1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,653 --> 00:00:19,933 Speaker 2: Motorcyclists across New Zealand are taking a stand against proposed 4 00:00:19,973 --> 00:00:23,093 Speaker 2: increases to acc levies by putting their registrations on holden. 5 00:00:23,133 --> 00:00:26,092 Speaker 2: Protests rights say the planned hikes are unfear poorly targeted 6 00:00:26,133 --> 00:00:29,932 Speaker 2: and could make riding unaffordable. To unpack what this protest means, 7 00:00:29,933 --> 00:00:33,092 Speaker 2: we're now joined by a motorcycle advocacy spokesman, Richard Poor, 8 00:00:33,133 --> 00:00:34,333 Speaker 2: who get a Richard here. 9 00:00:34,373 --> 00:00:36,893 Speaker 3: You going good thanks to being here. Let's take it 10 00:00:36,973 --> 00:00:39,693 Speaker 3: right back to the beginning. Why is the Rejo boycott happening? 11 00:00:39,853 --> 00:00:42,772 Speaker 3: Why are so many motorcyclists putting their rigos on hold? 12 00:00:42,893 --> 00:00:46,573 Speaker 4: Well, the price is just like you say, it's unaffordable. 13 00:00:46,893 --> 00:00:52,053 Speaker 4: It's been quite expensive for many years and it's going 14 00:00:52,132 --> 00:00:55,533 Speaker 4: up like sixty eight percent. So the government has planned. 15 00:00:56,053 --> 00:00:59,173 Speaker 4: They've told us so we know what's coming. It's gone 16 00:00:59,253 --> 00:01:02,293 Speaker 4: up to almost six hundred dollars this year on the 17 00:01:02,293 --> 00:01:05,053 Speaker 4: first of desire. It's going up again to about seven 18 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:08,653 Speaker 4: hundred dollars the following year. We're looking at just under 19 00:01:08,773 --> 00:01:14,173 Speaker 4: nine hundred dollars. Annually for large motorcycles who register them. 20 00:01:14,572 --> 00:01:17,693 Speaker 4: So that's a lot of money. So we've said enough 21 00:01:17,733 --> 00:01:21,253 Speaker 4: is enough. We don't actually believe that the bigger the 22 00:01:21,333 --> 00:01:25,572 Speaker 4: engine makes them more dangerous. The studies that we've read, 23 00:01:25,613 --> 00:01:28,853 Speaker 4: and in fact the data provided by ACC doesn't show that, 24 00:01:29,613 --> 00:01:32,853 Speaker 4: So how can you justify that? So we're just asking 25 00:01:32,893 --> 00:01:35,773 Speaker 4: them to say, hey, look, show us the data that 26 00:01:35,813 --> 00:01:37,693 Speaker 4: what you've already shown us doesn't prove that. We want 27 00:01:37,853 --> 00:01:40,333 Speaker 4: what else have you got? So that's pretty much where 28 00:01:40,373 --> 00:01:40,932 Speaker 4: we're at. 29 00:01:41,212 --> 00:01:43,773 Speaker 3: So why don't you think they'll share that data? Do 30 00:01:43,813 --> 00:01:47,773 Speaker 3: you think they don't have it or it doesn't say 31 00:01:47,813 --> 00:01:53,653 Speaker 3: what they needed to say to increase the levees. 32 00:01:56,093 --> 00:01:58,853 Speaker 4: I believe it's yeah, it doesn't show that, and or 33 00:01:58,893 --> 00:02:00,573 Speaker 4: they just don't have it, or they haven't done the 34 00:02:00,613 --> 00:02:05,213 Speaker 4: studies they've so they have provided us with some data 35 00:02:05,413 --> 00:02:10,173 Speaker 4: in an Official Information Act request which didn't show right, 36 00:02:10,573 --> 00:02:13,972 Speaker 4: larger engines cause more risks or our higher risk. It 37 00:02:14,093 --> 00:02:16,413 Speaker 4: just didn't prove that, and so we went back to 38 00:02:16,453 --> 00:02:18,293 Speaker 4: them and said, hey, no, that's that doesn't prove that. 39 00:02:18,733 --> 00:02:22,573 Speaker 4: You must have something else, but they don't or we 40 00:02:22,653 --> 00:02:25,613 Speaker 4: don't know, so they're just not responding