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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand, Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Coming up on the show today, Winstone is closing

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Speaker 2: those two mills in through a pair who. We're going

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Speaker 2: to speak to the mayor Western Cursion about that. Half

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Speaker 2: the five the Law Society is going to explain why

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Speaker 2: they think the government's gang patch ban in the home

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Speaker 2: is overreach. And Stuart Nash of Robert Walters on what

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Speaker 2: chrono working is.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy Ellen, Ah, tell you what.

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Speaker 2: Having watched Princess Catherine's video it's just been released, I'd

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Speaker 2: imagine the most common response to it from anybody who's

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Speaker 2: watched it will just be incredible sadness. That video is

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Speaker 2: so sad man, how can it not be a It's

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Speaker 2: a video of a mum. I mean, forget about her position.

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Speaker 2: It's basically just a video of a mum and her kids,

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Speaker 2: but a mum who's got cancer. And there are a

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Speaker 2: few things more sobering in life than the thought of

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Speaker 2: the wei Ones losing their mum and a mum saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, you got to remember not to take for

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Speaker 2: granted the things that we take for granted too often,

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Speaker 2: which is just being loved and loving. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what I've also taken away from it, apart from the sadness.

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Speaker 2: And do you remember back at the start of the

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Speaker 2: year when when Kate had had the surgery and she

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Speaker 2: hadn't been seen in ages and people started concocting weird

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Speaker 2: she had cancer. And never mind the nutters who came

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Speaker 2: like bizarre theories like that. If you were, though, one

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Speaker 2: of the people who suspected that something was up and

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Speaker 2: that she was actually more sick than the Palace wanted

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Speaker 2: to let on, this video just told you you were right.

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Speaker 2: Because if there's one thing that you understand from watching

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Speaker 2: Her path to healing and full recovery is long and

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Speaker 2: she has to take each day as it comes, which

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Speaker 2: is to say she's had a pretty major surgery. She's

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Speaker 2: now been through seven months of chemotherapy and she is

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Speaker 2: pretty sick. And it says a lot that they've chosen

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Speaker 2: there are a couple of wardrobe changes and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of work has gone into something which could

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Speaker 2: long road ahead of her. Now, what that says to

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Speaker 2: need reminding of this. They want to remind us that Yep,

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Speaker 2: she may be a princess, but she is still a

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Speaker 3: Heither do for Cee Ellen welcome.

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Speaker 2: To get involved. Standard text fees applying the numbers nine

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Speaker 2: course talk to our UK correspondent this evening. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be in de Brady. He'll be with us just

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Speaker 2: before seven o'clock. Now over in Australia, kids will soon

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Speaker 2: be banned from social media apps like TikTok and Snapchat

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Speaker 2: and our Prime Minister says he's thinking about doing a

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Speaker 2: similar thing here now Lisa Given as a professor at

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Speaker 2: hey Lisa, Hello. They haven't specified what age they're going

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Speaker 6: They've sort of set arranged fourteen to sixteen. Most other

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Speaker 2: And how do you think it's gonna Where will the

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Speaker 6: It could be either one. We actually don't know that

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Speaker 2: Is that the smartest way of doing it?

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Speaker 6: Well, this is challenging. I mean, that's certainly a way

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Speaker 6: are there workarounds on that. There's certainly ways that children

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, Lisa. If there's one thing

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Speaker 2: technology than their parents. Right, So that will get around us.

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Speaker 6: They know what they're doing, and I think that's really

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Speaker 6: the critical thing is is a ban even possible? The

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Speaker 6: Actually we have definitive evidence around the harms to children

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Speaker 2: So let's say you find out who is whoever the

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Speaker 6: Effectively, it's going to be the social media companies. So

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Speaker 6: what the government is talking about is legislation that would

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Speaker 6: enable could be fines, different kinds of sanctions, could even

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Speaker 2: Is it going to work? What do you reckon, Lisa,

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Speaker 2: If if you had to give us your professional opinion, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And my professional view is that this isn't going to work.

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Speaker 6: I think it's too simple a potential solution for the

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Speaker 6: complexity of the problem. This is really a social problem.

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Speaker 6: It's really about how do we keep our children safe

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Speaker 6: too many holes. There's almost no way to ensure that

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Speaker 2: Does the responsibility really lie with parents to equip kids

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think it is about parents. It's also about teachers,

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Speaker 6: other people in the community that can help kids and

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Speaker 6: their families to navigate social media. I'd love to see

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Speaker 2: What would you teach if it was a parent listening

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Speaker 2: would you say to the parents is the most important

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Speaker 6: The most important thing is actually teaching them openness and

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Speaker 6: willingness to engage in dialogue about what they're seeing. So

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Speaker 6: I'd be wanting to sit with that child, help them

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Speaker 6: to set up an account, put some reasonable boundaries, perhaps

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Speaker 6: and then have conversations about the content they're seeing online.

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Speaker 2: So, for example, if you've got a week go and

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Speaker 2: this is a problem, particularly for girls, but it doesn't

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Speaker 2: fake boys. Well, but if you've got a girl on

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Speaker 2: to feel a bit bummed out about it, the best

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Speaker 2: it, as your parents can tell you that's not really what

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Speaker 2: life is like. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know, the problem itself does not go away

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Speaker 6: with this kind of ban. This is a social problem

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Speaker 6: we have around body image and the things that young

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Speaker 2: Lisa, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: your expertise on that. Lisa Given, professor at the Royal

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Speaker 2: Melbourne Institute of Technology. I mean that Lisa's bang on,

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Speaker 2: isn't she You can ban the kids if you want to,

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Speaker 2: but you're not. Actually you actually got to just equip them.

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Speaker 2: It's like, because whether the fourteen or sixteen or eighteen,

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Speaker 2: stuff on the internet. It's a bit like trying to

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Speaker 2: ban toddlers from walking on the footpath. The smartest thing

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Speaker 2: so they can actually manage the roads. You can't ban

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Speaker 2: them from roads forever. Anyway. We'll talk to the huddle

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Speaker 2: about it later on. The Trump Harris debate tomorrow is

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Speaker 2: one o'clock our time, if you want to stick that

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Speaker 2: in your diary. Their first debate. She's going hard on

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Speaker 2: the prep back girly swat hold up in a hotel

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Speaker 2: focusing apparently on honing her answers into crisp two minute answers,

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Speaker 2: which is what the debate's rules are. Hey, don't care.

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Speaker 2: He's just doing his usual things, campaigning like normal. He's

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Speaker 2: holding rallies and events. He's threatening to put people in jail,

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Speaker 2: just the usual stuff. We're going to talk later on,

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Speaker 2: just after half past five to Dominic Carter, who's a

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Speaker 2: former US debate moderator. He'll give us his thoughts on

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Speaker 2: who's likely to win here. And I think that the

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Speaker 2: Dominic's take on it. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 7: Dars sleeping in your car this weekend?

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 2: It's not this weekend? It's coming Armiston?

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Speaker 7: All right, yeah, yeah, I heard you yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I'm having a weddings listened.

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Speaker 8: To the radio all day and all night Darcy.

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Speaker 2: Seven hundred dollars for a hotel room in Palmerston North

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Speaker 2: for one night, mate? Would you pay that?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 7: No, I think I might still have relatives and Parmeston North,

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Speaker 7: I'm going.

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Speaker 2: To pay seven hundred dollars for a hotel room week

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Speaker 2: with like a jacuzzi and a free bottle of bubble

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Speaker 2: and a butler and a butler and a foot massage.

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Speaker 2: So anyway youkaha, Palmerston North, I'm probably going to sleep

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Speaker 2: in the car. Hey, So the cricket hasn't started yet

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Speaker 2: Twenty six past four. This is not unexpected. This is

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Speaker 10: And you talk, as they'd be, whether your random hairs

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Speaker 2: sam Emory is going to be that's out of Australia

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Speaker 2: shortly and Barry soper A covering politics as well. I

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Speaker 2: that good afternoon. Sam. Listen, you've got to fill us

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Speaker 14: Look, some sad news just breaking through this afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 14: of two boys at age nine and eleven. The forty

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Speaker 14: two year old woman's been taken to Westmead Hospital.

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Speaker 4: Under police guard.

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Speaker 14: But police, this is the interesting part. Police are sort

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Speaker 14: of saying that they're not looking for anyone else in

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Speaker 14: connection with the situation. So a bit dubious there and

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Speaker 14: certainly a sad news coming out of the Blue Mountains

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Speaker 14: just west of Sydney.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, it's tough to hear that. What do you make

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Speaker 2: of there? Some age limit for the social media companies?

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Speaker 2: What are you hearing round about? Fourteen?

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Speaker 14: South Australia is definitely pushing for fourteen years old to

450
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Speaker 14: ban children registering on social media platforms. The pms come

451
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Speaker 14: out saying he thinks maybe sixteen or younger off the

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Speaker 14: social media platforms. They're going to try and get this

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Speaker 14: legislation through this afternoon. The South Australian premiere this afternoon

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Speaker 14: this year. I mean, the Premier agrees that national regulations

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Speaker 14: on child access to social media would certainly assist parents.

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Speaker 14: Some people have sort of come out saying, why should

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Speaker 14: we ban them from it? We should be given them

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Speaker 14: tools to actually use them properly. But it's whether or

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Speaker 14: not these kids actually really want to be on it

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Speaker 14: just because all their friends are on it, or because

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Speaker 14: they actually want to connect with a lot of people.

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Speaker 14: I know that I was speaking before I came on

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Speaker 14: with your producers off air, Heather. I've got two kids,

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Speaker 14: thirteen and eleven. My son, you know, he's on Snapchat.

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Speaker 14: He uses it quite a bit. My daughter's got no

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Speaker 14: interest in it whatsoever. We're actually talking about it the

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Speaker 14: other day and she says, why would I need something

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Speaker 14: like that when I can quite easily. You know, they're

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Speaker 14: on messages, they're on I Message, they're on YouTube, they're

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Speaker 14: constantly talking with each other, but they're not actually on

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Speaker 14: these apps, you know, looking at photos and looking at

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Speaker 14: all these other things, or being exposed to these sort

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Speaker 14: of advertisements. So I thought it was very interesting to

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Speaker 14: hear that from my eleven year old saying that she

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Speaker 14: didn't need any more connection. And it may change by

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Speaker 14: the time she gets to high school. You know, teenagers

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Speaker 14: will certainly want to be more connected, but I think

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Speaker 14: the general consensus here in Australia is that what's the

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Speaker 14: point of being on these things? You know, at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,

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Speaker 14: you know, what benefit is it actually bringing to the

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Speaker 14: youth of Australia. So I don't think they'll have too

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Speaker 14: much problem getting this across the line with legislation. It's

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Speaker 14: certainly something that people want more powers around and more

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Speaker 14: protection for kids, but adults as well. You know, it's

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Speaker 14: certainly not discriminating against who finds it hard and who

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Speaker 14: is being attacked online.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very good point. Listen, tell me what

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Speaker 2: you'll take on this. Is that video of David Spears

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Speaker 2: snorting the white powder real or is it not?

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Speaker 4: Well, he's calling it deep fake.

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Speaker 14: He's been out on News Limited, he's calling it on

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Speaker 14: a few other news sites as well as an artificially

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Speaker 14: generated video. It's pretty hard to say. Why would anyone

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Speaker 14: go to the trouble of making a deep fake video

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Speaker 14: of a person who's no longer in parliament with the

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Speaker 14: former opposition leader. And yeah, look, I think he's trying

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Speaker 14: to sort of pull a bit of a furfey over

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Speaker 14: this one, and I think he will quickly find that

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Speaker 14: technology and experts will be able to tell him whether

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Speaker 14: or not it's a deep fake. So I don't think

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Speaker 14: we'll be sitting around waiting for too long on this one, haven't.

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Speaker 2: We, Sam, do deep fake video makers go to the

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Speaker 2: effort of leaving details like an open laptop in the

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Speaker 2: background and a red bottle of wine and a lighter.

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Speaker 2: You know, it feels very it feels very real, doesn't it.

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Speaker 9: It does.

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Speaker 14: I mean, I'm sure these deep fake editors can get

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Speaker 14: creative in their own world. Who knows what they can create,

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Speaker 14: but it's certainly you know why. I just think the person,

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Speaker 14: the profile, the reason behind it. I just don't see

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Speaker 14: why anyone would go to any of that sort of

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Speaker 14: effort to try and make something like that. What's the point,

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Speaker 14: what's the benefit for them? And who's actually helping or

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Speaker 14: not helping to right?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Sam, thank you very much, really appreciated that. Sam Memory,

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Speaker 2: Australia correspondent. I don't know if you heard the Richard

517
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Speaker 2: quest interview with Mike Hosking the Mike interview with Richard

518
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Speaker 2: Quest rather this morning. It was absolutely fascinating, like it

519
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Speaker 2: was must listen to just because that guy is a

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Speaker 2: legend and the questions were fantastic. But one of the

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Speaker 2: things that Richard said during the interview was one of

522
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Speaker 2: the toughest things that we're going to have to face

523
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Speaker 2: in the future is teaching our kids how to be

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Speaker 2: able to tell whether what they're seeing is real or

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Speaker 2: what they're hearing is real, because you and I have

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Speaker 2: relied on like if somebody, you know, if somebody says, oh,

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Speaker 2: David Spear is the for where Liberal Party lad, blah

528
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Speaker 2: blah blah. I was snorting some cocaine off a plate.

