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Speaker 1: the Game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct with Elliott Smith,

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Habit Health, tackling all

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Speaker 2: your aches and pains from sports and work. Elliott Smith,

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Speaker 2: Newstalk zbb's lead rugby commentated with me is always Liam Nappier,

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Speaker 2: rugby writer and chief sports writer for The New Zealand Herald.

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Speaker 3: Liam is super rugby back.

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Speaker 4: I think it is, Elliott. Well, you don't want to

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Speaker 4: jump the gun too much. But what an opening rounds,

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Speaker 4: wasn't it? One point results tries from the end of

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Speaker 4: the Earth, Try of the Year contenders, very competitive, very engaging.

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Speaker 4: The style of rugby was brilliant, so you couldn't ask

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Speaker 4: for a better start.

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Speaker 2: You really couldn't because there were no blowouts. The biggest

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Speaker 2: margin of the weekend was the Chiefs upsetting the Blues.

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Speaker 2: The champions a lot at one point, when's last place

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Speaker 2: sort of victories, you know, maybe it's a little bit

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Speaker 2: too early and shouldn't get carried away, but deleting the

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Speaker 2: rebels from the competition spreading those players out. Mowana has

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Speaker 2: got better with RDSVA, the Crusaders seemed to be better.

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Speaker 2: Just as a general the competition seems a lot more

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Speaker 2: even this year or already compared to previous years. And

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Speaker 2: I know there were three new Zealand teams in the

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Speaker 2: mix last year, but across the board, you go, that's

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Speaker 2: a fascinating opening round.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, big time.

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Speaker 4: And I think we saw stylistically last year the massive

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Speaker 4: improvements that a number of largely small tweaks can make

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Speaker 4: in terms of speeding up the game, improving the product,

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Speaker 4: removing stoppages and even in the weekend, just little things

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Speaker 4: like the shot clock for the goalkickers or setting the

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Speaker 4: scrum or the line out quickly protecting the halfback. All

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Speaker 4: those sorts of things make a massive difference to the

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Speaker 4: on field products.

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Speaker 5: Did see that last year.

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Speaker 4: And now, as you mentioned, with the spread of talent

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Speaker 4: in Australia, Muana being more competitive, and we do have

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Speaker 4: to be careful not jumping the gum and making wid

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Speaker 4: widespread generalizations too early, but you put those two things

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Speaker 4: together and this does feel like it's going to be

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Speaker 4: one of the most competitive Super Rugby competitions in recent memory.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go through it line by line, game by

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Speaker 2: game and speaking with sweeping generalizations. The Crusaders, they are back.

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Speaker 5: I've been waiting for this, been waiting for this.

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Speaker 4: Look, just pump the brakes, Elliot, pumped the brakes, mate,

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Speaker 4: you're not back yet.

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Speaker 5: One game, you know, hold the phone.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought they did very well.

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Speaker 2: You know, they were down fourteen now and it felt

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Speaker 2: like the ghosts of last year was still in the

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Speaker 2: system and they could have tripped up and really been

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Speaker 2: blown out in that game. But they came back and

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Speaker 2: rallied and sort of fought fire with fire a little

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Speaker 2: bit against the Hurricanes. I really liked what David Harvelli

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Speaker 2: at super rugby level, yet there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: questions about him last year sent back to MP sorry

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Speaker 2: to club rugby level. But David Avelli, I thought was

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Speaker 2: so key in that performance. He linked well with Will

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Speaker 2: Jordan and that allowed Sevrees to roam out wide. And

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Speaker 2: looks like a real player of promise. So what I

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Speaker 2: thought they did well was just response and fire with fire,

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Speaker 2: whereas last year they went into the cages a little

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Speaker 2: bit of the Crusaders and didn't know how to fight

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Speaker 2: their way out of trouble. I thought at fourteen neel

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Speaker 2: down it could have gone a lot differently, but they

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Speaker 2: that's a confidence building win for a team that was

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Speaker 4: That's a massive one, isn't it after what happened last year,

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Speaker 4: missing the playoffs, having your head coach in the gun. Look,

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Speaker 4: I think everyone expected the Crusaders to be infinitely better year.

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Speaker 4: You put guys like Will Jordan back in that team

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Speaker 5: But he can't do it alone. You mentioned David Heavili there.