now So. 41 00:02:25,613 --> 00:02:28,692 Speaker 3: Did the data that you've seen that you got say 42 00:02:28,733 --> 00:02:33,333 Speaker 3: that the risk was even across all CC ranges? Is 43 00:02:33,373 --> 00:02:34,813 Speaker 3: that what it came back with or. 44 00:02:35,413 --> 00:02:40,973 Speaker 5: It basically said it was arbitrary, right, So it doesn't 45 00:02:41,053 --> 00:02:46,333 Speaker 5: prove that higher CC is sorry you go. 46 00:02:47,373 --> 00:02:51,693 Speaker 4: Well, and most people know that because quite a lot 47 00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:57,012 Speaker 4: of us ride large like shiny cruiser bikes with really 48 00:02:57,093 --> 00:03:02,292 Speaker 4: big engines. But there are thousands of small supersport motorcycles 49 00:03:02,333 --> 00:03:06,013 Speaker 4: with much smaller engines which go twice as fast. Now, 50 00:03:06,133 --> 00:03:08,773 Speaker 4: surely that's higher risk, isn't it. 51 00:03:09,252 --> 00:03:12,653 Speaker 3: So what is their logic there then? So their assumption 52 00:03:12,893 --> 00:03:18,253 Speaker 3: is that higher CC you're going faster, bigger risk, more, 53 00:03:18,493 --> 00:03:21,453 Speaker 3: more of a mess if you if you crash. Is 54 00:03:21,453 --> 00:03:22,333 Speaker 3: that is that there? 55 00:03:22,453 --> 00:03:22,613 Speaker 5: There? 56 00:03:22,733 --> 00:03:23,333 Speaker 3: Their assumption? 57 00:03:25,133 --> 00:03:27,852 Speaker 4: Look, I think what it comes down to is that 58 00:03:29,173 --> 00:03:32,453 Speaker 4: FC was just easy. It's a blunt property, you know, 59 00:03:32,532 --> 00:03:35,573 Speaker 4: for pricing, it's just easy. So administratively, hey, let's just 60 00:03:35,613 --> 00:03:39,173 Speaker 4: do it like this, bigger the engine, pay more money. Well, 61 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:45,853 Speaker 4: you know, we don't mind paying our levees. Now we 62 00:03:45,973 --> 00:03:50,173 Speaker 4: understand that, yes, there's higher risk with motorcycling, so okay, 63 00:03:50,453 --> 00:03:54,693 Speaker 4: it's fair, we'll pay a bit more, but not sixty 64 00:03:54,773 --> 00:03:57,173 Speaker 4: eight percent more on an increase on what was already 65 00:03:57,173 --> 00:04:00,093 Speaker 4: we're paying over double what cars are paying, and they're 66 00:04:00,093 --> 00:04:04,053 Speaker 4: going to we're looking at three hundred dollars increase in 67 00:04:04,093 --> 00:04:06,173 Speaker 4: a couple of years time added to what it is now. 68 00:04:06,293 --> 00:04:08,733 Speaker 4: So what's six hundred almost six hundred bucks in July? 69 00:04:09,733 --> 00:04:12,973 Speaker 2: So what would that increase? Yeah, fair enough to Rachel? 70 00:04:13,013 --> 00:04:14,653 Speaker 2: What would that increase look like for you? Are you 71 00:04:14,693 --> 00:04:17,213 Speaker 2: saying that it should be a universal you know, a 72 00:04:17,253 --> 00:04:19,293 Speaker 2: slight increase, not to the level that you're seeing here, 73 00:04:19,333 --> 00:04:22,933 Speaker 2: but a slight increase, but the same level for every writer, 74 00:04:23,053 --> 00:04:25,333 Speaker 2: whether it's a scooter or a superbike, you should all 75 00:04:25,373 --> 00:04:26,893 Speaker 2: pay the same levy. 76 00:04:28,013 --> 00:04:33,493 Speaker 4: Looks there's other models out there that have been bandied around, 77 00:04:34,173 --> 00:04:36,693 Speaker 4: and you know, we haven't locked anything in yet, but 78 00:04:36,773 --> 00:04:38,973 Speaker 4: we just want to first explore the data that they've 79 00:04:39,013 --> 00:04:42,573 Speaker 4: provided and just you know, check that out first, and 80 00:04:42,613 --> 00:04:45,253 Speaker 4: then let's have a look at some of the other models. 