
01:14:24,507 --> 01:14:27,307
Speaker 3: But the Hurricanes have done a great thing by adding

1525
01:14:27,347 --> 01:14:29,827
Speaker 3: him to their pack because now they've just got tall

1526
01:14:29,907 --> 01:14:31,267
Speaker 3: Timber who's a super athlete.

1527
01:14:31,387 --> 01:14:33,667
Speaker 4: Now I've just looked at the tab odds and the

1528
01:14:33,747 --> 01:14:36,467
Speaker 4: Chiefs won last night over in Perth to move back

1529
01:14:36,467 --> 01:14:39,467
Speaker 4: into the top six. They're currently fifth with four wins

1530
01:14:39,467 --> 01:14:42,347
Speaker 4: and two defeats. The Hurricanes are eight points ahead of them,

1531
01:14:42,867 --> 01:14:45,187
Speaker 4: and in four of their six games they have scored

1532
01:14:45,187 --> 01:14:49,227
Speaker 4: fifty points or more. The Chiefs are still favorites to

1533
01:14:49,347 --> 01:14:52,147
Speaker 4: win Super Rugby in the eyes of the tab. Do

1534
01:14:52,187 --> 01:14:53,787
Speaker 4: you think this is solely down to the fact that

1535
01:14:53,867 --> 01:14:57,307
Speaker 4: the Hurricanes have had far fewer matches against New Zealand

1536
01:14:57,307 --> 01:14:59,027
Speaker 4: opposition up to this point.

1537
01:14:59,707 --> 01:15:03,227
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've dodged the Darby's. But the way the Hurricanes

1538
01:15:03,227 --> 01:15:06,627
Speaker 3: are playing is just so convincing, compelling. It's all most

1539
01:15:06,627 --> 01:15:08,267
Speaker 3: of the way the all blacks. Who'd like to see

1540
01:15:08,307 --> 01:15:12,067
Speaker 3: them play where you know, the run first mentality. I

1541
01:15:12,107 --> 01:15:14,547
Speaker 3: know it's probably because they've been open games that have

1542
01:15:14,627 --> 01:15:18,587
Speaker 3: opened out to big margins, but look, there are key

1543
01:15:18,587 --> 01:15:22,907
Speaker 3: all blacks in there just looking superb. Cam Roy Guard,

1544
01:15:23,787 --> 01:15:27,147
Speaker 3: Jordi Barrett. You know Reuben Love. I mean, he's a

1545
01:15:27,147 --> 01:15:29,027
Speaker 3: guy I'd actually like to see in the number ten

1546
01:15:29,107 --> 01:15:32,587
Speaker 3: jersey for the All Blacks. His skill level is just

1547
01:15:32,827 --> 01:15:37,187
Speaker 3: out of this world. And then you know Peter Larchiy,

1548
01:15:37,307 --> 01:15:41,027
Speaker 3: Duplessy Kadifi. These guys are suffer well more. These are

1549
01:15:41,027 --> 01:15:44,427
Speaker 3: going to be crucial All Blacks as we move forward.

1550
01:15:44,467 --> 01:15:48,347
Speaker 3: And I think we've talked about Devin Flanders. He's one

1551
01:15:48,387 --> 01:15:50,907
Speaker 3: that surely Dave Rennie will have the spies out looking

1552
01:15:50,907 --> 01:15:54,027
Speaker 3: at because he just seems to be that sort of

1553
01:15:54,067 --> 01:15:58,467
Speaker 3: complete lucy who can do it all and get stuck

1554
01:15:58,547 --> 01:15:59,467
Speaker 3: under the tough stuff.

1555
01:16:00,027 --> 01:16:01,947
Speaker 4: The Blues are going okay, aren't they? So I'm not

1556
01:16:01,947 --> 01:16:04,267
Speaker 4: not under the raydar necessary, but they won their fourth

1557
01:16:04,307 --> 01:16:08,787
Speaker 4: straight game yesterday. Yeah, I mean I quite like watching

1558
01:16:08,787 --> 01:16:11,667
Speaker 4: the Blues. That there are, you know, a pretty decent

1559
01:16:11,747 --> 01:16:12,707
Speaker 4: rugby team, aren't they.

1560
01:16:13,867 --> 01:16:15,747
Speaker 3: I think the Blues are going to be there or

1561
01:16:15,747 --> 01:16:19,787
Speaker 3: thereabout scum finals timed. I've got the cattle if you like.

1562
01:16:19,907 --> 01:16:23,107
Speaker 3: And they love confrontation. That's what Burn Cootder is all about.

1563
01:16:23,187 --> 01:16:26,507
Speaker 3: And then Paul Tito and there with the forwards, they

1564
01:16:26,587 --> 01:16:28,827
Speaker 3: just want to win that physical contest, and of course

1565
01:16:28,987 --> 01:16:33,867
Speaker 3: in June that means, you know, they become even more important.

1566
01:16:33,907 --> 01:16:38,627
Speaker 3: So yeah, that it was unconvincing yesterday, but hey, they've

1567
01:16:38,707 --> 01:16:41,627
Speaker 3: uncovered new talent, including Cody Vyn of course sat of

1568
01:16:41,707 --> 01:16:46,507
Speaker 3: Carlos Peyton Spencer scored his first try last night. A

1569
01:16:46,507 --> 01:16:49,467
Speaker 3: couple of us says, you know that they're progressing nicely,

1570
01:16:49,507 --> 01:16:49,947
Speaker 3: aren't they?

1571
01:16:50,027 --> 01:16:52,907
Speaker 4: They are? They are, Yeah, and we'll certainly have a

1572
01:16:52,947 --> 01:16:56,027
Speaker 4: lot to say about the final makeup of Super Rugby

1573
01:16:56,067 --> 01:16:59,947
Speaker 4: this year. On Eden Park tomorrow night, What's gone Football Rugby?

1574
01:16:59,987 --> 01:17:02,467
Speaker 4: There's a Wiggles concert, not the four Wiggles but the

1575
01:17:02,547 --> 01:17:05,907
Speaker 4: former Orange Wiggle there today and then Blair Christiansen and

1576
01:17:05,907 --> 01:17:08,787
Speaker 4: his team will get it ready for football again tomorrow night.

1577
01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:11,827
Speaker 4: I'd love to see a couple of goals obviously from

1578
01:17:11,867 --> 01:17:13,547
Speaker 4: the All Whites tomorrow night. What are you thinking about

1579
01:17:13,547 --> 01:17:16,427
Speaker 4: this match up with Chili piney?

1580
01:17:16,507 --> 01:17:19,267
Speaker 3: I think Chili this is this is perfect because they

1581
01:17:19,307 --> 01:17:23,107
Speaker 3: will be even more so than Finland are very you know,

1582
01:17:23,227 --> 01:17:28,467
Speaker 3: World Cup adjacent team. They they'll play a position style football,

1583
01:17:28,547 --> 01:17:32,387
Speaker 3: they will suffocate as much as they can. So what

1584
01:17:32,507 --> 01:17:35,107
Speaker 3: chances we get or create, we're going to have to capitalize.

1585
01:17:35,187 --> 01:17:36,787
Speaker 3: I think that the big issue.

1586
01:17:36,547 --> 01:17:37,707
Speaker 6: For me is.

1587
01:17:39,147 --> 01:17:41,267
Speaker 3: Are the goals? Are we just waiting for Chris Wood?

1588
01:17:41,307 --> 01:17:44,467
Speaker 3: Because you can't just wait for Chris Wood. You I

1589
01:17:44,467 --> 01:17:46,827
Speaker 3: think Callum mcow it's a genuine goal scorer. I think

1590
01:17:46,907 --> 01:17:50,867
Speaker 3: Jesse Randall is too. Somehow they're going to have to

1591
01:17:51,067 --> 01:17:54,467
Speaker 3: work out will they get singing back to you know,

1592
01:17:54,547 --> 01:17:57,547
Speaker 3: some kind of form where he's a factor because there's

1593
01:17:57,627 --> 01:18:02,227
Speaker 3: just not enough chances created. And to be honest, Jesse

1594
01:18:02,347 --> 01:18:04,907
Speaker 3: Randall would plea probably be the guy you'd want with

1595
01:18:04,987 --> 01:18:08,547
Speaker 3: his pace to have impact off the bench. But maybe

1596
01:18:08,587 --> 01:18:10,547
Speaker 3: it's just something we have to throw the kitchen sink

1597
01:18:10,587 --> 01:18:13,027
Speaker 3: at it and say, look, all as many goals scoring

1598
01:18:13,827 --> 01:18:15,227
Speaker 3: people are on the field at once.

1599
01:18:15,907 --> 01:18:18,467
Speaker 4: I'd start Jesse Randal tomorrow night. I think he's kind

1600
01:18:18,467 --> 01:18:21,947
Speaker 4: of earned that for his second half against Finland the

1601
01:18:21,987 --> 01:18:25,067
Speaker 4: other night. I think he's earned a start. We've talked

1602
01:18:25,067 --> 01:18:27,307
Speaker 4: about this a lot. He's the hot hand, he's playing

1603
01:18:27,307 --> 01:18:29,027
Speaker 4: well for his club, he's clearly able to bring that

1604
01:18:29,107 --> 01:18:32,307
Speaker 4: upper level into the international game. Why not give him

1605
01:18:32,307 --> 01:18:34,467
Speaker 4: a start tomorrow night? And he's the funny thing is

1606
01:18:34,467 --> 01:18:36,347
Speaker 4: a year ago, James, you know, if we were talking

1607
01:18:36,347 --> 01:18:39,227
Speaker 4: about in all Whites World Cup squad. Jesse Randal probably

1608
01:18:39,347 --> 01:18:42,907
Speaker 4: wasn't in it. Now we're talking about him starting matches

1609
01:18:42,947 --> 01:18:43,987
Speaker 4: for the national side.

1610
01:18:44,587 --> 01:18:46,427
Speaker 3: Yeah, and fair enough, I'm the same with you. I

1611
01:18:46,427 --> 01:18:49,707
Speaker 3: would start Jesse Randal. I would actually just I mean,

1612
01:18:49,747 --> 01:18:52,347
Speaker 3: I know that Ben Old is going to be hopefully

1613
01:18:52,427 --> 01:18:55,067
Speaker 3: a massive factor because he's been playing regular games over

1614
01:18:55,107 --> 01:18:57,907
Speaker 3: in France, although his team has dropped down in the

1615
01:18:58,107 --> 01:19:01,947
Speaker 3: second division. I think, yep saying it, but look, this

1616
01:19:02,027 --> 01:19:05,347
Speaker 3: is the issue Jesse Randal. No matter where you put him,

1617
01:19:05,387 --> 01:19:09,907
Speaker 3: I think there's pace will trouble anyone. So I'm with you, poney,

1618
01:19:10,587 --> 01:19:14,427
Speaker 3: give Jesse a chance. You know, I think Alex Paulson

1619
01:19:14,467 --> 01:19:17,067
Speaker 3: should be nurtured as our number one goalie, have the

1620
01:19:17,067 --> 01:19:20,507
Speaker 3: better distributor. You can't go just to sit back at

1621
01:19:20,507 --> 01:19:22,507
Speaker 3: World Cups. You're gonna have to do you want to

1622
01:19:22,547 --> 01:19:24,867
Speaker 3: make it to the next round or not, and that's

1623
01:19:24,907 --> 01:19:30,667
Speaker 3: where the goalscorers need to emerge. And even Libby Cacacci,

1624
01:19:30,987 --> 01:19:34,307
Speaker 3: you know, when he's fit and available, that lest side

1625
01:19:34,707 --> 01:19:37,307
Speaker 3: is where our best hope lies. And that's your Jesse place. Yep.

1626
01:19:37,427 --> 01:19:40,987
Speaker 4: Agreed, all right? To finish today, ken We basketballer Charlie's

1627
01:19:41,027 --> 01:19:43,787
Speaker 4: legier Walker. She could be w NBA bound.

1628
01:19:44,987 --> 01:19:49,507
Speaker 3: Yes, she's on some draft sites or mock draft they

1629
01:19:49,547 --> 01:19:53,627
Speaker 3: call them. For the WNBA, she will be. She's lying

1630
01:19:53,627 --> 01:19:56,027
Speaker 3: about fifteenth, so you'd hope that she'd make it through

1631
01:19:56,107 --> 01:20:01,027
Speaker 3: as a playmaking point guard. She's sort of I know,

1632
01:20:01,387 --> 01:20:03,867
Speaker 3: eight or nine as sister. Game is pretty regular for her.

1633
01:20:04,627 --> 01:20:09,867
Speaker 3: She's with which is an absolutely stacked team, but when

1634
01:20:09,867 --> 01:20:12,907
Speaker 3: you watch them play, she's a total team leader for them,

1635
01:20:12,987 --> 01:20:14,867
Speaker 3: So I think that's going to happen. I hope that

1636
01:20:14,947 --> 01:20:16,827
Speaker 3: a team makes it all the way in March Madness

1637
01:20:16,827 --> 01:20:20,907
Speaker 3: because that'll be cool as well. But yeah, Megan Compaign

1638
01:20:20,947 --> 01:20:23,707
Speaker 3: who now works for the All Blacks and New Zealand Rugby,

1639
01:20:23,947 --> 01:20:27,227
Speaker 3: she was our last w NBA player, so let's look

1640
01:20:27,267 --> 01:20:29,467
Speaker 3: out for Charlie's leader Walker. Of course we all remember

1641
01:20:29,507 --> 01:20:33,027
Speaker 3: her as this prodigy, but now you know she's about

1642
01:20:33,067 --> 01:20:33,707
Speaker 3: to get a chance.

