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Speaker 2: And give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're going

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Speaker 3: to go to the Middle East to a journalist, a

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Speaker 3: Kiwi journalist base. They're affected by the air strikes. Chris Bishop,

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Speaker 3: the minister responsible for the RMA reform, given councils the

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Speaker 3: power to kill the native species. And we'll tell you

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Speaker 3: why you need to stop chewing gum.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about this debate that Halen Clark has

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Speaker 3: set off about where the New Zealand should be condemning

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Speaker 3: the US air strikes on Iran. Now you'll have noticed

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Speaker 3: this New Zealand hasn't condemned the air strikes. In fact,

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Speaker 3: in a radio interview this morning, the Prime Minister said

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Speaker 3: that our position is the same as the Australian position,

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Speaker 3: and the Australian position is that they support the strikes.

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Speaker 3: So therefore logical conclusion we actually support the strikes, even

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Speaker 3: if we aren't saying it out loud ourselves. That level

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Speaker 3: or that lack of condemnation has upset Helen Clark because

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Speaker 3: the air strikes are illegal under international law, and she's

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Speaker 3: right about that. But can anyone argue that the strikes

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Speaker 3: should not have happened, because let's consider the counterfactual. The

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Speaker 3: counterfactual is that the strikes didn't happen over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Ayatollahamany is still alive. He's continuing to kill tens of

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Speaker 3: thousands of Iranians for protesting, continues to fund Hamas to

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Speaker 3: attack Israel, continues to fund and support the Hooties to

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Speaker 3: cause trouble in the Middle East, continues to fund and

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Speaker 3: Continues to cause trouble as close to home as Australia,

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Speaker 3: where Iran apparently directed the fire bombing of a synagogue

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Speaker 3: in Melbourne just a few months ago. It is exactly

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Speaker 3: the same situation that the world found itself as with

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Speaker 3: Venezuela and the capturing of Maduro. Shouldn't have happened, broke

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Speaker 3: the rules, but no one said that someone did break

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Speaker 3: the rules and do the thing that needed to be done. Now,

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Speaker 3: obviously this doesn't mean that it's going to be a success.

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Speaker 3: Bombing a country to false regime change rarely works. What

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Speaker 3: comes next might be worse. The disruption to the Middle

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Speaker 3: East might be more than it's worth. But all of

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Speaker 3: those are unknowns at this stage. What is known at

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Speaker 3: this stage is that the Iranian regime was murdering its

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Speaker 3: own people, was disrupting the region, and was trying to

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Speaker 3: disrupt even further afield. So yes, what happened over the

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Speaker 3: weekend broke the rules, But tell me if you're upset

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Speaker 3: that that has been done all together?

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Speaker 2: Do for sea Islan.

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Speaker 3: Nine nine two is the text number. Standard text fees apply.

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Speaker 3: Now A food Stuff's merger is back on the table.

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Speaker 3: Possibly let's headed to the High Court today. The company's

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Speaker 3: appealing a twenty twenty four decision by the Commus Commission

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Speaker 3: that blocked its plan to join food Stuff's North Island

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Speaker 3: and food Stuff South Island under one roof. Sue Chetwyn

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Speaker 3: is the chair of the Gross Reyaction Group and with

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Speaker 3: us Hi Sue Hi, what's the basis for the appeal?

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Speaker 4: So what Varre saying is that the Commus Commission got

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Speaker 4: it wrong, that that there will be more efficiencies. If

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Speaker 4: merger should be allowed to proceed. Of course, the Grace

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Speaker 4: Reaction Group doesn't agree with that, and does agree with

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Speaker 4: the Commus Commission in that we think that allowing the

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Speaker 4: North and South merger basically just strengthens the duopoly and

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Speaker 4: makes it harder for suppliers. And that's what the Commuce

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Speaker 4: Commission was arguing that that sort of upstream suppliers would

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Speaker 4: At the moment, they've got the North Island and the

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Speaker 3: And wool West.

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Speaker 4: But if you merge to the North and South Island

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how much what proportion do you reckon of? I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is even possible to quantify,

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Speaker 4: Look, you know, the Commis Commission has done sort of

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Speaker 4: down to the fact that we don't really have enough competition.

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Speaker 4: We have two players who control eighty percent of the market.

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Speaker 3: Did you see the news over the weekend that Tesco

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Speaker 4: Yes, and they're not the only ones. The government's been

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Speaker 4: that did happen, But failing that, what would be I

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Speaker 4: guess the next best thing, or even the best thing,

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Speaker 5: Have a go.

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Speaker 3: Is this what it comes down to? Because it sounds

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Speaker 3: look at New Zealand. Is this what it's coming down to?

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Speaker 3: That we and I remember the last labor administration. I

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Speaker 4: Look, I think we do, and to give them they

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Speaker 4: have Sure surely if we're not seen as being competitive here,

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Speaker 3: But surely if I mean, these are global players, right,

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Speaker 3: they'll have read the news. They'll have looked at it

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Speaker 3: need more supermarket players. Let's have a look at it.

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Speaker 3: And surely they're all having a look and going, nah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think that's exactly what the situation is. Whether

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Speaker 4: and that's why we think, you know that the only

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Speaker 4: some of the shops now you know, break up New

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Speaker 3: Say, really, I mean, you don't think that we could

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Speaker 4: Lockevar doing that? You know that for any international player

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you're saying, unless Nikola Willis has the cahorne

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Speaker 3: is to actually break up these these big businesses, nothing's

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 3: I would say that that is exactly the case.

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Speaker 4: We could hope and pray for a big international player,

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Speaker 4: but they've all had the opportunity and they've all said

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Speaker 3: Good stuff. So it's good to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much, Sue Chetwin, Grocery Action Group chair.

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Speaker 3: The breaking the rules against someone who breaks the rules

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Speaker 3: as fined by me and nuclear threat is history now,

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Speaker 3: not quite. I mean it's a fair bit more bombing

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Speaker 3: if Donald Trump's in it for that, But what about

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Speaker 3: the cheek of this right? So, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you were aware of it, but the Australians kicked out

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Speaker 3: their ambassadors to Iran or told them to get rid

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Speaker 3: of himself last year. Our one, though was still in situ.

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Speaker 3: The Iranian ambassador to New Zealand has given an interview

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Speaker 3: He said his name as Resin as a Hai. He

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Speaker 3: United Nations Charter. There's no doubt about it. It deserves

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Speaker 3: a very clear type of condemnation, which I think is

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Speaker 3: extremely cheeky coming from a guy who supports a represent

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Speaker 3: a rangi that has just spent the last few months

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Speaker 3: Daniel hilias he do right?

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Speaker 7: Everything? Just about twenty two under across the four rounds

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Speaker 7: in seventy two holes of golf. He only had four

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Speaker 7: championship winning golf. The conditions were different across the four days.

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Speaker 7: There was a day when it was howling and the

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Speaker 7: a week after he got married, and afterwards he even said, look,

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Speaker 7: this is the second best day of my life. The

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Speaker 7: best one was, of course a week ago when we

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Speaker 7: tied the knots. So well done to Daniel Hillia.

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Speaker 3: Well done to understanding the rules of marriage indeed, because

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're going to get more drunk after

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Speaker 3: this win than you are on your wedding day. And

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Speaker 3: career wise, does this change anything for him?

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Speaker 7: Well, good for me. He's on the dp World Tour,

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Speaker 7: which is the European Tour. He only narrowly missed out

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Speaker 7: is you know, it's not the start of anything. He's

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Speaker 7: been a good goal for a while. But it's another

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Speaker 7: box ticked and another really really good tournament for Daniel.

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Speaker 7: I think you'll see him on the PGA Tour in

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Speaker 3: Okay, So was it something of a surprise to see

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Speaker 3: the Crusaders win at the weekend, wasn't it it?

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Speaker 3: the Crusaders beat the Chiefs. That was unusual, The Reds

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Speaker 3: That was unusual. Now what have I been moaning about.

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Speaker 1: For twenty two, the headlines and the hard questions, it's

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Speaker 2: To prime ministers with US Iran is legal.

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Speaker 9: Well, ultimately that's up to the Americans and the Israelis

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Speaker 2: Do you endorse the attacks?

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Speaker 9: Well, do I understand why they're doing it, And ultimately

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Speaker 1: The name you druft to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 3: Four twenty five. Chris Luxen is just holding his post

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Speaker 9: Legitimacy of a government rests on the support of its people.

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Speaker 3: Whether that is what happens next is a gigantic question.

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Speaker 9: Will you do that again? That has been a process,

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Speaker 3: That is obviously the Revolutionary Guard. So anyway, Barrissopa is

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Speaker 1: News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Please don't got part listen.

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Speaker 3: After five o'clock we're going to talk to Perry Wilton,

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Speaker 3: Was supposed to be coming back to New Zealand for

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Speaker 3: there shortly. That's after five. No surprise if you've been

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Speaker 3: waiting for what's going on with the oil prices. Oil

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Speaker 3: prices are up. Brent crude is up five percent. It's

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Speaker 3: It had briefly gone up even higher, but then calm

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Speaker 3: Please don't talk about rugby Janus. That's fair. That is fair.

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Speaker 3: This is from Phil to counter the advice you got before.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 3: Israel has launched a series of attacks on Lebanon. It's

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Speaker 14: Reward projectiles that clearly had no potential effect on the

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is called on Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard, called

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Speaker 5: They are the world's number one stage sponsor of terror.

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Speaker 10: We are the world's greatest and most powerful nations.

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Speaker 2: So we can do something about what they do. Now.

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Speaker 3: Iran has made retaliatory attacks on the Gulf States. As

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Speaker 15: The basis of our decision is the collective self defense

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Speaker 3: And finally, how then to explain so The hearts and

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Speaker 3: social media trend and is called reparenting your parents. The

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 3: Sam Emory, Australia correspondents with US Hi. Sam, good Day,

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Speaker 3: I have it right, Give me a rundown of Australia's response.

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Speaker 16: rallies in Sydney, Melbourne, outside the former embassy in Canberra,

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Speaker 16: with people reportedly dancing and spraying champagne. Meanwhile, there have

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Speaker 16: been some anti war protests taking place as well, and

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Speaker 16: just quickly on the petrol prices. The n ROME spokesperson

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Speaker 16: is in question time right now as we speak and

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Speaker 16: he said the expectation is around ten percent initially on

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Speaker 16: the oil prices. I think we've already seen that happen

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Speaker 16: in some places now.

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Speaker 3: I mean this is somewhat overshadowing of you see, Angus

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Speaker 3: Taylor's first week is the opposition leader, but has gone

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Speaker 3: for him.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, whether or not he likes the distraction, it's certainly

448
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Speaker 16: probably just turned up the heat for him that he's

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Speaker 16: the new opposition leaders. The first week for him walking

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Speaker 16: in as question time as the leader and the coalition

451
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Speaker 16: is still unsteady. He's essentially pulling a party back together.

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Speaker 16: It was very much in tatters after the last election

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Speaker 16: and even more so since Susan Lee took over. In

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Speaker 16: a media conference that just ended recently, Angus Taylor told

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Speaker 16: a packed media scrump that he welcomes the action taken

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Speaker 16: against Iran. This is his first big moment as the

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Speaker 16: opposition leader. He added that they stand ready to provide

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Speaker 16: whatever support alongside with the government to make sure that

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Speaker 16: this is a successful regime change and no one that

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Speaker 16: can see the freedom from tyranny of the Iranian peoples.

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Speaker 16: So no mention of nuclear power. They're heather interesting that

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Speaker 16: he used quite some language to what the PM has

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Speaker 16: used so far with him as leader of the opposition.

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Speaker 16: It's been a positive thing for the coalition. They've seen

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Speaker 16: them jump up two points, but they're still trailing way

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Speaker 16: behind Labor. And also the surprise one obviously is One

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Speaker 16: Nation and that will also be another one that Angus

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Speaker 16: Taylor and the government will have to deal with this

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Speaker 16: week with a censure motion against Pauline Hansen, the leader

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Speaker 16: of One Nation, for her comment recently about there being

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Speaker 16: no good Muslims the Matilda's.

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Speaker 3: Now they're supposed to be playing around, aren't they. What

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Speaker 3: was it on Thursday? Is that still going to happen?

