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Speaker 2: Media and burnout as were Yeah, you know, I really

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Speaker 3: Talk said be very good afternoons youer welcome into Tuesday show.

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Speaker 3: Really good to have your company is always. Thanks so

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Speaker 3: much for giving us a listen you matte Hey.

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Speaker 2: I was watching One News last night, Tyler and everyone

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Speaker 2: listening you're great New Zealanders across the country and I heard.

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Speaker 5: This HOOKI man, welcome back Red meat processor Alliance groups

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Speaker 5: warning shareholders the cooperative risks financial collapse. Now just a warning.

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Speaker 5: This story includes footage of meat processing.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's give a trigger warning. This this footage conveys

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Speaker 2: meat processing. Who the hell thought that New Zealanders were

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Speaker 2: so soft? Yeah, New Zealand, with this history of farming

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Speaker 2: thought that they needed to put a trigger warning on

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Speaker 2: about meat processing. Who orders something like that? Does mom

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Speaker 2: need to put a trigger warning on the kitchen when

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Speaker 2: It's so dumb. If people don't like meat processing. Look, actually,

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Speaker 2: if people don't like meat processing, then why wouldn't they

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Speaker 2: want people to see it. Back in the day, the

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Speaker 2: band of Smith's had that song Meeter's Murder, and the

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Speaker 2: video was just meat processing, and the argument was I

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Speaker 2: think the singer of the band said, Morrissey said, you know,

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Speaker 2: if freezing works had windows even want to be a vegetarian.

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Speaker 2: That was his idea of it. But how soft. It's

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Speaker 2: actually just insulting that there's anyone that thinks New Zealanders

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Speaker 2: I mean, how could you go through your life? I

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Speaker 2: mean you might see it and go, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: God for bed, if you're onto a supermarket, I mean

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Speaker 2: That they need to put that behind a curtain like

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Speaker 2: in the in video stores. Yeah, the meat trigger warning.

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Speaker 2: I mean something like when someone says something like that,

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Speaker 2: Does no one put up their hand and go, hey,

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Speaker 2: for God's sake, shouldn't they have a trigger warning it

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Speaker 3: That would make a lot more sense anyway, rife for parody,

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Speaker 2: Right for parody. Trigger warning to me? What is next?

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Speaker 3: Show, Yeah, exactly, but that was fascinating to see last

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Speaker 3: after three o'clock, we want to talk about burnout. Experts

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Speaker 3: say it's about this time of the year that many

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Speaker 3: cope when your face burnout? And how do you know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we won't talk about it at length here,

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Speaker 2: I mean our ancestors didn't have burnout when they were

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Speaker 2: That did weren't our ancestors. They didn't reproduce.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is after three o'clock, looking forward to that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, let the hedges grow. But if you're

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Speaker 2: over my property, that is your right. Yeah chop it down. Yeah, absolutely, looking.

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Speaker 3: Forward to that after two o'clock. And right now, let's

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Speaker 3: have a chat about social media. So is your endless

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Speaker 3: Instagram scroll just a habit? Or is it by design? Mesa,

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Speaker 3: app isn't intentionally addictive, but with features like infinite scroll,

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Speaker 3: targeted content and dopamine triggering algorithms, how much do you

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Speaker 3: actually buy what they say? Are these platforms built to

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Speaker 2: How could they stand there with a straight face and

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Speaker 2: business is trying to extend their business, right, and their

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Speaker 2: business is having people on their platform as long as

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Speaker 2: designed to do that. Yeah, right, absolutely, And there's you know,

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I mean the bigger question is are

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Speaker 2: That's what I would say. Yeah, I mean, and it is.

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Speaker 2: It's a weakness, I know. And as I was saying

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Speaker 2: to you before, Tyler, I sat on the couch after

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Speaker 2: finishing the fantastic Mathew McConaughey movie The Lost Bus, and

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Speaker 2: I was quite stressed. Yeah, but I was also quite

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Speaker 2: Times Great Game, I was caught into flicking through Instagram

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Speaker 2: reels and an hour just disappeared. And I came out

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Speaker 2: and I said to Tracy, I just I was just

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Speaker 2: self hatred that I allowed an hour of my life

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Speaker 2: to be taken from me. Yeah, and once it drags

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Speaker 2: you in to say it's not addictive. The length, the

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Speaker 2: length of things, the infinite scrolling, all of it, come on,

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Speaker 2: all of it's designed to be there, and it is

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Speaker 2: all of our responsibility not become addicted to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: harder when you're a kid, but it's all our responsibility.

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Speaker 2: But come on, I mean, in an addiction. And someone

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Speaker 2: may push back on this, but I would say that

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Speaker 2: the definition of an addiction would be a compulsive behavior

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Speaker 2: So I knew when I went into scrolling that it

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Speaker 2: of regret and waste an hour of quality time that

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Speaker 2: I could spend with my family, right, Yeah, so that's

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Speaker 2: spot on, but I still keep doing it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's what they actually said to get a lot

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Speaker 3: I think the suggestion that our services designed to be

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Speaker 3: we do. She said, Meta wanted users to have a

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Speaker 3: went on to say, obviously, algorithm content ranking is designed

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Speaker 3: go and see other things. I mean that is a

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Speaker 2: Surely, it's like a chocolate manufacturer saying that we don't

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Speaker 2: I mean that is your entire business model is keeping

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Speaker 2: of course do things to make that happen. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: And if you've found yourself with a HEREV Instagram social

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Speaker 2: into yes, why are you addicted? And are you ashamed

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Speaker 2: think this is that meta? Is absolutely being honest here

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent, and it's not. They're not trying to

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Speaker 2: make it addictive and they're not trying to addict you

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Speaker 2: to it and keep you on their phones. Yeah, get

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty's number to call it

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoons you It is eighteen pass

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Speaker 3: one so on the back of Catherine Webbs, she's a

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Speaker 3: national MP putting forward a member's bill to ban social

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Speaker 3: media for under sixteens. Meta, the parent company of Instagram,

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Speaker 3: has found itself at the Select Committee where they told

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Speaker 3: MPs their app isn't intentionally addictive. So love to hear

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Speaker 3: your thoughts on this. One oh, eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty. Have you found yourself being heavily addicted? How

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Speaker 3: did you get off? And how do your kids deal

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Speaker 3: with the likes of Instagram and TikTok. If it's not addictive,

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Speaker 3: then why are And it's not just kids. I'm included

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you blame this is an interesting topic? You

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Speaker 3: There's that personal responsibility absolutely, But and I'll get pushed

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Speaker 2: know that's that's something. Hey, thanks so much for your call.

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Speaker 13: No worries, have a good day and hope I hope.

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Speaker 2: You find what you lost or whatever week you tend

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Speaker 2: for what a lovely call. Oh eight one hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: And who should be responsible for managing that addictive nature?

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rayleen.

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Speaker 3: So we've been talking about the addictive nature of Instagram

446
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Speaker 3: and other social media meta itself. It's been in front

447
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Speaker 3: of a sleek committee and told MPs it's not inherently addictive.

448
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Speaker 3: So love to hear your thoughts about that statement.

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Speaker 2: You can put a timer on it. Personal responsibility a

450
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Speaker 2: brain right is part of the roadblocks game. Lol, It's

451
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Speaker 2: not the same as you think it is. I don't

452
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Speaker 2: know it well, but as a teacher had to google

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Speaker 2: it lull well my kids. I'm saying how my kids

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Speaker 2: and their friends use brain rot to describe being on

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Speaker 2: social media and going through reels and stuff. So you

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Speaker 2: may have a different definition, but that's how I said

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Speaker 2: it was. In fact, go as far as saying social

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Speaker 2: media apps may well be the only activity humans can

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Speaker 2: be taken which the risks are not outlined or easily visible,

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Speaker 2: says Allen. All good has nutritional information. I think all

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Speaker 2: food has nutritional information was what he meant to write there.

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Speaker 2: Advisories if it contains soy, peanuts, alcohols, warnings, labels all

463
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Speaker 2: over it, every sport or stick a price whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a good point. I mean does it

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Speaker 2: need that at the start of each real it says

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Speaker 2: this could be bad for your health, you know, like

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Speaker 2: a cigarette packet.

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably hitting the right direction.

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Speaker 2: A picture of your brain shrinking before you watch each

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Speaker 2: each reel, would that help? Maybe? Yeah? Oh, one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Don

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, mate, Look, I sort of come up around that

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Speaker 16: time where it was the changeover from you phone texting.

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Speaker 16: You know, we had cell phones in that growing up

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Speaker 16: at school, but you know there was no social media

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Speaker 16: and you know, as you well know, it has become

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Speaker 16: a big problem. And to be honest with you, are

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Speaker 16: things that they need to have an ID. I think

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Speaker 16: that everyone, no matter what age, you have an idea

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Speaker 16: on there because you find that you get a lot

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Speaker 16: of you know, keyboard warriors and what have you on there,

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Speaker 16: and there's a lot of a lot of online bullying

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Speaker 16: that's gone from kids doing it to adults doing it

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Speaker 16: these days, and you know, it becomes a big issue.

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Speaker 16: So you know, I think that there should be an

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Speaker 16: idea fact.

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Speaker 2: Don't you know, you don't worry that about you know

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Speaker 2: how that could be misused by the government if the

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Speaker 2: government starts being able to you know, track dissidents, so

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Speaker 2: people might you know, in a future government maybe that

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Speaker 2: you know, our government now is a benign government, but

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Speaker 2: in the future, once they have the ability to track

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Speaker 2: you and and have your all your comments and activity

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Speaker 2: on social media aligned to you, you don't worry that

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Speaker 2: they might use that against you.

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean there is that, but you know, there's

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Speaker 16: a lot of people on here that are that are

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Speaker 16: into hunting and sport with firearms you have actually the

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Speaker 16: government has a shopping list of what firearms you own

501
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Speaker 16: if you ever, you know, your your license with it.

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Speaker 16: You know, you got to register them these days. So

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Speaker 16: it's it's sort of a bit backwards. I don't like

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Speaker 16: that side of it, but I think there needs to

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Speaker 16: be a bit of accountability, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 16: And you know it's it's it's getting to the point

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Speaker 16: now though, where you know you've got you know, it's

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Speaker 16: like you know, I saw this real fat dude eating

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Speaker 16: with a steel spoon, you know, at a restaurant, and

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Speaker 16: I thought, oh, that's disgusting. So now I just used plastic,

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Speaker 16: and you know, I just thought, well, you know what,

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Speaker 16: what's more dangerous, you know, is it? Is it the

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Speaker 16: social media? Is it the spoon? Maybe they need to

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Speaker 16: ban the spoon for the fat dudes or whatever, you know,

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Speaker 16: because it's it's all it comes down to, eat person,

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Speaker 16: do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 17: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't kind of get the spoon. Analygy don

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Speaker 2: could you explain that for me?

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Speaker 17: Well, so you look at you look at it like this.

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Speaker 16: You know, you could say that social media is bad,

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Speaker 16: and yet it is bad in many ways and it's

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Speaker 16: great in many ways.

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Speaker 17: You know a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I see. You were saying, it's the it's

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Speaker 2: the it's the choice to use it.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, So somebody could somebody somebody could use the spoon

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Speaker 16: to eat kena and and then the other then the

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Speaker 16: other person could could be be stuff in the bath

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Speaker 16: full of.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, so so that's the issue. But you know, and

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Speaker 16: I'll tell you one thing. You know, I was actually

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Speaker 16: looking up the other day I was you know, you

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Speaker 16: talk about you know how it's almost like the phone

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Speaker 16: listens to you, right.

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Speaker 2: And it does.

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Speaker 16: And so the other day I was looking up deals

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Speaker 16: at Valentine's and then all of a sudden, I've got

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Speaker 16: this free Palestine. And I was thinking, well, I was

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Speaker 16: looking for free Valentines and then some deals Almuenstein's as well.

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Speaker 16: So I was just a little bit confused as how

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Speaker 16: how that how that sort of come across?

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Speaker 2: It's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is very good. I mean the algorithm

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Speaker 3: did quite nail that. If you're looking for those Palestine

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Speaker 3: deals and it gives you Palestine instead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you call don great analogy with

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Speaker 2: the spoon. But I mean, that's that's the thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's like you can you know, there's this, as I

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Speaker 2: say before, there's a lot addictive stuff in this world, right,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of addictive stuff in the world. You

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Speaker 2: can choose, you know, yeah, you know there's a lot

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00:27:19,093 --> 00:27:21,973
Speaker 2: of addictive stuff in this world, and something's going to

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00:27:22,013 --> 00:27:24,653
Speaker 2: get you if you don't take control of yourself in

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Speaker 2: some regard, right, yep, very true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Right, coming up after the break, we're gonna have

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Speaker 3: a chat with Katherine Weed. She's a National MP and

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Speaker 3: she is behind this. Members built a banned social media

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Speaker 3: for under sixteens. It was sitting in that Select committee,

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Speaker 3: so we're going to have a chat to her next

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Speaker 3: but still keen to hear from you. Oh, eighte hundred

563
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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

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Speaker 3: is twenty to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

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Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Sai'd be afternoon. It is eighteen to two. So, as

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Speaker 3: we've been discussing, Meta's regional director of policy, Mia Garlic

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Speaker 3: told MPs during the Select Committee that Instagram is not

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Speaker 3: inherently addictive. It's on the back of National MP Catherine

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Speaker 3: Weed's members built a band social media for under six

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Speaker 3: themes and Catherine Weird joins us. Now, very good afternoon

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Speaker 3: to you.

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Speaker 18: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Now do you think that there are things intentionally used

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Speaker 2: on the Meta platform to get people addicted?

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Speaker 18: Well, there's no doubt that social media is addictive and

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Speaker 18: the constant scrolling, you know, studies show it does release

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Speaker 18: dopening I feel good feeling through the lights. The comments

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Speaker 18: and the constant new content that becomes addictive to wanting

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Speaker 18: to scroll, wanting to see more, wanting to see more, lights,

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Speaker 18: the comments, and I think from kids point of view,

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Speaker 18: it's very difficult to control that. It's hard enough for

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Speaker 18: adults to control, let alone children. And that's why I

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Speaker 18: think that we need to look seriously at protecting our

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Speaker 18: children and regulating social media for under sixteen year olds,

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Speaker 18: because of course that addiction leads to other places. It

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Speaker 18: leads to side the bullying, it leads to anxiety, to depression,

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Speaker 18: and so some of our kids going into deep dark

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Speaker 18: places on social media. So absolutely it is addictive and.

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Speaker 2: Dangerous, so addictive, But do you believe it's intentionally addictive?

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Speaker 18: I think that the algorithms and the way in which

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Speaker 18: content is served up is concerning, particularly for our young

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Speaker 18: children who will have content set at them, and for

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Speaker 18: some young children they don't understand the content itself and

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Speaker 18: how harming that potentially could be.

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Speaker 2: And yes, so specifically, what sort of damage do you

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Speaker 2: think that social media is doing well?

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Speaker 18: I think that you know, it's easy for a ten

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Speaker 18: year old to set up an account and to pose

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Speaker 18: as sixteen year old. It's equally easy for a four

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Speaker 18: eight year old man to pose as a twelve year

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Speaker 18: old girl. And that's concerning because you know, we are

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Speaker 18: seeing the harms and we're seeing the cases come through,

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Speaker 18: you know, not just in that respect in terms of

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Speaker 18: you know, exploitation and exploitation, but also the harms that

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Speaker 18: we're seeing with mental health, in terms of anxiety, depression.

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Speaker 18: And these are concerning for our young people. And that's

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Speaker 18: why I bought this bill for it, and I believe

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Speaker 18: that we need to move and do more as governments

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Speaker 18: around the world to protect our young children from the

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Speaker 18: online harm. And you can see governments around the world

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Speaker 18: moving to protect our kids.

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Speaker 3: So clearly, Catherine, you've put forward this bill and it

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Speaker 3: is a tangible thing that you're pushing forward to ban

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Speaker 3: these platforms for under sixteen. But do you think the

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Speaker 3: platforms that have a wider responsibility if there are addictive

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Speaker 3: harms or elements of those plays forms that are damaging

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Speaker 3: people's mental health, that are causing those addictive features, do

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Speaker 3: you think they have a responsibility to do something about that.

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Speaker 18: I think they absolutely have responsibility, and my bill puts

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Speaker 18: the onus on the social media companies to take more

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Speaker 18: responsibility in terms of age verification and ensuring that the

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Speaker 18: people that are on the platforms are the age that

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Speaker 18: they say they are. And at the moment, the social

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Speaker 18: media platforms aren't doing enough in this space, and I

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Speaker 18: think they need to do more. They need to take

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Speaker 18: on a social responsibility as well.

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Speaker 2: But what does that mean for free speech? If every

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Speaker 2: single person has to apply an ID to well, let's

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Speaker 2: face facts, an American social media company, a corporation and

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Speaker 2: identify themselves online, what does that do for free speech

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Speaker 2: in our democracy?

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Speaker 18: Oh, I think there's always platforms that people can express themselves.

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Speaker 18: But I think this is really about protecting our children

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Speaker 18: and our most vulnerable from the harms of social media

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Speaker 18: and the platforms, not just from the content that's been

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Speaker 18: set up to them, but the predators that we see

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Speaker 18: that are approaching our young girls and young children. And

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Speaker 18: so at the moment, there's not a lot of restriction

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Speaker 18: in the online world. You know, we have restrictions in

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Speaker 18: the physical world when it comes to alcohols, aping, smoking,

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Speaker 18: and driving, but we had very few restrictions in the

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Speaker 18: online world. And there are hardly any safety rails and

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Speaker 18: seatbelts to protect our kids online. So you know, that's

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Speaker 18: why I'm making a stand and I'm championing a bill

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Speaker 18: which will regulate social media for under sixteen year olds.

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Speaker 2: But you do understand what what's been saying by a

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Speaker 2: lot of people that often restrictions are coming on the

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Speaker 2: back of safety concerns, and then they take rights from

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Speaker 2: people and well meaning, well meaning for the safety of

652
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Speaker 2: of our children. But then you know, it can have

653
00:33:13,573 --> 00:33:18,133
Speaker 2: consequences on free speech. So you know, how are you

654
00:33:18,173 --> 00:33:19,693
Speaker 2: balancing that in your mind?

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Speaker 18: You know, look, I'm hearing from more and more concerned

656
00:33:24,293 --> 00:33:29,253
Speaker 18: parents every day, school principles, teachers, medical professionals, and our

657
00:33:29,293 --> 00:33:33,093
Speaker 18: community that are concerned about the online harms children are

658
00:33:33,093 --> 00:33:36,773
Speaker 18: facing every day with the deep dark dangers of social media.

659
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Speaker 18: And you know, we hear it every day from cyberbillion,

660
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:44,853
Speaker 18: cases of sextortion, mounting instances of abuse, mental health issues,

661
00:33:45,173 --> 00:33:50,133
Speaker 18: eating disorders, social media addiction, and you know, inappropriate content

662
00:33:50,213 --> 00:33:53,893
Speaker 18: which has been fed to our innocent children every day,

663
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Speaker 18: every hour, every minute, every second a concern. It's a

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Speaker 18: concern for many people in our community, and I think

665
00:34:03,133 --> 00:34:05,973
Speaker 18: as governments, we need to do more to protect our

666
00:34:06,053 --> 00:34:06,733
Speaker 18: kids online.

667
00:34:08,453 --> 00:34:12,013
Speaker 2: Now an age band, it has been pointed out that

668
00:34:12,053 --> 00:34:15,053
Speaker 2: could be pretty hard to enforce and may actually push

669
00:34:15,133 --> 00:34:20,533
Speaker 2: teens to unsupervised platforms and using VPNs because the kids'

670
00:34:20,573 --> 00:34:25,013
Speaker 2: kids are incredibly smart and more savvy than we ever

671
00:34:25,053 --> 00:34:28,293
Speaker 2: were at their age. I mean, are you worried about that?

672
00:34:28,453 --> 00:34:32,413
Speaker 2: So you're being banned the slightly regulated platforms, and that

673
00:34:32,693 --> 00:34:34,853
Speaker 2: the and the ones that are out in the light,

674
00:34:35,013 --> 00:34:37,813
Speaker 2: and then the kids we'll just head off to to

675
00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:40,853
Speaker 2: the ones that operate in the dark, your fore chains.

676
00:34:40,613 --> 00:34:45,853
Speaker 18: And start, I think operationally. You know, that's what we

677
00:34:46,253 --> 00:34:50,333
Speaker 18: are looking at, looking at how we could implement and

678
00:34:50,573 --> 00:34:54,653
Speaker 18: enforce a ban or some kind of regulation or restriction.

679
00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:58,933
Speaker 18: And you know, ultimately it's not going to be perfect.

680
00:34:59,773 --> 00:35:03,373
Speaker 18: You know, we still see kids out there drinking, still

681
00:35:03,413 --> 00:35:07,333
Speaker 18: see kids out there vaping. You know, you can't stop everyone.

682
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:12,652
Speaker 18: But this is a out creating a consistent message that

683
00:35:12,733 --> 00:35:15,813
Speaker 18: the government says it's not okay. So it's not okay.

684
00:35:15,853 --> 00:35:17,933
Speaker 18: And if we look at the cell phone ban that

685
00:35:17,973 --> 00:35:21,692
Speaker 18: we've already brought in in schools, it's been really successful.