81 00:04:46,053 --> 00:04:48,453 Speaker 4: Now they might not be easy to administer, but they 82 00:04:48,493 --> 00:04:52,533 Speaker 4: at least need to address the situation. Now, Like, if 83 00:04:52,573 --> 00:04:55,053 Speaker 4: you are going to say CC makes it more dangerous, 84 00:04:55,093 --> 00:04:58,813 Speaker 4: then show us that data and then let's look at 85 00:04:59,213 --> 00:05:01,413 Speaker 4: looking at other models. You know, they said the other 86 00:05:01,453 --> 00:05:06,853 Speaker 4: models could be writer based models based on experience and behaviors, 87 00:05:07,413 --> 00:05:12,693 Speaker 4: or causation and based approaches, or exposure based pricing, which 88 00:05:12,733 --> 00:05:15,533 Speaker 4: is probably, you know, the most popular one out there. 89 00:05:15,573 --> 00:05:19,533 Speaker 4: So how much actual road use? Right then? Right? Yet? 90 00:05:19,573 --> 00:05:21,093 Speaker 4: You know how much time are they spending on the 91 00:05:21,173 --> 00:05:24,453 Speaker 4: road exposed to hazards? You know? But there's lots of things. 92 00:05:24,533 --> 00:05:26,693 Speaker 4: Like I said, we haven't we haven't locked anything, and 93 00:05:26,813 --> 00:05:30,573 Speaker 4: yet we're putting it out to the membership to chuck 94 00:05:30,613 --> 00:05:33,093 Speaker 4: all the ideas in the hat and then we'll put 95 00:05:33,133 --> 00:05:36,333 Speaker 4: it to our advisory board to sort of come up 96 00:05:36,373 --> 00:05:39,213 Speaker 4: with something and then put it out to the membership. 97 00:05:39,293 --> 00:05:42,813 Speaker 4: But ACC doesn't even want to talk to us, so 98 00:05:42,853 --> 00:05:44,293 Speaker 4: that Hell and I have none of that because I'm 99 00:05:44,293 --> 00:05:46,453 Speaker 4: pretty sure that this dead set in their ways. 100 00:05:47,173 --> 00:05:50,733 Speaker 3: So you're not denying the claim that motorbikes account for 101 00:05:50,773 --> 00:05:53,253 Speaker 3: four percent of vehicles but account for twenty five percent 102 00:05:53,373 --> 00:05:55,293 Speaker 3: of road injuries. 103 00:05:55,853 --> 00:06:00,813 Speaker 4: So we're not denying, No, No, we're not. Yeah, people 104 00:06:00,853 --> 00:06:03,653 Speaker 4: get hurt on motorcycles and a lot of the injuries 105 00:06:04,133 --> 00:06:07,933 Speaker 4: are quite serious, all right, So we're not refusing to pay. 106 00:06:08,133 --> 00:06:11,653 Speaker 4: We just challenging the flawed pricing that all this is about. 107 00:06:11,893 --> 00:06:14,293 Speaker 4: If the data behind those levees is solid, show it 108 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:16,173 Speaker 4: to us. If it's not fixed it. 109 00:06:16,933 --> 00:06:19,892 Speaker 3: So if you if you're if you're you know, putting 110 00:06:19,933 --> 00:06:22,773 Speaker 3: your regio on hold, if you get pulled over with 111 00:06:22,853 --> 00:06:24,453 Speaker 3: no regio, what kind of fine are you getting? 112 00:06:25,293 --> 00:06:28,533 Speaker 4: See you looking at about a two hundred dollar fine? Right, 113 00:06:29,173 --> 00:06:33,573 Speaker 4: some demerit points. Now, we're not condaining people to ride 114 00:06:33,653 --> 00:06:37,453 Speaker 4: their bikes while they're on hold, right, that's illegal. But 115 00:06:37,693 --> 00:06:39,773 Speaker 4: you know what, people have been doing that for years, 116 00:06:40,093 --> 00:06:42,533 Speaker 4: and I don't doubt that more people are going to 117 00:06:42,573 --> 00:06:44,733 Speaker 4: start doing it because when you weigh there up, I 118 00:06:44,813 --> 00:06:48,333 Speaker 4: hang on six hundred dollars regio, two hundred dollar fine 119 00:06:48,373 --> 00:06:51,213 Speaker 4: and some demerits, I think