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Speaker 2: That's right?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it's one of those difficult things, isn't I had

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Speaker 16: it with sport and politics when you don't really want

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Speaker 16: them to combine. But this is hard to get away

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Speaker 16: with that playing this Thursday. Australia kicked it off with

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Speaker 16: the one Neil win against the Philippines last night, but

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Speaker 16: there's already been a couple of Iranian players who have

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Speaker 16: pulled out, saying that it just doesn't feel right. And

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Speaker 16: then there was also a press conference today around Coach

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Speaker 16: was asked about the Supreme leaders death. He responded in Farsi,

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Speaker 16: but before he could even get through it or a

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Speaker 16: media official cut the translation off and cut the sound

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Speaker 16: to the to the actual interview. So interesting to see

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Speaker 16: what he has said there. But yeah, interesting to see

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Speaker 16: if it still goes ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Sam, thank you very much for that. Look after yourself,

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Speaker 3: Sam Emory, Australia correspondent. Hither we're at the stage where

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Speaker 3: we need a bit of reparenting from time to time.

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Speaker 3: Our fourteen year old grand daughter just referred to us

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Speaker 3: as typical old people with technology yesterday. We're not even

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Speaker 3: really that old. Very grateful to have wonderful family supporting

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Speaker 3: our easing our old person confusion. Do you know, don't

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Speaker 3: feel bad about it. I'm forty one. I'm forty one,

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Speaker 3: and I just I've given into it already. I just go,

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Speaker 3: do you know what? I don't need to learn that.

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Speaker 3: I just go to Sam, Sam the product, how old Sam?

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Speaker 3: And twenty four twenty three?

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Speaker 8: So I just I just I'm going to guess twenty five.

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Speaker 8: We'll find out for the.

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Speaker 3: Next break Hey, you're not. You're he You're gonna accute.

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Speaker 3: He's going to hate you for thinking he's older than

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Speaker 3: he is because he's very beautiful and young. Anyway, I

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Speaker 3: just outsourced everything to him. So I just got I

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Speaker 3: don't know how that works. Can you make the TikTok

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Speaker 3: with me? I don't feel like I need to prove myself,

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Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like by learning absolutely

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Speaker 3: everything in the world. So some of the things is

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Speaker 3: okay not to learn and have the young people do

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Speaker 3: for you. It's called outsourcing. Lean into it.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you shortly why well, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: needt somebody else to tell you why chewing gum is

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Speaker 3: a really bad idea idea for you. So stand by.

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Speaker 3: That's quarter past five right now, it's thirteen away from

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Speaker 3: five and Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Barry, good afternoon. It does outsourcing include computers?

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Speaker 3: No, enough said?

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Speaker 10: Okay, fine, let's move.

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Speaker 3: On, Barry. Honestly, if people could understand that you and

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Speaker 3: computers is like a verbal like the abuse that that

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Speaker 3: computer suffers at your hands. Verbally, I had.

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Speaker 10: To bring in the experts in our company two weeks,

527
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Speaker 10: starring on for two weeks. They couldn't figure it out.

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Speaker 10: So they went and got a new computer which I'm

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Speaker 10: now operating.

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Speaker 3: But also complained about it.

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Speaker 10: It wasn't download.

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Speaker 3: The first of us had to listen to it for

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Speaker 3: two weeks. The outsourced with grace in silence. Now the

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Speaker 3: Israel US attack on Iran has gone down? How well?

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Speaker 10: You know, assion if you look at the arguments, and

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Speaker 10: I can see them both ways. One is the intellectual

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Speaker 10: argument that the UN did not agree with the invasion

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Speaker 10: and or the bombing, and in fact that's true. But

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Speaker 10: and even the premise that Donald Trump made was not

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Speaker 10: a correct resolution anyway, they went under imminent threat from

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Speaker 10: Iran and on the nuclear wish weapon issue. If you

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Speaker 10: believed Donald Trump, he said after their last bombing in

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Speaker 10: Iran that they had knocked out their nuclear capability. So

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Speaker 10: where that stands, Goodness only knows. But look, even though

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Speaker 10: New Zealand didn't directly support the attack, the Prime Minister

546
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Speaker 10: insisted at this news conference its afternoon that they're not

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Speaker 10: far apart from the Australians or the Canadians.

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Speaker 9: The US and Israel have their own deep intelligence, deep

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Speaker 9: information networks. I would imagine in this region. We are

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Speaker 9: not central to this region. We're a long long way

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Speaker 9: away from it. They have made an assessment based off

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Speaker 9: the information intelligence that they must have about the legal

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Speaker 9: basis for this attack, but also about the rationale for

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Speaker 9: doing this attack. All I can say is in zooming

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Speaker 9: out is that as New Zealand, we've had a long

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Speaker 9: standing commitment under successive governments that any actions that stops

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Speaker 9: around from getting a nuclear weapon is a good thing.

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Speaker 9: Any actions that take are to stop them from sponsoring

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Speaker 9: terrorism is a good thing. Any actions that stops them

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Speaker 9: from killing their own people is a good thing. This

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Speaker 9: is not a good regime and that has been a

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Speaker 9: long standing position of New Zealand governments under different administrations.

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Speaker 10: So it's certainly been condemned what our own has been

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Speaker 10: up to you. But look, I listened to today and

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Speaker 10: I found them really interesting. There were a couple of

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Speaker 10: views from the USC experts. The first one came from

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Speaker 10: the youngest Republican Senator, Tim Sheehy from Montana, who, as

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Speaker 10: a return serviceman, served in the Middle East. Haven't listen

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Speaker 10: to what he had.

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Speaker 17: Iran has been destabilizing the readings for forty six years.

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Speaker 17: So to say that to take them out is going

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Speaker 17: to destabilize the region, I think is a little bit backwards.

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Speaker 17: Their very presence and they're very continued action has been destabilized,

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Speaker 17: and of course there's going to be hopefully not much

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Speaker 17: longer a few days, a couple of weeks of more action.

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Speaker 17: We're going to have to wear that risk, as are they,

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Speaker 17: and we've got to finish the job we started. This

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Speaker 17: is good for America, it's good for the free world.

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Speaker 17: They do not care what administration is in the White House.

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Speaker 17: They're going to kill Americans one way or the other.

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Speaker 17: They're going to take us hostage. They're going to murder

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Speaker 17: our citizens and our allies.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, he did tours of duty in Iraq, Afghanistan and

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Speaker 10: the likes, But look, finishing the job. I think, if

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Speaker 10: you listen to the next person, will be much harder

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Speaker 10: than just killing the supreme leader. If you listen to

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Speaker 10: a world expert on Iran, Professor vally Nessa from John

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Speaker 10: Hopkins University, do you ever listen to this?

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Speaker 18: Iran is today functioning on the basis of a deep state,

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Speaker 18: a set of bureaucrats, statesmen, clerics, and revolutionary guard commanders

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Speaker 18: and military commanders who are running the system collectively based

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Speaker 18: on the network of authority and power that they have

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Speaker 18: independent of the Supreme Leader. They got their guidance from him,

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Speaker 18: but the day to day running of the country was

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Speaker 18: not done by the Supreme Leader is done by this

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Speaker 18: deep state.

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Speaker 10: So really interesting that to me that you may have

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Speaker 10: taken out the leader and they say forty eight members

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Speaker 10: of leadership, but it's going to take some time.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean because if you think about it, the

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Speaker 3: guy was eighty six, right, so they will have prepared

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Speaker 3: for some kind of transition of power because he might

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Speaker 3: have just not woken up one morning. So it's not

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Speaker 3: as if this is a total shock that he's dead. No,

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Speaker 3: really quickly, because they don't have a huge amount of time.

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Speaker 3: But the change is the key. We say, do you

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Speaker 3: like this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 10: I think it's realistic. I mean when you look at

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Speaker 10: people who have never owned a home yet they live

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Speaker 10: in say company defense diplomatic homes that are supplied by

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Speaker 10: their employers. Yeah, this will allow them to draw down

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Speaker 10: on key we savor for their first time. And I

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Speaker 10: think it's high time that was made law and it's going.

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Speaker 3: To be Yeah, totally, Barry, thank you very much. Good

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Speaker 3: luck with the computer tomorrow and good luck to the

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Speaker 3: rest of us very so for senior political correspondent. Eight

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Speaker 3: away from five, this.

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Speaker 2: Is news talks. There'd be breaking news.

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Speaker 3: And breaking news. Charges have been laid in the court

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Speaker 3: martial of New Zealand over the loss of the navy

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Speaker 3: vessel HMN z s Manawinui off Sarmour in October twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four. This is the one that sank. Three naval

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Speaker 3: officers have now been charged with offenses, including one facing

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Speaker 3: a charge of negligently causing a ship to be lost.

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Speaker 3: You don't need me to tell you that is a

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Speaker 3: pretty serious charge to be laid. Four away from five.

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Speaker 3: The way Sam was mentioning earlier, Sam Emory, the Sky

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Speaker 3: News presenter Rita Panahi and her editorial on Iran. This

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Speaker 3: is her message to the Supreme Leader.

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Speaker 19: I want to conclude this editorial with this message to

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Speaker 19: the late Supreme Leader. Hidas sag hakpas sadded vessus to Jahanna.

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Speaker 20: Broan couldn't have put it better myself.

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Speaker 3: For translates to you, son of a bitch. Shame on

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Speaker 3: you burn and how so no question about how the

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Speaker 3: Iranians are feeling about the taking out of that that

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Speaker 3: particular bad guy. Anyway, obviously this is the news of

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Speaker 3: the day. So we will be kicking off the five

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Speaker 3: o'clock hour shortly with Perry Wilton, who is a New

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Speaker 3: Zealander based in Qatar. Give us a rundown of what

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Speaker 3: is happening there, all the retaliate retaliatory strikes and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: Al galespi Waikatul University law professor is going to talk

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Speaker 3: us through after half past five basically has what the

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Speaker 3: implications are for the rule of law right, the rules

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Speaker 3: based order. Here's a text on it here that there's

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Speaker 3: no such thing as international law. There are treaties in agreements,

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Speaker 3: but not law. There is no global sovereign legislative mechanism.

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Speaker 3: Helen Clark should know this. WAB chat about that later

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Speaker 3: on because I think this is a reasonably significant part

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Speaker 3: of it. Tell you what over the weekend, just really quickly,

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Speaker 3: I've got a text from a friend who's on a

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Speaker 3: reasonable coin, absolutely raging, raging. I mean, look, it could

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Speaker 3: be the perimenopause, but raging at the company power profits

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Speaker 3: because they went up twelve percent last year. Consumer New

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Speaker 3: Zealand reckons they're going to go out five percent this year,

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Speaker 3: and of course they've just made had a bump of

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Speaker 3: profit season, but upgo the prices consistently. Obviously majority shareholder

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Speaker 3: and the Gen Taylors the listed ones is the government.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to talk to Nichola Williss about what

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Speaker 3: she's going to do about it, if anything. After six

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Speaker 3: News is next pressing.

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Speaker 2: The newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicyl and Drive with One New Zealand to

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Speaker 1: coverage like no one else News doorgs Heavy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. So the latest on the Iranian air strikes is

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Speaker 3: that the conflict has now widened. Israel and Lebanon are

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Speaker 3: exchanging fire, oil prices are up, and Donald Trump says

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Speaker 3: that he expects the war with Iran, which is dubbed

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Speaker 3: Epic Fury, to last four weeks. Perry Wilton is a

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Speaker 3: New Zealand based journalist who is based in Doha and

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Speaker 3: with US Now. Hi Perry, Hi, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you mate. What's the sentiment in Doha,

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Speaker 3: in the Middle the wider Middle East about this?

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Speaker 21: Well, I think as each day kind of grinds on,

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Speaker 21: this uncertainty deepens, you kind of have this feeling, you know,

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Speaker 21: that that Iran's retaliatory strikes after the US and Israel

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Speaker 21: hit their capital really hard, have been wild. They haven't

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Speaker 21: been particularly focused going into this. Iran had said that

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Speaker 21: they were going to be targeting mostly, you know, US bases,

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Speaker 21: US assets in the region, and there are assets in

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Speaker 21: a bunch of these gold countries surrounding Iran, and so

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Speaker 21: people were expecting most of those strikes to be targeting

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Speaker 21: US air bases, maybe US military infrastructure. But what you've

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Speaker 21: what we've actually got is pretty sporadic waves of strikes

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Speaker 21: from around that We've seen hit pretty much everything from

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Speaker 21: US military bases to residential apartment buildings. Qight Airport has

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Speaker 21: been really badly damaged. So I think people here want

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Speaker 21: this to end and want this this uncertainty of what's

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Speaker 21: going to happen next, when the next strike is going

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Speaker 21: to hit, to close up. But yeah, as you said,

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Speaker 21: we're seeing this grow in its breadth pretty pretty quickly.

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Speaker 21: I think Around has just hit Europe for the first time.