686
00:35:21,733 --> 00:35:23,933
Speaker 18: You know, I've got a lot of principles and teachers

687
00:35:23,933 --> 00:35:26,373
Speaker 18: now saying to me, hey, the kids are talking to

688
00:35:26,413 --> 00:35:29,373
Speaker 18: each other, they are engaging, they're focusing on their learning,

689
00:35:29,773 --> 00:35:33,413
Speaker 18: and so this is a natural progression from that where

690
00:35:33,453 --> 00:35:37,093
Speaker 18: we get our kids back to engaging and talking with

691
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Speaker 18: one another rather than on the screen.

692
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Speaker 3: Catherine, really appreciate you joining us on the show this afternoon.

693
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Speaker 3: All the best with the rest of the Select Committee

694
00:35:45,973 --> 00:35:49,533
Speaker 3: process and where the bill goes from here are the

695
00:35:49,653 --> 00:35:50,133
Speaker 3: very best.

696
00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:51,733
Speaker 18: Thank you.

697
00:35:52,293 --> 00:35:55,733
Speaker 3: That is National mp A. Katherine. We're behind the members

698
00:35:55,773 --> 00:35:58,212
Speaker 3: buill to ban social media for under sixteens.

699
00:35:58,493 --> 00:36:01,493
Speaker 2: Well, yes, so she thinks that the damage being done

700
00:36:01,653 --> 00:36:06,133
Speaker 2: by social media under sixteens is worth the taking away

701
00:36:06,133 --> 00:36:10,373
Speaker 2: of the freedom of expression, protection for whistle blowers and activists,

702
00:36:10,413 --> 00:36:13,773
Speaker 2: and just during protection of privacy and identity. So she

703
00:36:13,813 --> 00:36:15,933
Speaker 2: obviously thinks it's a very very serious issue.

704
00:36:16,053 --> 00:36:18,093
Speaker 3: Do you agree, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty Z.

705
00:36:18,253 --> 00:36:20,613
Speaker 3: Number to call it is nine to two.

706
00:36:21,133 --> 00:36:24,693
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

707
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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks B. It is seven to two. A whole

710
00:36:32,373 --> 00:36:33,933
Speaker 3: bunch of techs that comes through on this on nine

711
00:36:33,973 --> 00:36:34,652
Speaker 3: to two nine two.

712
00:36:35,133 --> 00:36:36,613
Speaker 2: The six says, I think it's a great idea to

713
00:36:36,653 --> 00:36:39,333
Speaker 2: regulate children's use of the Internet. However it does. This

714
00:36:39,373 --> 00:36:42,053
Speaker 2: woman realized that the way to do this will be

715
00:36:42,093 --> 00:36:44,813
Speaker 2: through digital id which will take away children's privacy for

716
00:36:44,853 --> 00:36:47,333
Speaker 2: the rest of their lives as they grow older. This

717
00:36:47,373 --> 00:36:50,973
Speaker 2: is a bigger concern in my mind. Surely the responsibility

718
00:36:51,013 --> 00:36:53,133
Speaker 2: is with the parents to oversee the children's use of

719
00:36:53,173 --> 00:36:56,453
Speaker 2: their phones or PCs. I mean, that's the thing I

720
00:36:56,493 --> 00:36:58,573
Speaker 2: was trying to say, and I think it's an incredibly

721
00:36:59,053 --> 00:37:03,013
Speaker 2: complex issue. But a lot of freedoms are taken away

722
00:37:03,573 --> 00:37:07,973
Speaker 2: with good intentions, with safety in mind. And actually that's

723
00:37:08,013 --> 00:37:12,013
Speaker 2: how nearly every freedom has taken off us, and how

724
00:37:13,053 --> 00:37:16,293
Speaker 2: freedom of speech is restricted. And once it's it's always

725
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:18,893
Speaker 2: with screams of safety. Yeah, that's right. But once it's

726
00:37:18,933 --> 00:37:21,893
Speaker 2: got you're saying there, I just got censored by myself

727
00:37:21,893 --> 00:37:24,293
Speaker 2: by turning that mic off accidentally.

728
00:37:24,413 --> 00:37:27,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, once it's gone, very difficult to get

729
00:37:27,093 --> 00:37:27,453
Speaker 3: that back.

730
00:37:27,653 --> 00:37:31,573
Speaker 2: And that's why it's an incredibly complex issue. The six says, Hey, gens,

731
00:37:31,613 --> 00:37:33,933
Speaker 2: I find it's so difficult to give out eleven and

732
00:37:33,973 --> 00:37:37,093
Speaker 2: eight year old's grief when there were watching videos on YouTube,

733
00:37:37,093 --> 00:37:38,893
Speaker 2: when my wife and I are on our own phones

734
00:37:38,933 --> 00:37:42,013
Speaker 2: going down rabbit holes on Facebook and Instagram. Of course

735
00:37:42,013 --> 00:37:45,253
Speaker 2: they are all addictive and affect our mental health. Draw.

736
00:37:45,293 --> 00:37:46,813
Speaker 2: I mean that sort of comes down to the parental

737
00:37:46,853 --> 00:37:51,573
Speaker 2: responsibility part of it, doesn't it. Yeah that if you

738
00:37:51,613 --> 00:37:54,573
Speaker 2: are on your devices all the time, then you're just

739
00:37:55,093 --> 00:37:57,133
Speaker 2: louder than you're telling your kids to be on advice

740
00:37:57,493 --> 00:37:59,813
Speaker 2: on advice, you're telling your kids to be on a device. Yeah,

741
00:38:00,093 --> 00:38:00,413
Speaker 2: yea yeah.

742
00:38:00,493 --> 00:38:04,533
Speaker 3: Hypocritical, absolutely, Brian, We've got about ninety seconds you want

743
00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:07,893
Speaker 3: to respond to what Catherine we would say.

744
00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:10,732
Speaker 19: Yeah, I was listening along there. I think I got

745
00:38:10,733 --> 00:38:14,212
Speaker 19: to concern, similar to a lot of people, that you're

746
00:38:14,253 --> 00:38:18,853
Speaker 19: sort of suggesting that. Even Catherine there suggested a couple

747
00:38:18,893 --> 00:38:21,493
Speaker 19: of times during a little blood that you know, she

748
00:38:21,573 --> 00:38:24,173
Speaker 19: said something about on the forty eight year old posing

749
00:38:24,213 --> 00:38:26,212
Speaker 19: as a twelve year old, you know it'll be good

750
00:38:26,213 --> 00:38:28,013
Speaker 19: for that, And it's like, well, hang on saying that.

751
00:38:28,133 --> 00:38:30,773
Speaker 19: You are not only talking about kids, you're talking about

752
00:38:31,133 --> 00:38:34,413
Speaker 19: everyone having a digital ID, And I don't it's a

753
00:38:34,413 --> 00:38:37,613
Speaker 19: good thing. I think that slowly, by inch by inch,

754
00:38:37,693 --> 00:38:41,573
Speaker 19: that you know, everyone is becoming exposed to.

755
00:38:41,693 --> 00:38:42,533
Speaker 17: What could happen.

756
00:38:43,173 --> 00:38:44,733
Speaker 19: I think it was you, Matt said that if you

757
00:38:44,933 --> 00:38:48,133
Speaker 19: did have a not a be nine government, but if

758
00:38:48,173 --> 00:38:50,813
Speaker 19: you had an aggressive government for some reason in the future,

759
00:38:51,973 --> 00:38:55,573
Speaker 19: and if you need an example of that, just ask

760
00:38:55,613 --> 00:38:58,652
Speaker 19: one of the Canadian truckers that decided that protest over

761
00:38:58,693 --> 00:39:02,293
Speaker 19: there and promptly had all their bank accounts everything shut

762
00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:07,453
Speaker 19: down through their IDs and as seeing what it's like

763
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:10,293
Speaker 19: to have you pretty much your life just stopped by

764
00:39:10,333 --> 00:39:14,133
Speaker 19: a government that doesn't read with what you were protesting about.

765
00:39:14,413 --> 00:39:16,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you for your call, Brian. Yeah, I mean, obviously,

766
00:39:16,613 --> 00:39:18,173
Speaker 2: if you're going to have a digital idea, it's not

767
00:39:18,213 --> 00:39:20,533
Speaker 2: going to be just for the under sixteens. Everyone will

768
00:39:20,533 --> 00:39:23,413
Speaker 2: have to be id'd on there. And you know, you know,

769
00:39:23,453 --> 00:39:26,493
Speaker 2: there's there's whistleblowers, and there's there's there's people that need

770
00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:28,453
Speaker 2: things to say that don't necessarily want it to affect

771
00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:31,533
Speaker 2: their jobs. It's not all just troals abusing people out there. Yeah,

772
00:39:31,613 --> 00:39:35,213
Speaker 2: there is a discourse yep that that I don't know.

773
00:39:35,253 --> 00:39:38,013
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's more complicated than then

774
00:39:39,213 --> 00:39:40,453
Speaker 2: than nearly anything at the moment.

775
00:39:40,613 --> 00:39:42,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and a lot of people agree with that.

776
00:39:42,893 --> 00:39:46,253
Speaker 3: Great discussion. Thank you very much for all your calls

777
00:39:46,293 --> 00:39:49,733
Speaker 3: and Texas coming up after two o'clock. Let's have a

778
00:39:49,853 --> 00:39:52,813
Speaker 3: chat about hedges and fencers. This is going to be

779
00:39:52,813 --> 00:39:55,173
Speaker 3: a doozy. I wait, undred eight eighties. The number to go.

780
00:39:57,013 --> 00:39:58,013
Speaker 4: Talking with you.

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00:39:57,973 --> 00:40:02,653
Speaker 1: All afternoon is Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

782
00:40:02,693 --> 00:40:07,133
Speaker 3: It'd be afternoon, Welcome back into the program. Six past two.

783
00:40:07,693 --> 00:40:11,173
Speaker 2: Now earlier, we've got a text saying that from a

784
00:40:11,213 --> 00:40:14,773
Speaker 2: listener whose dog Rocky was having his first day on

785
00:40:14,853 --> 00:40:19,213
Speaker 2: his home alone and his CREATE big day, and the

786
00:40:19,293 --> 00:40:21,653
Speaker 2: radio has been left on, and so we were asked

787
00:40:21,933 --> 00:40:25,813
Speaker 2: to keep Rocky company through throughout the show. So if

788
00:40:25,853 --> 00:40:28,652
Speaker 2: you're listening, Rocky, you're a good boy, Rocky, What a

789
00:40:28,693 --> 00:40:31,453
Speaker 2: good boy? What a good boy? At home, home alone?

790
00:40:31,573 --> 00:40:34,212
Speaker 2: Being responsible? Then you create, You're not You're not ripping

791
00:40:34,293 --> 00:40:36,893
Speaker 2: up the couch, You're not you're not weighing anywhere. You're

792
00:40:36,933 --> 00:40:40,413
Speaker 2: not going through your dad's underdrawer. You are just sitting

793
00:40:40,453 --> 00:40:41,933
Speaker 2: there in the great being a good boy. What a

794
00:40:41,933 --> 00:40:42,613
Speaker 2: good boy, Rocky?

795
00:40:42,733 --> 00:40:46,573
Speaker 3: Make dad proud, Rocky, good boy? Right onto this conversation,

796
00:40:46,613 --> 00:40:49,373
Speaker 3: which is going to be a doozy. Fences and hedge

797
00:40:49,413 --> 00:40:53,253
Speaker 3: as they can cause endless navally tension in this beautiful

798
00:40:53,253 --> 00:40:55,573
Speaker 3: country of ours. It's all kicked off in Mount Eden.

799
00:40:55,613 --> 00:40:58,053
Speaker 3: We're an apartment owner wanted her hedge to grow two

800
00:40:58,053 --> 00:41:01,613
Speaker 3: point four meters for privacy. The body corporate disagreed. Now

801
00:41:01,613 --> 00:41:04,333
Speaker 3: it's ending up in the district court. But it raises

802
00:41:04,373 --> 00:41:08,333
Speaker 3: the wider question around hedges and fences in New Zealand

803
00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:12,253
Speaker 3: and causes all sorts of issues. And there'll be so

804
00:41:12,373 --> 00:41:15,213
Speaker 3: many people, thousands of people listening right now that have

805
00:41:15,253 --> 00:41:17,213
Speaker 3: probably had a bit of a barney with their neighbor

806
00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:20,493
Speaker 3: over a hedge or a fence that they disliked for

807
00:41:20,533 --> 00:41:21,453
Speaker 3: some reason or the other.

808
00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:25,093
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is with hedges, which was great about them.

809
00:41:25,213 --> 00:41:27,253
Speaker 2: What I always thought was the way you go because

810
00:41:27,293 --> 00:41:30,093
Speaker 2: you might have like a fence height restriction, but you

811
00:41:30,133 --> 00:41:31,813
Speaker 2: take that fence down and you put a hedge there,

812
00:41:31,893 --> 00:41:34,013
Speaker 2: and then you can just creep it higher and higher

813
00:41:34,013 --> 00:41:38,133
Speaker 2: and higher. You can make your fence any high height

814
00:41:38,173 --> 00:41:40,533
Speaker 2: you want, just by where you choose to cut the

815
00:41:40,533 --> 00:41:44,133
Speaker 2: top of it. And you know, I'm moving into a

816
00:41:44,173 --> 00:41:47,373
Speaker 2: new property soon and I was looking at the fence

817
00:41:47,413 --> 00:41:48,853
Speaker 2: line a was going, you know what, I might knock

818
00:41:48,893 --> 00:41:51,293
Speaker 2: that fence down and I might just grow myself a big, old,

819
00:41:51,413 --> 00:41:52,373
Speaker 2: dirty old.

820
00:41:54,653 --> 00:41:57,733
Speaker 3: Hedge like the sound of that. Yeah, oh, eight hundred

821
00:41:57,893 --> 00:42:00,733
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. So I got to say, when it

822
00:42:00,773 --> 00:42:03,053
Speaker 3: comes to a hedge on your own property, it can

823
00:42:03,133 --> 00:42:06,133
Speaker 3: let it grow as long as you're not annoying your

824
00:42:06,173 --> 00:42:09,813
Speaker 3: neighbor or blocking off some sun or it's encroaching on

825
00:42:09,893 --> 00:42:12,773
Speaker 3: their property. What does a neighbor have a problem with

826
00:42:12,893 --> 00:42:14,133
Speaker 3: a nice, beautiful hedge.

827
00:42:14,493 --> 00:42:16,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's different with trees. And look, we

828
00:42:16,533 --> 00:42:18,133
Speaker 2: want to talk about one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

829
00:42:18,173 --> 00:42:20,613
Speaker 2: You talk about the hedge issues you've had in your

830
00:42:20,653 --> 00:42:23,173
Speaker 2: life and tree issues. But I think, as I was

831
00:42:23,173 --> 00:42:26,093
Speaker 2: saying before, it's bizarre that people will allow a tree

832
00:42:26,133 --> 00:42:29,293
Speaker 2: to grow over into someone else's property. Trees are different

833
00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:32,212
Speaker 2: from hedges. But someone will have a tree in their backyard, right,

834
00:42:32,413 --> 00:42:33,733
Speaker 2: and then it will start to grow, and then a

835
00:42:33,773 --> 00:42:38,013
Speaker 2: branch will extend out over someone's property, or the leaves

836
00:42:38,053 --> 00:42:39,813
Speaker 2: will come up and will start blocking the sun. Right.

837
00:42:40,213 --> 00:42:43,973
Speaker 2: But if you started building a structure, if you started

838
00:42:43,973 --> 00:42:46,292
Speaker 2: just nailing little bits of wood to other bits of wood,

839
00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:49,373
Speaker 2: so it slowly extended out over into someone else's property,

840
00:42:49,413 --> 00:42:52,493
Speaker 2: and you started nailing little umbrellas to it, which leaves

841
00:42:52,573 --> 00:42:55,613
Speaker 2: essentially are, you would be considered crazy and it would

842
00:42:55,653 --> 00:43:00,413
Speaker 2: be an incredibly shocking thing to do to your neighbor. Yeah,

843
00:43:00,573 --> 00:43:02,652
Speaker 2: and being caught straight away. And yeah, that's happening all

844
00:43:02,653 --> 00:43:07,413
Speaker 2: the time, trees encroaching over into other people's properties, into light.

845
00:43:07,613 --> 00:43:09,652
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, I'd love to know this. Do

846
00:43:09,733 --> 00:43:10,413
Speaker 2: you have any right?

847
00:43:10,453 --> 00:43:13,652
Speaker 3: Obviously you can take off whatever branches are coming into

848
00:43:13,693 --> 00:43:16,053
Speaker 3: your property, but do you have any right to go

849
00:43:16,173 --> 00:43:18,373
Speaker 3: and to your neighbor. I'm sick of that tree growing

850
00:43:18,413 --> 00:43:20,973
Speaker 3: into my yard. I need you to take it down,

851
00:43:21,013 --> 00:43:22,692
Speaker 3: and I'll help you do that. I don't know if

852
00:43:22,693 --> 00:43:24,493
Speaker 3: you do, but i'd love to hear anybody that's been

853
00:43:24,493 --> 00:43:27,053
Speaker 3: in that situation. Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is

854
00:43:27,173 --> 00:43:29,293
Speaker 3: the number to call. Nine two nine two is the

855
00:43:29,413 --> 00:43:31,853
Speaker 3: text number. It is ten past two.

856
00:43:32,133 --> 00:43:34,773
Speaker 2: It's not The dog's not in a crate like locked

857
00:43:34,813 --> 00:43:38,853
Speaker 2: in a crate, texters, Rocky, good boy, rocky listening, good joy.

858
00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:41,413
Speaker 2: It's just a sleeping crate. He can climb in and

859
00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:42,013
Speaker 2: out of the crate.

860
00:43:42,173 --> 00:43:44,493
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, super safe for dogs. Yeah yeah, if you're

861
00:43:44,493 --> 00:43:46,853
Speaker 3: a dog owner, crates are the best thing. It is

862
00:43:46,933 --> 00:43:49,813
Speaker 3: ten past too. Keen to hear your stories about fences

863
00:43:49,853 --> 00:43:52,933
Speaker 3: and hedges. If you've ever had a situation with your neighbor,

864
00:43:53,013 --> 00:43:55,333
Speaker 3: we're keen to hear it. It is ten past two.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 4: Call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

867
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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Jill. It is thirteen pass too, So

868
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Speaker 3: we're talking about hedges. It's all kicked off and mount

869
00:44:11,933 --> 00:44:13,733
Speaker 3: eat and over a hedge. But we're keen to hear

870
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Speaker 3: on you from you on your stories about if you've

871
00:44:16,453 --> 00:44:19,212
Speaker 3: ever had a barneie with your neighbor over a particular hedge,

872
00:44:19,253 --> 00:44:21,933
Speaker 3: and what are your rights when it comes to a

873
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Speaker 3: huges neighboring both properties.

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Speaker 2: Wow, this is an amazing newsflash. Hedges of trees? Is

875
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Speaker 2: this text? I didn't know that that's what hedges were

876
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Speaker 2: made out of. Is that all this time apparently hedges

877
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Speaker 2: are just a row of trees. That actually, actually, when

878
00:44:35,493 --> 00:44:37,213
Speaker 2: I was a kid, I didn't know that. I remember

879
00:44:37,253 --> 00:44:39,493
Speaker 2: the day I realized that. It sounds silly, but I

880
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Speaker 2: thought hedges were different things. I didn't realize they were.

881
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Speaker 2: I thought hedges were one thing. Yeah, I didn't realize

882
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Speaker 2: that we're a bunch of trees. Just just cut together.

883
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but thank you for that text, Phil.

884
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Speaker 2: How are you mate?

885
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Speaker 15: Oh?

886
00:44:53,293 --> 00:44:53,772
Speaker 2: Very good.

887
00:44:53,933 --> 00:44:55,652
Speaker 3: So what do you reckon about hedges if you had

888
00:44:55,653 --> 00:44:57,453
Speaker 3: a bit of a barnie with your neighbor over a hedge.

889
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Speaker 12: Oh no, I've got fabulous neighbors. We just don't talk

890
00:45:01,213 --> 00:45:03,973
Speaker 12: to each other about our high fences or our hedges

891
00:45:04,093 --> 00:45:07,333
Speaker 12: or a tree. But I was just ringing really just

892
00:45:07,373 --> 00:45:09,692
Speaker 12: to let you know that it's actually against the law

893
00:45:10,093 --> 00:45:12,853
Speaker 12: if you trim your your neighbor's tree on your side,

894
00:45:13,013 --> 00:45:15,533
Speaker 12: probably you're supposed to give it back to them. It's

895
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Speaker 12: actually illegal for you to dispose of it.

896
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Speaker 2: Is that right?

897
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Speaker 3: So you're weak off the branches and then you've got

898
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Speaker 3: well if you just throw it over the fences, that

899
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Speaker 3: job done.

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Speaker 17: Well.

901
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Speaker 12: There will cause a will probably cause an argument, but yeah,

902
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Speaker 12: just in the bylaws' is supposed to actually give it back.

903
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Speaker 12: But just out of curtessy, we always cut with you know,

904
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Speaker 12: you trim the trees on your side, probably you're disposed

905
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Speaker 12: of it yourself. But yeah, they've got every right to

906
00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:44,493
Speaker 12: claim if you've throat disposed of it, every right to

907
00:45:44,893 --> 00:45:47,253
Speaker 12: say that you had no right to trim the tree,

908
00:45:47,733 --> 00:45:49,813
Speaker 12: and the law would be on their side.