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Speaker 4: The captaincy seems to rest really well on his shoulders.

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Speaker 4: I saw him talking postmatch about you know how much

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Speaker 4: be mature and relishing that responsibility. Sever Reese was lethal

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Speaker 4: on the edge, and you're right the Crusaders made the

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Speaker 5: The Hurricanes were dominant. They regularly broke the Crusaders.

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Speaker 4: Lever Armore clearly had a license to rush in the

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Speaker 4: They were broken on the edge quite consistently. But they

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Speaker 4: made some adjustments and I felt the Crusaders got bester

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Speaker 4: maybe their their injuries, A bit of depth concerns started

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Speaker 4: to tell. I thought the Crusaders got more pay off

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Speaker 4: the bench. Guys like James O'Connor came on and had

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Speaker 4: get on top. But a massive win for the Crusaders

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Speaker 4: at home in particular. They've got a tough start to

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Speaker 4: the year with the Chiefs this week as well, so

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Speaker 4: really important for them to just draw a line in

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Speaker 4: let's keep building. You know, we're not the team that

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Speaker 4: we were last year. We can, you know, rebuild because

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Speaker 4: the Empire did crumble last year earlier and it does

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Speaker 2: It did, and that's only the opening week. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: some big games to come, but some promising signs there

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Speaker 2: for the Crusaders. I thought there were promising signs for

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Speaker 2: the Hurricanes as well. I agree though were fatigued late

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Speaker 2: I thought was stretched the Crusaders on the edges, and

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Speaker 2: you had in the hollow and finng and awful who

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Speaker 2: cam Royguard was doing a lot of it on his own,

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Speaker 2: lot of that game rested on his shoulders and he

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Speaker 2: was just trying to do a little bit too much.

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Speaker 2: There was one kick that went a little bit too

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Speaker 2: think it's you know, I think the Hurricanes will bounce

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Speaker 2: back quickly from that performance. There were some promising signs,

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Speaker 2: but just maybe in terms of the makeup of that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, And look I was impressed with I

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Speaker 4: thought Harry Godfrey was very good at ten, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: Cam Royguard. He's still a young guy, isn't he and

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Speaker 4: took a lot on his shoulders. There was one kick

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Speaker 4: and those things start to compound, and yeah, you take

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Speaker 4: Jordi Barrett out of that team, massive influence in the

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Speaker 4: big outs. But yeah, I probably expected a bit more

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Speaker 5: They were all over the Crusaders.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't go as far as say they had them

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Speaker 4: they really had them on the rack and couldn't put

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Speaker 4: a big game and lead really well. That their attitude

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Speaker 4: largely worked, but just they didn't get the payoff the bench.

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Speaker 4: You know, guys like Peter Luckeye came on and didn't

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Speaker 4: recent All Black, but he wasn't alone. So yeah, to

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Speaker 4: see how the Hurricanes regroup and if they can get

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Speaker 5: Back, but not not all all Derm and Gloom.

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Speaker 4: I still think Clark Bladel was a very stude coach,

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Speaker 4: and he'll he'll go back and look at that, and

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Speaker 4: I think the blueprint is there for the Hurricanes.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the war Tars Highlanders later that

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Speaker 2: night on Friday, the war Tars winning that one by one,

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Speaker 2: thirty seven thirty six, end to end sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: It was basically try meets try meets try. What did

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Speaker 2: we learn about the Highlanders first and foremost from the spixualium.

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Speaker 4: The Highlanders look, I think there were signs of Jamie

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Speaker 5: I thought they had a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of spirit, They competed well, they contested everything this game,

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Speaker 4: war Tars seemon intent on hoisting to the heavens every

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Speaker 4: chance they got to bring Joseph tole you into the game.

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Speaker 4: I thought the hand has competed well and area they

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Speaker 4: got some some good There were some interesting selections first

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Speaker 4: and foremost for the Hounds. Wasn't there Benching Falal, Fuckatava

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Speaker 4: ten to fifteen minutes was try for try and the Waratas.

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Speaker 5: Maybe deserved it, maybe they didn't.

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Speaker 4: They did because they got there in the end, but

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Speaker 2: Way they could have. I think there were promising signs

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Speaker 2: Cam Miller you mentioned there Fabian Holland, Sean Whzy and

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Speaker 2: good good on the weekend to more of the Nawai.