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Speaker 21: They've hit military assets, US military assets in Cyprus, so

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Speaker 21: there was this feeling initially that maybe this would be

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Speaker 21: a quick job, that the US would would go in

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Speaker 21: Venezuela style, try and take out the head and then

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Speaker 21: move on. But we've seen essentially as every hour goes by,

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Speaker 21: more people get involved, more Iranian allies. We've seen his

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Speaker 21: Bala now firing into Israel and Israel firing back, as

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Speaker 21: he said, into Lebanon. So I think people here are

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Speaker 21: feeling not particularly optimistic that this is going to wrap

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Speaker 21: up as fast as some people had said it might.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they've obviously tried to take out the head,

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Speaker 3: and they have, and they seem to have taken out

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Speaker 3: about forty of the heads. But how far do they

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Speaker 3: have to go down, Like, how many people do they

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Speaker 3: have tonwke at the top in order to have this

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Speaker 3: regime collapse realistically?

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Speaker 21: Well, I think it's fair to say that the Iranian

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Speaker 21: regime has been designed to do one thing, and that's

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Speaker 21: to keep itself in power. And it's done that through

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Speaker 21: creating the sprawling, deeply complex web of committees and councils

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Speaker 21: across Iran. The country has about ninety million people, and

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Speaker 21: to control that, you know, size of a country without

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Speaker 21: its leader. The system has kind of this backup or

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Speaker 21: this kind of temporary leadership council. So you know, the

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Speaker 21: second that Iatola was taken out, so to speak, we

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Speaker 21: saw this council that's made up of the president that's

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Speaker 21: Posesskian and the head of the Judiciary and others kind

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Speaker 21: of take over and handle daily affairs. And there are

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Speaker 21: all sorts of these other councils. Is this one called

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Speaker 21: the Assembly of Experts is it's got like eighty eight

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Speaker 21: members and that's been appointed a job to name a successor,

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Speaker 21: you know, as soon as possible. And they're in a

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Speaker 21: variety of areas across Iran. It's not all just in

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Speaker 21: one place. And so that's the that's the main question.

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Speaker 21: How far does the US want to go? How far

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Speaker 21: would it consider pushing these strikes to get to whatever

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Speaker 21: it would call a success. One could argue for you

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Speaker 21: know a lot of bodies being required to really take

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Speaker 21: out the so called regime, But I can't imagine, I

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Speaker 21: can't imagine what that might look like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Perry, listen, thank you, I appreciated, and good luck

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Speaker 3: getting out of the country. Periri Wilton, journalists based in Katar,

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Speaker 3: who needs to get back to New Zealand for a

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Speaker 3: wedding this weekend, but of course can't fly out just

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Speaker 3: at the minute.

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Speaker 2: Five twelve ever, duples Ellen.

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Speaker 3: A last minute change to the RMA bill spells good

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Speaker 3: news for developers but bad news for environmentalists. So the

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Speaker 3: provision that's been discovered would allow local councils to approve

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Speaker 3: the telling of native or protected species, which is usually

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Speaker 3: the job of Doc Chris Bishop is the minister in

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Speaker 3: charge of this RMA reforming with us now, Hi Bush

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Speaker 3: good astern So why did you want to take it

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Speaker 3: away from dock and give it to the councils.

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Speaker 6: It's largely about the overlap, right, So you know, the

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Speaker 6: Wildlife Act is the thing that governs the management of

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Speaker 6: BirdLife and wildlife and that is essentially an environmental function

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Speaker 6: which we think should be bested out with under the

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Speaker 6: Resource Management app We don't think it makes sense to

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Speaker 6: have two regimes. And you know councils, regional councils in

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Speaker 6: particularly when it comes to the environment, they are the

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Speaker 6: administrator of environmental management within their areas. So this is

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Speaker 6: just about reducing red tape and regulatory overlap.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, why are you going soft on the scene

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Speaker 3: because I see you saying, oh, look, it's just a

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Speaker 3: placeholder thing. It's not cemented in why go soft.

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Speaker 6: Oh, it's because we've still got to do the policy work.

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Speaker 6: So what happened is, as we were doing the RMA,

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Speaker 6: which is like eight hundred pages, right, we worked out

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Speaker 6: quite late in the piece that we think it would

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Speaker 6: be sensible to put the Wildlife Act approvals, which have

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Speaker 6: been a nightmare to Just bear in mind, the Wildlife

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Speaker 6: fact dates all the way back to nineteen fifty three,

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Speaker 6: so it's like eighty years out of date. So we

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Speaker 6: decided quite late in the process, look, let's just tuck

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Speaker 6: this into the new banning system and new Natural Environment system.

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Speaker 6: But we haven't actually fully fleshed out the policy work

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Speaker 6: on it. So we've put it on the bill and

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Speaker 6: that works underway now, and you know we'll be doing

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Speaker 6: that through the Select committee process and then the rest

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Speaker 6: of the parliamentary process. So no conspiracy here. We've just

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Speaker 6: got to you know, this is about making sure that

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Speaker 6: you know, we've got a streamline process for the approval

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Speaker 6: of these sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: You've got a problem, by the way, on another subject,

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Speaker 3: you've got a problem with counsels holding up kying or

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Speaker 3: order bils.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a massive issue. It's been quite interesting just

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Speaker 6: over the last months or so. I've had some advice

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Speaker 6: from I've had some advice from Coying or Aora for example,

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Speaker 6: that they're now facing quite big consenting problems out there

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Speaker 6: with councils. Let me read you out some of these

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Speaker 6: things that councils have objected to from Cying a aeria

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Speaker 6: which was a social housing development, for example. Here's one.

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Speaker 2: This is in Auckland.

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Speaker 6: The council requested Kyl or a show how people will

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Speaker 6: know where the units are by using signs on the property.

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Speaker 6: So that's a request for information that went back to

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Speaker 6: Kyl Aora and stopped the clock on the twenty working

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Speaker 6: day for the consents we've got. This is in Hamilton.

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Speaker 6: Council has a requirement to include ev charging stations or

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Speaker 6: other eco friendly features on the property to meet the

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Speaker 6: requirements of the new district plan. Here's because of the

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Speaker 6: classic one. Council requested to use different colors in the

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Speaker 6: landscaping plan because the color of the grass and the

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Speaker 6: concrete look too similar. These are all objections that councils

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Speaker 6: have made to kind of aura development. This is social housing, right,

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Speaker 6: this is housing for people in need, and you know

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Speaker 6: they got.

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Speaker 3: Not fair enough. I can understand your frustration, but is

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Speaker 3: this council's basically trying to stop KO builds popping up

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Speaker 3: in the middle of their cities and their towns. Is

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Speaker 3: this what they're doing that frustrating it?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 6: But they do this to private developers too, right, So

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Speaker 6: this is just because yep, absolutely, and I've got not

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Speaker 6: multiple complaints from private developers too. It's just come across

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Speaker 6: my desk because basically Kim always said to me Locke,

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Speaker 6: we're having real problems with consenter and councils of giving

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Speaker 6: us a giving us a nightmare. And I said, okay,

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Speaker 6: we'll give me some exa. I said, okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 6: but give me some examples. So they've given me this

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Speaker 6: list of examples, and you know, it completely a course

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Speaker 6: with what I hear from people out there trying to

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Speaker 6: do private developments as well. This is a shocker. This

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Speaker 6: is another reason why we need to change the RMA,

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Speaker 6: that this stuff is legal and it's stopping development.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: It's selfish. Thank you very much appreciated. Chris Biship, The

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Speaker 3: Minister for RMA Reform. I actually have. I've got some

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Speaker 3: of these examples. I'll read them to you. I'll do

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Speaker 3: it in this next half hour. A. I'll do it

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duplicl and

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand coverage.

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Speaker 2: Like no one else news talks the'd.

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Speaker 3: Be nineteen past five hither. I'm a large developer in Hamilton,

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Speaker 3: and I can tell you all of those examples that

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Speaker 3: Chris Bishop used. We get all of the time, and

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Speaker 3: always on the nineteenth day of consenting. Nineteenth day is

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Speaker 3: very important because at nineteen you start the clock, don't you,

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Speaker 3: and then you start the clock on twenty days. Anyway

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Speaker 3: you go, here's a list of examples for you. Council

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Speaker 3: requested using a different color for the building because they

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Speaker 3: did not like the proposed look, so that's a thing.

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Speaker 3: Council also requested that the exterior heat pump units should

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Speaker 3: be hidden from view. Council have requested that Kayinger Order

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Speaker 3: choose a different color for the pipes on the building

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Speaker 3: as these are too prominent against the building color. Council's

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Speaker 3: got a lot of thoughts on colors, yet, doesn't it

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Speaker 3: council counsel might want to go and think about a

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Speaker 3: job in interior or exterior designing given all of their

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Speaker 3: thoughts on colors. There's more where that came from. Standby,

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Speaker 3: full of microplastics. Most commercial gum has a base ingredient

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Speaker 3: that sometimes contains plastic polymers. One assie researcher said he

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Speaker 3: wouldn't even let his kids chew it. That researcher is

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Speaker 3: Brian Oliver from the University of Technology in Sydney and.

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Speaker 2: Is with us.

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Speaker 8: Hi, Brian, Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. How bad is it? I mean,

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Speaker 3: like I can tolerate a little bit of microplastic, but

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Speaker 3: is it just chocker full of it?

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Speaker 22: Well, look, there's lots of mitra particles of microplastic in it,

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Speaker 22: which in the form of little particles. But the truth

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Speaker 22: of the matter is we don't actually know how bad

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Speaker 22: it is, so I guess it's it's one of those

882
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Speaker 22: great unknowns as to what's what the risk would be

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Speaker 22: in the long term.

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Speaker 3: Is there are there any gum gum brands that are

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Speaker 3: worse than others.

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Speaker 22: From the research that's been done, there seems to be

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Speaker 22: a spectrum, and there's a bit of debate as to

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Speaker 22: where the natural gum and agent who are artificial gum

889
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Speaker 22: and agents are worse for you. But I think a

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Speaker 22: lot of it then comes down to actually how much

891
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Speaker 22: you chew it and then what happens when you chew,

892
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Speaker 22: So if you chew the gum and then you have

893
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Speaker 22: salive when you're swallow salive, but that's where the MITA

894
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Speaker 22: particles are being introduced, So probably to the individual, it's

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Speaker 22: quite variable as well.

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Speaker 3: If we don't know how bad it is, what are

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Speaker 3: we worried about?

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Speaker 22: I guess for me it's the unknown. So what we

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Speaker 22: know is that if we give microcratic called microplastics to

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Speaker 22: animals or we give them to cell culture models, it

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Speaker 22: always induces inflammation, and inflammation sort of the precursor to

902
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Speaker 22: a lot of chronic conditions, so diabetes, respiratory conditions. So

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Speaker 22: we know that the impetus is there. What we don't

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Speaker 22: know is actually how much inflammation and exactly how bad

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Speaker 22: so I'm pretty certain it's bad. I just don't know

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Speaker 22: how bad.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Thank you, Ryan are Run Oliver, professor

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Speaker 3: at the University of Technology in Sydney. Council requested to

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Speaker 3: use different colors in the landscaping plan because the color

910
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Speaker 3: of the grass and the concrete looked too similar. The

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Speaker 3: wastewater pipe runs through the neighbour's property. Council requested KO

912
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Speaker 3: to provide evidence that the neighbor will approve this access.

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Speaker 3: Councils being a pain five two cutting through.

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Speaker 2: The noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: It's heather duplicl and drive with one New Zealand coverage

916
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Speaker 1: like no one else news dogs.

917
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Speaker 2: They'd be right.