909
00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:54,333
Speaker 2: What's the so so if the tree, if tree grows upwards,

910
00:45:54,333 --> 00:45:56,773
Speaker 2: so it's still on the property of the neighbor. And

911
00:45:56,813 --> 00:45:58,613
Speaker 2: this is something I should know because I've had neighbors

912
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Speaker 2: for a long time and it starts blocking your light?

913
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Speaker 2: Have you because you know if they if they put

914
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Speaker 2: another story on top of their house, they'd have to

915
00:46:05,253 --> 00:46:07,172
Speaker 2: get your permission if it was going to block your

916
00:46:07,253 --> 00:46:09,653
Speaker 2: light or viewer stuff? Is what are the rules around

917
00:46:09,693 --> 00:46:12,253
Speaker 2: that around a tree getting too big in someone's property?

918
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Speaker 2: Do you know, Phil?

919
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Speaker 12: No, I know that there is some sort of restriction

920
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Speaker 12: as far as light goes. But yeah, my ranging through

921
00:46:24,573 --> 00:46:27,172
Speaker 12: is really just around you know, you've got a dirty,

922
00:46:27,173 --> 00:46:30,573
Speaker 12: big branch hanging over your fence, and you know it's

923
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Speaker 12: hanging on your side of the property and it's been

924
00:46:32,613 --> 00:46:34,732
Speaker 12: a nuisance or the dropping it's leads into your pool.

925
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Speaker 12: Normally would just wake it off and dispose of it,

926
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Speaker 12: but you can actually, yeah, get prosecuted for that.

927
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, maybe they want to use it for firewood.

928
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Speaker 2: As we were talking about the other day. You know

929
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Speaker 2: that they've grown it, it's used their resources on their

930
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Speaker 2: property to grow it. Yeah, so they so you own

931
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Speaker 2: the whole tree, even if it's you know, encroaching into

932
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Speaker 2: your property, even if it's growing through the kitchen window

933
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Speaker 2: in the neighbor's house. Yeah, that feels wrong. Oh, one

934
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call. George.

935
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Speaker 2: You're an arboris, so you'd be across most of this, Yes, yeah.

936
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Speaker 20: We're around it every day.

937
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Speaker 3: So when it comes to well, let's pick up on

938
00:47:07,373 --> 00:47:09,573
Speaker 3: what Phil was saying, is a right that if there

939
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Speaker 3: you've got a neighbor and they've got a dirty, big

940
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Speaker 3: tree and the branches are coming over your side, if

941
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Speaker 3: you cut off those branches on your side, you've got

942
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Speaker 3: to give it back.

943
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Speaker 2: To the neighbor.

944
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Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, you are supposed to. I mean, no one

945
00:47:20,893 --> 00:47:23,973
Speaker 20: really does. But I mean if you cut the tree

946
00:47:24,013 --> 00:47:26,893
Speaker 20: that was hanging over and the neighbor hated you for

947
00:47:26,933 --> 00:47:28,453
Speaker 20: it here, they could take you to court for it

948
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Speaker 20: far out.

949
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Speaker 3: So I mean, that's that is a crazy piece of legislation,

950
00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:36,453
Speaker 3: am I in my mind that you know, it's it's

951
00:47:36,533 --> 00:47:39,373
Speaker 3: encroaching on your property and it might be god knows

952
00:47:39,413 --> 00:47:41,773
Speaker 3: what the tree might be, might be dropping rotten fruit

953
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Speaker 3: on the ground.

954
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Speaker 2: So you've got no real right.

955
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Speaker 3: Just to chop it off without having a chat with them.

956
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Speaker 20: You can cut it off. You've just got to give it.

957
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Speaker 2: Back, right, Hey, So what about that issue before, George,

958
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Speaker 2: What rights does the neighbor have if if the tree

959
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:59,093
Speaker 2: and like say, you've got a neighbor and they've got

960
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Speaker 2: a big tree in the yard and you're and on

961
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Speaker 2: the other side of the fence that the tree gets

962
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Speaker 2: so big it's it's it's blocking light into the other

963
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Speaker 2: person's house. Do they do they have any rights there

964
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Speaker 2: to ask for the tree to be cut down or

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Speaker 2: enforced it being cut down or trimmed.

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Speaker 20: Well, it gets quite quite confusing because the problem these

967
00:48:19,693 --> 00:48:22,813
Speaker 20: trees grow so slowly, so nobody really knows, you know,

968
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Speaker 20: you don't notice it until it's a big problem. And

969
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Speaker 20: then to get a tree cut down, removed or trimmed

970
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Speaker 20: is a very very expensive Yeah, and some people have

971
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Speaker 20: like tied to the tree. They're you know, they're planted

972
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Speaker 20: it fifty years ago and it was their grandmother's or

973
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Speaker 20: and so you know, it's more of a conversation you've

974
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Speaker 20: got to have with the neighbor and try to ask

975
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Speaker 20: them nicely. Yeah, because as soon as you go like

976
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Speaker 20: the court ways and.

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Speaker 17: That you know, you're going to be throwing a lot.

978
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Speaker 20: Of money at something that's you know, it's quite difficult

979
00:48:53,733 --> 00:48:56,693
Speaker 20: because it's not it's their tree, it's their property.

980
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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

982
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Speaker 20: It would be like you guys having a deck that's consented,

983
00:49:02,533 --> 00:49:04,093
Speaker 20: and then the neighbor going, heha, I don't like that.

984
00:49:04,173 --> 00:49:05,053
Speaker 20: I want you to remove it.

985
00:49:05,853 --> 00:49:10,293
Speaker 21: Well, you know it's already there, remind Yeah, yeah, but

986
00:49:10,373 --> 00:49:12,213
Speaker 21: you can see how I mean. I you know, obviously,

987
00:49:12,613 --> 00:49:14,493
Speaker 21: you know, if you want to put a second story,

988
00:49:14,493 --> 00:49:16,333
Speaker 21: as I was saying before, in your house, it's a huge,

989
00:49:16,853 --> 00:49:19,293
Speaker 21: a huge deal because it's you know, blocking views and

990
00:49:19,693 --> 00:49:20,693
Speaker 21: blocking light and stuff.

991
00:49:20,693 --> 00:49:22,253
Speaker 2: But you can just plant a tree and it can

992
00:49:22,253 --> 00:49:24,973
Speaker 2: go as as as big as you want. And I

993
00:49:24,973 --> 00:49:27,333
Speaker 2: felt really bad because one day I was talking to

994
00:49:27,373 --> 00:49:31,413
Speaker 2: my neighbor and I was just and I said, oh,

995
00:49:31,453 --> 00:49:33,533
Speaker 2: that tree. I was just talking and going that tree

996
00:49:33,853 --> 00:49:35,533
Speaker 2: on my property is getting quite big, isn't it. And

997
00:49:35,613 --> 00:49:38,093
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, that tree is the bane of my existence.

998
00:49:38,213 --> 00:49:40,813
Speaker 2: And I said what I said, it's just dropping needles

999
00:49:40,853 --> 00:49:43,693
Speaker 2: and blocking our light and it's just been incredibly horrible.

1000
00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:46,013
Speaker 2: And I felt so bad because I just hadn't thought,

1001
00:49:46,213 --> 00:49:49,773
Speaker 2: as you say, George, the trees grow so slowly that

1002
00:49:50,093 --> 00:49:53,093
Speaker 2: I didn't notice. I was actually every day doing this horrible,

1003
00:49:53,133 --> 00:49:57,493
Speaker 2: horrible thing to my my great neighbor, Kevin, and and

1004
00:49:57,573 --> 00:50:00,613
Speaker 2: so I called it an arborouslate yourself to cut it back,

1005
00:50:00,613 --> 00:50:02,333
Speaker 2: and I was quite happy to do it. And he

1006
00:50:02,533 --> 00:50:05,853
Speaker 2: was the joy, the joy that that man experienced and

1007
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:07,973
Speaker 2: his wife that I had done that, and I just

1008
00:50:08,053 --> 00:50:12,893
Speaker 2: didn't I was basically committing a horrific crime on him

1009
00:50:13,053 --> 00:50:15,893
Speaker 2: and his wife. Every day.

1010
00:50:15,853 --> 00:50:20,333
Speaker 20: Yeah, get stories every day from clients and neighbors. And

1011
00:50:20,453 --> 00:50:23,733
Speaker 20: there's the biggest issue has been somebody can't afford to

1012
00:50:23,773 --> 00:50:26,693
Speaker 20: do it on their own property. Yeah, and the neighbors

1013
00:50:26,773 --> 00:50:28,413
Speaker 20: are normally the ones that get us in the quote

1014
00:50:28,413 --> 00:50:30,133
Speaker 20: them and they're like, we have to pay for it

1015
00:50:30,173 --> 00:50:32,133
Speaker 20: because they can't afford it. And you know, it's been

1016
00:50:32,173 --> 00:50:34,453
Speaker 20: there for years and all that tume has annoyed us.

1017
00:50:34,453 --> 00:50:36,333
Speaker 20: So we're finally going to buy the bullet and pay

1018
00:50:36,373 --> 00:50:38,613
Speaker 20: to get it removed ourself, or trim it back because

1019
00:50:38,613 --> 00:50:40,733
Speaker 20: they won't let us remove it. But the problem is,

1020
00:50:40,733 --> 00:50:42,173
Speaker 20: once you're trimmer, try it will.

1021
00:50:42,013 --> 00:50:45,252
Speaker 2: Grow back faster, right, Yeah, it.

1022
00:50:45,133 --> 00:50:47,533
Speaker 20: Grows back three four times faster than it would if

1023
00:50:47,533 --> 00:50:48,373
Speaker 20: you didn't touch it.

1024
00:50:48,373 --> 00:50:50,013
Speaker 3: It's good business for you though, George.

1025
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Speaker 22: That's right.

1026
00:50:52,973 --> 00:50:56,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, Just a quick question, George on the hedges. So

1027
00:50:56,573 --> 00:50:58,813
Speaker 3: there is generally a situation down in our property in

1028
00:50:58,893 --> 00:51:01,293
Speaker 3: christ Church. We've got the fence line and that's all

1029
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:04,252
Speaker 3: agreed to, beautiful fence, but we've got hedges that were

1030
00:51:04,253 --> 00:51:06,613
Speaker 3: planted when we purchased the property and they're getting pretty

1031
00:51:06,613 --> 00:51:09,493
Speaker 3: big now. And I've always thought, just out of fairness,

1032
00:51:09,533 --> 00:51:11,453
Speaker 3: I'll keep it pretty much in line with the fence.

1033
00:51:11,493 --> 00:51:13,933
Speaker 3: But if I wanted to keep growing those is there

1034
00:51:13,933 --> 00:51:16,413
Speaker 3: a limit to how high those hedges can get as

1035
00:51:16,413 --> 00:51:20,373
Speaker 3: long as it's not interrupting that the lights into the

1036
00:51:20,413 --> 00:51:22,573
Speaker 3: neighbor's house, not.

1037
00:51:22,413 --> 00:51:26,613
Speaker 20: Particularly No, like, no, it's still a tree. It can

1038
00:51:26,653 --> 00:51:28,813
Speaker 20: grow as tall as you let it to go, and

1039
00:51:28,853 --> 00:51:31,133
Speaker 20: then that's when you start you'll start getting a problems obviouship.

1040
00:51:31,133 --> 00:51:33,613
Speaker 20: The neighbors get sick of it. But realistically, know the

1041
00:51:33,613 --> 00:51:35,573
Speaker 20: tree can grow as they can get. Let them grow

1042
00:51:35,613 --> 00:51:36,373
Speaker 20: as big as you want.

1043
00:51:37,453 --> 00:51:42,373
Speaker 2: Would you recommend, George, me just renting a chainsaw in

1044
00:51:42,413 --> 00:51:45,493
Speaker 2: a ladder and just having a go at the Douglas

1045
00:51:45,533 --> 00:51:47,573
Speaker 2: fhere in my backyard. What do you think I should

1046
00:51:47,573 --> 00:51:48,373
Speaker 2: get a professional limb.

1047
00:51:49,253 --> 00:51:50,573
Speaker 20: It depends if you want it to look.

1048
00:51:50,493 --> 00:51:50,893
Speaker 19: Nice or not.

1049
00:51:53,133 --> 00:51:55,373
Speaker 3: How big are we talking big, Douglas Firth.

1050
00:51:55,933 --> 00:51:59,133
Speaker 2: It's decent size. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking about

1051
00:51:59,173 --> 00:52:01,653
Speaker 2: like maybe I don't atually care how it looks. I

1052
00:52:01,693 --> 00:52:05,453
Speaker 2: actually wanted to look like everything's been amputated because it's

1053
00:52:05,453 --> 00:52:08,133
Speaker 2: a bit of a Yeah. No, I'm thinking I'm thinking

1054
00:52:08,173 --> 00:52:11,053
Speaker 2: I'll maybe employ someone like you. So maybe I'll write

1055
00:52:11,053 --> 00:52:14,133
Speaker 2: your number down. Where are you operating out of operating

1056
00:52:14,173 --> 00:52:14,693
Speaker 2: out of Auckland.

1057
00:52:14,773 --> 00:52:17,933
Speaker 3: Oh see that's handy, very handy, all right, George.

1058
00:52:17,613 --> 00:52:19,973
Speaker 2: George, I text you on a professional basis.

1059
00:52:20,213 --> 00:52:23,172
Speaker 3: All right, thanks buddy, Yeah, thanks for giving us a call.

1060
00:52:23,173 --> 00:52:24,693
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you

1061
00:52:24,733 --> 00:52:26,293
Speaker 3: had a problem with a tree or a hedge on

1062
00:52:26,333 --> 00:52:28,013
Speaker 3: your neighboring property, love to hear from you.

1063
00:52:28,213 --> 00:52:31,573
Speaker 2: Reality check muppets. Ask me how I know hedges and

1064
00:52:31,613 --> 00:52:34,893
Speaker 2: trees should need a resource consent. A thoughtless neighbor can

1065
00:52:34,893 --> 00:52:37,813
Speaker 2: slam a bloody great phota kawa right in your view

1066
00:52:37,853 --> 00:52:40,093
Speaker 2: line up to one hundred feet high, and you can't

1067
00:52:40,133 --> 00:52:42,333
Speaker 2: do a bloody thing about it. That's from John. That

1068
00:52:42,453 --> 00:52:44,533
Speaker 2: is a messive loophole, isn't it. I see that all

1069
00:52:44,573 --> 00:52:47,333
Speaker 2: the time, like these. You know I love a Podcawa,

1070
00:52:47,413 --> 00:52:49,853
Speaker 2: but hoops is beautiful. Yeah, the the you know our

1071
00:52:49,933 --> 00:52:54,172
Speaker 2: Christmas tree, but you know they grow up and then

1072
00:52:54,213 --> 00:52:56,573
Speaker 2: everyone goes to in credible and then just be a

1073
00:52:56,613 --> 00:52:57,212
Speaker 2: complete a.

1074
00:52:57,213 --> 00:52:59,973
Speaker 3: View, a messive, a massive view will.

1075
00:52:59,853 --> 00:53:02,293
Speaker 2: Be completely destroyed by a pod car and you can't

1076
00:53:02,293 --> 00:53:04,453
Speaker 2: do anything about it. Huge loophole, wasn't it that? It's

1077
00:53:04,493 --> 00:53:10,413
Speaker 2: this business head no one owes owns a view or

1078
00:53:10,453 --> 00:53:13,613
Speaker 2: any light, and at says this text down. Yeah, you

1079
00:53:13,653 --> 00:53:16,133
Speaker 2: don't own a view. You don't own a view. You'll

1080
00:53:16,173 --> 00:53:17,013
Speaker 2: pay a lot for review?

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00:53:17,133 --> 00:53:18,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, heicck here is that right?

1082
00:53:18,813 --> 00:53:19,493
Speaker 2: Do you own a view?

1083
00:53:19,933 --> 00:53:20,253
Speaker 7: All right?

1084
00:53:20,253 --> 00:53:23,133
Speaker 3: I would argue that you would own a view unless

1085
00:53:23,133 --> 00:53:26,133
Speaker 3: a big pahoops. I don't know a pahoot versus a view.

1086
00:53:26,373 --> 00:53:29,573
Speaker 3: That's a tricky one because you know you're you're fighting

1087
00:53:29,573 --> 00:53:30,413
Speaker 3: a native tree there.

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00:53:30,613 --> 00:53:33,293
Speaker 2: Well, you pay for review, as I say, but yeah,

1089
00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:34,973
Speaker 2: that's a very good That's a really hard thing to

1090
00:53:35,013 --> 00:53:37,293
Speaker 2: get my head around. Do you you don't own a view? No?

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00:53:37,293 --> 00:53:39,333
Speaker 3: No, I suppose you don't. Yeah, good text Oh eight

1092
00:53:39,453 --> 00:53:41,533
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighties. The number to call, it's twenty

1093
00:53:41,573 --> 00:53:42,293
Speaker 3: three past.

1094
00:53:42,013 --> 00:53:49,453
Speaker 1: Two Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred

1095
00:53:49,453 --> 00:53:51,533
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on youth talk, said.

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00:53:51,653 --> 00:53:53,413
Speaker 3: For a good afternoon to you. So we're talking about

1097
00:53:53,533 --> 00:53:56,853
Speaker 3: hedges and loopholes and trees. A bit of an issue

1098
00:53:56,893 --> 00:53:58,813
Speaker 3: in Mount Eden with a woman who wanted to grow

1099
00:53:58,853 --> 00:54:01,773
Speaker 3: her hedge to two point four meters for privacy, but

1100
00:54:01,813 --> 00:54:04,053
Speaker 3: it's ended up in the district court because there was

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00:54:04,053 --> 00:54:06,573
Speaker 3: some disagreement. But have you ever been in a situation

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00:54:06,613 --> 00:54:08,693
Speaker 3: where you've been arguing with your neighbors over the size

1103
00:54:08,693 --> 00:54:11,173
Speaker 3: of a tree or there here Joe eight hundred and

1104
00:54:11,173 --> 00:54:12,293
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighties and number.

1105
00:54:12,133 --> 00:54:14,293
Speaker 2: To call and on that question that nearly broke my

1106
00:54:15,013 --> 00:54:17,933
Speaker 2: puny little brain. About do your own view? Yep, I've

1107
00:54:17,973 --> 00:54:20,453
Speaker 2: just been looking into this and it's quite complicated. No,

1108
00:54:20,573 --> 00:54:22,933
Speaker 2: in New Zealand you cannot own a view, as there

1109
00:54:23,013 --> 00:54:25,853
Speaker 2: is generally no legal right to view, though a view

1110
00:54:26,093 --> 00:54:29,813
Speaker 2: is an amenity that contributes to property value. That's the

1111
00:54:29,813 --> 00:54:31,413
Speaker 2: weird thing, because the view is a huge part of

1112
00:54:31,413 --> 00:54:34,053
Speaker 2: your value. You sell it, you sell it on the view. Yeah, However,

1113
00:54:34,093 --> 00:54:35,893
Speaker 2: you may be able to apply to the district court

1114
00:54:35,933 --> 00:54:38,053
Speaker 2: for an order to have a neighbor's trees trimmed or

1115
00:54:38,093 --> 00:54:41,293
Speaker 2: removed off that unduly obstruct your view according to the

1116
00:54:41,333 --> 00:54:45,693
Speaker 2: Property Law Act of two thousand and seven. Complex. Yeah,

1117
00:54:45,733 --> 00:54:48,733
Speaker 2: I mean it's a really good way to, I don't know,

1118
00:54:48,813 --> 00:54:51,772
Speaker 2: aggravate your neighbor if you wanted to lower the value

1119
00:54:51,773 --> 00:54:54,893
Speaker 2: of their property. Yeah, you love the value of their

1120
00:54:54,893 --> 00:54:58,333
Speaker 2: property by haiffing up a couple of bhoots to block

1121
00:54:58,373 --> 00:55:01,333
Speaker 2: their view. Yeah, and then buy them out for a

1122
00:55:01,333 --> 00:55:05,213
Speaker 2: pit of Michelle, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 23: Hi there, How are you going?

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00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:07,772
Speaker 2: Very good?

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Speaker 23: I was just about to bring out the Property Law

1126
00:55:11,333 --> 00:55:14,293
Speaker 23: Act two thousand and seven as the Balancing Act to

1127
00:55:14,373 --> 00:55:18,613
Speaker 23: Defensing Act nineteen seventy eight, because it does allow you

1128
00:55:18,813 --> 00:55:23,253
Speaker 23: to require if you go to a court to have

1129
00:55:23,373 --> 00:55:29,493
Speaker 23: your neighbors potentially trim their trees back. And it's because

1130
00:55:29,613 --> 00:55:32,813
Speaker 23: under section three three three and three three five of

1131
00:55:32,893 --> 00:55:37,373
Speaker 23: that Act, it specifically says that if your trees are

1132
00:55:37,413 --> 00:55:41,773
Speaker 23: a nuisance to your neighbors and cause under obstruction of you,

1133
00:55:43,093 --> 00:55:46,213
Speaker 23: under interference on their use of their own land for

1134
00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:50,813
Speaker 23: growing lawns, trees, crops, or anything under interference of the

1135
00:55:50,933 --> 00:55:55,533
Speaker 23: enjoyment of their land because of your trees, they leaves

1136
00:55:55,613 --> 00:55:59,652
Speaker 23: falling access to light, et cetera. And the rest and

1137
00:55:59,693 --> 00:56:03,133
Speaker 23: that includes draining and guttering with roots getting in that way.