1643
01:20:33,867 --> 01:20:37,787
Speaker 4: Yeah, love that, Love that tech through Ken James confirm

1644
01:20:37,907 --> 01:20:41,067
Speaker 4: or deny he was at KFC Hastings yesterday.

1645
01:20:42,427 --> 01:20:45,507
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean this will sound like a false denial

1646
01:20:45,587 --> 01:20:49,387
Speaker 3: because but I was not at KFC Hastings. I wish

1647
01:20:49,467 --> 01:20:51,307
Speaker 3: I was, though it sounds like it'd be a great

1648
01:20:51,387 --> 01:20:54,427
Speaker 3: KFC with plenty of turnovers. So that's what you want,

1649
01:20:54,507 --> 01:20:55,867
Speaker 3: is a good fresh KFC.

1650
01:20:56,227 --> 01:21:00,027
Speaker 4: What surprises me is that somebody looks like you. I

1651
01:21:00,027 --> 01:21:02,787
Speaker 4: mean I've only even known won you. If you know,

1652
01:21:02,827 --> 01:21:06,907
Speaker 4: even from a distance, squinting, I know it's you on mate.

1653
01:21:06,947 --> 01:21:11,787
Speaker 3: Have you not seen Hagrid from Harry Potter, from Warren

1654
01:21:11,827 --> 01:21:15,507
Speaker 3: Gatland and a little bit. I've got plenty of doppel

1655
01:21:15,507 --> 01:21:18,587
Speaker 3: gangers out there, I tell you, but yeah, I mean

1656
01:21:18,627 --> 01:21:21,587
Speaker 3: Hagrid is probably the number one. And there'll be friends

1657
01:21:21,587 --> 01:21:23,787
Speaker 3: of mine nodding right now listening to it, going Yep,

1658
01:21:23,827 --> 01:21:25,707
Speaker 3: he's Hagrid the Giant from Harry Potter.

1659
01:21:25,787 --> 01:21:28,347
Speaker 4: There's only one. James mcconey on Weekend Sport. Thanks for

1660
01:21:28,427 --> 01:21:30,467
Speaker 4: joining us as always, mate. We'll see you at even

1661
01:21:30,547 --> 01:21:36,147
Speaker 4: Park tomorrow night. You're a wizard, Painey James mcconey, always

1662
01:21:36,187 --> 01:21:39,067
Speaker 4: with us on a Sunday alternative commentary Collective Crowd goes

1663
01:21:39,067 --> 01:21:41,587
Speaker 4: wild and across your socials as well. Coming up seven

1664
01:21:41,747 --> 01:21:42,427
Speaker 4: away from two.

1665
01:21:43,267 --> 01:21:47,427
Speaker 1: The biggest names in sport are here Weekend Sport with

1666
01:21:47,707 --> 01:21:50,147
Speaker 1: Jason Vine News TALKSB.

1667
01:21:49,907 --> 01:21:53,707
Speaker 4: Four to two from Patricia in Whitecator. The Hurricanes haven't

1668
01:21:53,707 --> 01:21:55,907
Speaker 4: played the Blues the Chiefs, the Crusaders, all the Brumbies

1669
01:21:56,227 --> 01:21:57,947
Speaker 4: they had to buy in the first round. So an

1670
01:21:57,947 --> 01:22:02,067
Speaker 4: easy road so far, Thanks Patricia. Another pet though, says Piney,

1671
01:22:02,067 --> 01:22:05,067
Speaker 4: all this talk about the Hurricanes being lucky so far

1672
01:22:05,547 --> 01:22:08,627
Speaker 4: because they haven't face the big New Zealand teams, shouldn't

1673
01:22:08,627 --> 01:22:11,307
Speaker 4: it be that those New Zealand teams are lucky they

1674
01:22:11,347 --> 01:22:16,387
Speaker 4: haven't yet played the Hurricanes. Love it, pat love it,

1675
01:22:16,907 --> 01:22:20,147
Speaker 4: two different pats, two different views. Hurricanes top of the

1676
01:22:20,187 --> 01:22:22,867
Speaker 4: table and flying at the moment. Let's see how they

1677
01:22:22,867 --> 01:22:25,507
Speaker 4: go over the next little while. Coming up two o'clock

1678
01:22:25,547 --> 01:22:27,707
Speaker 4: after the news at two, we'll catch you up on

1679
01:22:27,707 --> 01:22:29,107
Speaker 4: some of the stuff that you might have missed. And

1680
01:22:29,107 --> 01:22:32,107
Speaker 4: then Mike Anthony, who was head of high performance at

1681
01:22:32,147 --> 01:22:35,227
Speaker 4: New Zealand Rugby for a very long time, has recently

1682
01:22:35,227 --> 01:22:38,027
Speaker 4: got himself a new gig. He's at Brighton and Hove

1683
01:22:38,107 --> 01:22:41,227
Speaker 4: Albion and the Premier League leading their player development and

1684
01:22:41,347 --> 01:22:44,387
Speaker 4: high performance program. He's with us and we'll preview the

1685
01:22:44,427 --> 01:22:45,307
Speaker 4: Grand Prix as well.

1686
01:22:46,067 --> 01:22:49,227
Speaker 2: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1687
01:22:50,547 --> 01:22:51,987
Speaker 2: a head off the field.

1688
01:22:52,187 --> 01:22:54,827
Speaker 1: You got a score an It's all on Weekend Sport

1689
01:22:54,947 --> 01:22:59,067
Speaker 1: with Jason Vine on your home of Sport News Talks

1690
01:22:59,107 --> 01:23:00,547
Speaker 1: at ME two seven.

1691
01:23:00,547 --> 01:23:02,507
Speaker 4: This is Weekend Sport on News Talks AB. I'm Jason

1692
01:23:02,547 --> 01:23:05,147
Speaker 4: Pine with Mark Kelly in charge of everything to do

1693
01:23:05,187 --> 01:23:07,787
Speaker 4: with the show. Today we're free. Then Tim Beveridge with

1694
01:23:07,907 --> 01:23:11,587
Speaker 4: the Weekend Collective Sunday edition. Before we get there, a

1695
01:23:11,587 --> 01:23:14,067
Speaker 4: bit to get through. Want to preview tonight's Japanese Grand

1696
01:23:14,067 --> 01:23:16,747
Speaker 4: Prix in Suzuka. Alex Powell out of the New Zealand

1697
01:23:16,747 --> 01:23:18,827
Speaker 4: here all going to pop in and give us his

1698
01:23:18,907 --> 01:23:22,667
Speaker 4: view on whether Liam Lawson can move from fourteenth on

1699
01:23:22,707 --> 01:23:25,267
Speaker 4: the grid up into the points. As I understand that

1700
01:23:25,307 --> 01:23:27,347
Speaker 4: Susuka is a pretty hard track to pass on. Alex

1701
01:23:27,347 --> 01:23:28,747
Speaker 4: will know a lot more than me, so he can

1702
01:23:28,827 --> 01:23:31,107
Speaker 4: chat to us. Before three, Emma Pine and Berg out

1703
01:23:31,107 --> 01:23:33,467
Speaker 4: of the Wellington Phoenix women's side. They take on Western

1704
01:23:33,507 --> 01:23:36,667
Speaker 4: Sydney this afternoon. Need to win this and win their

1705
01:23:36,667 --> 01:23:38,707
Speaker 4: next game to have a chance of winning the Premier's plate,

1706
01:23:38,827 --> 01:23:41,347
Speaker 4: but they are confirmed in the top six for the

1707
01:23:41,347 --> 01:23:44,907
Speaker 4: first time ever. So Emma Pine and Berg football firm

1708
01:23:45,107 --> 01:23:48,867
Speaker 4: and Wellington Phoenix midfielder with us and Mike Anthony, who's

1709
01:23:48,907 --> 01:23:50,987
Speaker 4: got a new role after being head of high performance

1710
01:23:50,987 --> 01:23:53,107
Speaker 4: at New Zealand Rugby for a long time is now

1711
01:23:53,107 --> 01:23:55,907
Speaker 4: with Brighton and Hove Albion in the Premier League. What

1712
01:23:55,987 --> 01:23:57,627
Speaker 4: is the job involved and how does you reflect on

1713
01:23:57,667 --> 01:24:01,347
Speaker 4: his time with New Zealand Rugby. Lines open as always

1714
01:24:01,387 --> 01:24:03,227
Speaker 4: O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty tex line is

1715
01:24:03,307 --> 01:24:05,867
Speaker 4: nine two nine two. As we tick closer to eight

1716
01:24:05,947 --> 01:24:08,667
Speaker 4: past two, as we always do it around about this time,

1717
01:24:09,987 --> 01:24:13,267
Speaker 4: there's the music. Let's catch you up in case you

1718
01:24:13,427 --> 01:24:17,707
Speaker 4: missed it. Starting in Super Rugby, the Hurricanes are racking

1719
01:24:17,787 --> 01:24:20,387
Speaker 4: up fifty for the fourth time in six games, this

1720
01:24:20,507 --> 01:24:24,307
Speaker 4: time against the Reds, their star winger scoring a hat

1721
01:24:24,347 --> 01:24:25,427
Speaker 4: trick of tries.

1722
01:24:27,467 --> 01:24:32,987
Speaker 3: La Beneyopo Patrick Dry coming up with the canters and

1723
01:24:33,107 --> 01:24:35,107
Speaker 3: the end of that part bing bang.

1724
01:24:35,147 --> 01:24:37,107
Speaker 6: If you've got him in your Super Rugby tacks like

1725
01:24:37,187 --> 01:24:37,507
Speaker 6: I have.

1726
01:24:37,627 --> 01:24:40,067
Speaker 4: I'm a happy man. Fifty two fourteen the final score.

1727
01:24:40,067 --> 01:24:42,227
Speaker 4: The Blues cap pace with a fourth straight victory and

1728
01:24:42,267 --> 01:24:45,427
Speaker 4: a famous surname among the tri scorers against the drawer

1729
01:24:45,587 --> 01:24:46,587
Speaker 4: Twisty put to.

1730
01:24:46,667 --> 01:24:51,187
Speaker 12: Kick ahead, It's gonna roll, Spencer Spencer's leading the chase

1731
01:24:51,507 --> 01:24:57,147
Speaker 12: and Spencer Peyton Spencer scores.

1732
01:24:57,027 --> 01:24:59,587
Speaker 4: Forty to fifteen the final score and the Chiefs bouncing

1733
01:24:59,627 --> 01:25:02,347
Speaker 4: back from the lost of the Brumbies to edge the force.

1734
01:25:02,547 --> 01:25:05,387
Speaker 6: They come towards the sideline, then they peel on the inside.

1735
01:25:05,507 --> 01:25:06,587
Speaker 2: Here's the try.

1736
01:25:06,987 --> 01:25:12,547
Speaker 4: Who's got it? The big number two replacement? Surprise surprise,

1737
01:25:12,667 --> 01:25:15,307
Speaker 4: Here Sumasoni Tokiyaha with the try twenty four to fourteen

1738
01:25:15,347 --> 01:25:18,387
Speaker 4: to the Chiefs in Perth. Jacob Duffy's made a stellar

1739
01:25:18,467 --> 01:25:23,987
Speaker 4: start to his Indian Premier League career for Royal Challengers Bengalaru.

1740
01:25:26,027 --> 01:25:29,747
Speaker 6: Should be another wicket Quickness be a third for Jacob

1741
01:25:30,067 --> 01:25:32,307
Speaker 6: as he has started.

1742
01:25:31,787 --> 01:25:35,907
Speaker 3: Off for Kiss Sapier season quick brilliant.

1743
01:25:35,507 --> 01:25:38,387
Speaker 4: Tom three for twenty two from four overs, Man of

1744
01:25:38,387 --> 01:25:41,147
Speaker 4: the match as his side beat Sunrise as Hyderabad by

1745
01:25:41,187 --> 01:25:44,627
Speaker 4: six wickets with four overs to spare. New Zealand Indy

1746
01:25:44,707 --> 01:25:48,107
Speaker 4: car driver Scott McLoughlin's bounced back from a spectacular crash

1747
01:25:48,147 --> 01:25:51,947
Speaker 4: in practice to qualify fourteenth for the Alabama Grand Prina

1748
01:25:52,027 --> 01:25:56,347
Speaker 4: backup car. He spun one hundred and eighty degrees going

1749
01:25:56,427 --> 01:25:59,747
Speaker 4: two hundred and forty kilometers per hour and punched over

1750
01:25:59,787 --> 01:26:02,987
Speaker 4: a tire wall into the catch fence going backwards.

1751
01:26:03,107 --> 01:26:05,787
Speaker 2: All of this equipment absolutely did its shaft.

1752
01:26:05,587 --> 01:26:08,067
Speaker 4: Slowed the car down and allowed Scott to work about.

1753
01:26:09,387 --> 01:26:12,267
Speaker 17: From a horrible impact and a horrible incident down here

1754
01:26:12,307 --> 01:26:13,547
Speaker 17: at turn one.

1755
01:26:13,707 --> 01:26:16,107
Speaker 4: And in the NRAL the Panthers four from four after

1756
01:26:16,227 --> 01:26:17,587
Speaker 4: victory over the Eels.

1757
01:26:17,787 --> 01:26:23,387
Speaker 5: Smith on the Colonia probably a magnificent kill.

1758
01:26:24,147 --> 01:26:29,507
Speaker 2: The pass stop the fight Casey mcflin.

1759
01:26:29,627 --> 01:26:32,827
Speaker 8: That is just ridiculous and top Jacobs gets.

1760
01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:35,307
Speaker 4: Another number forty eight to twenty the final score and

1761
01:26:35,387 --> 01:26:37,907
Speaker 4: the Cowboys have come from teen points down with team

1762
01:26:37,987 --> 01:26:41,147
Speaker 4: to go to beat the storm in Townsville.

