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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's hither Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected new Stalk.

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Speaker 1: Said b.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Coming up today. Uber has

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Speaker 3: lost the contractor's case again, this time in the Court

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Speaker 3: of Appeal. They're going to go to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to the business to New Zealand

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Speaker 3: guys about what's what this means for other contractors nationwide.

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Speaker 3: The New Zealand golf community on Lydia Coe's miracle run

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Speaker 3: and Cabinet has just announced a package to sort out

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Speaker 3: the electricity sector. We'll talk to the Energy Minister, Simeon.

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Speaker 1: Brown, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: We'll get again the world's smallest drama about Carmel Seppoloni

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Speaker 3: going off to film celebrity Treasure Island is kicking off

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Speaker 3: and this time it's about whether she should have pocketed

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Speaker 3: her pay as an MP while away from work and

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Speaker 3: while on the show. And she gets a fair amount

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Speaker 3: of money. I'm something over two hundred thousand dollars or whatever.

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Speaker 3: But regardless of the sum, here's the question. When you

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Speaker 3: take a holiday from work, do you get paid yeah,

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Speaker 3: most of us do. So think that settles that then

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Speaker 3: she's more than entitle to it. Really, what this is

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Speaker 3: actually not even really a debate about whether she should

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Speaker 3: keep her money. This is just another excuse for the

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Speaker 3: winges to have a winge about an MP. On the

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Speaker 3: other side, you cannot winge about Carmel Sepaloni going off

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Speaker 3: to do Celebrity Treasure Island. If you didn't winge about

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Speaker 3: David Seymore doing Dancing with the Stars, and that was fine,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it. I totally take it. The circumstances are different.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's taken from what we can tell. We

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Speaker 3: don't know for sure, but it sounds like two weeks

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Speaker 3: off the job completely right. She's away from the office,

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Speaker 3: not even on the phone. Just buy gone. He took

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Speaker 3: time too, even though he was still working. That dance

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Speaker 3: schedule is pretty grueling and time consuming. Now, I've had

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Speaker 3: friends do the show and it takes a lot of

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Speaker 3: So even if you're still popping your head in the

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Speaker 3: here's the thing I actually think we need to get

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Speaker 3: used to our politicians doing this kind of cringey stuff

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Speaker 3: on TV because it's pr for them. It's media attention

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Speaker 3: that oxygen to politicians, and these shows reach an audience

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Speaker 3: that sometimes politicians can't reach it all. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: guarantee you there were a whole bunch of people turning

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Speaker 3: up or tuning in to Celebrity Treasure Island who've never

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Speaker 3: heard of Carmel before. So that's catnip to an MP,

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Speaker 3: and complaining about an MP wanting to go on TV

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Speaker 3: is like complaining about a kiddie eating cake. It's in

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Speaker 3: their nature they're going to want to do it. So

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Speaker 3: I think actually we should expect more of this and

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Speaker 3: probably just get used to it and maybe not winge

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Speaker 3: to see on TV. Ever, do for Sea two is

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Speaker 3: the text number STATD TXT fees. Supply we'll talk to

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Speaker 3: the huddle about it later on. Now, there is quite

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Speaker 3: a bit of wet weather going on at the moment.

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Speaker 3: The Lower North Island and parts of the South Island

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Speaker 3: have been thrashed by heavy rain and flooding today and

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Speaker 3: more is yet to come. Is a major slip blocking

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Speaker 3: Waterways and Carpety and Portado are now a big concern

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Speaker 3: because more heavy rain is expected over the next few hours.

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Speaker 3: Met Service meteorologist Lewis Ferris is with us now, Hey.

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Speaker 4: Lewis, Kyoto. Just a very busy start to this working

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you expecting in Wellington yet to come?

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Speaker 4: Well, it does look like the heaviest of the rain

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Speaker 4: but it's not going to be that same sort of widespread,

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Speaker 4: But there is still further rain onto those saturated soils,

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Speaker 4: still looking very unsettled in terms of weather fronts coming

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Speaker 3: Lewis, what is it about the rain that fell in

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Speaker 3: So why did this cause so much trouble?

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Speaker 4: It was just the intensity of it. So it was

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Speaker 4: with seeing that high intensity rainfall over a sort of

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Speaker 4: especially waterways come up very quickly. Yes, you're right, Wellington

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Speaker 3: Lewis, what about the West coast, are they going to

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Speaker 4: Not really just with us very active weather pattern coming

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Speaker 4: from the west that does look like Graymouth will probably

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Speaker 4: But if they are going to see more rain this week,

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Speaker 3: Lewis, thanks for that, man, I really appreciate it. That's

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Speaker 3: Lewis Ferris met Service meteorologists. Now. Graymouse District Council says

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Speaker 3: cut off will remain cut off for the rest of

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Speaker 3: the evening for tonight. Power fortunately in the area is

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Speaker 3: back on and Graymouse Mayor Tania Gibson is with us Heitania.

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: How big is the slip?

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's a pretty big one, really, and you know

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Speaker 5: it's at the moment it's still moving, So we're just

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Speaker 3: Right and if it's still moving, that means as long

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Speaker 5: Really a yes, well, at the moment they have started clearing,

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Speaker 3: Hey, I heard your house got struck by lightning? Is

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Well it was a bit of a fright last night.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't a major, but yes, there was. We wondered

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Speaker 5: what it was. We thought the roof might be coming off,

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Speaker 5: and I think this was the same quick squall that

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Speaker 5: try and find where that smell was coming from. On,

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Speaker 5: no way, is that not a major?

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Speaker 3: How did you know, Tanya that something had gone wrong?

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Speaker 3: Was it the smell of the burning or was there

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Speaker 5: There was a flash and it was kind of to that. Well,

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Speaker 5: it did the roof in it and everything was shaking

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Speaker 5: and it was like a really violent squall that come through,

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Speaker 5: and I believe that's the same time as aren't It

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Speaker 5: typs lost power and had to slip, So it's yeah,

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Speaker 5: and then the burning smell.

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Speaker 3: Did you get a sparky round?

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, I think we're think someone around someone's taking

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Speaker 7: Checking that out.

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Speaker 5: But it wasn't a major But the poor people are

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Speaker 5: Aren't Tights are way more affected.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Okay, listen these guys, the fifty homes that

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, and I know that some of the contractors

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Speaker 5: we're all in contact with the residents. If they need

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Speaker 5: anything like medication that you know, it can be arranged

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Speaker 5: for the contractors to take that up. But for anything

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Speaker 5: that's non essential, I think they're pretty right. We're in

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Speaker 5: close contact. But yeah, they just need to kind of

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Tanya, listen, thank you appreciate it. Best of

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Speaker 3: luck with that. That's Tanya Gibson, Graymouth, mayor A. Her

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Speaker 3: house got struck by lightning. That just makes the Maureen

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Speaker 3: one of your big problems. Hither. The big news on

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Speaker 3: Carmel was actually that politicians have unlimited leave. Carmel just

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Speaker 3: needed permission and that's what anno people. Ah yeah, do

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Speaker 3: you know what though, it's not really unlimited levers to a,

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Speaker 3: think that Simon Brown's got unlimited leave at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't even know if Simon

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Speaker 3: So I think it's more of an indication of just

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Speaker 3: need those people around. Let's be honest, Carmel is doing

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Speaker 3: more work in her electorate than she is in the

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Speaker 3: in the house at the moment to sport, I didn't

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Speaker 3: realize this, But if you've been if you've been waiting

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Speaker 3: for the ABS spring Box games, you'll have noticed by

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Speaker 3: now that they are a really annoying time in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the night. For us. It's about three am

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Speaker 3: it's at that annoying time in this obviously stands to reason,

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Speaker 3: the afternoon. But what I didn't realize is that playing

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Speaker 3: because joe Burg is so dangerous at night. They want

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Speaker 3: to make sures sure that the fans can leave Alice

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Speaker 3: Park while it's still daylight and get home safely cool place,

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Speaker 3: a really awesome why don't you move there? Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Is Lydia Coe? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: When you're playing he's drinking now you're thinking about me

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: OLLI get a heather, OLLI are these gunmen still on

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Speaker 10: Now what has happened overnight in Paramatta is that aub

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Speaker 10: was shot and out. Suv was then found engulfed in

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Speaker 10: flames a short time later, so the car had been

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Speaker 10: stolen and then the evidence obviously.

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Speaker 8: Torched and lit up.

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Speaker 10: Police say that he lived and died by the sword,

441
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Speaker 10: but they're worried about what this might mean in terms

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Speaker 10: of retribution for the Western Sydney gangs that are in operation.

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Speaker 10: And obviously everybody in that part of Australia is on

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Speaker 10: high alerts.

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Speaker 3: So do they know how many gunmen there are?

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Speaker 10: No, they believe there's two, so they've got at least

447
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Speaker 10: one and they believe there's another one at least who

448
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Speaker 10: is on the run at the moment, So multiple gunmen,

449
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Speaker 10: they're saying on the run at the moment. But I

450
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Speaker 10: think all of these people are known to police, and

451
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Speaker 10: this is almost like another series of Underbelly unfolding before

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Speaker 10: our eyes.

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Speaker 3: White. That's exactly what I thought. I mean, we're going

454
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Speaker 3: to watch this on TV in about five years.

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Speaker 8: Up, Yeah, we will, absolutely.

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Speaker 10: I mean the first series was really good. I like

457
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Speaker 10: to watch in the first series, so you know, I'm

458
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Speaker 10: not that we really want this to happen, but yeah,

459
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Speaker 10: now we're watching it finding.

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Speaker 3: Though, isn't there if these bad guys are going to

461
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Speaker 3: take each other out like this, at least there's some

462
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Speaker 3: entertainment in it for.

463
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Speaker 10: Us exactly, and get rid of each other and hopefully

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Speaker 10: the gangs are destroyed in the process.

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Speaker 3: You're too right now, the right to disconnect laws are

466
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Speaker 3: coming in today. What are you guys expecting?

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't know how much changes. So here's the

468
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Speaker 10: example that they make. Right If you work in retail,

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Speaker 10: for example, and the boss sees that when you left

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Speaker 10: the store, you left the lights on, you left the

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Speaker 10: computer on, and you forgot to lock up. If he

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Speaker 10: then went to or she went to ring you to say,

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Speaker 10: oh Ollie, Heather, you forgot.

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Speaker 3: To do all this, that's fine. No ways are gonna make.

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Speaker 10: The call, but or send the email. If say you

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Speaker 10: wanted to send an email to say, hey, I'm thinking

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Speaker 10: next Friday we might actually get some donuts and some

478
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Speaker 10: sandwiches for the office, then you wouldn't have to reply

479
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Speaker 10: to that. You could say, you know what, that's unreasonable.

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Speaker 10: Why are you contacting me out of hours because you

481
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Speaker 10: want to talk about sandwiches in ten days time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So look, it's you know, I think basically if you.

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Speaker 10: Use common sense you'll be okay with this. But you

484
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Speaker 10: know we're going to see obviously, you know business counsel

485
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Speaker 10: in Australia at the moment saying this is the end

486
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Speaker 10: of productivity. You know, workers have all their riots.

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Speaker 3: It's terrible.

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Speaker 10: Then you obviously here from the other side, my boss

489
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Speaker 10: can't call me anymore outside of hour. It's like, oh wait, boss,

490
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to answer the call. You can get stuffed.

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Speaker 3: So you could just see how there are going to

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Speaker 3: be all these obnoxious employees who are going to do

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Speaker 3: stuff like this, right, it's just going to add another headache.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely it is. And you know what, in the end,

495
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Speaker 10: if you want to get somewhere in the world, if

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Speaker 10: you want to work hard, if you want to take

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Speaker 10: some calls outside of hours, that's what you're gonna do

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Speaker 10: because you want to earn more money.

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Speaker 3: So what do you have to do now if you

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Speaker 3: want to be the guy who is on call and

501
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Speaker 3: available and diligent, do you have to opt into taking

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Speaker 3: phone calls? No, you still can.

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Speaker 10: And similarly if you're a ca So if you're a

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Speaker 10: casual and you get a phone call from the boss

505
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Speaker 10: to say, hey, can you come and work another shift?

506
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Speaker 10: And he's obviously reasonable, So there is still again you

507
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Speaker 10: know what, it's the common sense or the pub test

508
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Speaker 10: rule that you need to apply to this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now how much of a job has this airline on?

510
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Speaker 3: Bardsman got on their hands.

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Speaker 10: Good luck and you reckon they're going to have any

512
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Speaker 10: teeth or power to cut through like ultimately, I mean,

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Speaker 10: it all sounds good in theory, and the idea is

514
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Speaker 10: your planes delayed, you're going to get a full refund,

515
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Speaker 10: or you're going to be put in a hotel overnight

516
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Speaker 10: and get some food vouchers. I mean basically, it's doing

517
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Speaker 10: what airlines used to do ten years ago and bringing

518
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Speaker 10: back that good will. The one thing that's really interesting

519
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Speaker 10: and I know that regional express. He's obviously gone into administration.

520
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Speaker 10: They're not flying between capital cities anymore. But for the

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Speaker 10: five minutes they did that, all of a sudden, Virgin

522
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Speaker 10: and Jetstar reduce their airfares between twenty and thirty percent. So, look,

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Speaker 10: it can be done in terms of competition, and it

524
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Speaker 10: can be done. I suppose if enough Australians arc up

525
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Speaker 10: and say they're frustrated with this. But ultimately I think

526
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Speaker 10: it's telling Virgin and Quantus here in Australia to pull

527
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Speaker 10: up their socks, provide customer service, provide adequate compensation if

528
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Speaker 10: flights are delayed or canceled as a result of whatever

529
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Speaker 10: the reason is. And if there's going to be a problem,

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Speaker 10: they'll take it the ombts minute. Then they'll get a

531
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Speaker 10: big slab on the wrist and everyone will keep complaining

532
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Speaker 10: more than that exactly.