I'll just take the risk 120 00:06:51,413 --> 00:06:53,853 Speaker 4: all right Now, like I said, we're not in condoning that, 121 00:06:54,013 --> 00:06:57,293 Speaker 4: but we can't. We can't decide for what every individual 122 00:06:57,333 --> 00:06:58,933 Speaker 4: is going to do, right, And like I said, they're 123 00:06:58,973 --> 00:07:01,133 Speaker 4: already doing it. They've been doing it, thousands have been 124 00:07:01,133 --> 00:07:03,253 Speaker 4: doing it for years, and so this is just going 125 00:07:03,333 --> 00:07:05,453 Speaker 4: to get worse. We need to fix the system so 126 00:07:05,453 --> 00:07:09,093 Speaker 4: that so that it's a logical amount that all people say, hey, 127 00:07:09,133 --> 00:07:11,653 Speaker 4: you know what, that's okay, I'll pay that, you know 128 00:07:11,733 --> 00:07:14,893 Speaker 4: more compliant. But no, you're going to keep pricing people 129 00:07:14,893 --> 00:07:17,733 Speaker 4: into doing the legal stuff or just can't afford it, 130 00:07:18,213 --> 00:07:20,853 Speaker 4: and off the road is maybe that's their objective, the 131 00:07:20,853 --> 00:07:24,133 Speaker 4: old booty dirty agenda. Let's get motorcycles off the road 132 00:07:24,173 --> 00:07:27,573 Speaker 4: and save the planet what you're thinking. 133 00:07:28,013 --> 00:07:30,773 Speaker 3: Yeah so, but I mean it's not great for you 134 00:07:30,573 --> 00:07:33,613 Speaker 3: and your insurance payout if you do, if you're unfortunate 135 00:07:33,653 --> 00:07:36,053 Speaker 3: and you do do crash and you've got your ridgi 136 00:07:36,573 --> 00:07:36,853 Speaker 3: We're not. 137 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:40,613 Speaker 4: We're not encouraging that. So commuters, you know, keep your 138 00:07:40,613 --> 00:07:42,333 Speaker 4: bike on redging. You guys got to go to work. 139 00:07:42,373 --> 00:07:44,653 Speaker 4: That's your only motor transport. But there's lots of other 140 00:07:44,973 --> 00:07:47,853 Speaker 4: others out there, weekend warriors, you know, or they've got 141 00:07:47,893 --> 00:07:50,373 Speaker 4: several the collectors, they've got several machines. So we're just 142 00:07:50,453 --> 00:07:54,013 Speaker 4: going to put as many vehicles, not just motorcycles or 143 00:07:54,093 --> 00:07:57,373 Speaker 4: our vehicles on hold if we're not using them. So 144 00:07:57,493 --> 00:08:00,173 Speaker 4: that's going to have an impact on the income. It's 145 00:08:00,213 --> 00:08:02,253 Speaker 4: got it. It's a long game. 146 00:08:02,133 --> 00:08:04,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because how many how many members how many 147 00:08:04,613 --> 00:08:07,253 Speaker 3: members of your group have you got and and if 148 00:08:07,253 --> 00:08:08,933 Speaker 3: you've got any ideas, how many how many have put 149 00:08:08,973 --> 00:08:10,653 Speaker 3: it put their redis on hold. 150 00:08:11,293 --> 00:08:14,653 Speaker 4: So we can't measure that how many people have put 151 00:08:14,653 --> 00:08:18,173 Speaker 4: it on hold. But we've got nine thousand members now, 152 00:08:18,213 --> 00:08:21,333 Speaker 4: I think, and like three the last three weeks or so, 153 00:08:21,453 --> 00:08:24,653 Speaker 4: we've jumped from about five thousand members to nine thousand members. 