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Speaker 5: So is exceptional, wasn't he?

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Speaker 4: He's probably one of the best players of a round

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Speaker 5: Where did that come from?

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Speaker 4: Obviously he's moved into the midfield, but he pulled off

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Speaker 4: he had that in his repertoire.

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Speaker 2: No, and I think he can be a real presence

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Speaker 2: they're a team that is probably going to be this

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Speaker 2: year outside the playoffs looking in. But I think there

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Speaker 2: are promising signs. If Jamie Joseph sticks around, perhaps similar

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Speaker 2: to how he did in twenty fifteen, and can mold

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Speaker 2: this team into an unheralded, you know, unheralded bunch of

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Speaker 2: perhaps need to fix up, you know, some of their

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Speaker 3: They're a little bit discipline as well, and you know.

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Speaker 2: They'll they'll be tough for teams to put away this

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Speaker 2: year Waratas. In terms of their perform what did you

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Speaker 2: make of them? Is it title town in Sydney.

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Speaker 5: So they will. That will really hurt.

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Speaker 2: Time now for our final four four rugby topics that

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Speaker 2: Liam and I will debate. Well, William, I think just

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Speaker 5: No? No, No one will win.

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Speaker 4: Lawyers will win because because they're not cheap, good lawyers

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Speaker 2: Gatland will last until the next six nations got I

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00:22:08,733 --> 00:22:11,573
Speaker 2: said no, You said yes, he has gone. Now is

437
00:22:11,613 --> 00:22:13,773
Speaker 2: it the right call and who's going to replace him?

438
00:22:15,093 --> 00:22:16,333
Speaker 5: Well? I think it is the right call.

439
00:22:16,773 --> 00:22:21,653
Speaker 4: I didn't expect the Welsh Ruby Union to follow through

440
00:22:21,653 --> 00:22:24,413
Speaker 4: on that decision, and by all accounts, depending on who

441
00:22:24,453 --> 00:22:27,933
Speaker 4: you believe, this was Gatlin's decision.

442
00:22:28,933 --> 00:22:30,013
Speaker 5: At least in the short term.

443
00:22:30,013 --> 00:22:34,613
Speaker 4: He's jumped before he's been pushed because you just couldn't

444
00:22:34,653 --> 00:22:36,533
Speaker 4: retain him. Long term should have happened at the back

445
00:22:36,613 --> 00:22:41,853
Speaker 4: end of last year misplaced loyalty. But yeah, it is

446
00:22:41,853 --> 00:22:44,213
Speaker 4: a big question about who comes in now. Do they

447
00:22:44,213 --> 00:22:47,693
Speaker 4: look to someone like a Michael Checker, Do they look

448
00:22:47,813 --> 00:22:52,333
Speaker 4: to someone in their domestic scene. I know they've brought

449
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:55,533
Speaker 4: up the Cardiff coach as interim for the rest of

450
00:22:55,533 --> 00:22:55,813
Speaker 4: the year.

451
00:22:55,853 --> 00:22:57,893
Speaker 5: What if he gets a bit of a bounce, do

452
00:22:57,973 --> 00:22:58,813
Speaker 5: they retain him?

453
00:22:59,693 --> 00:23:02,533
Speaker 4: But I think we do also do nearly acknowledge that

454
00:23:02,813 --> 00:23:06,453
Speaker 4: whoever gets its faces a massive uphill task because the

455
00:23:06,493 --> 00:23:10,213
Speaker 4: problems run much deeper than he co which But I

456
00:23:10,253 --> 00:23:12,493
Speaker 4: think it was a poor decision to bring in Gats.

457
00:23:12,973 --> 00:23:14,213
Speaker 5: Yes, he had a lot of success.

458
00:23:14,333 --> 00:23:18,413
Speaker 4: I think he won three Grand Slams and you know

459
00:23:18,493 --> 00:23:21,533
Speaker 4: went to the World Cup semi finals with Wales. But

460
00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:25,893
Speaker 4: viewing him as a quick solution was very short sighted

461
00:23:26,253 --> 00:23:28,653
Speaker 4: and I think we've seen that come to fruition.