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Speaker 3: For more, don't you, Ollie?

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Speaker 11: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Oli Peterson six pr Perth life present

536
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Speaker 3: on that business aboutquant to selling these tickets. Now what

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Speaker 3: I was reading is so they've sold, just to recap

538
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Speaker 3: what I was saying before, three hundred first class seats

539
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Speaker 3: for a huge discount, and in some cases the discount

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Speaker 3: was like eighty five percent. Now I didn't see any

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Speaker 3: evidence of that, but I saw one chap had paid

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Speaker 3: for a ticket first class from Sydney to LA and

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Speaker 3: back again, and that had cost him four thousand, seven

544
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Speaker 3: hundred New Zealand dollars. And for what I could see,

545
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Speaker 3: that flight would normally cost around twenty one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: There's not quite an eighty five percent discount. But hey,

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Speaker 3: that's not bad. Ah, that's it's getting close. I suppose

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Speaker 3: to eighty five percent or thereabouts, be about seventy five

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Speaker 3: percent discount. Anyway, I would do it, wouldn't you You

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Speaker 3: just basically you just do a Carmel Sepeloni. Wouldn't it

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Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks You'd be like, bye, first

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Speaker 3: class tickets, Off I go. Anyway. I am fascinated by

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Speaker 3: how different companies react when they accidentally sell something in

554
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Speaker 3: this online era where where they price at the wrong thing,

555
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Speaker 3: and how it goes and then you can, of course

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Speaker 3: still cancel it because it's just paperwork. Do you remember

557
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Speaker 3: last year China Southern Airlines, the same thing happen and

558
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Speaker 3: they sold all of these flights for two dollars New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: and obviously that would have sucked, but they were like, well, okay,

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Speaker 3: well we did it, so we'll honor them. So they

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Speaker 3: honored all the tickets. Quantas has kind of hit the

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Speaker 3: halfway mark where it's not honoring it all together, but

563
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Speaker 3: then it's still giving you a really good deal. So

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Speaker 3: if you bought these first class tickets, you can still

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Speaker 3: fly for business class and business class return for four thousand,

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Speaker 3: seven hundred bucks between Sydney and la is still an

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Speaker 3: absolute bargain and what an amazing treat. It's about sixty

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Speaker 3: five percent lower than the actual price. And I was

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Speaker 3: trying to rack my brain, but there was something earlier

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Speaker 3: this year in New Zealand where something got sold and

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Speaker 3: then canceled and consuming New Zealand was upset about it.

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Speaker 3: And I can't, for the life of me remember what

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Speaker 3: it was. But anyway, if you remember, please hit me

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Speaker 3: up on nine two nine two put me out of

575
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Speaker 3: my misery. Otherwise I'm going to wake up a three

576
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Speaker 3: am and remember and just perfect timing to get my

577
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Speaker 3: body into you know, the ab Springbok two o'clock. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, fascinating a like the businesses that are prepared

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Speaker 3: to take the head up front and just honor it.

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Speaker 3: I reckon they come out with a better good will

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Speaker 3: politics next sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 2: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It was countdown, giving everybody the three points

584
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Speaker 3: in the email and then taking them all back. Your

585
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Speaker 3: genius whoever sent that to me? Thirteen away from five

586
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Speaker 3: and Barry Sober, Senior Political corresponding with other genius speaking

587
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Speaker 3: of another genius as gracing us with his amazing brain.

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Speaker 3: Right now, what do you make of this energy package?

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Speaker 12: Well, it's probably a lot of what we'd already heard before.

590
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Speaker 12: We are facing an energy crisis and the government is

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Speaker 12: blaming labor for it. But in the end, labour is

592
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Speaker 12: not responsible for the low lake levels, is not responsible

593
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Speaker 12: for the lack of wind, It's not responsible for the

594
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Speaker 12: atmospheric aspects, if you like, of the energy crisis at

595
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Speaker 12: the moment.

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Speaker 3: But it's responsible at least in part for the gash or.

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Speaker 12: Well, I'll talk about that that the Cabinet has basically

598
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Speaker 12: come up with a number of issues to ensure energy

599
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Speaker 12: supply in the future, will remove regulatory areas to the

600
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Speaker 12: construction of critically needed facilities to import liquefied natural gas.

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Speaker 12: That's an interesting one that because they you know, they

602
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Speaker 12: come in ships and big containers this gas and then

603
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Speaker 12: it's regassed once it comes into the country. I read

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Speaker 12: quite a lot about it today because I thought how

605
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Speaker 12: it's put into the gas form Again it's liquefied.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yeah, So I learned quite a lot on

607
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Speaker 3: that one.

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Speaker 12: But there are easing restrictions on electric electricity lines. Companies

609
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Speaker 12: are owning generation now. They've had very limited ownership in

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Speaker 12: the past, so they're going to open that up so

611
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Speaker 12: there'll be more competition if you like, in the sector.

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Speaker 12: They'll ensure easy access for gen tailors to hydro to

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Speaker 12: a hydro contingency. So there's a number of aspects they're

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Speaker 12: looking at. But Chris Luxon, who was standing on the

615
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Speaker 12: stage with both Sam and Brown and Chris Bishop today

616
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Speaker 12: he sheeted the blame for the energy crisis home to

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Speaker 12: labor but on the other hand, he's now urging them

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Speaker 12: to get on board with rectifying the problem.

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Speaker 6: The bottom line is New Zealand should not be in

620
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Speaker 6: this situation, but we are. And it's important to remember

621
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Speaker 6: how we got here because it did not happen by

622
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Speaker 6: accident or because the fact is entirely outside of government control.

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Speaker 6: Previous government's ban on oil and gas exploration threatened investment

624
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Speaker 6: in the upstream energy sector and as good as it

625
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Speaker 6: may have sounded on a bumper sticker or to climate

626
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Speaker 6: activists in Europe, it was reckless. I urge opposition parties

627
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Speaker 6: to support what we have announced today. It would be

628
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Speaker 6: the sensible, common sense thing to do if they genuinely

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Speaker 6: cared about New Zealand's energy security, a lower emissions future

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Speaker 6: and hard working New Zealanders's.

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Speaker 3: Smart move from him, right, Because immediately Labour's going to

632
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Speaker 3: come out and say now we're going to ban it again.

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Speaker 12: Oh look, that's going to be a difficult one, isn't

634
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Speaker 12: it now? Because you know, you've got a three year

635
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Speaker 12: life of a political party before they run again for

636
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Speaker 12: re election. And if you're an investor looking at New

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Speaker 12: Zealander's a potential investment for energy, you're.

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Speaker 3: Give me a read on this barrier. Okay. So if

639
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Speaker 3: Labor was to come out and reaffirm their commitment to

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Speaker 3: the oil and gas band, which I understand is what

641
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Speaker 3: they intend to do, is that not going to go

642
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Speaker 3: down badly?

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Speaker 12: Well, I would imagine it would go down quite badly

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Speaker 12: given the situation Maria. And you see what's happened, particularly

645
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Speaker 12: with gas at the moment. You know, it's particularly bad.

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Speaker 12: We've got a very limited supply, we're not exploring for

647
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Speaker 12: it anymore.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I can't understand it what we're get opposed,

649
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Speaker 3: because what we're getting at the moment is a taste

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Speaker 3: of what the future would be like without any gas, right,

651
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Speaker 3: and it's horrible. And if they go ahead and reconfirm

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Speaker 3: their commitment to the oil and gas band, people they're readiot's,

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Speaker 3: aren't they.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's always been the problem with labor, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: They have these great ideological ideas and they have nothing

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Speaker 12: to back up their ideas in terms of other aspects.

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Speaker 3: And well they did have Lake Onslow, which was well,

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Speaker 3: that was thirty eight earl bad idea.

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Speaker 12: It was going to be opened in nineteen, in two

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Speaker 12: thousand and thirty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it cost US sixteen billion dollars ye in

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Speaker 3: today's money. Yeah, what about the fast track thing? Now,

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Speaker 3: this feels to me like they have taken the kind

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Speaker 3: of guts of what people are complaining out of it.

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Speaker 12: Well, they have and again it's going to make it

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Speaker 12: difficult for Labor and my view, but Chris Bishop, he

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Speaker 12: will assess the application against a set of criteria and

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Speaker 12: that includes whether to defer the project for an assessment

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Speaker 12: by the independent Expert Panel. But it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 12: when they say the Minister won't have the final sign

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Speaker 12: of the Minister can circumvent it earlier on in the

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Speaker 12: process and step two of the process the Minister could

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Speaker 12: decline the project at that stage. Now the independent Panel,

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Speaker 12: of course, there's going to be a lot of pressure

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Speaker 12: on them by the three hundred and eighty four applicants

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Speaker 12: that are now going for the fast track measures. They

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Speaker 12: are going to be made up and they haven't been

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Speaker 12: appointed yet. They'll be appointed later this year. A High

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Speaker 12: Quarter or an environmental judge, a lawyer or a planner

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Speaker 12: will be the chairperson. Local authorities will be represented an

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Speaker 12: environment expert and the treaty settlements require it. An EWE

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Speaker 12: authority representative will be on the expert panel as.

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Speaker 8: Well if needed, Yes, if needed.

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Speaker 12: So you know Labour's reaction to it at the stage

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Speaker 12: is they say the bill overrides the laws that protect

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Speaker 12: our environment and they'll make decisions regardless of the impact

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Speaker 12: on the environment. And I say to that bollocks because

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Speaker 12: part of the criterion that they've got to consider is

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Speaker 12: very much the environment.

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Speaker 3: Barry, thank you very much, Really appreciate it's very Soper,

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Speaker 3: senior political correspondent coming up seven away from five.

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Speaker 13: Digging into the issues that affect you, the mic asking

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Speaker 13: breakfast aither of the minutes they had the final sign

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Speaker 13: off and on, and there was always an expert channeled,

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Speaker 13: did we not trust them?

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Speaker 8: Do we not trust them?

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Speaker 14: We have for so much demanded this country for significant

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Speaker 14: infrastructural investment.

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Speaker 15: There's a big difference between a campaigning politician and a

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Speaker 15: minister in cabinet, which is basically tantamount to saying, look,

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Speaker 15: that doesn't really matter what we say on the campaign trial,

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Speaker 15: none of it's going to turn out to be true anyway.

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Speaker 15: Tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 15: rain Driver, the Lahn Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Five away from five, listen news just out a prominent

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Speaker 3: political figure, former political figure. And this has been in

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Speaker 3: the news for a wee bit. The fact that this

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Speaker 3: guy has been standing trial for eight charges of indecent

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Speaker 3: assault relating to two teenage boys all the way back

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Speaker 3: to the nineteen nineties. This person has just been found

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Speaker 3: guilty charges carry a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment.

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Speaker 3: Has had name suppression throughout the trial, not an MP,

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Speaker 3: we have to say, has had name suppression, still has

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Speaker 3: name suppression. His defense team have fourteen dales days to

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Speaker 3: file evidence in support of whether he should have permanent

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Speaker 3: name supression or just get rid of it all together.

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Speaker 3: So might find out in the next couple of three

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Speaker 3: weeks or so what the name is, or whether we're

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Speaker 3: ever going to find out what the name is. Lydia

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Speaker 3: coh now because Lydia co is on the stream run,

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Speaker 3: I mean, what is not long ago we were talking

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Speaker 3: about the fact that she was going to retire, and

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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden we're talking about about the

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Speaker 3: fact that she is absolutely the boss again. We're going

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Speaker 3: to have a chat shortly to Michael Glading, New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Open tournament director about what he thinks going on here.

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Speaker 3: Something's happened in her headah, and all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: she's just winning. He'll be with us quarter past five. Apparently,

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Speaker 3: the government's announcement today on the energy sector has gone

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Speaker 3: down very well among some analysts. So we'll find out

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Speaker 3: the reaction. Just after five o'clock. I got a little

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Speaker 3: bit of this thing pops up from time to time,

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Speaker 3: and it's happened again. Bit of consternation about where the

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Speaker 3: superfund is investing its money. Apparently these four companies are

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Speaker 3: problematic Airbnb, Booking, dot Com, Motoroller Solutions, and a company

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Speaker 3: called Alstom Aslam Alstom. I don't really no, I never

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Speaker 3: heard of them before anyway, And the Superfunder's put one

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Speaker 3: hundred and forty million dollars into this.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The problem is, according to Labor, that connected to Israeli

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Speaker 3: illegal Israeli settlements. It's not actually strictly according to a labor,

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Speaker 3: it's according to the United Nations a putatalyst. Last June,

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Speaker 3: Labour wants to tell the super fund, wants the government

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Speaker 3: to tell the superfund in acc which also invests to

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Speaker 3: sell the stock. The super found isn't keen because these

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Speaker 3: guys are not like they supply services, but they're not

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Speaker 3: actually directly like building the settlements. We'll talk to Nichola Willis,

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Speaker 3: our finance minister who's with us after six o'clock get

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Speaker 3: her take on that. News took zb.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather do to clan Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 1: 'd be.

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Speaker 12: Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Cabinet has decided how it's going to try to fix

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Speaker 3: our energy problems. The oil and gas exploration ban will

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Speaker 3: be overturned by the end of this year. Consents for

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Speaker 3: a new facility to store al g will be fast

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Speaker 3: tracked and will be a review of the electricity market

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Speaker 3: to make sure that no one's profiteering of us. John

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Speaker 3: Kidd is the director and the head of research at

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Speaker 3: Analytica and with us right now, Hey John, first blush,

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Speaker 3: do you like it?

