1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: There's a bit of het on the government's Retail Crime 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Advisory Group, you know, the outfit. It's made up of 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: the retailers who are giving the government ideas on how 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: to tackle the crime that's going on in the stores. 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Turns out the group has existed for one hundred days 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: and it's cost the taxpayers around five hundred thousand dollars. 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Sunny Caulcial is the chair of the group with us. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: Now morning Sunny, Very good morning, Heather. 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: Now, Sunny, this is a lot of money for one 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: hundred days, isn't it, Heather. 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: Actually, we are under budget. You know. The great thing 12 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: about our group is that we are funded out of 13 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: the Pursuits of Crime fund. That means we are funded 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: by the money seized from the criminals and gangs, so 15 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: we are spending their money. You know. Our group, Ministerial 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 2: Advisory Groups of budget for the full year is one 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: point eight million dollars. So we are we are we 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: are truly under a budget. You know. Year ending, we 19 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: have under spent and saved over three hundred and sixty 20 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: one thousand dollars, so we are well under budget. 21 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: To be fair, if you spend every month at the 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: rate that you're spending. At the moment, you will come 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: over budget because it will hit it will hit two 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: million when your budget is one point eight. But let's 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: have a look at what this money spent on personnel 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: costs of what three hundred and thirty thousand dollars? What's that? 27 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: So the majority of our costs come from the team 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: of legal, policy and policy experts. We having gaged and 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 2: we need to deliver evidence based and professional advice. If 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: we have we are going to get the government to 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 2: listen to our proposal. 32 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: And I'm really how far the work that we Who 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: are these people? 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: So the people are the the legal team, the the 35 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: the policy people. 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: Who are the policy people? 37 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have to you know, we have to 38 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: deliver the proposals which are evidence based, which are independent, 39 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: which are international patent. 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. We pay people already in various departments 41 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: and minister's officers to be these policy people. So policy 42 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: people are you paying? 43 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: This is for the ministered advisory group we have. We 44 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: have a separate entity, you know, otherwise no need to 45 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: set up ad ministerial advisory group. If the existing agencies 46 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: and all were able to deliver what we have been 47 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: delivering now you know we we are. You have seen 48 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: this is the as Ministry has said, the this Ministrial 49 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: Advisory Group is the most productive group in New Zealand history. 50 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: You know, you're getting off a bit a bit of 51 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: track here. The question was who are these people? Can 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: you tell? Can you give me a name? 53 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, not the names, you know. I mean, we have 54 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: the they manager, we have the policy team you know 55 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: who go into those policies. They're experts in their various fields, 56 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: like the criminal law specialists. And then we have the 57 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 2: the consultants. 58 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Sonny, I love your ideas and I think your ideas 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: are good, but they are ideas that have been that 60 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: you have been pitching for a long time. I just 61 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: feel like this just feels like a money go around, 62 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: doesn't it. It's it's people just getting so some easy coin. 63 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: No, Heather, I wouldn't agree on that one. This is 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: a money well spent. You know, tail crime in New 65 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: Zealand is costing two point eight billion dollars. You know, 66 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: shop lifting itself is costing New Zealanders one point four 67 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: billion dollars annually. Then there's a human cost to retail crime. 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: These are the costs I'm worried about, you know, if 69 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: we have to deliver the quality reports, if we have 70 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: to get the law change, which have not been changed 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 2: as old as from one hundred and twenty seven years, 72 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: we need to come up with quality reports. And hither 73 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to look up the reports to see 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: how comprehensive they are. They're all available online. 75 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: Sonny, thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Sunny Corcial, 76 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: Chair of the Retail Crime Ministerial Advisory Group. It's not 77 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: nice to talk about people's pay packets, but I'm going 78 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: to do it anyway, Sonny. Sonny has been paid ninety 79 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars I think, which is over one hundred days. 80 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: Not bad. 81 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: Not bad because it's nine hundred dollars a day. So 82 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: and if you carry that on, that's three months. Hey, 83 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: you carry that on four times, three hundred and sixty 84 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 85 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. 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