462
00:23:29,173 --> 00:23:31,573
Speaker 2: We have indeed, look, it's quite interesting to look back.

463
00:23:31,613 --> 00:23:36,533
Speaker 2: Wayne Pevack was sacked in twenty twenty two and replaced

464
00:23:36,533 --> 00:23:40,773
Speaker 2: by Gatland when PVAc won the Six Nations in twenty

465
00:23:40,773 --> 00:23:44,693
Speaker 2: twenty one. Yes, twenty twenty didn't go flash. Twenty twenty

466
00:23:44,733 --> 00:23:46,773
Speaker 2: two didn't go flash in terms of Six Nations and

467
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:51,053
Speaker 2: other results. But clearly I think the point was missed

468
00:23:51,373 --> 00:23:53,493
Speaker 2: around it is that this team was on a slide

469
00:23:53,733 --> 00:23:56,413
Speaker 2: and they thought let's get a bloke back in who

470
00:23:56,453 --> 00:24:00,613
Speaker 2: knows well shrugby intimately and he can correct it. But

471
00:24:00,653 --> 00:24:03,693
Speaker 2: I think the problems are bigger than Wayne Pavac, than

472
00:24:03,733 --> 00:24:07,573
Speaker 2: Warren Gatland. But I don't think he was the right

473
00:24:07,573 --> 00:24:09,453
Speaker 2: coach for that point and time. And and you know,

474
00:24:09,453 --> 00:24:11,213
Speaker 2: the saying goes, you can't go home again. You know,

475
00:24:11,253 --> 00:24:14,973
Speaker 2: you try and do things again for a second time round.

476
00:24:15,133 --> 00:24:17,373
Speaker 2: You might have that nostalgia but it never quite works

477
00:24:17,413 --> 00:24:20,173
Speaker 2: out Eddie Jones, you know in Australia, he's back in Japan.

478
00:24:20,213 --> 00:24:21,893
Speaker 2: Things aren't working that flash room.

479
00:24:21,973 --> 00:24:22,213
Speaker 3: Again.

480
00:24:22,333 --> 00:24:24,333
Speaker 2: There's been football managers who have done the same thing.

481
00:24:24,373 --> 00:24:27,373
Speaker 2: It's very, very hard once you've left the place time's

482
00:24:27,373 --> 00:24:29,733
Speaker 2: gone by to go back and do it again, especially

483
00:24:29,733 --> 00:24:31,813
Speaker 2: when there are issues like that. And while Shrugby and

484
00:24:31,893 --> 00:24:35,173
Speaker 2: Franco Smith has been a link with the job, Simon

485
00:24:35,213 --> 00:24:38,813
Speaker 2: eased to be. You know, maybe you know Liam McDonald

486
00:24:38,893 --> 00:24:40,653
Speaker 2: or someone might might be in the mix from a

487
00:24:40,693 --> 00:24:43,213
Speaker 2: New Zealand perspective, but haven't heard his name particularly links.

488
00:24:43,213 --> 00:24:46,453
Speaker 2: Brad Moore, Crusader's assistant coaches had his name up in

489
00:24:46,573 --> 00:24:50,293
Speaker 2: lights as well when that news first broke, But seems

490
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:53,413
Speaker 2: like they might go someone based on the European Continent

491
00:24:53,573 --> 00:24:54,293
Speaker 2: Topic number.

492
00:24:54,093 --> 00:24:56,093
Speaker 3: Three, should we just give the war Tars the title? Now?

493
00:24:56,333 --> 00:24:58,173
Speaker 3: We did answer this a little bit earlier on, but

494
00:24:58,773 --> 00:24:59,373
Speaker 3: is it the year?