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Speaker 14: There's not a lots of detail behind it, but the

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Speaker 14: first impression is that it looks fairly comprehensive. I mean

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Speaker 14: the way we think about in the enji sector as

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Speaker 14: we look at upstream, midstream, downstream, and they do seemd

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Speaker 14: some pretty affirmative steps being taken in each of those spaces.

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Speaker 14: So it is positive.

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Speaker 3: I think, what do you think of all of what's

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Speaker 3: been announced today is going to bear the first fruit?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so you know, we're already thinking about a pressure

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Speaker 14: come off with the seas of rain, and then we're

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Speaker 14: seeing the methodic steel that we caught two ago, so

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Speaker 14: there is some heat coming out of the market. So

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Speaker 14: you know, in terms of the deepest of pressure, we're

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Speaker 14: already staying to see a little bit of relief. But

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Speaker 14: what you can do, probably at the front end of

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Speaker 14: all of the measures, which has been said so far,

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Speaker 14: is probably look towards just ensuring that hydrox contingency is available,

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Speaker 14: which the government has he is going to do. There

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Speaker 14: are provisions for the anyway to take place, but the

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Speaker 14: government sounds like they're going to be safeguarding that, and

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Speaker 14: then towards the medium term, probably looking towards what the

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Speaker 14: government has also said towards LNG because that can be deployed.

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Speaker 14: It's not a rapid deployment, but it can be deployed

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Speaker 14: in sort of months or possibly a year or two,

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Speaker 14: and that's something that could be quite important and as

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Speaker 14: a transition while we figure ourselves out.

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Speaker 3: Longer term, who do you think is going to build

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Speaker 3: that LNG facility? Who's interested?

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Speaker 14: Well, the way the government seems to have pitched it

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Speaker 14: is that they're going to streamline. The process for private

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Speaker 14: capital to come towards us interesting to be the case

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Speaker 14: across the board, and you know, there are plenty of

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Speaker 14: examples internationally where these sort of facilities are provided by

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Speaker 14: private investors. And the government seems to have said that

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Speaker 14: we're going to do what we can at our streamline

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Speaker 14: what's needed to be able to accommodate a facility of

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Speaker 14: this type. But the facility itself is probably going to

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Speaker 14: be paid for by an investor somewhere on the line

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Speaker 14: would be ensurredren as I would think they would turn.

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Speaker 3: Up the oil and gas band being lifted, how soon

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Speaker 3: before we find more gas and actually get it out of.

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Speaker 16: The ground, not quickly.

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Speaker 14: That's not going to be something which you will see

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Speaker 14: move the dial in time soon. Expiration is years and

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Speaker 14: sometimes decades type horizon. So now when you're overturning this

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Speaker 14: type of frankly damage that's been done, it's not going

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Speaker 14: to be something you'll see in terms of payback in

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Speaker 14: a year or two or even three. It'll be something

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Speaker 14: which will take quite a bit longer to see itself

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Speaker 14: come through.

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Speaker 4: If it doesn't.

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Speaker 14: All it's about getting paperwork out of the way again

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Speaker 14: and deregulating, But in terms of what happens next, that's

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Speaker 14: up to investors to put their money towards whatever the

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Speaker 14: new framework is.

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Speaker 5: Going to be.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna our investors realistically going to come back.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's going to be a tough ask. Most of

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Speaker 14: the investors that we did have here have gone and

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Speaker 14: we've got a very small poll left of investors that

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Speaker 14: will be the first point of call when it comes

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Speaker 14: to reinvesting. And you know, we've had one of those

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Speaker 14: investors talk about exiting the New Zealand operations and it's

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Speaker 14: not clear what going to happen next. The only thing

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Speaker 14: we can do is to set the conditions of engagement.

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Speaker 14: They're alls to engagement to be as accommodating as you can,

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Speaker 14: which I think is where the government's trying to see

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Speaker 14: back towards. And I hope that the money will flow

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Speaker 14: because if we're talking billions of dollars, let's need it

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Speaker 14: to be able to stabilize where we're at and years

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Speaker 14: of free investment. So because I say this is not

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Speaker 14: the short end or the quick end of the suite

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Speaker 14: that's been in ounce today, it's going to be a

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Speaker 14: slow burn and it comes to indigenous.

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Speaker 11: Yes, John, it's.

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Speaker 3: Always good to talk to you. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: John Kid, director and head of research at Analytica.

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Speaker 1: Togeather do for Sea Elis.

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Speaker 3: Uber has lost its contractor's case again, this time in

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Speaker 3: the Court of Appeal. Again, the courts have rule that

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Speaker 3: for Uber drivers are employees, not contractors. It means they

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Speaker 3: are entitled to holiday pay, sick leave and the right

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Speaker 3: to fight unfair dismissal. Uber has announced it's going to

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Speaker 3: appeal even this all the way through to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: In Dennis maga is First Union General Secretary.

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Speaker 14: Hey, Dennis, oh, good affan and I had a lessons

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Speaker 14: out there.

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Speaker 3: Does this apply only to these four guys or is

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Speaker 3: it going to set a precedent for every contractor in

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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 14: We should, actually, said a president to all Uber drivers

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Speaker 14: out there.

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Speaker 3: All Uber drivers are all contractors.

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Speaker 14: Let's say right now, Uber drivers. But some contractors can

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Speaker 14: actually use the legal outcore of this to argue for

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Speaker 14: their cases.

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Speaker 3: Why only someone not all?

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Speaker 14: It will depend on, for example, the ruling made by

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Speaker 14: Court of Appeals. For example, if ever they believe that

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Speaker 14: an employer or a company is using actually to contractor

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Speaker 14: arrangement as of window dressing. Then they have a good

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Speaker 14: argument actually to argue for their case that they are

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Speaker 14: they were misclassified and they are employees.

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Speaker 3: So, for example, in my industry right here in radio,

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of us are contractors. We sign contractor contracts,

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Speaker 3: but we basically operate the same as all the other employees.

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Speaker 3: Can we now go and say we're employees as well?

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Speaker 3: If it suits us?

873
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Speaker 14: I think it will depend on the terms and conditions.

874
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 14: If ever, you are a contractor and you have the

875
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Speaker 14: ability to contract out your job to anywhere and one,

876
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 14: then of course you can argue that you actually control

877
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 14: your your business or your contract Unlike these Uber drivers

878
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 14: for a long time they've been working in this platform

879
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 14: arrangement that the terms and conditions were actually dictated by

880
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 14: Uber and they cannot actually change their terms and conditions.

881
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think if Uber was to lose

882
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: this all the way to the Supreme Court and beyond,

883
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 3: would they pull out of the country, would they increase

884
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: their charges? What are you reckon is going to be

885
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: the ramifications for consumers?

886
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 14: Well, I think we're looking at the record of Uber

887
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 14: in different countries, and usually every time they lose their case,

888
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 14: they always appeal, but this is going to be hard

889
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 14: for them. They will become desperate if ever they continue

890
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 14: to appeal this case because the first thing that they

891
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 14: have to do is actually to apply for leave in

892
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 14: order to be granted to appeal that case. In this instance,

893
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 14: right now, the pressure now is actually an uber whether

894
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 14: they will prospect the employment legislation in the country or

895
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Speaker 14: they will just simply ignore that.

896
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: All right, Dennis, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

897
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Speaker 5: Mate.

898
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: There's Dennis Mega Mega First Union General Secretary. I reckon

899
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Speaker 3: some bosses here at this radio station might have just

900
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Speaker 3: had their sphincters titled a little bit about.

901
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: This hell duper see Alan.

902
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: Now, this is interesting out of TV and Z. TV

903
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Speaker 3: and Z has today published information on its website about

904
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: how its newsroom operates. They've been very explicit about why

905
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: they're doing this. They basically want they are aware that

906
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: there is declining trust in the media and they want

907
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: to address it. So on one news dot co dot

908
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Speaker 3: in z they've included a bunch of documents have gone up,

909
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Speaker 3: including their editorial standards, and that includes how they you know, basically,

910
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 3: how reporters are expected to report. So, for example, reporters

911
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: are required to ask tough questions of yourself before you

912
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: ask them of anyone else. I don't really know what

913
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 3: that means, but I ask tough questions of myself every day.

914
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: But it's got nothing to do with my job. It's

915
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: largely like, why are you such a dick to that person?

916
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: That kind of thing. Be aware of their own bias,

917
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: and then quote work hard to set them aside. The

918
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: standards also show reporters must have seen your sign off

919
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: to use hidden cameras or microphones, and these covert news

920
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: gathering techniques can only be used if it is in

921
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: the public interest and the information can't be obtained by

922
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: any other means. What this tells you is, as I

923
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: said before, they are aware that the declining trust in

924
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: media has got to do a little bit with the biases,

925
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: like or a lot a lot with the biases. Now this,

926
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: I find it fascinating that this is part of their strategy.

927
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: I hope it's not the rest of the only part

928
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Speaker 3: of their strategy. This is part of their strategy to

929
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: try to address that. What I would say is it's

930
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 3: totally fine to put in some random document that only

931
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 3: like five people are going to read on the website

932
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 3: that they have to address their biases. What they need

933
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: to do if they really want to arrest that decline

934
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Speaker 3: is drop the bias. Now, everybody's got bias. I'm going

935
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: to problem with people having bias. Everybody's got it. But

936
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Speaker 3: if you are working for the kind of news of record,

937
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: the public broadcaster, you've got to be as straight down

938
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Speaker 3: the middle as possible. I'm not sure we can always

939
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 3: say that, can we caullt a past? Okay? So here's

940
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Speaker 3: a wine deal that is so good we actually have

941
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Speaker 3: to keep the full details a bit of a secret

942
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Speaker 3: on air tonight. It's available online with the guys at

943
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Speaker 3: the Good Wineco. And the wine is being sold as

944
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Speaker 3: the Mystery Single Vineyard Hawks Bay Serah twenty twenty. Now

945
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Speaker 3: the wine's true label is on the box and on

946
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Speaker 3: the bottle, and all will be revealed when it lands

947
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Speaker 3: on your doorstep. What I can tell you is that

948
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Speaker 3: this is a limited release label, only produced in top

949
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Speaker 3: vintages from a single vinyard under organic treatment from an

950
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Speaker 3: excellent twenty twenty Hawks Bay vintager won gold at the

951
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Speaker 3: New Zealand International Wine Show Gold and ninety three out

952
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Speaker 3: of one hundred from the Master of Wine Bob Campbell.

953
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Speaker 5: Now.

954
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Speaker 3: To get them full details, you're gonna have to visit

955
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Speaker 3: the website. But let's just say you are getting a

956
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Speaker 3: cracking bottle of Hawks based Sarah for just sixteen ninety

957
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Speaker 3: nine as part of this mystery deal. And to seal

958
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Speaker 3: the deal, you're only gonna have to pay a dollar

959
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Speaker 3: per case delivery to your door anywhere in New Zealand.

960
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Speaker 3: Conditions apply. Gold Medal five star single vineyard Hawks based

961
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Speaker 3: Serah going out the door at an incredible sixteen ninety

962
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Speaker 3: nine per bottle. Limited stocks, So get in quick order

963
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Speaker 3: online right now and you go to the Good Wine

964
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Speaker 3: dot Co that is SAD for that or give them

965
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Speaker 3: a call. Oh eight hundred double six to two, double.

966
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Speaker 1: Six to two either duplessy Ellen.

967
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Speaker 3: Just a reminder, Sime and Brown Energy Minister is going

968
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Speaker 3: to talk us through all the changes that he's made

969
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: when he's with us. Just after half past five, nineteen

970
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 3: past five at the moment. And have we got some

971
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 3: great news out of Saint Andrews in Scotland that came

972
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Speaker 3: through this morning with.

973
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Speaker 6: A score of two hundred and eighty one, the winner

974
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 6: of the gold Medal and the twenty twenty four AIG

975
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Speaker 6: Women's Open champion is Lydia Coe.

976
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Speaker 3: It's Lydia Coe's third major title, but boy, it's been

977
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: a while since she's had one. Michael Glading is New

978
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: Zealand Open Tournament director. Hey Michael, Hey Heather. Now what

979
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: is going on with her that she's had this pack

980
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: up and form lately?

981
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 17: Ah, she's just amazing. I mean, you know, quality shines through,

982
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 17: doesn't it. I mean she's just obviously she's I think

983
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 17: she's got some hunger back in the game. I think

984
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 17: she had this period of time where she was perhaps

985
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 17: not hitting the ball as well as she normally did

986
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 17: and perhaps lost a bit of that enthusiasm. But I've

987
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 17: got for such a metal game and clearly she's shown

988
00:43:59,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 17: that in the last monk.

989
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

990
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 3: I heard somebody say she's just in a really great

991
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: space at the moment. You know, she's traveling. I think

992
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: her partners around, her family's around, she's just having a

993
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: good time. Could it just be that.

994
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 17: I think I think that's a lot to do with it. Absolutely,

995
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 17: she's very happily married, and I think, to be fair,

996
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 17: when she first got married, I think that was very

997
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 17: much a focus rather than necessarily winning golf tournaments. She's

998
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 17: been married to a year or two now, and she's

999
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 17: kind of getting the best of both worlds.

1000
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just fantastic.

1001
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: What do you reckon, Michael about the kind of freedom

1002
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: that you get in your game when you've achieved what

1003
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: you wanted to achieve, Right, so you get the bronze,

1004
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: then you get the silver, and then you know, like whatever,

1005
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: everything after that's a bit of a cherry on the top,

1006
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: and so she just starts playing really well.

1007
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 17: I think there's something in that. As I say, golf

1008
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 17: for such a mental game, and pressure is something that

1009
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 17: you only put on yourself, right, so if you kind

1010
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 17: of feel like, wow, you know, I think having one.

