1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B. 3 00:00:12,787 --> 00:00:14,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, the curtain about to come down on one of 4 00:00:14,467 --> 00:00:17,907 Speaker 2: the great black Caps Test careers, Tim Southey in his 5 00:00:17,987 --> 00:00:21,667 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventh and final Test match against England 6 00:00:21,707 --> 00:00:25,027 Speaker 2: in Hamilton. BJ Wattling made his Test debut in two 7 00:00:25,107 --> 00:00:29,027 Speaker 2: thousand and nine, eighteen months after Tim Southey came into 8 00:00:29,067 --> 00:00:32,747 Speaker 2: the side and played seventy five Test matches for New Zealand. 9 00:00:32,907 --> 00:00:39,947 Speaker 2: Sixty one of those were alongside Tim Southy. Yeah, Saudi 10 00:00:40,067 --> 00:00:44,547 Speaker 2: is back and Saudi finishes things off AND's Rory Burns 11 00:00:44,627 --> 00:00:45,507 Speaker 2: fine innings. 12 00:00:45,507 --> 00:00:48,267 Speaker 1: He's caught behind six for forty. 13 00:00:47,987 --> 00:00:52,067 Speaker 2: Three for him, Court Watling Bold Southey is the most 14 00:00:52,107 --> 00:00:56,467 Speaker 2: common dismissal in New Zealand Test cricket history. Seventy five 15 00:00:56,627 --> 00:01:01,027 Speaker 2: opposition batters have been out Court Watling Bold south in 16 00:01:01,107 --> 00:01:03,587 Speaker 2: Test cricket. BJ Watling's with us Bjack. Can we go 17 00:01:03,627 --> 00:01:05,587 Speaker 2: all the way back? Can you remember the first time 18 00:01:06,147 --> 00:01:10,947 Speaker 2: you met or were aware of Tim Southy? 19 00:01:11,107 --> 00:01:15,627 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think the first time I saw Timmy was 20 00:01:15,787 --> 00:01:19,307 Speaker 3: as at one of our district tournaments. I think he 21 00:01:19,387 --> 00:01:21,947 Speaker 3: was about fifteen or sixteen at the time playing for 22 00:01:22,587 --> 00:01:27,987 Speaker 3: playing for Northland, his home association, and well, what I 23 00:01:28,027 --> 00:01:30,347 Speaker 3: remember the most about that till I think he actually 24 00:01:30,427 --> 00:01:32,587 Speaker 3: ended up getting up fifty in one of the games 25 00:01:32,867 --> 00:01:37,507 Speaker 3: in about five or six sixes, so I guess no 26 00:01:37,627 --> 00:01:42,547 Speaker 3: surprises that he's got ninety five test sixes. But yeah, 27 00:01:42,747 --> 00:01:46,387 Speaker 3: that was the first memory of Timmy. And I think 28 00:01:46,387 --> 00:01:49,467 Speaker 3: I also was billeted at his house and I was 29 00:01:49,507 --> 00:01:54,067 Speaker 3: about fourteen. He's a little bit younger then and I 30 00:01:54,147 --> 00:01:56,507 Speaker 3: used to play with his older brother for in down 31 00:01:56,507 --> 00:02:00,547 Speaker 3: to fourteen and got bulleted at his place there up 32 00:02:00,587 --> 00:02:01,627 Speaker 3: there in bung Ray. 33 00:02:02,227 --> 00:02:05,547 Speaker 2: So were you aware of any noise around about him 34 00:02:05,547 --> 00:02:08,187 Speaker 2: as a team It was they talk of this Tim 35 00:02:08,267 --> 00:02:10,227 Speaker 2: Soudy from Northland being a guy to keep an eye on. 36 00:02:11,747 --> 00:02:15,067 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean a little bit older than Timmy. 