495
00:25:00,613 --> 00:25:03,573
Speaker 4: Well, the way that they carried on like pork chops

496
00:25:03,613 --> 00:25:07,333
Speaker 4: Eliot after that victory, you'd think so certainly looked like

497
00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:10,773
Speaker 4: they'd won the championship. And look, I'm all for celebrating

498
00:25:10,773 --> 00:25:14,213
Speaker 4: your wins, but it does seem to be a bit

499
00:25:14,213 --> 00:25:17,493
Speaker 4: symptomatic of the Warrior tess you mentioned. You recall a

500
00:25:17,533 --> 00:25:20,373
Speaker 4: couple of years ago when they beat the Crusaders, and

501
00:25:20,493 --> 00:25:24,133
Speaker 4: you know, taking that scalp of the former seven time

502
00:25:24,213 --> 00:25:27,453
Speaker 4: champions is a big deal. But I think it just

503
00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:29,453
Speaker 4: needs to be a bit of ty hoe. You know,

504
00:25:29,653 --> 00:25:31,293
Speaker 4: just pull your head and look at Wii. But it's

505
00:25:31,293 --> 00:25:33,853
Speaker 4: only one game, it's only round one. You haven't won

506
00:25:33,893 --> 00:25:37,613
Speaker 4: anything yet. So yeah, it was interesting to see those

507
00:25:37,653 --> 00:25:40,773
Speaker 4: over the top reactions from the Tars and yeah, let's

508
00:25:40,813 --> 00:25:42,093
Speaker 4: just say they need to back it up now.

509
00:25:42,333 --> 00:25:44,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think the competition needs the war Tis

510
00:25:44,413 --> 00:25:46,093
Speaker 2: to be strong in terms of crowd figures and that

511
00:25:46,173 --> 00:25:49,493
Speaker 2: Sydney presence. But yeah, it's just just hold your horses

512
00:25:49,493 --> 00:25:52,533
Speaker 2: a little bit, Fellows. Topic number four of the chiefs Now,

513
00:25:52,533 --> 00:25:54,653
Speaker 2: the competition favorites on the basis of what we saw

514
00:25:54,733 --> 00:25:55,613
Speaker 2: on Saturday night.

515
00:25:56,933 --> 00:25:58,973
Speaker 4: I wouldn't got that far. You know, don't rule out

516
00:25:59,013 --> 00:26:05,733
Speaker 4: the Canes yet, but no, look, I think i'd still

517
00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:08,973
Speaker 4: favor the Blues at this point in time, but clearly

518
00:26:09,013 --> 00:26:10,893
Speaker 4: they've got a lot of work to do. It's interesting,

519
00:26:10,933 --> 00:26:14,733
Speaker 4: isn't You Look at preseason and the Blues had a

520
00:26:16,213 --> 00:26:17,293
Speaker 4: patchy preseason.

521
00:26:18,053 --> 00:26:19,173
Speaker 5: You have players coming late.

522
00:26:19,213 --> 00:26:21,853
Speaker 4: Everyone has excuses, but there is none for the Blues

523
00:26:21,893 --> 00:26:22,973
Speaker 4: with the depth of their roster.

524
00:26:24,093 --> 00:26:25,813
Speaker 5: Mentally, maybe they weren't quite there.

525
00:26:26,373 --> 00:26:30,613
Speaker 4: Not too sure, but I think it's probably too early

526
00:26:30,653 --> 00:26:32,333
Speaker 4: to annoy the title favorites.

527
00:26:33,333 --> 00:26:34,773
Speaker 5: Look, the Chiefs have it all to.

528
00:26:34,813 --> 00:26:38,613
Speaker 4: Do and they have their expected them to be right

529
00:26:38,693 --> 00:26:41,573
Speaker 4: up there to win it last year. They've lost a

530
00:26:41,573 --> 00:26:45,533
Speaker 4: couple of finals that will be ingrained in them, won't they.

531
00:26:46,093 --> 00:26:49,813
Speaker 4: And Clayton McMillan is a very astute coach, but when

532
00:26:49,813 --> 00:26:51,973
Speaker 4: it comes to the big dance, hasn't hasn't quite made

533
00:26:52,013 --> 00:26:55,653
Speaker 4: the Chiefs lift. So personally, I'd love to see the

534
00:26:55,733 --> 00:26:58,213
Speaker 4: Chiefs to I think they've been building for a number

535
00:26:58,253 --> 00:27:01,093
Speaker 4: of years. They've got some very experienced figures in that team,

536
00:27:01,893 --> 00:27:04,293
Speaker 4: but they've just folded when it really mattered at the

537
00:27:04,293 --> 00:27:05,053
Speaker 4: back end of the year.

538
00:27:05,093 --> 00:27:06,813
Speaker 5: So they need to keep building.