1011
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 17: I wasn't actually that surprised she won this week because

1012
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 17: having won that gold, which I know for her was

1013
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 17: absolutely for her a real pinnacle. I think, you know,

1014
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 17: she probably went into this week thinking, wow, you know,

1015
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 17: it's been a great month, no matter what. Again, again

1016
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 17: keep saying it, but that that that bit between your

1017
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 17: ears is just the most important part of the golf swing.

1018
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: So right, Michael, Hey, thank you very much, go and

1019
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: enjoy the rest of the form. Michael Glading, New Zealand

1020
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: Open tournament director. Hither I have a mix of employees

1021
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: and contractors. If you have specific hours and a clearly

1022
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 3: defined role, your clearly unemployee. Well I think the courts

1023
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: are agreeing with you on that. Chris, speaking of bias,

1024
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to show mine. Have you read the article

1025
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: in the Guardian with this headline New Zealand culture is

1026
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 3: booming around the world. Do we have Jacinda Ardern to

1027
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: thank for it? Oh, you're gonna want to hear this one.

1028
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: We'll do it before the end of the hour. I'll

1029
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: tell you what. So be biased both ways from the

1030
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: Guardian and from me. And so why did you put

1031
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: your headphones in your.

1032
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 18: So I was going to suggest that maybe you have

1033
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 18: a tough conversation with yourself just before you do the

1034
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Speaker 18: bias I think, so do you think, Oh wait, no,

1035
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 18: that's TV and Z rules and we've got no one.

1036
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: But I can also apply it to myself. And then

1037
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 3: I need to also know what my biases are and

1038
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: set them aside. Borrang near mind five twenty two.

1039
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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need.

1040
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Speaker 2: Heather Dup to c Alan dro with one New Zealand.

1041
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: Let's get connected and news talk as.

1042
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: They'd be coming up twenty five past five listen on Friday.

1043
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a pity that the news about the

1044
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 3: Allen Hall case came out on a Friday, which is

1045
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 3: what happened, because being a Friday, it didn't get nearly

1046
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: enough attention, riting all the attention it deserved. But what

1047
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: happened on Friday is actually really big. Two former cops

1048
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: and a former prosecutor are going to be charged and

1049
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: will appear in court next week over Allan Hall's wrongful conviction. Now,

1050
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: if you're struggling to remember what this is, this is

1051
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: the case where this chap Allan Hall, went to jail

1052
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: for nineteen years for killing somebody he didn't actually kill,

1053
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Speaker 3: and it may well be one of the most egregious

1054
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: miscarriages of justice in this country. But I'll tell you what,

1055
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: there are others that are really trying to get to

1056
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: get that label off it because in this case, what

1057
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: happened is the cops had witness statement, a witness statement

1058
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: that said that the attacker was a tall, broad Maori man.

1059
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: But when they charged and then prosecuted Alan Hall, who

1060
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: was a slight white man who I would consider to

1061
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 3: be slightly on the short side. They hid that witness

1062
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: description from the jury. They hid it from the jury.

1063
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 3: Now the cops have been investigating this for the last

1064
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: couple of years, have just charged these three and let

1065
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 3: me tell you, from what I can glean, this is

1066
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Speaker 3: really unusual. I mean, this is a case there is, sorry,

1067
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Speaker 3: there is a case from earlier this year of police

1068
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: charging two of their own for something similar. But apart

1069
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: from that, I've been told it's rare, not only in

1070
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: New Zealand but also globally to have cops and a

1071
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: prosecutor charged for a case as serious as murder. But

1072
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Speaker 3: it is a good thing that this is happening. I'm

1073
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: not prejudging these guys. I'm not saying if I think

1074
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 3: that they're guilty or not. I mean that is for

1075
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: the courts to decide and not for the rest of us.

1076
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: But just having these charges laid, just the sense that

1077
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: justice is being done, I think is a good thing

1078
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 3: because we've got a long list now of cases of

1079
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 3: people going to jail over alleged questionable stuff from the

1080
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: police and the investigation in the court case. And this

1081
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: goes all the way back to Arthur Allen Thomas. It

1082
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: becomes all the way forward as recently as this, and

1083
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: also the Gail Mainy case that is actually before the

1084
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Speaker 3: courts right now. I've got a lot of respect for police,

1085
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Speaker 3: and I respect that they have got a lot of

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Speaker 3: work on their place and they've got a lot to do.

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Speaker 3: But I think we know that they have a lot

1088
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: of power and hold a lot of power over us.

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Speaker 3: Right it is important to see that those who hold

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00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 3: the rest of us to account are also being held

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Speaker 3: to account. So regardless of what comes out of this case,

1092
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Speaker 3: just seeing that cops aren't afraid to charge their own

1093
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: I think is really important. Ever, Dupe Alan, the Cursey

1094
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: Alsock case has over the weekend got really interesting, right.

1095
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: This is the UK presenter over there who was going

1096
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: to allow her fifteen year old son to go traveling

1097
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: abroad through Europe and somebody has report and it was

1098
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 3: all over the papers last week and somebody, some curtain twitcher,

1099
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 3: has called the child protection people and knocked on her.

1100
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: Now she's had a file opened on her. What I'm

1101
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 3: confused about here is what rule she's broken, because, as

1102
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: she says, she's broken no law. And what I mean

1103
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 3: if you sent your fifteen year old off to the

1104
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: Pacific Islands by themselves. Would you be breaking a law?

1105
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: Is that not perfect? Is this a moral judgment? We're

1106
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: going to talk to the Huddle about it shortly, Newstalks

1107
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Speaker 3: A B.

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Speaker 2: Find your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in

1109
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: your car on your drive home, dup to see allan

1110
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and news

1111
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: Talk said, be.

1112
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Speaker 3: Blood stuff we get at your truck, Grig did your

1113
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: put through?

1114
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Speaker 1: Myne did it?

1115
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 10: It's fun, there's a there's a way, and I'm not

1116
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 10: sure you're lasting, didn't segaburtous question.

1117
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: I was Ozzie when I was fifteen, on my own

1118
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: for five months. When I came back, my mother asked

1119
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: what I'd been up to all summer. Mark, if you

1120
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 3: could just send through your contact details and your mother's

1121
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna head up Wins about that and just

1122
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 3: see if they want to open a file on her,

1123
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: because shesh. Look at how you've turned out. The Huddle's

1124
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: going to be with us shortly. Now, listen, we give

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00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: Wellington a lot of grief for its pipes, but how

1126
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: about i'd give you an alternative version of the same story.

1127
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 3: Remember that pipe that burst when everybody was down there

1128
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Speaker 3: for the conference. It was like water all over k

1129
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: Kington Cambridge Terrace and absolute shambles. That pipe is a

1130
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 3: cast iron pipe. It's a water pipe. Cast iron water

1131
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: pipe was late in a eighteen ninety and it has

1132
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: not caused any trouble until twenty twenty four. Now that

1133
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: is actually impressive. I mean the problem is obviously all

1134
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: these pipes bursting out exactly the same time. But a

1135
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: pipe going one hundred and thirty four years before it

1136
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: causes problems is pretty awesome, isn't it. There is a

1137
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 3: pipe that's actually older than that. There is a waste

1138
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 3: water pipe that runs beneath the Base and Reserve Cricket

1139
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: ground and is actually being used. Was installed in eighteen forty.

1140
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Speaker 3: How good, twenty three away from six.

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Speaker 1: Ever, due for ce Ellen's back to the government's.

1142
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: Just announced energy package, Cabinet has decided to fast track

1143
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 3: consents for an LNG storage facility and then also overturn

1144
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: the oil and gas exploration ban in a hurry by

1145
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Speaker 3: the end of this year. Energy Minister Simeon Brown is

1146
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: with me right now, Hey, simn good evening. You're also

1147
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: planning to do a review of the electricity market. Now,

1148
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: is this basically a market study?

1149
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 11: Well, it's not a market study, but it's ensuring that

1150
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 11: the market settings are right for the changes that we're seeing,

1151
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 11: which is obviously the reduction in gas supply but also

1152
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 11: increasing intermittent resources, and to make sure that the regulators,

1153
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 11: the ultrust, the Authority and ComCom have the tools they

1154
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 11: need to be able to make changes to keep it competitive,

1155
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 11: affordable and secure.

1156
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: Are you looking at whether they're profiteering or not.

1157
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 11: Well, ultimately, what we want is more competition. That's the

1158
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 11: way to ensure that we're not seeing excess profits. The

1159
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 11: EA is also going to be ensuring that more regular

1160
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 11: reporting of margins are in place. But we don't have

1161
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 11: enough supply and we don't give it.

1162
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I get the problem. But your mate Marta

1163
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: Shane has come out and said that these guys, the gentailers,

1164
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 3: are profitearing. Are you now going to answer that question

1165
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: with the study?

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Speaker 11: What we're going to be doing is looking at the

1167
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 11: market settings to make sure that EA and the ComCom

1168
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Speaker 11: have the tools.

1169
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Speaker 3: That sounds that's in no way you're not looking at

1170
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: whether they're profitearing.

1171
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 11: Well, we are looking at as a separate piece of

1172
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 11: work they are already undertaking to ensure that there isn't

1173
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 11: price gouging happening. I share Shane Jones's concerns.

1174
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 7: I share his concerns.

1175
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 11: Around excessive prices and the impact that they're having.

1176
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: So are you saying because the EA is already looking

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00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 3: into it, it doesn't need to be looked into.

1178
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 11: Again, Well, they need to do that job to ensure

1179
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 11: that the current what's happening right now, with the high

1180
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 11: prices we're facing, we're not seeing we don't want us

1181
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 11: be seeing price gouging. But I also want to make

1182
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 11: sure that they have the tools to enable a more

1183
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 11: competitive market because competition ensures that we don't see price gouging.

1184
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 11: Competition means we get more generation. Competition means we have

1185
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 11: more supply, and competition is good for consumers.

1186
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: So the competition, the competition aspect is that is that

1187
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 3: you allowing the lines companies to be able to build

1188
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: more generation. Would that increase the competition?

1189
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 11: That is absolutely one of the one of the elements.

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00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 11: And also about resilience because you go into some of

1191
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 11: the more remote parts of the country where it's Northland, Corimandal,

1192
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 11: the West Coast, the transmission costs to put new transmission

1193
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 11: lines in is incredibly expensive, and so having more resilience

1194
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 11: by having more generation onto those lines companies' assets helps

1195
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 11: to make it helps to reduce the cost of more

1196
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 11: generation as well. So that part of increasing competition but

1197
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 11: also increasing resilience.

1198
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: Who's going to build the LNG facility? Who's interested?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's been significant interests from a range of parties.

1200
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 11: Some of those parties obviously already own assets in New Zealand.

1201
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 11: The Gas Industry Company, which is the body which regulates

1202
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 11: the gas market in New Zealand, they are going to

1203
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 11: be coordinating that work. Our job is to get rid

1204
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 11: of all of the regulatory barriers as quickly as we

1205
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 11: can and give confidence for those investors to be able

1206
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 11: to come and invest in that infrastructure so we can

1207
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 11: get that gas into New Zealand.

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00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: How quickly can you do it?

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00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 11: Well, the advice I've received, our expectation is the latest

1210
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 11: is winter twenty twenty six. That's the latest the advices.

1211
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 11: There are options to do that faster depends on that.

1212
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 3: Are you saying you're only going to be able to

1213
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 3: issue the consent in winter twenty six?

1214
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 11: Oh no, No, that is the latest actually have that

1215
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 11: gas flowing into New Zealand. Okay, in terms of the consent,

1216
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 11: we've said we're going to put specific legislation to Parliament

1217
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 11: to legislate that content because we want to give absolute

1218
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 11: certainty that this government will remove those regulatory barriers so

1219
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 11: that those investment decisions can be made as quickly as possible.

1220
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 3: So, I mean, how much more expensive is allan G

1221
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 3: flowing through my pipe than the indigenous gas I've got

1222
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: at the moment.

1223
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 11: Well, the spot price for your indigenous gas in the

1224
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 11: market's over fifty dollars a giga duel and LNG's between

1225
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 11: seventeen and twenty one, so it's actually cheaper to bring

1226
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 11: in lngs into the spot market in New Zealand, but

1227
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 11: typically New Zealand gas is cheaper than LNG. So ultimately

1228
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 11: this is about making sure we've got the supply and

1229
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 11: that price will ultimately determine where it's coming from.

1230
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Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, thank you, Simin, really appreciate your time that

1231
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 3: Simmy and Brown, the Energy Minister, the.

1232
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Speaker 2: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach and results.

1233
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 3: On the huddle got Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute,

1234
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: Mark Sainsbury, who's broadcast Hell are you too? Tim does

1235
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: this filly with confidence.

1236
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 16: Well, I'm glad to I'm glad to hear that we're

1237
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 16: addressing this issue as someone who actually I did change

1238
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 16: power companies this year. Not I we did, Yeah, we did.

1239
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 5: Some couple of guys came.

1240
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 16: Around and said, guess what you can get cheaper, cheaper power,

1241
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 16: cheaper internet, and we'll throw in a cheaper big screen TV.

1242
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: So we did the deal.

1243
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: What they gave you a TV as well?

1244
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 16: Well, it's saw in a sort of reduced value TV.

1245
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 16: Let's put it that way, well, reduced cost, but it's

1246
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 16: big screen.

1247
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: Worrying about this deal, I feel very worried about it. Tim,

1248
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 3: did you look at your power bill and actually make

1249
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: sure that it has come down?

1250
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 16: I haven't done it yet, but we're watching a lot

1251
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 16: of Telly.

1252
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, this is the.