1763
01:26:40,707 --> 01:26:44,427
Speaker 12: And drink water at the bagage Shine London's on the

1764
01:26:44,467 --> 01:26:50,267
Speaker 12: bird got into pup Birds has put t off up.

1765
01:26:50,227 --> 01:26:51,667
Speaker 7: To brun up the submer.

1766
01:26:52,787 --> 01:26:55,467
Speaker 16: The Cowboys have Scott threwn a row of hit the

1767
01:26:55,587 --> 01:27:00,187
Speaker 16: front this it's incredible.

1768
01:26:59,507 --> 01:27:02,107
Speaker 17: Roughilla, don't worry about the field goal.

1769
01:27:03,427 --> 01:27:07,747
Speaker 1: Analyzing the plays and getting the inside Weekend Sport with

1770
01:27:08,067 --> 01:27:09,907
Speaker 1: Jason Vine News Talks.

1771
01:27:09,667 --> 01:27:12,427
Speaker 4: AB News Talks AB and Weekend Sport eleven past two.

1772
01:27:12,467 --> 01:27:14,667
Speaker 4: New Zealand rugby is losing one of the key figures

1773
01:27:14,707 --> 01:27:17,507
Speaker 4: behind the high performance programs that support the All Blacks

1774
01:27:17,827 --> 01:27:21,507
Speaker 4: and other national teams. High Performance boss Mike Anthony has

1775
01:27:21,587 --> 01:27:25,467
Speaker 4: headed offshore. He's been recruited by English Premier League club

1776
01:27:25,547 --> 01:27:28,907
Speaker 4: Brighton and Hove Albion to lead their player development and

1777
01:27:29,027 --> 01:27:33,707
Speaker 4: high performance program, taking expertise developed in rugby into one

1778
01:27:33,747 --> 01:27:37,387
Speaker 4: of the world's biggest football competitions. Mike Anthony is with

1779
01:27:37,507 --> 01:27:40,587
Speaker 4: us now from the UK. Mike, congratulations on this new role.

1780
01:27:41,107 --> 01:27:43,467
Speaker 4: This feels like a big move. What attracted you to

1781
01:27:43,547 --> 01:27:46,547
Speaker 4: the opportunity with Brighton and Hove Albion.

1782
01:27:47,627 --> 01:27:49,267
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks Jason, thanks for having me on.

1783
01:27:50,187 --> 01:27:52,707
Speaker 6: Look, those that know me know that I've been looking

1784
01:27:53,187 --> 01:27:56,227
Speaker 6: at an opportunity outside of sport or outside of the

1785
01:27:56,267 --> 01:27:58,467
Speaker 6: sport I've been involved in for thirty years for some time,

1786
01:27:59,387 --> 01:28:02,147
Speaker 6: and I sort of looked and you know, for me,

1787
01:28:02,307 --> 01:28:06,227
Speaker 6: it was AFL, NBA, NFL in the Premier League really

1788
01:28:06,427 --> 01:28:10,187
Speaker 6: were the ones that I was looking at, and I

1789
01:28:11,267 --> 01:28:13,667
Speaker 6: had spent a lot lot of time. I'd spent time

1790
01:28:13,707 --> 01:28:17,467
Speaker 6: with San Antonio Spurs, spent some time with the Jets AFL.

1791
01:28:17,587 --> 01:28:21,427
Speaker 6: Obviously we've got good connections through New Zealand rugby football.

1792
01:28:21,627 --> 01:28:24,787
Speaker 6: There were a couple of people, in particular Bryce Kevina

1793
01:28:24,867 --> 01:28:27,227
Speaker 6: who's at Chelsea, who's an Aussie guy, and I know

1794
01:28:27,347 --> 01:28:30,587
Speaker 6: Bryce weilworld in a leader course together and he's made

1795
01:28:30,587 --> 01:28:33,387
Speaker 6: a really good transition out of rugby. He actually went

1796
01:28:33,427 --> 01:28:36,707
Speaker 6: to West Indies Cricket and then into Chelsea and I

1797
01:28:36,827 --> 01:28:39,307
Speaker 6: talked a lot with him. I met with Ben Ryan,

1798
01:28:39,427 --> 01:28:44,027
Speaker 6: you know, the former Fiji coach. Ben's at Brentford, so

1799
01:28:44,067 --> 01:28:46,187
Speaker 6: in November I went on. It was a bit of

1800
01:28:46,227 --> 01:28:48,507
Speaker 6: pd f im hones this pointy, but it was also

1801
01:28:49,107 --> 01:28:54,627
Speaker 6: see how those guys have integrated in and interestingly through

1802
01:28:54,667 --> 01:28:55,147
Speaker 6: a connection.

1803
01:28:55,987 --> 01:28:59,347
Speaker 7: I met with Mike Cave, who's a technical director. Really enjoyed.

1804
01:28:59,347 --> 01:29:00,907
Speaker 6: I had a couple of hours in London with Mike.

1805
01:29:01,107 --> 01:29:04,347
Speaker 6: Really enjoyed the conversation with him. And then I'd been

1806
01:29:04,427 --> 01:29:07,507
Speaker 6: asked to present at a Premier League conference and I

1807
01:29:07,547 --> 01:29:11,627
Speaker 6: went there and presented and Fabian Hurts, our head coach,

1808
01:29:12,347 --> 01:29:16,067
Speaker 6: presented as well, and he was a keynote and blew

1809
01:29:16,147 --> 01:29:18,467
Speaker 6: me away, you know, thirty two year old, youngest head

1810
01:29:18,507 --> 01:29:21,747
Speaker 6: coach in Premier League history. Talked a lot about culture,

1811
01:29:21,907 --> 01:29:25,187
Speaker 6: talked about the abs, he'd spent a lot of time on,

1812
01:29:25,587 --> 01:29:28,547
Speaker 6: you know, looking around what we do in legacy and

1813
01:29:28,627 --> 01:29:29,187
Speaker 6: belonging in.

1814
01:29:29,187 --> 01:29:29,747
Speaker 7: Books like that.

1815
01:29:31,107 --> 01:29:33,707
Speaker 6: And I met with him afterwards and I remember son

1816
01:29:33,747 --> 01:29:35,747
Speaker 6: to my wife, I've got a really good feeling about

1817
01:29:35,787 --> 01:29:39,027
Speaker 6: this place, good story. You know Brighton have come from

1818
01:29:40,147 --> 01:29:43,907
Speaker 6: well now they didn't have grounds. Tony our owner has

1819
01:29:43,987 --> 01:29:47,667
Speaker 6: invested heavily and you know they've got a great vision

1820
01:29:47,747 --> 01:29:50,987
Speaker 6: around challenging the establishment, the establishment being those.

1821
01:29:50,867 --> 01:29:54,307
Speaker 7: Big four or five teams. So you know that all

1822
01:29:54,347 --> 01:29:54,907
Speaker 7: came together.

1823
01:29:55,107 --> 01:29:59,547
Speaker 6: We had conversations and pretty much just after Christmas signed

1824
01:29:59,667 --> 01:30:04,107
Speaker 6: and so I'm here my wife and Daga due to

1825
01:30:04,147 --> 01:30:07,467
Speaker 6: come over in three months. And the other thing point

1826
01:30:07,507 --> 01:30:10,667
Speaker 6: he was, we've got some in the US. He's a college,

1827
01:30:11,107 --> 01:30:14,907
Speaker 6: he's our only child. He's actually finishing up his track

1828
01:30:14,947 --> 01:30:17,947
Speaker 6: and field scholarship there and looking at sort of Oxford

1829
01:30:18,067 --> 01:30:18,867
Speaker 6: or some options here.

1830
01:30:19,027 --> 01:30:22,027
Speaker 7: X ye. He's gone internship in London. So we've been apart.

1831
01:30:22,227 --> 01:30:25,187
Speaker 6: We're close family, and the opportunity to be close was

1832
01:30:25,187 --> 01:30:26,787
Speaker 6: going to be something that was going to be good for.

1833
01:30:26,867 --> 01:30:31,187
Speaker 4: Us, terrific. So your title is head of Player Development

1834
01:30:31,387 --> 01:30:34,507
Speaker 4: and High Performance. So what will that actually involve on

1835
01:30:34,587 --> 01:30:35,667
Speaker 4: a day to day basis?

1836
01:30:36,907 --> 01:30:41,387
Speaker 6: Yeah, look like any position description, it's probably more already

1837
01:30:41,467 --> 01:30:44,147
Speaker 6: from what I received what I do day to day.

1838
01:30:45,347 --> 01:30:47,787
Speaker 7: Look, and part of that's because of our openness.

1839
01:30:47,867 --> 01:30:51,787
Speaker 6: It's been better than I could have imagined in terms

1840
01:30:51,867 --> 01:30:56,147
Speaker 6: of the openness of the people across the organization. You know,

1841
01:30:56,267 --> 01:30:59,747
Speaker 6: from CEO Paul who's highly experienced, people with spurs and

1842
01:30:59,827 --> 01:31:03,987
Speaker 6: others to want to understand what I can bring around

1843
01:31:04,067 --> 01:31:08,867
Speaker 6: our environments, but also to about learning and listening and understanding.

1844
01:31:09,187 --> 01:31:13,307
Speaker 6: But the core pieces are how do we maximize individual

1845
01:31:13,347 --> 01:31:15,947
Speaker 6: plan development in our first team plans. So we've got

1846
01:31:15,987 --> 01:31:19,027
Speaker 6: a seventeen year old in Harry Hall who's you know,

1847
01:31:19,747 --> 01:31:22,387
Speaker 6: we need to put some work around, or a brother's

1848
01:31:22,427 --> 01:31:26,707
Speaker 6: Castulos who's eighteen, the young Greek guy who's a huge talent.

1849
01:31:27,107 --> 01:31:29,307
Speaker 6: We're a forty year old in James Milner who's the

1850
01:31:29,427 --> 01:31:32,507
Speaker 6: highest CAT Premier League player of all time and an

1851
01:31:33,027 --> 01:31:41,667
Speaker 6: incredible professional, phenomenal player. So it's about individualizing programs across

1852
01:31:42,187 --> 01:31:46,627
Speaker 6: tech TAC, physical, mental, off field and getting that right

1853
01:31:46,747 --> 01:31:48,747
Speaker 6: so they're support and we get the best out of them.

1854
01:31:49,387 --> 01:31:52,027
Speaker 6: And then the other parts are along with Fabian our

1855
01:31:52,067 --> 01:31:56,747
Speaker 6: head coach and like Cave the technical director, building a

1856
01:31:56,827 --> 01:31:59,627
Speaker 6: performance culture so it's a place where people not only

1857
01:31:59,667 --> 01:32:03,867
Speaker 6: our plans but our staff thrive. And thirdly, then broadly

1858
01:32:03,907 --> 01:32:07,947
Speaker 6: across the organization, growing capability of of staff and people

1859
01:32:08,907 --> 01:32:12,987
Speaker 6: in building a strategy area of the plant development, performance

1860
01:32:13,027 --> 01:32:13,707
Speaker 6: culture space.

1861
01:32:14,067 --> 01:32:17,867
Speaker 4: Really interested in the whole concept of a team culture.

1862
01:32:17,987 --> 01:32:20,107
Speaker 4: We hear a lot about the all Blacks culture. You've

1863
01:32:20,147 --> 01:32:23,227
Speaker 4: mentioned it, you were part of building it and enhancing it.

1864
01:32:23,827 --> 01:32:26,627
Speaker 4: How challenging is it to build culture in a team

1865
01:32:27,147 --> 01:32:30,227
Speaker 4: like Brighton and Hove Albion, a Premier League side with

1866
01:32:30,667 --> 01:32:33,907
Speaker 4: a bunch of different nationalities players who come in and

1867
01:32:34,027 --> 01:32:37,467
Speaker 4: then get sold off and move somewhere else. How challenging

1868
01:32:37,547 --> 01:32:40,707
Speaker 4: is it to build culture in an environment like that?

1869
01:32:42,107 --> 01:32:44,827
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're right, Polly, it is a huge challenge, you know,

1870
01:32:44,987 --> 01:32:48,947
Speaker 6: because of I suppose a fabric of New Zealand rugby

1871
01:32:48,987 --> 01:32:51,067
Speaker 6: and people like Gilbert and Oprah and others have been

1872
01:32:51,187 --> 01:32:52,947
Speaker 6: huge and in shaping that.

1873
01:32:54,347 --> 01:32:57,427
Speaker 7: What it's about is, I think the philosophy is still

1874
01:32:57,467 --> 01:32:59,187
Speaker 7: the same. You want when people come in.