539
00:27:06,813 --> 00:27:09,613
Speaker 4: But it was a mess monkey off their back to

540
00:27:09,693 --> 00:27:12,053
Speaker 4: knock over the title title defenders.

541
00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:13,893
Speaker 2: One thing I do think they need to do the

542
00:27:13,893 --> 00:27:15,853
Speaker 2: Blues is move Boden Barrett back into ten. I know

543
00:27:15,933 --> 00:27:18,133
Speaker 2: there are injuries on Sullivan's out for at least a

544
00:27:18,133 --> 00:27:20,053
Speaker 2: few weeks. He was in a cast last week at training.

545
00:27:20,053 --> 00:27:23,093
Speaker 2: Stephen Petefetta a couple of weeks away, so maybe it

546
00:27:23,133 --> 00:27:26,333
Speaker 2: was the horses for courses selection. But Boden Barrett is

547
00:27:26,333 --> 00:27:28,533
Speaker 2: the incombent all Blacks ten. He needs to be playing ten.

548
00:27:28,693 --> 00:27:30,293
Speaker 2: I think they're better with him at ten. We saw

549
00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:32,773
Speaker 2: what Damian McKenzie did when he slid into ten for

550
00:27:32,853 --> 00:27:37,813
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. I think for the purposes of this Blues team,

551
00:27:38,373 --> 00:27:40,893
Speaker 2: they need to get him into ten as much as possible.

552
00:27:41,573 --> 00:27:44,733
Speaker 2: Let's run through the picks from last week. A rarity

553
00:27:44,773 --> 00:27:47,813
Speaker 2: for me. I'm actually in the lead three or five

554
00:27:48,053 --> 00:27:51,013
Speaker 2: over the course of the weekend, so great news for

555
00:27:51,973 --> 00:27:54,453
Speaker 2: me personally. And you had two of five.

556
00:27:54,933 --> 00:27:57,653
Speaker 4: Well you enjoy that well at last, because history would

557
00:27:57,653 --> 00:27:59,133
Speaker 4: say it won't last.

558
00:27:59,253 --> 00:28:01,533
Speaker 2: I think you've won what the last two maybe three years?

559
00:28:02,173 --> 00:28:04,653
Speaker 2: So look, let's see if I can build on that

560
00:28:04,773 --> 00:28:08,253
Speaker 2: lead the games this week. Liam, Let's run through the

561
00:28:08,573 --> 00:28:11,373
Speaker 2: Friday Night Chiefs Crusaders. Do the Chiefs go two from two?

562
00:28:11,373 --> 00:28:14,933
Speaker 2: Of the Crusaders be smart at home, Elliott's.

563
00:28:15,293 --> 00:28:23,973
Speaker 4: Unfortunately for your Crusaders, the rebuild, it's a financial hurdle, mate.

564
00:28:23,973 --> 00:28:26,013
Speaker 3: The rebul goes two from two. Don't you worry? About that.

565
00:28:26,093 --> 00:28:29,533
Speaker 2: This is Rob Penny's time and the Crusaders will be

566
00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:31,333
Speaker 2: two from two after this weekend.

567
00:28:31,453 --> 00:28:32,893
Speaker 3: Read's more one of PACIFICA.

568
00:28:33,173 --> 00:28:35,893
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one Friday night sun Corpse Stadium,

569
00:28:35,933 --> 00:28:37,933
Speaker 2: Reds first game of the year after a first round

570
00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:40,733
Speaker 2: by Do more want to learn the lessons of last

571
00:28:40,733 --> 00:28:42,133
Speaker 2: week or do the Reds get the victory?

572
00:28:43,253 --> 00:28:45,213
Speaker 5: Look, I think it helps playing a game.

573
00:28:45,453 --> 00:28:48,053
Speaker 4: You should have a bit more cohesion and Miner will

574
00:28:48,053 --> 00:28:49,933
Speaker 4: take a lot out of that game despite the result.

575
00:28:49,973 --> 00:28:53,213
Speaker 4: But look less Kiss has done a brilliant job with

576
00:28:53,253 --> 00:28:58,373
Speaker 4: the Reds potentially coaching for a role and that walla

577
00:28:58,453 --> 00:29:01,173
Speaker 4: be set up as well. You've got Frase mcwright and

578
00:29:01,453 --> 00:29:03,373
Speaker 4: a number of quality players in that Reds team. They're

579
00:29:03,373 --> 00:29:05,453
Speaker 4: at home, so I'm going to go the Reds.