1253
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: Reason you haven't done it yet is because your wife

1254
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: did all the admin. Right.

1255
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 16: What's Mark got to say about this? I'm sensing again

1256
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 16: he's deflicting.

1257
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 14: I'm fascinated by the accounting arrangements in Tim's house. Hate

1258
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 14: but this thing, I mean I agree with some Look,

1259
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 14: something's going to be done. I was seeing that conference

1260
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 14: in the Patrolling Ministry in twenty eighteen when Megan turned

1261
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 14: up and the Minister Energy Minister at the time and said,

1262
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 14: I look, we're all considering this, and I remember asking it, well,

1263
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 14: does that mean you've made a decision already and don't

1264
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 14: want to tell us or you're still considering it and

1265
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 14: that already made the decision? Of course, And here we

1266
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 14: are six years later and there's going to be another reset.

1267
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 14: You just want someone to say, look, let's just get

1268
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 14: this sorted out, because it's just a cycle. What happens

1269
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 14: in the meantime.

1270
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Well, here's a question for you, say, Jon,

1271
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 3: so put your political editor's hat on. If you think

1272
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 3: about the situation that we find ourselves in right now,

1273
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 3: and it sucks, and it is in part because of

1274
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: not totally, but in part because of Labour's oil and

1275
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 3: gas ban. If Labor was to come out and say yeah,

1276
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: we're going to commit to that oil and gas band,

1277
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: does that play badly for them or is it too

1278
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 3: complicated for most people to understand?

1279
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 14: Well, don't forget its sort of the lead up to

1280
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 14: that band in twenty eighteen, there's been constant protests and

1281
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 14: certain factions. So within I think the labor within their

1282
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 14: own caxtment, I don't think are going to be getting

1283
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 14: in backing it. I mean they'll sort of they stick

1284
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 14: because it's a you're going to admit you're wrong to

1285
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 14: begin with. Yeah, And second of your own support base

1286
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 14: who are anti at are going to think you're just

1287
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 14: you're just a turn coke. But the problem, it's the

1288
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 14: same with all these big issues. There was a there

1289
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 14: was a I remember tending a thing before the election

1290
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 14: here with the group down here wanting to get things

1291
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 14: into long term planning. We don't do enough long term planning.

1292
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 14: We don't do it absolutely right, you know, the same.

1293
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 14: But the super there's all those issues farmact, these things

1294
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 14: that should be.

1295
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 16: A short term. Short termism is our absolute problem because

1296
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 16: we think we're practical people will just solve the problem

1297
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 16: and they'll take care of it. But actually there are

1298
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 16: problems that ensue and unintended consequences. And by the way,

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Speaker 16: if we can harvest the oil and gas we get

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Speaker 16: the crude, we still have to send it overseas to

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Speaker 16: get it refined. So it's a there's so many other

1302
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 16: things that we have to do to make sure that

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Speaker 16: we're energy self sufficient.

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00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very important all right, we'll take a

1305
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: break with you guys, come back very shortly. It's the

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Speaker 3: Huddle sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, Exceptional marketing

1308
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: for every property.

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're back on the huddle, Mark Sainsbury. Tim Wilson saying,

1310
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: so you got a problem with Carmel Sepaloni going on

1311
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: Celebrity Treasure Island but still collecting her MP pay.

1312
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 14: Well, she's donating it, she says, isn't she She's giving

1313
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 14: her pay to it.

1314
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: Well, that's two winnings, right, that's the winnings from the cold.

1315
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: But then she took two weeks off the job. I

1316
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: don't have a problem with it, but other people do.

1317
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: Took two weeks off the job and then kept on

1318
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: taking her pay.

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00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: See I read that.

1321
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 14: I thought she was saying that.

1322
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 16: No, I thought she was donating her Yeah. I thought

1323
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 16: she was donating it to the trust, the Tyler Trust.

1324
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 14: Yeah, even the pay.

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00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: Yeah saying okay, stand corrected. But that's ridiculous, isn't it.

1326
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean she's going off board now.

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 14: Too generous.

1328
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: Take that money back from that charity, solve that problem.

1329
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 16: What kind of a politician has she.

1330
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 14: At? Atitionary risk is not that she's where the pay,

1331
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 14: it's the fact she's going on with Dunk and Garner.

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Speaker 3: Well trying, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: It's going to be tough. I would love to see

1334
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 16: her and Jenny Shipley forming a team. Now, wouldn't that

1335
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 16: be a vision of television?

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Speaker 5: Goal?

1337
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 3: Would you ever go on?

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00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 6: I once?

1339
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 3: Well, well, I was going to ask Tim if he's

1340
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: ever let me ask him, and then I'm going to

1341
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: come back to you saying, so, Tim, would you ever

1342
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: go on it? Would you go on Celebrity Treasure Island?

1343
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 5: Sure?

1344
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 16: If they want someone to feel sorry for who's uncoordinated,

1345
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 16: doesn't have light a match, he exterminated in the first round.

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Speaker 5: You know how this goes?

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00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you saying? So, would you do it?

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Speaker 14: Someone did ring me up one day and you're going

1349
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 14: to say no to this? Would she consider? I mean, yeah,

1350
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 14: that was just obviously casting round and I said no,

1351
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 14: one of them makes You could have got it could

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00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 14: have been a great time.

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Speaker 7: Who gives?

1354
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 11: Who gives?

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00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 14: Just on Tim's and Jenny Shipley Jenny Fantasy once I

1356
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 14: went under cover a national caucus and a new pun

1357
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 14: up and it was someone motels. Every floor looks the same.

1358
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 14: And I got to what I thought was my root,

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 14: go there key and opened the door and there was

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Speaker 14: Jenny Shipley standing in her underwear.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's d tell me say so? Did she

1362
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: go to the kind of mumsy underwear or was it

1363
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: quite sexy stuff?

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Speaker 14: I averted my eyes that you'd be pleased to know immediately.

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01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: And what you've got a mind blank and you can't

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01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: remember anything?

1367
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Speaker 16: Would you go on celebrity treasure idle Heather?

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Speaker 3: Jeez, man, I can't move past Jenny in her underwear.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I would have taken a mental

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Speaker 3: photograph right then? Hey, Tim, it feels to me like

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Speaker 3: these changes that were made over the weekend with the

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Speaker 3: fast Track Bill are basically taking the guts out of

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01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 3: what people are complaining about, and therefore we'll make it

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01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 3: more palatable, right because it's it's not the three ministers

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Speaker 3: making the decision. What do you think?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think I think I

1377
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 16: think they're getting there. It depends on her points, but

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01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 16: it does seem to be a good summary of people

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01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 16: who would would actually be an antidote to what you

1380
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 16: might see as cronyism, et cetera, et cetera. Just got

1381
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 16: to be careful with the appointment thing. Just to note

1382
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 16: on everyone's going, oh, they've got mining companies there, you

1383
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 16: know that they're in they're doing inside deals with this.

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01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 16: Mining is five percent. Yeah, of the fast tracking that's

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Speaker 16: already applied. Most of it is housing.

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Speaker 8: Yes, don't we need some of that?

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Speaker 16: Which are completely lost proportion with this excellent point.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for making it.

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Speaker 4: Say so.

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Speaker 3: It feels to me like some people are going to

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 3: see this as a fantastic way of kind of reaching

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01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: a compromise with with with your critics. Others are going

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01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 3: to see it as a backtrack. How do you see it?

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Speaker 14: They didn't have any choice, I think for a start,

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Speaker 14: I mean the public reaction and people marching on the

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Speaker 14: streets and everyone was coming at the from every endle

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Speaker 14: I think they, despite Shane Jones wanting to just push

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 14: it on through, I think they realized politically this thing

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01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 14: was just going to cause them more headaches, and so

1400
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 14: they want to get there again. You're looking, okay, it

1401
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 14: might significantly you sort of slow up this sort of process.

1402
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 14: But again because there's this frustration, I think, and we

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01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 14: get it and went in and I think we're sign

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 14: a local level as well. It's just this frustration that

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 14: nothing happens, you know. So there's a certain amount of

1406
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 14: that that've got a bit of good will and look

1407
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 14: at least seem to be doing something. But you just

1408
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 14: got to make sure you know, when you get you

1409
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 14: don't go in like they did. That sort of causes

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01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 14: so many problems. It was they did the same thing,

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Speaker 14: but with the ken cermits that no no, no, no

1412
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 14: public upcry yes yes, yes, yes, you think well if

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Speaker 14: you had to say yes in the first place.

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Speaker 16: Was some bothers speaking speaking of Wellington, I've got I've

1415
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Speaker 16: got heather. The thing on old pipes, what's the oldest

1416
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 16: pipe you've got saying zo.

1417
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 14: The oldest pipe?

1418
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 3: Having a house like for smoking.

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01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 14: Quite a brier one was sort of tobacco in it. Yeah, No,

1420
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 14: we got pipes. I love that eighteen forty one under

1421
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 14: the under the base of preserve.

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 3: You know, but you know when it breaks, and it's

1423
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: going to break because it is now hundred and eighty

1424
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: years old, is going to be very stinky. So just

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01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 3: watch out, very quickly. Guys, tim, would you send you

1426
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: fifteen year old off on a trip around where ever?

1427
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: Out of the country?

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01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 16: Absolutely, boys love adventure. That ours are like cage dogs,

1429
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 16: that they're inside the house too long. Get them out

1430
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 16: of the house, get them out of the country.

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Speaker 14: Go and a daughter you've seend as well to.

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Speaker 16: Oh, not at all of that. That's a different situation.

1433
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: But boys to saying, so you've got one of each.

1434
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 3: What age was the first time that you let them out?

1435
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Speaker 14: Oh, I'm trying to think they're pretty I mean we

1436
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 14: used we did a bit of sort of traveling a lot,

1437
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 14: you know, all of us. And then I'm just trying

1438
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 14: to think, think Arabella, Oh, you know they did school trips.

1439
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 14: It's different. But yeah, there's there's a lot of argument

1440
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 14: for this, you know, creating resilience in our kits and

1441
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 14: sort of you know, getting them to take risks. This

1442
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 14: whole sort of helicopter parenting thing. I think it's terrible.

1443
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 14: And that's Dorman has that rageous, isn't it. He was fifteen,

1444
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 14: he was head of his you know, he was young

1445
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 14: for his class, and he went with another sixteen year

1446
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 14: old and people do it all the time, you know,

1447
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 14: we can't just lock people up keeping them.

1448
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 3: So it's probably a little bit like kid by kids.

1449
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 3: Some kids are going to handle it, some kids aren't.

1450
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 3: A it's about the resilience. You hit the nail on

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 3: the head sayings so thank you very much. Mark Sainsbry

1452
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 3: and Tim Wilson. A huddle this evening on your.

1453
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car

1454
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 2: on your drive home. Heather Duplicy Alan drive with one

1455
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: New Zealand one Giant Leap for business news talk as.

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Speaker 3: It be, Heather, My grandfather left home for good age

1457
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: thirteen during the Depression of Kelly. It was like a

1458
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 3: hundred years ago. And you know that they were made

1459
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: of strongest stuff back then. I mean you could probably

1460
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 3: feed himself at age thirteen. You ask a thirteen year

1461
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: old nowadays to feed themselves and they all to uber

1462
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 3: eat and bloody.

1463
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 16: Clue.

1464
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: It's completely different. He probably knew how to kill and

1465
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 3: skin and roast the thing, like from scratch, you know

1466
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 3: what I mean, and like like farm to food, like

1467
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: pasture to plate type experience. Back then. Here the Greta

1468
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 3: Thunberg sailed whatever. Gretta the weird one sailed the world

1469
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 3: at fifteen, didn't she might well be right? But is

1470
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: that an I mean, Greta had a passion, didn't she.

1471
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know if all our oun kids have

1472
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: passions like that. We're gonna have a chat to Nikola

1473
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 3: Willis after six o'clock plenty to talk to her about.

1474
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: Actually today I'm quite keen to find out whether she

1475
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 3: was expecting that reaction from all the mayors and the

1476
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 3: councilors who had a big old cry about being told

1477
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: off to have a listened to that after six o'clock. Now,

1478
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 3: just Cinda, I told you. I told you I was

1479
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: going to talk you through this article. Been meaning to

1480
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 3: get to it actually because it actually popped up on

1481
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: the Guardian last week. It's a piece by a woman

1482
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 3: called Nell Frizzelle who says her dad is a Kiwi

1483
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: but I think she lives in London or somewhere in

1484
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: the UK and has got this headline New Zealand culture

1485
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 3: is booming around the world. Do we have just Cinda

1486
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: Ardern to thank for that? And now makes the point

1487
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 3: that when she was growing up, the sum total of

1488
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 3: New Zealand's contribution to global culture was essentially the singer

1489
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 3: from crowded house, Nelfin and Shortland Street, and then she

1490
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 3: points out that we've got heaps more going for us nowadays.

1491
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: Case in point, the line up in the Edinburgh Festival,

1492
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: the fringe packed with young, exciting New Zealand talent. Rose

1493
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: Matafao's there, Guy Montgomery, Alice sned and Paul Williams, Guy Williams,

1494
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 3: like it's a whole bunch of others. And then on

1495
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 3: screen we've got Peter Jackson, Tiger White, t Jermaine Clement

1496
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 3: and Jane Campion. And then for books, we've got somebody

1497
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 3: called Meg Mason who lives over in Australia, and then

1498
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: Alan or Katton of course of the Luminaries and so on.

1499
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 3: And then musically we've got Lord and Eldest Harding, we've

1500
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: got Princess Chelsea, and we've got Jonathan Bree and we've

1501
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 3: got Marlon Williams who sang and acted in Sweet Tooth.