1138
00:56:03,253 --> 00:56:06,813
Speaker 23: Then you can apply to the district court under those

1139
00:56:06,853 --> 00:56:09,013
Speaker 23: clauses in that Act to have of those trees.

1140
00:56:09,653 --> 00:56:12,133
Speaker 2: So the word is undue, So there's there's sort of

1141
00:56:12,173 --> 00:56:14,413
Speaker 2: some gray the gray area there is you have to

1142
00:56:14,413 --> 00:56:20,173
Speaker 2: prove that it's undue. You know, yes, yes, you would, yes.

1143
00:56:20,653 --> 00:56:23,373
Speaker 23: But the challenge in New Zealand is that those two

1144
00:56:23,413 --> 00:56:27,133
Speaker 23: acts are national acts, but at a regional level and

1145
00:56:27,213 --> 00:56:30,893
Speaker 23: local government level, the application of some of those things

1146
00:56:30,973 --> 00:56:36,333
Speaker 23: like hedges. In some jurisdictions, hedges are specifically labeled in

1147
00:56:36,373 --> 00:56:40,733
Speaker 23: the local authority acts around property and property boundaries, and

1148
00:56:40,893 --> 00:56:44,613
Speaker 23: in other jurisdictions like Auckland, they're not, and that becomes

1149
00:56:44,613 --> 00:56:45,733
Speaker 23: a problem.

1150
00:56:46,613 --> 00:56:50,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so can one oversee the other what has

1151
00:56:50,373 --> 00:56:52,652
Speaker 2: what rules under those circumstances?

1152
00:56:53,333 --> 00:56:56,373
Speaker 23: Well, no, not really because the Sensing Act, if you

1153
00:56:56,453 --> 00:57:00,733
Speaker 23: read it, is very strongly in favor of structures. But

1154
00:57:00,853 --> 00:57:03,773
Speaker 23: trees are structures and so they do exist and they

1155
00:57:03,773 --> 00:57:06,773
Speaker 23: do count as a type of fence if you have

1156
00:57:06,813 --> 00:57:11,732
Speaker 23: a hedge. But in local government there is often a mention.

1157
00:57:11,933 --> 00:57:15,693
Speaker 23: In some jurisdictions like you know, some local bodies down

1158
00:57:16,093 --> 00:57:20,053
Speaker 23: down outside of Auckland, they actually specifically talk about hedges

1159
00:57:20,213 --> 00:57:24,973
Speaker 23: being a challenge to that and having a jurisdiction or

1160
00:57:25,013 --> 00:57:30,173
Speaker 23: a you know, a level at which they can't go above.

1161
00:57:30,493 --> 00:57:34,333
Speaker 23: So for example, Central Otago has that right, some jurisdictions

1162
00:57:34,333 --> 00:57:37,893
Speaker 23: like a Warnica, I know that. But here in Auckland

1163
00:57:38,253 --> 00:57:42,053
Speaker 23: there is no mention whatsoever of hedges as living trees

1164
00:57:42,493 --> 00:57:47,293
Speaker 23: that constitute the local level, a local body level, your

1165
00:57:47,293 --> 00:57:49,813
Speaker 23: ability to control that. So you then have to revert

1166
00:57:49,853 --> 00:57:53,333
Speaker 23: that to the Fencing Act, the Property Law Act, which

1167
00:57:53,333 --> 00:57:58,213
Speaker 23: are you know, national national laws.

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00:57:58,573 --> 00:58:01,573
Speaker 2: That's so interesting because someone sarcastically takes through you know

1169
00:58:01,613 --> 00:58:04,413
Speaker 2: that hedges are just trees. It's like, well not in

1170
00:58:04,453 --> 00:58:08,053
Speaker 2: the eyes of not of the eyes of the regulations.

1171
00:58:08,053 --> 00:58:11,293
Speaker 2: It's yea, hedges aren't just't a line of trees.

1172
00:58:12,533 --> 00:58:14,973
Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean it just depends some As I said,

1173
00:58:14,973 --> 00:58:21,173
Speaker 23: some local bodies specifically put jurisdiction or restriction on hedges

1174
00:58:21,533 --> 00:58:23,453
Speaker 23: per se, no matter what you want to call them.

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00:58:23,533 --> 00:58:27,853
Speaker 23: You know, but trees are living. Hedges are living trees.

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00:58:27,853 --> 00:58:30,853
Speaker 23: So they actually fall under those two national acts, but

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00:58:31,093 --> 00:58:35,933
Speaker 23: at a local government level sometimes so sometimes they're just

1178
00:58:36,093 --> 00:58:38,653
Speaker 23: forgotten about, and unfortunately in Auckland they are they will

1179
00:58:38,733 --> 00:58:43,573
Speaker 23: never used. Music generations ago sort of put into the

1180
00:58:43,653 --> 00:58:48,253
Speaker 23: local government legislation which would come first before the national legislation.

1181
00:58:48,373 --> 00:58:50,613
Speaker 23: So you would go to accounts and go, I don't

1182
00:58:50,653 --> 00:58:52,693
Speaker 23: like my neighbor. I need them to cut down my hedge,

1183
00:58:52,693 --> 00:58:56,733
Speaker 23: please his hedge and it's restricting my light. And then

1184
00:58:56,773 --> 00:58:59,573
Speaker 23: if that doesn't happen or there's no ability to control

1185
00:58:59,613 --> 00:59:02,253
Speaker 23: it under local body laws, then you go to the

1186
00:59:02,333 --> 00:59:04,093
Speaker 23: national laws fencing acts.

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00:59:04,373 --> 00:59:06,093
Speaker 13: It is complete property law.

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00:59:06,573 --> 00:59:08,733
Speaker 3: I mean great to chat to you, Michelle. So either

1189
00:59:09,053 --> 00:59:12,733
Speaker 3: you're a lawyer involved in this area of legislation or

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00:59:13,013 --> 00:59:15,493
Speaker 3: I take it you you may have had a situation

1191
00:59:15,533 --> 00:59:18,533
Speaker 3: where you needed to scrub up on what the legislation is.

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00:59:19,773 --> 00:59:21,413
Speaker 23: Absolutely the latter the.

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00:59:21,413 --> 00:59:24,613
Speaker 2: Letter, Okay, what happened in that circumstance.

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00:59:29,493 --> 00:59:34,893
Speaker 23: The hedge was deemed all intents and purposes originally as

1195
00:59:34,933 --> 00:59:39,493
Speaker 23: being on the boundary, but then there was the need

1196
00:59:39,533 --> 00:59:43,533
Speaker 23: to negotiate with the neighbor on how tall the hedge got,

1197
00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:52,093
Speaker 23: and that became an annual process which was crest when

1198
00:59:52,133 --> 00:59:55,373
Speaker 23: it was on air northern side and their southern side.

1199
00:59:56,373 --> 01:00:02,733
Speaker 23: So ultimately what came about it became somewhat acrimonious, and

1200
01:00:02,773 --> 01:00:06,253
Speaker 23: what ultimately we determined to do was to get a

1201
01:00:06,293 --> 01:00:08,933
Speaker 23: survey and to just survey exactly where the boundary was

1202
01:00:09,933 --> 01:00:11,933
Speaker 23: and guess what it wasn't where the hedge was.

1203
01:00:12,533 --> 01:00:16,533
Speaker 2: Oh so how how far out? What was the sort

1204
01:00:16,573 --> 01:00:17,093
Speaker 2: of difference?

1205
01:00:18,693 --> 01:00:22,293
Speaker 23: Oh significant? Like yeah, a meter two and one point.

1206
01:00:22,053 --> 01:00:27,933
Speaker 2: Three meters game match? Yeah, encroachment correct, Yeah, yeah, that's theft.

1207
01:00:27,973 --> 01:00:28,693
Speaker 2: That is the.

1208
01:00:30,093 --> 01:00:32,213
Speaker 23: Yes, but it doesn't it doesn't make it in the

1209
01:00:32,293 --> 01:00:36,013
Speaker 23: easier way. You wish to now trim your hedge which

1210
01:00:36,053 --> 01:00:39,893
Speaker 23: you now own, and not as as on the boundary

1211
01:00:40,093 --> 01:00:43,413
Speaker 23: and the neighbors that you want to have a peaceful.

1212
01:00:43,133 --> 01:00:46,533
Speaker 2: And positive Well that's the whole thing. How much do that?

1213
01:00:46,693 --> 01:00:47,893
Speaker 2: How much do you want to go to war with

1214
01:00:47,933 --> 01:00:50,293
Speaker 2: your neighbors? You know that, you know there can be

1215
01:00:50,293 --> 01:00:51,853
Speaker 2: a lot of streets. The next thing you know, your

1216
01:00:51,853 --> 01:00:55,053
Speaker 2: house is getting builed and they don't call the fleeces. Yeah, yeah,

1217
01:00:55,173 --> 01:00:58,813
Speaker 2: welcome to my world. Yeah fascinating. Oh well, thank you

1218
01:00:58,893 --> 01:01:01,573
Speaker 2: so much for your call. It's been very informative, Michelle,

1219
01:01:01,693 --> 01:01:03,853
Speaker 2: appreciate it, very enlightening. Thank you very much.

1220
01:01:04,053 --> 01:01:06,253
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1221
01:01:06,533 --> 01:01:09,053
Speaker 2: The text from Simon, Hey, guys, perhaps not a very

1222
01:01:09,093 --> 01:01:11,573
Speaker 2: helpful contribution for me, it is, actually, but this chat

1223
01:01:11,613 --> 01:01:14,453
Speaker 2: reminded me during of that show Neighbors at War, a

1224
01:01:14,573 --> 01:01:17,733
Speaker 2: comedy gold Simon. Yeah, that one of the great shows.

1225
01:01:17,773 --> 01:01:20,533
Speaker 2: Such a good show, one of the great reality shows

1226
01:01:21,133 --> 01:01:24,253
Speaker 2: this country has ever had. I loved neighbors at all.

1227
01:01:24,293 --> 01:01:26,933
Speaker 3: They need to bring me back right taking your stories

1228
01:01:26,933 --> 01:01:28,453
Speaker 3: on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you

1229
01:01:28,453 --> 01:01:31,173
Speaker 3: want to send a ticks nine to nine two. Have

1230
01:01:31,293 --> 01:01:34,133
Speaker 3: you come across a situation where you've had to have

1231
01:01:34,173 --> 01:01:36,413
Speaker 3: a chat with your neighbor over hedges or trees?

1232
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:38,133
Speaker 2: Well, this is an interesting When I had a six

1233
01:01:38,493 --> 01:01:42,573
Speaker 2: meter high bamboo hedge on my property, I love the

1234
01:01:42,613 --> 01:01:44,813
Speaker 2: sound of a bamboo hedge, the noise it makes, Yeah,

1235
01:01:44,973 --> 01:01:47,413
Speaker 2: in the wind, it's cool. The neighbors got angry. I

1236
01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:50,493
Speaker 2: was removing it as they liked it, but there were

1237
01:01:50,613 --> 01:01:53,733
Speaker 2: hundreds of rats living in it. It was terrible, leaves

1238
01:01:53,773 --> 01:01:57,093
Speaker 2: clogging my place like nuts about thirty meters long. Yeah,

1239
01:01:57,093 --> 01:01:59,813
Speaker 2: that's an interesting one, isn't it. When you your neighbors

1240
01:01:59,853 --> 01:02:03,413
Speaker 2: don't want you to cut down the thing. Yeah, yeah,

1241
01:02:03,493 --> 01:02:06,533
Speaker 2: that is interesting. But comminated eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1242
01:02:06,533 --> 01:02:11,253
Speaker 2: We're talking about fence and hedges, not Benson and Hegess

1243
01:02:11,413 --> 01:02:12,453
Speaker 2: twenty seven to three.

1244
01:02:14,813 --> 01:02:18,573
Speaker 15: You talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis It's

1245
01:02:18,653 --> 01:02:22,453
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Foreign Ministers reiterated

1246
01:02:22,453 --> 01:02:25,693
Speaker 15: his calls for a ceasefire in Gaza on the second

1247
01:02:25,693 --> 01:02:30,293
Speaker 15: anniversary of Hamas's attack on Israel. Labour's holding firm and

1248
01:02:30,333 --> 01:02:33,813
Speaker 15: opposing a bill to ban protests outside homes, but is

1249
01:02:33,813 --> 01:02:37,813
Speaker 15: condemning a window being smashed in the Foreign Minister's home yesterday.

1250
01:02:38,213 --> 01:02:40,973
Speaker 15: Labour says the laws already clear on what is and

1251
01:02:41,173 --> 01:02:44,573
Speaker 15: isn't legal. More than three hundred people are being made

1252
01:02:44,613 --> 01:02:48,653
Speaker 15: to reset their practical driving test following fraud allegations at

1253
01:02:48,653 --> 01:02:52,293
Speaker 15: an Auckland VT and Z Police and MZTA looking into

1254
01:02:52,333 --> 01:02:56,013
Speaker 15: claims testing offices at the High Brook branch took money

1255
01:02:56,373 --> 01:03:00,933
Speaker 15: in return for passing applicants. The Coronial inquiry into the

1256
01:03:00,973 --> 01:03:04,973
Speaker 15: twenty nineteen Fakari White Island eruption is analyzing the time

1257
01:03:05,013 --> 01:03:08,933
Speaker 15: it took before emergency responders landed aircraft on the island.

1258
01:03:09,973 --> 01:03:12,053
Speaker 15: A twenty two year old who felled a man with

1259
01:03:12,093 --> 01:03:15,213
Speaker 15: a coward punch outside of Taranaki Rugby Club in July,

1260
01:03:15,893 --> 01:03:18,813
Speaker 15: then filmed and dying. Has been sent to prison for

1261
01:03:18,933 --> 01:03:23,013
Speaker 15: just over four years. ASP's agreed to settle a class

1262
01:03:23,053 --> 01:03:26,973
Speaker 15: action over alleged breaches of consumer finance laws and will

1263
01:03:27,013 --> 01:03:31,013
Speaker 15: pay plaintiffs more than one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars.

1264
01:03:31,653 --> 01:03:35,293
Speaker 15: Why New Zealand is asleep at the wheel on environmental policy.

1265
01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:39,133
Speaker 15: You can see the full column that ends at Herald Premium. Macnato,

1266
01:03:39,173 --> 01:03:40,413
Speaker 15: Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1267
01:03:40,453 --> 01:03:42,013
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, aray Lean.

1268
01:03:42,173 --> 01:03:46,013
Speaker 3: So we are talking about hedges and fences and trees.

1269
01:03:46,813 --> 01:03:49,093
Speaker 3: A bit of a situation in Mount Eden over a

1270
01:03:49,093 --> 01:03:51,533
Speaker 3: particular hedge where the owner wanted it to be two

1271
01:03:51,613 --> 01:03:54,173
Speaker 3: point four meters high, ended up in court, but it's

1272
01:03:54,213 --> 01:03:57,213
Speaker 3: pretty common around the country. Have you ever had an

1273
01:03:57,253 --> 01:03:59,933
Speaker 3: argument with your neighbor over a particular hedge or tree

1274
01:03:59,973 --> 01:04:00,693
Speaker 3: on your property?

1275
01:04:01,413 --> 01:04:03,853
Speaker 2: This Texas says reality check number two. So we had

1276
01:04:03,853 --> 01:04:07,213
Speaker 2: a reality check from him before from John again to

1277
01:04:07,293 --> 01:04:09,413
Speaker 2: prove and court your neighbor is an a hole with

1278
01:04:09,493 --> 01:04:12,933
Speaker 2: tree management is very expensive, competitive and very expensive, so

1279
01:04:13,053 --> 01:04:16,733
Speaker 2: doubly expensive there, very true, John Love John's reality checks. Yeah,

1280
01:04:17,213 --> 01:04:19,693
Speaker 2: arm trees are our problem here in Wellington. We have

1281
01:04:19,733 --> 01:04:23,213
Speaker 2: a neighbor with an enormous one that can't part with that.

1282
01:04:23,293 --> 01:04:26,933
Speaker 2: They can't part with it's the ugliest tree ever. Every

1283
01:04:26,973 --> 01:04:29,413
Speaker 2: few years they trim it and it grows back even faster,

1284
01:04:30,373 --> 01:04:34,053
Speaker 2: even overnight, and even uglier well, waiting and waiting for

1285
01:04:34,093 --> 01:04:36,813
Speaker 2: a storm to blow it over. I can't defend a

1286
01:04:36,813 --> 01:04:38,693
Speaker 2: gum tree. You're not a fan of a gum tree.

1287
01:04:38,813 --> 01:04:39,013
Speaker 4: Nah.

1288
01:04:39,093 --> 01:04:41,093
Speaker 3: They smell all right, But you know it's an aussy

1289
01:04:41,093 --> 01:04:42,893
Speaker 3: imput isn't it. It's no behoot.

1290
01:04:43,093 --> 01:04:47,373
Speaker 2: Okay, surely it's a case of not being a dick

1291
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Speaker 2: to your neighbor. Surely if you're both reasonable, there won't

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01:04:50,333 --> 01:04:53,013
Speaker 2: be an issue. And that's the key to it. I think.

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01:04:53,053 --> 01:04:56,173
Speaker 2: What is it Matthew twenty two thirty nine. Thou shalt

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01:04:56,213 --> 01:05:01,773
Speaker 2: love thy neighbors as thyself. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's

1295
01:05:01,773 --> 01:05:03,013
Speaker 2: the ideal situation, isn't it.

1296
01:05:03,093 --> 01:05:04,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, try and get the piece if you can, and

1297
01:05:04,973 --> 01:05:05,333
Speaker 3: you can do.

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01:05:05,413 --> 01:05:09,533
Speaker 2: You can uphold your end of that, you know, yeah,

1299
01:05:09,573 --> 01:05:12,413
Speaker 2: you shall. You can love thy neighbor as you said thyself.

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01:05:12,493 --> 01:05:15,533
Speaker 2: It's hopefully you just get that back in return. Yes,

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01:05:15,653 --> 01:05:19,013
Speaker 2: it's good. Advice from the Bible. Sometimes your neighbor isn't

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01:05:19,053 --> 01:05:22,053
Speaker 2: as magnanimous as you are. John, Welcome to the show.

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01:05:22,773 --> 01:05:26,373
Speaker 24: Yes afternoon, guys. I used to live in a little

1304
01:05:26,453 --> 01:05:30,533
Speaker 24: village called sent Bosh and there is a big, huge

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01:05:30,613 --> 01:05:34,933
Speaker 24: macro half of heads on two boundaries, and it was

1306
01:05:34,973 --> 01:05:40,773
Speaker 24: about fifteen feet high and about twelve feet wide. And

1307
01:05:40,853 --> 01:05:43,973
Speaker 24: the neighbor came over one Sunday and he said, I

1308
01:05:44,013 --> 01:05:46,173
Speaker 24: was just leading, you know, the diggers coming in to

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01:05:46,253 --> 01:05:50,173
Speaker 24: take the whole hedge outmorrow morning. And I said, you

1310
01:05:50,253 --> 01:05:52,253
Speaker 24: know that we're putting space on the market and.

1311
01:05:52,213 --> 01:05:53,173
Speaker 14: That's done it. Screw it.

1312
01:05:54,053 --> 01:05:56,893
Speaker 24: I said, if you paid me five thousand tasks, i'd

1313
01:05:56,933 --> 01:06:01,613
Speaker 24: wait until you're gone. But I got a hold of

1314
01:06:01,653 --> 01:06:07,493
Speaker 24: a lawyer and the hedge was put in about the

1315
01:06:07,573 --> 01:06:12,573
Speaker 24: turn of the stink, and the boundary sense was sort

1316
01:06:12,613 --> 01:06:15,533
Speaker 24: of in different parts of the hedge. But what he said,

1317
01:06:16,813 --> 01:06:19,573
Speaker 24: both parties, when you bought those properties, you knew where

1318
01:06:19,573 --> 01:06:23,293
Speaker 24: the head was. You can't touch it without the agreement

1319
01:06:23,333 --> 01:06:25,533
Speaker 24: of the other party.

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01:06:26,213 --> 01:06:26,493
Speaker 2: Yep.

1321
01:06:26,733 --> 01:06:30,293
Speaker 24: And so I thought that might be interesting some people.

1322
01:06:30,333 --> 01:06:33,533
Speaker 24: To some people in that hedge, it was probably two

1323
01:06:33,613 --> 01:06:37,253
Speaker 24: hundred feet long. But he used to put it yeah,

1324
01:06:37,253 --> 01:06:39,573
Speaker 24: it was a big head, but a big feature, and

1325
01:06:40,493 --> 01:06:44,773
Speaker 24: yeah it was a bit shocking. But that might help

1326
01:06:44,853 --> 01:06:48,173
Speaker 24: some of your listeners is that sometimes I was just

1327
01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:50,693
Speaker 24: lucky that I was given a name of a lawyer

1328
01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:54,693
Speaker 24: and he was retired in the cargo and he had

1329
01:06:54,693 --> 01:06:57,213
Speaker 24: the same exact issue on his property.