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Speaker 3: The huddle is going to be there shortly. It's five

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Speaker 3: twenty five. Let's quickly talk about these Iranian strikes. I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you what worries me more. It's not the breakdown

921
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Speaker 3: and the rules based order because Trump has conducted an

922
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Speaker 3: illegal air strike without the blessing of the UN. It's

923
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Speaker 3: what happens next. I mean, this argument about the rules

924
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Speaker 3: based order breaking down is not I think as scary

925
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Speaker 3: or as effective as it may have been three four,

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Speaker 3: twelve years ago, because in that time We've seen what

927
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Speaker 3: little help these rules are for people. Putner next, crime

928
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Speaker 3: here got away with it, invaded Ukraine, got away with it,

929
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Speaker 3: is still getting away with it. Then harmas attacks on

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Speaker 3: Israel happens. Nit Yahoo responds that conflict carries on and

931
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Speaker 3: kills children unstopped for years. There is a generation of

932
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Speaker 3: young people right now who saw that happen, many of

933
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Speaker 3: whom will have no confidence in the rules based order,

934
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Speaker 3: and who will agree with older generations that the Security

935
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Speaker 3: Council veto power is a structural problem and that without

936
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Speaker 3: reform nothing can work. And who will agree with Canada's

937
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Speaker 3: Mark Karney that the old rules based system has broken

938
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Speaker 3: down already and you shouldn't warn it. So countering Trump's

939
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Speaker 3: action over the weekend with that argument is going to

940
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Speaker 3: convince very few people, I think. I think what is

941
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Speaker 3: more convincing and more worrying is what happens next, Not

942
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Speaker 3: just to Iran with the next lot who may take

943
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Speaker 3: over may in fact be worse, just like the Ayah

944
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Speaker 3: Tollas took over from the Shah and were worse, But

945
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Speaker 3: what happens next to the Middle East with the bombs

946
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Speaker 3: hitting Dubai's International airport disrupting air travel through a global waypoint,

947
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Speaker 3: setting off Iran's proxies like Hisbulla and the Hooties. It

948
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Speaker 3: can cause their own versions of trouble and regularly do.

949
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Speaker 3: But then also for the wider world with inflation and war,

950
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Speaker 3: nothing to celebrate for us and completely disruptive. Even if

951
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Speaker 3: you support these strikes, the idea that Trump has started

952
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Speaker 3: a chain reaction that he can't control or hasn't thought

953
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Speaker 3: through properly is more worrying than the breakdown of a

954
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Speaker 3: rules based order that very few of us still believe in.

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Speaker 2: Heather do for see Allen el Gilles.

956
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Speaker 3: Beyond that, he probably is going to disagree with me.

957
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Speaker 3: We'll chat to him after the news. Heither will you cover?

958
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Speaker 3: The Screen Actors Guild Awards some big surprises, including Timmy

959
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Speaker 3: Shalla May losing Best Actor to Michael B. Jordan and

960
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Speaker 3: Amy Madigan picking up Best Supporting Actress for Weapons they

961
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Speaker 3: are on at the moment, I call the Actor Awards

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Now. They're important because they're the final

963
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Speaker 3: awards ceremony before the Oscars, which happens in a couple

964
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Speaker 3: of weeks. And they've done the thing with the Red carpet.

965
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Speaker 3: So far, the best dressed is Jesse Buckley, who's awesome,

966
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Speaker 3: and Gwyneth Paltrow and Demi Moore. Timmy Shalla May turned

967
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Speaker 3: up with his mum. It was it is, do you

968
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Speaker 3: know it restores It restores my faith in humanity to

969
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Speaker 3: see actors turn up with their mums. Because he is

970
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Speaker 3: just such a little hottie. He's got a little black

971
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Speaker 3: pants on as attle white tax. He's looking every bit

972
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Speaker 3: of the sex symbol. And then mum's standing next to him.

973
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Speaker 3: Like Karen who came from the Verbs, she hasn't even

974
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Speaker 3: ironed her pink frock. It's not an expensive pink frock

975
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Speaker 3: is probably fifty dollars from the local store. She's got

976
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Speaker 3: clunky nude shoes on. I mean she's got like pretty

977
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Speaker 3: face like she's got Obviously she does look at him,

978
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Speaker 3: but you know, like it's isn't it nice when actors

979
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Speaker 3: bring out their mums and you go, oh, they're just

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Speaker 3: normal humans. So yeah, I'll get you some more stuff

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Speaker 3: from that.

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Speaker 13: News is next, Hard Questions, Strong opinion, Heather Duplicy Ellen

983
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Speaker 13: Drive with One New Zealand and the power of satellite

984
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Speaker 13: mobile news.

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Speaker 2: Dogs'd be.

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Speaker 3: I would expect now that the Marsden Point Oil Refinery

987
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Speaker 3: might become a thing again, given that we are now

988
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Speaker 3: more exposed to oil shocks than ever before since Meghan

989
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Speaker 3: would shut that thing down four years ago. Because this

990
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Speaker 3: was what we were warned about when we shut it down,

991
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Speaker 3: was watch out if anything happens to the Strait of Homos,

992
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Speaker 3: because we get all our refined oil from Asia. Now

993
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Speaker 3: they are the largest buyers of oil from the Middle

994
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Speaker 3: East and it all comes through the Strait of Homos.

995
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Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Nicholawless about that after sixth huddle.

996
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Speaker 3: Standing by it's twenty four away from six now. There's

997
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Speaker 3: some debate about New Zealand's position on the US strikes

998
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Speaker 3: in Iran. It's been labeled to disgrace by former Prime

999
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Speaker 3: Minister Helen Clark because the official statement doesn't condemn the

1000
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Speaker 3: strikes outright, and Chris Lux and the Prime Minis there

1001
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Speaker 3: was reluctant to answer whether the United States acted illegally.

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Speaker 9: The US and Israelis obviously made independent attacks, so we

1003
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Speaker 9: weren't informed about those beforehand, or an advance or any

1004
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 9: of that stuff. You know, they may well have information

1005
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Speaker 9: that has informed the legal basis for those attacks.

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Speaker 3: Al Gillespie is a law professor at the University of

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Speaker 3: Waikato and of course an international law expert, and with

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Speaker 3: us hi Al, Hey, Heather, I mean it was illegal,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it?

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Speaker 5: And Dearie, Yeah, it's completely illegal. There's nothing in the

1011
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Speaker 5: u in Charter that says you can bomb someone who

1012
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Speaker 5: won't negotiate with you. You would need Security Council approval

1013
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 5: and that was not given him this instance. The exempt

1014
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Speaker 5: the exception to that as if it was a preemptive

1015
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 5: attack and it was an overwhelming necessity, and that cannot

1016
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Speaker 5: be seen in this instance either.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with Helen Clark that it was a

1018
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Speaker 3: disgrace that we didn't say that.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't. It's complicated at the moment because even though

1020
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Speaker 5: you've got a theory of international law, the practice is

1021
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Speaker 5: that international law is in a very difficult place. And

1022
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Speaker 5: most of our foreign policy right now is not about

1023
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 5: our hold an international law but not offending mister Trump.

1024
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Speaker 5: And so what may be theoretically correct and what's politically

1025
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Speaker 5: correct for two different things.

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Speaker 3: So would you, I mean, is this basically you agreeing

1027
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Speaker 3: that the rules based order has broken down?

1028
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Speaker 2: Oh?

1029
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 5: Completely? But it's not ever well in history, it comes

1030
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Speaker 5: and it goes. But I mean, you have to look

1031
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 5: at what's going on with say climate change right now,

1032
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Speaker 5: or trade law, or Russia in Ukraine and everywhere you're

1033
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 5: seeing a collapse or nuclear arms control. A lot of

1034
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Speaker 5: those rules that have kept stability and sustainability working are

1035
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Speaker 5: currently being highly questioned. Normally, what happens do you have

1036
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Speaker 5: a calamity and then we rebuild, But right now we're

1037
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Speaker 5: on the wrong side of the slope.

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Speaker 3: Now is what's your best prediction for what happens in

1039
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Speaker 3: the Middle East?

1040
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Speaker 5: Well, I think winning the air war and air power

1041
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 5: is simple, and I think that the technological superiority of

1042
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 5: America and Israel is easily superior, and they will defeat

1043
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 5: that part of the conflict within the next three or

1044
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 5: four weeks. Iran will run out of missiles or their

1045
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 5: launchers will just get taken out. That's the easy part.

1046
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 5: The hard part is the regime change that follows, because

1047
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Speaker 5: you can't do that without putting boots on the ground.

1048
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Speaker 5: The likelihood of those who still want to retain the

1049
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 5: power that the Aatola had, maybe twenty percent of the

1050
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Speaker 5: population fighting hard, is strong, and they will fight external

1051
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: enemies and internal enemies, and at that point you might

1052
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Speaker 5: get pulled into the conflict to stop the bloodshed of

1053
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Speaker 5: the civil war.

1054
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Speaker 3: Do you reckon he can wrap it up in four weeks.

1055
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Speaker 5: I think he can wrap up the airpower part. But

1056
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Speaker 5: the hard part is what happens next, because if you

1057
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Speaker 5: look at our recent precedent, whether you look at Afghanistan,

1058
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Speaker 5: look at Libya, you look at Syria, you look at Iraq,

1059
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 5: you've got four failures. And yet that's exactly where we're

1060
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Speaker 5: going right now, with the population which is double the

1061
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Speaker 5: size of nearly ninety million people.

1062
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Speaker 3: And so is there any chance that it is i mean,

1063
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Speaker 3: remains contained to Iran's borders or does it spill over?

1064
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Speaker 5: Well, the military conflict will stay within the region, I mean,

1065
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Speaker 5: the good news is that Russia in China will not

1066
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Speaker 5: come to the defense of Iran. But you may face

1067
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Speaker 5: a humanitarian catastrophe. If the problem for Europe is not

1068
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Speaker 5: the bloodshed with an Iran, it's the refugee searcher that follows.

1069
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Speaker 5: And Europe's quite right now, He's got no appetite for

1070
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Speaker 5: more people. But if the civil war breaks out, which

1071
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Speaker 5: is quite possible, and there's a lot of indebtor in

1072
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Speaker 5: that part of the world where other people want to

1073
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Speaker 5: settle scores, then the surge of people crossing the border

1074
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Speaker 5: could be excessive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll you make a very good point. Thank you

1076
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Speaker 3: very much. Good to talk to you as always, Al Gillespie.

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Speaker 3: Why couple university law professor, international law expert twenty away

1078
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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: On the huddle of this this evening we have Tris

1082
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Speaker 3: Sharson of Sheerson Willis pr and Joseph Beganni, the chief

1083
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Speaker 3: executive of Child Found. Hello you too, Hello Hello Trisian.

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Speaker 3: You were nodding your head all the way through. Al Gillespie.

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Speaker 23: Why because what has happened over the weekend is we

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Speaker 23: have seen these tensions between the US and Iran shift

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Speaker 23: from tensions in quotes to a full blown strategic risk.

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Speaker 23: Touched on some of this also in your editorial. The

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Speaker 23: question about whether this is legally right is an important one,

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Speaker 23: but that question has now gone. The question now is

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Speaker 23: how ugly does this get and how quickly does it

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Speaker 23: hit the world economy but also our markets.

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Speaker 24: Here.

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Speaker 23: So there's a couple of quick points. One, as Al

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Speaker 23: just pointed out, this is regime changed logic, and that's

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Speaker 23: where it gets expensive for the US because they do

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Speaker 23: not have runs on the board in the examples that

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Speaker 23: he just talked about. Even if you think that I

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Speaker 23: Ran is bad, the method matters. So, Okay, they've gone

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Speaker 23: in with the air strikes, but the deeply ingrained, deep

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Speaker 23: state of Iraq, it's not going to be taken out

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Speaker 23: by the air strikes. And then you've got this immediate

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Speaker 23: economic shock. So just think about the New Zealand government

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Speaker 23: in election year. They are going to have essentially a

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Speaker 23: whacking petrol tax that is not going to help their cause.

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Speaker 23: And I think where we're really fragile in New Zealand

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Speaker 23: is fuel prices. As we've said, supply chains and insurance

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Speaker 23: around shipping to get stuff here. We've got travel and

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Speaker 23: consular risk, we've got our foreign policy posture and risk. Again,

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Speaker 23: we're in luxin today. He's been forced into trying to

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Speaker 23: kind of ride two horses. And we've also got our

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Speaker 23: domestic resilience because we have a huge alliance on the

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Speaker 23: oil and we have a huge alliance on the shipping lanes.

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Speaker 23: Funnily enough, two weeks ago. This sounds weird, but I

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Speaker 23: had a guy wander up my driveway who was one

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Speaker 23: of the Golden Visa people coming here looking at New

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Speaker 23: Zealand's business. He's an energy expert and he said to me,

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Speaker 23: I cannot believe that New Zealand got rid of its

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Speaker 23: Marsden Point oil all right, way, I just mentioned that exactly.

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Speaker 23: That's what reminded me to say about this guy. He

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Speaker 23: just from an energy resilience perspective, it blew his mind

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Speaker 23: mind that we would leave ourselves that exposed.

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Speaker 3: Well, did you say to him it was Meghan Woods.

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Speaker 3: Many things that Megan Woods did would have blown your mind.

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Speaker 23: He also was not a fan of the aill And

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Speaker 23: Gas band, but by surprise. So this is a big

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Speaker 23: deal for the world, but it's a big deal from

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Speaker 23: for New Zealand. And let's remember the world's economy has

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Speaker 23: not recovered yet from the shocks of COVID.