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Speaker 2: We go, I don't believe it until I see it

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Speaker 2: and they show you the video and you go, oh, geez,

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Speaker 2: that is him. But now the kids are going to go, oh,

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Speaker 2: but is that him or is that a video that's

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Speaker 2: but you know what I mean, Like that is going

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Speaker 2: to be It's going to fundamentally shift what we rely

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Speaker 2: on as evidence. So in such a such a massive

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Speaker 2: way in the future. It's absolutely fascinating. He had on

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Speaker 2: something that I think is a real problem for our times. Barry,

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Speaker 2: So next quarter.

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Speaker 1: Too, politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty, very so, senior political correspondence with a santee Barry.

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Speaker 8: Good afternoon head.

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Speaker 2: So all of Parliament was just about messages about the

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Speaker 2: late King.

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Speaker 8: Yes, a very short day at Parliament's day for the MPs.

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Speaker 8: Back at work after yet another recess, and the whole

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Speaker 8: sitting permission of the government was devoted to paying a

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Speaker 8: tribute to King tuh Tia before it adjourned for the

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Speaker 8: days they've all gone Homer up to Balami's for a

549
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Speaker 8: drink to toast the king, no doubt, but look it

550
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Speaker 8: was kicked off by the Prime Minister Chris Luxon, who

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Speaker 8: you remember was moved to tears at Terrangawaiwai after the

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Speaker 8: king's death. As expected, he was a little more collected today.

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Speaker 15: Though k to Hatia was a servant to his people,

554
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Speaker 15: he guided them with wisdom, strength, and an unwavering commitment

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Speaker 15: to Kotahitanga. Ky to Haitia carried himself with deep personal humility.

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Speaker 15: A son of Huntley and a former truck driver, he

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Speaker 15: had the ability to kid with people from any and

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Speaker 15: all walks of life. He was not just a leader,

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Speaker 15: but a friend and mentor to many, and in particular

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Speaker 15: a strong advocate for young people. His words often carried

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Speaker 15: the weight of profound wisdom, and his presence was a

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Speaker 15: source of great comfort and strength. As I count myself

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Speaker 15: so fortunate to have experienced.

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Speaker 8: Luxan obviously is quite impressed. The few times that he

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Speaker 8: did may meet King two a Tia. You remember, though,

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Speaker 8: from King Charles's coronation last year, there was a gathering

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Speaker 8: at New Zealand House in London where our High Commissioner

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Speaker 8: Phil Goff had an opsy moment.

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Speaker 3: Have a listen, hands up anyone here that has been

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Speaker 3: to a coronation before, or was even alive.

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Speaker 12: When there was a coronation.

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Speaker 15: I've actually just expressed significant disappointment at what has taken

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Speaker 15: place here.

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Speaker 3: We have our own coronation. It is somewhat offensive to suggest.

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Speaker 15: That we're done by only recognizing pakiha coronations.

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Speaker 8: Now, that was the King's chief of start. The King

577
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Speaker 8: was in the audience them. You remember, it was a

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Speaker 8: big news event at the time and to Haiti was

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Speaker 8: having a laugh in the background. I was watching him

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Speaker 8: when that happened, and he found it quite funny. And

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Speaker 8: I've got to say that Labor's Chris Hopkins, he was

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Speaker 8: in the crowd at New Zealand House at the time

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Speaker 8: and he remembered that in Parliament today.

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Speaker 16: Particular proceeding at New Zealand House had not gone according

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Speaker 16: to plan. Umbridge was taken quite rightly. And shortly after

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Speaker 16: that event, I sat down with kingy to Haitia to

587
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Speaker 16: settle things down again and to have a conversation. Many

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Speaker 16: from across the country have come forward over the past

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Speaker 16: week to speak about Kurtahitanga and about the work that

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Speaker 16: kingy to Haitia did to bring us together as a country.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that wasn't the only mistake that was made.

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Speaker 8: Have a listen to how the Speaker introduced the Act

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Speaker 8: Leader in Parliament today.

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Speaker 4: The Honorable Davison Clinic, the Honorble Davison.

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Speaker 17: Thank you, mister Speaker, to Fatty far to poor Tifutty

596
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Speaker 17: Far too, Krnui Krnuimamo, Gloom and sorrow prevail day and night.

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Speaker 4: We send our love and we share in the pain.

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Speaker 2: Do we know what David simply?

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Speaker 3: Do we?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 18: Seymour stood, So maybe he goes by another name simple

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Speaker 18: in these days because he's none too popular with his

603
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Speaker 18: Treaty Principles Bill, So perhaps he's going incognito.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Parliament, Hey, what do you make of the coppers

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Speaker 2: being able to go get the patches off the gang

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Speaker 2: members at home?

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Speaker 8: Look, I'm not a great libertarian when it comes to

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Speaker 8: this sort of thing. I think gangs should be outlawed.

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Speaker 8: They should any action that prevent them from going out

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Speaker 8: in the public and intimidating people should certainly be taken

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Speaker 8: and that's what this government is said about doing. But honestly,

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Speaker 8: it was after the Select Committee had sat and took

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Speaker 8: all the submissions in that a clause was added to

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Speaker 8: it saying that if they're recidivis defenders, if they are

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Speaker 8: offend I think it was four times wearing their gang insignia,

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Speaker 8: then the cops would have the right to go into

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Speaker 8: their home to ensure that there's no gang insignia there

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Speaker 8: and they're not allowed to wear it in the privacy

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Speaker 8: of their own homes. Now, you know, I can understand

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Speaker 8: the law society being a bit dodgy about this one,

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Speaker 8: because it really is probably overstepping the mark. I don't

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Speaker 8: like gangs any better than anybody else, but surely your

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Speaker 8: home is what you do in your home is private

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Speaker 8: and the cop shouldn't be able to kick in the door.

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Speaker 8: Have you got a gang?

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Speaker 19: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what if I tell you this It only

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Speaker 2: applies to people gang members who have been recidivous defenders

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Speaker 2: repeatedly wearing their patches out of public and having them removed. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and this is the cops going in and take excuse me,

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Speaker 2: taking the patches off them.

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Speaker 8: Well taking well, no out of the court out wearing

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Speaker 8: their patches outside. They'll be taken off.

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Speaker 9: But they.

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Speaker 2: The cops gentleman to the house basically, you know, warrant whatever,

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Speaker 2: like take the patches and what's the problem with that season? Well,

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Speaker 2: seasons stuff they shouldn't have.

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Speaker 8: And they're not allowed to wear them in their homes either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just seems is it not more about

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Speaker 2: that though? Is it not more about you know, this

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Speaker 2: chap is going to wear it tomorrow at the tonguey,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to go take.

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Speaker 9: It off him.

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Speaker 8: Well, surely he'll soon get sick of being fined and

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Speaker 8: you know, having another conviction against gang member.

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Speaker 2: They do hate being fine by the Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: I know you're onto a very police commissioner for your

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Speaker 2: next job. Thank you very much, really appreciate it. It's

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Speaker 2: very so per Senior Political correspondence seven away from five

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Speaker 2: putting the.

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Speaker 1: Time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 20: Priming us to time, do you regret at any point

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Speaker 20: allowing Seymour to be part of the coalition in terms

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Speaker 20: of this Treaty Principles Bill, which for you anyway, it

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Speaker 20: seems almost now embarrassing.

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Speaker 21: I still have a different view on it, which is, look,

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Speaker 21: mane Zella is rightly or wrong? They chose MMP. I've

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Speaker 21: done it several times. That's the electoral system we've dealt with. Right,

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Speaker 21: That's the same as Western Europe. Now, whether I'm in

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Speaker 21: Germany or whether I'm in Nevolans's the same deal. They

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Speaker 21: put four or five six party coalitions together in Southeast Asia.

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Speaker 21: In a Western Europe, we've put a three party coalition together.

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Speaker 21: We're united on the core. That's the economic staff, the

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Speaker 21: law and aunt staff, the public services things. Yes, we

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Speaker 21: have differences on an issue like this and we find

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Speaker 21: a compromise.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're.

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Speaker 20: Expected to do it back tomorrow at six am the

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Speaker 20: Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Jaguar f paces used talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you were listening to Sam Emery

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Speaker 2: about ten minutes ago, you might have heard him refer

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Speaker 2: to something as a fur fee and you may have

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Speaker 2: wondered what the hell that is. Furfee is an Australian

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Speaker 2: slang for an erroneous or improbable story that is claimed

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Speaker 2: to be factual. So basically a lie is a furfee,

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Speaker 2: but like like a you know, like it's a euphemism

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Speaker 2: for a lie. It's not a full noise lie. It's

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Speaker 2: just like a little lae, isn't it. Furfey's a supposedly

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Speaker 2: heard from reputable sources, sometimes second hand or third hand,

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Speaker 2: and widely believed until discounted.

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Speaker 9: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Now you know something else about Australians and what comes

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Speaker 2: out of their mouths. Here that I'm a police officer,

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Speaker 2: enjoy your segment. In relation to taking the gang patches,

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Speaker 2: it will make things worse if a gang member is depatched.

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Speaker 2: Retaliation usually follows close by and is likely to result

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Speaker 2: in shootings and all serious assaults towards police. They will

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Speaker 2: fight their hardest to keep that patch, so good luck

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Speaker 2: to whoever tries to enforce it, which is a fair point.

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Speaker 2: We're actually gonna talk to Chris Macklin from the Law

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Speaker 2: Society's plane has been delayed, so we're gonna have a

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Speaker 2: chat to them after half plast five, just to give

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Speaker 2: him a bit of breathing space there. Feel like he

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Speaker 2: might have been trying to crunch too many things into

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Speaker 2: too tight a timeframe. You know, like trying to make

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Speaker 2: those six minutes count a every single six minutes. Western

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Speaker 2: Curtain over a pair who is with us next though,

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Speaker 2: here's another thing coming at you. Chrono working. Sometimes I

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Speaker 2: think we try to overcomplicate this world, and this is

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Speaker 2: one of these examples. Apparently, chrono working is where you

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Speaker 2: basically work to your body clock, your circadian rhythms. So

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Speaker 2: never mind the nine to five. If you're somebody who

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Speaker 2: likes to sleep in literally everyone, then you can just

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Speaker 2: get up up later, come to work later, because you know,

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Speaker 2: that's just the Kadian rhythm. So anyway, Walter, Robert Walters

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Speaker 2: is all into this, and Stuart Nash is going to

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Speaker 2: talk to us about it in round about twenty minutes

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Speaker 2: Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Pressing the newspakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected you folks'd be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon. After weeks of uncertainty, Winston Pulp International

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Speaker 2: has decided to permanently close its two mills and the

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Speaker 2: do a Pair who. This will mean the loss of

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Speaker 2: about two hundred and thirty jobs in the central North Island.

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Speaker 2: Western Curtain is the to a pair who district mayor.

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Speaker 22: Hey Western, Yes, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: So nothing they were offered was enough.

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Speaker 22: We didn't get into the details, Heather, but you can

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Speaker 22: only assume that even with the good intentions, nothing actually

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Speaker 22: came of it, which is very disappointing and it's a

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Speaker 22: disaster for our community to hear that they couldn't see

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Speaker 22: their way to actually get things over the line. So

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Speaker 22: really disappointing, and I guess we've got to pick up

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Speaker 22: the pieces as a community.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what they were offered?

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Speaker 22: No, it can only speculate that it was on the

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Speaker 22: Summer Alliance a t why point, but I can't confirm that.

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Speaker 22: So obviously there was some deal or some sort of

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Speaker 22: negotiations going on, but the detail of that was never

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Speaker 22: public or we went directly involved in that, and we

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Speaker 22: only went on what the chief executive was telling us,

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Speaker 22: and that they were in deep conversation with the central

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Speaker 22: government and energy companies and obviously they couldn't strike an

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Speaker 22: acceptable deal on behalf of Winston.

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Speaker 2: Polp Wilson, you must be getting pretty demoralized about what

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Speaker 2: the future of your district looks like.

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Speaker 22: This is a big hit, Heather. We've had ups and

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Speaker 22: downs as you know, but this is a big hit.

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Speaker 22: I'm really taking it personally. You try your hardest to

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Speaker 22: get things over line where you think there is when

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Speaker 22: I but I just can't get it. I can't get

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Speaker 22: how as New Zealanders, we're on one hand receiving huge

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Speaker 22: dividends from pricing these these companies seem to be milking

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Speaker 22: the system and then when it gets to you know,

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Speaker 22: paying it back to the communities or if not, these

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Speaker 22: businesses that they're working hard on our behalf. It just

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Speaker 22: doesn't add up. And I just can't get my head around.