37 00:02:15,107 --> 00:02:17,667 Speaker 3: But when he first came onto the scene at that tournament, 38 00:02:17,747 --> 00:02:21,827 Speaker 3: there was certainly a favorite of chat about Timmy and 39 00:02:22,467 --> 00:02:24,867 Speaker 3: he was a good rugby player as well. He likes 40 00:02:24,867 --> 00:02:28,947 Speaker 3: to think that's still these days, I reckon, but there 41 00:02:29,027 --> 00:02:31,507 Speaker 3: was certainly chat that there was this young kid coming 42 00:02:31,587 --> 00:02:35,027 Speaker 3: through that could they could certainly play cricket, and it 43 00:02:35,147 --> 00:02:37,507 Speaker 3: all happened pretty quickly for him at the time. 44 00:02:38,067 --> 00:02:40,227 Speaker 2: So when you think about those sixty one Test matches, 45 00:02:40,627 --> 00:02:43,907 Speaker 2: most of them crouching behind the stumps as Tim Soudi 46 00:02:43,987 --> 00:02:46,867 Speaker 2: came running into bowl What stands out the most about 47 00:02:46,907 --> 00:02:49,387 Speaker 2: his bowling for New Zealand and Red Bull Cricket to you. 48 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:55,747 Speaker 3: Would you have to say the swing and skill that 49 00:02:55,867 --> 00:03:01,627 Speaker 3: he's possessed for a long period of time. I mean, 50 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:03,587 Speaker 3: the way that he always shaped it away from the 51 00:03:04,587 --> 00:03:08,627 Speaker 3: right handers and challenge the least pandas stumps and then 52 00:03:08,827 --> 00:03:12,867 Speaker 3: LBW was certainly oppressive. And he added some skills throughout 53 00:03:12,907 --> 00:03:17,507 Speaker 3: his career and the three quarterball that he utilizes certainly 54 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:20,427 Speaker 3: has been a challenge for a number of about us 55 00:03:20,467 --> 00:03:23,067 Speaker 3: over the years. But I think he will always be 56 00:03:23,227 --> 00:03:26,027 Speaker 3: remembered for the skill that he's had with the swing 57 00:03:26,107 --> 00:03:28,667 Speaker 3: of that ball away and then swinging it so late, 58 00:03:28,787 --> 00:03:30,907 Speaker 3: and yeah, was. 59 00:03:30,907 --> 00:03:33,587 Speaker 2: There a sweet spot bejre? Was there a time you 60 00:03:33,667 --> 00:03:37,067 Speaker 2: can remember when he was bowling at the absolute peak 61 00:03:37,067 --> 00:03:38,827 Speaker 2: of his powers when you thought every time he bowled, 62 00:03:38,907 --> 00:03:40,187 Speaker 2: you know someone was going to neck one to you, 63 00:03:43,027 --> 00:03:43,747 Speaker 2: I mean, I think. 64 00:03:43,667 --> 00:03:48,467 Speaker 3: He's been a pretty consistent performer over I don't know 65 00:03:48,507 --> 00:03:53,627 Speaker 3: how many years, but obviously over one hundred tests. Yeah, 66 00:03:53,827 --> 00:03:57,507 Speaker 3: I think when he's swinging at his latest that that's 67 00:03:57,627 --> 00:04:04,067 Speaker 3: when he was at his best. There's there's many a 68 00:04:04,147 --> 00:04:10,307 Speaker 3: test that I remember the bay. I know he used 69 00:04:10,347 --> 00:04:13,507 Speaker 3: the crease a lot too, and he's developed that skill 70 00:04:13,667 --> 00:04:16,987 Speaker 3: after a few years of playing. But the ability to 71 00:04:17,107 --> 00:04:21,147 Speaker 3: use the crease and uses his skills, I think during 72 00:04:21,227 --> 00:04:25,187 Speaker 3: that period you'd have to give me the stats when 73 00:04:25,187 --> 00:04:28,547 Speaker 3: he was gone at his best, but potentially just before 74 00:04:28,627 --> 00:04:32,427 Speaker 3: that that World's his Championship final. I know his record 75 00:04:32,467 --> 00:04:34,187 Speaker 3: at home for a long period of time was was 76 00:04:34,267 --> 00:04:35,347 Speaker 3: certainly very very good. 77 00:04:35,827 --> 00:04:37,827 Speaker 2: I guess he was bowling in the one twenties one thirties, 78 00:04:37,907 --> 00:04:39,227 Speaker 2: wasn't he was there ever a time when he let 79 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:41,227 Speaker 2: one ripe? Could he actually get it through quite quickly? 