1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Big picture of stuff from Business in New Zealand for 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: you this morning. They're report into the future of n Z. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: They're looking at key issues that face us between now 4 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: and twenty fifty. Lack of workers called of a million 5 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: of them, cost of health and pensions, twenty five percent 6 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: chance we've got zero population growth. Catherine Beard's the Business 7 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: New Zealand Advocacy director and is where's Catherine morning? 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: Good morning? 9 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: Do you reckon? We're up for this is a country. 10 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: Look, the only way we're going to meet these challenges 11 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: really is to have a bit of a collective vision 12 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: about what good looks like in the future. And there's 13 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: definitely a concern from the business community that we are 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: sort of stuck in a cycle of short terms thinking, 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: you know, we have three year electoral election cycles, we 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: have changes of government, we have policy u tuns and 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: flip flops, and we're not really planning for the future. 18 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: We're sort of stumbling towards it in kind of a 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: blindfolded fashion. So this report's really designed to get everybody 20 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: to think outside the box. How big do we want 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: to be as a country or do we want to 22 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: sort of shrink into increasingly unviable future. 23 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish you well with a quarter of a 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: million workers and that's directly tied in with zero population growth. 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: Do you reckon we're still a magnet for people who 26 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: want to come here or not? 27 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: Look, I think we can be, but again that has 28 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: to be part of the plan and the thinking why 29 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 2: would talent want to come here? And in fact way 30 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: even would our children want to stay here. So we 31 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: have to provide high paying jobs, we have to have 32 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: affordable housing and you know they have to see a 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: future here. And we've got some fantastic attributes, but we 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: really have to be competitive with Australia frankly. 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Indeed, and we're not. And this is not new do 36 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: you guys, not just at Business New Zealand but in general, 37 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: get sick of producing reports that say the right thing, 38 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: but nobody does anything about them. 39 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Look, I think part of our hope with this report, 40 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: and we've put it out very widely amongst all the 41 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: industry groups, is that everybody starts singing the same song. 42 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: And we actually put pressure on the politicians too, who know, 43 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: depoliticize them things. Sure they're going to have differences of opinion, 44 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: but you know, when you're campaigning in opposition on the 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: fact that you're going to reverse everything that's currently been 46 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: implemented From a business perspective, that's really hopeless. 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Isn't it, CARSA. All I can do is wish you well. 48 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: With Katherine catherinebe who's the Business in New Zealand advocacy director. 49 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: I think Luxem, to be fair to him, has reached 50 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: out on the infrastructure side of the equation and tried 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: to make it a bit apolitical, but I don't know 52 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: that Labour's too open to that sort of thinking at 53 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: the moment. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen 54 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: live to news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, 55 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.