580
00:29:06,333 --> 00:29:08,093
Speaker 2: I'm going to go the Reds as well. Set it

581
00:29:08,133 --> 00:29:11,213
Speaker 2: out afternoon at McLean Park in Napier. It'll be dangerous

582
00:29:11,213 --> 00:29:16,613
Speaker 2: if there's Sunshine Hurricanes hosting the drawer in Napier. Really

583
00:29:16,613 --> 00:29:19,893
Speaker 2: disappointed with the drawer. I thought over the weekend against

584
00:29:19,933 --> 00:29:23,693
Speaker 2: a Brumby's team that was down on numbers, so they

585
00:29:23,693 --> 00:29:26,933
Speaker 2: haven't traditionally traveled well. But you know, maybe you know

586
00:29:27,053 --> 00:29:29,093
Speaker 2: the sights and sounds of Napier will spur them on.

587
00:29:29,133 --> 00:29:29,653
Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

588
00:29:30,693 --> 00:29:33,373
Speaker 4: No, Elliott, it won't. The Kynes will bounce back in

589
00:29:33,413 --> 00:29:36,053
Speaker 4: that game. And I did tip last week that it

590
00:29:36,093 --> 00:29:37,693
Speaker 4: could be a tough year for the Dura. I just

591
00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:42,293
Speaker 4: think first year head coach Queen Jackson. Yeah, it's hard

592
00:29:42,293 --> 00:29:44,533
Speaker 4: to step in in your first year, while will there'll

593
00:29:44,533 --> 00:29:46,333
Speaker 4: be a number of things that that are in place

594
00:29:46,373 --> 00:29:50,013
Speaker 4: there it was. I think the Brumbies had something like

595
00:29:50,093 --> 00:29:52,653
Speaker 4: six debutants, didn't they and a number of their front

596
00:29:52,733 --> 00:29:56,053
Speaker 4: line players missing. So that was a bad first up

597
00:29:56,053 --> 00:29:59,173
Speaker 4: loss for them four point defeats. So I think the

598
00:29:59,253 --> 00:30:02,733
Speaker 4: Canes will resign the Dura to OH and two.

599
00:30:03,333 --> 00:30:05,933
Speaker 2: Speaking of oh and two, the defending champions oh and

600
00:30:05,973 --> 00:30:08,853
Speaker 2: two as they visit the Glasshouse in Dunedin and the

601
00:30:08,893 --> 00:30:10,173
Speaker 2: Highlanders on Saturday night.

602
00:30:11,293 --> 00:30:13,253
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, Elliot, I wouldn't rule the Highlands out.

603
00:30:13,293 --> 00:30:16,453
Speaker 4: Going back home, Jammie Joseph will all stir the emotions

604
00:30:16,453 --> 00:30:20,173
Speaker 4: and no doubt, you know, play on the underdog status

605
00:30:20,213 --> 00:30:23,293
Speaker 4: that everyone will write them off, nobody gives them a

606
00:30:23,413 --> 00:30:28,493
Speaker 4: chance and try and stoke that sort of narrative. But no,

607
00:30:29,653 --> 00:30:32,093
Speaker 4: you can't go past the Blues and the depth that

608
00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:33,333
Speaker 4: they've got, so we'll tip them.

609
00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:35,333
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going roughly similar here on going the Blues

610
00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:37,533
Speaker 2: as well, and the Brumby's a rounding things out against

611
00:30:37,533 --> 00:30:42,093
Speaker 2: the Western Force in Canberra Saturday nights. The Brumby is

612
00:30:42,093 --> 00:30:45,013
Speaker 2: always difficult at home. Any chance the Force go over

613
00:30:45,053 --> 00:30:47,173
Speaker 2: and get the job done, No, I.

614
00:30:47,213 --> 00:30:50,653
Speaker 4: Can't see it, so we'll have to put that multi

615
00:30:50,733 --> 00:30:52,973
Speaker 4: in then all the faves.

616
00:30:53,013 --> 00:30:54,013
Speaker 5: It sounds like a sure thing.