80 00:04:43,307 --> 00:04:45,747 Speaker 3: Well, for the most part, I think he was operating 81 00:04:45,787 --> 00:04:48,947 Speaker 3: at one thirty five obviously his nice height, and he 82 00:04:49,067 --> 00:04:51,707 Speaker 3: was able to hit the work very hard. So that's 83 00:04:52,587 --> 00:04:55,787 Speaker 3: that's to me, and for a long period of time 84 00:04:55,867 --> 00:04:59,467 Speaker 3: he did that. I know Chris cd our fitness trainer, 85 00:04:59,507 --> 00:05:01,987 Speaker 3: worked extremely hard with him over the years to keep 86 00:05:02,067 --> 00:05:05,187 Speaker 3: his body on or to keep his body fit enough 87 00:05:05,267 --> 00:05:08,467 Speaker 3: to play international crack at him. I think a testament 88 00:05:08,547 --> 00:05:10,747 Speaker 3: to him to be able to do that as a 89 00:05:10,827 --> 00:05:15,547 Speaker 3: fast bowler for over one hundred tests. Yeah, it's certainly 90 00:05:15,787 --> 00:05:16,947 Speaker 3: a pretty special achievement. 91 00:05:17,907 --> 00:05:21,267 Speaker 2: Did he seek out advice from you? Did you offer 92 00:05:21,307 --> 00:05:23,227 Speaker 2: advice to him? He had a pretty good view obviously 93 00:05:23,307 --> 00:05:26,347 Speaker 2: of him bowling to opposition batters. Was he one to 94 00:05:26,787 --> 00:05:27,627 Speaker 2: ask for advice? 95 00:05:30,507 --> 00:05:33,547 Speaker 3: We always had good discussions myself and Timy. I know 96 00:05:33,667 --> 00:05:37,747 Speaker 3: we've discussed getting out batters in certain flaws that we 97 00:05:37,827 --> 00:05:41,387 Speaker 3: thought they might have. I know, early on in his 98 00:05:41,547 --> 00:05:45,907 Speaker 3: career the mixture of white ball and red bull was 99 00:05:45,947 --> 00:05:48,107 Speaker 3: a little bit of a challenge for him. I think 100 00:05:48,187 --> 00:05:52,307 Speaker 3: white ball you can lower the arm sometimes and then 101 00:05:52,347 --> 00:05:55,027 Speaker 3: you look into bottle more variations, etc. And then so 102 00:05:55,387 --> 00:05:58,507 Speaker 3: the ability to adapt back into red bull trying to 103 00:05:58,507 --> 00:06:00,987 Speaker 3: swing that ball late again could be a challenge, but 104 00:06:01,867 --> 00:06:04,867 Speaker 3: he figured it out really quickly in his younger days. 105 00:06:06,547 --> 00:06:08,267 Speaker 3: And so I mean, those are the types of things 106 00:06:08,307 --> 00:06:10,427 Speaker 3: that we might talk about a little bit of that 107 00:06:11,147 --> 00:06:13,027 Speaker 3: was what I see down at the keeper's end is 108 00:06:13,067 --> 00:06:18,667 Speaker 3: potentially that tallness in his action red bull cricket. But 109 00:06:18,987 --> 00:06:22,587 Speaker 3: apart from that, nothing nothing too detail, Just more how 110 00:06:22,627 --> 00:06:24,387 Speaker 3: we're going about this game and what do we need 111 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:27,947 Speaker 3: to do here to challenge the opposition. 112 00:06:28,787 --> 00:06:31,707 Speaker 2: Trent Bolt arrived in Test cricket in twenty twelve and 113 00:06:32,187 --> 00:06:35,627 Speaker 2: we know how potent a partnership the Saudi Bolt partnership was. 114 00:06:36,347 --> 00:06:38,427 Speaker 2: What made it so effective From your point of. 115 00:06:38,467 --> 00:06:42,467 Speaker 3: View, I think that the fact that they were left 116 00:06:42,507 --> 00:06:46,147 Speaker 3: hand right hand certainly helps swinging the ball with different directions. 