1875
01:32:59,227 --> 01:33:01,947
Speaker 6: It's how we onboard them and make them feel part

1876
01:33:01,987 --> 01:33:05,467
Speaker 6: of the club so that they understand what we're about

1877
01:33:06,347 --> 01:33:08,987
Speaker 6: and that it's that this is a critical part of

1878
01:33:09,027 --> 01:33:12,187
Speaker 6: their dourney. So you know, we want them to maximize

1879
01:33:12,227 --> 01:33:15,347
Speaker 6: their time at the club, put everything that they can

1880
01:33:15,467 --> 01:33:18,227
Speaker 6: into it and again to use it all that phrase,

1881
01:33:18,267 --> 01:33:19,987
Speaker 6: we want them to leave a Jusey in a better place,

1882
01:33:20,067 --> 01:33:22,827
Speaker 6: whether it be three years, because look, it's no secret

1883
01:33:22,867 --> 01:33:27,467
Speaker 6: Brighton's business model was chase the talent and through Tony's

1884
01:33:27,547 --> 01:33:32,147
Speaker 6: company the numbers. It's very data driven around who we

1885
01:33:32,347 --> 01:33:35,267
Speaker 6: recruit and they get the best out of them and

1886
01:33:35,307 --> 01:33:38,627
Speaker 6: often sell them on for significant transfer fees. So you know,

1887
01:33:38,707 --> 01:33:41,227
Speaker 6: we want to still make sure that they're giving everything

1888
01:33:41,307 --> 01:33:43,187
Speaker 6: for this club and that when they leave and how

1889
01:33:43,267 --> 01:33:46,507
Speaker 6: we exit them, that they reflect really positively all the

1890
01:33:46,587 --> 01:33:49,387
Speaker 6: time with the club and for some that they love

1891
01:33:49,467 --> 01:33:51,627
Speaker 6: it the part of it. James Miller and Daddy Welbeck

1892
01:33:51,707 --> 01:33:55,107
Speaker 6: for example, forty year old, thirty five year old loving

1893
01:33:55,187 --> 01:33:57,187
Speaker 6: their time and they've been at some of the best

1894
01:33:57,227 --> 01:34:00,107
Speaker 6: clubs and one Champion League title and Premium League titles,

1895
01:34:00,667 --> 01:34:03,507
Speaker 6: and that they're contributing to the club. So you look,

1896
01:34:04,267 --> 01:34:07,587
Speaker 6: the I think the key part to the same. It's

1897
01:34:07,787 --> 01:34:10,427
Speaker 6: it is more challenging here. You wish you know, language

1898
01:34:10,907 --> 01:34:12,547
Speaker 6: is a challenge for some of our boys. It's not

1899
01:34:12,667 --> 01:34:16,867
Speaker 6: first language. Heaps of our staff learning or do speak

1900
01:34:17,027 --> 01:34:21,627
Speaker 6: multiple languages. I've just started Spanish purely because I want

1901
01:34:21,667 --> 01:34:22,787
Speaker 6: to have another language.

1902
01:34:22,907 --> 01:34:23,867
Speaker 7: Fabian speaks four.

1903
01:34:24,227 --> 01:34:27,187
Speaker 6: He can a team meeting, flip between four languages, which

1904
01:34:27,267 --> 01:34:30,147
Speaker 6: is massive respect to be able to do that, to

1905
01:34:30,267 --> 01:34:31,747
Speaker 6: have real impact on their players.

1906
01:34:31,867 --> 01:34:35,067
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible stuff. An elite sport mic, we often talk

1907
01:34:35,147 --> 01:34:38,667
Speaker 4: about about marginal gains. Where do you think the next

1908
01:34:39,027 --> 01:34:43,387
Speaker 4: big performance edge in elite sport is hiding? Where will

1909
01:34:43,427 --> 01:34:43,867
Speaker 4: it come from?

1910
01:34:44,627 --> 01:34:44,747
Speaker 18: Oh?

1911
01:34:44,907 --> 01:34:48,067
Speaker 7: Look, I think everyone's chasing the same stuff.

1912
01:34:48,267 --> 01:34:51,107
Speaker 6: We talk about innovation of the one percenters or you know,

1913
01:34:51,267 --> 01:34:54,547
Speaker 6: to use day brows with the marginal gaeds. But I

1914
01:34:54,707 --> 01:34:59,227
Speaker 6: still think the ability to create a performance environment where

1915
01:34:59,267 --> 01:35:02,867
Speaker 6: people thrive, whether it be staff and players, where they

1916
01:35:02,947 --> 01:35:06,667
Speaker 6: can perform it consistently, because that's the challenge for us

1917
01:35:06,707 --> 01:35:10,747
Speaker 6: because the margins. You know, you're a football fan, it's tough.

1918
01:35:11,027 --> 01:35:15,547
Speaker 6: I've watched us learning the game. I've watched us dominate

1919
01:35:15,667 --> 01:35:18,907
Speaker 6: games yet lose or draw them. Rugby is a little

1920
01:35:18,907 --> 01:35:21,747
Speaker 6: bit different in that scene. So I think that's the

1921
01:35:21,827 --> 01:35:24,987
Speaker 6: first piece. How we maximize the collective knowledge of the

1922
01:35:25,107 --> 01:35:29,187
Speaker 6: group is really important. You know. I think the difference

1923
01:35:29,267 --> 01:35:32,347
Speaker 6: I've seen already is in rugby and particularly the all

1924
01:35:32,387 --> 01:35:35,147
Speaker 6: Black City our super teams is it's a lot more

1925
01:35:35,307 --> 01:35:39,387
Speaker 6: player driven here at the moment, it's more coach led.

1926
01:35:39,907 --> 01:35:42,387
Speaker 6: So we're trying to shift that because ultimately the players

1927
01:35:42,387 --> 01:35:44,707
Speaker 6: are the ones who have to make decisions underpression on

1928
01:35:44,747 --> 01:35:45,147
Speaker 6: the field.

1929
01:35:45,827 --> 01:35:49,747
Speaker 7: So you know, and I still think that'd metal performance space.

1930
01:35:50,347 --> 01:35:53,667
Speaker 6: I think, you know, that is critical finding the right

1931
01:35:53,787 --> 01:35:56,307
Speaker 6: people to be able to work and deliver that space,

1932
01:35:56,347 --> 01:35:57,987
Speaker 6: build a relationship with the players.

1933
01:35:58,027 --> 01:36:00,787
Speaker 7: It happened to how do you get the best out

1934
01:36:00,827 --> 01:36:01,027
Speaker 7: of them?

1935
01:36:01,067 --> 01:36:05,627
Speaker 6: Because I think, you know, the physical numbers are so

1936
01:36:05,827 --> 01:36:07,987
Speaker 6: close down, our margins are so small. But I think

1937
01:36:08,027 --> 01:36:12,227
Speaker 6: that mindset, mental skills meant to performance. Executing under pressure

1938
01:36:12,747 --> 01:36:16,547
Speaker 6: consistently is probably the area, certainly the area we're going

1939
01:36:16,587 --> 01:36:18,507
Speaker 6: to look at. It's probably an area where lighted for

1940
01:36:18,587 --> 01:36:20,427
Speaker 6: all the resource we've got, and I've seen it in

1941
01:36:20,427 --> 01:36:23,787
Speaker 6: the US as well. I actually think at times that's

1942
01:36:23,787 --> 01:36:26,427
Speaker 6: something we do better in New Zealand as investment in

1943
01:36:26,507 --> 01:36:27,027
Speaker 6: that space.

1944
01:36:27,707 --> 01:36:30,867
Speaker 4: Looking back, Mike on your time with New Zealand Rugby,

1945
01:36:31,467 --> 01:36:32,547
Speaker 4: what are you proudest of?

1946
01:36:35,147 --> 01:36:37,867
Speaker 6: Look, it's easy to say being involved in World Cup

1947
01:36:37,907 --> 01:36:41,707
Speaker 6: winds and stuff, but for me, you know, seeing the

1948
01:36:41,827 --> 01:36:45,907
Speaker 6: transition of players through things like the twenties and staff.

1949
01:36:47,467 --> 01:36:48,227
Speaker 3: And go on.

1950
01:36:48,467 --> 01:36:51,067
Speaker 6: So they start a New Zealand schools Jersey to a

1951
01:36:51,107 --> 01:36:54,107
Speaker 6: twenties Jersey. You know, Davey McKinzie is somebody who I've

1952
01:36:54,147 --> 01:36:56,587
Speaker 6: worked with right through the ranks, and then to see

1953
01:36:56,627 --> 01:37:00,187
Speaker 6: them become All Black and then play well and perform

1954
01:37:00,347 --> 01:37:04,947
Speaker 6: consistently and just the people they are as well. You know,

1955
01:37:05,067 --> 01:37:07,467
Speaker 6: it's not just about a good rugby play. You know

1956
01:37:07,907 --> 01:37:11,907
Speaker 6: again phrase better people meet better All Blacks, It's true.

1957
01:37:12,907 --> 01:37:14,507
Speaker 6: You know, I look at the people I've met here

1958
01:37:14,587 --> 01:37:18,147
Speaker 6: already and that our player leaders be really engaging in

1959
01:37:18,267 --> 01:37:19,027
Speaker 6: a good beat.

1960
01:37:20,107 --> 01:37:22,027
Speaker 7: You know, they care about the game, they care about

1961
01:37:22,067 --> 01:37:22,427
Speaker 7: the team.

1962
01:37:23,147 --> 01:37:26,947
Speaker 6: So you know that that part for me, You know,

1963
01:37:27,067 --> 01:37:30,987
Speaker 6: the people I've worked with be really lucky, you know,

1964
01:37:31,067 --> 01:37:32,947
Speaker 6: the people I've worked with along the way and seeing

1965
01:37:32,987 --> 01:37:37,547
Speaker 6: the transition of them through roles and across the worldless

1966
01:37:37,587 --> 01:37:39,707
Speaker 6: if I was wrapped for Clark Laylor, you know, Clarky

1967
01:37:39,787 --> 01:37:42,907
Speaker 6: Simol and I've worked with closely doing a fantastic Jobatha

1968
01:37:42,987 --> 01:37:46,467
Speaker 6: Kenes just resigned of his SYGSTEM this morning. So I

1969
01:37:46,587 --> 01:37:50,747
Speaker 6: think just that people development pointing you know, results, I

1970
01:37:50,867 --> 01:37:54,387
Speaker 6: think that those relationships and the development of people that

1971
01:37:54,827 --> 01:37:57,187
Speaker 6: it stays with you a lot longer than a result.

1972
01:37:57,787 --> 01:38:01,187
Speaker 4: How healthy is the All Blacks High Performance system and

1973
01:38:01,347 --> 01:38:04,427
Speaker 4: the new Zealand rugby high performance system that you leave behind.

1974
01:38:05,587 --> 01:38:07,227
Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I know there's been a lot of talk

1975
01:38:07,307 --> 01:38:09,387
Speaker 6: around and there's a lot of change going on, and

1976
01:38:10,067 --> 01:38:11,427
Speaker 6: you know there are a number of us who have

1977
01:38:11,507 --> 01:38:13,627
Speaker 6: been there for a long time, you know, with Robbo,

1978
01:38:13,987 --> 01:38:18,387
Speaker 6: Chris Leandro Gilly there off to the NFL. There's a

1979
01:38:18,467 --> 01:38:20,547
Speaker 6: lot of rugby ip out the door. But you know

1980
01:38:20,667 --> 01:38:23,467
Speaker 6: it's in great heads with people like Dave Ready coming in.

1981
01:38:24,027 --> 01:38:26,907
Speaker 6: Obviously they're doing your search and will be recruiting for

1982
01:38:27,027 --> 01:38:27,907
Speaker 6: some of those roles.

1983
01:38:29,187 --> 01:38:30,947
Speaker 7: Look, it's tough pointing.

1984
01:38:30,987 --> 01:38:34,707
Speaker 6: You know, we are limited old resource, we're limited old money.

1985
01:38:34,827 --> 01:38:36,467
Speaker 6: We've got to feed a lot of mounts around the

1986
01:38:36,507 --> 01:38:39,707
Speaker 6: game and new seeing rugby. So it is challenging to

1987
01:38:39,987 --> 01:38:42,787
Speaker 6: still compete when you plan. Numbers are getting challenged because

1988
01:38:42,827 --> 01:38:46,787
Speaker 6: of the opportunities and other sport. I'd like to think,

1989
01:38:46,987 --> 01:38:49,507
Speaker 6: you know, while you can look at some things like

1990
01:38:49,627 --> 01:38:51,827
Speaker 6: twenties and sevens and things and say, oh, we're not

1991
01:38:52,067 --> 01:38:55,707
Speaker 6: succeeding like we used to, it is tougher to think

1992
01:38:56,267 --> 01:39:00,587
Speaker 6: other countries have got better programs from what they had

1993
01:39:00,667 --> 01:39:03,267
Speaker 6: in place and not necessarily seeing that better than ours.

1994
01:39:03,667 --> 01:39:07,347
Speaker 6: And I think ultimately we've got to still sure, particularly

1995
01:39:07,427 --> 01:39:13,027
Speaker 6: with Pathway, that it's development first versus winning now. And

1996
01:39:13,147 --> 01:39:16,587
Speaker 6: that's tough because everyone expects a team of black regardless

1997
01:39:16,627 --> 01:39:19,787
Speaker 6: of age and gender, that we should be winning.

1998
01:39:19,587 --> 01:39:20,107
Speaker 7: All the time.

1999
01:39:20,347 --> 01:39:22,907
Speaker 6: So I just hope we don't get hung up that

2000
01:39:23,067 --> 01:39:25,507
Speaker 6: we've got to win all that stuff because I high

2001
01:39:25,507 --> 01:39:28,027
Speaker 6: performance sport New Zealand, and we've shown that there's often

2002
01:39:28,507 --> 01:39:31,787
Speaker 6: not a correlation between winning Junior World Chance and later on.

2003
01:39:31,987 --> 01:39:34,547
Speaker 6: But I get at this talk around we'll does a

2004
01:39:34,667 --> 01:39:36,627
Speaker 6: black chusey lose aura with all those things.

2005
01:39:36,707 --> 01:39:39,947
Speaker 7: So I want to win like everyone else, but it

2006
01:39:40,107 --> 01:39:40,507
Speaker 7: is tough.

2007
01:39:40,707 --> 01:39:44,547
Speaker 6: So yeah, look, I feel we did all we could

2008
01:39:44,667 --> 01:39:46,947
Speaker 6: with what we've got. I'm sure those coming in will

2009
01:39:47,347 --> 01:39:49,707
Speaker 6: review all of that look at where they can it

2010
01:39:49,867 --> 01:39:53,187
Speaker 6: hurs the system, and look, I ultimately I'm a fan

2011
01:39:53,267 --> 01:39:54,947
Speaker 6: there and I just want to see how teams and

2012
01:39:55,027 --> 01:39:56,187
Speaker 6: black be really successful.