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Speaker 22: It all took me out of overseas business.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 22: We had the Prime Minister going overseas saying that we're

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Speaker 22: open for business, we want to double our you know

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Speaker 22: throughput as it were, and we've got all ingredients and tools.

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Speaker 3: To do that.

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Speaker 22: And then he's over in Malaysia doing that and in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand, owned by Malaysians, they're winding down because they

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Speaker 22: just can't compete.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting texts from people saying that they're there talking

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Speaker 2: that are a pair who district is that BEHP in

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Speaker 2: Australia have good paying jobs on offer and people are

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Speaker 2: already heading over Is that right?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, well that's the speculation that when we had a

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Speaker 22: public meeting recently that was discussed and there were people

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Speaker 22: already gone, that packed up and gone overseas because there's

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Speaker 22: a huge skill set there and people have got to

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Speaker 22: get on with their lives.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 22: We had one lady saying, I'm going to feed my

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Speaker 22: babies and this is not working. So yes, it's understandable

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Speaker 22: that people are moving on. They are talking with us

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Speaker 22: overseas interests.

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Speaker 2: I understand, West and best of luck, thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time. That's Western curtain the to a pair who district.

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Speaker 3: Mayor ever do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 2: So tomorrow, at one o'clock our time, as in one

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Speaker 2: pm our time, Donald Trump and Karmala Harris will square

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Speaker 2: off for the first time in a presidential debate. A

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Speaker 2: lot rides on this. These two are neck and neck

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Speaker 2: in the most recent poll. Dominic Carter is a US

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Speaker 2: political commentator and a former Senate debate moderator. Dominic Halo,

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Speaker 2: I have a good evening to you, Yeah, Dominic, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm king to can you take on this? It feels

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Speaker 2: to me like Carmela's got to win more than Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump has got to win because we know less, we

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Speaker 2: know her less. Well, what do you think You.

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Speaker 23: Hit it right on the head, Heather, and your assessment

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Speaker 23: is one thou accurate, believe it or not, Heather. This

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Speaker 23: is the first time that Trump and Harris will come

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Speaker 23: face to face in terms of the first time they're

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Speaker 23: going to.

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Speaker 5: Meet each other, and she has a lot more at stake.

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Speaker 9: Based on.

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Speaker 23: A couple polling that indicates that it's still neck and neck,

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Speaker 23: but Trump is slightly ahead. And so what I'm expecting

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Speaker 23: to see is Trump He's done this many times, Heather,

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Speaker 23: presidential debates. It's the first time for Kamala Harris, the

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Speaker 23: vice president at the top of the ticket. And my

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Speaker 23: immediate assessment, Heather, is Trump is going to know when

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Speaker 23: to strike and when to potentially let his opponent inflict

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Speaker 23: damage on herself. And so we're gonna see it's the

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Speaker 23: ninety minute debate, a lot at stake, the presidency on

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Speaker 23: the line, and we're going to see what the candidates

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Speaker 23: have to offer.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that he will be that

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Speaker 2: considered because he is what strikes me as somebody who

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Speaker 2: just turns up and lets rip. What do you think, Well,

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Speaker 2: he does.

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Speaker 23: He's known as an unconventional American politician, some would say

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Speaker 23: in some circles, not disciplined. But the same things that

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Speaker 23: could be perceived Heather is a negative is what makes

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Speaker 23: it a positive in this case for Trump. And so

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Speaker 23: he's going to try, obviously not to.

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Speaker 9: Lose his school.

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Speaker 23: He cannot lose his school under any circumstance.

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Speaker 22: He can't be seen.

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Speaker 23: That is, mister Trump is coming on too strong against

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Speaker 23: a woman candidate, but he's going to basically let Kamala

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Speaker 23: Harris state her policies because he believes that there's not

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Speaker 23: much substance there and that she's flip flopped on different

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Speaker 23: issues all over the place.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I note actually that just recently she's posted what like

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Speaker 2: almost fifty different policy positions on the website to kind

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Speaker 2: of get aheit of that.

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Speaker 9: I yes, exactly, Heather.

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Speaker 23: I see you're paying close attention to the election, and

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Speaker 23: that's a wonderful thing. So the big issue, let me

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Speaker 23: just give you one example. So she will probably try

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Speaker 23: to hit Trump hard on abortion. She feels that he's

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Speaker 23: vulnerable on the issue of abortion, but Trump's gonna try

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Speaker 23: and hit her on fracking. So she was adamantly against

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Speaker 23: fracking as a US senator, but then her position changed

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Speaker 23: because she needs Pennsylvania, the state of Pennsylvania, to win

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Speaker 23: the election, and fracking is hugely popular in Pennsylvania. So

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Speaker 23: Trump's gonna hit hard and we're gonna see who's ready

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Speaker 23: for prime time and just a matter of hours.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to Dominica.

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Speaker 3: Yu.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 23: I think that the presidency is on the line. I

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Speaker 23: give the strong advantage Heather to Trump. And the reason

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Speaker 23: why is can Vice President Kamala Harris stay the course

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Speaker 23: for ninety minutes? What she's been critified, criticized for a

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Speaker 23: lot here in America is that she's been on a

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Speaker 23: teleprompter at.

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Speaker 9: All of her events.

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Speaker 23: And so we're going to see if she can stay

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Speaker 23: on the stage with Trump and stay the policy, and

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Speaker 23: we're going to see which candidate is going to win.

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Speaker 5: A lot is on the line.

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Speaker 2: Dominic, it is good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. It's Dominic Carter, us political commentator and former

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Speaker 2: debate moderator. Then neck and neck, Heather, give me strength, Karmala, omg,

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Speaker 2: is she even a real person? Do we think she's

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Speaker 2: a deep fake?

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Speaker 3: Now? Heather due for Celan and I don't get.

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Speaker 2: Excited about tech very often, but I need to talk

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Speaker 2: to you. There's some stuff that the Apple guys have

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Speaker 2: just unveiled today is actually quite cool. So I'm going

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Speaker 2: to try and get it to you before the end

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Speaker 2: of this hour. Very interesting little development in climate change news.

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Speaker 2: Three Pacific island countries Vanawatu, Fiji and Samoa have just

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Speaker 2: gone to the International Criminal Court climate change. So what

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Speaker 2: they've done is they've gone to the court. They did

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Speaker 2: this yesterday, submitted to the court yesterday. They've asked the

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Speaker 2: International Criminal Court to recognize ecoside as a punishable criminal offense.

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Speaker 2: And basically they want to see the Criminal Court put

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Speaker 2: ecoside on the same level of crimes as genocide and

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Speaker 2: war crimes. Now, if the I reckon, they're going to

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Speaker 2: struggle with us. But jeez, climate change law does wacky

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Speaker 2: things lately, so who knows. But if they go ahead

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Speaker 2: with it, this is the ICC. If they go ahead

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Speaker 2: with it, it could allow for the prosecution of individuals

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Speaker 2: who have brought about environmental destruction, like the heads of

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Speaker 2: large polluting companies or the heads of state. Now, as

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00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: I say to you, I think it's like it feels

877
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: to me like, it's a long shot, but you know,

878
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: you do have weird things happening in criminal law in

879
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: climate change law all of the time. But the long

880
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: shot is because if you're burning something in New Zealand,

881
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: let's just say, it's kind of hard to link that

882
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: to somebody in an island dying because of climate change

883
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, it was my fault, I burnt

884
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: that parlor wood. Whereas obviously if you fire a gun

885
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: and you kill somebody, you can there's a direct link

886
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: there with what you've just done. So anyway, we'll see

887
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: how that goes. But yeah, they turning the heat up

888
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: on countries like ours for what we're doing, like the

889
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: oil and gas stuff. At the moment sixteen past five,

890
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: Heather Kamala Harris is into deep face. She's more of

891
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: a shallow fake or a garden variety of fake. Listen,

892
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: thank you, Stan, Can I just tell you I am

893
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: I am surprised at the level of feedback that we

894
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: are getting on the station about the US selection, which

895
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: tells me that people are really weirdly into this, and

896
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: actually to that point, TV and Z is apparently going

897
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: to be running it tomorrow afternoon live, so you can

898
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: actually watch the blinking thing live. That just goes to

899
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: show how interested we are in this. And actually I

900
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: don't think that's a bad thing, because whatever happens over

901
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: there affects us in the end, doesn't it. It's nineteen

902
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: past five now. As you know here at Heather Doublassy

903
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: Ellen Drive, we love a fad, and I've got a

904
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 2: good fad for you. Never mind the quiet quitting or

905
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 2: the bare minimum mondays or the four day work weeks.

906
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 2: We've got Chrono working now, which is basically we're instead

907
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: of working from nine to five Monday to Friday, you

908
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: set your hours based on your personal cycadian rhythm.

909
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 24: Now.

910
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: Stuart Nash is the commercial director of Robert Walshon with

911
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: Us Walters and with Us now hollow Stuart.

912
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 25: Either hell, are you good to talk to you again?

913
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you. This is a dumb idea,

914
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: isn't it.

915
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 25: Okay, we've been working to our circadian rather than for

916
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 25: thousands of years, so this is just going back to

917
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 25: how we were, you know, before we had before we

918
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 25: had lamps and lights and you know, and nasty bosses.

919
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? We were working in the

920
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: day daytime and sleeping in the night time.

921
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 25: How did you persue we were you know, we'd worked

922
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 25: when we got ninety five when it win tonight. The

923
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 25: thing about this is, you know we all know this.

924
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 25: I mean, yeah, I've got four kids, So I got

925
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 25: a twenty two year old and a nineteen year old.

926
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Speaker 25: The twenty two year old will get up at five am,

927
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Speaker 25: the nineteen year old get up at ten am. And

928
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 25: any of your listeners with teenagers know that this is

929
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 25: how it works. So what we're saying now is, hey,

930
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 25: you know what the best way to get productivity out

931
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 25: of the work is is just let them work when

932
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 25: they're productive. But I will say back to your point,

933
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 25: this is not an excuse to be lazy. This is

934
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Speaker 25: not an excuse to start.

935
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Speaker 2: Works Stewart, I know, and what industry would this work, well, I.

936
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Speaker 25: Mean it's already working in things like it right where

937
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 25: you go. You've got programmers and people who don't need

938
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 25: to necessarily meet clients. We don't need to be in

939
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 25: the office at nine and stay until five. It's really

940
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 25: those who are independent. I mean, I'll be honest with you.

941
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 25: I sort of worked this way. I mean I started

942
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 25: about nine and I finish at ten at night, but

943
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 25: I take two hours off in the middle of the day.

944
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Speaker 25: That's what Yet, No, I just sort of meet interesting

945
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 25: people like you. But I think you go to the gym,

946
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 25: don't you do well occasionally? You've got to keep healthy.

947
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 25: But it's letting people work in a way that is

948
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 25: most productive to them, as opposed to saying if you're

949
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 25: not in the office by eight, then you're in trouble.

950
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 25: You if you don't stay until five, then you're out

951
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 25: of here.

952
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't this basically just modern flexibility in the

953
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: workplace because we work on global economy and we're just

954
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: we want to stick weird labels on it. But it's

955
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: just an the way of describing flexibility, isn't it one

956
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: hundred percent?

957
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 25: I mean, look, the bottom line is when you get

958
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 25: to a certain level, you've got to trust your workers, right,

959
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 25: I mean, you know, not ey one can be your boss.

960
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 25: But there's a lot of the people that add significent

961
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 25: going to an organization and it's basically leasing them work

962
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 25: in a way that optimizes there their outputting their potential.

963
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 25: That's all of us.

964
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you very much, really appreciate it's too

965
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: always interesting to talk to you that Stuart Nash, Robert

966
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: Walter's commercial director coming up. Five twenty two.

967
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

968
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

969
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: get connected and new talk as they'd be.

970
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: Chris macklind of the Law Society is going to be

971
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: a US around abou twelve minutes. It's five twenty four now.

972
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: Patrick Smelley, Welcome home. Patrick. Patrick Smaley is a regular

973
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: contributor to the show and he's just back from his

974
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: long European sabbatical and he reckons we need to cheer up.

975
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: He's written a piece for Business Desks saying the headlines

976
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: that he's seeing here in New Zealand suggest we're as

977
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: miserable today as we were back in the early nineteen

978
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: nineties when Ruth Richardson. We had Ruth Richardson's recession back then.

979
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: And he points out that actually in all of the

980
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: nine countries that he had visited when he was over

981
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: in Europe, they all had the same problems, race relations,

982
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: violent crime, failing infrastructure, crises, countless crises. Their country is

983
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: going backwards. But they were dealing with it without the

984
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: same sense of fatalistic despair that we have over it

985
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 2: in New Zealand. I've thought about this a lot overnight,

986
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: because one hundred percent we are extremely gloomy. And I'd

987
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: be the first to tell us to give ourselves an

988
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: uppercut if I thought we were being unreasonably miserable. But

989
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: actually I think that we are justified in feeling as

990
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: miserable as we do right now, because look, I can't

991
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: speak for other countries and I don't know what their

992
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: experiences are, but we have gone through a massive shift

993
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: in the last few years. We went from being the

994
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: rockstar economy, prosperous and riding the wave of Chinese like

995
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: ever increasing Chinese demand to suddenly not having that. Chinese

996
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: demand has fallen. We've had three recessions in two years now.