117 00:06:48,147 --> 00:06:50,907 Speaker 3: They obviously had a very good friendship off the field 118 00:06:50,947 --> 00:06:56,187 Speaker 3: as well, and I think they enjoyed bowling at times together, 119 00:06:56,387 --> 00:06:59,707 Speaker 3: so I think those two factors certainly play a part. 120 00:07:01,907 --> 00:07:05,547 Speaker 3: They enjoyed the challenge potentially of going against each other, 121 00:07:06,427 --> 00:07:10,467 Speaker 3: that makes sense as well. Yeah, yeah, certainly a bit 122 00:07:10,507 --> 00:07:14,547 Speaker 3: of banter between them, but the two different skills to 123 00:07:14,667 --> 00:07:17,547 Speaker 3: be able to challenge and right handed left handers and 124 00:07:17,587 --> 00:07:20,987 Speaker 3: swinging it both ways, and it was certainly fun to 125 00:07:21,067 --> 00:07:22,187 Speaker 3: keep to at the time anyway. 126 00:07:22,427 --> 00:07:24,387 Speaker 2: And then once you throw Neil Wagner into that and 127 00:07:24,507 --> 00:07:27,307 Speaker 2: you think of that period of unprecedented success the team 128 00:07:27,387 --> 00:07:29,187 Speaker 2: had sort of in the late part of the twenty 129 00:07:29,267 --> 00:07:31,387 Speaker 2: tens up to twenty twenty and one towards the World 130 00:07:31,427 --> 00:07:34,427 Speaker 2: Test Championship final. As a wicket keeper that must have 131 00:07:34,507 --> 00:07:36,227 Speaker 2: just apart from having sore hands, at the end of 132 00:07:36,267 --> 00:07:38,227 Speaker 2: the day. It must have been brilliant with those three 133 00:07:38,467 --> 00:07:39,067 Speaker 2: with the red ball. 134 00:07:39,187 --> 00:07:43,347 Speaker 3: Was always fun here, always fun. Three very different bowlers 135 00:07:43,387 --> 00:07:47,747 Speaker 3: in their own right. And I guess two that could 136 00:07:47,907 --> 00:07:53,587 Speaker 3: utilize that newer ball or swinging conditions, and no disrespect 137 00:07:53,627 --> 00:07:56,547 Speaker 3: to where either that he could certainly utilize those as well. 138 00:07:56,627 --> 00:07:59,867 Speaker 3: But his strength obviously was doing some of those harder 139 00:07:59,987 --> 00:08:02,227 Speaker 3: yards and some of the hard Yaker and the second 140 00:08:02,267 --> 00:08:06,627 Speaker 3: and the pitchers a bit flattering and wickt a to 141 00:08:06,707 --> 00:08:08,587 Speaker 3: come by. He did that role for us through a 142 00:08:08,587 --> 00:08:13,227 Speaker 3: period of time. They're extremely well so, three very skillful 143 00:08:13,307 --> 00:08:17,187 Speaker 3: bowlers that all had their differences, and yeah, I mean 144 00:08:17,307 --> 00:08:19,867 Speaker 3: certainly a lot of fun behind the stumps to be 145 00:08:19,907 --> 00:08:23,147 Speaker 3: able to keep to those guys for Yeah, for as 146 00:08:23,187 --> 00:08:24,747 Speaker 3: long as I did in need. 147 00:08:24,987 --> 00:08:27,027 Speaker 2: Did you bet much with Tim South It wouldn't have 148 00:08:27,067 --> 00:08:29,107 Speaker 2: been a long partnership. I can imagine with the way 149 00:08:29,147 --> 00:08:29,987 Speaker 2: he goes about things. 