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Speaker 25: Josie, Yeah, I think the international law that does matter,

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Speaker 25: and I'll tell you why. It's we've just signed a

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Speaker 25: trade deal with India. That's a good thing. That is

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Speaker 25: a piece of international law. Every time you get on

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Speaker 25: an aircraft. That's a piece of international law that the

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Speaker 25: plane lands and takes off in the right way. Your

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Speaker 25: passport is a piece of international law. So international law

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Speaker 25: does matter. And what you're seeing with the disregard for

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Speaker 25: borders and some of the things that you listed, Heather

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Speaker 25: were absolutely right. You know, u n has completely failed.

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Speaker 25: So the mechanisms of international law likely Yuanna failed to

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Speaker 25: stop a war in Ukraine, stop a war in Gaza.

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Speaker 25: But the implications of ignoring borders Trump has done with

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Speaker 25: Ukraine where he's gone, well that Russia wants a bit

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Speaker 25: of it, let them have it. Then you get this

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Speaker 25: metastasizing problem where you've got Pakistan and Afghanistan chucking bombs

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Speaker 25: at each other now because if one border doesn't matter,

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Speaker 25: none of them matter. Eritrea, Ethiopia and so on. So

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Speaker 25: you break international law and you do unleash some kind

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Speaker 25: of hell. And the thing that really depresses me is

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Speaker 25: that international law does have muscle if you let it.

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Speaker 25: So there's a piece of international law called responsibility to protect.

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Speaker 25: It came in after the Rwandan genocide. Now that piece

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Speaker 25: of legislation or that piece of international law could have

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Speaker 25: been used in Syria when they crossed the red line

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Speaker 25: and drop the government dropped chemical bombs on its citizens.

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Speaker 25: Could have gone in there to protect people citizens against

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Speaker 25: its own government. This could have been used. Responsibility to

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Speaker 25: protect could have been used when Jomeni and the Iotolas

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Speaker 25: were killing Uranian citizens only a few weeks ago. So

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Speaker 25: you know, there is international law mechanisms. Sometimes when it fails,

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Speaker 25: it's because you haven't got the guts and we haven't

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Speaker 25: got the guts to use those mechanisms. And the problem

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Speaker 25: with this is that Trump is not going into around

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Speaker 25: now to help those protests. I mean, I don't He's

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Speaker 25: not been clear why he's going in.

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Speaker 23: Well, I think the fundamental principle of international law and

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Speaker 23: certainly we're not claim to be an expert, but that's

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Speaker 23: worrying with Trump and Venezuela, Trump and Iran is actually

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Speaker 23: the recognition of sovereign states. And as soon as you

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Speaker 23: stop doesn't matter how bad you think that re regimers.

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Speaker 23: As soon as you cross the line, and sovereign states

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Speaker 23: are no longer sovereign states, everyone and everything is up

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Speaker 23: for grabs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point. All right, we'll take a

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Speaker 3: break that you guys come back shortly. Call to two the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only truly

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Speaker 1: global brand.

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Speaker 3: Right, we're back of the huddle, Joseph Ghani and Tricius.

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Speaker 3: And I should say, Joseph, you're and tongue at the moment,

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Speaker 3: aren't you.

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Speaker 25: I am in Tonga. Yeah, we've just got the tail

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Speaker 25: end of that cyclone that hit Vanuatu and Fiji. But

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Speaker 25: yes it's poor and pouring with rain and windy as hell,

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Speaker 25: but it's lovely to be And Thomas, I'm working.

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Speaker 3: Is it weird for you to sit in Tonga and

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Speaker 3: then answer questions about where the councils in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: should be able to sign off on the killing of

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Speaker 3: native beasts?

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Speaker 25: Almost as weird as it is to talk about bombing

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Speaker 25: and Iran, Although I have to say I've been in

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Speaker 25: a few cafes and that's all we've been talking about.

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Speaker 25: So yeah, the Pacific's used to being in the spotlight, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 25: so councils the problem with this, Look, who knows. I

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Speaker 25: don't know whether it should be dark or whether it

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Speaker 25: should be counsels. I do know though, that the sort

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Speaker 25: of pro the protectors, the sort of anti growths who

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Speaker 25: don't want anything built. They just go too far, you know,

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Speaker 25: they save every single spider and snail and fly and whatever,

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Speaker 25: so that in the end just nothing gets done. And

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Speaker 25: I do think this is quite a split politically, not

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Speaker 25: so much left and right, but pro growth and anti growth.

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Speaker 25: So you've got degrosss on both sides. Right on the right,

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Speaker 25: you've got people who hate housing intensification in Auckland and

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Speaker 25: the last who want to save every snail species that

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Speaker 25: ever existed. And also you've got pro development on both sides,

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Speaker 25: national and labors. So I do think it's quite It

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Speaker 25: could be quite an election issue, this kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 23: Well, I thought it was kind of funny. I was

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Speaker 23: actually laughing out loud, thinking that there's criticizing councils for

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Speaker 23: their ridiculous stuff about Coangora and what you can do

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Speaker 23: in that. But on the other hand he's saying, yeah,

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Speaker 23: but it's called let them predict the Kiwi. I mean,

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Speaker 23: it just struck me as ridiculous. I mean, I think Josie's.

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Speaker 3: Got to the heart of it.

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Speaker 23: This isn't a planning reform question. It's really a governance

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Speaker 23: question of who looks after this. My concern would of

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Speaker 23: this would be if you've got national species, i e.

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Speaker 23: The Kiwi, we should have national rules for their protection.

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Speaker 23: And if we get down to councils, we're going to

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Speaker 23: get are we going to get postcode conservation? And lord

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Speaker 23: knows councils aren't. You know, don't have a great track

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Speaker 23: record at the moment, So I do feel a bit

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Speaker 23: nervous about it. What I think may also happen, which

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Speaker 23: isn't great on the pro growth side, is you're actually

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Speaker 23: going to end up with more lets litigation, not less,

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Speaker 23: because there will be huge disputes over well, one council

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Speaker 23: allowed here, I'm not allowed to do it over here,

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Speaker 23: and so it might end up in more red tape

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Speaker 23: could well do you know?

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Speaker 25: The one point on this that I think that would

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Speaker 25: make it would make sense is why don't they Why

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Speaker 25: don't we just increase the predator free zones that we

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Speaker 25: have which actually work really well. We've got one on

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Speaker 25: cup of the Island. So if you expand those zones

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Speaker 25: and do what you were just saying, Trish, where you

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Speaker 25: go right, Kiwi matters. We've got to protect the Kiwi,

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Speaker 25: but not this sort of thing where dot can say

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Speaker 25: whatever insect or ant or whatever has to be protected

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Speaker 25: at this because the problem is you've got no consoleation

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Speaker 25: with the people who won't have those seven hundred jobs

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Speaker 25: that might have been created with a development project or something,

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Speaker 25: So you end up consulting with the people who, of

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Speaker 25: course are going to disagree with any development, rather than

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Speaker 25: people who will benefit from you.

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Speaker 3: True, right, do you choose chewing gum?

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Speaker 23: Trus I? As a kid, I loved chewing gum, juicy

1248
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Speaker 23: fruit and doublement. You know, you get the long strips.

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Speaker 23: I like the strip of gum in the foil, you know,

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Speaker 23: all those ones, those ones. But funnily enough, I don't

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Speaker 23: chew chewing gum anymore.

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Speaker 3: I grew out of it. I grew out of it.

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Speaker 23: But also because I don't like the thought of chewing

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Speaker 23: essentially a petroleum based yeah thing. I'm just not really

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Speaker 23: into that, So I.

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Speaker 3: Got out of it as well. Josie, it felt like

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Speaker 3: a natteralie, pointless exercise. There's no upside in chewing gum,

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Speaker 3: what about you?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 25: Yeah, me too. And I used to like the little

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Speaker 25: foil stuff, but now it's like chewing car tires. Apparent

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Speaker 25: it's the same sort of plastic. But also I look

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Speaker 25: at this and I go really like bonds are dropping.

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Speaker 25: There's always things happening in the world. You know, It's like,

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Speaker 25: for goodness sake, is it safe or not safe. If

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Speaker 25: it's not safe, regulate it and don't sell it.

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Speaker 3: Don't regulate it. God, you can really adult by yourself.

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Speaker 23: Can I just say? I think the bigger issue with

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Speaker 23: chewing gum these days is that, you know, there was

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Speaker 23: that old song to the chewing gum lose its flavor

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Speaker 23: on the bed post overnight. Well within about five six

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Speaker 23: now of putting in a piece of gum, it's gone so.

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Speaker 3: Fixed the flavor.

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Speaker 25: Its not like it was.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy Tongua, stay safe. Thank you very much for coming interest.

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Speaker 3: That's our heart of this evening. Seven away from six it's.

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Speaker 2: Heather.

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Speaker 3: While I agree Marsden Point Refinery should never have been shut.

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Speaker 3: It was a private business and at the end of

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Speaker 3: its life it was not shut by the labor idiots,

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Speaker 3: unlike the oil and gas exploration, I guess the argument is,

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Speaker 3: could we could the labour idiots not have kept it

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Speaker 3: alive though, right when it was going to be shut

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Speaker 3: by the private owners, and they've stepped in on this

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Speaker 3: is a strategic national asset. When to keep it alive?

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Speaker 3: Hither do you think that the war in Iran is

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Speaker 3: to try to restrict oil to China? I guess you

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Speaker 3: could say the same about Venezuela. Gary. I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: you asked. Yes, it is. Of course it is. I

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Speaker 3: think all roads lead to China on this one. You

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Speaker 3: can think that one through. Maybe we'll talk about it

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Speaker 3: at a later day because right now I need to

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Speaker 3: tell you about the Actor Awards. So this is what's happening. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Best Actor has gone to Michael B. Jordan's Sinners, which

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Speaker 3: is a surprise because everybody thought to me Chalameau was

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Speaker 3: going to win for Marty Supreme. Now it has been

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Speaker 3: pointed out to me that the nomin that the voting

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Speaker 3: closed on this four days after Michael B. Jordan was

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Speaker 3: called the N word at the last set of awards,

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Speaker 3: and so maybe this is a sympathy vote. So that's

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Speaker 3: possibly the I'm not saying I don't know. I haven't

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Speaker 3: watched Sinners, but I'm just pointing this out.

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Speaker 5: To You.

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Speaker 3: Best Actress has gone to My Girl, Jesse Buckley and

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Speaker 3: Hamnet She's the Best. Best Supporting Actor has gone to

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Speaker 3: Sean Penn won Battle after Another. Best Supporting Actress, Amy

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Speaker 3: Madigan in Weapons TV Winners The Pit has won. The

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Speaker 3: Best Drama our Best Comedy Series has gone to The Studio, Which,

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Speaker 3: be honest with you. I try to watch it. It

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Speaker 3: was rubbish. It was I felt like you got to

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Speaker 3: watch it on drugs and I'm not into that. Best

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Speaker 3: Actor in a Drama has gone to Know a While

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Speaker 3: of the Pit. Best Actress and Drama's gone to Kerry Russell.

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Speaker 3: My Girl in The Diplomat. You need to watch it

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Speaker 3: if you haven't. Best Actor in a comedy's gone to

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Speaker 3: Seth Rogan the Studio Give it a miss. Best Actress

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Speaker 3: in a comedy has gone to the late Katherine ahia

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Speaker 3: In O'Hara in the Studio. Best Actor in a Limited

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Speaker 3: Series has gone to Ohen Cooper The we One in Adolescence.

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Speaker 3: Best Actress in a Limited Series has gone to Michelle Williams.

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Speaker 3: Dying for Sex Now you know everything you need to

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Speaker 3: know about that, and we'll talk to Nikola Willis next.

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Speaker 3: News Talks b.

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Speaker 2: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: For the business hour with the head of duper c

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Speaker 1: al and MAS Insurance and Investments.

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Speaker 2: Your future is in good hands, used talks b.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next our Shane Soley

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Speaker 3: will talk us through the market reaction to the Iranian strikes,

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Speaker 3: Brad Olsen on the financial implications for New Zealand and

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Speaker 3: then Gavin Bray on the UKPM doing a U turn

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Speaker 3: and now allowing the US to use their air bases

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Speaker 3: seven Parsxon with US now as Nikolaullus the Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: High Nikola Hi so officially does New Zealand support the

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Speaker 3: air strikes?

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Speaker 11: Well, the US and Israel have to make the case

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Speaker 11: for the legality of their strikes. They invoked self defense

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Speaker 11: under the UN Charter, and New Zealand simply isn't privy

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Speaker 11: to the information they have used to make that claim,

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Speaker 11: So we're not in a position right now to make

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Speaker 11: that accessibly.