1330
01:06:57,413 --> 01:07:00,853
Speaker 14: So that's why I was. He said to me, no,

1331
01:07:01,133 --> 01:07:01,893
Speaker 14: I can't touch it.

1332
01:07:02,853 --> 01:07:05,653
Speaker 3: Very lucky. So the neighbor was effectively before you found

1333
01:07:05,693 --> 01:07:07,893
Speaker 3: this lawyer. He said, I've got to dig out. It's

1334
01:07:07,893 --> 01:07:09,533
Speaker 3: coming around more. I'm going to rip up the hedge

1335
01:07:09,533 --> 01:07:10,373
Speaker 3: whether you like it or not.

1336
01:07:11,213 --> 01:07:13,613
Speaker 14: Yeah, I'm going to take the complete heads out right.

1337
01:07:13,773 --> 01:07:16,133
Speaker 2: That's not a good neighbor A night and.

1338
01:07:16,093 --> 01:07:18,533
Speaker 24: Oh yeah, And then I said, you know that we're

1339
01:07:18,533 --> 01:07:22,053
Speaker 24: putting the house in the market and I said that

1340
01:07:22,253 --> 01:07:25,053
Speaker 24: was through the stale. And then he said, well, if

1341
01:07:25,053 --> 01:07:27,453
Speaker 24: you give me five thousand cash, I'll wait until you

1342
01:07:27,493 --> 01:07:32,693
Speaker 24: sell it. And it was a Sunday and I managed

1343
01:07:32,693 --> 01:07:35,973
Speaker 24: to speak to the lawyer on a Sunday night and

1344
01:07:36,013 --> 01:07:39,053
Speaker 24: we piped up a letter, went over. It was pretty late,

1345
01:07:39,133 --> 01:07:42,173
Speaker 24: called to eleven I think knocked on his door and

1346
01:07:42,213 --> 01:07:44,733
Speaker 24: he wouldn't have come to the door, and we pasted

1347
01:07:44,773 --> 01:07:47,693
Speaker 24: a note on the front door to stay you can't

1348
01:07:47,813 --> 01:07:52,253
Speaker 24: touch the hedge, blah blah blah, and honestly that was

1349
01:07:52,293 --> 01:07:52,773
Speaker 24: the end of it.

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01:07:52,853 --> 01:07:55,853
Speaker 3: Though yeah, well, John, I'm glad you called the right

1351
01:07:55,933 --> 01:07:58,693
Speaker 3: person in that circumstance. It does sound like you had

1352
01:07:58,733 --> 01:08:00,413
Speaker 3: a put of a dicket neighbor. Though, oh wait on

1353
01:08:00,453 --> 01:08:02,693
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. So

1354
01:08:02,853 --> 01:08:06,693
Speaker 3: many texts coming through a nine two nine two as well.

1355
01:08:06,853 --> 01:08:09,853
Speaker 2: Here we go, perfect topic. Hey, this is the perfect topic.

1356
01:08:09,973 --> 01:08:12,653
Speaker 2: That's what we like to hear. Fences and hedges is

1357
01:08:12,693 --> 01:08:16,492
Speaker 2: the perfect topic. Huge the scholar has real knowledge. That

1358
01:08:16,572 --> 01:08:19,973
Speaker 2: was the one earlier, Michelle. This should have been part

1359
01:08:19,973 --> 01:08:22,932
Speaker 2: of the RMA updated along with building. It is a nightmare.

1360
01:08:22,973 --> 01:08:25,532
Speaker 2: Councils use it as a massive revenue gatherer. Over one

1361
01:08:26,253 --> 01:08:29,333
Speaker 2: thousand for resource consent to apply to have a dead

1362
01:08:29,853 --> 01:08:33,213
Speaker 2: as in never going to live again, huge tree among

1363
01:08:33,253 --> 01:08:36,133
Speaker 2: houses cut down if it was protected. That's before any

1364
01:08:36,173 --> 01:08:40,213
Speaker 2: work starts. Really aggressive counsel arborus kept the fence and

1365
01:08:40,772 --> 01:08:44,372
Speaker 2: scrabbled like a rat up a drain pie at the roots.

1366
01:08:44,452 --> 01:08:48,293
Speaker 2: In case I had poisoned it, only clarks and doors

1367
01:08:48,452 --> 01:08:51,812
Speaker 2: could resuscitate me. From the panic attacks ensued after that

1368
01:08:51,893 --> 01:08:54,412
Speaker 2: bully and crap. Well, I was stunned by the attitude.

1369
01:08:54,452 --> 01:08:55,012
Speaker 2: That's from Katie.

1370
01:08:55,093 --> 01:08:59,173
Speaker 3: That is a fascinating story, Katie Kendy here your situation though,

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01:08:59,213 --> 01:09:02,213
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred that is a lot of stress. I

1372
01:09:02,213 --> 01:09:03,893
Speaker 3: don't mean to laugh at Katie there, but that was

1373
01:09:03,933 --> 01:09:04,732
Speaker 3: a hell of a journey.

1374
01:09:05,133 --> 01:09:10,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so one eight hundred eighty ten eighty will

1375
01:09:10,452 --> 01:09:14,253
Speaker 2: admit to poisoning a tree that they wanted to disappear.

1376
01:09:14,372 --> 01:09:16,852
Speaker 2: Come on, this is a safe space, secretly got away

1377
01:09:16,893 --> 01:09:18,692
Speaker 2: with just I mean, what do you do? You cut

1378
01:09:18,732 --> 01:09:20,173
Speaker 2: a ring around the bottom of it and do something

1379
01:09:20,213 --> 01:09:20,412
Speaker 2: to it?

1380
01:09:20,572 --> 01:09:22,812
Speaker 3: And someone mentioned copper nails before. If you ever tried

1381
01:09:22,853 --> 01:09:24,772
Speaker 3: that doesn't work. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1382
01:09:26,013 --> 01:09:26,812
Speaker 2: Have a chat with.

1383
01:09:26,772 --> 01:09:29,932
Speaker 1: The lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Matt Heathan

1384
01:09:30,013 --> 01:09:32,492
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

1385
01:09:32,293 --> 01:09:33,892
Speaker 2: Said, be pretty good afternoon to you.

1386
01:09:33,893 --> 01:09:36,972
Speaker 3: We've been talking about trees and hedges and neighbors at

1387
01:09:37,133 --> 01:09:40,053
Speaker 3: war and the phone lines just let up after I

1388
01:09:40,213 --> 01:09:42,852
Speaker 3: met you asked the question and the text machine for

1389
01:09:42,893 --> 01:09:46,093
Speaker 3: that matter, have you ever poisoned a tree or done

1390
01:09:46,133 --> 01:09:48,093
Speaker 3: something a little bit nefarious? So there's a couple of

1391
01:09:48,133 --> 01:09:48,972
Speaker 3: ticks coming through.

1392
01:09:50,812 --> 01:09:53,333
Speaker 2: Friends of mine got up a large protected tree on

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01:09:53,372 --> 01:09:57,333
Speaker 2: a beachfront property and a storm with a bottlejack. Okay,

1394
01:09:57,412 --> 01:09:59,493
Speaker 2: what's a bottle jack? It's what's a bottlejack?

1395
01:09:59,492 --> 01:10:00,412
Speaker 3: I don't know what a bottle jack?

1396
01:10:00,452 --> 01:10:02,812
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to google that one. Bottle jack?

1397
01:10:03,253 --> 01:10:06,972
Speaker 3: Okay, And this one says, what is a bottle jack?

1398
01:10:07,213 --> 01:10:10,053
Speaker 2: Well, it's like a I see you know, I know

1399
01:10:10,053 --> 01:10:11,933
Speaker 2: what you mean. It's like a or just saw it

1400
01:10:11,933 --> 01:10:15,012
Speaker 2: as a hydraulic lifting tool.

1401
01:10:15,133 --> 01:10:17,692
Speaker 3: Ah fancy, So it does sound exciting.

1402
01:10:17,732 --> 01:10:19,612
Speaker 2: So friends of mine got up a large projectory on

1403
01:10:19,652 --> 01:10:21,732
Speaker 2: a beach front property in a storm with a bottle jack.

1404
01:10:21,933 --> 01:10:24,492
Speaker 2: And what do they use the bottlejack to do? Someone

1405
01:10:24,572 --> 01:10:27,572
Speaker 2: under the cover of a storm. Someone smarter than Tyler

1406
01:10:28,093 --> 01:10:30,532
Speaker 2: and I ll Jim, you can give us more details.

1407
01:10:30,532 --> 01:10:32,173
Speaker 2: It's a good story. I'm interested in it. Yeah, nineteen

1408
01:10:32,293 --> 01:10:34,412
Speaker 2: nine ties the text number. It's known as a drill

1409
01:10:34,452 --> 01:10:37,532
Speaker 2: and fill. I mean, it's a risky thing to do

1410
01:10:37,652 --> 01:10:40,093
Speaker 2: because if it's a big tree and then it's just

1411
01:10:40,213 --> 01:10:43,133
Speaker 2: going to die and fall down on someone. Yeah, but

1412
01:10:43,293 --> 01:10:47,692
Speaker 2: you know, also, let's go to Mike. I'll collect my

1413
01:10:47,732 --> 01:10:49,293
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, Mike.

1414
01:10:50,093 --> 01:10:51,932
Speaker 14: Yeah, you get a fellows. How are you going today?

1415
01:10:51,973 --> 01:10:52,652
Speaker 14: Good subject?

1416
01:10:53,093 --> 01:10:53,652
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1417
01:10:54,452 --> 01:10:54,652
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1418
01:10:54,732 --> 01:10:59,333
Speaker 22: We had a we look brewerly and in the bay

1419
01:11:00,093 --> 01:11:03,932
Speaker 22: in a small town, and the house next door sold

1420
01:11:04,013 --> 01:11:07,412
Speaker 22: a new davia's payment, and we've got a problem plane

1421
01:11:07,492 --> 01:11:11,973
Speaker 22: tree between the two properties at the last remaining of

1422
01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:17,012
Speaker 22: a big stand of playing trees shelter belt and anyway,

1423
01:11:17,013 --> 01:11:18,812
Speaker 22: I gave our new neighbors a couple of weeks to

1424
01:11:18,893 --> 01:11:22,173
Speaker 22: move in and settle in, and I went and knocked

1425
01:11:22,213 --> 01:11:24,532
Speaker 22: on the door and introduced myself and I said, oh,

1426
01:11:24,692 --> 01:11:27,093
Speaker 22: I'd just like to talk to you about this this tree.

1427
01:11:27,173 --> 01:11:30,933
Speaker 22: It's a real problem that the brief system and the

1428
01:11:31,053 --> 01:11:33,253
Speaker 22: branches are all over our place as well, and it's

1429
01:11:33,412 --> 01:11:36,492
Speaker 22: it's the real problem. Anyway, I said, we're my wife

1430
01:11:36,492 --> 01:11:38,572
Speaker 22: and I were happy to go hard and having it

1431
01:11:38,933 --> 01:11:39,532
Speaker 22: take it down.

1432
01:11:39,612 --> 01:11:42,732
Speaker 14: And how do you feel? He said, well, if you

1433
01:11:42,772 --> 01:11:45,933
Speaker 14: want it taken down, you can pay for it yourself,

1434
01:11:46,333 --> 01:11:50,133
Speaker 14: and if not, you can pee off my property and

1435
01:11:50,452 --> 01:11:50,972
Speaker 14: go away.

1436
01:11:51,973 --> 01:11:58,093
Speaker 22: He was rather really aggressive. So yeah, So anyway, we

1437
01:11:58,492 --> 01:12:03,932
Speaker 22: eventually sold the property and moved on. And before we went,

1438
01:12:04,572 --> 01:12:08,372
Speaker 22: you know, in regards to you saying about poisoning a

1439
01:12:08,452 --> 01:12:09,452
Speaker 22: tree or something that's.

1440
01:12:10,853 --> 01:12:12,093
Speaker 2: On that's cool.

1441
01:12:12,133 --> 01:12:15,053
Speaker 4: What and toured on.

1442
01:12:15,293 --> 01:12:18,933
Speaker 14: It's a weak killer. Yeah, it's pretty.

1443
01:12:18,652 --> 01:12:23,213
Speaker 22: Powerful and horrible horrible products. But because because the roots

1444
01:12:23,293 --> 01:12:26,932
Speaker 22: were all over our property and and and every time

1445
01:12:26,973 --> 01:12:29,213
Speaker 22: we went over the roots with the right on marlow,

1446
01:12:29,253 --> 01:12:31,093
Speaker 22: we'd have to lift the mar up to get over

1447
01:12:31,133 --> 01:12:35,452
Speaker 22: the roots base, you know. So eccidentally I drawed a

1448
01:12:35,452 --> 01:12:39,412
Speaker 22: hole and some of that tord on fell and several

1449
01:12:39,452 --> 01:12:40,812
Speaker 22: of those large routes.

1450
01:12:41,973 --> 01:12:44,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, how unfortunate thing. It's easy to do, you know,

1451
01:12:44,492 --> 01:12:47,852
Speaker 3: we've all been there. Yeah, excellently, need to happen.

1452
01:12:47,692 --> 01:12:50,452
Speaker 14: Really, yeah, we went, we went about it the right

1453
01:12:50,452 --> 01:12:53,492
Speaker 14: way and the nice way, but came up against the

1454
01:12:53,532 --> 01:12:58,612
Speaker 14: complete brick wall. So we thought, well, well it's more than.

1455
01:13:01,253 --> 01:13:03,133
Speaker 2: It's just unlucky you had that tour on with you.

1456
01:13:03,213 --> 01:13:05,652
Speaker 2: Did it just happened? Did you ever drive past again, Mike,

1457
01:13:05,853 --> 01:13:08,293
Speaker 2: just see whether you're tour on a dune it's job.

1458
01:13:09,772 --> 01:13:13,932
Speaker 22: No, No, we're well out of the area now and

1459
01:13:14,173 --> 01:13:17,932
Speaker 22: we've moved completely to another part of the North Island.

1460
01:13:17,973 --> 01:13:21,293
Speaker 22: So that's that's something that was in the in the past.

1461
01:13:21,452 --> 01:13:23,692
Speaker 2: Well, if you ever find yourself in the area of

1462
01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:27,133
Speaker 2: your old property and report back in and tell us

1463
01:13:27,173 --> 01:13:32,092
Speaker 2: what Thank you for your call, Mike. Yeah, great story,

1464
01:13:32,133 --> 01:13:34,133
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. You could use the bottle jack

1465
01:13:34,213 --> 01:13:36,452
Speaker 2: to split big trunks but make it look like the

1466
01:13:36,492 --> 01:13:40,053
Speaker 2: wind snapped it. Ah see, that is brilliant. Yeah, so

1467
01:13:40,093 --> 01:13:44,133
Speaker 2: you use the hydraulic bottle jack and pushes, yes, under

1468
01:13:44,133 --> 01:13:46,333
Speaker 2: the cover of the storm, and then the way it

1469
01:13:46,372 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 2: will break off will have that bend like it's like

1470
01:13:49,732 --> 01:13:50,812
Speaker 2: it's broken in the storm.

1471
01:13:50,853 --> 01:13:52,812
Speaker 3: Smart, that is. That is a good strategy.

1472
01:13:52,933 --> 01:13:58,293
Speaker 2: Nefarious. Yeah, what's more towny than Tawney? You guys, that's

1473
01:13:58,293 --> 01:14:00,093
Speaker 2: from Tim. I'm not going to deny that. Tim. I

1474
01:14:00,133 --> 01:14:01,372
Speaker 2: don't think as soon as I grew up on a

1475
01:14:01,372 --> 01:14:05,772
Speaker 2: farm on that that towny. You're pretty rual. But to

1476
01:14:05,893 --> 01:14:08,692
Speaker 2: be fair, I didn't help out in the house.

1477
01:14:08,732 --> 01:14:12,092
Speaker 3: Munch n'entread at That doesn't surprise me. Oh, one hundred

1478
01:14:12,093 --> 01:14:13,932
Speaker 3: and eighty, ten eighty the phone lines have let up.

1479
01:14:13,933 --> 01:14:15,132
Speaker 3: We got one spear line.

1480
01:14:15,173 --> 01:14:16,293
Speaker 2: It is ten to three.

1481
01:14:17,133 --> 01:14:19,492
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1482
01:14:19,612 --> 01:14:23,572
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

1483
01:14:23,452 --> 01:14:23,812
Speaker 24: Said, be.

1484
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:29,092
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Tim. It is seven to three, guys.

1485
01:14:29,173 --> 01:14:32,812
Speaker 2: There's a chemical called X street. You spread around the

1486
01:14:32,853 --> 01:14:36,813
Speaker 2: stump and the tree will slowly die no holes required.

1487
01:14:37,253 --> 01:14:40,053
Speaker 3: There's a lot of knowledge about tree killing coming through

1488
01:14:40,093 --> 01:14:40,892
Speaker 3: on the text number.

1489
01:14:41,053 --> 01:14:43,173
Speaker 2: What was that Phil Collins album called on No Jacket

1490
01:14:43,173 --> 01:14:46,532
Speaker 2: with No Holes required. Yeah, there's a lot of there's

1491
01:14:46,572 --> 01:14:49,492
Speaker 2: a lot of covert tree felling that's going on in

1492
01:14:49,492 --> 01:14:53,692
Speaker 2: this country. There's there's just a whole I don't know

1493
01:14:53,933 --> 01:14:57,812
Speaker 2: underground movement of poisoning trees and splitting trees so they

1494
01:14:57,853 --> 01:15:01,012
Speaker 2: look like they've been blowing around in a storm.

1495
01:15:01,093 --> 01:15:02,692
Speaker 3: If you want to take out a protected tree, just

1496
01:15:02,692 --> 01:15:04,772
Speaker 3: come and have a look at our text machine. Nineteen

1497
01:15:04,853 --> 01:15:07,333
Speaker 3: nine two is the number, Steve, Welcome to the show.

1498
01:15:09,572 --> 01:15:18,132
Speaker 7: Very good story. A tree between my property and a neighbor,

1499
01:15:18,933 --> 01:15:20,652
Speaker 7: and you couldn't have got more on the bout a

1500
01:15:20,692 --> 01:15:23,253
Speaker 7: lovely tree. It was a lace back native place. It

1501
01:15:23,293 --> 01:15:26,652
Speaker 7: was about thirty five maybe more years old, and it

1502
01:15:26,692 --> 01:15:30,013
Speaker 7: had started pushing the fence into the previous neighbor to

1503
01:15:30,133 --> 01:15:34,253
Speaker 7: her and I agree in the future we would cut

1504
01:15:34,293 --> 01:15:36,612
Speaker 7: it out and put the fence right across because it

1505
01:15:36,652 --> 01:15:39,412
Speaker 7: was damaging the fence anyway. A chunk fell out into

1506
01:15:39,452 --> 01:15:42,293
Speaker 7: her place in a storm, and then another piece fell

1507
01:15:42,333 --> 01:15:45,293
Speaker 7: out into my place in another storm. So I said

1508
01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:47,093
Speaker 7: to her, I think this tree better go.

1509
01:15:47,253 --> 01:15:48,412
Speaker 14: It's rotten in the middle.

1510
01:15:49,372 --> 01:15:52,013
Speaker 7: So and then she agreed. SO said, oh, you'll have

1511
01:15:52,093 --> 01:15:54,492
Speaker 7: to get a quote. So I got a quote and

1512
01:15:54,612 --> 01:15:56,452
Speaker 7: she said, oh, you've only got one. I said, there,

1513
01:15:56,933 --> 01:15:58,772
Speaker 7: I know that this guy is and I worked with him.

1514
01:15:58,812 --> 01:16:01,492
Speaker 7: I'm a contractor and I've worked with him on other jobs,

1515
01:16:01,973 --> 01:16:04,892
Speaker 7: and he's good his job and the price is death,

1516
01:16:05,652 --> 01:16:08,692
Speaker 7: he said. I said, well, you get some more quotes. Anyway,

1517
01:16:08,732 --> 01:16:11,093
Speaker 7: she agreed, so I said, well, the tree will be

1518
01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:13,972
Speaker 7: taken down in my property. Everything will be done from

1519
01:16:14,013 --> 01:16:16,933
Speaker 7: over here. And we did the job. So when I

1520
01:16:16,973 --> 01:16:19,173
Speaker 7: got the bill, were cleaned up and I canted the

1521
01:16:19,213 --> 01:16:22,452
Speaker 7: stuff that couldn't be shredded away on my truck at

1522
01:16:22,492 --> 01:16:26,892
Speaker 7: my cost, of course. So when I went to take

1523
01:16:26,893 --> 01:16:29,532
Speaker 7: the bill over to her, she cracked the door open

1524
01:16:30,013 --> 01:16:31,772
Speaker 7: and threw out a trespass order.

1525
01:16:31,893 --> 01:16:39,372
Speaker 14: So I got trespassed. Wow to work, I can tell.

1526
01:16:39,213 --> 01:16:43,253
Speaker 7: You very horrible. Anyway, we took it to court and

1527
01:16:43,293 --> 01:16:48,452
Speaker 7: the guy and the adjudicators give her the big spiel

1528
01:16:48,933 --> 01:16:54,012
Speaker 7: that I'm allowed two meters into her property at any time.