997
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: Name me another country that we compare ourselves to that

998
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: has had three recessions in two years. That is a

999
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: tough thing for a country to go through. And Patrick

1000
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: himself admits it's bad. I mean, he says, as he

1001
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 2: points out, we've slipped in a comprehensive view end measure

1002
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: of everything from life expectancy and education to economics like

1003
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: it looks at the whole thing. We have gone down

1004
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: seven places just between last year and this year. That

1005
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: is how fast things are going backwards for us. We've

1006
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: gone from being the safe place that you want to

1007
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: raise your kids in and that you can raise your

1008
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: kids in to what eleven or twelve homicides in the

1009
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: North Island and just over a month, including a body

1010
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: found burnt out in a car somewhere today. I think

1011
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 2: what's made us gloomy is just the size of that shift.

1012
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: I mean, others may be experiencing what we are, but

1013
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if they have had the swing from

1014
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: one extreme to the other quite to the same degree

1015
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: that we have. And I think that's what makes us

1016
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: feel as bad as we do, because it was so

1017
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: good before and now it is so bad and the

1018
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 2: difference is so extreme. So yes, we're gloomy and yep,

1019
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: like Patrick, I'm looking forward to us coming out of this,

1020
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: But I don't think we're being dramatic and how we

1021
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: feel about this, I think it's totally justified. And I

1022
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: actually think it's good to be as gloomy as we

1023
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: are because it means we don't accept it and it

1024
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: means that we are motivated to change it, Heather. We

1025
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: want to talk to thehuddle about it when they're with

1026
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: us shortly. Hither, I'm chrono working now. I wake up

1027
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: at five am anyway, and I hate lying, and so

1028
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 2: I work five to seven, then I walk the dog.

1029
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: Then I hate to work at nine, and then I

1030
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,240
Speaker 2: work until three. I'm just making its productive.

1031
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 19: Isn't it.

1032
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: Jeez?

1033
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: If we had more Huans in this country would absolutely

1034
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: be banging it. Wouldn't the productivity go through the roof?

1035
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: Here that my niece, and it works all night, sleeps

1036
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: during the day. Brett, that's just yep. See everybody's child. Hither,

1037
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: the workplace is becoming more and more collaborative. I don't

1038
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: see how this chrono working thing is ever going to

1039
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: work well, I don't know. I just think it's flexibility,

1040
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: isn't it. And we've just called it a weird scientific name.

1041
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: Headline's next Hard.

1042
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: Questions, Strong Opinion, Heather dupleicy elan drive with one New

1043
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected and used talk as that'd be.

1044
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right about us being gloomy. And to add

1045
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: to it, we can't just escape to another country. We're

1046
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: stuck in our hallhole. Will act to be wrong. Number one,

1047
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: it's not a hallhole, it's just having a difficult time.

1048
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: Number Two, you can escape to Australia. That's why everybody's doing.

1049
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: But I think the point is kind of a fair point.

1050
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: It's not like I think in Europe you can sort

1051
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: of maybe feel a bit better about the situation because

1052
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: you just go across the border and have a party

1053
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: or something like that, Go go have a holiday, whereas

1054
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: we sort of have to stay here in the gloom

1055
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: amongst ourselves because everywhere we go is a blinking expensive

1056
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: trip elsewhere. Anyway, listen on to a pair who and

1057
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: be aware please of the impact that this is going

1058
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 2: to have on that particular district, the two mills closing.

1059
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: It is going to be massive, and in years to come,

1060
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: I suspect we're going to drive through it and be

1061
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: like this was once a bustling little place, kind of

1062
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: like you do with party. Are now talk to Brad Olsen,

1063
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: who will be with us run about quarter past six

1064
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: of infimetrics obviously, and we get his take on it

1065
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: in the huddle standing by at the moment twenty four

1066
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 2: away from six together for see el Now the government's

1067
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: coppying it over a late change they made to the

1068
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: gang patch ban. The change will make it illegal for

1069
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: gang members who repeatedly break the rules around the patch

1070
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 2: ban from even having these patches in their homes. Chris

1071
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: Macklin is the convener of the Law Society's Criminal Law

1072
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: Committee with us.

1073
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 26: Now, Hey, Chris Kelder, how are you?

1074
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: Hen?

1075
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 9: Well?

1076
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: Thank you mate? Primarily, what's your problem? Is it the

1077
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: late change without consultation or is it the change itself.

1078
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 27: Look, what we wanted to alert people to was the

1079
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 27: late change. But the lateness is of particular concern because

1080
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 27: it's substantive, creates a new offense and gives the pass

1081
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 27: some quite and truth of search powers. It's the fitt

1082
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 27: of thing you'd normally expect consultation to be undertaken on.

1083
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's a bit of both. Okay. So on

1084
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: the change itself, I mean, I have concerns like you

1085
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: do about going into people's homes, and you have to

1086
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: have a pretty high threshold for that. But is it

1087
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: not a case of just going to essentially seize the

1088
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Speaker 2: patches when somebody is repeatedly breaking the law?

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Speaker 27: Look, i'd have to accept that that would don't know

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Speaker 27: that being the intense to the draft of But this

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Speaker 27: is precisely why you need the attention that usually comes

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Speaker 27: with consultation, because on its face, it's just a search power.

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Speaker 27: And look, if somebody really is out to defy the

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Speaker 27: patch band and wants to hold onto there and signing

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Speaker 27: here no matter what, then that search is going to

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Speaker 27: have to be more than just look at what's on

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Speaker 27: the wall kind of thing. And no one seems to

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Speaker 27: paid attention to that, So they're reaching into homes as

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Speaker 27: a pretty big concern. And it's exactly for that reason

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Speaker 27: you'd expect that it would have been consulted on rather

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Speaker 27: than put it into last sort of late amendments.

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Speaker 2: And what would you like the government to do now,

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Speaker 2: given that they have done this without consultation.

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Speaker 27: Well, the Law Society has written an open letter, which

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Speaker 27: no doubt you've seen, just requesting the amendment be withdrawn.

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Speaker 27: And so I guess that's the first thing. And if

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Speaker 27: they can't do that, then it's back to the legislation

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Speaker 27: or back to select Committee for consultation on it. And

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Speaker 27: as a final point, the Law Society said, look, if

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Speaker 27: you're going to do if you're not going to do

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Speaker 27: any of those things, then take out the search power

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Speaker 27: and have us think about the timing that you've currently

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Speaker 27: got in there, because I'm not going to try and

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Speaker 27: get my head around. I've just got off the late

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Speaker 27: flight unfortunately. But my recollection is there's a technical issue

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Speaker 27: with the way that the repeater sending is described as

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Speaker 27: dating from conviction as opposed to from the hearing itself.

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Speaker 27: And that's kind of a lovely lawyer's point, but it's

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Speaker 27: not what it's going to move the needle very much.

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Speaker 27: But it's the sort of thing you dine out before

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Speaker 27: you enacted legislation normally, so that it all works as intended.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, Chris, thank you, Always appreciate your time. That's

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Speaker 2: Chris Macklin of the Law Society.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 2: On the hudled us this even Wh've got Toby Manharer

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Speaker 2: of the spinoff and Nick Mill's host of Wellington Mornings

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Speaker 2: here on ZIB Hello you too.

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Speaker 9: Hello, what do you mean Toby? What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Does it need to go back? Does it need to

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Speaker 2: be changed? Does it need to be removed.

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Speaker 4: We're talking here about the gang patch. Two parts to it,

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Speaker 4: don't they.

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Speaker 13: I mean the process seems the most worrying one, and

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Speaker 13: coming back on the on the back of some of

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Speaker 13: the changes to do with the firearms laws. I do

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Speaker 13: think there's a problem with process, And yeah, it does

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Speaker 13: seem like the sort of thing that should be up

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Speaker 13: for public scrutiny.

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Speaker 2: Is your problem with the process, Toby, that it feels

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Speaker 2: like the government is doing a whole bunch of stuff,

1142
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: ramming it through without consultation.

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Speaker 4: Well, I do think it's starting to look like a pattern.

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Speaker 13: It does seem like the kind of thing that that

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00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 13: needs to be up up for public scrutiny, up for transparency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon that?

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Speaker 28: I think for it, I agree with Toby one hundred percent,

1148
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Speaker 28: But I also think that it's the most stupidest thing

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Speaker 28: I've ever heard.

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Speaker 26: I mean, how the hell are you going to ban

1151
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Speaker 26: a person from having a patch in their home.

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Speaker 9: I mean, now we're starting to get.

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Speaker 28: Really nippicky, and you've got to be convicted four times

1154
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Speaker 28: before they're going to come and take it away from you.

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is all getting We've got bigger fish

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Speaker 9: to fry.

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Speaker 28: Than worrying about whether a guy has been had up

1158
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Speaker 28: three times for wearing a gang patch out and whether

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Speaker 28: he's got it at his home on his fourth time.

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Speaker 26: I mean, to me, it's mixed thinking of like, really,

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Speaker 26: have we really got to that level?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think Nick, you're probably onto something here, which is

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Speaker 2: that perfectly good things are being ruined with some stupid

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: things in there, right, I mean.

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Speaker 9: Come on, give us a break.

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Speaker 13: And the worry is the worry is that you will

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Speaker 13: have a situation where that will be used as a

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Speaker 13: pretext for other things, and then you give into these

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Speaker 13: kind of civil liberties areas.

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Speaker 4: You can argue either way.

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Speaker 2: Don't you get the feeling that that is exactly why

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Speaker 2: it's in there?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 13: If so, then, as you point out, a compromises the

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Speaker 13: principle on which the gang patch thing is based, which

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Speaker 13: is we you know, it's not about cracking down on

1178
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Speaker 13: people who want to express themselves in particular ways of private.

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Speaker 13: It's about cracking down on people who use intimidatory tactics

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Speaker 13: in public.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, hey listen, yeah, And we're not going.

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Speaker 9: To decide what people were in their bedrooms?

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Speaker 2: Are we Look, I have to be honest with you, though, Nick,

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Speaker 2: I do feel like that's slightly a red herring, Like

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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel to me like they are going to

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Speaker 2: go and police. Whether you know Harry from the Mungrol

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Speaker 2: mob is wearing his patch in his bedroom, it's more

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Speaker 2: about having the ability to go in and seize that

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Speaker 2: patch because he's probably going to wear it to an

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Speaker 2: event tomorrow. I understand what he's done it repeatedly.

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Speaker 28: My comment is just really, are we really getting to

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Speaker 28: that sort of stage when we've got so many other

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Speaker 28: issues in our country?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think you'd be hard pressed to find

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Speaker 2: somebody who thinks this is a good idea. So I

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Speaker 2: think that tells you everything you need to know about it. Toby,

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Speaker 2: do you think that to a peer who district is stuffed, like,

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Speaker 2: is this the end of the road for them?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's so sad. It's so terribly sad.

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Speaker 13: And they've also had all sorts of knocks around ski

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Speaker 13: fields and otherwise. And you look at Hacuney and it's

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Speaker 13: a real struggling, fantastic town and it just goes back

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Speaker 13: to this point about the way that our electricity markets

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Speaker 13: are set up, that those that those those prices could

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Speaker 13: go sore up and then collapse down in such short time.

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Speaker 13: And it's a real tragedy that this hasn't been dealt

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Speaker 13: with by consecutive governments.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, what do you you mean in terms of power prices,

1209
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Speaker 2: like having fixed the problem agent.

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Speaker 13: Spot prices the way the spot prices work, and that's

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Speaker 13: what killed them, right, That's what's killed the Winstone things,

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Speaker 13: is that the prices are so and that's why you

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Speaker 13: know when you look down at t Y they've got

1214
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Speaker 13: this crazy, incredible deal by holding the government to ransom.

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Speaker 13: But and in between would be sorting a system where

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Speaker 13: you can't have spot electricity prices going up by seven

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Speaker 13: hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pussy, it's come to it a nick.

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Speaker 9: I've got a simple theory to it all.

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Speaker 28: Really, the electricity thing is really out of control, right,

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Speaker 28: the government holds the power of everything with electricity. Let's

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Speaker 28: be really perfectly clear about it. Why don't they actually

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Speaker 28: give interest free loans to every New Zealander to put

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Speaker 28: them in the greenhouse glass things on top of their

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Speaker 28: roofs and left panel work and yeah, solar panels and

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Speaker 28: make it much more simple.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm really starting to get this is really bad.

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Speaker 28: The fact that a company has to close down because

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Speaker 28: they can't get power supply at an affordable rate.

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Speaker 9: I mean, that is really bad, isn't it. We're not

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Speaker 9: the Third World, don't we.

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Speaker 2: No, But we're getting there, aren't we. Toby.

