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Speaker 1: Yea. I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page,

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Speaker 1: a daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. It's

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Speaker 1: Pride Month in New Zealand, with the LGBTQ plus community

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Speaker 1: making the most of the summer sun to celebrate, but

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Speaker 1: at the same time, it's a celebration that feels increasingly

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Speaker 1: under threat. The return of the Trump administration has seen

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Speaker 1: arise in laws attacking the trans community and limiting diversity,

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Speaker 1: equity and inclusion initiatives. In the US. It's even seen

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Speaker 1: one US state look at trying to overturn gay marriage.

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Speaker 1: And while the US may be thousands of k's away,

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Speaker 1: our connected world means attitudes there can easily be imported here.

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Speaker 1: We already saw that last year with the Rainbow Crossing

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Speaker 1: vandalisms and the ongoing backlash against drag Queen's story Times

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Speaker 1: Today on the front Page, Chair of the Auckland Pride Board,

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Speaker 1: Ben Goodsir, is with us to discuss how Pride celebrations

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Speaker 1: are going in an uncertain landscape. Then Pride events are

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Speaker 1: underway here in Auckland. How's the festival been so far?

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Speaker 2: The festival has been amazing. We kicked off last week

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Speaker 2: with the opening of the festival, which is called Timatanga

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Speaker 2: and was an incredible event at season Gallery, a great

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Speaker 2: way to coep off the festival and since then it

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Speaker 2: has been at full steamer Heads. Pride Elevates started this

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Speaker 2: week with Brady pat launching her show just called What

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Speaker 2: Happened to Marianne at Q Theater last night, another amazing event,

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Speaker 2: and that's alongside over one hundred and ninety plus events

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Speaker 2: all across the city which are going on this month.

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Speaker 1: Do you wish Pride Month was every month?

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Speaker 2: I think we would having trade month and a month

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Speaker 2: means that we can keep our focus and keep our

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Speaker 2: energy up for the whole month. But it is a

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Speaker 2: big month and we couldn't do it without the incredible

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Speaker 2: start at Orkan Pride, who are looking after all of

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Speaker 2: the people running events and also all of our partners

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Speaker 2: including Auckland Council who hosts more than Sidney events all

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Speaker 2: across our community centers and libraries, and so having it

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Speaker 2: in one month really gives us a chance to put

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Speaker 2: that extra effort and have our really impact.

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Speaker 1: If we look overseas, I guess the return of Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump to the White House has seen LGBTQ plus rights

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Speaker 1: under assault and straight off the bat. Trump declared in

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Speaker 1: his inauguration speech that there was only two genders.

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Speaker 3: As of today, it will henceforth be the official policy

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Speaker 3: of the United States government that there are only two genders,

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Speaker 3: male and female.

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Speaker 1: And then he signed an executive order on it. Last week,

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Speaker 1: he signed another executive action banning trans women from taking

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Speaker 1: part in women's sports. And on top of that, DEI

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Speaker 1: initiatives in the US have been scrapped across the government,

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Speaker 1: with information about HIV treatment being removed from government websites

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Speaker 1: as well. For example, when you see these things happening

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Speaker 1: in the US, how do you feel.

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Speaker 2: This is really just tapping off a trend over the

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Speaker 2: last few years of an increasingly vocal minority really pushing

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Speaker 2: back against what has been important progress for recognizing the

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Speaker 2: dignity and importance of rainbow communities. But with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: what we're seeing is, I guess a small group of billionaires,

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Speaker 2: including Elon Musk and Make Zuckerberg, who are really pushing

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Speaker 2: these agendas right to the front. Yeah. I think it

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Speaker 2: should be concerning for everyone, especially when we have people

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Speaker 2: like Mark Zuckerberg saying that workplace has become too feminine,

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Speaker 2: so it becomes really hard to understand how we can

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Speaker 2: find in place within that for respectful understanding, which I

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Speaker 2: think is what everyone is really looking for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of prominent companies have ended their DEI

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Speaker 1: their official website since Trump took office. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the likes of Google, Amazon, Meta, General Motors, Intel, PayPal, Pepsi,

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Speaker 1: Golden Sacks, Deloitte, Disney, and the list goes on. Are

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Speaker 1: you disappointed that so many private companies seem to have

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Speaker 1: I guess caved.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that we can really look to companies

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Speaker 2: terms of queer ranks, the way it has always been