1529
01:16:54,093 --> 01:16:56,652
Speaker 7: I like to do maintenance on the fence and that

1530
01:16:56,973 --> 01:16:59,652
Speaker 7: is the law, and he laid it down. He said,

1531
01:16:59,692 --> 01:17:07,293
Speaker 7: do you understand? She didn't like it. Anyway, that turned out.

1532
01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:11,452
Speaker 7: Then she accused me of theft. And what I'd stolen

1533
01:17:11,572 --> 01:17:13,333
Speaker 7: was a fag. When I cleaned up, there was a

1534
01:17:13,372 --> 01:17:15,652
Speaker 7: fadge there with weeds and stuff. So I took that

1535
01:17:15,772 --> 01:17:18,412
Speaker 7: onto my truck and threw the fage back over. So

1536
01:17:18,532 --> 01:17:25,572
Speaker 7: that was the theft. I had stolen her wig. And anyway,

1537
01:17:25,612 --> 01:17:28,253
Speaker 7: through old jobs, he filmed us out of a crack

1538
01:17:28,293 --> 01:17:31,572
Speaker 7: and the curtains and filmed us with her phone right

1539
01:17:31,612 --> 01:17:35,492
Speaker 7: through the job. And then she presented more because I'd

1540
01:17:36,053 --> 01:17:40,053
Speaker 7: photographed every step that we took, just in case when

1541
01:17:40,053 --> 01:17:42,973
Speaker 7: it come to court, she presented all these new photos

1542
01:17:43,013 --> 01:17:46,253
Speaker 7: of accusing me of trespassing. And yes, I had been

1543
01:17:46,253 --> 01:17:48,692
Speaker 7: walking on her probably when we did the job. You

1544
01:17:48,732 --> 01:17:53,253
Speaker 7: can't you can't make an omelet without cracking the necks,

1545
01:17:53,293 --> 01:17:55,133
Speaker 7: can you. So I had to walk over there and

1546
01:17:55,412 --> 01:17:59,293
Speaker 7: clean up, et cetera. So I was accused of trespassed

1547
01:17:59,572 --> 01:18:05,372
Speaker 7: and all sorts of accusations. Anyway, I won in court.

1548
01:18:05,492 --> 01:18:08,852
Speaker 7: And the other bag you had was why didn't I

1549
01:18:08,933 --> 01:18:11,452
Speaker 7: fix the sceins? And I said, well, I can't fi,

1550
01:18:11,612 --> 01:18:13,372
Speaker 7: I said to the duty go, I can't pick the

1551
01:18:13,452 --> 01:18:14,772
Speaker 7: thing on fresh part.

1552
01:18:15,412 --> 01:18:17,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go. It's complicated. Sorry, we've got to go, Steve,

1553
01:18:17,973 --> 01:18:19,652
Speaker 2: because we're going to go. We'll keep this going over them.

1554
01:18:19,652 --> 01:18:21,772
Speaker 2: We'll bridge the gap over the news with us, shall we.

1555
01:18:21,893 --> 01:18:23,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep those calls coming down. O eight one hundred

1556
01:18:23,933 --> 01:18:28,253
Speaker 3: and eighty nine two ninety two is the text, and plenty.

1557
01:18:27,933 --> 01:18:30,372
Speaker 2: Of stories coming through news. Next, we'll get back to

1558
01:18:30,412 --> 01:18:30,852
Speaker 2: that fadge.

1559
01:18:33,372 --> 01:18:37,173
Speaker 1: You're on New Home for Insateful and Entertaining Talk. It's

1560
01:18:37,333 --> 01:18:41,012
Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1561
01:18:41,133 --> 01:18:45,093
Speaker 3: Sebby, Welcome back into the show. Seven past three.

1562
01:18:45,772 --> 01:18:48,372
Speaker 2: Good boy, Rocky, good boy, you're a good boy, Rocky.

1563
01:18:48,532 --> 01:18:51,973
Speaker 2: You're doing well. Goodbye home home for the day. For

1564
01:18:52,093 --> 01:18:55,572
Speaker 2: the first time by himself, Rocky and his owners left

1565
01:18:55,572 --> 01:19:01,173
Speaker 2: the radio on, so we've been charged worth keeping Rocky company.

1566
01:19:01,093 --> 01:19:03,932
Speaker 2: He's listening to us. Good boy, you're good doggie. You're

1567
01:19:03,973 --> 01:19:04,852
Speaker 2: making daddy proud.

1568
01:19:05,013 --> 01:19:05,572
Speaker 4: Yeah you are.

1569
01:19:05,772 --> 01:19:08,132
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing well. Rocky. You're going to be fine.

1570
01:19:08,372 --> 01:19:10,412
Speaker 2: Good boy. We love you, Rocky. What a good boy

1571
01:19:10,452 --> 01:19:13,133
Speaker 2: you are. What a good doggie? All right? Shout out

1572
01:19:13,133 --> 01:19:13,612
Speaker 2: to Rocky.

1573
01:19:13,812 --> 01:19:16,852
Speaker 3: And we had so many calls about the tree situation

1574
01:19:16,933 --> 01:19:18,253
Speaker 3: that we decided to keep it going.

1575
01:19:18,412 --> 01:19:20,612
Speaker 2: Well, bridge it for a bit, right, Yeah, I've got

1576
01:19:20,612 --> 01:19:21,732
Speaker 2: a good topic about burnout.

1577
01:19:21,772 --> 01:19:23,173
Speaker 3: We want to get to We do want to get

1578
01:19:23,173 --> 01:19:25,612
Speaker 3: to burn out. But I'll just go through a few texts,

1579
01:19:25,652 --> 01:19:26,933
Speaker 3: shall I Tyland please do?

1580
01:19:27,213 --> 01:19:30,133
Speaker 2: Okay? I will? I was told developers run over the

1581
01:19:30,213 --> 01:19:33,772
Speaker 2: roots with heavy machinery. I mean, have we staged what

1582
01:19:33,772 --> 01:19:36,253
Speaker 2: we're talking about for people that's tuning? Yeah, we're talking

1583
01:19:36,293 --> 01:19:40,372
Speaker 2: about the rules around hedges and trees between properties.

1584
01:19:39,973 --> 01:19:40,372
Speaker 4: Right yeah.

1585
01:19:40,412 --> 01:19:40,692
Speaker 2: Correct.

1586
01:19:40,732 --> 01:19:42,372
Speaker 3: It all kicked off in Mount Eden with a woman

1587
01:19:42,372 --> 01:19:44,412
Speaker 3: who wanted to grow her huge to two point four

1588
01:19:44,612 --> 01:19:47,173
Speaker 3: meters and there was some arguments and it's ended up

1589
01:19:47,213 --> 01:19:49,053
Speaker 3: in court and clearly it's a big thing up and

1590
01:19:49,093 --> 01:19:49,692
Speaker 3: down the country.

1591
01:19:49,772 --> 01:19:52,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's sort of veered off into people poisoning

1592
01:19:52,572 --> 01:19:55,452
Speaker 2: other trees, right Yeah. I was told developers run over

1593
01:19:55,492 --> 01:19:58,693
Speaker 2: the roots with heavy machinery. That incident was huge, unbelievable.

1594
01:19:58,692 --> 01:20:00,932
Speaker 2: Thing is I love trees, but the thing is remnants

1595
01:20:02,213 --> 01:20:05,812
Speaker 2: forest trees and urban areas. People down the street threatened

1596
01:20:05,812 --> 01:20:08,213
Speaker 2: to prosecute later out of the blue, anonymous report to

1597
01:20:08,372 --> 01:20:11,173
Speaker 2: council counsel didn't think to check with owners before sending

1598
01:20:11,213 --> 01:20:15,492
Speaker 2: out the letter. Lowell tortured willows, terrible trees on our

1599
01:20:15,532 --> 01:20:18,013
Speaker 2: boundary round up. Did the job have a cup of

1600
01:20:18,053 --> 01:20:20,412
Speaker 2: tea with neighbors? She said, looks like the trees dying.

1601
01:20:20,452 --> 01:20:25,732
Speaker 2: I said, that's very sad. That's a great text. And

1602
01:20:26,173 --> 01:20:29,013
Speaker 2: this text says, I don't know how your employees get

1603
01:20:29,053 --> 01:20:32,372
Speaker 2: away with allowing you to congratulate people on doing something illegal.

1604
01:20:32,732 --> 01:20:36,172
Speaker 2: Encourage and congratulate these people promote harmful chemicals and dangerous

1605
01:20:36,213 --> 01:20:39,612
Speaker 2: acts of violence to living trees. I can't imagine why

1606
01:20:40,013 --> 01:20:42,293
Speaker 2: you can't think of any other topic to deal with

1607
01:20:42,692 --> 01:20:45,533
Speaker 2: or deal with properly. Yeah, what is wrong with our employers?

1608
01:20:45,812 --> 01:20:49,932
Speaker 2: Our employers Tyler for allowing us on air to talk

1609
01:20:49,973 --> 01:20:53,732
Speaker 2: about this and talk about people drilling filling trees.

1610
01:20:53,812 --> 01:20:55,972
Speaker 3: I think they're off site today. They must be, otherwise

1611
01:20:55,973 --> 01:20:58,132
Speaker 3: they would have been storming in here. But it turns

1612
01:20:58,173 --> 01:21:01,572
Speaker 3: out there's a lot of very knowledgeable people when it

1613
01:21:01,612 --> 01:21:02,852
Speaker 3: comes to poisoning trees.

1614
01:21:03,173 --> 01:21:05,732
Speaker 2: My brother in law had a big, old man pine

1615
01:21:06,093 --> 01:21:09,492
Speaker 2: blocking his sunlight. The tree was in council reserves, so

1616
01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:12,092
Speaker 2: we drilled holes in it and poison it. When it

1617
01:21:12,173 --> 01:21:14,133
Speaker 2: was looking sick. He wrung the council and told them

1618
01:21:14,133 --> 01:21:15,892
Speaker 2: that it was looking dangerous. When the workers came to

1619
01:21:15,893 --> 01:21:17,852
Speaker 2: cut it down, he managed to get them to wring

1620
01:21:17,893 --> 01:21:21,412
Speaker 2: it up. And see that is some smart thinking. That

1621
01:21:22,053 --> 01:21:27,532
Speaker 2: is well done. Yeah, so I can't believe our is

1622
01:21:27,572 --> 01:21:29,973
Speaker 2: this would this? Other texts says would your kids be

1623
01:21:30,013 --> 01:21:33,852
Speaker 2: proud of you talking about this? I don't have a child,

1624
01:21:33,853 --> 01:21:36,452
Speaker 2: but I imagine they would. Yeah. We had a tree next

1625
01:21:36,492 --> 01:21:39,173
Speaker 2: door that was starting to lift our concrete. I went

1626
01:21:39,213 --> 01:21:40,692
Speaker 2: over and asked if they could get rid of it.

1627
01:21:41,452 --> 01:21:43,412
Speaker 2: He said no, I didn't plant it. I said, but

1628
01:21:43,452 --> 01:21:45,253
Speaker 2: it's on your property. I told him where to go.

1629
01:21:45,572 --> 01:21:48,213
Speaker 2: Then he came around and we paid half of removing it.

1630
01:21:48,572 --> 01:21:51,173
Speaker 2: They didn't talk to us ever again, and we sold up.

1631
01:21:51,253 --> 01:21:53,333
Speaker 2: That's a sad story. It is a sad story. Neighbors

1632
01:21:53,372 --> 01:21:57,253
Speaker 2: on the moor. There's so many coming through can prove

1633
01:21:57,293 --> 01:21:59,372
Speaker 2: that you poisoned it. That's the truth.

1634
01:21:59,333 --> 01:22:00,732
Speaker 3: That is the crux of it. Yeah, and that's what

1635
01:22:00,772 --> 01:22:01,213
Speaker 3: a lot of people.

1636
01:22:01,812 --> 01:22:04,213
Speaker 2: Anyway. We'll go to Denise, get a Denise.

1637
01:22:05,492 --> 01:22:08,812
Speaker 6: Oh gooday, I just I was just going to tell

1638
01:22:08,853 --> 01:22:12,052
Speaker 6: you about this tree that my neighbor had. We called

1639
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:16,333
Speaker 6: it the bird tree. Was a huge the bird tree.

1640
01:22:16,973 --> 01:22:19,572
Speaker 6: It was full of yeah, because it was full of

1641
01:22:20,293 --> 01:22:25,293
Speaker 6: blackbirds nesting. It was a huge native tree. Native trees

1642
01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:29,893
Speaker 6: don't always have native birds. Learn. It was full of blackbirds,

1643
01:22:29,893 --> 01:22:34,253
Speaker 6: and they made the most terrific, horrible noise, just loud

1644
01:22:34,412 --> 01:22:37,492
Speaker 6: noise all day, you know, especially in spring of the

1645
01:22:37,652 --> 01:22:44,292
Speaker 6: drive you're mad all the birds chirping and and anyway,

1646
01:22:44,412 --> 01:22:47,772
Speaker 6: we got so fed of that. One fed up. One

1647
01:22:47,812 --> 01:22:50,372
Speaker 6: of the neighbors got his big tom cat and he

1648
01:22:50,452 --> 01:22:53,452
Speaker 6: put he reached over the fence with a cat, putting

1649
01:22:53,612 --> 01:22:56,972
Speaker 6: on the brunches. There go, he says. Up. The cat

1650
01:22:57,093 --> 01:22:59,293
Speaker 6: just jumped down. He wasn't going to go up there.

1651
01:23:00,492 --> 01:23:04,812
Speaker 6: All the birds. Yeah, but it's gone now. A couple

1652
01:23:04,893 --> 01:23:08,093
Speaker 6: of weeks ago I wake up and the tree had

1653
01:23:08,133 --> 01:23:10,972
Speaker 6: gone on. The neighbor had been cutting it down bit

1654
01:23:11,053 --> 01:23:14,492
Speaker 6: by bed, but the whole tread gone. So now it's gone.

1655
01:23:14,652 --> 01:23:17,252
Speaker 6: Birds have got to find somewhere else.

1656
01:23:17,053 --> 01:23:22,372
Speaker 2: For that's that. It was annoy That's a good result

1657
01:23:22,412 --> 01:23:24,693
Speaker 2: for Denise, isn't it. That's a good result.

1658
01:23:25,732 --> 01:23:30,412
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's good. It's nice and quiet now because especially

1659
01:23:30,452 --> 01:23:35,132
Speaker 6: in the spring, you couldn't imagine the noise. It's always birds, mate,

1660
01:23:35,333 --> 01:23:37,652
Speaker 6: it was. I think it was mostly black, but it

1661
01:23:37,893 --> 01:23:40,012
Speaker 6: could have been some barahs.

1662
01:23:41,692 --> 01:23:44,692
Speaker 2: Annoying. Getrid of all birds are too loud? Was that

1663
01:23:44,692 --> 01:23:46,692
Speaker 2: that was the gum and male plan? Wasn't it get

1664
01:23:46,732 --> 01:23:47,293
Speaker 2: rid of the birds?

1665
01:23:47,532 --> 01:23:49,933
Speaker 3: What are they screaming about? Anyway, Denise, I'm glad that

1666
01:23:50,053 --> 01:23:50,612
Speaker 3: worked out for you.

1667
01:23:50,732 --> 01:23:50,852
Speaker 1: Well.

1668
01:23:50,933 --> 01:23:53,452
Speaker 2: Some of someone's once said, you know, you hear birds

1669
01:23:53,933 --> 01:23:56,333
Speaker 2: and you think it's a beautiful sound the birds, but

1670
01:23:56,412 --> 01:23:58,852
Speaker 2: really they're just telling like that's territorial. Yeah, so it's

1671
01:23:58,853 --> 01:24:02,293
Speaker 2: actually just creatures abusing each other to get off your land.

1672
01:24:02,333 --> 01:24:04,812
Speaker 2: It's like someone it's like it's like neighbors at war. Yeah,

1673
01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:09,532
Speaker 2: yelling at each other. I think, isn't that beautiful? It's

1674
01:24:09,572 --> 01:24:12,972
Speaker 2: just all abuse. It's worse than the internet.

1675
01:24:13,452 --> 01:24:15,253
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1676
01:24:15,293 --> 01:24:17,652
Speaker 3: to call a few more ticks. We've had so many

1677
01:24:17,732 --> 01:24:19,732
Speaker 3: ticks comes through over the past hour and a birds.

1678
01:24:19,973 --> 01:24:21,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, and lots of calls for us to get fired

1679
01:24:21,933 --> 01:24:26,213
Speaker 2: for our promotion of poisoning trees. Not promoting it, just

1680
01:24:26,293 --> 01:24:29,333
Speaker 2: airing what happens in the community. And there appears to

1681
01:24:29,372 --> 01:24:33,852
Speaker 2: be a sort of cohort of new zealanders and that

1682
01:24:34,173 --> 01:24:35,812
Speaker 2: poisoned the odd tree from time to time.

1683
01:24:35,893 --> 01:24:38,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's an open program, so if they

1684
01:24:38,452 --> 01:24:40,532
Speaker 3: come through, it's our duty to read them.

1685
01:24:40,572 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 2: Surely an Alfred Hitchcock fan here the birds, the birds

1686
01:24:44,612 --> 01:24:46,532
Speaker 2: that did have a bit of a hitch cocking and vibe,

1687
01:24:46,532 --> 01:24:48,412
Speaker 2: didn't it? Y certainly did, right.

1688
01:24:48,532 --> 01:24:51,412
Speaker 3: It is thirteen past three oh eight hundred and eighty

1689
01:24:51,412 --> 01:24:54,133
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call back. Very surely

1690
01:24:54,133 --> 01:24:55,652
Speaker 3: you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you're having a

1691
01:24:55,692 --> 01:24:59,412
Speaker 3: good afternoon. His talk said, be squared a pass three,

1692
01:24:59,933 --> 01:25:01,492
Speaker 3: A couple of teaks coming through on nine.

1693
01:25:01,372 --> 01:25:03,892
Speaker 2: Two nine two. Guys, we had a neighbour's bank of

1694
01:25:03,933 --> 01:25:07,093
Speaker 2: trees that block the golf use. Another aggravated neighbor was

1695
01:25:07,133 --> 01:25:10,652
Speaker 2: going on holiday. Gave me a tordn poison kit with

1696
01:25:10,772 --> 01:25:14,532
Speaker 2: a drill to take a plug out, add weed killer

1697
01:25:14,652 --> 01:25:17,492
Speaker 2: and reinsert the plague. I didn't do as dirty work.

1698
01:25:18,013 --> 01:25:19,732
Speaker 2: I would have been guilty by default.

1699
01:25:19,893 --> 01:25:21,892
Speaker 3: Smart a high road there.

1700
01:25:22,013 --> 01:25:24,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know. That could have been an undercover

1701
01:25:26,093 --> 01:25:31,612
Speaker 2: member of the police. Harborist squad are out there. You

1702
01:25:31,652 --> 01:25:35,333
Speaker 2: never know. It could have been an entrapment. Was buying

1703
01:25:35,372 --> 01:25:37,852
Speaker 2: house in twenty sixteen. I had a capastry growing on

1704
01:25:37,893 --> 01:25:42,013
Speaker 2: the berm before per position date, one am syringe full

1705
01:25:42,053 --> 01:25:45,652
Speaker 2: of neat roundup and a ten milimeter drill bit. Problem solved.

1706
01:25:45,692 --> 01:25:47,692
Speaker 2: It's anonymous as well. Anonymous is doing a lot of

1707
01:25:47,732 --> 01:25:51,892
Speaker 2: tree coming. Hypothetically, if I was to drill holes in

1708
01:25:51,893 --> 01:25:54,053
Speaker 2: my neighbor's tree, what poison would I put in it

1709
01:25:54,093 --> 01:25:56,572
Speaker 2: to do the trick? I may be asking for myself

1710
01:25:56,652 --> 01:25:59,133
Speaker 2: or a friend would no idea, No, no idea, and

1711
01:25:59,133 --> 01:26:02,452
Speaker 2: we've been warned not to share that information. Okay, so

1712
01:26:02,612 --> 01:26:06,412
Speaker 2: no idea. We can't help you there. This is an

1713
01:26:06,412 --> 01:26:09,612
Speaker 2: interesting story, and I'm wondering if this texture is suggesting

1714
01:26:09,692 --> 01:26:12,772
Speaker 2: Calma my daver sent her a tree guy around to

1715
01:26:12,772 --> 01:26:16,132
Speaker 2: trim my trees when I wasn't home. Her poor husband

1716
01:26:16,213 --> 01:26:18,772
Speaker 2: died a few years later. Those two things related. It's

1717
01:26:18,772 --> 01:26:20,412
Speaker 2: a hell of a twist at the end. So are

1718
01:26:20,412 --> 01:26:23,652
Speaker 2: they saying that the tree going around, so sent my

1719
01:26:23,692 --> 01:26:26,012
Speaker 2: tree guy around to trim my trees when I wasn't home,

1720
01:26:26,412 --> 01:26:29,973
Speaker 2: So that's the crime. Then the second part of the

1721
01:26:29,973 --> 01:26:32,372
Speaker 2: six is her poor husband died a few years later,

1722
01:26:33,173 --> 01:26:36,492
Speaker 2: So they suggesting that the husband dying was karma for

1723
01:26:36,572 --> 01:26:39,572
Speaker 2: the sort of stealth tree from me. It's a mess

1724
01:26:39,572 --> 01:26:41,253
Speaker 2: of price to pay. I know there's a there's a

1725
01:26:41,293 --> 01:26:44,812
Speaker 2: novel in that text. There's a lot in there. Andrew.