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Speaker 3: So if it was, if it was a legal air

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Speaker 3: strike as opposed to an illegal one, we would support it.

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Speaker 11: Well, look, that's a hypothetical question when we're actually what

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Speaker 11: we're looking at is action that is underway, and our

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Speaker 11: position has been for a long time that Iran obtaining

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Speaker 11: a nuclear weapon is not something we want to happen.

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Speaker 11: We do not want to see them threatening in national

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Speaker 11: peace and security, backing terrorists in the Middle East. Those

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Speaker 11: are all things that we have condemned. We've condemned the

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Speaker 11: regime that oppresses its own people. So whether or not

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Speaker 11: this strike is legal or not will be determined in

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Speaker 11: due course, and we're not in a position to determine.

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Speaker 2: That right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in the scheme of things, this is probably

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Speaker 3: going to be inconsequential, and probably already as inconsequential. But

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind understanding what's going on here because this

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Speaker 3: morning the Prime Minister basically said we support the strikes

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Speaker 3: because our position is the same as Australia's, which support

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Speaker 3: the strikes, and then about five hours later David Seymore

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Speaker 3: says we don't take a position. So what happened, Well,

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Speaker 3: if you.

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Speaker 11: Read the Australian statement, it's actually quite carefully worded. What

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Speaker 11: they've talked about is supporting actions that are aimed at

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Speaker 11: the legitimacy of the Iranian regime, and that that's been

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Speaker 11: their long standing position. They haven't actually commented on this

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Speaker 11: specific action and the legality of it in some sense. Heither,

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Speaker 11: I think there's a little ament of reflection I've had,

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Speaker 11: which is, does anyone really think that New Zealand's position

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Speaker 11: on the legality of the strikes right now is going

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Speaker 11: to change anything happening in the Middle East?

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Speaker 16: No?

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Speaker 3: Thank god you said it, because I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Does this make us you have to rethink the Marsden

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Speaker 3: Point oil refinery?

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Speaker 11: No, of course, the Marsden Point Oil Refinery had to

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Speaker 11: import the oil to begin with to refine, and actually

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Speaker 11: last year the government made changes to regulations which mean

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Speaker 11: that fuel supplies and New Zealand have to keep twenty

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Speaker 11: eight days worth of fuel on supply, so we do

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Speaker 11: have resilience there.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now on the key we save a change is

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Speaker 3: how many farmers and diplomats and soldiers and clergymen do

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Speaker 3: you think will benefit from this?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's difficult to estimate, but hundreds, if not thousands.

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Speaker 11: We know that there are around forty thousand farms in

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Speaker 11: New Zealand. Many of them have a worker or two

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Speaker 11: who are required to live on farm to do their job.

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Speaker 11: And we also know that across government, across the health system,

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Speaker 11: teaches the defense force. We have hundreds of rural workers

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Speaker 11: who have to live in a home near to where

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Speaker 11: they're doing their job. So many of those people have

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Speaker 11: said to us, Look, it's not really fair that I

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Speaker 11: can't use key we Savor to get on the property matter.

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Speaker 11: I'm locked out of this scheme. If you fix it,

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Speaker 11: then I'll be more likely to take part in Key

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Speaker 11: we Savor.

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Speaker 3: The only question that I really have about this is

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Speaker 3: if Todd McClay, which he did, he committed to doing

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Speaker 3: this before the last election, and if it's an easy

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Speaker 3: fix and the no brainer, why has it taken so long.

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Speaker 11: Well, we looked at the proposal, we took it through

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Speaker 11: its paces. We've been a pretty busy government. We've been

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Speaker 11: doing lots of stuff, and we're ticking through the list

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Speaker 11: and this is I think number three on the list

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Speaker 11: of things that the Federated Pharmacy were really important for

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Speaker 11: rural communities. So I'm glad we're making progress on it.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about power companies putting up their

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Speaker 3: prices at the same time as making bumper profits.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think I feel that the way all New

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Speaker 11: Zealanders do, which is we want to see more affordable electricity.

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Speaker 11: I think it's all so the case that you do

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Speaker 11: see power companies profits rise and fall a little bit

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Speaker 11: depending on weather and other conditions. You know, you saw Meridian,

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Speaker 11: for example, made a significant loss last year, although they're

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Speaker 11: at forecast to make profits this year, so it does vary.

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Speaker 11: What we do want to see is those energy companies

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Speaker 11: investing in more electricity generation because that's what will lead

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Speaker 11: to more affordability and safety in the future. And when

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Speaker 11: they are running well, they are able to make those

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Speaker 11: big investments in those assets, and we're seeing that from energy.

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Speaker 3: Comp There's an argument though, that you could ask them

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Speaker 3: to reduce the dividends they pay, which are quite high,

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Speaker 3: in order for them to pump some of that back

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Speaker 3: into reducing power prices.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I've heard that point. Let's just be really clear, though,

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Speaker 11: those hundreds of millions of dollars that we get in

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Speaker 11: a dividend that's New Zealand taxpayers who own a share

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Speaker 11: of these energy companies. Those dollars go straight into our

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Speaker 11: budget for the health system, for the education system, for

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Speaker 11: the police, and so if we were to take them

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Speaker 11: one away from there, we'd have to find it somewhere else.

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Speaker 11: So you know, the money that we use to put

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Speaker 11: into schools and hospitals isn't just funded by your personal

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Speaker 11: income tax. It's also funded by other sources of government revenue.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the Reserve Bank with there's

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Speaker 3: some changes that they want to make for retail banks

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Speaker 3: to set up all these ATMs and cash services around

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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 11: Well, look, I think keeping cash in the economy is

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Speaker 11: really important. We needed after emergencies. We saw that after Cyclone.

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Speaker 11: Gabrielle and I think many New Zealanders have a fair

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Speaker 11: expectation that they'll be able to use cash. But how

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Speaker 11: we ensure it's available that's a question. The Reserve Bank

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Speaker 11: is now consulting with banks on it. Of course, I

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Speaker 11: want to see it being done in a way that's

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Speaker 11: practical and it's affordable, and I've asked the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 11: and the banks to keep the discussions going, to have

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Speaker 11: a proper consultation and come up with something practical.

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Speaker 3: Isn't the problem here though, It seems to be the

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Speaker 3: reason that people that there aren't these cash services in

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Speaker 3: various communities is because not enough people are using it

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Speaker 3: right So if they are forced to reopen those cash services,

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Speaker 3: the rest of us are going to be subsidizing like

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Speaker 3: a couple of people to be able to get their

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Speaker 3: hands on cash. Is that a good idea?

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Speaker 11: Well, look, when you look across the country, there are

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Speaker 11: some places where there can be real gaps and if

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Speaker 11: you're living in a community where you have to travel

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Speaker 11: a long way to be able to access cash, that

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Speaker 11: could be a problem. But that doesn't mean we need

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Speaker 11: to have an ATM on every driveway. It's about having

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Speaker 11: good regional coverage. And I guess the other side of

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Speaker 11: it is, you know, when there is a cyclone or

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Speaker 11: a big weather event, people often want to be able

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Speaker 11: to use cash and we need to have the facility

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Speaker 11: so that they can. So it's about our resilience. It's

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Speaker 11: about our ability to cope with different things that can happen.

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Speaker 3: Right, what are you going to do about any in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand?

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Speaker 11: Well, look, I share the Prime Minister's view and he's

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Speaker 11: obviously more experienced and running airlines than I am, which

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Speaker 11: is we want to see their performance improve. You know,

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Speaker 11: we don't like seeing them making a loss when other

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Speaker 11: airlines around the world seem to be making a profit.

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Speaker 11: We want to see them running on time. We want

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Speaker 11: to see them pricing the affairs while having good schedules,

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Speaker 11: and so you know, I welcome the chair and the

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Speaker 11: chief executive saying that they're having a strategic reset. That

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Speaker 11: seems the right thing to be doing.

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Speaker 3: Does it need a little board shake up because it

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Speaker 3: seems the board is the only consistent thing here.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think the boarder very focused on turning around

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Speaker 11: their performance, and so that's what we monitor them on

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Speaker 11: are you asking for more? What are you doing to

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Speaker 11: achieve that? And of course we'll keep watching that closely

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Speaker 11: because they govern that board again on behalf of the

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Speaker 11: many New Zealand taxpayers who own half of that company.

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Speaker 3: Nichola, thank you has always appreciated as Nikola will Is

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Speaker 3: the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 1: Quarter past six, It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full

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Speaker 1: Show podcast on my Heart Radio empowered by Newstalk ZBI.

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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplessy

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Speaker 1: Allen on the Business Hour with maths, insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: your futures in good news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be the.

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Speaker 3: Cash is King. I speak from experience that backs up

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Speaker 3: Nicholau Willis's view on this. Keep it available always the

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Speaker 3: absolute panic that goes down when things go down is underestimated. Listen,

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Speaker 3: there are claims that people close to Donald Trump have

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Speaker 3: made more than a million dollars US betting on the

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Speaker 3: Iranian air strikes. So analysts reckon they saw six suspected

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Speaker 3: insiders who went on polymarket and bet yes to air

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Speaker 3: strikes specifically for February twenty eight and did that only

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01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 3: twenty four hours before it happened, and then made one

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 3: point two million dollars. Now, if this is true, it's

1510
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 3: the second time it's allegedly happened, because the last time

1511
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 3: it happened was with Venezuela eighteen past six.

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Speaker 2: Idgether Do for Sea L James.

1513
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 3: Solly Harbor Asset Management is with US high Shane, Mate,

1514
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 3: how have the markets reacted to this?

1515
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Speaker 24: It's been a roll Okay, so we're early on we

1516
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 24: saw a risk of move, so people were unwilling to

1517
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 24: take it on risk in reaction to what's sppping over

1518
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 24: the weekend. Then around two o'clock in his on time,

1519
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 24: we had a rumor that around security Claren Jowney, He's

1520
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,759
Speaker 24: reportitive announced that AURUN was seeking nuclear talks with the viewers.

1521
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,480
Speaker 24: President Trump said that's nice. We're open to being pragmatic

1522
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 24: with or any the sanctions. And then about five o'clock

1523
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 24: he is on time Laren Janey said, no, that's wrong.

1524
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 24: Before they wrong, our own is not heading exactly. Yeah,

1525
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 24: we sort of rollercase the oil price. That probably the

1526
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 24: key one. The Brent crude price up four dollars fifty,

1527
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 24: which is about six percent up to seventy seven dollars

1528
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 24: fifty a barrel that can BEUS with its twelve month

1529
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 24: average has been around sixty six sixty seven five year

1530
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 24: average eighty bucks, so you know, we have seen a

1531
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 24: bit of a price increase. The OPIQ plus of come

1532
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 24: out and said they're going to pump to helpful a

1533
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 24: gap goal price up one point three percent, sixty eight

1534
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 24: bucks to five three four sevens five forty seven dollars

1535
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 24: an ounce with people them for safety. Interesting one whither

1536
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 24: is the US hear market. It's obviously open open tonight,

1537
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 24: so it's not open yet, but the futures are picking

1538
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 24: the mark. We'll be down around zero point nine er percent,

1539
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 24: just under one percent. Market was pretty weak last week

1540
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 24: on the basis people were about a risk credit rests

1541
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 24: and then potential Iranian military conflicts. So maybe some of

1542
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 24: the people you were just talking about earlier on and

1543
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 24: certainly locally, we've seen our interest rates rather the stable

1544
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 24: and designed door a little bit down to fifty nine

1545
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 24: to seventy four against the US mark it down half

1546
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 24: a percent, but a weakness and earboss main fort contact.

1547
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 24: So yet, Roll of Caster, do.

1548
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Speaker 3: You think the capital markets will remain volatile?

1549
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 24: Look, the debates for capital markets very much sends on

1550
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 24: whether it's a short, swift campaign about bringing Iran to

1551
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 24: Nego sitting table and landing on a long term nuclear deal,

1552
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 24: or a more sustained campaign to bring about regime change.

1553
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 24: We can only really look back at what we've seen

1554
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 24: in a previous similar events, the Gulf War, Iraq War,

1555
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 24: Russians of Asia, Ukraine, the Reason Israel around twelve their war,

1556
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 24: and across all four episodes we saw the worst case

1557
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 24: scenarios priced them pretty quickly. My markets, particularly in oil

1558
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 24: and then that's generally been unwound. Is that geopolitical rest premium.