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Speaker 2: the recognition of our human rights and our dignity. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's what needs to be the focus. We

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is there that element that pride or gay rights

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Speaker 1: is there a sense that it's seen as trendy, like

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what recent developments have suggested that I think

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Speaker 2: with those companies who are really keen to invest in

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Speaker 2: that there has been a real shift and showing that

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Speaker 2: And so over the long term, it is the community

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Speaker 2: and the attitude shifts that we need to build and

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Speaker 4: Okay, roads famous Rainbow crossing has been painted over with

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Speaker 4: white paint overnight or Concentral MP and Green's co leader

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Speaker 4: Chloe Swallbrick says she's been in touch with the relevant

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Speaker 4: authorities to have the crossing fixed immediately. No one's yet

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Speaker 4: taken responsibility for the vandalism here in Auckland, but Destiny

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Speaker 4: Church leader Brian Tamaki issued a statement this morning saying

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Speaker 4: the painters had clearly had enough and that this was

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Speaker 1: Some might argue that what happens in the US shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be a concern or isn't a concern here, and we're

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Speaker 1: a pretty socially liberal country, fairly agnostic without that same

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Speaker 1: haveeing backlash towards the Rainbow community here, haven't we. Last

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Speaker 1: year a Destiny Church member painted over the Rainbow crossing

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Speaker 1: on Kaangahabe Road. But we've also seen protests at drag

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Speaker 1: queen readings in small towns. I guess are you concerned

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Speaker 1: we could see more of this attitude take center stage

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am concerned. The US is a really culturally

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Speaker 2: and those strategies are starting to be adopted more and

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Speaker 2: Health Minister Samine Brown was leading anti abortion groups when

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Speaker 2: the state of our healthcare in New Zealand and access

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Speaker 2: for the day to day things that are really important.

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Speaker 2: So I think it is a concern and the influences

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Speaker 1: Looking at the UK as well, there's a Dolly part

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Speaker 1: a Dolly Heart and musical. Do you think people are

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Speaker 1: getting more emboldened to be homophobic or transphobic in public now.

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Speaker 2: I think when the tone is set from the top,

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Speaker 2: those types of activities make people feel uncomfortable just being

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Speaker 2: in public, and sort of tone that is being said

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Speaker 1: Do you want to see more from the government to

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Speaker 1: promote LGBTQ plus equity.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this government right from the start has baked

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Speaker 2: and so it's really hard to see how they can

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Speaker 2: a good start would be just really recognizing the fundamentals

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Speaker 2: that these things are human rights, transact to human rights,

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Speaker 2: queer right to human rights, and they are protected in

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Speaker 2: an obligation to show how they are upholding human rights

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Speaker 2: and their actions. The Coalition agreement just can't unilaterally rewrite

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Speaker 2: what legislative protections for rainbow communities. It's really hard to

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Speaker 2: they have those their policies written into their agreement.

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Speaker 1: What are some of those policies.

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Speaker 2: Some of the policies include some of the same policies

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Speaker 2: where it's really about people getting involved, being healthy, and

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Speaker 2: they do have better mental and physical power. But also

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Speaker 2: policies around access for transgender healthcare and a range of

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Speaker 2: other funding arrangements for local community groups. But even just

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Speaker 2: and that has a disproportion of effect not just on

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Speaker 5: Our trends and non binary and gender minority found are

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Speaker 5: current and MT. It's driven by rhetoric from the likes

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Speaker 2: Take a sick.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a lot of lesbians in a lot of

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Speaker 5: Behalf of the women and the lisbos.

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Speaker 1: Now, what would your advice be to straight people, for example,

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Speaker 2: I think it just is about making it clear that's

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Speaker 2: not okay, and just looking out for one another. It's basic,

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Speaker 2: it's basic respect, it's basic empathy or people and or

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Speaker 2: community or for any other reason, that New Zealanders do

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Speaker 2: believe in doing what's right and looking out for one another.

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Speaker 2: And I would hope that anyone straight gay would be

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Speaker 1: And finally, Ben, what would you say to perhaps parents

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Speaker 1: of the queer youth in their lives and how can

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Speaker 1: they cope over the next four years. I suppose what's

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Speaker 2: I mean a really pelful parents and the challenges that

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Speaker 2: having role models and having people out there that young

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Speaker 2: show off the amazing, incredible work that people are doing

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Speaker 2: a master.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for joining us, Ben.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Chelsea, have a great day.

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