1726
01:26:44,893 --> 01:26:45,732
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1727
01:26:47,452 --> 01:26:50,133
Speaker 14: Oh, first time caller. Great to be here.

1728
01:26:50,853 --> 01:26:53,732
Speaker 2: You know, let's hope this isn't the last call we

1729
01:26:53,772 --> 01:26:55,213
Speaker 2: get you from you, Andrew. If you haven't heard what

1730
01:26:55,253 --> 01:26:57,133
Speaker 2: you're going to say, it might be terrible, but I'm

1731
01:26:57,173 --> 01:26:58,972
Speaker 2: just it's going to be a good call.

1732
01:27:00,253 --> 01:27:02,572
Speaker 14: Listen to the tree story, and I reminds me of

1733
01:27:02,893 --> 01:27:06,452
Speaker 14: years ago. Mum and Dad lived in Twice and they

1734
01:27:06,452 --> 01:27:10,652
Speaker 14: had a house on the appskirts for the and they

1735
01:27:10,692 --> 01:27:13,253
Speaker 14: had a bunch of trees, wilding pine trees that were

1736
01:27:13,253 --> 01:27:17,492
Speaker 14: growing up blocking their view. And one day I was

1737
01:27:17,492 --> 01:27:20,452
Speaker 14: looking out and I saw this council worker walking past

1738
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:24,253
Speaker 14: with the count spray paints marking some trees. So I

1739
01:27:24,372 --> 01:27:26,253
Speaker 14: want to say, buddy, what are you doing and say,

1740
01:27:26,412 --> 01:27:29,572
Speaker 14: I'm going to mark the trees twenty meters back from

1741
01:27:29,572 --> 01:27:33,052
Speaker 14: the boundary. It's a fire rest. And I was like, oh, yeah, well,

1742
01:27:33,093 --> 01:27:34,973
Speaker 14: you know, carry on, keep up the good work. And

1743
01:27:35,013 --> 01:27:37,812
Speaker 14: I looked at the counter paint he ads and pop

1744
01:27:37,893 --> 01:27:41,133
Speaker 14: round to the gas station and grabbed the exact same can,

1745
01:27:41,893 --> 01:27:44,092
Speaker 14: and we all Mum and dad trees that were blocking

1746
01:27:44,133 --> 01:27:45,932
Speaker 14: their view. I marked them with a bunch of exes.

1747
01:27:46,492 --> 01:27:48,772
Speaker 14: A week later, a bunch of contractors came through and

1748
01:27:48,772 --> 01:27:52,013
Speaker 14: I was told to pull out all the trees that

1749
01:27:52,053 --> 01:27:53,293
Speaker 14: have been marked with the neck.

1750
01:27:57,973 --> 01:28:03,452
Speaker 2: That's there's so genius, I mean as genius as evil genius.

1751
01:28:04,013 --> 01:28:07,132
Speaker 2: I mean, are you always looking for those? This reminds

1752
01:28:07,213 --> 01:28:11,213
Speaker 2: me of a minds me a lot of a prom

1753
01:28:11,333 --> 01:28:14,253
Speaker 2: that I had and we worked out what the drinks

1754
01:28:14,253 --> 01:28:17,333
Speaker 2: tickets were and so you get have the same And

1755
01:28:17,372 --> 01:28:19,652
Speaker 2: when I bought the drinks tickets from the because you

1756
01:28:19,692 --> 01:28:22,892
Speaker 2: allowed two drinks per per person. Yeah, the prompt, the

1757
01:28:22,933 --> 01:28:25,852
Speaker 2: prom that went, I'm using American term the what do

1758
01:28:25,893 --> 01:28:29,333
Speaker 2: you call it? What do we call it? The formal? Yeah,

1759
01:28:29,333 --> 01:28:33,293
Speaker 2: that's the word for prom. Anyway, just go down. It's

1760
01:28:33,333 --> 01:28:34,532
Speaker 2: a similar kind of logic, isn't it.

1761
01:28:34,572 --> 01:28:37,973
Speaker 3: You know, find the design, find the system.

1762
01:28:37,652 --> 01:28:41,532
Speaker 2: That you No, didn't go that far, but okay, that

1763
01:28:41,532 --> 01:28:44,213
Speaker 2: would have been thinking actually to make some money as

1764
01:28:44,253 --> 01:28:46,732
Speaker 2: well as free drinks. But a couple of my friends

1765
01:28:46,732 --> 01:28:50,372
Speaker 2: got pretty raucous and one of them tripped over on

1766
01:28:50,452 --> 01:28:56,972
Speaker 2: the deputy principal's head. Sorry, So it was pretty clear

1767
01:28:56,973 --> 01:28:59,333
Speaker 2: that there was some kind of more than two drinks

1768
01:28:59,333 --> 01:29:02,813
Speaker 2: going down situation. It sounds like a great formal Yeah

1769
01:29:03,173 --> 01:29:07,053
Speaker 2: you must have been. That must have been quite deviously

1770
01:29:07,133 --> 01:29:10,653
Speaker 2: enjoyable when you saw it. That plan come come to fraud.

1771
01:29:12,893 --> 01:29:15,652
Speaker 3: Because it was a plausible deniability. I mean, there's no

1772
01:29:15,692 --> 01:29:17,173
Speaker 3: way it can come back to you. I mean, what

1773
01:29:17,213 --> 01:29:18,852
Speaker 3: are they going to say you spray painted the trees?

1774
01:29:18,893 --> 01:29:21,213
Speaker 3: And yeah, just felt like spray painted that. I don't

1775
01:29:21,253 --> 01:29:22,692
Speaker 3: expect you guys to knock it down.

1776
01:29:23,412 --> 01:29:27,452
Speaker 2: That X is just my tag. Good on you, Andrew,

1777
01:29:27,492 --> 01:29:28,093
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call.

1778
01:29:28,253 --> 01:29:31,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic, right, what a great discussion. Holy moly, the

1779
01:29:31,692 --> 01:29:34,412
Speaker 3: amount of ticks that we've head through over the last

1780
01:29:34,452 --> 01:29:35,252
Speaker 3: couple of hours.

1781
01:29:36,173 --> 01:29:36,372
Speaker 4: Yeh.

1782
01:29:36,452 --> 01:29:40,093
Speaker 2: Normally I have good time with you knobs. However, advocating

1783
01:29:40,093 --> 01:29:42,412
Speaker 2: the poisoning of neighbors trees is a little off personally.

1784
01:29:42,492 --> 01:29:44,652
Speaker 2: I'd need kept someone if they touched my trees. And

1785
01:29:44,692 --> 01:29:49,452
Speaker 2: I'm a gardener. Whether you stand up for your trees, yep, no, yeah, absolutely.

1786
01:29:49,013 --> 01:29:51,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't touch that. Don't touch the podka.

1787
01:29:51,452 --> 01:29:56,452
Speaker 2: Tyler, you're a bad person for laughing at Andrew's little

1788
01:29:56,452 --> 01:29:58,372
Speaker 2: devious plan there, Okay, it was a good strategy though

1789
01:29:58,372 --> 01:30:01,093
Speaker 2: want Yeah, no, no, no, it was not.

1790
01:30:01,412 --> 01:30:03,812
Speaker 3: It was It was bad on Andrew and we can

1791
01:30:03,893 --> 01:30:07,013
Speaker 3: no longer endorse that. Right, great discussion, Thank you very

1792
01:30:07,093 --> 01:30:09,572
Speaker 3: much everyone who called and ticks on that one. Coming up,

1793
01:30:09,612 --> 01:30:11,532
Speaker 3: we want to have a chat about burnout. It is

1794
01:30:11,572 --> 01:30:13,772
Speaker 3: more than just feeling tired, of course, it's a heavy

1795
01:30:13,933 --> 01:30:17,412
Speaker 3: drag on your mind, body, and spirit for some and

1796
01:30:17,612 --> 01:30:20,452
Speaker 3: experts say burn out peaks around this time of year.

1797
01:30:20,492 --> 01:30:24,253
Speaker 3: We got deadlines, expectations, and life demands. It's a tipping point.

1798
01:30:24,492 --> 01:30:26,932
Speaker 3: So are you feeling burnout at this time of year

1799
01:30:26,973 --> 01:30:28,452
Speaker 3: or have you faced it in the past?

1800
01:30:28,692 --> 01:30:31,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, I one hundred and eighty ten eighty And here's

1801
01:30:32,213 --> 01:30:38,492
Speaker 2: just a Devil's Advocate type statement slash question. Is it

1802
01:30:38,692 --> 01:30:42,572
Speaker 2: a sign of weakness? And I mean our ancestors who

1803
01:30:42,612 --> 01:30:44,012
Speaker 2: got burned out starved to death?

1804
01:30:44,612 --> 01:30:44,812
Speaker 17: You know?

1805
01:30:44,933 --> 01:30:47,013
Speaker 2: Is it a lack of gratitude that you have a

1806
01:30:47,093 --> 01:30:49,812
Speaker 2: job that feeds your family. Shouldn't that be enough to

1807
01:30:49,893 --> 01:30:52,772
Speaker 2: keep you going? Just the knowledge that you're working hard

1808
01:30:53,213 --> 01:30:55,572
Speaker 2: and you're making money to keep a roof of your

1809
01:30:55,572 --> 01:31:00,532
Speaker 2: family's head and feed them. Interesting question. Humans have to work,

1810
01:31:00,572 --> 01:31:03,173
Speaker 2: That's what we have to do. We get some holidays,

1811
01:31:03,213 --> 01:31:06,692
Speaker 2: but generally speaking, the lot of humans is to work.

1812
01:31:07,652 --> 01:31:10,093
Speaker 2: There's no way but yeah, and they probably shouldn't be,

1813
01:31:10,853 --> 01:31:13,452
Speaker 2: you know so I one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1814
01:31:13,492 --> 01:31:17,253
Speaker 2: the whole? Is the whole question of burnout just a

1815
01:31:17,293 --> 01:31:20,213
Speaker 2: sign of weakness? Love to hear your response to that?

1816
01:31:20,412 --> 01:31:22,173
Speaker 2: Come on through or do you disagree? Am I full

1817
01:31:22,173 --> 01:31:22,532
Speaker 2: of crap?

1818
01:31:22,532 --> 01:31:22,692
Speaker 17: Oh?

1819
01:31:22,692 --> 01:31:25,572
Speaker 2: One hundred eighty ten eighty? It is twenty two past three.

1820
01:31:25,812 --> 01:31:27,333
Speaker 2: You're good boy, Rocky, You're a good boy.

1821
01:31:31,732 --> 01:31:35,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred

1822
01:31:35,173 --> 01:31:38,292
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB afternoon.

1823
01:31:38,333 --> 01:31:41,892
Speaker 3: Welcome back into the program. Twenty four past three. So

1824
01:31:42,053 --> 01:31:44,612
Speaker 3: we've raised a question about burnout. An article in the

1825
01:31:44,652 --> 01:31:49,892
Speaker 3: Herald today from an expert in employment and work life

1826
01:31:50,333 --> 01:31:53,772
Speaker 3: who says that burnout for many people peaks around this

1827
01:31:53,933 --> 01:31:57,253
Speaker 3: time of the year. That's when deadlines, expectations, and life's

1828
01:31:57,293 --> 01:32:00,052
Speaker 3: demands start to hit our tipping points.

1829
01:32:00,173 --> 01:32:02,732
Speaker 2: What is the actual definition of burnout? What does it

1830
01:32:02,732 --> 01:32:05,532
Speaker 2: actually mean? Is it just that you're a bit shagged

1831
01:32:05,692 --> 01:32:08,653
Speaker 2: or is it actually are you a bit over? It

1832
01:32:08,772 --> 01:32:12,173
Speaker 2: is burnout more than that? I mean, what is the

1833
01:32:12,173 --> 01:32:14,532
Speaker 2: definition of burnout in this article. Sorry to put you

1834
01:32:14,572 --> 01:32:18,173
Speaker 2: on the spot there, Tyler, my good friend. You raise

1835
01:32:18,173 --> 01:32:19,772
Speaker 2: a good point there, because it's one of those things

1836
01:32:19,772 --> 01:32:21,532
Speaker 2: that you start talking about and then suddenly it strikes

1837
01:32:21,572 --> 01:32:22,732
Speaker 2: you what is What is it?

1838
01:32:22,853 --> 01:32:26,053
Speaker 3: So they've described it and whether this is an official definition,

1839
01:32:26,133 --> 01:32:29,253
Speaker 3: but they said it simply isn't just tiredness. It is

1840
01:32:29,452 --> 01:32:33,213
Speaker 3: a drain on energy, your confidence and your joy, and

1841
01:32:33,253 --> 01:32:35,492
Speaker 3: it's a constant thing. So when you wake up and

1842
01:32:35,612 --> 01:32:38,652
Speaker 3: you're constantly feeling tired, no matter how much sleep you're getting,

1843
01:32:38,853 --> 01:32:41,013
Speaker 3: you're losing a bit of confidence and you're just not

1844
01:32:41,133 --> 01:32:44,532
Speaker 3: happy with life. Then they say quite often that can

1845
01:32:44,572 --> 01:32:47,333
Speaker 3: be burnout. But I think if a lot of people

1846
01:32:47,412 --> 01:32:50,212
Speaker 3: listening out there in the face what they thought was burnout,

1847
01:32:50,333 --> 01:32:52,093
Speaker 3: it probably creeps up on them.

1848
01:32:52,812 --> 01:32:56,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just wonder if it's you know, there's

1849
01:32:56,612 --> 01:33:01,093
Speaker 2: there's this everything's a matter of perspective in your mind, right,

1850
01:33:02,013 --> 01:33:06,452
Speaker 2: And if your job was the difference between life and death,

1851
01:33:06,893 --> 01:33:09,253
Speaker 2: then would you have burnout? Because you know, I think

1852
01:33:09,293 --> 01:33:11,173
Speaker 2: about back in the day, like you see see those

1853
01:33:11,532 --> 01:33:14,572
Speaker 2: people that had jobs in the depression area that were

1854
01:33:14,652 --> 01:33:17,492
Speaker 2: just running elevators up and down. You know, they had

1855
01:33:17,492 --> 01:33:19,333
Speaker 2: to control the elevator. That is a hard but but

1856
01:33:19,372 --> 01:33:21,412
Speaker 2: the difference was you and your family on the street.

1857
01:33:21,853 --> 01:33:26,253
Speaker 2: So whilst that job is absolutely punishing and boring, yeah,

1858
01:33:26,572 --> 01:33:29,013
Speaker 2: they would never get burned out doing it because the

1859
01:33:30,013 --> 01:33:32,372
Speaker 2: flip side of it was so horrific that you were

1860
01:33:32,412 --> 01:33:35,012
Speaker 2: just pleased to have an opportunity to earn some money

1861
01:33:35,093 --> 01:33:36,692
Speaker 2: to feed yourself and your kits. If you see what

1862
01:33:36,692 --> 01:33:37,012
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1863
01:33:37,053 --> 01:33:39,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, the ability to survive, that's a hell of

1864
01:33:39,133 --> 01:33:41,692
Speaker 3: a motivator. And even if you are tired and over it,

1865
01:33:41,732 --> 01:33:43,253
Speaker 3: and there's a hell of a lot of jobs.

1866
01:33:43,013 --> 01:33:44,093
Speaker 2: In that area era.

1867
01:33:44,253 --> 01:33:47,572
Speaker 3: In fact, going back, you know, pick your date any

1868
01:33:47,652 --> 01:33:49,812
Speaker 3: job in the past one hundred, two hundred and three

1869
01:33:49,893 --> 01:33:53,412
Speaker 3: hundred years. We're not flesh considering the jobs that we've got.

1870
01:33:53,452 --> 01:33:56,612
Speaker 2: Now. Do the peasants that were working, you know, the

1871
01:33:56,652 --> 01:33:58,612
Speaker 2: farms in front of the villages get burned out? If

1872
01:33:58,612 --> 01:34:00,012
Speaker 2: they did, they died, didn't they?

1873
01:34:00,692 --> 01:34:00,812
Speaker 17: Oh?

1874
01:34:00,893 --> 01:34:03,412
Speaker 2: Eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number? Girl Ken,

1875
01:34:03,492 --> 01:34:04,253
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1876
01:34:05,412 --> 01:34:08,253
Speaker 25: Hey guys, a long time listener, first time pauller.

1877
01:34:08,452 --> 01:34:10,452
Speaker 17: I was actually going to talk a little bit about

1878
01:34:10,492 --> 01:34:11,213
Speaker 17: your last one.

1879
01:34:11,293 --> 01:34:16,572
Speaker 25: My papa died from poisoning a tree what region I

1880
01:34:16,612 --> 01:34:18,732
Speaker 25: remember as a little curd. I found out my proper

1881
01:34:18,812 --> 01:34:22,652
Speaker 25: passed and we found out that he didn't like the

1882
01:34:22,692 --> 01:34:25,732
Speaker 25: tree obstructing his views. So we ended up sneaking out

1883
01:34:25,732 --> 01:34:27,932
Speaker 25: in the middle of the night thrilling the tree and

1884
01:34:27,973 --> 01:34:30,572
Speaker 25: obviously been on the edge of the heart.

1885
01:34:31,093 --> 01:34:31,932
Speaker 17: He had a heart attack.

1886
01:34:35,293 --> 01:34:39,133
Speaker 3: Your health apparently was so not not endorsing it.

1887
01:34:41,013 --> 01:34:41,532
Speaker 2: How long I was?

1888
01:34:41,772 --> 01:34:42,052
Speaker 13: Sorry?

1889
01:34:42,093 --> 01:34:47,572
Speaker 2: Sorry? Just how long ago was this king? Okay, so

1890
01:34:47,973 --> 01:34:50,013
Speaker 2: you've got two years ago, you've got got over the

1891
01:34:50,013 --> 01:34:54,973
Speaker 2: grief of it, so we can Well, so they're just

1892
01:34:55,053 --> 01:34:58,412
Speaker 2: the the the stress of the sneaking around and doing

1893
01:34:58,452 --> 01:35:02,573
Speaker 2: that convert covert activity was just did his hardenow.

1894
01:35:03,412 --> 01:35:06,972
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's pretty but cautionary tale.

1895
01:35:08,652 --> 01:35:11,012
Speaker 17: So I think that's quite an interesting one.

1896
01:35:11,372 --> 01:35:14,293
Speaker 25: I think it's when you're out of balance something in

1897
01:35:14,333 --> 01:35:16,933
Speaker 25: your life. You're not going to the gym, you're not

1898
01:35:17,013 --> 01:35:19,452
Speaker 25: walking and running or whatever. It is getting the other

1899
01:35:19,532 --> 01:35:23,933
Speaker 25: outlet to release valve that stress or whatever. And I

1900
01:35:23,933 --> 01:35:25,973
Speaker 25: also think we live in a busy world now like

1901
01:35:26,053 --> 01:35:27,493
Speaker 25: back in the day, is pretty.

1902
01:35:27,293 --> 01:35:28,412
Speaker 17: Straightforward and simple.

1903
01:35:28,452 --> 01:35:31,492
Speaker 25: You might add one outfit now with pretty much everyone

1904
01:35:31,532 --> 01:35:36,012
Speaker 25: wants a bit of your time, including your family, your work,

1905
01:35:36,053 --> 01:35:38,612
Speaker 25: and so sometimes it's like, have I got that out

1906
01:35:38,612 --> 01:35:41,892
Speaker 25: of balance? I'm spending too much time with work. Need

1907
01:35:41,933 --> 01:35:44,492
Speaker 25: to spend more time and invest into my marriage or family.

1908
01:35:46,213 --> 01:35:48,612
Speaker 25: And I do believe it's genuine. So I went through

1909
01:35:49,293 --> 01:35:55,173
Speaker 25: myself just loving getting commissions and working from eight to

1910
01:35:55,333 --> 01:35:58,412
Speaker 25: eight basically for four years or six and a half years.

1911
01:35:58,973 --> 01:35:59,852
Speaker 17: And we're doing that.

1912
01:35:59,732 --> 01:36:01,852
Speaker 25: For a while, and then all of a sudden, you

1913
01:36:01,893 --> 01:36:04,572
Speaker 25: don't realize it, but you're like, oh, I'm in a

1914
01:36:04,652 --> 01:36:08,892
Speaker 25: much negative headspace, I'm exhausted, I'm over people. And then

1915
01:36:08,933 --> 01:36:11,213
Speaker 25: you realize, oh, maybe I'm a dust burnt out. So

1916
01:36:11,253 --> 01:36:13,692
Speaker 25: it kind of sneaks up on you as well. It

1917
01:36:13,732 --> 01:36:16,652
Speaker 25: takes a while to then get things back into balance.

1918
01:36:16,732 --> 01:36:18,852
Speaker 25: So yeah, that's just my take on it.

1919
01:36:19,853 --> 01:36:22,132
Speaker 2: When when you were getting that burnout, were you managing

1920
01:36:22,173 --> 01:36:25,972
Speaker 2: to take a at least one day off a week,

1921
01:36:26,133 --> 01:36:29,852
Speaker 2: and not just off, but thoroughly relaxing and spending time

1922
01:36:29,853 --> 01:36:32,452
Speaker 2: with family or friends at least one day a week.