1502
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 3: And then she finishes with as to why there's this

1503
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: boom in Kiwee culture, It's difficult to say, and she

1504
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: asks a bunch of questions including is it a fringe

1505
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 3: benefit of Jacinda Ardun's time as Prime Minister. I'm just

1506
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 3: gonna leave it there for a minute. We'll pick it

1507
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 3: up in the next half hour.

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Speaker 2: We're business and inside the business hour were heder due

1509
01:06:59,240 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: to see Ellen.

1510
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: And my Hr on news B.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. It turns

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: out more employers are using AI at the moment to

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Speaker 3: do the interviews. We'll get you across that shortly and

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Speaker 3: then talk to the person who's apt they're using. The

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Speaker 3: FED is going to cut soon, like next month soon.

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Speaker 3: Shane Soley of Harbor Asset Management on that, and Gaven

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Speaker 3: Gray is with us out of the UK. It's coming

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Speaker 3: up eight past six and with us now as Nikola

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01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 3: willis the Finance Minster. Hey, Nikolai, Hi Heather, Now, when

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Speaker 3: you guys made the decision that you would tell those

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01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 3: mayors and counselors last week you'd only give them money

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01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: if they rained in their spending, were you expecting the

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Speaker 3: reaction you got?

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Speaker 7: I didn't think that they would be so out of

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Speaker 7: touch with their rate payers. It really made me think,

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Speaker 7: have you're not been listening to people? Because every second

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Speaker 7: person I come across in Wellington certainly is saying to me,

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01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 7: oh my gosh, have you got your rates bill yet?

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 7: It's frightening, and so for mayors and counselors in some

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01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 7: cases to be so out of touch with that, and

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Speaker 7: a real worry.

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Speaker 3: Do you do you spend much time talking to mayors

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Speaker 3: and counsels.

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Speaker 7: A little bit because there are issues, watch our local issues,

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 7: and actually we pass information between each other. Just the weekend,

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Speaker 7: I had a counselor who came across someone who needs

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01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 7: a citizenship application, so he.

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Speaker 5: Forwards that to me.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever get talking about this? Because I always want?

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Speaker 3: I also wondered when I saw this reaction with well,

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01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 3: how do you not know that this is how we feel?

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01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 3: What's the vibe you're getting from them?

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01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 5: Well?

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01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 7: It depends, doesn't it. They have different political persuasions around

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01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 7: a council table, and I think some of us is

1546
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 7: a little bit of the center left center right thing.

1547
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 7: That have people who, as a general position, think that

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Speaker 7: you should be very careful with ratepayers or taxpayers money,

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01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 7: and you also have people who view that they've got

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 7: such magnificent ideas for how to spend it that we

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 7: should all listen up.

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01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: Do you guys seriously mean to set a cap on

1553
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 3: how much rates could go up by or is that

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01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 3: just a threat.

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Speaker 7: Well, we are pretty serious. There's a few things that

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Speaker 7: we're doing. The first is that we're going to remove

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Speaker 7: the world being measures from the Act, which at the

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Speaker 7: moment is how they justify some of their spending. We

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01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 7: are looking into doing performance benchmarks so RAPEAS has clear

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01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 7: information about how the local government entity is performing. And

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Speaker 7: then yes, we are exploring options to limit what councils

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Speaker 7: can spend their money on the performance accountable things like

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Speaker 7: how much money they're spending the head of population on

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Speaker 7: basic services, how much money they're spending on various functions,

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01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 7: and then people can measure it up and say, oh,

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Speaker 7: why is my council putting so much money on that?

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Speaker 7: Or why have they got so many staff compared to

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Speaker 7: other councils that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: Seez, that sounds like a big piece of work. How

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Speaker 3: long is that going to take?

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Speaker 7: Well, it's something that Simmy and Brown, our Minister for

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01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 7: Local Government, has said that he's going to go away

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Speaker 7: and explore where the Cabinet has said yes, please do so,

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Speaker 7: and he'll come back to us and due course fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, have you had any word from the Reserve

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Speaker 3: Bank on the recommendations that affect them out of that

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Speaker 3: MS Comission Banking study last week.

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Speaker 7: No, not yet, but I expect that I will engage

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Speaker 7: with them. I've got two pieces of work underway. One

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Speaker 7: is a rewrite of the Financial Policy remits, which sets

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Speaker 7: the government's direction on how the Reserve Bank conducts its

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Speaker 7: functions there and I will work on that in consultation

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Speaker 7: with the Reserve Bank. And then the second thing is

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Speaker 7: I'll be updating the expectations that I set to the

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Speaker 7: Reserve Bank. And one of the expectations are set as

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Speaker 7: they'll hear how they intend to respond to the recommendations

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Speaker 7: from the comments.

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Speaker 3: Compet They're not obliged to, are they.

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Speaker 7: What they are obliged to do is make sure that

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Speaker 7: they meet the conditions of the policy remit we set.

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Speaker 3: That's right. They're not obliged to listen to the ComCom.

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Speaker 3: But you are choosing to listen to the ComCom and

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01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 3: you can force the Reserve Bank's hand correct.

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Speaker 7: We can make sure that they cack it into account.

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01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 7: But also I can have a discussion with them here

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Speaker 7: the so if it becomes clear that they believe that

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01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 7: the law is precluding them from taking any particular actions,

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Speaker 7: then we can have a discussion about what amendments may

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Speaker 7: be require but that may not be necessary.

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Speaker 3: And are you planning to force their or are you

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Speaker 3: planning to have them implement everything that the Commerce Commission

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Speaker 3: has suggested in those recommendations.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'd like to at the very least hear what

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Speaker 7: their response is to each of those recommendations, because I've

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01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 7: read that report from cover to cover and it is

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01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 7: very well argued, very coherent, and I think that the

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Speaker 7: issues that the Commics Commission have put forward deserve answers.

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Speaker 3: Because I mean, if everything is followed here, we could

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Speaker 3: end up with them allowing more entities to become a

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Speaker 3: bank and we could have more banks in this country

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Speaker 3: as a result.

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Speaker 7: Yes, And the point the Commics Commission make is why

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 7: can't someone call themselves a bank if they're providing banking services?

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Speaker 7: We need to be all precious about that word.

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Speaker 3: No fair enough?

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Speaker 1: Hey, how much more?

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Speaker 3: I see you guys have had to sign up a

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Speaker 3: new contract for the gas that schools and hospitals for

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Speaker 3: October this year. How much more is that costing you?

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Speaker 7: Well, that's that hasn't been finalized yet, but you're right,

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Speaker 7: it will cost a lot more. It's now just under

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Speaker 7: fifteen million dollars across government, and you'd expect it to

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Speaker 7: be more. It's then borne by individual agencies, So Healthy

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Speaker 7: Zealand docks that defend thoughts in others, and you'd expect

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Speaker 7: them they have to face that costs from within their

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01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 7: existing budgets, so they'll have to be trading off other

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Speaker 7: things in order to pay that more expensive price, just

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Speaker 7: like every household dealing with a high electricity.

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Speaker 3: Do you know how much more expensive?

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Speaker 5: Not yet?

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01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 3: Are we talking double triple? You know, just half on top.

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Speaker 7: I'm not going to hazard again, but I think it

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 7: will be considerably more.

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 3: And are we using method X gas again?

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Speaker 7: I understand that that is the negotiation that is occurring.

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Speaker 3: Okay, when are we finding out to that is? When

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 3: is this going to be signed?

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01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 7: I understand that we will be finding out pretty shortly

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01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 7: as soon as it's signed, and we intend to be

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Speaker 7: transparent about it.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about the super Fund and ACC

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 3: investing in airbnbnbooking dot Com?

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01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 7: Well, there's a really important principle for me here, which

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 7: is the Superfund, by law, makes their own investment decisions.

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01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 7: They have to do that consistent with a responsible investment framework.

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01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 7: But it's not for me as the Minister to direct

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01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 7: them on individual investment decisions. They've themselves responded to this

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01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,839
Speaker 7: issue and said, look, we don't think that this trigger

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01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 7: is an issue at this point. We've got really thorough

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01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 7: policies and processes here. And actually, when it comes to

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01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 7: companies like Airbnb, which is what this is about, the're

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 7: part of passive funds, we don't think it triggers the

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 7: need to put them on an exclusion list.

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01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: No, and it sounds like so it sounds like the

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 3: UN list that has been published here is really really tough.

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 3: It really does go quite hard on businesses like this.

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 3: Why are we listening to these guys at the UN?

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01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 3: Do we need to stop?

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01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 7: I don't think that the super fund is using the

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Speaker 7: UN as their investment guide at nautile date. They need

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 7: to consider a range of things and unsatisfied.

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Speaker 5: That they do that.

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Speaker 3: Nicola, are you up for selling Land Corp?

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 7: Well, as you know hither, as we've discussed on your

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01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 7: show before, the Prime Minister has committed we won't be

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01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 7: selling state owned enterprises this term. However, we are looking

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01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 7: at the purpose behind every entity that we own and

1668
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 7: asking ourselves is that achieving its purpose? Is it the

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01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 7: best use of taxpayer funds? And I can quite understand

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 7: and off the back of a big loss which that

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01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 7: PAMU Landcorp have posted, why some people will be asking

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01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 7: that question.

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 3: And so if you're considering it, maybe for next term,

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01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 3: will Landcorp be on that list?

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 7: Well, look, we are not going to get ahead of

1676
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 7: ourselves at the moment. We're looking at why do we

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01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 7: own them? Are they living up to their purpose? Are

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 7: they performing well? And those are all questions which are

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01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 7: very rele for Land Corp. Of course I would note

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 7: some of those farms farms that might in future be

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01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 7: used in a treaty settlement, let's historically being one of

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01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:13,440
Speaker 7: the reasons why the government has chosen to retain that portfolio.

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 7: But these are all questions that we're going through on

1684
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 7: a cam rat.

1685
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 3: And how long before those treaty settlements are settled?

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01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 7: Well, of course Minister Goldsmith is working to get them

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 7: all done as soon as possible.

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01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 3: Okay, well we need him to hurry up. Nicola, thank

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01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: you appreciate it. Nicola willis our finance minist here. So

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 3: act is called Act Loves a Little asset sale and

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01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 3: you know what.

1692
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 16: So do I.

1693
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 3: I love an asset sale if it's justified. I don't

1694
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 3: just love it for the sake of it. If it's justified,

1695
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 3: and I suspect that this may be a case of

1696
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 3: we should at least consider it. ACT is calling for

1697
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 3: the sale of Land Corp because it's reported a net

1698
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 3: loss after tax of twenty six million dollars for the

1699
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 3: year ending thirty June. I mean, seriously, it can't run

1700
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,799
Speaker 3: a farm, so why is it running farms? An independent

1701
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,560
Speaker 3: review and found in twenty twenty one found the organization

1702
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: failed to meet financial forecasts, had high corporate costs, and

1703
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 3: invested in unprofitable or farm ventures. Get rid of them

1704
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 3: sixteen past six.

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01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,759
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

1706
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

1707
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 2: HR platform for SME on newstalksb Hey.

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01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: By the way, the thing that I am really into,

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01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 3: which Nicoli Willis was just talking about, Yeah, I'm getting

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 3: your text son, justson, I'm going to get to that

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: before this half hours through. Don't worry about it. The

1712
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 3: thing that I'm really into that she was just talking

1713
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 3: about there was the performance measures for the councils, so

1714
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 3: that you can see what they're spending on what and

1715
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 3: basically do a comparison across councils. You could say I'm

1716
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 3: really irritated by my counsel. Let's just say, for example,

1717
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 3: up the Company Coast spending so much money on silly

1718
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 3: little gardens on top of bus stops. I wonder how

1719
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: much Auckland is spending on silly little gardens and old

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01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 3: zero dollars and then you're spending a lot. You can

1721
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 3: do a little comparison. And the reason I'm into it

1722
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 3: is because in the last few days the Wellington papers

1723
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 3: have carried the story that Wellington City Council has spent

1724
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 3: just in the last two years five hundred and eighteen

1725
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 3: dollars per household on cycle ways, So that is in

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Speaker 3: a year about two hundred and sixty dollars on cycleways

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01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 3: per household. And you ask yourself, if you're in Wellington,

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Speaker 3: whether you've got two hundred and sixty dollars worth of

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Speaker 3: joy out of that cycle way that you're using all

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Speaker 3: of the time. Not by comparison, the Netherlands spends the

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01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 3: equivalent of around sixty five dollars a year on cycleways

1732
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 3: now fair point. The Netherlands obviously do not need to

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Speaker 3: build all the infrastructure. They've already got it because they've

1734
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 3: been cycling for donkeys years. But in a cost of

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01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 3: living crisis, I think you can have a problem with that,

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Speaker 3: can't you. Twenty past six now US FED Reserve chair

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Speaker 3: j Powell has said that the time has come for

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Speaker 3: interest rate cuts. He's speaking at the fed's annual Jackson

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Speaker 3: Hole Retreat and Shane Solely from Harbor Ascid Management is

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01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 3: with us on the say Shane, ah, you, how did

1741
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 3: the markets react to this? How did he sound? What

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01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 3: was the tone?

1743
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 19: Well, the time has come. Jay here's certainly pulled depend

1744
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 19: on this and he said, look the upside rest inflation,

1745
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 19: they're diminished, so we're actually seeing a deflation disinflationary period

1746
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 19: of time. And he's more worried about this down so

1747
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 19: risk to the employment in the US. So he didn't

1748
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Speaker 19: commit to a particular pace of rate cuts. So that's

1749
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 19: left market it's a little bit wary the timing and

1750
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 19: the pace that's to be depending on data. It's always

1751
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 19: data dependent when it comes to central bankers. But overall

1752
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 19: it struck the right time with markets. We saw interest

1753
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 19: rates fall across the board, and we saw share markets

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01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 19: up and the U still a down, and I think

1755
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,560
Speaker 19: we really have seen something the market had expected, but

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01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 19: this confirmation here. So we've little bit more data out

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Speaker 19: this week sort of in the next few days, and

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01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 19: some house price data and some consumer confidence data, but

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01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 19: it's going to put more fuel on the when rather

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Speaker 19: than if and how much.