2013
01:39:56,707 --> 01:39:59,467
Speaker 4: And back to you, Mike, what still drives you? You've

2014
01:39:59,507 --> 01:40:01,907
Speaker 4: been doing this for a long time, you know, and

2015
01:40:02,067 --> 01:40:04,787
Speaker 4: you could easily have decided to button back, and I

2016
01:40:04,907 --> 01:40:08,067
Speaker 4: guess take it easy now that you've you've done all

2017
01:40:08,107 --> 01:40:10,107
Speaker 4: this work with New Zealand rugby. But this seems to me,

2018
01:40:10,227 --> 01:40:12,267
Speaker 4: this new role is one which is really going to

2019
01:40:12,547 --> 01:40:15,827
Speaker 4: going to test you and challenge you and and you know,

2020
01:40:15,987 --> 01:40:19,427
Speaker 4: consume you. What still drives you after more than twenty

2021
01:40:19,507 --> 01:40:21,467
Speaker 4: five years working in elite sport.

2022
01:40:22,667 --> 01:40:25,307
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had had a conversation with my wife, because

2023
01:40:25,307 --> 01:40:27,907
Speaker 6: she's very successful in the corporate world. I said, well,

2024
01:40:27,947 --> 01:40:30,187
Speaker 6: maybe I can put my feet up. I hope she's

2025
01:40:30,347 --> 01:40:34,107
Speaker 6: wants to flip it around the party to be feared. Look,

2026
01:40:34,267 --> 01:40:37,907
Speaker 6: this is really legized menus change. The last one has

2027
01:40:37,987 --> 01:40:40,947
Speaker 6: been phenomenal and is you know, like Eden. When the

2028
01:40:41,227 --> 01:40:43,187
Speaker 6: signing was an ounced over here, I said to Paul

2029
01:40:43,227 --> 01:40:45,707
Speaker 6: Stevens in the comms team, and he's a football fan,

2030
01:40:45,787 --> 01:40:48,427
Speaker 6: I said, my phone blew up. All my mates over

2031
01:40:48,467 --> 01:40:51,747
Speaker 6: here had taken greenshots. You know, the coverage around it.

2032
01:40:52,227 --> 01:40:55,027
Speaker 6: Certainly I got compared to clove Wood. Would the lack

2033
01:40:55,067 --> 01:40:59,547
Speaker 6: of success he head with South heapton? But yeah, look

2034
01:41:00,387 --> 01:41:04,187
Speaker 6: it's this is what I needed to have a crack

2035
01:41:04,227 --> 01:41:09,987
Speaker 6: at another sport and you know, see where I can

2036
01:41:10,027 --> 01:41:12,067
Speaker 6: add value. I don't just want to go to Brighton

2037
01:41:12,147 --> 01:41:15,387
Speaker 6: and sit there and just tuck it and go, well,

2038
01:41:15,547 --> 01:41:17,867
Speaker 6: we'll be all right as long as we recruit.

2039
01:41:17,947 --> 01:41:18,107
Speaker 7: Well.

2040
01:41:18,467 --> 01:41:20,747
Speaker 6: I want to make a real difference, build a legacy

2041
01:41:20,867 --> 01:41:24,187
Speaker 6: with this club and have some success. You know, we're

2042
01:41:24,227 --> 01:41:27,307
Speaker 6: planning on being here for some time. I said, you know,

2043
01:41:27,467 --> 01:41:30,387
Speaker 6: like we've sold up. We're moving everything here, including the dog.

2044
01:41:30,507 --> 01:41:35,187
Speaker 6: And we lived here for five years in two thousand

2045
01:41:35,227 --> 01:41:39,507
Speaker 6: and four and loved it. Brighton's a cool spot because

2046
01:41:39,587 --> 01:41:42,627
Speaker 6: up in the downs running today it's beautiful. So yeah,

2047
01:41:43,267 --> 01:41:45,907
Speaker 6: really really excited about the change, and feel really good

2048
01:41:45,907 --> 01:41:46,787
Speaker 6: about this place.

2049
01:41:47,227 --> 01:41:49,227
Speaker 4: So if we're talking in a year, and I hope

2050
01:41:49,227 --> 01:41:51,387
Speaker 4: we are, I hope we can catch up again down

2051
01:41:51,467 --> 01:41:53,667
Speaker 4: the track. Or what will success look like for you,

2052
01:41:53,867 --> 01:41:55,787
Speaker 4: Mike in this role in the first let's say a

2053
01:41:55,867 --> 01:41:56,267
Speaker 4: year or so.

2054
01:41:57,147 --> 01:41:57,347
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2055
01:41:57,387 --> 01:42:00,787
Speaker 6: Look, I think firstly that we've got players who are

2056
01:42:00,987 --> 01:42:05,387
Speaker 6: more self reliant, that their programs are holistic in the

2057
01:42:06,547 --> 01:42:09,547
Speaker 6: enhancing them to deliver performance on the field, but also

2058
01:42:09,627 --> 01:42:10,547
Speaker 6: grow them off the field.

2059
01:42:11,187 --> 01:42:11,307
Speaker 7: Uh.

2060
01:42:11,787 --> 01:42:14,067
Speaker 6: You know, we've got a team culture that's robust where

2061
01:42:14,107 --> 01:42:18,467
Speaker 6: people people are holding people to account, you know we are,

2062
01:42:18,827 --> 01:42:20,147
Speaker 6: but we're having fun along the way.

2063
01:42:20,187 --> 01:42:23,427
Speaker 7: There's a nice balance to it. That's that's that.

2064
01:42:24,907 --> 01:42:28,067
Speaker 6: I want to qualify for Europe. You know, like everyone

2065
01:42:28,507 --> 01:42:30,787
Speaker 6: you know, this team is good at it's really tight.

2066
01:42:30,827 --> 01:42:34,867
Speaker 6: A middle of the table at the moment. It might

2067
01:42:34,947 --> 01:42:37,227
Speaker 6: be a late run this year, but certainly each year.

2068
01:42:37,907 --> 01:42:40,387
Speaker 6: You know, if we can get things right. This team

2069
01:42:40,987 --> 01:42:43,547
Speaker 6: certainly got the capability. So you want to play the

2070
01:42:43,587 --> 01:42:45,747
Speaker 6: best teams in the world, don't you. And it's the

2071
01:42:45,867 --> 01:42:49,747
Speaker 6: best football competition in the world. So if we can

2072
01:42:49,867 --> 01:42:54,307
Speaker 6: do that in the obviously just the time with the family,

2073
01:42:54,427 --> 01:42:56,787
Speaker 6: that connection back with our son and so it will

2074
01:42:56,867 --> 01:42:59,747
Speaker 6: be you know, from away from the football will be

2075
01:42:59,787 --> 01:43:00,427
Speaker 6: really important.

2076
01:43:00,667 --> 01:43:02,907
Speaker 4: And now that you're out of the All Blacks environment,

2077
01:43:03,147 --> 01:43:04,907
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess like all of us, you'll always

2078
01:43:04,947 --> 01:43:06,827
Speaker 4: be an All Blacks fan now you mean it before,

2079
01:43:06,827 --> 01:43:09,347
Speaker 4: and I reckon you'll go watching the All Blacks from

2080
01:43:09,347 --> 01:43:11,907
Speaker 4: a seat in the stand, just like a normal fan.

2081
01:43:14,827 --> 01:43:19,187
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know how. I still think

2082
01:43:19,227 --> 01:43:19,907
Speaker 7: I'll get teens.

2083
01:43:19,947 --> 01:43:23,227
Speaker 6: And it's interesting because I love the Premier League crowds,

2084
01:43:23,267 --> 01:43:25,867
Speaker 6: like we played Sunderland away and the working forty seven thousand.

2085
01:43:25,947 --> 01:43:29,427
Speaker 6: It's good fans, but we quiet them down early because

2086
01:43:29,467 --> 01:43:35,467
Speaker 6: we dominated position, et cetera. And it's our fans. You know,

2087
01:43:35,547 --> 01:43:37,027
Speaker 6: when you go to a black food scam, there's a

2088
01:43:37,027 --> 01:43:38,907
Speaker 6: bit more energy and excite and I hope we can

2089
01:43:39,267 --> 01:43:44,627
Speaker 6: get their pointy, So yeah, look, I'll be wanting them

2090
01:43:44,667 --> 01:43:46,827
Speaker 6: to win. I'll be certainly when they're in this part

2091
01:43:46,867 --> 01:43:48,867
Speaker 6: of the world trying to get to matches where it

2092
01:43:48,947 --> 01:43:52,027
Speaker 6: can tie in. I'm sure we get plenty of visitors

2093
01:43:52,107 --> 01:43:54,507
Speaker 6: down this way when that career over.

2094
01:43:54,707 --> 01:43:56,787
Speaker 7: So yeah, look, it will be different.

2095
01:43:57,227 --> 01:43:59,627
Speaker 6: You probably don't have as much invested about what's going

2096
01:43:59,707 --> 01:44:01,667
Speaker 6: to happen on midday or what the papers are going.

2097
01:44:01,627 --> 01:44:04,507
Speaker 7: To say, but football is exactly the same. It's just

2098
01:44:04,587 --> 01:44:07,987
Speaker 7: a different you know, the go as hard as as

2099
01:44:09,387 --> 01:44:10,267
Speaker 7: our leadia of hope.

2100
01:44:10,387 --> 01:44:12,947
Speaker 4: I bet they do. Mike, it's been great to catch up.

2101
01:44:12,987 --> 01:44:16,827
Speaker 4: Congratulations on this new role. It sounds very exciting, totally

2102
01:44:16,867 --> 01:44:19,187
Speaker 4: invigorating for you and as you've said, you're a totally

2103
01:44:19,307 --> 01:44:21,427
Speaker 4: energized by it, so we'll look forward to seeing how

2104
01:44:21,507 --> 01:44:23,787
Speaker 4: you go. Thanks for joining us across New Zealand and

2105
01:44:23,787 --> 01:44:24,987
Speaker 4: all the best for what lies ahead.

2106
01:44:25,467 --> 01:44:26,667
Speaker 7: Thanks Boily Pleasure.

2107
01:44:26,867 --> 01:44:29,067
Speaker 4: I've been great chatting to you, Mike. Thanks indeed. Mike Anthony,

2108
01:44:29,187 --> 01:44:32,347
Speaker 4: former head of high Performance with New Zealand Rugby, now

2109
01:44:32,467 --> 01:44:36,067
Speaker 4: leading player development and high performance at Brighton and Hove

2110
01:44:36,107 --> 01:44:40,107
Speaker 4: Albion in the English Premier League. Twelve rather two twenty

2111
01:44:40,187 --> 01:44:43,347
Speaker 4: eight to twenty eight thirty seven withoutlast, New Zealand having

2112
01:44:43,427 --> 01:44:47,227
Speaker 4: been sent into bats against South Africa in christ Jets.

2113
01:44:47,267 --> 01:44:49,627
Speaker 4: There's coming towards the end of the seventh over. Susie

2114
01:44:49,667 --> 01:44:52,467
Speaker 4: Bates and Georgia Plummet have opened the batting together and

2115
01:44:52,547 --> 01:44:54,587
Speaker 4: a nice solid start in the first of these three

2116
01:44:54,747 --> 01:44:57,547
Speaker 4: One day internationals. We'll take a break when we come back.

2117
01:44:57,667 --> 01:45:00,307
Speaker 4: It's to the Wellington Phoenix Women. They take on Western

2118
01:45:00,347 --> 01:45:04,147
Speaker 4: Sydney this afternoon in Pottydoer. The Premier's plate is still

2119
01:45:04,267 --> 01:45:06,947
Speaker 4: there in their sites, Emma Pine and Berg out of

2120
01:45:06,987 --> 01:45:10,427
Speaker 4: their engine room. The football ferns in Phoenix Midfield are

2121
01:45:10,427 --> 01:45:10,707
Speaker 4: with us.

2122
01:45:10,907 --> 01:45:14,867
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2123
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2124
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2125
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2126
01:45:23,667 --> 01:45:26,067
Speaker 4: Women are on the verge of history. They have secured

2127
01:45:26,107 --> 01:45:29,347
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2128
01:45:29,827 --> 01:45:32,947
Speaker 4: at the Women's A League Premier's plate if they win

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Speaker 4: their final two regular season matches. The first of those

2130
01:45:36,067 --> 01:45:40,027
Speaker 4: is this afternoon against the Western Sydney Wanderers at Pottydoor Park,

2131
01:45:40,147 --> 01:45:43,907
Speaker 4: kickoff at four. Wellington Phoenix midfielder Emma Pinenberg is with

2132
01:45:44,067 --> 01:45:47,107
Speaker 4: us ahead of this game. Finals football secure for the

2133
01:45:47,187 --> 01:45:49,947
Speaker 4: first time in club history for the women. Emm I

2134
01:45:49,987 --> 01:45:51,707
Speaker 4: have bigger moment with that for the playing group.

2135
01:45:52,467 --> 01:45:54,547
Speaker 18: I mean the team has never made the finals, so

2136
01:45:54,627 --> 01:45:56,347
Speaker 18: I think since the start of the season that was

2137
01:45:56,827 --> 01:45:58,987
Speaker 18: a big push. So the first thing you want to achieve,

2138
01:45:59,147 --> 01:46:02,067
Speaker 18: and then once you get that, it's like looking further.

2139
01:46:02,387 --> 01:46:03,787
Speaker 18: But yeah, that was always the first goal.