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Speaker 13: I just think, I just think governments of both stripes

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Speaker 13: have got a lot to answer for here. The system

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Speaker 13: hasn't been working for a long time, and it's just

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Speaker 13: really sad that there are a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 13: who you won't blame them. The first thing to be

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Speaker 13: doing is getting on a plane to Australia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right though, Well, okay, guys, we'll come back

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Speaker 2: to you very shortly and we'll talk about whether we

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Speaker 2: are actually going backwards into third world status and being

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Speaker 2: too gloomy about it. Right now, it's coming up sixteen

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Speaker 2: away from six the Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southerbeast International Realty, exceptional marketing for every property here.

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Speaker 2: The energy prices didn't kill the Mills, get real. It's

1246
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Speaker 2: far deeper than that, Barry. You make a good point.

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Speaker 2: It is also obviously the pulp prices, but it is

1248
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Speaker 2: also the energy prices. Back with the Huddle, Nick Mills

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Speaker 2: and Toby man High. Nick, do you think Patrick Smelly

1250
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Speaker 2: is right in saying we're too gloomy and we need

1251
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Speaker 2: to cheer up.

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Speaker 28: One hundred percent? I'm really been trying to do that

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Speaker 28: on my show. I'm even trying to work out one

1254
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Speaker 28: of the good things that we're out there, because there

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Speaker 28: is you know, we've just had two fabulous days of

1256
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Speaker 28: weather or Wellington and I just want to walk down

1257
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Speaker 28: the street and go.

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Speaker 26: Yay, summer's coming. Let's start smiling. Let's start and enjoy.

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Speaker 28: We're at a tough time, we're still there, but let's

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Speaker 28: smile about it. You know, whenever you feel really down

1261
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 28: and you smile, no matter how down you feel, you

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Speaker 28: feel better when you smile.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you're about to break into soling there.

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Speaker 4: This is great.

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Speaker 2: You know what, when you're finished with your job, Nick,

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Speaker 2: you can become a motivational speaker and that can literally

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Speaker 2: just be the thing that you go around telling people, Toby,

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Speaker 2: what do you reckon? I mean, look, we are gloomy.

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Speaker 2: The question is are we unjustifiably gloomy or is it justified?

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Speaker 13: Well, it's great to have Patrick Smelly back. I'm a

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00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 13: big smelly head myself. Although whether or not he got

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Speaker 13: an accurate version on his extended six months.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know from everyone.

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Speaker 13: You know, people don't people who come here won't necessarily

1275
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Speaker 13: hear us complaining. And if you go to the UK,

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Speaker 13: I bet they're complaining in private, maybe.

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Speaker 4: Just not to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good point.

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Speaker 13: So there's a little bit of this kind of But

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Speaker 13: you know, it's a bit like that John Clark. We

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Speaker 13: don't know how lucky we are. I think that's true.

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Speaker 13: I think that's a good point. I think it is

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Speaker 13: worth remembering. But actually we have an enormous amount of images.

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Speaker 13: I wouldn't want to live in any other country in

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Speaker 13: the world.

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Speaker 2: No, do you have anything what Nick?

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Speaker 9: Oh gosh, put me in Melbourne tomorrow, melourne tomorrow.

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00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 2: Personality Nick saying we've got to be happy. But then

1289
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Speaker 2: you want to move to Melbourne.

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Speaker 4: He wants to be happy on a Melbourne radio station.

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Speaker 9: I think I'd be happier in Melbourne. You why.

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Speaker 28: I think free transport around the city, and the city

1293
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 28: is trying to get ahead and try to help everyone

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Speaker 28: become more successful.

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Speaker 9: We've got that in Wellington.

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Speaker 28: We've got this council of doing exactly the same thing

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Speaker 28: in Willington, but we just haven't felt fallen in love

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Speaker 28: with him yet.

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Speaker 2: No, but your council sucks. I mean, I feel for you.

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Speaker 2: So that really is a difficult situation. But do you

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Speaker 2: think what do you reckon? Nick? I mean, are we

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Speaker 2: justified in being as gloomy as we are because it

1303
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: actually as as we think?

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 28: Yeah, I think it is quite bad, and I think

1305
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 28: that we are justified that it is tough. But we've

1306
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 28: got to fight away out of it. You know what

1307
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 28: I started about two weeks ago because everything was coming

1308
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 28: at me. Business is tough, I'm in hospitals. Everything's coming

1309
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 28: at me in every way. And then I started saying

1310
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 28: to myself, Okay, I'll bottom down.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 28: I know you're going to say I'm sounding like a

1313
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 28: motivational speaker, but I've bottomed out.

1314
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 9: So everything now.

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01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 26: I'm going to put a positive spin on.

1316
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 9: You know, the things that hit you in the between

1317
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 9: the eyes.

1318
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 28: You think that's something in the last twenty five minutes,

1319
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 28: and I'll feel fine again.

1320
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:21,959
Speaker 26: Yeah, let's get going again.

1321
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 28: Hey, it has been really tough, but if we don't

1322
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 28: change our attitude, it will carry on.

1323
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 2: Do you know what I've been doing is before I

1324
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: go to sleep at night, I tell myself I'm grateful

1325
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: for three things, and then in the morning I take

1326
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: Vitamin D. Do you want to try that?

1327
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 26: When I go to bed tonight, I pray for something

1328
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 26: to happen to me that doesn't happen very often.

1329
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 9: Together, What is that good night's sleep?

1330
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 13: Oh?

1331
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you and I have got a We can

1332
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: talk to each other about that because I've got a toddler. Hey, Toby,

1333
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: I'm not speaking of kids. I'm not entirely sure that

1334
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: banning kids from social media is the answer.

1335
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 4: Oh, this is the Australian government moving towards under fourteen.

1336
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 13: Men.

1337
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Speaker 4: You're interesting, isn't it that? I mean, obviously everyone here.

1338
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 13: I think just about everyone I talked to thinks that

1339
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 13: the banning of social banning of phones and schools was

1340
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 13: a triumph, and so that's a step in the right direction.

1341
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Speaker 13: We've talked about this before. It's impact on kids. I

1342
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 13: don't know if banning it's the answer. I don't know

1343
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 13: if this is practical. But the thing I would do

1344
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 13: is make it mandatory for devices to have a really

1345
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 13: accessible and clear facility for parents to set a limit,

1346
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 13: you know, and to be able to be able to

1347
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 13: monitor what their kids are doing, because that's where the

1348
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 13: worry is to me, is when the kids disappear for

1349
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 13: ages and who knows where they are or what new

1350
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 13: social media site they're surfing.

1351
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. That would help, wouldn't it, Nick,

1352
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: if you know what the kids are doing on the phone.

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01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 28: The issue is, and I work with a lot of

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01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 28: young people in my other job, right, all people in

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01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 28: their early twenties, and that when I brought this up

1356
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 28: today in a group of about ten people, they all

1357
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 28: just laughed. They said, how the hell are they going

1358
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 28: to bat? I said, Australia's banning it. Australia's bantered, Hell,

1359
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 28: tell us how, I don't believe there's any way, And like,

1360
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 28: you think about it with your own family.

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01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 26: If you've got a ten or twelve year old kid

1362
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 26: and he's not allowed to.

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01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 28: Use it till he's fourteen, dad sets them up and

1364
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 28: he just used it under dad's name, it's not It's

1365
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 28: absolutely not forcible at all.

1366
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 2: No, I think I think probably actually, Toby. The only

1367
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 2: thing you can do is sort of in the same

1368
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: way that you teach the kids how to be safe

1369
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: around water and how to be safe around roads, how

1370
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: to be safe around the internet.

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 13: Yeah, and that's why I think we need to be

1372
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 13: It's you know, in schools, my kids are getting lots

1373
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 13: of sessions on what they need to look out for.

1374
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 13: It's probably that us, the parents, who really need the

1375
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 13: sessions so that we can learn what the tools are

1376
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 13: that mean we can monitor what our kids are doing

1377
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 13: because they're still young, they're still impressionable, and there is

1378
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 13: some seriously dangerous stuff.

1379
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Speaker 2: Out there too, right.

1380
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Speaker 28: How Fortunately, the government spent thirty three million dollars with

1381
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 28: his company trying to sort that out so that people

1382
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 28: couldn't do the stuff on the schools. And we've just

1383
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 28: had a report out that said that they could see

1384
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 28: porn and stuff I shouldn't be seeing it in schools.

1385
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 2: See the kids find even in schools, the kids find

1386
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: a way around it. Toby can grats the Spin Office. Ten.

1387
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Speaker 2: Is it today?

1388
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: It is today? Yeah, it is today. It's crazy, crazy,

1389
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 4: isn't it. Yeah?

1390
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 13: That little TV blog that grew into an unseemly forest

1391
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 13: in this day and age.

1392
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: Unseemly forest in this day and age. It's a wonder

1393
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: if anybody in the media survives, so to actually grow

1394
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 2: up in the media at the moment is pretty amazing.

1395
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: Well done. Hey, thank you guys, appreciated, Nick Mill's host

1396
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: of Wellington Mornings and Toby man High the spin off.

1397
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: I've got to tell you about this Apple stuff. What

1398
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: Apple's unbailed? Today's actually quite cool. Eight away from six

1399
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 2: on your smart.

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01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 3: Speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car on

1401
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: your drive home.

1402
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Alan drive with one New Zealand one giant

1403
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: Leap for business news talk as it be.

1404
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: Hey, I've been meaning to tell you this. By the way,

1405
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: if you shop at Asos and yet at the moment

1406
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 2: I think you can. You can buy your stuff and

1407
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 2: then you can send your returns in for free and

1408
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: then they'll send you your size back or whatever. Now

1409
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: it's going to cost you nine bucks New Zealand. So

1410
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: it looks like online is in for a little bit

1411
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: of a shakeup. This is online shopping. Talk to Chris

1412
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 2: Wilkinson or first retail Group after six o'clock. Here we go.

1413
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: This is what's going on with the Apple. Okay. So

1414
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: normally I don't get excited about tech launches, this functional stuff.

1415
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't think my phone is an exciting thing. I

1416
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: think my phone is just a tool, but this is

1417
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 2: actually quite cool. First of all, they've launched a whole

1418
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. They've launched the phone in the air

1419
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: pods and stuff. The phone, which is Apple Phone sixteen,

1420
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: is full of AI and actually quite useful AI. Like,

1421
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: for example, you'd be able to take a photograph of

1422
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: a restaurant's name, and then it will be able through

1423
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: that you'll be able to access all kinds of other

1424
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: information like it's menu and details about opening hours and

1425
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: stuff like it. Just from the name. That's useful. You

1426
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: could take a photograph of the dog, a dog in

1427
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: the park and it will tell you it's breed, that

1428
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: all of that is coming next month. You'll also be

1429
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: able to do things like say to the phone, Siri,

1430
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: find me a picture of me dancing in a red dress,

1431
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: and it will go through your photos and find that picture.

1432
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: Which how good is that? When you're like, ah, where

1433
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 2: is the banana muffin recipe that I screenshot at? When

1434
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: did I do that? Will you just say find me

1435
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: the photograph of the banana recipe. I's like a screenshot

1436
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: of How helpful that I think is going to come

1437
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: in coming months. That's not next next month, And then

1438
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 2: it's going to be able to understand our Kiwi accents

1439
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: a little bit better, so you're not gonna have to

1440
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 2: pretend that you're an American when you're talking to Siri.

1441
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: There's a whole bunch of other stuff that the nerds

1442
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: are going to laugh, Like there's a new button for

1443
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: taking photographs of one. You press it once, it will

1444
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 2: open the camera. Press it twice, it will take a photo.

1445
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: You long press it will take a video. Stuff like

1446
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: that phone will be thirty percent faster, best iPhone battery ever,

1447
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 2: you'll be recording in Dolby Vision. Blah blah whatever. But

1448
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: this is the bit I'm really into. The new air

1449
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 2: pods can go from playing music into your ears into

1450
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: being hearing aids. So if you've got a mild hearing loss,

1451
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 2: you're not going to have to fork out for hearing aids.

1452
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,479
Speaker 2: You're going to be able to just buy air pods

1453
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 2: and the rest of us will think you've just got

1454
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: air pods in your face, won't we hanging out the

1455
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: side of your head, But there'll be your little hearing aids.

1456
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: But also for nosy people, what it means is you

1457
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: could put your air pods in and you could be

1458
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 2: sitting here and across the office up to ten meters away,

1459
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: your boss could be having a heated conversation with somebody.

1460
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: You put in your hearing aids business, you'll be able

1461
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: to tune in on that conversation.

1462
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 9: How cool is that?

1463
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: That is quite handy, I'm into. I reckon I might

1464
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: need to put that on my Christmas shopping list because

1465
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: that's going to create.

1466
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 17: I'm going to have to start being very careful what

1467
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 17: I talk about. Everyone's going to be wearing those and

1468
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 17: me too.

1469
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 2: We're going to be using code words for people.

1470
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: Here.

1471
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: The Melbourne is a toxic infection on the earth. Here,

1472
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,479
Speaker 2: the Melbourne is a cockcase and chronic debt. I agree.

1473
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: Melbourne's just a giant car park with an overcast sky.

1474
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 2: It's awing newstalks'b.