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Speaker 3: Man in New Zealand, it has been busy with all

1762
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 3: of the companies reporting in the last week or so.

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Speaker 3: You seeing any trends here and what you're actually witnessing.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, Unfortunately, we're seeing more misses against expectations. The companies

1765
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 19: are coming in slightly lower than expected than beats. But look,

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Speaker 19: it's kind of feeling there's a little bit of a

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01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 19: green shoots out there in a couple of big misses

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Speaker 19: from companies like Fletcher Building in spar The literacity companies

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01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 19: obviously had a bit of an impact from this dry year,

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Speaker 19: but there's some green shoots coming through, a bit of

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01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 19: costs peaking and certainly some companies starting to show some

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01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 19: confidence in terms of talking about the future, in terms

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Speaker 19: of growth, a couple talking about buying back their own shoes.

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Speaker 19: Even so, there is a sort of a feeling we're

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01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 19: balanced along the bottom. It's a bit hazy, but certainly

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01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 19: this sort of suggestion we're seeing the worst of things.

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Speaker 3: And then this upcoming week we've got a whole bunch

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 3: as well. I think a New Zealand's probably going to

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01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 3: be one of the big ones, and probably not that flash.

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Speaker 3: What else is going on?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, look, we've got another thirty end companies reporting this week.

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01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 19: We had Chorus the Lions Company out today a better

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01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 19: result than expected driven Sorry that actually result wasn't that

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01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 19: wasn't better, but they provided a high dividend income payment

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01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 19: which saw the stock price cup nine percent. A couple

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Speaker 19: of others out thereday property for Misty Steel and Tube

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01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 19: Somerset all online and they were just noting a bit

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01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 19: of a caution around the recovery and the board of

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Speaker 19: these own economy. Tomorrow, I've got media companies, ADM Holdings,

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01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 19: Victor of Vulcan Steel. Wednesday, Meridian Precinct Property Scales, and

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 19: then Thursdays you say you're New Zeon and Heartland Group.

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01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 19: So assuming another bunch of companies, some exposed to domestic economy,

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01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 19: some less so. But you know, with fingers, Christ we

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01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 19: might be seeing the bottom of the evenings downgrade cycle

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01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 19: for New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's hoping. Shane's good to talk to you as always. Well,

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01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 3: talk to you next week again. Look after yourself, Shane

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 3: solely Harboracic Management. Hey, good news. Kate Middleton has been

1799
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 3: seeing going to church for the first time since the

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01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 3: cancer diagnosis. Now this is not It was in bellmorl

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01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 3: and she and William were driving, you know, in the

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01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 3: in the land rover or whatever, and they were photographed.

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01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 3: The whole thing would have been orchestrated. Now obviously we're

1804
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: not excited for her soul, not like Yay, she's gone

1805
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 3: back to church, thank God. It's more that it's that

1806
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 3: she's out on about and that's generally a good sign

1807
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 3: because these things take energy and if you're not feeling

1808
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: that well, then you know it's not that great. If

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01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 3: you're feeling a little bit better, that's why you're off

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01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 3: to church, aren't you. Six twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's macro, microbe or just plain economics, all on

1812
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: the Business Hour with Heather duple c Allen and my HR,

1813
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme US.

1814
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 3: TALKSB six twenty six. Apparently the employers are using AI

1815
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 3: a lot more at the moment to do the first

1816
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 3: round of interviews in the screen, screen in the ones

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01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 3: they want and screen out the ones they don't want,

1818
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 3: particularly in hospit and retail. But it's not going down

1819
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 3: well with some of the people being interviewed. We'll chat

1820
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: to the person who's actually founded the app that these

1821
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 3: guys are using. She'll be with us after the headlines. Now,

1822
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 3: as to the question of New Zealand culture is booming

1823
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 3: around the world, do we have Jaisinda Ardurn to thank

1824
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 3: for it? Allow me to respond to Nel Frizzell. Jasind

1825
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 3: Ardun was the Prime Minister from twenty seventeen. Peter Jackson

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01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 3: made Lord of the Rings in twenty two thousand and one.

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01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 3: Jacinda was still in university, so no, no, I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to thank her for that and show no. Tiger

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01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 3: y t T was already making the international film Thor

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01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 3: before Jacinda even got into the labor leadership, so yeah, no.

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 3: Fly to the Concords was a decade before she became

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01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 3: the leader. She wasn't even in parliament, so no. Jane

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01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 3: Campion made the piano when Jacinda was thirteen, so almost

1834
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: a hard no to that one. That wasn't just Cinda

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01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 3: that one. Ellanor Katton put out The Luminaries twenty thirteen

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01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,799
Speaker 3: when John Key was still at his height and everybody

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 3: still massively loved him. So again no, And that's also

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01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 3: the same year that Lord put out Royal Something. Gonna

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01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 3: say no to pretty much all of them. I can't

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: speak for the Rose Matafaos and the Guy Montgomery's and

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01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 3: the Alice Sneddins. I feel like maybe, I like, maybe

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01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,560
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of interest in them because you know,

1843
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 3: justa Cinda but I mean bless But is Rose Madafeo

1844
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 3: rolling around with millions of dollars and just buying like

1845
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 3: hoovering up land in Wellington because she's just a baller

1846
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 3: now like Peter Jackson. No, so it's a different league,

1847
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 3: isn't it. So maybe Jacinda can sort of like take

1848
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: a little bit of credit for the Minno's, like the

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01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 3: young ones who are coming through, and heck, maybe one

1850
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 3: day they'll be absolute superstars.

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01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 10: I somehow suspect.

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01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 3: They'd want to get there on their own, you know what.

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01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 3: So anyway, but I just feel like sub sub question

1854
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 3: on this one. Don't you have to try a little

1855
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 3: bit harder when you're writing articles for the Guardian or

1856
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 3: just any idea can just go in there now, because

1857
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 3: is what it feels like, isn't that Headline's next?

1858
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 2: Everything from SMS to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1859
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: with Heather dupless Ellen and my HR, the HR platform

1860
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: for sme us talks.

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Speaker 1: That'd be Jesus. Yeah.

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01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 3: The reason there is more New Zealand culture around the

1863
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 3: world thanks to our journers because so many people left

1864
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 3: the country because of.

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01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: Our do.

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 3: I like what you're doing there, Hayden. I like, that's

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01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 3: a that's a lot I still know because I mean

1868
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: otherwise we were leaving in two thousand and one because

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01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 3: we knew what was all nineteen ninety three, because we

1870
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: knew what was coming. It didn't happen anyway. Gavin Gray

1871
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 3: out of the UK with us very shortly, in about

1872
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: ten minutes. I'm twenty four away from seven.

1873
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: So Heather du Clo bleed out.

1874
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 3: More and more companies are using AI for recruiting staff.

1875
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 3: Spark Kymart Wilworths. All of these guys in retail and

1876
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 3: hospital Apart from Spark obviously, they all use the software

1877
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 3: by a company called sapier Ai Now the program basically

1878
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 3: does the chat and video interviews and then scores the

1879
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: candidate's written responses. The results can then be tracked by

1880
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 3: the hiring team. Woolworths a loan has used the system

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01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: to interview fifty nine thousand people in the past year.

1882
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: Saperai founder and CEO barb Heiman is with us. Now, Hey, Bob, Hi,

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01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 3: how does this work?

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01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 17: So?

1885
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 3: Does it just ask sort of basic questions of the

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01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 3: first round applicants and then screen out the ones who've

1887
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 3: got no shot?

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01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what we do is basically do the interview

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01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 5: for you. If you think about hiring, you want to

1890
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 5: meet someone, get to know them, figure out whether they're

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01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 5: the right flit for the job. The technology does it

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01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 5: for you. It does it in a way that is friendly.

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01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 5: It's not time pressured, and so you see amazing feedback

1894
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 5: from candidate's Candidates love it that don't feel stressed. It's

1895
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 5: much more inclusive for those with a disability, and it

1896
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 5: allows you to get to the best candidates really fast,

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01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 5: and often getting to the best candidates first means that

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01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 5: you win them.

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01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: How does it do the video interviews? I mean I

1900
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 3: can understand if you're doing like a text a text interview,

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01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: you can sort of screen out like that, But what

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01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 3: about a video one? What are you looking for there?

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01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 5: So the video there is no AI at all, and

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01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 5: we strongly believe that. Look, I would love video to

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01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 5: disappear as a tool to evaluate people because I think

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01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 5: it's very hard to remote bias. You know, most biases

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01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 5: are unconscious. The video is there is what we call

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01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 5: another data point, another signal, So someone has to watch

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01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 5: it and make a decision. You see data the AI to.

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01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 3: The Does the AI do a video interview that's recorded

1911
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 3: and then somebody needs to watch it? Does that how

1912
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: it works?

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01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not really an AI doing the video. It's

1914
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 5: just like any video. You might use zoom to a video.

1915
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 5: There's no AI in the video at all. The AI

1916
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 5: comes into the chat. So what we're doing is taking

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01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 5: language data. How does your respond to a question about

1918
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,959
Speaker 5: how you work with the team, how you work with customers?

1919
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 5: And what do we learn from that response? Do we

1920
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 5: learn that you're someone who's great with people, that you

1921
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 5: really humble, that you're a fast learner, that you're a

1922
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 5: good thinker. That's what we're doing, which is what humans do.

1923
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 5: But we're doing it without all the bias that we

1924
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 5: humans bring, and that's using science has been around for

1925
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 5: decades now, natural language processing, and that's what provides for

1926
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 5: the accuracy of hiring, so that you hire people who

1927
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 5: end up staying, not people who come in and leave

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01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 5: one week later.

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Speaker 3: So being a quick thinker is a positive.

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Speaker 5: Well depends on what the role requires. So each role

1931
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 5: has its own custom requirements. If you think about your

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01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 5: hiring for someone in your team, or you're hiring for

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01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 5: someone for customer service cabin crew, it's fundamentally different what's

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01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 5: important for the role. So depending on what's important for

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01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 5: the role dictates the traits and the qualities that we're

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Speaker 5: looking for. Some jobs require really high critical thinking and

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01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 5: amazing comm skills, others don't. And then we're identifying the questions.

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01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 5: We're creating the questions, which are always what we call behavioral.

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Speaker 5: They ask you to draw on what you've done in

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Speaker 5: the past, and in that basis, you get everyone to

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Speaker 5: share their story of who they are in a way

1942
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Speaker 5: that is obviously a lot more comfortable than what it

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Speaker 5: often is for people facing someone across the table, which

1944
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Speaker 5: is scary for a lot of candidates.

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Speaker 3: Out there, Bob. If if being a quick thinker is

1946
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Speaker 3: something that's a positive, presumably you are required to answer

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Speaker 3: pretty articulately quite fast. That would surely disin' you're not.

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Speaker 5: So what's really important is that the chat is not timed.

1949
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Speaker 5: You could take an hour, you could take twenty minutes,

1950
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Speaker 5: you could come back to it five times. Well, we're

1951
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Speaker 5: not testing for quick viki. What we're testing for is

1952
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Speaker 5: attributes like critical thinking or are you someone that's brilliant

1953
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Speaker 5: a customer service? Are you someone that goes above and beyond?

1954
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Speaker 5: Are you someone that has good communication skills? But speed

1955
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 5: we don't see in any way is correlated with quality

1956
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Speaker 5: of higher So it is an untimed interview.

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Speaker 3: Right, So how do you though? I mean, one of

1958
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Speaker 3: the things that I imagine you're going to struggle to

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Speaker 3: actually quantify is charisma, personality, enthusiasm, tone, which is all

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Speaker 3: the stuff that you get in in actual face to

1961
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Speaker 3: face interviews. How can you possibly pick up whether somebody's

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Speaker 3: got that?

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Speaker 5: Well, we would say that those are heuristics. They are

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Speaker 5: signs that we look for based on our gut or

1965
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 5: we think what we think drive success in a role.

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Speaker 5: You gaves a lot of conversation about vibe hiring, but

1967
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 5: is that actually delivering results for your business? You know,

1968
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Speaker 5: what we're trying to solve for is who actually is

1969
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Speaker 5: a fit for the role?

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Speaker 14: Do you think it would be great and stick around?

1971
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Speaker 5: I do? I mean, what does vibe high mean? Vibe

1972
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Speaker 5: high means basically I like you, yeah, and I think

1973
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Speaker 5: you're a good fit for the brand. It's what we

1974
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Speaker 5: call mirror hiring, and mirror hiring is a recipe for BIS.

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Speaker 3: But our guts have been have been trained for flipping millennia.

1976
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 5: But they're leading us astray. If you think about the

1977
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 5: two most important decisions to make in our life, who

1978
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 5: do we partner with?

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Speaker 14: Where do we work?

1980
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Speaker 5: We get it wrong most of the time, and so

1981
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 5: you know, how do you kind of debias? The gut

1982
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 5: and the gut and bias is a wonderful shortcut to

1983
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Speaker 5: make a fast decision, but it doesn't necessarily.

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Speaker 14: Make it a good decision.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, are you going to roll out some AI

1986
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Speaker 3: for picking husbands and wives?

1987
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Speaker 16: Now?