2140
01:46:04,187 --> 01:46:06,427
Speaker 4: There's still a chance obviously that you can win the

2141
01:46:06,827 --> 01:46:09,067
Speaker 4: premieers played if you win your last two matches, does

2142
01:46:09,147 --> 01:46:11,747
Speaker 4: it kind of almost give these these last two games

2143
01:46:11,747 --> 01:46:13,307
Speaker 4: a bit of a finals feel?

2144
01:46:14,787 --> 01:46:16,907
Speaker 18: Yeah. I think we selt that last week as well

2145
01:46:17,107 --> 01:46:20,547
Speaker 18: with the two games, like everything feels like a final.

2146
01:46:20,707 --> 01:46:22,747
Speaker 18: Every team is fighting for the end of their season,

2147
01:46:23,147 --> 01:46:26,027
Speaker 18: but to make playoffs for to win every game feels

2148
01:46:26,067 --> 01:46:26,907
Speaker 18: like a final. From now.

2149
01:46:27,507 --> 01:46:30,907
Speaker 4: The Mariners on Wednesday night a disappointing defeat over there.

2150
01:46:31,347 --> 01:46:34,627
Speaker 4: What have been the main takeaways from the review of

2151
01:46:34,707 --> 01:46:35,107
Speaker 4: that match.

2152
01:46:37,147 --> 01:46:39,747
Speaker 18: Yeah, we played, we didn't play at our best, like

2153
01:46:39,827 --> 01:46:41,747
Speaker 18: we didn't play our game as well, and we missed

2154
01:46:41,747 --> 01:46:46,907
Speaker 18: a couple of tactical and maybe some mentality pointers. We've

2155
01:46:46,947 --> 01:46:48,667
Speaker 18: reviewed that and we know what we have to do

2156
01:46:48,987 --> 01:46:49,827
Speaker 18: today for the game.

2157
01:46:50,347 --> 01:46:52,627
Speaker 4: There was a bright spot at the end though, stunning

2158
01:46:52,667 --> 01:46:55,907
Speaker 4: free kick from Macy Fraser, who's who's been you know,

2159
01:46:56,027 --> 01:46:59,307
Speaker 4: integrated back into the squad after her mental health break.

2160
01:46:59,707 --> 01:47:02,067
Speaker 4: How important might she be for you at the back

2161
01:47:02,147 --> 01:47:03,667
Speaker 4: end of the season if she can keep doing that.

2162
01:47:05,747 --> 01:47:08,387
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's really great to see Macie playing some more

2163
01:47:08,427 --> 01:47:11,387
Speaker 18: games and obviously an amazing goal. We know that she

2164
01:47:11,507 --> 01:47:13,227
Speaker 18: can hit a really good free kick, so that was

2165
01:47:13,227 --> 01:47:15,867
Speaker 18: awesome to see. Yeah, she's a great player and it's

2166
01:47:15,987 --> 01:47:17,627
Speaker 18: nice to have her back and she can be really

2167
01:47:17,627 --> 01:47:18,227
Speaker 18: important for us.

2168
01:47:18,267 --> 01:47:18,547
Speaker 10: I think.

2169
01:47:19,147 --> 01:47:21,827
Speaker 4: So when you think about the game today and obviously

2170
01:47:21,947 --> 01:47:25,187
Speaker 4: next weekend against Adelaide, is it just about winning the

2171
01:47:25,307 --> 01:47:28,107
Speaker 4: game any way that you can or is there still

2172
01:47:28,867 --> 01:47:33,067
Speaker 4: a desire to stay true to the team's football principles.

2173
01:47:35,587 --> 01:47:37,947
Speaker 18: I mean, it's important to win, and I think when

2174
01:47:38,027 --> 01:47:41,507
Speaker 18: we play, but when we play like our style and

2175
01:47:41,867 --> 01:47:44,467
Speaker 18: the way we can, that's how we get our best

2176
01:47:44,507 --> 01:47:46,507
Speaker 18: results anyway, So they kind of go hand in hand.

2177
01:47:47,267 --> 01:47:48,827
Speaker 18: But yeah, towards the end of the season, you just

2178
01:47:49,027 --> 01:47:50,027
Speaker 18: you need to get the point.

2179
01:47:50,107 --> 01:47:52,307
Speaker 3: So that's the most important tell.

2180
01:47:52,227 --> 01:47:55,227
Speaker 4: Us about your decision Emma to come to Wellington at

2181
01:47:55,267 --> 01:47:57,387
Speaker 4: the back end of last year and how that move

2182
01:47:57,467 --> 01:47:57,907
Speaker 4: came about.

2183
01:47:59,827 --> 01:48:01,907
Speaker 18: So I was playing at Faynoid in the Netherlands but

2184
01:48:02,147 --> 01:48:05,067
Speaker 18: not really getting consistent minutes and in the midfield. I

2185
01:48:05,147 --> 01:48:08,387
Speaker 18: just wanted to have like, yeah, some consistency there, and

2186
01:48:08,547 --> 01:48:11,627
Speaker 18: obviously there was a very good coach and so when

2187
01:48:11,667 --> 01:48:14,267
Speaker 18: I knew that opportunity was there, I just took it.

2188
01:48:14,627 --> 01:48:15,747
Speaker 18: It seemed like the right thing to do.

2189
01:48:16,147 --> 01:48:18,307
Speaker 4: How do you reflect on your time in the Netherlands.

2190
01:48:20,347 --> 01:48:23,667
Speaker 18: We also's for three years and I'm half Dutch, so

2191
01:48:23,947 --> 01:48:26,547
Speaker 18: it wasn't like a completely feign country to me, but

2192
01:48:26,747 --> 01:48:29,667
Speaker 18: like going home a little bit as well. Yeah, it's

2193
01:48:29,707 --> 01:48:32,787
Speaker 18: really cool, it's some really nice Yeah.

2194
01:48:32,707 --> 01:48:35,667
Speaker 4: It's playing overseas again, something that that you're ambitious about.

2195
01:48:35,907 --> 01:48:38,427
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the current nature of your contract

2196
01:48:38,467 --> 01:48:40,467
Speaker 4: in Wellington is, but but are you keen to play

2197
01:48:40,587 --> 01:48:43,587
Speaker 4: overseas again or might we see you in a Wellington

2198
01:48:44,427 --> 01:48:45,427
Speaker 4: shirt for a bit longer?

2199
01:48:46,787 --> 01:48:47,187
Speaker 8: We'll see.

2200
01:48:47,227 --> 01:48:48,987
Speaker 18: My contract at the moment is just to the end

2201
01:48:48,987 --> 01:48:51,867
Speaker 18: of the season that I haven't decided yet what to

2202
01:48:51,947 --> 01:48:53,907
Speaker 18: do for next season that.

2203
01:48:53,987 --> 01:48:56,187
Speaker 4: Can all come. I suppose let's talk about this season.

2204
01:48:56,427 --> 01:48:59,347
Speaker 4: How do you assess the role you've played. I mean,

2205
01:48:59,387 --> 01:49:01,427
Speaker 4: you're getting regular minute c J Bodd as we know,

2206
01:49:02,147 --> 01:49:04,067
Speaker 4: you know, great news for her with you know, with

2207
01:49:04,227 --> 01:49:07,987
Speaker 4: her pregnancy, but obviously that's that's you know, opened up

2208
01:49:07,987 --> 01:49:09,747
Speaker 4: a place there and you've slaughtered in really well. Are

2209
01:49:09,747 --> 01:49:10,707
Speaker 4: you happy with the way you go?

2210
01:49:12,067 --> 01:49:12,227
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2211
01:49:12,307 --> 01:49:14,467
Speaker 18: Yeah, obviously losing CJ was quite big for the team.

2212
01:49:15,627 --> 01:49:18,427
Speaker 18: It's really nice to her though, as you said, yeah,

2213
01:49:18,427 --> 01:49:20,347
Speaker 18: I think I struggled a bit at the start, just

2214
01:49:20,427 --> 01:49:22,947
Speaker 18: getting used to the different style compared to what I

2215
01:49:23,027 --> 01:49:25,667
Speaker 18: was playing over in Europe. I think I've improved and now,

2216
01:49:25,787 --> 01:49:30,107
Speaker 18: like with my consistent and let's have definitely yeah, been

2217
01:49:30,147 --> 01:49:31,267
Speaker 18: a bit more important to the team.

2218
01:49:31,627 --> 01:49:33,187
Speaker 4: Was there an adjustment to make two in terms of

2219
01:49:33,267 --> 01:49:35,467
Speaker 4: as you say, you know, your limit, your minutes had

2220
01:49:35,467 --> 01:49:37,827
Speaker 4: been a bit limited at Fine or coming back. I mean,

2221
01:49:37,867 --> 01:49:41,427
Speaker 4: you're playing I know initially it was you know, manage minutes,

2222
01:49:41,427 --> 01:49:43,667
Speaker 4: so I guess, but you're playing, you know a lot

2223
01:49:43,707 --> 01:49:45,427
Speaker 4: of minutes. Has that been an adjustment as well?

2224
01:49:47,267 --> 01:49:47,467
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2225
01:49:47,507 --> 01:49:49,667
Speaker 18: I mean just game fitness in general. I hadn't played

2226
01:49:49,787 --> 01:49:53,307
Speaker 18: a nineteen minute game in quite a while so and

2227
01:49:53,427 --> 01:49:56,547
Speaker 18: now we've got two or three games like every every

2228
01:49:56,627 --> 01:49:59,347
Speaker 18: week or every ten days, so that takes them getting

2229
01:49:59,387 --> 01:50:01,427
Speaker 18: used to. But I think the staff here a really

2230
01:50:01,427 --> 01:50:03,747
Speaker 18: good at managing the minutes and making sure everyone's getting

2231
01:50:03,747 --> 01:50:05,907
Speaker 18: on the field, so has a mere problem so far.

2232
01:50:06,347 --> 01:50:08,667
Speaker 4: You talked about Bev Priestman before, and she's made a

2233
01:50:08,747 --> 01:50:12,387
Speaker 4: massive impact on the football club and it seems anyway

2234
01:50:12,427 --> 01:50:17,707
Speaker 4: on individual players too. What in particular have you taken

2235
01:50:17,747 --> 01:50:18,787
Speaker 4: from her coaching.

2236
01:50:20,147 --> 01:50:23,347
Speaker 18: I actually think her communication and like player management has

2237
01:50:23,387 --> 01:50:26,667
Speaker 18: really stood out to me. Yeah, just like the way

2238
01:50:26,787 --> 01:50:29,427
Speaker 18: that she makes the whole team feel like they're important

2239
01:50:29,547 --> 01:50:32,267
Speaker 18: and whatever role that you're playing on the game day,

2240
01:50:32,347 --> 01:50:34,467
Speaker 18: like she makes sure that you know that the team

2241
01:50:34,587 --> 01:50:36,707
Speaker 18: values you and what you bring. So that's been really

2242
01:50:36,827 --> 01:50:37,427
Speaker 18: special for me.

2243
01:50:37,867 --> 01:50:39,787
Speaker 4: And you've also been a regular member of the Football

2244
01:50:39,827 --> 01:50:42,507
Speaker 4: Ferns in the past year or so, since debuting at

2245
01:50:42,547 --> 01:50:45,267
Speaker 4: the start of twenty twenty five. How much are you

2246
01:50:45,307 --> 01:50:48,427
Speaker 4: thinking about next month's final couple of World Cup qualifiers

2247
01:50:48,667 --> 01:50:51,027
Speaker 4: and the chance of going to a World Cup with

2248
01:50:51,147 --> 01:50:52,467
Speaker 4: New Zealand next year.

2249
01:50:53,507 --> 01:50:56,227
Speaker 18: Obviously super special like qualifying for the World Cup, as

2250
01:50:56,347 --> 01:50:58,307
Speaker 18: everyone wants to go to a World Cup, so it

2251
01:50:58,347 --> 01:51:01,587
Speaker 18: will be super important to win those games. Then to

2252
01:51:01,667 --> 01:51:03,427
Speaker 18: do it in New Zealand and Aucklyn will be really

2253
01:51:03,467 --> 01:51:03,827
Speaker 18: cool too.

2254
01:51:04,427 --> 01:51:06,067
Speaker 4: And the majority of your games for New Zealand have

2255
01:51:06,147 --> 01:51:08,347
Speaker 4: been and an impact role off the bench. How can

2256
01:51:08,387 --> 01:51:10,787
Speaker 4: now you to really push for a starting role with

2257
01:51:10,867 --> 01:51:11,707
Speaker 4: the football Ferns.

2258
01:51:12,787 --> 01:51:15,107
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think it's it's a privilege, like whatever you

2259
01:51:15,187 --> 01:51:17,747
Speaker 18: can play with the national team is very special, but

2260
01:51:18,187 --> 01:51:21,067
Speaker 18: to start games would obviously be really cool. So I've

2261
01:51:21,107 --> 01:51:22,867
Speaker 18: got things I need to work on myself and I

2262
01:51:22,987 --> 01:51:24,827
Speaker 18: know what I need to improve, So as long as

2263
01:51:24,827 --> 01:51:27,027
Speaker 18: I keep focusing on that, I think those other things will.

2264
01:51:26,907 --> 01:51:30,867
Speaker 4: Come and just back to Wellington to finish. How much

2265
01:51:30,947 --> 01:51:34,067
Speaker 4: belief is there, Emma within the playing squad that you

2266
01:51:34,147 --> 01:51:36,867
Speaker 4: know that this might be something really special, not just

2267
01:51:36,987 --> 01:51:40,707
Speaker 4: making finals but actually actually winning some silverware at the

2268
01:51:40,787 --> 01:51:41,267
Speaker 4: end of it all.

2269
01:51:42,587 --> 01:51:44,987
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think it's all like uncharted territory for this

2270
01:51:45,107 --> 01:51:47,147
Speaker 18: club at the moment, like we've never got this far,

2271
01:51:47,307 --> 01:51:49,267
Speaker 18: so it's just a really special feeling in the team,

2272
01:51:49,427 --> 01:51:51,907
Speaker 18: like we know that we can achieve something really special.