1475
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 3: You've been tracking where the money is glowing?

1476
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: With the business hour, we'd hand the duplicyl and my

1477
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: hr on newstalksb.

1478
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: Kevening coming up for the next hour. Auckland Council is

1479
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: being labeled delusional over its climate plan to cut car

1480
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: use in half in just six years. I'm going to

1481
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: explain this here Brad Olsen on what the future is

1482
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: for the rupeir Who district now that the mill are

1483
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: closing in Jamie Mackay will be thus shortly. It's coming

1484
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: up eight past six. Now it looks like online shopping

1485
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: isn't for a bit of a shake up. A UK

1486
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: retailer Asos is going to start charging UK shops about

1487
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: four pounds to return items unless they keep forty pounds

1488
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: worth of their order, and in New Zealand returns will

1489
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: cost us about nine bucks New Zealand dollars. It's one

1490
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: of a number of changes being brought in by a

1491
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: big online retailers. Boohoo recently introduced a freight charge into

1492
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: New Zealand, and Nike has pulled out of shipping here altogether.

1493
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: First Retail Group Managing director Chris Wilkinson is with.

1494
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 9: Us now, Hey, Chris, hey, how are you heavy?

1495
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm very well? Thank you know? Is this because people

1496
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: are taking the mickey with what they're ordering and how

1497
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 2: much they're ordering.

1498
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 29: There's been there, it has been that situation in the UK.

1499
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 29: Around six percent of Asos's customers make up a very

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01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 29: large portion of those returns.

1501
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: What are people doing? Are they? I mean Is it

1502
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: true that you've got some people who are buying clothing

1503
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 2: trying it on, wearing it out and then sending it back.

1504
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 19: Absolutely, it is a bit of that.

1505
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 29: You'll if anyone follows vloggers, you'll often see people you

1506
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 29: promoting the halls that they've done, trying the stuff on,

1507
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 29: showing it online and then sending it back.

1508
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: How prevalent do you think that is?

1509
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 29: Well, it is growing in prevalence, and the abuse abuses

1510
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 29: are certainly causing most of those retailers in the UK

1511
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 29: big challenges.

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01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 2: I imagine this is quite a pricey part of their

1513
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 2: business right because it'll be quite labor intens of having

1514
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: to unpack all the staff, make sure it's all there,

1515
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: presumably refresh it or whatever, and then put it back out.

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Speaker 29: We've just come back from working in the UK. It's

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01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 29: an industry in itself, these returns. There are factories dedicated

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01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 29: to taking the product back, checking it, refreshing it and

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01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 29: then either putting it back into stock or in some

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01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 29: cases it has to go to landfill.

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Speaker 2: Chris, is it going to impact how we buy from

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01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: these places? Because I'll be honest with you, I really

1523
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 2: struggle buying stuff online because of the uncertainty of sizing

1524
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: and the quality of the stuff, and so knowing that

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Speaker 2: you can send it back without any added cost is

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Speaker 2: kind of reassuring.

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Speaker 29: It's true. It's interesting because these retailers are encouraging Obviously

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01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 29: Asos doesn't have stores, but for the other big retailers,

1529
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 29: they're encouraging people to bring those returns back into store

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01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 29: and we're seeing store traffic is starting to rise back

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Speaker 29: in the UK.

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Speaker 4: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, that's a very smart move. Okay, So is this

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01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 2: just something we need to get used to. This is

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01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: just the way it's going to be from here on in.

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Speaker 29: I think so people will just have to realize this

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01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 29: is going to be the way of the future. All

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 29: the big retailers are doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, thank you. Always get to talk to you. Appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Chris Wilkinson, First Retail Group Managing Director. Apparently we are trying.

1541
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: We are wasting our time. If you've been hoping like

1542
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: I have, that if we just beg hard enough and

1543
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: just reduce the sovereign risk hard enough and just try

1544
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 2: hard enough, we're going to be able to get the

1545
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: overseas gas investors back into the country. Apparently, completely wasting

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: our time. They're not going to come back. This is

1547
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: according to Richard Tweety. Now, Richard Tweety was the former

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 2: managing director of Todd Energy, so he knows us business.

1549
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 2: He was there for a really long time and he's

1550
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 2: given a very rare insight into what he's thinking. To

1551
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: business desk. He reckons these guys overseas and never coming back. Firstly,

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01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 2: he says due to the perceived sovereign risk created by

1553
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,839
Speaker 2: Jasinda Ardun and her government banning further exploration licenses being issued,

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01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: which we know of. But secondly, because he says our

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01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: gas is actually running out. He says, during my time

1556
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 2: in the industry, we had joint ventures with Shell, BP, Conicco,

1557
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: Exon Mobile and others which drawed many exploration wells in Taranaki, Northland,

1558
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: East Coast, Wided, Upper Canterbury and extensively map prospects in

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: the Great South Basin. I can confidently say none of

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01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: the above majors will ever return to New Zealand. Sovereign

1561
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 2: risk is one thing, but the other fact is limited prospectivity,

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 2: which is basically we're going to run out of the stuff.

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01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: He says, we should not continue down the path of

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01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: hoping there will be more gas. The stuff does run out,

1565
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: and we are near that point in New Zealand, and

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01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: he says it's a complete fallacy to think that if

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 2: we just start exploring we'll find more gas. Hydro harbins

1568
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 2: have only been found in offshore and on shore Taranaki,

1569
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: despite extensive seismic acquisition and drilling of wales around New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: And here reckons it's very disappointing to hear, unfortunately, but

1571
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: here reckons basically the solution is just get alingy into

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01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 2: the country. That's the only way import it. Sticking in

1573
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: through Taranaki. It'll cost more than domestically produced gas, but

1574
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 2: at least we will have gas, and that is the

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01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: only solution. According to Richard twenty twelve, past six crunching.

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Speaker 2: Heather are boutique here in New Zealand. Charge thirty bucks

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01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 2: on a returned item that was too large and I'd

1603
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: paid full price for the item and I tried the

1604
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: item on I did not wear it at all, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not buying from them. Are very again, you have

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Speaker 2: thirty bucks a That is a lot of money, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen So it's going to turn some people off. Sixteen

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 2: past six Now we've been talking the re A pair

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Speaker 2: who district, the fact that it's been dealt a huge

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: blow with today's announcement that Winstone is going to close

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 2: two mills in the region. Around two hundred and thirty

1612
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: workers are set to lose their jobs and the mayor

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01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 2: Western Curtain is gutted. The government wasn't able to broker

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01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: a deal.

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Speaker 22: This is a big hit, Heather. I've had ups and downs,

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 22: as you know, but this is a big hit. I'm

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 22: really taking it personally to these companies seem to be

1618
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 22: milking the system and then when it gets to you know,

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01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 22: paying it back to the communities or if not, these

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01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 22: businesses that they're working hard on our behalf.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't add up infa metric principle. Economist Brad

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: Olson is with us. Now, Hey, Brad, good evening, Brad,

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01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: what proportion of the economy and the re A pair

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01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: who were these two mills look it was.

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Speaker 30: A substantial proportion, around about three and a half percent

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 30: of Real pair Who district's entire workforce was employed at

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01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 30: the mill, So it is a substantial hit. Now, of course,

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01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 30: it's not just that three point four four percent of

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 30: total employment directly, but it's all the other businesses in

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01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 30: Real pay Who that supported those mills with various you know,

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01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 30: supplies and similar so there is a much wider challenge

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 30: coming through I think important as well. When you look

1633
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 30: through the numbers, we can see that already over the

1634
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 30: last year, up until June, there was a two point

1635
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 30: three percent fall according to our analysisative metrics of field

1636
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 30: jobs and all pay Who's, so those jobs figures were

1637
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,799
Speaker 30: already coming down. It's tougher now because of the mill closures.

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01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 30: You've of course had the uncertainty because of Real pay

1639
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 30: Who Alpine lifts, what's been happening on both sides of

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01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 30: the mountain. So an already very difficult situation has become

1641
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 30: even more difficult with those closures. So a big hit

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01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 30: to the community, and I sort of think it's one

1643
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 30: of those areas where Real pay Who is likely one

1644
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 30: of the hardest hit parts of regional and rural New

1645
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 30: Zealand at the moment.

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01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you've got this, You've got the Tolareo Chateau,

1647
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 2: you've got the ski fields at the moment. How does

1648
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: it feel to you? Does it feel like this is

1649
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: a place that's a bit stuffed?

1650
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:52,839
Speaker 9: I wouldn't.

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01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that.

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01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 30: I mean, there's still a lot going for the area,

1653
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,680
Speaker 30: but it's quite clear that the operating environment is a

1654
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 30: lot more difficult. I mean, I think also worthwhile bearing

1655
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 30: in mind that we do see some of these challenges

1656
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 30: cropping up across different parts of the country. Real pay

1657
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 30: who's obviously sort of the post child and really in

1658
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 30: the thick of it at the moment, but it highlights

1659
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 30: that where you do have some of those sort of

1660
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 30: bigger anchor employers in particularly provincial New Zealand, the change

1661
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 30: in fortune for that anchor, provided that anchor employer, can

1662
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 30: have a big influence on the wider economy. I think

1663
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 30: the challenge all the difficulty here is that although you've

1664
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 30: seen electricity wholesale prices that have come back towards sort

1665
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 30: of much better positions over the last week or two,

1666
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 30: hydro levels have come up in similar the fundamentals those

1667
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 30: for the mills just didn't stack up anymore. You've got

1668
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 30: the potential for those energy costs despite higher but more importantly,

1669
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 30: commodity prices, particularly for forestry and wood based products just

1670
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 30: aren't in a sustainable area at the moment, and so

1671
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 30: if you've got low prices that you're getting in high

1672
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 30: costs that you're having to pay out, those numbers just

1673
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 30: don't start to stack up. From a business point of view,

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 30: do you think.

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 2: This will be the end of the closures because of energy.

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01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 4: Costs, Not necessarily.

1677
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 30: I think there's a lot of businesses, particularly in that

1678
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 30: sort of forestry based area making sort of wood based

1679
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 30: products that will still be considering. Yes, you might not

1680
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 30: have those sort of super high rocketing up prices like

1681
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 30: you had a couple of weeks back, but equally the

1682
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 30: risk of that hasn't necessarily gone away. If you have

1683
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 30: again drier conditions as we move through the rest of

1684
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 30: this year, and the hydro lakes sort of you know,

1685
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 30: we keep using the water and there's not quite as

1686
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 30: much that comes and replenishes it. If there's still that

1687
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 30: sort of gas issue that comes through, I think there's

1688
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 30: a lot of businesses that are probably going Is this

1689
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 30: just one off for more realistically, how many more times

1690
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 30: might it come through? And can they last through? I

1691
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 30: mean there are some big operators as well up in

1692
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 30: the Far North. They already lost energy of course because

1693
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 30: the pylon fell over. So there's a lot I think

1694
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 30: that are probably going. Actually the business operations are a

1695
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 30: lot more risky, a lot more costly, and of course

1696
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 30: that's got real implications for people, not only if they

1697
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 30: lose their job, but even just over the last couple

1698
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 30: of weeks, everyone who's been left in limbo.

1699
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 9: It's a really tough environment out there for a lot

1700
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 9: of people too, right.

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01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: It is, Hey, Brad, thank you very much. Appreciate it,

1702
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 2: Brad Olson in for Metric's principle economists. Hey, by the way,

1703
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 2: if you were hold hoping hanging out for the Afghanistan

1704
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 2: black Cat smatch, it's not going to happen. We're still

1705
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: in the weather delay. Well, they've ripped up the turf now,

1706
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 2: so it's not probably not going to happen today, is it.

1707
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 2: So I would say, just you know, Tyhu, we'll look

1708
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: at it again tomorrow. Got another example of ridiculous climate

1709
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: targets that need to be dropped. This is the Auckland

1710
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 2: Council example. So, because you know what, I love this

1711
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 2: because I love it when honesty comes in, and I

1712
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 2: don't like it when we're telling FIBs and pretending we

1713
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 2: can do things that we can't do. A LA in

1714
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: New Zealand, Volvo gm Ford, Sweden's aviation tax and now

1715
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: we've got Auckland Council. Now Auckland Council hasn't dropped their targets,

1716
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 2: but there are calls on them to drop their targets

1717
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: because their targets are delusional. So Auckland Council's plan is

1718
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: to get us to have in Auckland have our car

1719
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 2: use by twenty thirty. Think about that. Do you think

1720
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 2: that you are going to have your car use in

1721
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: the next six years?

1722
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 4: No?

1723
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: Do you think half of us are going to give

1724
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 2: up our cars in the next six years? No, this

1725
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. Also, on top of that, we need to

1726
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: apparently increase public transport trips by five and a half percent,

1727
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 2: and we need to increase e bikes and scooter use

1728
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: by thirteen times. It's not going to happen. Daniel Newman,

1729
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: who's a counselor down South, which means he represents people

1730
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: who are a little bit more hard up therefore do

1731
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: not want to play this stupid little game. He reckons,

1732
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 2: it's time to get over it. My mate Richard Hill's

1733
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 2: friend of the show. He loves it. He's like, now

1734
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,759
Speaker 2: you've got to be bold, You've got to keep pretending. Anyway,

1735
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Daniel Newman about this. Just

1736
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: after the half past six news. Jamie mckaie's with us

1737
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: next six twenty two.

1738
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 3: The Rural Report on hither due to see allan drive.

1739
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, on the cricket Apparently what they've

1740
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 2: done is they've brought giant industrial fans and to try

1741
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 2: and dry the ground. That is how desperate and ridiculous

1742
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 2: things are in India this cricket match. At the moment's

1743
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 2: six twenty four with US now is Amy mckaye, Host

1744
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: of the.

1745
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 19: Country A Jamie Hello, cousin Heather.

1746
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 2: Oh mate, it's tough to be a sheep farmer, isn't it.

1747
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1748
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 19: Wow, maybe I dodged a bullet there, because if the

1749
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 19: Rural Bank had lent me ninety grand way back in

1750
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 19: about nineteen eighty nine or ninety when I wanted to

1751
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 19: buy one hundred acres forty hectares of the neighboring block

1752
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 19: to expand my farming operation. If they'd lent me the

1753
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 19: money hither, I'd probably still be a sheep farmer, and

1754
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 19: I might be a bit bitter and twisted about doing that,

1755
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 19: because the returns are abysmal. Wait for this stat Southern

1756
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 19: sheep farmers. That's me if i'd stayed down in Riversdale,

1757
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 19: and I know you've been to the home farm there.

1758
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 19: They have to be they're getting a six point nine

1759
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 19: percent increase in profit. And while that sounds wonderful, guess

1760
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 19: how much they're earning for their whole year's work. Twenty thousand,

1761
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 19: two hundred dollars.

1762
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 9: And that's before.

1763
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,839
Speaker 19: That's before they wouldn't even pay you. You and barries

1764
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 19: like dinner, well, I mean for a year on Ponsonby Road.

1765
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 2: Is not far off like a big family. That's the

1766
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: grocery bill, oh.

1767
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 19: And more, I would have thought, to be honest. So

1768
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 19: from your twenty two hundred dollars, you've got to pay

1769
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 19: for your drawings. Obviously, you've got to live, and on

1770
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 19: top of that your tax, your principal repayments, capital expenditure obviously,

1771
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 19: and really tough times. Not much of that happens, but

1772
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 19: it is really tough for sheep farmers, and the further

1773
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 19: south you go probably the worst off they are in

1774
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 19: some ways. And because this is the new season outlook

1775
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 19: from Beef and lamb New Zealand and it's talking about

1776
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 19: sheep and beef, and the further south you go, the

1777
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 19: more proportion of sheep as opposed to beef. So these

1778
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 19: are the lowest recorded profits on record, inflation adjusted, and

1779
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 19: that goes back to the nineteen eighties when we had rogenomics.

1780
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 19: So really, really tough times and they're not being helped

1781
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 19: much heather by the banks. I did a totally unscientific

1782
01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 19: poll today on the country and you know, it makes

1783
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 19: me almost makes you want to cry. Some of the

1784
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 19: lending rates and mortgage rates and OD rates these farmers

1785
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 19: are paying. I had a contract milker who was paying

1786
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 19: thirteen and a half percent of an overdraft. See this

1787
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 19: guy's getting up every morning milking two thousand cows, employing

1788
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 19: ten full time staff, four casuals. He's spending four months

1789
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 19: of his twelve months of the year in overdraft. It's

1790
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 19: killing his operation. These are the people we should be encouraging.

1791
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 19: You know to drive the economy. The floating rates, to

1792
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 19: go by my unscientific poll for farmers between seven and

1793
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 19: eleven percent. But the od rates, the overdraft rates are

1794
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 19: the real killers. There between nine which is a pretty

1795
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 19: good deal probably, and up to fourteen or fifteen percent. Look,

1796
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 19: federated farmers are on the warpath. I'm on the warpath too,

1797
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 19: because I reckon the banks are having us on.

1798
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 5: Is that?

1799
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 2: How much higher is that than what you would be

1800
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,719
Speaker 2: paying as a towny with a residential loan.

1801
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 19: Well, ever, as fate would have it, I went on

1802
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 19: to my own personal bank website and looked at that

1803
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 19: I could get. I could get a floating deal with

1804
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 19: my bank at eight point three nine percent of no

1805
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 19: one's literally no no, no one's literally doing it. I

1806
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 19: can go out and borrow for eighteen months at five

1807
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 19: point nine to nine percent. I had the example today

1808
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 19: of a very well established farmer's worth. His equity would

1809
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 19: be in the tens of millions, and he has just

1810
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 19: helped his son in Dned into a house. This guy's

1811
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 19: been with the same bank for thirty years, and believe

1812
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 19: it or not, the son who's got bigger or equity,

1813
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 19: Dad's helped him into the house, got a two percent

1814
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 19: lower deal than this guy has, who's probably one of

1815
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 19: the leading clients for his bank. You know, we've got something,

1816
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 19: We've got something wrong here. We just need to we

1817
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 19: need to encourage the productive sector either.

1818
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamie, I think you're onto something man. Thank you

1819
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: so much, appreciate it. Jamie McKay, Host of the Country,

1820
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: Hither I had half my car use in six years.

1821
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: If they invent flying cars, well maybe that's what they're

1822
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 2: waiting for. It all from the Council. We'll talk about

1823
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:03,719
Speaker 2: their next News TALKSB.

1824
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1825
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duper, c Allen and my

1826
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: HR the HR Solution for busy SMS on News TALKSB.

1827
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: And Andy Brady's going to be with us out of

1828
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: the UK in about ten minutes time. Do you know

1829
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 2: who this is?

1830
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 24: No, I am the fathers in the music.

1831
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you do. It's Darth Vader, but it's

1832
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 2: also James Earl Jones, who unfortunately died this morning, actually

1833
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: made it to quite a good old age though ninety three.

1834
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't just Darth Vader. He was also Mustafa in

1835
01:23:58,920 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: The Lion King.

1836
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: You are my son from one True King.

1837
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 2: Say it properly and Rufussa yeah, fessor, yeah, that's because

1838
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a grown up, and answer is not. He

1839
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 2: knows all that he's collecting the Disney cards. Auntie.

1840
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 17: The nineteen twenty three Lion King is actually one of

1841
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 17: my favorite movies of all time.

1842
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: Do you get the Fuss card?

1843
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 17: I have the Reuss card?

1844
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of Themfassa cards. Actually, Answers told me, will

1845
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 2: you yeah? Okay. Answers told me which cards I need

1846
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: to bring in because I think what they're doing at

1847
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: will Worth is because they can see the online shop

1848
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 2: that I've obviously got a little one in the house,

1849
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:40,560
Speaker 2: so they just check a whole bunch of cards and

1850
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 2: I am over loaded with the cards. I'm almost starting

1851
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 2: to get a bit weird about it and actually collect

1852
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: them myself. Anyway, listen, so as you would imagine, James

1853
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 2: wil Jones got asked a lot about his voice, like

1854
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 2: a lot a lot.

1855
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 4: I have no presumptions or no arrogance about my voice.

1856
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 3: You know, you want to think that I might even

1857
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 3: be in love with my voice.

1858
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 4: I'm not, because it you the most unfaithful lover over

1859
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 4: bey hand, because it feels me.

1860
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: Often what a wonderful voice, though, hey, I mean some

1861
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 2: people have just got stunners of voices. Where there are

1862
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 2: some people who I could just listen to all day long,

1863
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 2: and actually he's probably one of them. He's got a

1864
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: lovely voice. He used to have a stutter when he

1865
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: was very very young, and actually was nearly mute for

1866
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 2: almost eight years of his childhood because he was so

1867
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: embarrassed by it. And look at that, the thing that

1868
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: was his greatest I suppose embarrassment when he was a kid,

1869
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: he turned into one of his most wonderful successes. So

1870
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: well downe him twenty two away from seven together. Now

1871
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: Auckland Council's climate plan for cars as being called delusional

1872
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 2: and the Council's being told to drop it in order

1873
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 2: to meet its Paris targets. What the Council's decided is

1874
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 2: that it wants to have Auckland's car use by twenty

1875
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 2: thirty right to you go half your car use in

1876
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: six years, get us using public transport five and a

1877
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: half times more than we do, which for me would

1878
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 2: be still zero, and increase cycling by thirteenfold Auckland Council

1879
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 2: of Daniel Newman says there is no way that's going

1880
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 2: to happen, and ain't he write let's have chat him

1881
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 2: about it, Daniel.

1882
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 5: Good evening, Heather, what's brought this on from you? Well,

1883
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 5: I think that it's time for us to fess up

1884
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 5: to the fact that we have an unfunded mandate, one

1885
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 5: of many and my colleagues either need to identify the

1886
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 5: cost and have a conversation with awkward is about paying

1887
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,759
Speaker 5: the cost for their aspirations, or we need to rethink

1888
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 5: the strategy given that the pathway is largely unfundable.

1889
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,799
Speaker 2: What do you mean the cost? What cost is attached

1890
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 2: to this? Is there a cost?

1891
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 5: There is a multi billion dollar unfunded cost to the

1892
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 5: sort of expenditure that would be required for re engineering

1893
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 5: the city, reengineering the region, as well as the sort

1894
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 5: of infrastructure that would be required for the stuff that

1895
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 5: to give effect this transformation. That would mean massive rate increases.

1896
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 5: My colleagues who talk about their aspirations for Auckland are

1897
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 5: not prepared to hike the rates. So if they're not

1898
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 5: prepared to do it, then we need to shelve the

1899
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 5: option of this but.

1900
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 2: Daniel, you're not talking about like, for example, of the

1901
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 2: country New Zealand doesn't meet its targets, we will have

1902
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 2: to spend I think off the top of we hit

1903
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: is something like twenty four billion dollars or something like

1904
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 2: that planting trees in other third world countries. We're not

1905
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 2: talking about something like that, right. We don't have a

1906
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 2: cost like that for Auckland, do we.

1907
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 5: What we have is a multi billion dollar price tag

1908
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 5: for the investment in public transport infrastructure, for the reallocation

1909
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 5: of our road corridors, for cycle ways, for the kind

1910
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 5: of intensive urban design and planning that would be necessary

1911
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:38,440
Speaker 5: to give effect to that. Much of this is unfunded.

1912
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 5: It's all mandated in this unfunded pathway, and I think

1913
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 5: that it's time that we had a debate about whether

1914
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 5: we should be sticking to that.

1915
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 2: We're not going to spend that much, though, are we,

1916
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 2: because that's just crazy. Listen, So how close how close

1917
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: to this are we going to come in terms of

1918
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: having car use what's realistic?

1919
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 5: Well, firstly, this plan isn't realistic because we're going in

1920
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 5: the other direct. The truth of the matter is, the

1921
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 5: truth of the matter is is that what we have

1922
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 5: is a budget setting program that is getting us significant

1923
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 5: progress with the investment in public transport, but the kind

1924
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 5: of stuff that we're talking about here in the Transport

1925
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 5: emissions Reduction Pathway is completely unfundable. And at the moment,

1926
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,839
Speaker 5: what we're doing is we're holding ourselves to a target

1927
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 5: for which we know that we're not going to meet

1928
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 5: because we're not prepared to pay the price of that.

1929
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 5: I don't think we should pay the price that because

1930
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 5: my constituents can't know or double the increases the lives.

1931
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so do you know so instead of harving our

1932
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 2: cars car use, we're actually increasing are we?

1933
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 13: Well?

1934
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 5: You know, you could say in a COVID affected will

1935
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 5: we have done better, but that's because all locked up

1936
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 5: for years. So you know, look, Auckland continues to grow. Yes,

1937
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 5: there has been some improvement, but the reality is we're

1938
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 5: not even close to meeting this target, and I don't

1939
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Speaker 5: think given growth that we're going to come anywhere close

1940
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Speaker 5: to it in my lifetime or yours. The truth of

1941
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Speaker 5: the matter is is that we can do certain things,

1942
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 5: but this sort of transformational stuff is so nebulous and

1943
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 5: unaffordable that we have to take a reality check.

1944
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Speaker 2: Now Daniel, I admire the fact that you're being honest

1945
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Speaker 2: about it, because obviously this is an impossibility. How many

1946
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: others around the council table are as honest as you

1947
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Speaker 2: are about it? Or are you alone voice no?

1948
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Speaker 5: I think it's a growing number. Admittedly, last time when

1949
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 5: we had this discussion I think I think it was

1950
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 5: about eighteen to three. I was in the minority on

1951
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 5: that one. But things have changed. The government changed, The

1952
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 5: new government has its Government policy statement a land Transport.

1953
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 5: The National Land Transport fund allocation for Auckland is very

1954
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 5: different to where we were at the end of twenty

1955
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 5: twenty two, and obviously Mayor Wayne Brown is working through

1956
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 5: options for discussion for his next meral proposal and your plan.