1559
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 24: Once we understand the scope and duration of the conflict,

1560
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 24: we know this is different. They're all different, but human

1561
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 24: behavior is not different, and markets tend to reflect the

1562
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 24: same so you tend to see the worse reactionately on

1563
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 24: and over time. You know, week or two we might

1564
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 24: see some of the spike and headlines on wine.

1565
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 3: Now on the reporting season, we saw that wind up

1566
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 3: on Friday. What are your key takeaways from this?

1567
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 24: Yeah, Look, the New Zealand company reporting season was actually

1568
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 24: pretty good. We had more results beats versus consensus expectations

1569
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 24: than misses. That we've seen more upgrades than downgrades. I

1570
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 24: saw some great results from companies like Fishing and Pipe

1571
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 24: with health ga A two. The Aussy Bank says in

1572
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 24: Whispac that are dual listed they will performed pretty well.

1573
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 24: We saw a little bit of weakness and Fletchers Ebos

1574
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 24: Vulcan spark chorus. But you know we are seeing a

1575
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 24: better trend and these trends are being driven by cost control.

1576
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 24: You know, it's stop quite company specific strategies to try

1577
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 24: and and proved profitably rather than a strong economic tale.

1578
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 24: When your companies were quite saying though mixed in news

1579
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 24: on economy, it's not consistent and quite a few companies

1580
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 24: talking about continue with cost out program. So it's a

1581
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 24: good economy. It's still a bit.

1582
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 3: Next good stuff. Shan, thanks for running us to I

1583
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Mat Shane Soley Harbor asset management, whether it's.

1584
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: Macro, micro or just plain economics.

1585
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with the Heather DUP

1586
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: CLA and MAS.

1587
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 2: Insurance and Investments. Your futures in good hands, News talks heavy.

1588
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: Heather, you forgot to ask about suggestions and what to

1589
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 3: do with the key we save or I've been waiting

1590
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 3: since fo haha, Andy, Well, Andy, I haven't forgotten at all.

1591
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 3: You don't have very long to wait because we're talking

1592
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 3: to Brad Olsen, who's going to be at us in

1593
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 3: ten minutes, and he's the guy we need to ask

1594
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 3: those questions of everybody else with in a complete waste

1595
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 3: of space. We've just been some vibes from them. I've

1596
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 3: got some good news. It looks like we're going to

1597
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 3: be put out of a misery by the end of

1598
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 3: the week and we will find out who the All

1599
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 3: Blacks coach is going to beat. The word is that

1600
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 3: they are doing the formal interviews for the position of

1601
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 3: the All Blacks head coach this week and then they

1602
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 3: will probably make an announcement at the end of the week.

1603
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 3: It's just between two contenders Jamie Joseph Dave Renner. What

1604
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 3: a surprise, What a surprise. It's just between the two contenders. Now,

1605
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 3: if you continue with this line of thinking, which was

1606
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 3: predicted at the very start, Jamie Joseph will get the job.

1607
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 3: But anyway, let's go along with the gerad. Who knows

1608
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 3: we might be surprised yet Jamie Joseph. If Jamie Joseph

1609
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 3: gets the job, we'll have to leave the Highlanders pretty

1610
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 3: much immediately. Dave Reeni is in his final season with

1611
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 3: the Steelers over in Japan, we'll have to cut it

1612
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 3: short if he accepts the job. So anyway, find out

1613
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 3: shortly six twenty six.

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01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business.

1615
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 3: It's been a very big year for hockey, hasn't it. Firstly,

1616
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: we've got the Heat of Rivalry, which has become one

1617
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: of the biggest shows out right now. It's on Meon,

1618
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 3: by the way, if you haven't managed to watch it yet,

1619
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 3: it's about a pair of gay hockey players who fall

1620
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 3: in love but have to hide it from the public.

1621
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 3: Watch it when the kids aren't in the room. It's

1622
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 3: quite spicy. The other big story was both the US

1623
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 3: men's and women's hockey teams won gold at the Winter Olympics,

1624
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 3: though the winds were overshadowed by some locker room talk

1625
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 3: between the men's team and Donald Trump.

1626
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to bring the women.

1627
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 8: I do believe I probably would be a peace.

1628
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 3: It's gone meta. The worlds have collided. Connor Story is

1629
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 3: one of the lead actors and Heated Rivalry. In less

1630
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 3: than a year, the sky has gone from being a

1631
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: waiter to one of the biggest names in Hollywood, even

1632
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 3: hosting S n L Over the weekend. Now, some of

1633
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 3: you may have seen literally all of me on my.

1634
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 9: Show Heated Rivalry.

1635
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 3: It's a show that has taught a lot of people

1636
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 3: about hockey, and it's taught a lot of street women

1637
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 3: that their sexuality is actually gay.

1638
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 2: Guy.

1639
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 3: And there's a bit of payback from the jokes at

1640
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: the girl's expense. He brought out members from the men's

1641
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 3: and women's team to poke a bit of fun at

1642
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 3: all of the outrage. It was gonna be just as

1643
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 3: but we thought we didn't bathe it goes too.

1644
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 10: I mean, both of your teams of Wonder Gold.

1645
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1646
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 21: The last time the mon did that was forty six

1647
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 21: years ago, and the last time.

1648
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: We did that was two hot Olympics ago. But good

1649
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: on the US hockey boys for swallowing their pride and

1650
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 3: making it right in the best way that we as

1651
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 3: humans know, which is a good old public shaming. Tied

1652
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 3: a bowl on that hockey story, haven't we? Brad alson

1653
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 3: on what to do with your key we saver and

1654
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 3: what the financial implications are of this business in aram next.

1655
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour

1656
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: with head, the duper clan and mass insurance and investments,

1657
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 1: your futures in good hands used talks'd be.

1658
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: Mister.

1659
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: Some analysts reckon that there is a rift between JD.

1660
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 3: Varance and Donald Trump on the air strikes on Iran

1661
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,839
Speaker 3: because Donald Trump was in Mara Lago for the strikes,

1662
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 3: whereas JD. Varance wasn't even in the room. He was

1663
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 3: back in the situation room, and he has been weirdly

1664
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 3: quiet on social media. Normally he's pumping that social media hard,

1665
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 3: but he's had very little to say in the last

1666
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: few days, so they think it means that he's not

1667
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 3: very happy about this at all. We're gonna have a

1668
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 3: chat to Gavin Gray about the latest U turn from

1669
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 3: kir Starmer this time to do with the air strikes.

1670
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 3: He's going to be with us in ten minutes time,

1671
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 3: twenty four away from seven.

1672
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 16: Now.

1673
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 3: The flare up in the Middle East could have financial

1674
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: implications for New Zealand. Petrol prices, interest rates, key we

1675
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 3: save for balances could all be hit. Infirmetric's chief executive

1676
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 3: Brad Olson is with us now. Hi, Brad, good evening.

1677
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,759
Speaker 3: I would imagine your biggest concern is inflation.

1678
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: It is for the.

1679
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 26: Moment, although so far I think the uncertainty is still

1680
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 26: meaning that we're worried, but it's not as direct so far.

1681
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,839
Speaker 26: The likes of Brent crude oil prices are spuck thirteen

1682
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,959
Speaker 26: percent today, but that was an early trading. That increase

1683
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 26: is now halved, with Brent only up just over six

1684
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,679
Speaker 26: percent on the latest figures i'm looking at. So there

1685
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 26: has been a more muted sort of push higher in

1686
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 26: oil prices. People have been wondering about one hundred dollars

1687
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 26: a barrel and we haven't. You know, at the moment

1688
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 26: the figures have only just breached eighty and have then

1689
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 26: pulled back a bit, so this does seem to be

1690
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 26: a more limited fallout so far. Yes, there's concerns around

1691
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 26: the Strait of Hormuz and everything else, But so far

1692
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 26: energy infrastructure hasn't been directly attacked, and I think everyone's

1693
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 26: just trying to sort of wait things out and see

1694
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 26: how long it will go. Other parts of the economy,

1695
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 26: though still at a bit more risk. The likes of the

1696
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 26: ENZIEX fifty down I thinker point seventy five percent today

1697
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 26: just not really a feeling amongst traders that there's a

1698
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 26: great amount of growth opportunity out there. And when we

1699
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 26: see US markets open tomorrow, would be expecting a similar

1700
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 26: sort of pullback in the likes of stocks of those

1701
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 26: other purchases that people often flop to for a bit

1702
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 26: of a safe haven, like gold, well, they look like

1703
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 26: they've got a bit more potential. So a lot that

1704
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 26: we're trying to watch at the moment, but a lot

1705
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 26: of uncertainty is still coming out of the Middle East.

1706
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so half of thirteen is roughly about six, which

1707
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 3: is what the oil prices have gone up by. Do

1708
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 3: we know what that means that the petrol pump for.

1709
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 26: US, Well, I guess given how much it's sort of

1710
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 26: flicked around, even just within today, I'd be disappointed if

1711
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 26: you saw oil companies, the retailers here in New Zealand

1712
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 26: lift pump prices too quickly because all of this, you know,

1713
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 26: could will have operated away a little bit quicker. I'd

1714
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 26: expect that you might see over the course of this

1715
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 26: week a little bit more pressure coming on domestic prices.

1716
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 26: But again I think that you know, traders and the

1717
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 26: oil companies will need to be a little bit careful.

1718
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 26: Looking through some of the figures shows that international traders

1719
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Speaker 26: are thinking that there's sort of a three month impact here,

1720
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 26: so you know, changing things across the board and expecting

1721
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 26: fuel prices to be higher for you know, the next

1722
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 26: year is very much over the top. For now, I

1723
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,600
Speaker 26: think it's probably a bit more sensible to sort of

1724
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 26: just hold things for the next week and then assess

1725
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 26: where where we get to. I mean, this is still

1726
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 26: a volatile situation, but yes, a bit more pressure. And

1727
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 26: of course that's coming at a time when tradable overseas

1728
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 26: based inflation had already been pitching up. The Reserve Bank's

1729
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 26: already got inflation out the top of the target ban.

1730
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 26: They are worried about these sort of pressures, but equally

1731
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 26: you'd hope that they'd look through a geopolitical event like

1732
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 26: this where they couldn't look through it as much. Is

1733
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 26: if not only households were being hit with those higher

1734
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 26: fuel prices if they go up, but also if transport

1735
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 26: costs around the country go up, and that would mean

1736
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 26: that every other product that has to get moved by

1737
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 26: road or ship or anything else would increase too. So

1738
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 26: some indirect effects that we're watching and waiting on. I mean,

1739
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 26: you've also got travel disruptions with airlines, You've got trade

1740
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 26: disruptions with about three billion dollars worth of exports from

1741
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 26: New Zealand that go up into the Gulf. So a

1742
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 26: lot of moving parts. But for them, I do think

1743
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 26: that everyone probably needs to keep their wits about them

1744
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 26: rather than reacting violently to these changes.

1745
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 3: Right, so you need to mediate this. Ben text earlier

1746
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 3: and said you've got to pull all your key we

1747
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 3: saver out of high risk and put it into cash.

1748
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 3: And then Phil said, nah, don't do that, because if

1749
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 3: you do that, then when the upswing happens, you're going

1750
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 3: to miss out on all the games. So what do

1751
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 3: you think, Well, look.

1752
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 26: If you wanted to put it, to move it out

1753
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 26: of a high risk strategy, you've got to do that

1754
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 26: before the risk comes through. If you're going to change

1755
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 26: it only once the market's open and they've already sort

1756
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 26: of you know, dropped away, then you're just locking in

1757
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,839
Speaker 26: the loss. I think it comes down to risk tolerance.

1758
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 26: Like if you were looking to use your kei we

1759
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 26: saver for I don't know, the likes of retirement or

1760
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 26: to buy a house or something, then you probably weren't

1761
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 26: or maybe shouldn't have had it in such a high

1762
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 26: risk sort of moveable position in the first place. Personally,

1763
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 26: as someone who's not looking to touch the key we

1764
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 26: saver for probably thirty plus years, I'm not going to

1765
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 26: look back and go remember in March twenty twenty six

1766
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 26: when things changed around because of that conflict. I'm probably

1767
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 26: just not going to look at my key we save

1768
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 26: for the next couple of weeks. So if you're worried

1769
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 26: about your key we saver, go and take some advice

1770
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 26: rather than making some rash action. If you're worried about it,

1771
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 26: you probably should have been worried about it before all

1772
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,440
Speaker 26: of this came up, and now's the second best opportunity

1773
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 26: to have a chat with someone to get that advice.

1774
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 8: But I do worry.