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Speaker 5: You know what I can't if I would be a

1989
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Speaker 5: millionaire From the number of times people have said that

1990
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Speaker 5: to me. Really, yeah, everyone wants to use AI to

1991
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Speaker 5: try and figure out the right partner, not the partner

1992
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Speaker 5: that you pick because they you know, they meet your parents' expectations,

1993
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Speaker 5: or they're a bit of a smunk. You know, how

1994
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Speaker 5: do you actually choose someone who really aligns with your values?

1995
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Speaker 5: Like you can do that through science. It's just that

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01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 5: we as humans feel really uncomfortable using science, you know,

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Speaker 5: data and anything but the gut or the gut of

1998
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 5: our friends and family to help us on those decisions.

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Speaker 14: It's a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Human bias really around using a DIF for an approach

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Speaker 5: for these decisions.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Bob, thank you very much for talking us through

2003
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Speaker 3: to find they absolutely fascinating. It's Bob Heiman, founder and

2004
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Speaker 3: CEO of sapa Ai. Do you know what I beat you?

2005
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 3: There is something out there where you can find a

2006
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 3: partner you can I mean, that's basically what Tinder is,

2007
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,519
Speaker 3: isn't it where you sort of like you put all

2008
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 3: your important stuff. But it's it's not smart enough. You've

2009
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 3: got to go for You've got to go for more

2010
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 3: than that. You've got to go for values. Like like

2011
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 3: values to me would be how often do you wash

2012
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 3: the sheets? Do you wipe the bench after you've made

2013
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 3: a coffee and left the crimes, you know, like that

2014
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 3: kind of stuff like I'm into that. I think that's

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01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 3: really important and that kind of most of those things.

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Speaker 3: If the AI could just solve that stuff like no

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Speaker 3: lies please, also has to screen out whether the person

2018
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 3: is lying. Just to impress you, it could fix all

2019
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 3: of that stuff. How many marriages would be saved by

2020
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 3: the dishwasher washer being packed properly? I listen. Champion of

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01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 3: the Day David Beagle. David Beagle, what a legend, because

2022
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: you know how I feel about the parking charges with

2023
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 3: these people who are ripping us off for it, and

2024
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 3: they are David has had a fight with Wilson Parking

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Speaker 3: and he has come out tops because he has not

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Speaker 3: given up. And I like this about David. So what

2027
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 3: happened is just before Christmas last year. Oh yes, that's

2028
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 3: how far back we're going. Eight months. Just before Christmas

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01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,799
Speaker 3: last year last year, David parked at Clyde Wharf Clyde

2030
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Speaker 3: Key Wharf in Wellington on the waterfront and when he

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01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 3: came back to the car, he had an eighty five

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Speaker 3: dollar fine from Parking Enforcement Services, which is Wilson Parking,

2033
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Speaker 3: because of course he did. They're not going to miss

2034
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 3: an opportunity are they They were like, look there's a cap.

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Speaker 3: Slap it with a fine. Yeah, is it an one

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Speaker 3: of our parks? Nah, slap it with a fine. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: the park was clearly signposted as Wellington City Council owned

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Speaker 3: and not Wilson Council owned. So he decided that he

2039
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 3: was going to take this up with Wilson and he

2040
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 3: was told to appeal online, so he did and that

2041
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Speaker 3: began his eight month saga. He said the system appeared

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01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 3: to be deliberately reductive, with calls being a calls made

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Speaker 3: during office hours, left unanswered, emails replied to outside the

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01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 3: quota ten business dales days. He appealed the ticket three

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Speaker 3: times over the following eight months. They added more charges.

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Speaker 3: They took total to one hundred and thirty five dollars.

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Speaker 3: Wellington City Council backed them up. They were like, hey guys, Wilson,

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Speaker 3: Hey Wilson, he was in our car park, Wilson and

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Speaker 3: that still not Wilson got Bay Corp involved inn he

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Speaker 3: finally David Beagle decided he had a guts full and

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Speaker 3: he got in touch with Labor MP. Duncan web quite

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Speaker 3: why Duncan, I'm not sure, mate, oh, because Duncan is

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Speaker 3: the guy who Yeah, Duncan's on my team, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: Duncan and I were coming after the parking people, so

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Speaker 3: he got in touch with Duncan. Good option from you.

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Speaker 3: David also got in touch with the media and guess

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Speaker 3: what Wilson waived the fine, didn't They Good on you, David.

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Speaker 3: That's how you just fight it. Guys fight it. If

2059
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 3: we fight it, if we all fight it together, then

2060
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 3: maybe maybe we can win, but maybe not. We probably

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01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 3: need some law changes called it to.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 2: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme US Talk.

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Speaker 3: Say'd be Kevin Grays, O UK correspondent Gavin Hello, Hi

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Speaker 3: there Heaven. What's going on with the captain the boat

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Speaker 3: that sunk?

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Speaker 20: Well, it's just being reported just in the last few

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Speaker 20: minutes that James Cutfield, a fifty one year old New

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Speaker 20: Zealand national, has now been placed under an official investigation

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Speaker 20: of the sinking of the Baysian super yacht. That was

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Speaker 20: the yacht that sank off Sicily last week, killing the

2073
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Speaker 20: British tech billionaire Mike Lynch. And six others. To be clear,

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Speaker 20: being placed under investigation in Italy does not imply guilt.

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Speaker 20: It does not mean formal charges would necessarily follow. But

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Speaker 20: this is an investigation that now has come up, and

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Speaker 20: as opposed to looking at the investigation as to the sinking,

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Speaker 20: this is specifically an investigation it is reported into the

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Speaker 20: captain at that time and at the moment of course,

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Speaker 20: everyone's been looking at the weather conditions that the manufacturers

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Speaker 20: of the yacht have been saying, look, you know, if

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01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 20: everything had been followed and done according to plan, this

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Speaker 20: yacht would not have sank. I think are the allegations

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Speaker 20: around which this has now focused. But as I said,

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01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 20: this is news just in unconfirmed reports, but it has

2086
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 20: now been reported in a couple of the Italian media

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Speaker 20: as well. With maritime law, they're giving a captain full

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Speaker 20: responsibility for the ship and the crew as well as

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Speaker 20: all those on board givennesson.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much you know about maritime law.

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Speaker 3: But could man's laughter relate to the fact that the

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01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 3: portholes weren't closed and there wasn't a sufficient warning and

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01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 3: these people weren't told to get off the boat in

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Speaker 3: time before the storm. Can it apply to that.

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Speaker 20: Yes, I think it can, and that is precisely I

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Speaker 20: think what the earlier allegations had been. The Italian prosecutors

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Speaker 20: held a press conference at the weekend where it was

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Speaker 20: revealed the victims were unable to escape as they may

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Speaker 20: have been asleep. They've scrambled to one side of the

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Speaker 20: ship in search of air pockets, but obviously unfortunately weren't

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01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 20: able to manage to escape. And one line of inquiry

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Speaker 20: being pursued by prosecutors is whether the nine survived crew

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Speaker 20: members raised the alarm before they managed to escape, and yes,

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Speaker 20: how the so much water managed to get onto the

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Speaker 20: yacht before it actually sank and maybe obviously causing it

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Speaker 20: to sink with those extreme weather conditions which have been forecasts.

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Speaker 20: But as I said, early information just coming through there

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Speaker 20: from Italy.

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Speaker 3: Devin, why is this telegram check being arrested in France.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it's a really complicated story. So this is involving

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Speaker 20: Pavel Durov. He is the boss of Telegram and he

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Speaker 20: was in his private jet landing at Paris Airport La Borges,

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Speaker 20: which is one used by often businessmen and so forth,

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Speaker 20: when he was detained. Now, according to the officials, the

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Speaker 20: thirty nine year old billionaire was arrested under warrant for

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Speaker 20: offenses relating to the popular messaging app Telegram. Bosses have

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Speaker 20: since said he's got nothing to hide, but the investigation

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Speaker 20: is reportedly around the lack of moderators and the fact

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Speaker 20: that it's alleged that mister Durov has failed to take

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Speaker 20: steps to curb criminal uses of Telegram. Durov lives in Dubai.

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Speaker 20: He is of course born and a Russian national and

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Speaker 20: actually holds dual citizenship as well now with the United

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Speaker 20: Arab Emirates and France, and Telegram has been incredibly popular,

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01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 20: has suddenly spun out of enormous wealth and value. But

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01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,440
Speaker 20: there have been huge concerns among investigators and police operators

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Speaker 20: around the world, saying it has basically become the go

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Speaker 20: to messaging forum for criminals and more needs to be

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Speaker 20: done to stop that. And I think that's now why

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Speaker 20: the officials in Paris have arrested him.

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Speaker 10: Have you seen the.

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Speaker 3: Photograph of him in the Telegraph today with his top off?

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Speaker 20: I saw one where he's sitting in an ice bath.

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Speaker 8: Yes, why is he doing that?

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Speaker 3: Why is he taking his top off and sitting in

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Speaker 3: an icepath? Is he just one of these eccentric tick guys.

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Speaker 20: I think he quite likes to show that he's a

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Speaker 20: you know, up and coming man of the world, et cetera,

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Speaker 20: et cetera. But yeah, you won't be seeing any pictures.

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Speaker 4: Of men and.

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Speaker 3: Gavin, thank you very much, appreciated. Gavin gray are UK corresponding, Yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: I clicked on the link in the Telegraph because I

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Speaker 3: was like, what's that so? And it was I wasn't

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Speaker 3: even really interested in the fact that he'd been arrested,

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Speaker 3: although you know, subsequently was interested, and I just wanted

2145
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Speaker 3: to look at what that because he's standing there, this

2146
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 3: man is cut like, this man has a body to

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Speaker 3: be proud of, and he's a tech nerd. Who would

2148
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Speaker 3: have known And in this particular photograph, he's got this

2149
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 3: black scarf weird thing. It's all very weird. It's like

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Speaker 3: weird and sort of artie. He's got a black scarf

2151
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Speaker 3: around his neck and then like the tail end of

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Speaker 3: the scarf wrapped around with bays that I don't really

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Speaker 3: know why, but I don't care, because I just spent

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Speaker 3: a long time looking at the abs, which you're going

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Speaker 3: to go and look at now, aren't you? Pavel Durov

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Speaker 3: spelt as it said.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro MicroB or just playing economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 2: and my HR, the HR platform for SME Neusip.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he should wear a top in an

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Speaker 3: ice bath? Heather wearing one would be weird. We're spending

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Speaker 3: a lot of time talking about whether Pavol what's his

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Speaker 3: name again, to Pavel Pavel anyway, the tech nerd from Russia.

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Speaker 3: We're spending a lot of time talking about whether he

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Speaker 3: should be wearing a top. And I just think the

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Speaker 3: general rule from him here on in is no top.

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Speaker 3: Just go around with no top and you're going to

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Speaker 3: win all of the time. It is like Ken Dole.

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Speaker 3: That's how cut he is, a little bit sad. We're

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Speaker 3: going to end the show the bit of sad news

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Speaker 3: for your end of an era. The Too We Brewery

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Speaker 3: and Mangatunoka doesn't brew anymore beer anymore, so it's not

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Speaker 3: a Too We brewery. It's just a tooy building. Now, Actually,

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Speaker 3: what's up with these guys? A hasn't been brewing for

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Speaker 3: three years and no one even told us, and we've

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Speaker 3: only just found out. I think apparently it's started because

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Speaker 3: of COVID, because everything was difficult because of COVID, and

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Speaker 3: it's all those rules that just Cinda and Ashley had,

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Speaker 3: like you couldn't go near anyone whatever, and so they

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Speaker 3: couldn't brew there and so they had to move the

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Speaker 3: brewing operation apparently to Auckland and to Maru and it's

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Speaker 3: been like that ever since COVID basically, and it's sad

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Speaker 3: because beer had been brewed there since eighteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 3: You can still go and do beer tastings though, so

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Speaker 3: you could sort of imagine.

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Speaker 18: And we're doing it Wonderwall by Oasis to play us

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Speaker 18: out tonight because of the well, yeah, it's looking pretty

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Speaker 18: concrete the rumors that it's happening because both Noel Gallagher

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Speaker 18: and Liam Gallagher have put stuff on their social media,

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Speaker 18: like the same post on their social media saying that

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Speaker 18: something is going to be announced just over twenty four

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Speaker 18: hours from now at seven pm tomorrow, so seven pm

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Speaker 18: our time, seven pm out.

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Speaker 8: Time, eight am. That sucks gam Tuesday.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I was gonna say so, just in time for

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Speaker 18: our show to be over, So look forward to Sports

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Speaker 18: Talk with us who will tomorrow for the latest on

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Speaker 18: what Nolan and Liam were getting up to now.

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Speaker 3: Ants if Oasis do a reunion and come to New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot fs there. Would you go and see them?

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Speaker 18: Oh, don't don't make me put it? Come on in

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Speaker 18: Trouble for twenty twelve. I got in trouble recently for

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Speaker 18: saying that I skipped Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds set

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Speaker 18: at the Big Day Out because I wanted to go

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Speaker 18: see Nero and I was Apparently that's just out of

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Speaker 18: sacrilege and I should never admit to that. Yes, they're great,

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Speaker 18: are they?

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Speaker 3: I thought Nero was one person.

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Speaker 18: A new album from Nero coming out next week and

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Speaker 18: we're really looking forward to that.

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Speaker 3: I would spend a lot of money to go and

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Speaker 3: see LASiS, I'm gonna tell you that now. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I would probably go to Australia. Yeah, I'd probably go

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Speaker 3: to Australia like the Swift Eas did with I'd do

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Speaker 3: that for Oasis because what a time they were. Enjoy

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Speaker 3: the rest of the See tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: For more from Heather Dupless Allen Drive. Listen live to

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Speaker 2: news Talk sai'd Be from four pm weekdays, or follow

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