2273
01:51:52,787 --> 01:51:54,787
Speaker 18: And yeah, there's everyone has that belief.

2274
01:51:54,827 --> 01:51:56,547
Speaker 4: So it's really cool to be a part of well

2275
01:51:56,627 --> 01:51:59,187
Speaker 4: the next step along the path is Western Sydney this afternoon.

2276
01:51:59,227 --> 01:52:01,067
Speaker 4: Really appreciate you taking the time for a chat. Emma.

2277
01:52:01,067 --> 01:52:02,467
Speaker 4: All the best for today and for the rest of

2278
01:52:02,507 --> 01:52:05,307
Speaker 4: the season. Thank you, Thank you, Emma, Emma Pinenberg. There

2279
01:52:05,307 --> 01:52:09,107
Speaker 4: from Wellington Phoenix's women's side, four o'clock this afternoon, pottyto

2280
01:52:09,147 --> 01:52:11,067
Speaker 4: a park, massive game, win it and then they put

2281
01:52:11,107 --> 01:52:13,627
Speaker 4: themselves in the position to win the Premier's Plate. They

2282
01:52:13,667 --> 01:52:15,267
Speaker 4: then have to win their last game of the season,

2283
01:52:15,307 --> 01:52:18,747
Speaker 4: which is on Good Friday against Adelaide United, and hope

2284
01:52:19,027 --> 01:52:22,187
Speaker 4: that Melbourne City lose to Newcastle. If those things happen,

2285
01:52:22,707 --> 01:52:26,187
Speaker 4: then Wellington Phoenix will win the Women's premiers Plate. Regardless,

2286
01:52:26,227 --> 01:52:29,347
Speaker 4: they will play finals football for the very first time.

2287
01:52:29,667 --> 01:52:32,107
Speaker 4: Twenty one away from three going to Talk Motorsport shortly.

2288
01:52:32,147 --> 01:52:34,587
Speaker 4: The Japanese Grand Prix is later on tonight six o'clock.

2289
01:52:35,267 --> 01:52:38,107
Speaker 4: Just back twenty four hours this time. Yesterday we played

2290
01:52:38,387 --> 01:52:42,987
Speaker 4: a sporting chance, as we will do at around about

2291
01:52:43,027 --> 01:52:45,707
Speaker 4: that time every Saturday on the show, and we gave

2292
01:52:45,787 --> 01:52:49,227
Speaker 4: our winner, his name was Stuart, three options to choose from.

2293
01:52:49,307 --> 01:52:52,747
Speaker 4: He chose cam Royguard to score a try at any

2294
01:52:52,827 --> 01:52:55,387
Speaker 4: point of the game yesterday against the reds Well. Three

2295
01:52:55,467 --> 01:52:58,907
Speaker 4: minutes into the game, Camroyguard dots down. Stuart's a happy man.

2296
01:52:58,987 --> 01:53:01,107
Speaker 4: He's won some money. It will appear in his bank

2297
01:53:01,147 --> 01:53:03,867
Speaker 4: account at some stage in the next little while courtesy

2298
01:53:03,907 --> 01:53:06,627
Speaker 4: of the tab. So well done, Stuart thought of you

2299
01:53:06,787 --> 01:53:09,547
Speaker 4: yesterday when cam roy Guard dotted down. You didn't have

2300
01:53:09,587 --> 01:53:12,107
Speaker 4: to wait very long for those for those winnings to

2301
01:53:12,187 --> 01:53:14,867
Speaker 4: come in, and you're and for your prediction to prove

2302
01:53:14,947 --> 01:53:18,467
Speaker 4: to be a very very sensible one twenty to three.

2303
01:53:18,547 --> 01:53:20,867
Speaker 4: Back in a sec talking motorsport with Alex Powell out

2304
01:53:20,907 --> 01:53:21,787
Speaker 4: of the New Zealand Herald.

2305
01:53:22,227 --> 01:53:25,307
Speaker 2: No TMO, no drs, just your call.

2306
01:53:25,427 --> 01:53:28,667
Speaker 1: On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with

2307
01:53:28,907 --> 01:53:32,987
Speaker 1: Jason Pie and GJ Gardners, New Zealand's most trusted home

2308
01:53:33,027 --> 01:53:33,907
Speaker 1: builder News Talks.

2309
01:53:33,907 --> 01:53:36,427
Speaker 4: There'd be seventeen away from three the Japanese Formula one

2310
01:53:36,507 --> 01:53:39,867
Speaker 4: Grand Prix tonight from six. Liam Lawson will start fourteenth

2311
01:53:40,107 --> 01:53:44,067
Speaker 4: on the grid New Zealand Herald Motorsport expert Alex Powell's

2312
01:53:44,107 --> 01:53:46,427
Speaker 4: and studio with us. Alex, thanks for taking the time,

2313
01:53:46,507 --> 01:53:50,867
Speaker 4: Liam Lawson. Suffering front wing damage in qualifying, can you

2314
01:53:50,947 --> 01:53:53,027
Speaker 4: tell us about that and how much it hurt his

2315
01:53:53,187 --> 01:53:54,707
Speaker 4: chances in qualifying afternoon.

2316
01:53:54,747 --> 01:53:56,427
Speaker 17: Piney, Well, I mean that's kind of a thing, is

2317
01:53:56,467 --> 01:53:58,347
Speaker 17: that we can't really tell you what happened. There was

2318
01:53:58,387 --> 01:54:01,147
Speaker 17: an unexplained incident that's happened in the second stage of

2319
01:54:01,227 --> 01:54:03,187
Speaker 17: qualifying last night. So he got through the first stage

2320
01:54:03,267 --> 01:54:05,947
Speaker 17: just find for you as well. Eleventh and then they

2321
01:54:06,027 --> 01:54:08,827
Speaker 17: got and there was somehow he's picked up damage on

2322
01:54:08,867 --> 01:54:11,507
Speaker 17: his front wing, which meant they had to quickly change

2323
01:54:11,547 --> 01:54:13,107
Speaker 17: it out to a new one. But that from the

2324
01:54:13,187 --> 01:54:15,547
Speaker 17: second front wing was not calibrated at all, so that

2325
01:54:15,787 --> 01:54:17,627
Speaker 17: really did slim down. He missed out by I think

2326
01:54:17,707 --> 01:54:20,147
Speaker 17: four tenths of the second from getting into the top ten.

2327
01:54:20,507 --> 01:54:24,427
Speaker 4: So fourteenth on the grid Suzuka, how easy or not

2328
01:54:24,867 --> 01:54:27,507
Speaker 4: is it to overtake on and what will that mean

2329
01:54:28,067 --> 01:54:29,267
Speaker 4: for his race strategy.

2330
01:54:29,667 --> 01:54:31,387
Speaker 17: It's a really funny one. This year we're saying this

2331
01:54:31,547 --> 01:54:34,307
Speaker 17: with all the tracks, with the new regulations, like last year,

2332
01:54:34,547 --> 01:54:37,507
Speaker 17: Suzuka was not an easy track to overtake on. So

2333
01:54:37,507 --> 01:54:39,107
Speaker 17: I think I went back and counted it and there

2334
01:54:39,187 --> 01:54:42,107
Speaker 17: was fifteen overtakes throughout the whole race after the first lap,

2335
01:54:42,387 --> 01:54:44,227
Speaker 17: which is next to nothing. So that's part of why

2336
01:54:44,267 --> 01:54:46,387
Speaker 17: they've brought these new regulations and to try and make

2337
01:54:46,427 --> 01:54:49,147
Speaker 17: it a bit more competitive. I don't know what's going

2338
01:54:49,227 --> 01:54:50,987
Speaker 17: to happen. I don't know how much the new battery

2339
01:54:51,067 --> 01:54:53,707
Speaker 17: is going to come into effect. Fourteenth is not a

2340
01:54:53,787 --> 01:54:56,307
Speaker 17: good place to start at leam Lawson does have a

2341
01:54:56,387 --> 01:54:58,907
Speaker 17: pretty tough day on his hands here if he can't

2342
01:54:58,987 --> 01:55:00,827
Speaker 17: make his way up the field on that first lap.

2343
01:55:01,107 --> 01:55:04,147
Speaker 4: You mentioned the regulation changes, and I'm quite keen to

2344
01:55:04,187 --> 01:55:07,747
Speaker 4: chat to you about those. The intent of them was

2345
01:55:08,267 --> 01:55:10,827
Speaker 4: it to bring the field back together? Was that the intent?

2346
01:55:11,187 --> 01:55:11,787
Speaker 4: There's part of that.

2347
01:55:11,907 --> 01:55:15,107
Speaker 17: They also they're a bit more environmentally conscious now Formulae,

2348
01:55:15,227 --> 01:55:18,267
Speaker 17: so they're moving away from the sort of the combustion

2349
01:55:18,387 --> 01:55:21,187
Speaker 17: engine towards more of a hybrid. They're wanting sustainable fuels.

2350
01:55:21,627 --> 01:55:23,907
Speaker 17: I think you know, I mean you Living and Willington

2351
01:55:23,907 --> 01:55:25,827
Speaker 17: would know this. But younger people do tend to be

2352
01:55:25,907 --> 01:55:28,627
Speaker 17: quite interested in climate change, so I think Formula one

2353
01:55:28,667 --> 01:55:32,467
Speaker 17: are looking at being more sustainable in that regard. But

2354
01:55:32,547 --> 01:55:35,467
Speaker 17: you're right, it sort of has thrown a whole spanner

2355
01:55:35,507 --> 01:55:38,787
Speaker 17: in the works. I know, maxistappins furious because the car

2356
01:55:38,867 --> 01:55:42,027
Speaker 17: that they've built just hasn't adapted to these new regulations.

2357
01:55:42,107 --> 01:55:44,787
Speaker 17: We're seeing drivers lose power on straights and that's not

2358
01:55:45,107 --> 01:55:46,587
Speaker 17: what you want. You want to be going as fast

2359
01:55:46,587 --> 01:55:47,947
Speaker 17: as you can. You want to be pushing the limit.

2360
01:55:48,627 --> 01:55:52,547
Speaker 17: And we're really seeing teams struggle, you know, not not

2361
01:55:52,667 --> 01:55:54,907
Speaker 17: being able to give their drivers cars that they're used to.

2362
01:55:55,027 --> 01:55:57,027
Speaker 17: Like it will even out eventually, like the Mercedes aren't

2363
01:55:57,027 --> 01:55:59,627
Speaker 17: complaining because they're so far out in front. But it

2364
01:55:59,707 --> 01:56:01,547
Speaker 17: does just take getting used to that always does.

2365
01:56:01,947 --> 01:56:04,787
Speaker 4: And yeah, just on that then, So I haven't heard.

2366
01:56:04,787 --> 01:56:06,787
Speaker 4: And I think Maxistap has even set them. Look at

2367
01:56:06,787 --> 01:56:10,627
Speaker 4: me a shopping trillie. I'll drive that well. His superb

2368
01:56:10,907 --> 01:56:15,427
Speaker 4: driving ability, his genius as a driver eventually allow him

2369
01:56:16,107 --> 01:56:17,187
Speaker 4: to drive this car better.

2370
01:56:18,187 --> 01:56:20,147
Speaker 17: I honestly don't know. I think this is a real

2371
01:56:20,347 --> 01:56:23,107
Speaker 17: question doing its way through the sport. Now, will Max

2372
01:56:23,187 --> 01:56:25,267
Speaker 17: for Stap and just throw in the towel. He's not

2373
01:56:25,467 --> 01:56:26,987
Speaker 17: the kind of guy that's going to be like a

2374
01:56:27,067 --> 01:56:29,427
Speaker 17: Lewis Hamilton or a Fernando Alance so were you're driving

2375
01:56:29,467 --> 01:56:32,027
Speaker 17: into your forties. If he feels like he's had enough,

2376
01:56:32,227 --> 01:56:33,787
Speaker 17: he might just walk away, like he brought up his

2377
01:56:33,867 --> 01:56:36,627
Speaker 17: two hundred threce a couple of years ago and got asked,

2378
01:56:36,867 --> 01:56:38,227
Speaker 17: are you going to do two hundred more and he

2379
01:56:38,307 --> 01:56:41,667
Speaker 17: said definitely not. So does he want to still be

2380
01:56:41,707 --> 01:56:43,987
Speaker 17: doing this? We know he does like endurance racing, he

2381
01:56:44,107 --> 01:56:46,747
Speaker 17: does do other forms of motorsport that he's very passionate about.

2382
01:56:46,787 --> 01:56:48,387
Speaker 17: So I mean if he throws in the towel at

2383
01:56:48,387 --> 01:56:50,507
Speaker 17: the end of the year, I would not be surprised.

2384
01:56:50,587 --> 01:56:50,787
Speaker 3: Wow.

2385
01:56:50,907 --> 01:56:54,667
Speaker 4: Interesting. Can he Intonelli on pole? Another impressive qualifying for him?

2386
01:56:55,787 --> 01:56:57,787
Speaker 4: Is he a genuine title contender?

2387
01:56:58,027 --> 01:56:58,227
Speaker 8: Yep?

2388
01:56:58,587 --> 01:57:00,707
Speaker 17: One hundred percent? Both of those Mercedes cars. Are you

2389
01:57:00,747 --> 01:57:03,067
Speaker 17: feel for George Russell? He's been patient for years. He's

2390
01:57:03,107 --> 01:57:05,547
Speaker 17: been stuck by in Lewis Hamilton, he's been up against

2391
01:57:05,587 --> 01:57:07,667
Speaker 17: Max for stapp and he's had to watch the McLaren's did.