150 00:08:30,787 --> 00:08:34,067 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few partnerships that I remember. There was 151 00:08:34,107 --> 00:08:38,467 Speaker 3: one against Schlanker at Hagley. I think we're in as 152 00:08:38,507 --> 00:08:41,387 Speaker 3: a tricky situation and he actually managed to get a 153 00:08:42,907 --> 00:08:48,387 Speaker 3: reasonably patient sixty odds for Tommy. I still would have 154 00:08:48,427 --> 00:08:51,667 Speaker 3: been striking at eighty or seventy or something quite high. 155 00:08:51,787 --> 00:08:55,187 Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, no, it was always good fun batting 156 00:08:55,227 --> 00:08:57,587 Speaker 3: with all those guys. Actually, I think Trent's a better 157 00:08:57,667 --> 00:09:01,547 Speaker 3: better than then people think sometimes he's a great ball striker, 158 00:09:02,387 --> 00:09:05,107 Speaker 3: and then just recently we've got Wags playing for n 159 00:09:05,187 --> 00:09:07,747 Speaker 3: D and then he scored a few for us the 160 00:09:07,827 --> 00:09:09,867 Speaker 3: other day. So all guysaac a bat and then all 161 00:09:09,907 --> 00:09:12,747 Speaker 3: guys that were funded that with. I guess the challenge 162 00:09:12,787 --> 00:09:15,987 Speaker 3: for us is trying to get as many runs or 163 00:09:16,107 --> 00:09:19,667 Speaker 3: doing what was needed for the team at the time 164 00:09:19,707 --> 00:09:21,787 Speaker 3: when we're out there. And Tim was always good fun 165 00:09:21,867 --> 00:09:25,267 Speaker 3: to watch batting ninety five sixes as not too bad 166 00:09:25,307 --> 00:09:25,987 Speaker 3: an effort. 167 00:09:25,907 --> 00:09:28,507 Speaker 2: Absolutely and just to funish. What about off the field, 168 00:09:28,507 --> 00:09:30,987 Speaker 2: b JA. What was Tom Soudi like inside the black 169 00:09:31,067 --> 00:09:32,347 Speaker 2: Caps team environment? 170 00:09:34,187 --> 00:09:36,747 Speaker 3: Oh? Great, great blugs to be around. He was always 171 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:41,467 Speaker 3: good fun. He's I'm sure many of you have heard 172 00:09:41,507 --> 00:09:44,027 Speaker 3: it before, but a little bit of a pest at 173 00:09:44,107 --> 00:09:46,587 Speaker 3: times in the change, A good pest. You need those 174 00:09:46,667 --> 00:09:51,867 Speaker 3: personalities around. But someone that always had the team at 175 00:09:51,907 --> 00:09:56,707 Speaker 3: the front of their mind. And like I said, I 176 00:09:56,787 --> 00:10:00,947 Speaker 3: mean that his work ethic. He sees someone that dragged 177 00:10:00,987 --> 00:10:03,267 Speaker 3: you along as well. I know me and Tim. He's 178 00:10:03,307 --> 00:10:06,147 Speaker 3: from Hamilton down the road there and we used to 179 00:10:06,187 --> 00:10:10,027 Speaker 3: go Prior Stadium and then to do Chris's running sessions 180 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:14,707 Speaker 3: that were not that much fun, but someone that's certainly 181 00:10:14,747 --> 00:10:17,667 Speaker 3: put on the hard yards and I think one hundred 182 00:10:17,747 --> 00:10:20,747 Speaker 3: test mentions as a fast bowl that certainly reflected how 183 00:10:20,787 --> 00:10:22,307 Speaker 3: he's looked after himself over the years. 184 00:10:22,587 --> 00:10:25,987 Speaker 2: Absolutely, BJ, thanks so much for reminiscing with us. Really 185 00:10:26,027 --> 00:10:26,787 Speaker 2: appreciate your time. 186 00:10:27,507 --> 00:10:29,627 Speaker 3: No, no Oris, no Oris, thank you, no, thank you. 187 00:10:29,747 --> 00:10:34,387 Speaker 2: BJJ. Wattling there former Test wicket keeper caught wattling Bowld 188 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:38,627 Speaker 2: Saudi seventy five times. That's the most common dismissal in 189 00:10:38,907 --> 00:10:40,147 Speaker 2: our Test cricket history. 190 00:10:40,707 --> 00:10:43,907 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 191 00:10:44,027 --> 00:10:47,387 Speaker 1: to News Talks b weekends from midday, or follow the 192 00:10:47,467 --> 00:10:48,907 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio