WEBVTT - It's complicated: figuring out our relationship with alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Francisca Rudkin and I'm Louise Arii. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>season five of our New Zealand Herald podcast The Little Things.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to have you with us, Yes, and this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>we're joined by experts in their field to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the little things you need to know to improve all areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of information and confusion out there. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to cut through that to bring you some clarities you

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<v Speaker 2>can make your own well informed decisions on. Well begin Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you are a long time listener, you probably

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<v Speaker 2>know we love to talk, run, go on a ventures,

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<v Speaker 2>and spend time with our families. And we've enjoyed a

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<v Speaker 2>glass of wine or two over the years, occasional bottle,

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<v Speaker 2>like many people, depending on what's going on in our lives,

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<v Speaker 2>what agent stage were at, we've fluctuated between a glass

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<v Speaker 2>of wine a night. You remember the Toddly years, it

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<v Speaker 2>was very much a glass of wine at night or

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<v Speaker 2>not drinking at all. And if you are a long

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<v Speaker 2>time listener you will you'll remember lose famous one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol Free Days, which was seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>I edited them. Somebody said life's too short and I

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<v Speaker 1>just oh yeah, okay, one little prompt, but anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>You were doing so well. But I think we have

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<v Speaker 2>had different we have drunk, and I'm sure that everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>the same. Over the years, we've sort of had these passions.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you're in your twenties, were was almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a bit of a badge of honor, wasn't it

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<v Speaker 2>to turn up to work and struggle through the day

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<v Speaker 2>with a hangover after a great night. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>sort of hit your thirties and you start, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting pregnant and having babies and breastfeeding, and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>drink for a little while there, and then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, you find yourself with a bunch of toddlers,

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<v Speaker 2>go what have I done? And you know, your mother's

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<v Speaker 2>little helper kicks in at five o'clock each night, and

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<v Speaker 2>you find yourself sort of back on the booze. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I think I've just sort of fluctuated over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on whether I'm training for something, or what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>or how how well and happy the children are. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's all sorts of things that impact you're drinking habits.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you probably just described the continuum that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will relate to that, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a legend and my teens and twenties

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<v Speaker 1>and out there meeting people and even corporate if you

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<v Speaker 1>were in you know, I worked for a big corporation

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<v Speaker 1>and alcohol was very much part of the lifestyle, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at conferences and things like that. Got to conferences now

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, you have a glass of winy. I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked it all bloody day. I just need to leave. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all. It's all got very much more sensible.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I would say there are times that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sensible. I'm not doing the right thing by my body.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I think you and I have kind of mirrored

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<v Speaker 2>each other, and we have been trying to get to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where we've kind of got a nice balance.

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<v Speaker 2>We're able to enjoy a glass of wine or two

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<v Speaker 2>and things but not have it impact our lives. But

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing that now now was sort of ensconced

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<v Speaker 2>in the glory years also known as middle age, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>finding that the consequences of alcohol hitting home a lot more.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm noticing that alcohol really isn't my friend

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<v Speaker 2>in pyraimenopause.

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<v Speaker 1>And this has been explained to us by more than

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<v Speaker 1>one kids, But as you know, take some while to

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<v Speaker 1>get through to me. And and I'm training for something

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and it is and I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that much time to do it in the evenings and

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<v Speaker 1>the d days well they're getting nice and longer now,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were sitting a very dark through the winter,

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<v Speaker 1>and the only time I could fit things and was

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. And if I drank the night before,

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<v Speaker 1>it would actually just make me go I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to get up. It's not that it defeatd my performance.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have one. I literally just be like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting out of bed this morning. So not

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't a hangover or anything like that, but

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<v Speaker 1>those one or two glasses were making having an impact

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<v Speaker 1>on how I've slept overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever worried about your drinking? Sorry, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a heart this question. I definitely have had

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<v Speaker 2>moments where I've gone, oh, okay, yeah, I'm getting tired

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm probably not well the one hundred days as

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<v Speaker 2>well as I Yeah, I didn't do that hundred days

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<v Speaker 2>for nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I with seventy five days. What if it was just

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<v Speaker 1>shits and giggles. Yeah, I did it because I was

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<v Speaker 1>worried about my drinking, yes, and yes I do. I

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<v Speaker 1>do worry that I can't boody just go to a

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<v Speaker 1>social occasion like I don't go out that much. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we still get excited. And I tell you, my

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<v Speaker 1>family's all in christ and the first night down there,

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<v Speaker 1>every single time, I will wake up the next day

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<v Speaker 1>not feeling very well and I'm and we'll all go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we all got a bit excited, didn't we to be

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<v Speaker 1>back together again? So and as you know, I go

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<v Speaker 1>down and to see the family quite frequently, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be knocked on the head. And it just

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<v Speaker 1>makes me too bloody tired, especially drinking two or three

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<v Speaker 1>nights in a row, absolutely wrecked. And we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>lovely family occasions coming up at twenty first and a wedding,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and I want to be there for it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I want to get you to a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more mindful about the drinking. That's the last way of

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<v Speaker 1>putting it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I feel like I'm growing up a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit as well when I'm getting there. But look,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to talk about the reality of alcohol day.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the same way that we talk about everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is inn a lecture. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>take away a simple pleasure for you know, from.

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<v Speaker 1>You and tell you how to live your life.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just going to look at the impact alcohol has

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<v Speaker 2>on us, and we're going to look at how we

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<v Speaker 2>consider safety and corporate it into our lives, or how

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<v Speaker 2>you might want to rethink your relationship with alcohol and

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<v Speaker 2>how you'd go about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we're joined by Reed George ree As, a

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<v Speaker 1>Master Health coach who specializes a mental fitness at Alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>moderation and addictions who work combines compassion with science, helping

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<v Speaker 1>people understand the physiology behind how alcohol affects the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>body and overall well being. Resupports people to rethink their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with alcohol in a way that's practical, evidence based,

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<v Speaker 1>and free of judgment. She's here to help us today

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<v Speaker 1>to unpack the tricky truths about alcohol and the role

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<v Speaker 1>it plays in our lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Re welcome, Thank you lovely to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to have you with us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start off by saying, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be really honest. I didn't really want to have to

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<v Speaker 2>have this conversation because I think there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a few home truths that I know, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want reiterated.

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<v Speaker 1>But the more I.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of started thinking about it, and I love your

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<v Speaker 2>very positive approach to this topic, I just got quite

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<v Speaker 2>excited about today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think we both said very early on in

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<v Speaker 1>the Little Things, we're not going to do an alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>if are.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we both read we rarely should do an

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol episode, but we'll leave it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but we'll leave it for now. So here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, do you think I guess the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing is honesty around alcohol and our embibment of alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that most people are honest about it?

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<v Speaker 3>No, short answer.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting that you use the word should, Frantisca, because she'd know.

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<v Speaker 3>As a health coach, I look out for language, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think we often think we should do certain things,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially in this area, I think there's too One

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<v Speaker 3>is it's honestly with yourself, and the other one is

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<v Speaker 3>honesty with society and you know, maybe your GP if

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about it. So no, I think people find

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<v Speaker 3>it really hard to be honest with themselves about where

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<v Speaker 3>alcohol sits. And that's what I call cognitive dissonance. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>as people really know what's going on, but they have

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<v Speaker 3>trouble being honest about what they want to do about.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you go to your GP and they ask

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<v Speaker 1>you your weekly and even getting honest about what a

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<v Speaker 1>poor is, right, Ah, yes, because you know I always

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<v Speaker 1>say to my husband, that is just by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's your two glasses in that one poor. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know then I proceed to pour my own wife. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you didn't know. I definitely had made my Paul smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, how how dishonest are we being at the GP?

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<v Speaker 1>If they ask us, do you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Across the board, I'd have to say we are being

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<v Speaker 3>quite dishonest at the GP. But the GPS know that

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<v Speaker 3>I'll always add more mentally to whatever it's telling. Usually yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and they know what they're looking out for because metabolically,

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<v Speaker 3>your body won't lie. So you may say you're having

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<v Speaker 3>a set a mount, but if you have any tests

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<v Speaker 3>or car asol or go gos or like tests, it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to tell the truth gut tests, so you can't lie.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I think you're hopes that you're right, And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure my doctor just goes mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>What they're waiting for, though, is for someone to say,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a problem, can you help me?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>They're actually waiting for someone to ask, unless it's at

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<v Speaker 3>the stage where it needs to be said.

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<v Speaker 1>But most of us don't think we've got a problem

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<v Speaker 1>right until we really have a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And that's where we said, as health coaches, very

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<v Speaker 3>much mild to moderate and proactive preventative in the space

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<v Speaker 3>is why not address things when they're just in the

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<v Speaker 3>mild to moderate space rather than waiting and waiting and waiting.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>In season one, I think it was the little things

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<v Speaker 2>Nicky Pizant.

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<v Speaker 1>Said to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>She told us that alcohol is not a perimenopause or

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<v Speaker 2>menopause or woman's friend. And it's taken me a while

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<v Speaker 2>to grasp this, but I do feel the impact of

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol more.

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that our whole physiology changes around menopause, Hormones change,

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<v Speaker 3>metabolism slows down. So many things are affected anyway in

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<v Speaker 3>perimenopause and menopause, and alcohol just doesn't serve us. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not saying to not have any, but sometimes the amount

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<v Speaker 3>that we were possibly having beforehand we can't tolerate as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So explain that So in terms of is it our liver,

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<v Speaker 1>what part of our body is rejecting or not helping

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<v Speaker 1>us metabolize alcohol like we could when we were younger.

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<v Speaker 3>Physiologically, it's actually everything. But the liver can only detox

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<v Speaker 3>at a certain rate, so one standard drink per hour,

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<v Speaker 3>which is where we get ours standard drinks from, and

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<v Speaker 3>you can't speed that rate up. So there's lots of

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<v Speaker 3>other things going on. The liver is trying to do

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to digestion and food and all sorts

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<v Speaker 3>of things, and if we overload it with alcohol, it

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<v Speaker 3>just can't cope, and then the gut backs up, the

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<v Speaker 3>gut biomes affected, hormones are all over the show. Alcohol

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<v Speaker 3>can increase estrogen, which we know is linked to other things.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's just a cascade.

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<v Speaker 2>Because for me, it's more it's the way my brain

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<v Speaker 2>feels the next day. It's the way I think, It's

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<v Speaker 2>the way I feel. It's the grumpiness, it's the sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, slightly different to like I can still

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<v Speaker 2>get up and do my exercise, Like physically I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I can kind of. It doesn't hold me back,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's just it's just leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little cloud, yeah, a little, a little fuzziness,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sleep like I know that a lot of menopause,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman will wake up through the night anyway, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's the it's the sort of overthinking I think absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean sure, I'm sure they are a woman who

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<v Speaker 1>are overthinking a lot of us are overthinking all the

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<v Speaker 1>time anyway, but alcohol just makes that. It's what do

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<v Speaker 1>they call it the two am dreads or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, anyone that's had the two or three am

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<v Speaker 3>dreads knows exactly what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>What was I so weird about that?

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<v Speaker 2>For?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>So alcohol will reduce our really good quality deep sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>So even though we might go to sleep faster after

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of drinks, we actually don't recover well and

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<v Speaker 3>that can affect our mood and clarity, concentration, emotional regulation,

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<v Speaker 3>all the things the next day. So it's just and

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<v Speaker 3>it's a compound effect as well. If you're doing it

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<v Speaker 3>night after night and you're not getting great sleep, then mood,

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<v Speaker 3>mental health, oh so many things are affected.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a really good point you bring up there

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<v Speaker 1>about the compound effect. So you might say, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>only having one or two glasses a night. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're having them every night, yeah, then it is compounding.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you don't give yourself a decent break

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<v Speaker 1>kind of, that's when it all falls in a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And often there's lots of things going on. We

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<v Speaker 3>think about our careers at the stage in our lives,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe teenage children, elderly parents. We've got a lot

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<v Speaker 3>going on, and it just reduces our ability to cope

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<v Speaker 3>with all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I know when I have alcohol free days, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do have more than I used to, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little part of me that feels like I'm on holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a strange analogy? I don't know. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm free from something, and then I can quite often

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<v Speaker 1>go back into my old patterns.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I feel like I'm on holiday when I drink. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>because most of the time I'm trying.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to drink. That's interesting. There's a lightness about me

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<v Speaker 1>that I know is present when i'm But then again,

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<v Speaker 1>then something will happen, is either good or bad, And

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<v Speaker 1>a wine or is my go to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's a really good point. Love. It's often

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<v Speaker 3>why we drink or what we're using it for. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's one of the first places I'll start with clients

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<v Speaker 3>is if they're curious about the role alcohol is playing

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<v Speaker 3>in their lives. When does it tend to show up?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? Is it when things are great and you're celebrating.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it when things are challenging and you feel like

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<v Speaker 3>a wine at five o'clock is a treat? If so,

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<v Speaker 3>what other things could you use in that space? So

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<v Speaker 3>it's one thing to say, let's be curious about our

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<v Speaker 3>drinking and maybe reduce the alcohol. The next stage is actually,

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<v Speaker 3>what are we going to do instead? You know, what

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<v Speaker 3>are we going to put in there? I know you

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<v Speaker 3>guys are runners, so exercise or other things that people

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<v Speaker 3>might find that actually gives them that same feeling of

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<v Speaker 3>treat at the end of the day. So you're not

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<v Speaker 3>feeling any depriving yourself, you're actually doing what your body needs.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ask without you obviously giving away any you know,

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<v Speaker 2>patients or any any client information things, but what are

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the common reasons that people will say to

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<v Speaker 2>you when when they really when they work out their

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<v Speaker 2>why why they drink?

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<v Speaker 3>Stress, unhappiness, worry, anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're not the happy ones, They're not the happy

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<v Speaker 1>triggers are.

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<v Speaker 3>They generally know, but the irony is that alcohol will

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<v Speaker 3>make all of that worse. I know, we know this irony.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the cognitive dissonance that we see and do.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of the.

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<v Speaker 2>People who come to you do kind of know that,

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<v Speaker 2>but they just can't get from A to B. They

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<v Speaker 2>just can't put it all together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so we talk about the gap between the knowing

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<v Speaker 3>and the doing. Most of us know the no the

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<v Speaker 3>knowledge these days, and knowledge is that our fingertips these days.

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<v Speaker 3>But what we see is the gap between knowing and

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<v Speaker 3>doing is the hard part. That's where behavior change really sits.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's where we sit as health coaches to help

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<v Speaker 3>people bridge that gap. So they know the no, but actually,

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<v Speaker 3>let's help you put it into practice. You know, do

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<v Speaker 3>they do?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's really an interesting analogy if I

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<v Speaker 1>might say that the sometimes the alcohol bridges the gap

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<v Speaker 1>between the hum drum of life and bedtime and the

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<v Speaker 1>next day. Do you know what I mean? It's like, Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to cook the dinner again for the fourth time.

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<v Speaker 1>If I'm cooking dinner again for the fourth time this week,

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<v Speaker 1>the least I can do is give myself a we

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<v Speaker 1>treat whilst I'm doing it. And what little trick that

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<v Speaker 1>I've used was if no one is around, because no

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<v Speaker 1>one is tended around when the dinner's ready, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not talking to me while I'm making it. I started

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<v Speaker 1>filling the gap instead of having the wine with putting

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<v Speaker 1>watching something on Netflix whilst I'm cooking, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. But it's sometimes it's like, well, why

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<v Speaker 1>am I not okay? Just alone with my thoughts?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely there we go.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all interested to what do people do before they

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<v Speaker 1>had my bile devices to fill your time up?

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<v Speaker 2>But I do exactly the same. If I can get

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<v Speaker 2>to a suit now, if I can get two dinner time,

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<v Speaker 2>then I won't pull myself a glass of wine. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 2>so I try not to drink during the week. I

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<v Speaker 2>try and drink maybe one or two once or twice

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<v Speaker 2>a week, or look at this thing's happening. I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't if there's a celebration or a

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<v Speaker 2>booth day or something like that, I treat myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a strict rule, but just in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of my mind that's what I try and do. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know that I'm the same as Lou. I'm often

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<v Speaker 2>at home on my own preparing the meal. I to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, I'll put something on the iPad to watch

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<v Speaker 2>to entertain me while I'm doing it. But if I

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<v Speaker 2>can get through to actually sitting down at the table

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<v Speaker 2>without pouring that glass of wine, then I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need anything. Is that typical?

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<v Speaker 3>There's so common all the time. If you can get

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<v Speaker 3>through to that sort of time, generally you can do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then.

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<v Speaker 1>You wonder why you ever felt like that in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place.

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<v Speaker 3>These are all very normal and common thoughts, right, this

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<v Speaker 3>is what many people think.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I sometimes do is I will have an

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol free drink. So I'll have one of those mocktails

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<v Speaker 2>in a can that you can get from the supermarket

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<v Speaker 2>and things now. And I kind of am aware that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably just replacing, you know, one bad calori with

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<v Speaker 2>another bad calorie.

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<v Speaker 1>But it gets me through.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we would call that harm reduction, right in a way?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that? Yes, it will get you through, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a matter of saying, well, actually, if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want the alcohol, there's so many good alcohol free alternatives

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<v Speaker 3>out there now that doing something like that is a

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<v Speaker 3>step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>You're still going to have a drink.

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<v Speaker 3>You still feel like it's a treat, but it just

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have the alcohol in it. In fact, at the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning of twenty and twenty, I set myself in EXPI

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<v Speaker 3>I meant to have an alcohol for a year as

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<v Speaker 3>I was getting into health coaching and behavior change, to

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<v Speaker 3>see what it was like. We had no idea that

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<v Speaker 3>COVID was going to hit, but that was the year

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<v Speaker 3>that I had said I'd like to go alcohol free

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<v Speaker 3>for three hundred and sixty five days. You couldn't face

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<v Speaker 3>a better challenge, right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm constantly with the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one whole year, and then I went for another

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<v Speaker 3>six months. So now I've completely receipt my relationship with alcohol,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was through the toughest time I could possibly imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wanted to know what it was like for

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<v Speaker 3>someone who really wanted to make a change to a habit.

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<v Speaker 3>That made a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>If somebody does want to reset their relationship with alcohol,

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<v Speaker 2>how long does it take? Does it take a year

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<v Speaker 2>and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you can put a number on it

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<v Speaker 3>for everyone. It's quite different depending on circumstance. But when

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<v Speaker 3>you look at a dopamine detox we see a lot

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<v Speaker 3>about dopamine detoxes these days. Thirty days is generally a

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<v Speaker 3>good start, and we talk about it being an experiment,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's not lifelong necessarily. When you start, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>let's be curious about what alcohol, what life is like

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<v Speaker 3>for thirty days without alcohol in it, and then at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of that time you can have a really

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<v Speaker 3>deep think about what you want to do moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean a lot of people do drive July

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<v Speaker 1>every single year, and I remember doing it once and going,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, I cannot wait for the first of August.

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<v Speaker 1>Cannot And actually, when I got to the first of

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<v Speaker 1>August unless there was something on, there was absolutely no reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the it's about the reason for me anyway, is

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<v Speaker 1>there a reason for this? And I do think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably partly cultural. We do tend to well, let's

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<v Speaker 1>not pretend alcohol's involved in every celebration, even little kid's

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<v Speaker 1>birthday parties. I used to think, well, I better get

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<v Speaker 1>a few bottles of wine, and because when people come

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up their cat, I need to offer them

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<v Speaker 1>a glass of wine. What whin did they at the start?

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<v Speaker 1>Like we shouldn't eve that was silly.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, that's just having small children and the need to

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<v Speaker 2>reading class of social Please stay, I've just been here

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, ten five year olds for three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I need a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay and talk to me. The one thing about that

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<v Speaker 1>happening in COVID which would have been good, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is something I've found when I've stopped drinking at times,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you don't have to worry about having to

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<v Speaker 1>go out and socialize and pretend to be all, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>bright and ugly. Yeah, because I find if I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>non drinker, sometimes I'll have a great time and you're

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<v Speaker 1>driving home from the event and you go, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a buzz. I shouldn't have a buzz. I haven't been drinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, But it's the buzz of actually just being

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<v Speaker 1>able to drive yourself you an't home. But I did

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<v Speaker 1>find myself over that you know, one hundred days, which

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to only be seventy five. But I did

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<v Speaker 1>find myself less sociable because I found eventually I just

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<v Speaker 1>found it a bit boring being around people who were drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really good point, and I'm still quite social,

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<v Speaker 3>but I will now eject from a social situation at

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<v Speaker 3>nine o'clock quite happily. I'll go for an hour, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>have a drink, maybe not. But I don't have that

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<v Speaker 3>same foma I used to have. If I'm not drinking,

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<v Speaker 3>or if I go home early, I when to miss out.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually know for me that I would stay later.

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<v Speaker 3>Then i'd normally stay if I was drinking, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't feel great the next day. So I just

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<v Speaker 3>reset that and said, well, actually maybe I might go

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<v Speaker 3>out for an hour and a half kind of girl yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like and that's my max and that's what's

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<v Speaker 3>good for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's normalize that, shall we?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Or we're fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been experimenting, but this year, haven't we? And we've

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<v Speaker 1>sort of found the Sunday Sunday meet up at four

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<v Speaker 1>thirty or five. Now, no one well I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>some people might, but no one's going to get absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>hammered on it on a Sunday at four thirty or

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<v Speaker 1>five o'clock. And you can have a nice social hour

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<v Speaker 1>and a half with someone over one glass of wine

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<v Speaker 1>and have a proper catch up. And I'd rather spend

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<v Speaker 1>those calories on the fries.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a really great book called Lost Connections by Johann Hari,

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<v Speaker 3>and in it he states, you know, puts forward that

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the opposite of addiction is not sobriety, it's connection

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what we're all looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that on your website, and I've read parts

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<v Speaker 1>of that book from your heart, and I've follow on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is gosh, that's that's an incredible You have

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<v Speaker 1>to think about it a bit because you're like, is

0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that true? But it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what we're missing. And that's often when we're

0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.479
<v Speaker 3>standing at the kitchen bench with young kids cooking dinners,

0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 3>we're craving connection. So whether it's connection to ourselves, connection

0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.240
<v Speaker 3>to friends or others, or passion and purpose. You know,

0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.400
<v Speaker 3>often addiction can creep up on people. And I'm not

0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.359
<v Speaker 3>saying everyone's addictive, but you know, I can creep up

0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.480
<v Speaker 3>because we're lacking connection. So when you find the connection again,

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're sitting around on a Sunday with one

0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.159
<v Speaker 3>bottle of wine, three friends having a great time, you

0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.639
<v Speaker 3>might not need the same amount of alcohol because you

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:34.360
<v Speaker 3>actually getting the connection that you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Just going back to what Lou was talking about, and

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.159
<v Speaker 2>going out and socializing, and you mentioned that you've just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of come to the conclusion that you socialize a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit differently now and things, but there is still pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>And over the years I've had, you know, I used

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<v Speaker 2>to have sort of two months off during the year

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<v Speaker 2>where I'd stop drinking and going out and people trying

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<v Speaker 2>to force alcohol on you.

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<v Speaker 1>It did get quite tiring.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be able to go no, no, I'm fine, thanks,

0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to grab this or I've brought this,

0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.040
<v Speaker 2>or I've got that. I think it's getting better. I

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:09.240
<v Speaker 2>think we are better at going Oh great, what can

0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I get you? And I always make sure now that

0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I've got some lovely other option, non alcoholic options that

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<v Speaker 2>I can offer people. But what sort of tips do

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<v Speaker 2>you give people who want to make a change and

0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 2>who feel that pressure and just want to know a

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.080
<v Speaker 2>good way of getting around that when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>drinking and socializing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we do talk about this a lot with people

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<v Speaker 3>if they are looking at how they could approach social

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<v Speaker 3>situations and not drink. And it's what you mentioned before, Low,

0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 3>it's how would you have an exit plan or an

0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.040
<v Speaker 3>exit strategy? So it's often if you drive there and

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 3>you've got your own keys, then you've got a way

0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.879
<v Speaker 3>of leaving when you'd like to leave, it's enlisting the

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 3>help of a good friend or a buddy or a

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 3>colleague that's going to be there too, And that's your accountability. Buddy.

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Is you know, I'd really like to have a great

0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 3>night tonight, but possibly not drink. Can I come to

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.199
<v Speaker 3>you if I'm feeling like a I would like to

0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 3>get a drink or be a need to leave so

0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:02.760
<v Speaker 3>that somebody else is there that you can just say, hey,

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.399
<v Speaker 3>let's go having a couple of sentences in your back pocket,

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:08.679
<v Speaker 3>like I used to say, Oh, you know, like alcohol night,

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:11.239
<v Speaker 3>we're just having a we break, or you know, just

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:13.600
<v Speaker 3>something that you've got prepared so that if someone does

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:15.920
<v Speaker 3>start to push a little bit, you can bring humor

0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.199
<v Speaker 3>into it or lightness so it's not really heavy, but

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 3>you've got something you've prepared to say so that you

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 3>know you can speak up.

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a really good point, because I think people

0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:29.920
<v Speaker 1>do immediately well not I think you were right that

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>it was getting better, but there was a certain age

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 1>when we're in a much more fertile era that people

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>would just assume you were pregnant, which is a terrible

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.439
<v Speaker 1>assumption to make because of course you might just you know,

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.639
<v Speaker 1>be not drinking. And that's the funny thing when the

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>motivation's there, Like I've had three children, didn't even cross

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:50.840
<v Speaker 1>my mind to have a drink, you know, I never

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.160
<v Speaker 1>craved it. You're pregnant, you can't, and then your breastfeeding,

0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:56.560
<v Speaker 1>so you don't really either. And so there have been

0:23:56.800 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>large ways of time and maybe like you say, that's that. Well,

0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you've got a really important job to do, and you've

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 1>got a connection with this fetus, you know, and you

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:10.359
<v Speaker 1>just can quite easily say no. And then when they

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.640
<v Speaker 1>come out and they're driving you crazy, you're craving.

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And you know, the idea of willpower comes into

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 3>it a lot that white knuckling it through. It's really

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:23.720
<v Speaker 3>hard sometimes to white knuckle it through and just not drink.

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 3>So that's where all the other strategies and skills can

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.480
<v Speaker 3>come in, you know, maybe talking to other people that

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.880
<v Speaker 3>have successfully navigated it, having some ideas we just talked

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 3>about in your back pocket for social situations so that

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.120
<v Speaker 3>you have other strategies to ride the wave. We talk

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 3>about urge surfing, just to surf the urge for a

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 3>little while, because, like you say, it will pass, you know,

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:44.640
<v Speaker 3>you get to certain point in the evening and maybe

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:45.199
<v Speaker 3>it's passed.

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And that's that mindful thing, isn't it. I just

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>mindfulness is not just to make you is not designed

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>just to make you feel this ethereal being. It's actually

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:58.159
<v Speaker 1>to accept feelings exist and live with them, yea, and

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 1>that they will pass and that they will pass. Yeah, yeah, interesting.

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 3>I Actually there's a gin bar in Auckland at the

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 3>top of Queen Street, the Chamberlain, I think it's called,

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 3>And before COVID hit in twenty twenty, it was my

0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 3>ex husband and is anniversary, so he wanted to try

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 3>the gin bar. We wanted to try it, and I

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 3>rang ahead and I explained that I wasn't drinking, but

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 3>that I didn't want to sit there in February twenty

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 3>twenty and have like a lemonade or you know something,

0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 3>And so did they have any alcohol free gin alternatives?

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 3>And they did, and the manager said, when you guys arrived,

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.400
<v Speaker 3>just tell us and we'll make you an alcohol free

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 3>cocktail that looks exactly the same and everyone else, you know,

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.160
<v Speaker 3>so you can feel like no one really knows so little.

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Strategies like that can help.

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, planning your head preparing.

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>You're listening to the little things. And our guest on

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the podcast today is master health coach read George. We're

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about how alcohol affects our well being and how

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>we can rethink our relationship with alcohol. We'll be back

0:25:50.520 --> 0:26:04.440
<v Speaker 2>shortly after this break red. We spoke a little bit

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of the podcast about the impact that

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:09.919
<v Speaker 2>alcohol has on perimenopause and menopause or women, but it

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 2>actually has an impact on all of us and all

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:14.919
<v Speaker 2>times in our life. Maybe we could just you know,

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>we know so much more about alcohol. There's been so

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:21.159
<v Speaker 2>much more research done. Could we just touch on what

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:23.919
<v Speaker 2>it does impact what drinking, the impact it has on

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 2>our bodies, our brains, It impacts everything, doesn't.

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 3>It absolutely does. As a mental health coach, which was

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 3>my niche for a long time, I see the impact

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 3>of alcohol on our mood is huge. So anxiety is

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 3>a very real thing. That feeling of anxiety the next

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 3>day and the compound effect of alcohol on our mood.

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Then also with the brain, our ability to concentrate, clarity, focus,

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 3>all of those things are really related physiologically, is it

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 3>upping risks of.

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:57.679
<v Speaker 1>Other diseases?

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm moving more into the metabolic health space now,

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 3>and it does increase the chances of a lot of

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 3>metabolic diseases, chronic diseases, of which neurodegeneration is a massive one.

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 3>So looking after the health of our brains. Alcohol's not

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 3>serving us when it comes to mental mental health and brains.

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Why do we get a headache? I've heard various things.

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So I've heard that it was that the excess that

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.399
<v Speaker 1>the liver can't process turns into something and gives you

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>the headache? Is it or is it simplest dehydration?

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 3>Probably a combination of both, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I think if I wake up with a headache, I

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>used will care take a couple on your frind If

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I wake up with a headache, Now I feel a

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>little bit embarrassed about myself because I'm like, I'm like,

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you bloody knew that and you did it anyway, and now,

0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>poor head. I think I don't know where the menopause

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and having to think about it all the funny symptoms

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>of menopause makes you be more in your body and

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>more sympathetic to your own body. Maybe it does I

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know. For me, maybe it has because I feel

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:00.919
<v Speaker 1>more like a whole person and so I feel like

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. But I didn't used to feel like that.

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 1>So that's I guess that's a good thing.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's you, you know, your whole self compassion piece too.

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:11.600
<v Speaker 3>I think we get better at that as we get

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 3>older as well.

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Also, no one's going to make my day worse. Yep,

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:16.520
<v Speaker 1>and read.

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>There's you know, we've made some pretty substantial connections between

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 2>alcohol and cancer and various cancers, haven't we.

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:26.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely. I think there's seven cancers that alcohol has

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 3>been shown to increase the risk. Of the main ones

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:33.680
<v Speaker 3>for women is breast cancer because alcohol can increase the

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 3>production of estrogen, which we know is linked to breast cancer.

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 3>And then all the cancers are the mouth and throat

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 3>and bowel cancer.

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. I did read about the mouth and throat

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's obviously the same for what ever gender you are.

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy that such a carcinogen is so so acceptable

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and free. Yeah, like we I mean, when we didn't

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 1>know about cigarettes. Obviously, cigarettes were touted as a way

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>to relax, and then we knew and then for a

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>large proportion of the population. We were able to go, oh, well,

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>that's just not something I've ever going to do.

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if we ever have a conversation on news talks

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>would be our lovely listeners. If you ever have a

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>talk about conversation and talking about cannabis, people just run

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>and just go alcohol. You know that to them is

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the beginning and the end of their argument. We have

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:25.360
<v Speaker 2>legalized this this product, and you know, people take it

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 2>freely and willingly, and we sort of tell people what

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 2>the consequences are, but maybe not clearly enough. You know,

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting, Hey, does alcohol affect men and women differently?

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 3>It can, Like anything with metabolism, it's quite different from

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 3>men and women. And also size of the body when

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 3>you think about it. Just you know, bigger people have

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 3>more water. They can often drink more than smaller.

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Because there's this thing about lu saying, oh, when I

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 2>wait with a headache, water is that I was wondering.

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you have two drinks and you go, gosh, I

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>feel relatedly, and then other times you get through a

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>bottle and you go, well, it hasn't touched the Yeah,

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>And I'm kind of like I have two nice little

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 2>glasses and I'm sitting here going okay, yeah, that's I think.

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm on I follow a few this soberish mum and

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>something else on Instagram with some other woman. And she's

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 1>really curious because she said, she said exactly that. She said,

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>here's a tip for people who want to cut down

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>their alcohol. Have two standard drinks over a you know,

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 1>a reasonable amount of time, and stop there and think

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>about if you've got a little bit of a buzz on.

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>If you've got a little bit of a buzz on,

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 1>more alcohol is going to ruin it. So stop right there.

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Wow, that is so bloody sensible.

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 3>Easier said than done, though right.

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>The circumstances, there's got lots of great advice.

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 3>When I hear that, what I hear is the idea

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 3>of data points. So there's a really amazing woman, any

0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Grace over in the States, and she's written a book

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 3>called This Naked. If anyone's come across it, and if

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 3>someone's doing a thirty day alcohol experiment trying to reduce

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 3>alcohol or remove it, then if they do happen to drink,

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 3>we call it a data point. It's just data. There's

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 3>no judgment. Let's be curious about that. Rather than you know,

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 3>all the other things, and so those data points. If

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 3>you have two drinks one night, we look at the

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.760
<v Speaker 3>data what was leading up to that, you know, what

0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 3>happened earlier in the day, what did you eat, what's

0:31:24.560 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 3>your emotional regulation like, what's your stress sybils like? And

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 3>then if someone has a bottle, we do the same thing.

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 3>And so you can often look back and say, on

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 3>certain days when I've been pushed to the nth degree,

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 3>really stressed, worried, whatever, the two drinks are not even

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:40.239
<v Speaker 3>going to touch the site, you know, Like, it can

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 3>be quite insightful if you look back and say, what

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 3>was leading.

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Up too, okay, because I really, oh, I haven't I

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 2>haven't eaten enough today.

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>But then sometimes go yeah I have, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 3>It can just effect us in different ways, depending on

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 3>so many things.

0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what's complex.

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned any Grace there, and I had to immediately

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>quickly google her because The Alco Whole Experiment is a

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>book that she wrote, and that was the first book.

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is quite a while ago, twenty eighteen

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 2>it came out and it was given to me, and

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 2>it was the first time someone truly explained to me

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 2>addiction and why we want to drink, the psychology behind it.

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 2>I suppose of why you reach for that glass of

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>wine each night.

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>It made you.

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Sort of understand, It made me understand sort of it

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>in a big context. I suppose that was a really Yeah.

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 3>We use it a lot with clients. And her other one,

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 3>This Naked Mind, is really good too, because I think

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 3>when people want to make a change to their relationship

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 3>to alcohol, you do need to upscale about the knowledge

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.960
<v Speaker 3>to really be informed about why you're making the change

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 3>that you're making. I think if people don't know, it's

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 3>really hard to sustain that behavior change. So her books

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 3>are great for anyone who wants to start learning about

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 3>the knowledge behind it.

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>So the person who can, who has always been able

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to take or leave a drink right and a tray

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of champagne is coming past you or winning and they go, oh, no,

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm good things. I would you know is that luck?

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 3>Or is that is that it's a combination of things,

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 3>partly genetics. We know there is definitely a genetic component

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 3>to it. I have lived experience with that, which is

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 3>part of my passion for this space, and it's like

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 3>a switch. So the genetic component can be there, but epigenetics,

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 3>thatid idea of how we can change our lifestyle around it,

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 3>can determine whether or not that that switches flicked.

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I mean you've got to flick that switch yourself.

0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 3>It can be flicked.

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 3>So I guess if you know that there is a

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 3>tendency maybe family history, I would on the side of

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 3>caution and ask people to be a little bit more

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 3>aware of where it sits with them. Yeah.

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that's fascinating because I come from a family where

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>my parents weren't large drinkers, but as a large broader family,

0:33:52.920 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>alcohol was at most family events, certainly funerals yea and

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Irish family, and then of course there was rugby and

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>clubrooms and all of that stuff. And a bit like

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 1>what we were talking about with another guest that they

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>thought that that day in the future where where you'll

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>moderate or you'll stop, or you'll change, then you get

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>to I think menopause for me anyway of actually physiologically

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>feeling different, going, Oh, actually that day is fast approaching.

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I need to actually address this. And I was thinking

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>about this in relation to my children who are teenagers.

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Now I know they probably don't want us to talk

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>about this, but you know, can you be a bit

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and shrinker when you're young? Can you afford to be

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>a bin drink ever?

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Short answer, no, bin drinking will have an effect on

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 3>your body and your mind right. But I have worked

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 3>with people who would put themselves in that category and

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 3>then they got to a point where that was affecting things.

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 3>And that's the definition of addiction is when you're doing

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 3>something that has a new give effect on relationships or

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 3>education or finances, but you continue to do it, and

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 3>some people will get to the point where it l

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 3>like this is not serving me. I need to get

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.640
<v Speaker 3>some help. Young people these days, though, I'm finding, are

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 3>very aware of this, and if anything, they are coming

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 3>through a little bit more self aware about where alcohol sits.

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 3>I also have teenagers. I'm not sure if they're quite

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 3>there yet, but you know, definitely twenties and early thirties,

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 3>whatever generation that is. The options of alcohol free alternatives

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.959
<v Speaker 3>are being taken up a lot more by them, and.

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I think they're a bit more in bolding just to

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>say too, no, I'm not doing it tonight or whatever.

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, they can't afford it, They.

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Can't afford it, and they can see the negative impacts

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 3>of it, possibly when they're looking at, you know, other

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 3>people in their lives and maybe choosing not to that.

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.319
<v Speaker 2>I said to one of my kids the other day, Ree,

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 2>who is in Canterbury and christ Church at University of

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Canterbury and loves to ski, to me the other day, I said,

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.759
<v Speaker 2>don't need alcohol ruin an amazing What something amazing you

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:06.360
<v Speaker 2>want to do the next day?

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that.

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's something that somebody told me, who was a runner,

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>who said to me, I don't I'm going on this

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.640
<v Speaker 2>great adventure tomorrow morning, and I'm going on this great run.

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't want alcohol to ruin that. And it made

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>me sort.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Of think a little bit differently about my drinking. And

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I passed this song to my child, who then announced

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 2>that they were perfectly capable of hitting the bush in

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and going skiing the next day because they're young. And

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>the okay, that didn't hurt, but you know they were

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 2>one day.

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>But those Francis because loves an early morning run, right,

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.720
<v Speaker 1>and if I if I want company, then I've learned

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>to just go on an early run. And those Saturday

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>mornings we head up to the y chakarees are great

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>because that Friday night, I'm like, well, I do not

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>want to get up there and feel CD when this

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>beautiful environment and it's always Saturday night to have a drink.

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 1>Also a franchis grow and I socialize. It's quite often

0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>on a Sunday because you work on a Sunday morning,

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's sort of like it's a Friday, it's your Friday.

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>So she's feeling peppy, you ready to have a glass

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>of rose it but it's nice and again we shorter,

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of more quality. I think catch ups.

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 3>And what you've both alluded to is what we work

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 3>with in this space with health coaching is what really

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 3>matters to you and how is this getting in the way.

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 3>So if it's the early morning runs or if it's

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.240
<v Speaker 3>something else, it's really important. But you're finding alcohols getting

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 3>in the way of that. That's where you can really

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 3>start to focus and say, hey, if you really want

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 3>this thing tomorrow or this thing down the track, let's

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 3>have a look at work. Alcohol is maybe holding it

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:37.920
<v Speaker 3>back a little bit.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I know there's been times where I could drink nearly

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>a bottle of wine and still get up and do

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 1>that and not and it really and go and pretend

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to myself it wasn't. Again, it's about this being honest

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>with yourself. It wasn't really affecting me. But of course

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I would have done better and gone faster and enjoyed

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>it more without it. But just because you can doesn't

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>mean you should.

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 3>And metabolically, if we're looking at physiology of our bodies,

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 3>it just it's it's not serving us. So, yes, you

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 3>could still do the run, but think about how your

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.799
<v Speaker 3>muscles are getting oxygen. And my backgrounds physiotherapy, so I

0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 3>always think that the body is like, actually, you could

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 3>do it, but are you getting the best out of

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 3>that run? Are you more prone to injury? Are your

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 3>muscles really going to be doing what they are designed

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 3>to do?

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And when you're on a trail you do have to

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>be somewhat sharp. You don't want to something you know,

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it's I'm a bit of a fall around.

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 2>I was just about to say, we're hard pushed to

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 2>find an event that.

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's clarity and focus to isn't it. It wasn't

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 3>because I want a BUIKRL whatever.

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 2>So you might be thinking about rethinking your relationship with

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>alcohol might not be a problem just yet, but you

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 2>might be thinking about it if you if you definitely

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 2>do have a problem. Is there do we have a

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 2>definition for an addict or is it just when alcohol

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 2>impacting your life or the amount you drink?

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 3>How do you know if you there are working definitions

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 3>of where addiction sits if it's affecting the things we

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 3>mentioned before, But most people will know most people will

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 3>have that gut feeling they wake up the next morning,

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 3>and that's that cognitive dissonance.

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 1>So you don't have to get to like rock bottom, right,

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing, and that's.

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Where we sit. That's where I am so passionate. Is

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 3>I've seen people get to rock bottom. I have lived

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 3>through people very close at rock bottom. And if we

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.560
<v Speaker 3>can help in that mild to moderate even mild, you know,

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 3>that's where conversations can take place.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's probably where the majority of people

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 1>absolute and we might in the back of our mind

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>be going, oh, I really should address this again, you know,

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>kicking the can down the road a bit. Is there

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 1>a I mean, I guess there's not a timeframe when

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:54.319
<v Speaker 1>it's more just waking up that morning going eat year.

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't want this for myself.

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, And it could be as easy as having a

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 3>chat with a friend, you know, just checking with a

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 3>friend about it. And it doesn't need to be anything

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 3>huge to start with. It's just maybe saying the words

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 3>out loud to a trusted, confident or someone that loves

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 3>you to say, hey, this is what I'm thinking. And

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:11.479
<v Speaker 3>then if you do decide that you need some help,

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of different ways you can find support

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 3>out there to take the next step.

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I think I have been guilty of I've definitely said

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>it to you. I said to you, if I can't

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.359
<v Speaker 1>moderate my drinking, I'm just going to stop. I'm sure

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I've said that more than once. And then yeah, I can't.

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the where the reset that's got me

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 1>thinking today, Actually, lou what you need as a reset?

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I had it when I was ill and I was

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.320
<v Speaker 1>recovering and I didn't drink for ages and ages and ages.

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 1>And then I went on this fabulous holiday and you know,

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:41.399
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to be here after a beautiful day

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 1>out and the you know, yeah, and so I started again.

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying I'm you know, absolutely piss heead, but.

0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Gray area drinking is a thing and gray area drinking

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 3>where you're just not sure. Sometimes you try and moderate,

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 3>sometimes you try not to. Like that actually takes more energy,

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not going to drink for a certain amount

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 3>of time because once you've decided that, you've taken the

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 3>decision making out of it each day. I'm now at

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 3>this stage where I can drink if i'd like to,

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 3>I cannot drink if I don't want to. You know,

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 3>I've reset it that way. But gray area drinking, if

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 3>anyone's sitting in that space trying to moderate, that's actually harder.

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it takes more energy.

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned maybe just say it out loud, mention

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 2>it to a friend, have a start a conversation about it.

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 2>You might feel you do need some help. What are

0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the other sort of practical steps that somebody could do

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 2>who was just thinking of resetting?

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 3>Having a chat with your GP is a great place

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 3>to start if you've got a good relationship with a GP,

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.840
<v Speaker 3>because they have a whole heap of referral partners at

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 3>their fingertips that they could help guide you to. There

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:51.800
<v Speaker 3>are quite a few health coaches working in the space

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 3>private practices. You could google health coaching alcohol coaches are

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.839
<v Speaker 3>trained to listen and to ask powerful questions to get

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 3>you thinking and to increase your own insight. So they're

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 3>not experts out there that's going to tell you more

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>of the same kind of knowledge. They're designed to help

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 3>you move forward with your own decision making.

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I certainly know lots of friends who have said to me,

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>just wish there was somewhere I could go for six weeks,

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you see on American TV shows. Maybe

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.280
<v Speaker 1>not twenty eight days, but you know one of those places.

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.439
<v Speaker 1>It's in the woods somewhere, and there's y gogur every

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 1>morning in a beautiful you know, perfectly adjusted food for

0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:28.919
<v Speaker 1>you every day, and you have a counseling session every day.

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Those don't really exist here, do they.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 3>We do have some, oh we do. We do have

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.520
<v Speaker 3>some here in New Zealand. Absolutely. But the thing is

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 3>that it's about being able to regulate all this in

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 3>the real world.

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but hopefully Yeah.

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 3>One of my favorite quotes is finding peace in the

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 3>midst of chaos. It's not going and meditating on a

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.319
<v Speaker 3>mountain for ten days. It's actually bringing this into our

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 3>real lives.

0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Won't be a bad start, though.

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 2>How do we if there is if we've got a partner,

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>or a family member or a dear friend and we

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>are concerned about their drinking and the impact that's having

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 2>on them. It's a conversation, which I've learned over the years,

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really generally go down, well, how do you? How

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>can you start that conversation with someone that you might

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 2>be worried about?

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 3>I agree it's a tough one, opening the conversation up

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 3>with love and compassion and understanding without judgment. Often it's

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 3>when they're sober and remorseful.

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's when you want to get them.

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 3>It's hard hurting a but yeah, if it's at the

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.320
<v Speaker 3>nth degree. If someone is currently sober so not drinking

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 3>at that time, but they're remorseful about something that's happened,

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 3>that is often a time where a loving, compassionate, curing conversation.

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess you're right. It's when the door is just

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>slightly open, isn't it to saying if you really feel

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 1>that way or you.

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, and asking them, you know, like a powerful question,

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 3>are you okay? I've noticed this? You could talk about

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 3>the impact it's having on you. If it's someone you

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 3>know that I've noticed that the of your drinking, this

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 3>is what it's having on me, and then leave space

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:05.720
<v Speaker 3>for them to talk.

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 1>It's very easy if it's a person you're living with,

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 1>to enable each other a bit, isn't it Like, Okay,

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we don't normally drink through the week, but but there's

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 1>that butt of wine and we've both had a rough day,

0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 1>and let's open that sort of thing, and the we

0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:21.839
<v Speaker 1>can fall into that trap a little bit and well,

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>well it's red wine, so it's okay.

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that can also work in your favor, is

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 3>to enlist the support of that person if you're both

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.800
<v Speaker 3>able to help. Yeah, So it can work in both ways.

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 3>It can.

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:36.879
<v Speaker 1>So it just takes one person to say, well, no,

0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 1>because we don't drink through the week.

0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and can we do this together?

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 3>Difficult though.

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 2>And then if you want to support that person, what's

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 2>what's the most important thing you can do?

0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Is it not drinking with them.

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Or not necessarily yeah, because because that might not be

0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 2>sustainable going forward.

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really about that person figuring out what they

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 3>need to successfully not to drink. And it's not always

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 3>that there's no alcohol in the house or that the

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 3>people that live with them don't drink. But that's a

0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 3>really tough one, really tough.

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>It makes you think because differently, we don't keep a

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:21.879
<v Speaker 1>cellar that's for settin, but there would you know, there's

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 1>always a couple of bottles bought in the supermarket shop

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and leaving them in the shelves.

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's temptations. Yeah, what can work to is

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.359
<v Speaker 3>increasing friction between us and the habit that we don't

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.960
<v Speaker 3>want to be doing right. So if the alcohol is

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.759
<v Speaker 3>not there, it's much harder to then get it. So

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:37.399
<v Speaker 3>it could be that you remove it for a little while,

0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 3>or I've worked with people who just put it somewhere else,

0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 3>or lock it away, or have it away from the

0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 3>person who needs to increase the friction between them.

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 1>We're not a family that ever have. My daughter rang

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:50.479
<v Speaker 1>me from the bottle store last night, in fact, and said,

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>but if we got these straight, so I might just

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>get some mixes. I'm like, you know what, we don't

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>have any straight booze in the house. I think maybe

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:05.080
<v Speaker 1>when we got straight, I didn't know what it was anything.

0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I know the kids said completely different teams. Yeah, we

0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>just don't have it tally alcohol free beer. I do

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>find quite useful to have in the house if I'm not.

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I had an alcohol free beer the other day at

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 2>a function, and I could not believe how far it

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 2>has come. It tasted like a normal beer. I know,

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>hard to drink beer, so but I just went.

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 3>And the last five things have come so far, I

0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 3>still haven't found a good alcohol free red wine or rose.

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.879
<v Speaker 1>No, They're a bit harder to come by. Yeah, And

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean part of me is like, if I'm not

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>going to do it, I just you know. And also

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:46.879
<v Speaker 1>I actually found I did use alcohol free wines when

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I was doing my one hundred slash seventy five days

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and and and there was something about the process to

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:57.040
<v Speaker 1>remove the alcohol that increased something else and it gave

0:46:57.080 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>me a headache.

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 3>It's actually not great they make. My understanding is they

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 3>make the alcohol wine and then remove the alcohol from it.

0:47:05.840 --> 0:47:08.640
<v Speaker 1>So and the extraction process might include I don't know.

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not begging it. I'm sure it has

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.400
<v Speaker 1>a place, and I'm sure they're working on getting it

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:16.840
<v Speaker 1>really really beautiful, but I'd rather just wait and have that,

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there are a few other people who

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 2>are not using like non alcohol manufacturers who are doing it.

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Differently, and I think it would be good.

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks that if rosees packed and rose is quite,

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty good, I must say, for a special.

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 1>So I was just gonna ask about we tell ourselves

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>things like red wine is not as bad as blah

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. Is that nonsense?

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:46.320
<v Speaker 3>Red wine still has alcoholis supposed to you.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:53.000
<v Speaker 1>The dan but or whatever the guy zones. He phrases

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:59.320
<v Speaker 1>he's at one hundred years. No he's not, but he's hundred.

0:47:59.440 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh no.

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>They who talks.

0:48:00.480 --> 0:48:01.839
<v Speaker 3>About talks about antivity.

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, he talks about the red wine and the

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Europeans and the Mediterraneans, you know, just having but they

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 1>have tiny, tiny glasses and they sit around and.

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 3>They eat real food and during the day up and done.

0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 3>How is it they do all the thing?

0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 1>But what he's what he's really pushing there always is

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it's the socialization. It's the connection and moderation. Yeah, so

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 1>they're not sitting around getting wasted every night together.

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:27.319
<v Speaker 3>It's the intention behind it. Yeah, big time.

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to just quickly before we wrap this up, Breeze,

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.200
<v Speaker 2>talk about our drinking guidelines, because that is what a

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of people do refer to, or that is where

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot about education comes from. Our drinking guidelines say

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that to stay low risk, men should have no more

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 2>than fifteen drinks per week, women ten. I know that

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:51.360
<v Speaker 2>quite a few countries are changing their guidelines. Are we

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:56.760
<v Speaker 2>up to speed? Do you think these the guidelines are sensible?

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:03.120
<v Speaker 3>They're very high guidelines. A lot of countries are reducing

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:07.360
<v Speaker 3>their guidelines. What I've found is that they're not a target,

0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:09.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, they're like a guideline.

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Actually it's a good point.

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.279
<v Speaker 3>And with the guidelines at standard drinks, but you've got

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:18.319
<v Speaker 3>to remember that standard drinks are much smaller than we

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 3>would naturally pour ourselves a hot so one bottle of

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.320
<v Speaker 3>wine seven hundred and fifty mils, it's something like seven

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:28.280
<v Speaker 3>or standard drinks, which if we've only got ten standard

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 3>drinks in a week, that you know, it doesn't take

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:33.799
<v Speaker 3>much to realize that the guidelines.

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Are Yeah, because Canadas think God done to two.

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>No, they've recommended it to me, it hasn't been taken

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.319
<v Speaker 2>on board. But my GPS said that to me. You know,

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 2>she was trying to make it really clear to me

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:47.400
<v Speaker 2>that other countries. Here in New Zealand, we're not really

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:50.080
<v Speaker 2>stepping up to the plate and I know that they're

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.359
<v Speaker 2>being looked at the moment, but but you know, her

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 2>point to me was, you know they're saying two a week.

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:59.399
<v Speaker 2>That was a recommendation from from a from a health

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:01.839
<v Speaker 2>organization in Canada. They haven't taken that on board yet,

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, that's how extreme they want it to

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 2>go in order to get the message across, you know,

0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 2>about what low risk really is.

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we haven't even talked about that. And this is

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.759
<v Speaker 1>not the forum necessarily about all the social harm that

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 1>alcohol does as well. So you know, leaving these things

0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 1>relatively high seems a bit, you know, a little bit naughty.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 1>But is it? Is it politics? Is it the what

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 1>do they call them, the lobbyists, or is that impacting it?

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Or is it is it evidence based?

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Think it's probably a bit of all of the above.

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 3>But from my where I come from, with health, even

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:46.319
<v Speaker 3>less than the guidelines are still going to have an

0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.960
<v Speaker 3>impact on your body and your the lower lowered guidelines

0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 3>I would definitely support when it comes to health and

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:52.200
<v Speaker 3>well being in.

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 2>And look at as politics. So in July this year,

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:59.800
<v Speaker 2>and OIA Request uncovered a few issues in New Zealand.

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:01.919
<v Speaker 2>One the question as to where the alcohol guidelines would

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:03.800
<v Speaker 2>come under the Ministry of Health or Health New Zealand.

0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Initially it was with Health New Zealand, but it was

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:09.240
<v Speaker 2>also discovered that Health New Zealand found New Zealand's official

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Low Risk Drinking guidelines were outdated and understated the health

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:18.880
<v Speaker 2>risks of alcohol. However, the efforts to upgrade update the

0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 2>guidelines were halted after alcohol lobbyists complained with the Ministry

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.759
<v Speaker 2>of Health General Manager. Then the Ministry of Health was

0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:26.919
<v Speaker 2>given the job of mannington the guidelines, which are now

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 2>on hold. So you don't Yes, there's absolutely an awful

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:32.000
<v Speaker 2>lot of politics involved and a lot of people are

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 2>having their saying what the guidelines should be. And I

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.359
<v Speaker 2>think you just probably summed it up really nicely there.

0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Rate alcohol is alcohol.

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 1>So our body doesn't know what the guidelines are. You know,

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:42.839
<v Speaker 1>our liver doesn't know what the guidelines are. So let's

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 1>just reduce our own use and really analyze why we're

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 1>doing it.

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a very personal thing, you know, the effect

0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:54.800
<v Speaker 3>it has on you and where it sits in your life.

0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:58.239
<v Speaker 3>So that's probably my takeaway from today is just taking

0:51:58.320 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 3>a pause. You know a lot of people are auto pilot,

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.800
<v Speaker 3>just pause and reflect on where it sits in your life.

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you know anything about these things that you can take.

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to get away with this, by the way,

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 1>but the z biotics and stuff that the hyundi and

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>that did they work? Are they real?

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:19.840
<v Speaker 3>That's what you take resept They don't change your body's

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 3>detox pathways of alcohol, right.