154 00:08:26,053 --> 00:08:30,293 Speaker 4: It's growing rapidly. We probably have ten thousand members by 155 00:08:30,293 --> 00:08:33,772 Speaker 4: the end of next week because there's a lot of engagement, 156 00:08:33,933 --> 00:08:38,053 Speaker 4: but there's people are motivated, but this is like it's 157 00:08:38,053 --> 00:08:40,813 Speaker 4: like we feel like we're getting ripped off. 158 00:08:41,213 --> 00:08:44,213 Speaker 3: You know's there's another logic. There's another logic flow in 159 00:08:44,252 --> 00:08:47,373 Speaker 3: this whole thing. Rich had the speed limits the stame 160 00:08:47,573 --> 00:08:50,492 Speaker 3: no matter what the CCC, So what the CC is, 161 00:08:50,573 --> 00:08:54,893 Speaker 3: whatever the cc is hard to say, it's still one 162 00:08:54,933 --> 00:08:57,813 Speaker 3: hundred so or one hundred and ten where you are, 163 00:08:57,933 --> 00:09:00,372 Speaker 3: so so you know those are those are the laws. 164 00:09:00,372 --> 00:09:03,053 Speaker 3: If someone breaks the laws, then you know they could 165 00:09:03,053 --> 00:09:06,653 Speaker 3: get fine speeding ticket, right, So whatever your CEE C is, 166 00:09:07,132 --> 00:09:09,372 Speaker 3: then the really matter doesn't change the speed limit. 167 00:09:09,453 --> 00:09:14,653 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's why there's other controls to change that behavior. 168 00:09:14,973 --> 00:09:16,853 Speaker 4: And they're ramping that up as well, you know, with 169 00:09:16,933 --> 00:09:20,133 Speaker 4: the safety cameras and all that sort of stuff. So 170 00:09:20,213 --> 00:09:24,573 Speaker 4: they're not I mean they've confirmed a one hundred million 171 00:09:24,612 --> 00:09:29,133 Speaker 4: dollar contract with ACU Census, the AI camera surveillance company 172 00:09:29,132 --> 00:09:33,773 Speaker 4: that now own you know with NZNTA, so all those cameras, 173 00:09:34,213 --> 00:09:38,612 Speaker 4: that's what they do. At the moment, they can't bring 174 00:09:38,852 --> 00:09:41,973 Speaker 4: people for not having a registered vehicle on the road. 175 00:09:42,333 --> 00:09:44,653 Speaker 4: But that's just a matter of flicking a switch. So 176 00:09:44,933 --> 00:09:46,733 Speaker 4: as soon as the government says, hey, you know what, 177 00:09:46,773 --> 00:09:49,773 Speaker 4: we're really to turn that, turn that on now and 178 00:09:49,852 --> 00:09:52,492 Speaker 4: pay Aqur Census more money, they will do it. You know. 179 00:09:52,653 --> 00:09:54,893 Speaker 4: So that's what we're facing in the future as well. 180 00:09:55,252 --> 00:09:58,653 Speaker 4: Like we don't mind like cell phones and seatbelts. Cool, 181 00:09:58,773 --> 00:10:02,293 Speaker 4: that's good. That's unsafe, that's what kills us. Yeah, you know, 182 00:10:03,012 --> 00:10:06,213 Speaker 4: we're all for that, but you know it's let's let's 183 00:10:06,252 --> 00:10:07,053 Speaker 4: keep a handle on it. 184 00:10:07,252 --> 00:10:09,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard, think thank you very much for having a 185 00:10:09,333 --> 00:10:11,573 Speaker 2: chat with us. Very interesting. The phones have lit up, 186 00:10:11,612 --> 00:10:13,453 Speaker 2: so this is going to be a great hour of discussion, 187 00:10:13,573 --> 00:10:15,693 Speaker 2: just very very quickly. What do you guys like to 188 00:10:15,732 --> 00:10:18,293 Speaker 2: be called? Is it motorcyclist? Is it riders? Is a motorbikers? 189 00:10:18,333 --> 00:10:18,893 Speaker 2: Is a bikers? 190 00:10:19,252 --> 00:10:23,333 Speaker 4: A bikers, motorcyclists, motorcycle enthusiast? What whatever we get called? 191 00:10:23,372 --> 00:10:25,213 Speaker 4: We called we get called lots of things. 192 00:10:25,252 --> 00:10:30,213 Speaker 2: Mabe. Yes, hey, Richard, thank you very much having a 193 00:10:30,293 --> 00:10:32,733 Speaker 2: chat with us. Mate, Go well and and we'll touch 194 00:10:32,773 --> 00:10:34,333 Speaker 2: base and see how you go with that data. 195 00:10:34,453 --> 00:10:35,333 Speaker 4: Oh, thanks for your time. 196 00:10:35,492 --> 00:10:38,013 Speaker 2: That is Richard thaor who. 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