1957
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 5: I think this is an excellent time given what we

1958
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 5: now know the government will and will not fund to

1959
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 5: put this pathway aspirational target, which is we he's the

1960
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 5: words for unfunded mandate back on the table and say

1961
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 5: to Aucklanders do you want these double digit rate increases

1962
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 5: for the rest of your life or do we need

1963
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Speaker 5: to rethink this?

1964
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Speaker 2: I think you know what the answer would be, Daniel.

1965
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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it. Daniel Newman, Auckland counselor here the

1966
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Speaker 2: Grant Kadiyama has the best voice on New Zealand Radio.

1967
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 2: I could listen to him all day. Nay, I know

1968
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 2: where you're going with that. Seventeen away from seven.

1969
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Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1970
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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

1971
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Speaker 1: my HR the HR solution for busy smys on news

1972
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Speaker 1: talks eb Right, it's.

1973
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Speaker 2: Coming at fourteen away from seven and end. Brady Are

1974
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: UK correspondence with us now into.

1975
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 31: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, good to speak to you again.

1976
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Speaker 2: Listen. Fair to say that the overwhelming feeling that you

1977
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 2: get from watching Kites videos just like deep sadness.

1978
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Speaker 31: Do you know what I felt actually relief initially, you know,

1979
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 31: the first viewing of it, because yeah, just the fact

1980
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 31: that you know, she's telling the world she's cancer free.

1981
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 31: Let's be frank here, this could have had a very

1982
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 31: very different ending, as it does for many men and women.

1983
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 31: So I think the overwhelming emotions first of all were

1984
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 31: relief that it was good news. But I thought it

1985
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 31: was a beautiful family video. And I think what we're

1986
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 31: seeing is the future of the House of windsor you know,

1987
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 31: if this is how they're going to communicate going forward.

1988
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 31: A lot of thought has gone into that. I thought

1989
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 31: it was very professionally put together, really really uplifting, and

1990
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 31: you know, it was a bit kind of melancholic summer

1991
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 31: coming to an end here as we head into autumn

1992
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Speaker 31: and winter.

1993
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Speaker 4: But I thought it was beautiful and much needed.

1994
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 2: It was beautiful. But I still get the impression that

1995
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 2: she is not as well as perhaps people would like

1996
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 2: to believe, because she said there's a long journey ahead

1997
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 2: of it and she needs to try to stay cancer free.

1998
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Speaker 9: Yes, and I think that's the big fear.

1999
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Speaker 31: Look for anyone who has had cancer in the family

2000
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 31: will tell you that the big fear is it coming back.

2001
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 31: So there was no triumphalism. There was no being of

2002
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 31: the chest and saying I've beaten this and look at me,

2003
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 31: you know. And I thought it was very humble and

2004
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 31: kind and very Christian at the end where she said,

2005
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 31: you know, anyone else going through cancer, I stand beside you.

2006
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:25,720
Speaker 31: So I think a very powerful moving message from a

2007
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 31: woman who will be Queen of this country and the

2008
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Speaker 31: Commonwealth eventually. And I thought it was beautiful.

2009
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 5: And I'm in no way a royalist or a monarchist.

2010
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Speaker 31: But good luck to her because so many other girls

2011
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,799
Speaker 31: don't have this outcome.

2012
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: And how nice is it to see them raising their

2013
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: kids just like a normal family.

2014
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 31: Yeah, precisely, you know, enjoying the sunshine, the haybales, going

2015
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 31: out on the beach in Norfolk and just having a laugh,

2016
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 31: and the kids messing around with the camera.

2017
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 9: You know.

2018
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Speaker 31: My only if I was to say, if I'd wanted

2019
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 31: one more little thing from the video, would have been

2020
01:32:56,200 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 31: a bit more of Louis. He's everyone's favorite royal and

2021
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 31: I'd love to see him get hold of a camcorder

2022
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:04,639
Speaker 31: for a day and go off by himself.

2023
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 9: I'd watch. I'd pay good money to watch that.

2024
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a bit of a star, isn't he. Hey,

2025
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 2: I see that there is an increasing number of people

2026
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 2: who are calling into question whether Lucy Lipby actually did

2027
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 2: this or not. What do you think?

2028
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 3: So?

2029
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 31: Look, she had the longest criminal trial in English legal history,

2030
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 31: and she was found guilty at the end of it,

2031
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 31: guilty of murdering seven babies the attempted murder of seven

2032
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 31: other babies. She is serving fifteen whole life sentences. A

2033
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 31: whole life sentence in the UK means that you will

2034
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 31: die in prison. Quite frankly, you will never see the

2035
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 31: light of day again. And she's serving fifteen of them now.

2036
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 31: Lots of unqualified people on social media have been banging

2037
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 31: this drum since the conviction, saying that there was unsafe

2038
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 31: evidence that they relied too heavily on the nursing rosters.

2039
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 31: What the nursing rosters did was point the detectives in

2040
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 31: the direction of one person. There was one person and

2041
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,879
Speaker 31: shift when every single one of these poor little lymphants

2042
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 31: who were newborn were either murdered or grievously harmed.

2043
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 9: And that person was Lucy Lepbye.

2044
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Speaker 31: So look, she's appointed a new legal team, she's got

2045
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 31: rid of all her legal team previously, and new guys

2046
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 31: come in and he wants the case to go to

2047
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 31: the Criminal Cases Review Commission, who ultimately will say whether

2048
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 31: or not can go to the Court of Appeal. She's

2049
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,560
Speaker 31: already been turned down once for an appeal. So I

2050
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 31: don't see any new evidence. I don't see any other suspect.

2051
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 31: You know, Ultimately, she had her trial, she was found guilty,

2052
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 31: she did the crime, and in the minds of most

2053
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 31: right minded people in the UK, she can bloody well

2054
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 31: serve the.

2055
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 2: Time interesting and to thank you. I really appreciate you time.

2056
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 2: I was always talked you. In a couple of days,

2057
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 2: it's into Brady aw Uk correspondent here the try putting

2058
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 2: you day into the Auckland Transport journey planners. Sometimes I

2059
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 2: do it from time to time, just for entertainment. More

2060
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 2: often than not, the journey planner will tell me I

2061
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 2: need to start my trip the night before, the implication

2062
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 2: being that I should peck att into a sleeping bag neck.

2063
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 2: That'll because they're shutting the motorway all the time, won't it.

2064
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 2: They're like, we've cut you off from the south. Oh well, Auckland, CBD,

2065
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 2: you're stuck in there, can't get to the Bombay's pack attend.

2066
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 2: That'll be them just that'll be That'll be them compensating

2067
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 2: for them basically because you know, such as life in Auckland.

2068
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 2: Beyoncey I, you'll feel like she she has reason to

2069
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 2: be bitter. She's been snubbed at the Country Music Awards.

2070
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 2: Her country album Cowboy Carter hasn't been given a single nomination,

2071
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 2: not even one. And actually some of those tunes a bangers.

2072
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: Morgan Wollen is absolutely swimming in the Nooms this year,

2073
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 2: he's got seven, including the top prize, which is Entertainer

2074
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 2: of the Year. But yeah, beyoncey old country community just

2075
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 2: resisting her, not loving her, and you know what, Like,

2076
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people want to see this

2077
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 2: as a race thing. I don't know that it is.

2078
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 2: I reckon, it's just a pop star thing. It's like,

2079
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 2: you're not one of us, You're a pop star buger off.

2080
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 2: That's what that's That's what's going on there A nine

2081
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:56,759
Speaker 2: away from seven.

2082
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,600
Speaker 3: Whether it's macro MicroB or just playing economics.

2083
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,719
Speaker 1: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen

2084
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for sme us.

2085
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 2: By the way, on Siri, someone reckons if your Siri

2086
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 2: isn't working on your phone, you're not supposed to try

2087
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 2: and talk to it like an American because you know,

2088
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work, you're hey, Siri, Carl say a

2089
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 2: pan instead of called Chavorn like a normal person.

2090
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 17: Apologies to every listener whose phone just lit up.

2091
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,919
Speaker 2: Sorry, everybody's calling sibhand now anyway, Apparently you're not supposed

2092
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: to do it. I'm sorry about that. Actually, I should

2093
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,679
Speaker 2: have given you a trigger warning. Apparently you're not supposed

2094
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: to do it in an American accent. Apparently the closest

2095
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: thing that you can get is the South African accent.

2096
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 2: So if you select that and then just talk to it.

2097
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 2: I didn't know that you could select different accents, but

2098
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 2: if you select that and then talk to it, apparently

2099
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 2: they'll understand what you're saying. So who knew because they

2100
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 2: don't sound anything like us to that the South Africans.

2101
01:36:51,240 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, I don't know what you're saying. No,

2102
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 2: that's a lie. I always know what they're saying because

2103
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 2: my mum is one. Now the answer has been quite

2104
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 2: like worked up about today and I don't really understand why.

2105
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to you explaining this to me ants.

2106
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 2: But apparently apparently so young people nowadays, the gen zs

2107
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 2: have been complaining that the hate dating because they hate

2108
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 2: the apps. And the problem with the apps is that

2109
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: it's a totally meaningless thing. Right, You basically just judged

2110
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: on whether you're hot or not, and then the boys

2111
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 2: it's except it's always boys, aren't they. Boys immediately ask

2112
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 2: for a nudie, don't they, So they want to take

2113
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 2: it there immediately, and that is extremely disappointing to the

2114
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 2: young ladies. But then then also if you don't do

2115
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 2: what they want you to do to give them a nudi,

2116
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 2: or if you're not hot at arf, or if they

2117
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 2: get bored of you or whatever, they just start ghosting

2118
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 2: you and never never message you. And they think the

2119
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 2: young ones that it was easier for older generations because

2120
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 2: you actually had to get to know somebody properly. You

2121
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,799
Speaker 2: met them through a friend or family or shared interests,

2122
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 2: and you actually engaged and you got to know more

2123
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 2: than just how they looked in the photo. Why did

2124
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 2: that work?

2125
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 9: You up?

2126
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 2: Ants? You said you could talk for hours.

2127
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 17: Oh, I just I think it's a fascinating debate. I

2128
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 17: just want to make it clear. I'm not saying it's

2129
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 17: easy dating now, like for the young ones on the

2130
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 17: dating apps. All that stuff you said, it's completely true,

2131
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 17: But like asking a girl in real life at high

2132
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 17: school for her phone number and her giving you the

2133
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,719
Speaker 17: landline number at her.

2134
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 2: House which her dad was going to, Well, that's the thing.

2135
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 17: And then you call, You're like, cool, when do I call?

2136
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 17: Do I call it five? Do I call it seven?

2137
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 17: Like when's a good time to call? And when someone

2138
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 17: who isn't the girl that I'm calling picks up the

2139
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 17: phone and says, Hi, who's this? What do I say?

2140
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 9: You know?

2141
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 17: Do you just sort of hang up?

2142
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 2: And then her older sister listening in on the other phone.

2143
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 17: On the other you're picking up the other hands in

2144
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 17: the house and stuff like that. And then when you say, oh, hey,

2145
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 17: well can I meet you at you know, the movies

2146
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 17: at Saturday at midday? And then you know, she goes

2147
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,560
Speaker 17: to hospital or something and has no way of telling you.

2148
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 17: You just sort of show up at the movies. And

2149
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 17: I appreciate people get ghosted now, but back then you

2150
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 17: had no idea.

2151
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 2: And she makes such good Is she late?

2152
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 17: Is she ten minutes late? But I don't know?

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Speaker 2: She hates me? Is she going to mock me at school?

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Speaker 17: That's right? Is this a big prank?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 17: I mean, I just think people look at the past

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Speaker 17: with rose tinted glasses. Sometimes I agree, you win. You

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Speaker 17: win that No one sent me nudes, though, so I

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Speaker 17: think we'll call it a drawer at the very least.

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Speaker 17: Always look on the bright side of life to play

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Speaker 17: us out hither From the famous Monty Python movie The Life.

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Speaker 2: Of Brian channeling Patrick now aren't you.

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Speaker 17: Wow, I'm actually channeling our own motivational speaker, Nick Mills.

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Speaker 17: Remember we have been talking about all the gloom on

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Speaker 17: the show today and then Nick came in with.

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Speaker 28: Us, Yay, summer's coming. Let's start smiling, let's start enjoy.

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Speaker 28: We're at a tough time, We're still there. But Liz,

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Speaker 28: smile about it. You know, whenever you feel really down

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Speaker 28: and you smile, no matter how down you feel, you

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Speaker 28: feel better when you smile.

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Speaker 17: Where's the lie. For more of that positivity, you can

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Speaker 17: always catch Nick from nine am to midday on new

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Speaker 17: Stooks hid by Wellington JEU.

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Speaker 2: And it's just it's just misery free. It's completely misery free.

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Speaker 2: He's just smiling all the way through. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: A's appreciate it. See you tomorrow, news Stooks.

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Speaker 11: It be.

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Speaker 4: Try to spend three weeks.

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Speaker 26: If it plays talks, I told you, I said it

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Speaker 26: was Bernie, I said, I'll never make.

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Speaker 13: That money.

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