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:23.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're not for me.

0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 3>They are like a band aid on a cut. It'll

0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:29.440
<v Speaker 3>be trying to reduce the feeling you get of the

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:33.799
<v Speaker 3>hangover the next day. Metabolically, it's going to be just

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 3>as bad for you if not, you know, it's Yeah, No,

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:39.960
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't recommend them. They just they're not going to

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.080
<v Speaker 3>stop what we know is going to happen anyway.

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, it's just gonna so they're not They're not

0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:47.399
<v Speaker 1>offering any protective metabolic factor at the end of the day.

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:49.879
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't believe so. And if anything, it might

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.919
<v Speaker 3>lead people to drink more thinking that they can get

0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 3>away with it. Yeah.

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of weird, isn't it. I'll take this so

0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I can drink more when I could just strictly and

0:52:59.239 --> 0:52:59.799
<v Speaker 1>slow down.

0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:02.720
<v Speaker 3>There's the thing. It's like two different things that cancel

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.200
<v Speaker 3>each other out. But you know that's.

0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Humans for you.

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:07.440
<v Speaker 3>But we are we're complex.

0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Ray. I can't thank you enough for your time today

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.279
<v Speaker 2>and for this conversation. I found seeing quite positive about

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the stories.

0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:14.919
<v Speaker 1>That's good.

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:16.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, as I said to you, a little

0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 2>bit hesitant. I think it's this conversation. But actually I

0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.799
<v Speaker 2>think we're I think we've been quite I think we're

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>on it.

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, totally. I think that there is always

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:29.319
<v Speaker 1>that little thing that goes if I do start to

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 1>analyze really why I'm doing this, what of it? There's

0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>just that can of worms feeling a little bit, you know,

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.360
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not. I'm not worried. The worms need to

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>come out and be binned.

0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 2>So George, thank you so much. Where do people find you?

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Think you'll find me anywhere. I'm sure if you google

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:46.719
<v Speaker 3>red George will come up health coaching. I have a

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<v Speaker 3>website dub dub dub dot Regeorge dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there's a lot of information on there. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>really useful. Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Fore, thanklcha, Thank you both.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're gonna go home and tiple your wine down

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<v Speaker 1>the Saint Francisco.

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<v Speaker 2>No because we're like, yeah, we don't have a huge

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:19.240
<v Speaker 2>amount in the in the house at all times anyway,

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:20.600
<v Speaker 2>which is probably.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it called hum reduction. I didn't play. We had

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<v Speaker 1>before children, we had a seller and we had yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I had dabbled in wine making at one point.

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<v Speaker 1>That's and I had a lot of wine making friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And though I was intended ever to just open that

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<v Speaker 1>really special bottle of wine, it was I was quite

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.319
<v Speaker 1>a bit. I can't remember when we must have just

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:46.640
<v Speaker 1>busted in there and rigged it, do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought. I just love Ree's approach, which is completely

0:54:55.400 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 2>lacking in judgment, you know, just wants to encourry people

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 2>to have a little think about their alcohol consumption. You know,

0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing a bit of a metabolism reset this year,

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and part of that has been the alcohol. And you know,

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I've had to sort of have a think about a

0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.000
<v Speaker 2>few things about why you drink and how it makes

0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>you feel and being honest with myself about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely benefiting from drinking less. I get that. But

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<v Speaker 2>if she says it's personal too, so yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you don't. You don't need to do what your friend

0:55:34.200 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 2>does or your partner does or something like that. This

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 2>is just something for you to have a think about

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<v Speaker 2>about how it impacts your life, the role it plays

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<v Speaker 2>in your life, the place you want to have it

0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:45.719
<v Speaker 2>to play in your life, and even if you're just

0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.520
<v Speaker 2>at some point this week go for a walk and

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:49.400
<v Speaker 2>quietly think about it to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a box ticked. And I hope,

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, I hope that if when we open this today,

0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 1>that this topic today and you went, oh, well, I

0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:00.319
<v Speaker 1>don't really drink very much, I can take it, leave it,

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that you keep listening because there will be someone in

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:06.560
<v Speaker 1>your life who could be struggling with it. And you know,

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:08.560
<v Speaker 1>bloody good on you if you're a person who can

0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:12.800
<v Speaker 1>take it or leave it, and particularly at a special occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I think what we said also about

0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:18.319
<v Speaker 1>it being so personal and just meeting yourself where you are,

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:19.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's not easy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not easy for the people who want to make

0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 2>a decision, want to make a change, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>whatever way you can support people is really important.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, absolutely, I love that. Did you get some

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 2>joy this week?

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<v Speaker 1>I got bundles?

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, we did the interview with Nadine and

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I left and my tie was completely flattened on the

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:45.439
<v Speaker 1>rim of my moped. By the way, if you've seen

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:47.040
<v Speaker 1>me around that, I'm the nutter on the moped. But

0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.839
<v Speaker 1>I went round to this is it beat trod down

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:55.200
<v Speaker 1>here the BP and it's sevastation or proper sevistation with

0:56:55.239 --> 0:56:56.920
<v Speaker 1>people in it, you know, like a guy behind the

0:56:56.960 --> 0:57:00.960
<v Speaker 1>counter came out and helped me. And I haven't really

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:02.879
<v Speaker 1>needed to use that first of all free year. How

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.880
<v Speaker 1>good is that? I mean, it's pretty cool. Nothing's free.

0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:06.880
<v Speaker 1>There are still.

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<v Speaker 2>People working the way, but they're just not on the court.

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:11.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right. They're not doing your picture for you. And

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.200
<v Speaker 1>therefore I'd stopped thinking about them. I just think about

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the people who you pay.

0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:17.640
<v Speaker 2>You've got some customer suits. I got a customer service

0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:18.560
<v Speaker 2>and it was a joy.

0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>And yes, and then this is the crazy crazy thing.

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm at my local supermarket, which is quite some distance

0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:28.439
<v Speaker 1>from that petrol station, picking up where it was all

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:34.560
<v Speaker 1>of wine anyway, and I hear this voice behind me going, oh,

0:57:34.600 --> 0:57:37.400
<v Speaker 1>you got your tire fix then? And what? And I

0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:41.560
<v Speaker 1>turned around it was him and I said, I have really,

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:44.040
<v Speaker 1>do you get the chance to thank the person who

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 1>gave you a favor you think you're never going to

0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:47.360
<v Speaker 1>see them again. I said, I want to tell you,

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I've told so many people about your kindness and you

0:57:50.520 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 1>know how how love you. He just looked at me

0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:57.360
<v Speaker 1>like I was crazy. That's okay, And I didn't also

0:57:57.400 --> 0:57:59.280
<v Speaker 1>want to tell him, No, I haven't got my tire fix.

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:03.439
<v Speaker 1>It just hasn't got down again. So that was my joy?

0:58:04.040 --> 0:58:06.240
<v Speaker 1>What about you? My joy is really simple.

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<v Speaker 2>This week I got back to pottery and I made

0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 2>something with my hands, and I forgot about the real

0:58:11.120 --> 0:58:14.400
<v Speaker 2>world and everything in it for a couple of hours.

0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 2>And I created something, and I played, and I just

0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:20.400
<v Speaker 2>took time out and I was creative and I don't know,

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:21.920
<v Speaker 2>just repairs my brain.

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can get a wheel at home when you

0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:28.240
<v Speaker 1>feel like a drink. You can just see your hands

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and some clay. No, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I just think we forget to play, and

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I think we forget to take a moment

0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and be creative. And yeah, it's nice to make something tangible.

0:58:40.640 --> 0:58:43.000
<v Speaker 1>As absolutely there. I can't wait to start seeing some

0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff. Yes, well, yeah, I'm not saying it's

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>any good. No, not quite all right then.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for joining us on our new Zealand Hill

0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.160
<v Speaker 2>podcast series, The Little Things. We hope you share this

0:58:57.200 --> 0:58:58.960
<v Speaker 2>podcast with the woman in your life. We can all

0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:00.400
<v Speaker 2>have a guilt free rose ocasionally.

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.000
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