1775
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 26: I mean heither you remember the likes to start a

1776
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 26: COVID when markets, you know, absolutely dropped out. People made

1777
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 26: huge changes to their kew we saver. Three months later

1778
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 26: it all came back and a lot of people went, damn,

1779
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 26: I lost that and I missed it and now I've

1780
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 26: locked in a loss.

1781
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 3: Do you know what such a good point that you make,

1782
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 3: Brad as always thank you mate, look after yourself. Brad

1783
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 3: Olson in for Metric's chief executive, so you needed it

1784
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 3: when Trumpy was moving the aircraft, so you should have

1785
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 3: done it then. Now, don't listen to me. I'm not

1786
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 3: a registered financial advice I need to reiterate that eighteen

1787
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 3: away from seven.

1788
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 2: Kell duper see Alan.

1789
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 3: I feel like this is something we discussed on the

1790
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 3: show a few weeks back, which is the best food

1791
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 3: city in New Zealand Because people always say, oh, it's Wellington,

1792
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 3: they were Wellington on a plate. Oh I got the

1793
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 3: Burger Festival, Ah, they got the Beervana, and I always

1794
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 3: at that point go yea, it's actually Auckland. It's Wellington'

1795
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 3: stopped being the best food city a long time ago

1796
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,679
Speaker 3: and it's Auckland. I'm happy to say that. Jesse Mulligan

1797
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 3: has backed up this view with his Viva in the

1798
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 3: Herald today. He's done a list of the top ten.

1799
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: I'll give them to you number one Auckland, two Wellington

1800
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 3: two equal, christ Church four Queenstown, Arrowtown, five, Napier Hastings, six, Hamilton,

1801
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,799
Speaker 3: seven to eighten eight New Plymouth, nine Blenheim and ten topal.

1802
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 3: He says Auckland is well ahead. Well I just just

1803
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 3: well ahead, just in case you missed that. Auckland is

1804
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 3: well ahead because of the international particularly migrant influence, the

1805
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 3: concentration of talent and the sheer population making new and

1806
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 3: interesting restaurants viable. Note cities in wine regions benefits somewhat

1807
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: from the numerous saladors and restaurants within twenty minutes of

1808
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 3: the city. And he actually points out Craigie Range in

1809
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 3: Hawks Bay as an example of that. And that's one

1810
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 3: hundred percent right. He then says christ Church just continues

1811
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 3: to get better, meaning Wellington will need to work hard

1812
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 3: to keep that spot competitive because it's second equal. As

1813
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,759
Speaker 3: someone who spent all of my twenties in that beautiful

1814
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 3: capital city, I believe in them as and I believe

1815
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 3: in Wellington. Now I also believe in Wellington well well

1816
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: this is well Okay, let's be honest. I really want

1817
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 3: Wellington to do well because geez, they need a break

1818
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 3: and this do I have the happiest memories of living

1819
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 3: in Wellington and just going out and spending all my

1820
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 3: cash on food and drank and just having a great time,

1821
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 3: just being wild loved it. Do I believe Wellington can

1822
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 3: hold it versus the upsurge from christ Church and the

1823
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 3: decline of Wellington. No, I do not. But anyway, there

1824
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: you go. Auckland's number one. What did I tell you

1825
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 3: sixteen away from seven?

1826
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 2: Ever, it's to do with money.

1827
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: It matters to you the business hour with Heather dupericil

1828
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: it and mayor's insurance and investments and your futures in

1829
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: good heads US talks, it'd be hither.

1830
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 3: The principled question is does New Zealand, as a member

1831
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 3: of the UN, believe in an international rules based world.

1832
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 3: If we do, then we need to say so. If

1833
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,759
Speaker 3: we don't, then putin canateac Ukraine and Trump can aitact

1834
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 3: Greenland as well. This government was asked two years ago

1835
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 3: to designate the IRGC a terrorist organization, which they are,

1836
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 3: and it declined it's easy to call them evil now.

1837
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 3: Gregory full Teme, thank you. Gregory. Gregory thirteen away from

1838
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 3: seven and Gavin Gray are UK correspondents with US. Hello, Gevin, Hi,

1839
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 3: there had So Keir Starmer has capitulated on the air bases.

1840
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 16: Yeah, we think he has.

1841
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 20: He's been under a lot of pressure and has been

1842
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 20: for a last few weeks to allow America to use

1843
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 20: a couple of the Arif bases on which to fly

1844
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 20: long range missions. Now, originally we think he was asked

1845
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 20: for use of the Royal Air Force Base at Fairford,

1846
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 20: which is in Gloucestershire, to the west of London in

1847
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 20: the West Country, and also the joint US UK base

1848
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 20: Diego Garcia, one of the Chagos Islands off in the

1849
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 20: Indian Ocean. Now he originally declined that use about three

1850
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 20: three and a half weeks ago. Now he's turned around

1851
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 20: and say, actually, yes they Americans can use these bases,

1852
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 20: but only for defensive strikes. He's calling it and he said,

1853
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 20: we've learnt the mistakes of Iraq and the UK was

1854
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 20: not involved in the initial strikes on Iran and will

1855
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 20: not join the offensive action. Now he said, so he's

1856
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 20: caught between those more hawkish, saying he's let America down.

1857
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 20: We should have been in this from the start. Others

1858
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 20: are saying he's now gone and flip flopped the other way,

1859
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 20: and they don't want Britain to become involved in any way,

1860
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 20: shape or form of what's going on, saying, let us

1861
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 20: hear quite clearly from the government is this legal under

1862
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,240
Speaker 20: international law or not? And so far all the ministers

1863
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 20: on television, radio, print are all refusing to answer that

1864
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 20: single question. So it looks like Donald Trump's got his

1865
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 20: way with the use of these orif basis for long

1866
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 20: range strikes, but only after the start of this action

1867
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:06,799
Speaker 20: in Iran.

1868
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 3: Now, what do we know about this chep who's been

1869
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 3: charged with the graffiti on the Sir Winston Churchill statue.

1870
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 20: Very interesting case this because in the early hours of

1871
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 20: the Friday there was graffiti appearing on the very famous

1872
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,839
Speaker 20: Winston church Or statue. It is a couple of meters

1873
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 20: off the ground. It actually stands in total three point

1874
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:35,599
Speaker 20: six meters and it was unveiled in nineteen seventy three

1875
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 20: and for many people it absolutely epitomizes Winston church and

1876
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,000
Speaker 20: everything he stood for, that very no nonsense approach, and

1877
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 20: so forth. However, over the years it has become a

1878
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 20: target for the disaffected, and on this case, a thirty

1879
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 20: eight year old man called Caspar San Giorgio, believed to

1880
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 20: come from the Netherlands but of no fixed address, has

1881
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 20: already been arrested in by the police in London and

1882
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 20: charged with effectively criminal damage. Now basically what it was

1883
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 20: sprayed on the statue is never again is now now.

1884
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 20: Never again of course relates to a speech church or

1885
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 20: made about we must never get into world wars again

1886
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 20: and free Palestine and also globalized the into Father. Now

1887
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 20: what's interesting is that the police in London made that

1888
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 20: particular sentence globalized the Into Father a criminal offense, and

1889
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 20: so he's no doubt facing charges for the damage to

1890
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 20: the statue, which will has already been cleaned off and

1891
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,759
Speaker 20: there's cost thousands of dollars to do so. But also

1892
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 20: if he has spray painted with red paint globalized the interofather,

1893
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 20: that could be a separate thing altogether. Now we don't

1894
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 20: yet know what he's saying about these charges yet, but

1895
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,640
Speaker 20: this is all to do its thought and linked with

1896
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 20: the arrests that have been made over support for Palestine

1897
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 20: Action group. That's been labeled as terrorist group here that

1898
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 20: has been subject to many, many protests over the last

1899
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 20: few weeks.

1900
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 3: Gevin, I see, apparently we've been writing a lot longer

1901
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 3: than we thought we had.

1902
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 20: Yes, this is a rather funny story because experts have

1903
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 20: always begun to pin down when they think that people

1904
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 20: started writing or making notes as it were, making some

1905
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 20: sort of annotations as to when we first began talking

1906
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 20: about emotions, and they believed it to be some five

1907
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 20: thousand years ago in ancient Iraq or Mesopotamia. However, now

1908
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 20: the researchers of discerned patterns of meaning in lines, notches, dots,

1909
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 20: and crosses on objects like mammoth tusks in caves in Germany,

1910
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 20: and they are forty five thousand years old, so it

1911
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 20: completely blows the previous theory out of the water. Now

1912
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 20: the precise meaning of the symbols in Germany remains a mystery.

1913
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 20: And I have to tell you how they having seen

1914
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 20: a picture of these dots, notches, lines, crosses. I can't

1915
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 20: see how they actually think this is somebody talking about

1916
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 20: their thoughts and feelings, but perhaps it is. Anyway, this

1917
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 20: has really changed the way in which people think things

1918
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 20: are going on some three thousand characters on two hundred

1919
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 20: and sixty objects have been uncovered in these caves. They're

1920
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 20: calling it the DNA of.

1921
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:32,520
Speaker 3: Writingvin, Thanks very much appreciated, Gavin Gray, how UK correspondent

1922
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,360
Speaker 3: eight away from seven.

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Speaker 3: a new data from real estate dot Co do on

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Speaker 3: Zeni shows that twelve two hundred and fifty two properties

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Speaker 3: were listed last month. That is seven point eight percent

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01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 3: more than February last year. It's basically gone up everywhere

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Speaker 3: across the country except for Corimandal. This is the reason.

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Speaker 3: Regions that are the exception right Corimandal, gisbon Ycutle, Central

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Speaker 3: Otago Lakes and Southland Wellington. Listings are up three point

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Speaker 3: one percent, Auckland ten point eight percent. So especially if

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Speaker 3: you're trying to sell in Auckland, mate, have you got

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Speaker 3: some competition coming at you now? My most obviously, apart

1940
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Speaker 3: from the most exciting news at the weekend, which is

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Speaker 3: Trump blowing the hell out of Iran, my other most

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Speaker 3: exciting news at the weekend is what ANSW has chosen

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Speaker 3: to talk about next.

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Speaker 8: Yes, and yeah, okay, there we go split ends.

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Speaker 27: They obviously played at Electric Avenue on Friday, and then

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Speaker 27: it's basically as soon as that was done, they announced

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Speaker 27: they're going on to it. They're going to be playing

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Speaker 27: at Wellington's TSP Arena on May the sixth, and they're

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Speaker 27: going to go be playing Spark Arena on May the night,

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Speaker 27: and they're going to go over to Australia and play

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Speaker 27: a bunch of shows there as well. These are their

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Speaker 27: first shows in eighteen years. So yeah, very very big

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Speaker 27: news on the music front.

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Speaker 3: So one thing I thought, I was talking to concert

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Speaker 3: club today and because you have to do a hard

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Speaker 3: cell sometimes and so my heart cell.

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Speaker 8: On this was a hard cell.

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Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't sure because at least one of them

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Speaker 3: is really cool and I don't know that she wants

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Speaker 3: to waste it.

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Speaker 8: You talking about yourself here or no, No.

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Speaker 3: One's going to believe that. So I had to get

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Speaker 3: like and it's going to be followed up backed up

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Speaker 3: by the following statements. My heart cell was I have

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Speaker 3: loved Splitly since I was seventeen years old. This is

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Speaker 3: really exciting for me. So I think they're in on it.

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Speaker 27: Oh yeah, I just if you did the same eyes

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Speaker 27: that you just did at me as I was like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got my big eyes on.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Number two, you have chosen two of their suckiest songs

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Speaker 3: two days in a row. Well, I am, this is

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Speaker 3: their shitest song.

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Speaker 8: This is I got you. Yeah, So I went.

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Speaker 27: I went to producer Kevin who saw them play in

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Speaker 27: the eighties, and I was like, what's your favorite what's

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Speaker 27: your favorite one?

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Speaker 8: He's like, I see read. And then today I was like,

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Speaker 8: what's another good one?

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Speaker 3: You picked that one? Which is which is the one

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Speaker 3: that Tim Finn wrote about the monster, about the tunny fuff?

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Speaker 3: What's that called?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? I did this because I don't know split ends

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Speaker 8: at all. So I was like, oh, I'll farm it

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Speaker 8: out to a gene. Exit were clearly that nice hither.

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Speaker 3: On Okay, Well I'll tell you what. How about park It?

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Speaker 3: Park It? And Tomorrow We'll come back with the good.

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Speaker 8: One, with the tunny pussle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Pass. I just got to remember I'm going through pieri menopause.

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Speaker 3: Probably I can't remember things. I've got small children. Come

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Speaker 3: back with that tomorrow. I see you then

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