617
00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:56,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, apart from the Crusaders and the Chiefs, we're

618
00:30:56,333 --> 00:30:59,813
Speaker 2: exactly the same this weekend, so that could very well

619
00:31:00,093 --> 00:31:02,733
Speaker 2: be defining in terms of the first couple of weeks

620
00:31:02,773 --> 00:31:05,053
Speaker 2: of this tipping competition. Let's run things out with our

621
00:31:05,213 --> 00:31:08,693
Speaker 2: MVP voting. Our Super Rugby have got their own Player

622
00:31:08,693 --> 00:31:10,293
Speaker 2: of the Year coming in for the first time, long

623
00:31:10,333 --> 00:31:13,213
Speaker 2: over due. We're going to continue ours as well, which

624
00:31:13,253 --> 00:31:17,573
Speaker 2: is for the New Zealand based franchises. Only give me

625
00:31:17,613 --> 00:31:20,053
Speaker 2: a three two ones for this point of this week, Limb.

626
00:31:21,093 --> 00:31:23,253
Speaker 5: I'm going all backs this week.

627
00:31:23,293 --> 00:31:27,453
Speaker 4: Elliott will Jordan for three, Damien McKenzie for two and

628
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:30,973
Speaker 4: Tather Tava Nahua for one. I just think they were

629
00:31:30,973 --> 00:31:34,453
Speaker 4: the standout performance for me, big, big influence on their

630
00:31:34,453 --> 00:31:37,733
Speaker 4: respective matches. I know the forwards to do the real work,

631
00:31:37,813 --> 00:31:39,573
Speaker 4: but the back to take the chocolates.

632
00:31:39,573 --> 00:31:42,293
Speaker 2: This week I'm actually going very very similar, but I'm

633
00:31:42,293 --> 00:31:46,093
Speaker 2: going Kyle Preston for three points out of the Crusaders

634
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:50,253
Speaker 2: three tries on debut gave them some spark. We didn't

635
00:31:50,293 --> 00:31:53,053
Speaker 2: see much of Nah Hotham, but for Kyle Preston to

636
00:31:53,053 --> 00:31:55,613
Speaker 2: come on and do the sort of numbers that he

637
00:31:55,653 --> 00:31:57,413
Speaker 2: did across the park I thought was very impressive.

638
00:31:57,573 --> 00:31:59,773
Speaker 5: Mckenzrey very very tough to take, isn't it.

639
00:31:59,773 --> 00:32:05,573
Speaker 4: Elliott born and bred Wellington boy wearing the worst jersey

640
00:32:05,613 --> 00:32:08,173
Speaker 4: you could possibly wear and super rugby and doing it

641
00:32:08,333 --> 00:32:10,613
Speaker 4: against his former teammates.

642
00:32:10,613 --> 00:32:11,573
Speaker 5: It's very tough to take.

643
00:32:11,813 --> 00:32:15,253
Speaker 2: Streams well, look at the Hurricanes offered him a contract

644
00:32:15,293 --> 00:32:17,533
Speaker 2: and he turned it down. He saw the you know,

645
00:32:17,613 --> 00:32:21,773
Speaker 2: he saw the lights. That's the Promised Land and him

646
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:24,933
Speaker 2: and no Hotham and we're going to form a dynamic combination.

647
00:32:24,973 --> 00:32:28,733
Speaker 2: Hopefully Hotham not too far away from returning. So big

648
00:32:28,733 --> 00:32:30,933
Speaker 2: week for the Crusaders and the MVP voting with Will

649
00:32:31,013 --> 00:32:33,853
Speaker 2: Jordan and Kyle Preston getting three points eats but it

650
00:32:33,893 --> 00:32:36,693
Speaker 2: is Damien McKenzie who leads early on on the basis

651
00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:38,893
Speaker 2: of two points. For both of us getting four, he

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Speaker 2: is topping the chart. So that all about to do

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Speaker 2: us for Rugby Direct for the week. Liam, thank you,

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Speaker 2: as always, we will well, I won't catch up with

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Speaker 2: in a fortnight. And Nick Bule is going to slide

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Speaker 2: in next week and take your place and hopefully ruin

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Speaker 2: your tipping.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: No, he's he's a heavy hitterer, so I look forward

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Speaker 4: to listening to his contributions.

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Speaker 3: We'll catch you soon.

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