2392
01:57:07,707 --> 01:57:09,627
Speaker 7: He raced with Lando.

2393
01:57:09,387 --> 01:57:12,507
Speaker 17: Norris right through his junior career and now his name

2394
01:57:12,787 --> 01:57:14,987
Speaker 17: was underline this year. This is the guy to beat

2395
01:57:15,027 --> 01:57:17,387
Speaker 17: because there are some very clever people at Mercedes. Every

2396
01:57:17,427 --> 01:57:19,747
Speaker 17: time there is a regulations changed today, normally are the

2397
01:57:19,787 --> 01:57:22,107
Speaker 17: ones out in front of it. But now he's being

2398
01:57:22,187 --> 01:57:25,147
Speaker 17: surpassed by a nineteen year old you know, I say surpassed.

2399
01:57:25,427 --> 01:57:29,587
Speaker 17: He's finished first in one race, but Kemie Antonelli looks

2400
01:57:29,707 --> 01:57:31,747
Speaker 17: the real deal. Like he did have a tough year

2401
01:57:31,827 --> 01:57:34,227
Speaker 17: last year, which happens when you throw an eighteen year

2402
01:57:34,227 --> 01:57:36,867
Speaker 17: old into Formula One, but Mercedes faith it and does

2403
01:57:36,947 --> 01:57:39,947
Speaker 17: seem to actually be completely justified McLaren.

2404
01:57:40,067 --> 01:57:43,307
Speaker 4: I see their third and fifth on the grid PS

2405
01:57:43,347 --> 01:57:46,507
Speaker 4: three third, Lando Norris defending champion of course, fifth on

2406
01:57:46,547 --> 01:57:48,827
Speaker 4: the grid? Is it pstre He hasn't even completed a

2407
01:57:48,907 --> 01:57:50,987
Speaker 4: lap this year? Has He's had all sorts of troubles.

2408
01:57:51,067 --> 01:57:55,067
Speaker 17: Yeah, it was sort of when would McLaren actually catch up?

2409
01:57:55,107 --> 01:57:57,707
Speaker 17: So they've got a Mercedes engine which we know is

2410
01:57:57,827 --> 01:58:01,507
Speaker 17: probably the dominant POWE unit at the moment. It's been

2411
01:58:01,587 --> 01:58:03,827
Speaker 17: surprising to see the struggles that McLaren have had. Did

2412
01:58:03,867 --> 01:58:05,507
Speaker 17: you sort of have to ask yourself? Did they just

2413
01:58:05,587 --> 01:58:07,987
Speaker 17: put every thing into last year? They knew that was

2414
01:58:08,027 --> 01:58:10,507
Speaker 17: their chance to finish in the top of the constructors

2415
01:58:10,547 --> 01:58:12,987
Speaker 17: and top of the drivers, which they did. But good

2416
01:58:13,027 --> 01:58:15,227
Speaker 17: to see them actually now towards the front of the field.

2417
01:58:15,267 --> 01:58:18,467
Speaker 17: Like I don't think anyone's near Mercedes over a race distance,

2418
01:58:18,667 --> 01:58:21,627
Speaker 17: but I think today is going to be if Oscopiastro

2419
01:58:21,707 --> 01:58:23,227
Speaker 17: can get out in front of one of those two

2420
01:58:23,707 --> 01:58:26,067
Speaker 17: Mercedes cars on the first lap, I think he will.

2421
01:58:26,067 --> 01:58:26,547
Speaker 3: Just hold on.

2422
01:58:27,107 --> 01:58:29,147
Speaker 4: But if he doesn't, is are we looking at Mercedes

2423
01:58:29,187 --> 01:58:29,507
Speaker 4: one two?

2424
01:58:30,587 --> 01:58:34,227
Speaker 17: I'd say that's probably the likeliest outcome, depending on, you know,

2425
01:58:34,347 --> 01:58:36,267
Speaker 17: if there's rain or if there's you know, some sort

2426
01:58:36,267 --> 01:58:39,267
Speaker 17: of crazy red flag. But Mercedes won two from here

2427
01:58:39,427 --> 01:58:41,907
Speaker 17: until you know, and I mean, we've got four or

2428
01:58:41,947 --> 01:58:44,107
Speaker 17: five weeks off after this race because there's nothing in

2429
01:58:44,867 --> 01:58:46,587
Speaker 17: the Middle East due to the conflict going on there.

2430
01:58:46,987 --> 01:58:48,827
Speaker 17: So teams just do have the green light to do

2431
01:58:49,027 --> 01:58:51,387
Speaker 17: whatever they want to try and get some sort of

2432
01:58:51,427 --> 01:58:53,747
Speaker 17: advantage in their cars and catch Mercedes. But we really

2433
01:58:53,827 --> 01:58:54,827
Speaker 17: just don't know, okay.

2434
01:58:54,947 --> 01:58:56,667
Speaker 4: And so for Liam Lawson then a lot has to

2435
01:58:56,747 --> 01:58:59,227
Speaker 4: go his way for him to get into the points.

2436
01:58:59,627 --> 01:59:01,667
Speaker 4: What sort of things do need to go his way

2437
01:59:01,947 --> 01:59:03,227
Speaker 4: for him to get into the points?

2438
01:59:03,627 --> 01:59:05,067
Speaker 17: Well, I think if you asked him, he'd say, it'll

2439
01:59:05,067 --> 01:59:08,227
Speaker 17: be amazing if it could rain. He's brilliant in the

2440
01:59:08,267 --> 01:59:12,147
Speaker 17: wet Yeah, but yeah, yea. So he two weeks ago

2441
01:59:12,187 --> 01:59:14,347
Speaker 17: in China, now he was in a similar position in

2442
01:59:14,467 --> 01:59:16,267
Speaker 17: both the Sprint and the Grand Prix and just had

2443
01:59:16,427 --> 01:59:18,707
Speaker 17: teams and other drivers struggle off the start line like

2444
01:59:18,787 --> 01:59:20,547
Speaker 17: he did in Melbourne, and he was able to actually

2445
01:59:20,587 --> 01:59:22,747
Speaker 17: get into the top ten and finished seventh in both races,

2446
01:59:23,147 --> 01:59:24,987
Speaker 17: So something like that, and that it's not guaranteed that

2447
01:59:25,027 --> 01:59:26,827
Speaker 17: that will happen, but it's also not one hundred percent

2448
01:59:26,947 --> 01:59:28,987
Speaker 17: that all teams have fixed whatever issues are on the

2449
01:59:29,027 --> 01:59:33,587
Speaker 17: start line with the new batteries. So basically it's Suzuka.

2450
01:59:33,707 --> 01:59:35,627
Speaker 17: It's so narrow you can't really able to take. It's

2451
01:59:35,627 --> 01:59:38,707
Speaker 17: probably second to Monaco now and being difficult to overtake on,

2452
01:59:38,867 --> 01:59:41,907
Speaker 17: but it's basically basically going to come from drivers in

2453
01:59:41,907 --> 01:59:42,787
Speaker 17: front of them just having a.

2454
01:59:42,787 --> 01:59:46,107
Speaker 4: Shoka okay okay in general terms, not just on this track,

2455
01:59:46,227 --> 01:59:48,947
Speaker 4: but in general terms. Is he a good overtaker?

2456
01:59:49,947 --> 01:59:54,067
Speaker 17: Well, so, Liam's junior career was very much built on aggression,

2457
01:59:54,187 --> 01:59:57,227
Speaker 17: on being late, breaking into corners and just attacking other drivers,

2458
01:59:57,267 --> 01:59:59,547
Speaker 17: But in since he's been an F one, his defensive

2459
01:59:59,627 --> 02:00:01,747
Speaker 17: side of it has really been what's impressed me. You

2460
02:00:01,787 --> 02:00:04,107
Speaker 17: remember last year in Austria, you know, he had that

2461
02:00:04,147 --> 02:00:05,947
Speaker 17: first lap accident and then he had Fernando a lot

2462
02:00:05,987 --> 02:00:08,427
Speaker 17: so behind them for sixty six out of seventy two

2463
02:00:08,507 --> 02:00:10,587
Speaker 17: last right and he couldn't get near him, you know,

2464
02:00:10,907 --> 02:00:13,427
Speaker 17: So to hold off a guy who's won two world championships.

2465
02:00:13,507 --> 02:00:16,347
Speaker 17: That's brilliant. Last World last race in China, he had

2466
02:00:16,387 --> 02:00:18,827
Speaker 17: his hagar behind him for the last part on with

2467
02:00:18,987 --> 02:00:19,787
Speaker 17: a tire advantage.

2468
02:00:20,427 --> 02:00:22,227
Speaker 8: So that's that's the part.

2469
02:00:22,427 --> 02:00:24,867
Speaker 17: Like he It's really difficult for me to not be

2470
02:00:24,947 --> 02:00:26,787
Speaker 17: too biased here because I've covered Liams and he was

2471
02:00:26,827 --> 02:00:29,307
Speaker 17: seventeen years old and seen you know, his whole career

2472
02:00:29,387 --> 02:00:32,627
Speaker 17: at this level. But he he you do get the film.

2473
02:00:32,707 --> 02:00:35,107
Speaker 17: He is starting to become the complete driver and we

2474
02:00:35,227 --> 02:00:36,067
Speaker 17: saw that in China.

2475
02:00:37,507 --> 02:00:41,107
Speaker 4: Just finally, just on Lindblood his new teammate Aarvid Lindblad,

2476
02:00:41,147 --> 02:00:44,507
Speaker 4: the only rookie on the grid this year, right, he's

2477
02:00:44,547 --> 02:00:46,747
Speaker 4: out qualified Liam and this one will start tenth on

2478
02:00:46,787 --> 02:00:49,827
Speaker 4: the grid to Liam's fourteenth. How crucial is it that

2479
02:00:50,027 --> 02:00:53,067
Speaker 4: Liam outqualifies Limblaod more often than the other way around.

2480
02:00:53,387 --> 02:00:55,627
Speaker 17: I mean, that's that's the first thing of motorsport is

2481
02:00:55,787 --> 02:00:57,827
Speaker 17: do you beat your teammate? You know, it's the closest

2482
02:00:57,827 --> 02:01:00,867
Speaker 17: comparison point. You're in the same machinery. Limb Blad's a

2483
02:01:00,867 --> 02:01:03,267
Speaker 17: funny one because we thought, you know, being a rookie,

2484
02:01:03,347 --> 02:01:04,947
Speaker 17: he will be all right at the stroggers, But then

2485
02:01:04,987 --> 02:01:07,387
Speaker 17: we got to Melbourne, and it actually turns out he does.

2486
02:01:07,467 --> 02:01:09,587
Speaker 17: He actually have an advantage because all the other cars

2487
02:01:09,747 --> 02:01:11,427
Speaker 17: and all the other drivers, sorry, he've had to unlearn

2488
02:01:11,507 --> 02:01:14,027
Speaker 17: everything they know to take into these new cars, whereas

2489
02:01:14,107 --> 02:01:16,387
Speaker 17: this is the only reality that Lindblad's ever had, so

2490
02:01:16,547 --> 02:01:18,627
Speaker 17: he does just have a blank page to go from.

2491
02:01:19,147 --> 02:01:21,547
Speaker 4: Lights out at six over the court. Lights out. That's

2492
02:01:21,587 --> 02:01:22,867
Speaker 4: how they start these races, isn't it?

2493
02:01:22,907 --> 02:01:23,107
Speaker 8: Mate?

2494
02:01:23,107 --> 02:01:23,587
Speaker 17: You want a job?

2495
02:01:24,227 --> 02:01:26,627
Speaker 4: Lights out away we go six o'clock, six o'clock. Good

2496
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Speaker 4: on your mate. Things Indeed, Alex Powell read him at

2497
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2498
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Speaker 4: and the lead up and his review afterwards available for

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Speaker 4: you to check out. Nine Away from three News Talks EDB,

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Speaker 1: Names and the big calls on your home of Sport

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Fine.

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Speaker 4: News Talks EDB Coming up six Away from three, Just

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Speaker 4: updating you from the ODI happening at Hagleyoval and christ Church.

2505
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Speaker 4: White Ferns against South Africa. White Ferns Sentence about there

2506
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Speaker 4: fifty eight for one in the thirteenth over Sushi Bits

2507
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Speaker 4: is the batter out for twenty Georgia Plumber twenty seven

2508
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Speaker 4: unbeaten Melli Kur the captain out there on six fifty

2509
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Speaker 4: eight for one, fifty eight for one in the thirteenth over,

2510
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Speaker 4: batting first against South Africa in the first of three

2511
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Speaker 4: One day internationals. That pretty much brings an end to

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Speaker 4: Weekend Sport for today and for the weekend. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for listening in to beverages on your radio

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Speaker 4: after three o'clock with the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective.

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Speaker 4: Huge thanks to Mark Kelly for running the cutter over

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Speaker 4: the last couple of days. Get well soon, Andy McDonald,

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Speaker 4: look forward to seeing you back on deck at some

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Speaker 4: point in the near future. Taking us out today well

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Speaker 4: with your whites in studio today and an action tomorrow

2520
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Speaker 4: night against Chili at Eden Park. A bit a white noise,

2521
02:02:42,627 --> 02:02:44,107
Speaker 4: that's what we need to send this team off to

2522
02:02:44,147 --> 02:02:46,387
Speaker 4: the World Cup, some white noise. Hope you can get

2523
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Speaker 4: there tomorrow night. Might see you that, If not see

2524
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Speaker 4: you next weekend Fife an hour.

2525
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Speaker 18: All that I'm hear it from.

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Speaker 2: You its wide noise.

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Speaker 5: All that I'm hear it from you, It's wide noise.

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Speaker 2: Why no.

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Speaker 7: No.

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