1923
01:36:32,492 --> 01:36:35,452
Speaker 17: Ken, Yeah, yes, yes, said no.

1924
01:36:35,732 --> 01:36:38,333
Speaker 25: But I always feel like my mind and I don't

1925
01:36:38,372 --> 01:36:40,213
Speaker 25: know if this is me being a guy or whatever,

1926
01:36:40,253 --> 01:36:42,892
Speaker 25: but I'm always thinking about work. It's time to shut

1927
01:36:42,933 --> 01:36:44,852
Speaker 25: off as well. When I go on holiday, it takes

1928
01:36:44,893 --> 01:36:47,012
Speaker 25: you probably about a week or two, so I'm wined

1929
01:36:47,133 --> 01:36:49,573
Speaker 25: before you finally get a like during holidays.

1930
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Speaker 14: If that makes sense, it does.

1931
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think for a lot of people.

1932
01:36:53,772 --> 01:36:55,772
Speaker 3: I mean maybe I'm wrong here, but that's how I

1933
01:36:55,853 --> 01:36:59,932
Speaker 3: assume burnout takes holders that you you know, a lot

1934
01:36:59,933 --> 01:37:02,293
Speaker 3: of it is just overwhelmed with the issues that you

1935
01:37:02,372 --> 01:37:04,013
Speaker 3: might be facing in your place of work. But it's

1936
01:37:04,053 --> 01:37:06,892
Speaker 3: all you ever think about twenty four seven. It's that

1937
01:37:07,053 --> 01:37:10,092
Speaker 3: problem falling asleep because you've got those stresses and after

1938
01:37:10,093 --> 01:37:13,812
Speaker 3: a while, that build up of worry and stress would

1939
01:37:13,812 --> 01:37:16,732
Speaker 3: just leave you a nervous wreak effectively.

1940
01:37:18,133 --> 01:37:21,532
Speaker 25: Yeah, definitely, and always thinking about it like it's like

1941
01:37:21,572 --> 01:37:22,452
Speaker 25: a vicious cycle.

1942
01:37:22,532 --> 01:37:24,852
Speaker 17: You know, with successful people breed success.

1943
01:37:24,893 --> 01:37:27,692
Speaker 25: It's that when you're focusing on the negative and you're

1944
01:37:27,772 --> 01:37:30,132
Speaker 25: burnt out, it's like you're not a very fun person

1945
01:37:30,173 --> 01:37:33,333
Speaker 25: to be around, and your viab attraction tribe and then

1946
01:37:33,372 --> 01:37:36,093
Speaker 25: you kind of withdraw and then with drawing up being

1947
01:37:36,133 --> 01:37:38,572
Speaker 25: around anyone. So it can kind of spiral as well.

1948
01:37:38,692 --> 01:37:43,092
Speaker 25: So but yeah, another aspect that I reckon as well.

1949
01:37:43,853 --> 01:37:46,572
Speaker 25: For example, when I'll use this analogy. Sometimes when our

1950
01:37:46,612 --> 01:37:49,652
Speaker 25: kids go away with they're brilliant for my parents come

1951
01:37:49,692 --> 01:37:53,133
Speaker 25: back and they fall apart. And I think sometimes as

1952
01:37:53,173 --> 01:37:56,652
Speaker 25: a generation, like we might be carrying into generational trauma,

1953
01:37:56,812 --> 01:37:58,972
Speaker 25: like from the past where you know you're not you're

1954
01:37:58,973 --> 01:38:00,412
Speaker 25: not allowed to express yourself.

1955
01:38:00,492 --> 01:38:01,412
Speaker 17: Kids are a be seen.

1956
01:38:01,492 --> 01:38:04,093
Speaker 25: I've heard like you could, you didn't, you couldn't, And

1957
01:38:04,133 --> 01:38:07,253
Speaker 25: now we live in an era where well, some of

1958
01:38:07,293 --> 01:38:11,372
Speaker 25: these generational things might be brewing and coming to the sessa.

1959
01:38:11,452 --> 01:38:12,852
Speaker 25: So I don't know if that's a bit deep for

1960
01:38:12,893 --> 01:38:14,213
Speaker 25: you on our afternoon, but.

1961
01:38:14,812 --> 01:38:17,492
Speaker 2: I like that. We love going deep, Ken love it.

1962
01:38:17,853 --> 01:38:19,452
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, So I don't know.

1963
01:38:19,492 --> 01:38:22,293
Speaker 25: I think it's multi faceted, and I do think we're

1964
01:38:22,333 --> 01:38:24,532
Speaker 25: a lot more soft and less resilient as.

1965
01:38:25,732 --> 01:38:28,253
Speaker 2: I think I think they can. You know, it's a

1966
01:38:28,253 --> 01:38:31,213
Speaker 2: bit unfair to say, you know, our ancestors, you know,

1967
01:38:31,253 --> 01:38:33,093
Speaker 2: they had to keep going of their staff, but it

1968
01:38:33,173 --> 01:38:36,133
Speaker 2: was much closer. There was a direct relationship between what

1969
01:38:36,173 --> 01:38:40,213
Speaker 2: they were doing and how it helped their family. So

1970
01:38:40,253 --> 01:38:42,333
Speaker 2: they were out Let's just say they were a hunter.

1971
01:38:42,612 --> 01:38:45,973
Speaker 2: They bought, they worked hard, they brought back something for

1972
01:38:46,013 --> 01:38:49,093
Speaker 2: the family to eat. They fed it to them and

1973
01:38:49,133 --> 01:38:51,372
Speaker 2: it was a direct relationship between what they were doing

1974
01:38:51,893 --> 01:38:55,412
Speaker 2: and and the rewards from it and the survival fat

1975
01:38:55,612 --> 01:38:58,652
Speaker 2: factor of it. You know, the KPIs were as my

1976
01:38:58,692 --> 01:39:01,973
Speaker 2: family still alive, whereas we do now our work is

1977
01:39:02,053 --> 01:39:05,613
Speaker 2: very different from that. It's it's different for it's it's separated,

1978
01:39:05,812 --> 01:39:07,412
Speaker 2: and it's hard for us to get our head round.

1979
01:39:07,492 --> 01:39:10,173
Speaker 2: We sort of do these I guess what's the word

1980
01:39:10,173 --> 01:39:13,452
Speaker 2: for it. There a pilot, auto pilot.

1981
01:39:13,532 --> 01:39:17,013
Speaker 25: We're in auto just like not really thinking about what

1982
01:39:17,053 --> 01:39:20,812
Speaker 25: we're doing with this, and then when something out of

1983
01:39:20,853 --> 01:39:23,812
Speaker 25: the ordinary happens, it's like, well, we're filming it, Like

1984
01:39:23,853 --> 01:39:26,612
Speaker 25: what the heck? So I think getting back to like

1985
01:39:26,732 --> 01:39:29,572
Speaker 25: who we are as primal people, like yeah, like you're

1986
01:39:29,572 --> 01:39:31,972
Speaker 25: saying together, I get out on the ocean when I'm

1987
01:39:31,973 --> 01:39:35,253
Speaker 25: in the box and straight around like yeah, yeah, something

1988
01:39:35,293 --> 01:39:38,772
Speaker 25: in there, the exact guy. And it's like connecting with

1989
01:39:39,013 --> 01:39:43,132
Speaker 25: south but also nature and then getting back to basics

1990
01:39:43,133 --> 01:39:48,293
Speaker 25: helping in neighbor, like enjoying someone else's success, not being

1991
01:39:48,333 --> 01:39:51,173
Speaker 25: the tall poppy, but saying the nice positive word to

1992
01:39:51,213 --> 01:39:53,812
Speaker 25: a stranger and making someone's stay or letting them go,

1993
01:39:54,093 --> 01:39:57,293
Speaker 25: or I think as a country we look too often

1994
01:39:57,333 --> 01:40:00,293
Speaker 25: to the government to solve all our problems when the

1995
01:40:00,412 --> 01:40:02,852
Speaker 25: answers were in and we are the people and we

1996
01:40:02,933 --> 01:40:05,573
Speaker 25: can make the change, and they don't have all the answers,

1997
01:40:05,652 --> 01:40:05,892
Speaker 25: you know.

1998
01:40:06,093 --> 01:40:08,652
Speaker 2: So yeah, well I just responded to a X a

1999
01:40:08,652 --> 01:40:11,492
Speaker 2: couple of hours ago where someone said I was saying

2000
01:40:11,492 --> 01:40:14,253
Speaker 2: that we need to have more confidence and you know,

2001
01:40:14,293 --> 01:40:17,532
Speaker 2: maybe our boardrooms because they're you know, the business confidence

2002
01:40:17,572 --> 01:40:19,652
Speaker 2: has come back negative or is coming back negative. And

2003
01:40:19,692 --> 01:40:21,532
Speaker 2: I said, well, you need to find your confidence, and

2004
01:40:21,812 --> 01:40:24,813
Speaker 2: that someone taxted with this government, how would I find confidence?

2005
01:40:24,933 --> 01:40:26,812
Speaker 2: And it's like, if you're looking for the government to

2006
01:40:26,853 --> 01:40:29,133
Speaker 2: give you confidence, then you're going to have a very

2007
01:40:29,853 --> 01:40:33,333
Speaker 2: very topsy turvy life. You've got to find your confidence

2008
01:40:33,372 --> 01:40:35,652
Speaker 2: within yourself. You can't always look to the government to

2009
01:40:36,053 --> 01:40:39,412
Speaker 2: provide the everything you need to succeed.

2010
01:40:40,812 --> 01:40:44,933
Speaker 25: Absolutely fun on then I didn't finance. I've meet a

2011
01:40:44,973 --> 01:40:50,253
Speaker 25: few people over the years and yeah, we're all there's

2012
01:40:50,372 --> 01:40:54,092
Speaker 25: were everyone's different a and everyone's got a different opinion,

2013
01:40:54,213 --> 01:40:58,452
Speaker 25: And yeah.

2014
01:40:57,692 --> 01:41:01,532
Speaker 2: Well thank you for your call. Ken, good luck dealing

2015
01:41:01,532 --> 01:41:04,492
Speaker 2: with burnout in the future. And ri ip Poppy bless

2016
01:41:04,532 --> 01:41:09,372
Speaker 2: him and his covet tree in attempt to kill them.

2017
01:41:09,452 --> 01:41:11,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, rest and base I mean that is tough, but kem,

2018
01:41:11,532 --> 01:41:14,052
Speaker 3: what a great call. Burnout at one hundred and eighty

2019
01:41:14,093 --> 01:41:17,012
Speaker 3: ten eighty. Obviously Ken had found some philosophy that helped

2020
01:41:17,053 --> 01:41:19,333
Speaker 3: with him. If you face burn out before, how did

2021
01:41:19,372 --> 01:41:21,333
Speaker 3: you get out of it? Did you have to change jobs?

2022
01:41:21,412 --> 01:41:23,772
Speaker 3: Love to hear your story. It is twenty six to four.

2023
01:41:26,053 --> 01:41:28,452
Speaker 4: Jus talk sa'd be headlines.

2024
01:41:28,093 --> 01:41:29,453
Speaker 15: With blue bubble taxis.

2025
01:41:29,572 --> 01:41:31,372
Speaker 3: It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2026
01:41:31,772 --> 01:41:36,213
Speaker 15: Canterbury Police have scraped plans to restructure rural stations after

2027
01:41:36,253 --> 01:41:39,612
Speaker 15: backlash from staff and the community. It would have seen

2028
01:41:39,652 --> 01:41:43,652
Speaker 15: some stations lose permanent offices, replaced by staff working from

2029
01:41:43,732 --> 01:41:48,852
Speaker 15: Roliston and Rangyurrah hubs. The Foreign Ministers reiterated calls for

2030
01:41:48,893 --> 01:41:52,052
Speaker 15: a cease fire in Gaza. In an address to Parliament

2031
01:41:52,053 --> 01:41:56,692
Speaker 15: on the second anniversary of Hamas attacking Israel, Winston Peters

2032
01:41:56,692 --> 01:41:59,692
Speaker 15: called for Hamas to release hostages and for Israel to

2033
01:41:59,732 --> 01:42:04,452
Speaker 15: allow aid into Gaza unimpeded. Six among Real Mild members

2034
01:42:04,532 --> 01:42:08,253
Speaker 15: and associates are before the courts after an evening brawl

2035
01:42:08,452 --> 01:42:12,773
Speaker 15: at a Palmerston North hotel two months ago. An investigations

2036
01:42:12,853 --> 01:42:15,293
Speaker 15: begun and to the death of a three month old

2037
01:42:15,333 --> 01:42:20,053
Speaker 15: baby girl and wided up as Masterton. Last Thursday, more

2038
01:42:20,093 --> 01:42:23,412
Speaker 15: than three hundred people must resit their practical driving test,

2039
01:42:23,812 --> 01:42:27,772
Speaker 15: with five staff sacked after allegations testing offices at Auckland's

2040
01:42:27,812 --> 01:42:33,053
Speaker 15: High Brook Brant took money to pass applicants. Black Pineapple's

2041
01:42:33,093 --> 01:42:37,612
Speaker 15: cocktail catering subsidiary O's Inland revenue over six hundred and

2042
01:42:37,692 --> 01:42:41,613
Speaker 15: eighty thousand dollars. Find out more that ends at Herald Premium.

2043
01:42:41,772 --> 01:42:43,612
Speaker 15: Now back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

2044
01:42:43,652 --> 01:42:44,852
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Raylan.

2045
01:42:44,933 --> 01:42:47,572
Speaker 3: So, we've been talking about burnout after an article in

2046
01:42:47,612 --> 01:42:49,532
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Herald. It was written by well being

2047
01:42:49,532 --> 01:42:53,012
Speaker 3: coach Nicki Slvesta. Nicki has been listening and she's actually

2048
01:42:53,053 --> 01:42:54,732
Speaker 3: given us a call. She's on the line now. Very

2049
01:42:54,732 --> 01:42:55,652
Speaker 3: good afternoon, Nicki.

2050
01:42:56,572 --> 01:43:01,093
Speaker 2: Hi, how are you very good? Thanks Niki. So in

2051
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:05,293
Speaker 2: your article you say that burnout peaks at this time

2052
01:43:05,333 --> 01:43:07,412
Speaker 2: of year. Why is that? Why does Berner seem to

2053
01:43:07,492 --> 01:43:10,293
Speaker 2: hit hardest just before the holidays.

2054
01:43:10,053 --> 01:43:13,413
Speaker 26: It's because we've got this massive rush put on ourselves

2055
01:43:13,452 --> 01:43:15,612
Speaker 26: and there's so much stress around wanning to get everything

2056
01:43:15,692 --> 01:43:18,013
Speaker 26: fixed and furnished and everything is completed before the end

2057
01:43:18,053 --> 01:43:19,852
Speaker 26: of the year so that you can kind of forget

2058
01:43:19,893 --> 01:43:21,812
Speaker 26: about it instead the new fresh again. For what that

2059
01:43:21,933 --> 01:43:25,253
Speaker 26: does is that creates a whole massive amounts of like

2060
01:43:25,293 --> 01:43:29,053
Speaker 26: prolonged stress and which shows up as overwhelmed, drained, and

2061
01:43:29,093 --> 01:43:30,693
Speaker 26: feeling unable to meet the content.

2062
01:43:30,452 --> 01:43:33,492
Speaker 2: Of arms and the other thing. One of the other

2063
01:43:33,532 --> 01:43:38,053
Speaker 2: things you talk about is treating rest is as refueling

2064
01:43:38,372 --> 01:43:41,772
Speaker 2: as opposed to reward. Can you sort of took us

2065
01:43:41,772 --> 01:43:43,572
Speaker 2: through that concept? Yeah?

2066
01:43:43,612 --> 01:43:45,452
Speaker 26: Absolutely, So when you're going through these sorts of things,

2067
01:43:45,492 --> 01:43:47,213
Speaker 26: everyone kind of has this kind of mindset that they're

2068
01:43:47,213 --> 01:43:49,293
Speaker 26: going to take some time out once they've completed the

2069
01:43:49,333 --> 01:43:51,692
Speaker 26: task that they need to do, either finish the week

2070
01:43:51,732 --> 01:43:53,572
Speaker 26: that they need to get done or the stresses that

2071
01:43:53,572 --> 01:43:56,852
Speaker 26: they've got going on at home. But in order to

2072
01:43:56,893 --> 01:43:59,532
Speaker 26: reach those targets that you want to reach, you kind

2073
01:43:59,532 --> 01:44:00,852
Speaker 26: of need to have the rest to be able to

2074
01:44:00,893 --> 01:44:03,852
Speaker 26: have the skills and the capabilities to actually be able

2075
01:44:03,853 --> 01:44:07,093
Speaker 26: to do it. So we need to stop looking at

2076
01:44:07,213 --> 01:44:10,052
Speaker 26: stress and answorry. We need to stop looking at rest

2077
01:44:10,053 --> 01:44:11,933
Speaker 26: has been something that's going to be a nice to

2078
01:44:11,933 --> 01:44:13,732
Speaker 26: have once it's completed the task that we need to do.

2079
01:44:13,772 --> 01:44:16,013
Speaker 26: We want I need to get onto the rest now,

2080
01:44:16,133 --> 01:44:18,532
Speaker 26: so we can actually get both tasks done now.

2081
01:44:18,572 --> 01:44:22,133
Speaker 2: It's interesting like historically speaking, people you know, took the

2082
01:44:22,133 --> 01:44:24,532
Speaker 2: Sabbath off. You know, it's in the it's in the

2083
01:44:24,572 --> 01:44:27,492
Speaker 2: Ten Commandments, and it seems like in the past there

2084
01:44:27,612 --> 01:44:30,613
Speaker 2: was more of a focus on weekends actually being weekends

2085
01:44:30,692 --> 01:44:33,893
Speaker 2: and family and friends time. Do you think that's a

2086
01:44:34,053 --> 01:44:37,092
Speaker 2: that's a problem now that no one ever really takes

2087
01:44:37,213 --> 01:44:40,012
Speaker 2: a full day off where they don't think about work

2088
01:44:40,053 --> 01:44:42,253
Speaker 2: at all. They don't they don't check their phone, they

2089
01:44:42,253 --> 01:44:43,932
Speaker 2: don't check their emails. Do you think do you think

2090
01:44:43,933 --> 01:44:44,412
Speaker 2: that's a problem?

2091
01:44:44,492 --> 01:44:50,253
Speaker 26: Looky, absolutely, I think that. I think since COVID people

2092
01:44:50,293 --> 01:44:51,812
Speaker 26: we're working from home a lot more. We've sort of

2093
01:44:51,853 --> 01:44:53,973
Speaker 26: become a lot more reliant on the ability to our

2094
01:44:54,013 --> 01:44:55,892
Speaker 26: being more flexible and where we work, how we work,

2095
01:44:55,933 --> 01:44:59,133
Speaker 26: and the demands on when people can be reached at work.

2096
01:44:59,253 --> 01:45:02,293
Speaker 26: So the ability to actually switch off now has sort

2097
01:45:02,293 --> 01:45:06,293
Speaker 26: of been eroded, and you're constantly checking for emails. You know,

2098
01:45:06,612 --> 01:45:08,173
Speaker 26: you hear opinion on your phone for old to three

2099
01:45:08,213 --> 01:45:10,852
Speaker 26: that see what that sees, and then you're sort of responding,

2100
01:45:11,133 --> 01:45:15,092
Speaker 26: never giving yourself that opportunity to actually switch off and reset.

2101
01:45:15,133 --> 01:45:18,852
Speaker 3: It interesting, So the idea of burnout and you mentioned

2102
01:45:18,853 --> 01:45:21,452
Speaker 3: they're the symptoms you got to look at, but you know,

2103
01:45:21,532 --> 01:45:25,012
Speaker 3: to my mind anyway, it's kind of this nebulous term

2104
01:45:25,133 --> 01:45:28,412
Speaker 3: that can be a bit vague, and what is actually

2105
01:45:28,452 --> 01:45:31,412
Speaker 3: fatigue or tiredness and what has burnout? So what do

2106
01:45:31,452 --> 01:45:34,133
Speaker 3: people need to look at I look out for to

2107
01:45:34,213 --> 01:45:36,772
Speaker 3: determine whether they might be getting close to actual burnout?

2108
01:45:37,772 --> 01:45:39,852
Speaker 26: Yeah, So for me, I would suggest that they start

2109
01:45:39,893 --> 01:45:43,093
Speaker 26: looking at how exhausted they feel. If they're constantly feeling depleted,

2110
01:45:43,412 --> 01:45:45,812
Speaker 26: they've got no energy, they're feeling fatigued, no matter how

2111
01:45:45,853 --> 01:45:49,052
Speaker 26: much sleep they're getting, they're just not feeling like themselves still,

2112
01:45:49,933 --> 01:45:51,772
Speaker 26: if they're starting to feel a little bit like they're

2113
01:45:51,772 --> 01:45:55,012
Speaker 26: withdrawing in their normal everyday environments and what they're actually

2114
01:45:55,013 --> 01:45:57,532
Speaker 26: taking joy out and what they're doing, or they're feeling

2115
01:45:57,572 --> 01:46:01,572
Speaker 26: constantly negative about work or what they're spending time with

2116
01:46:01,612 --> 01:46:05,372
Speaker 26: them especially family, and also if they're finding it hard

2117
01:46:05,412 --> 01:46:08,532
Speaker 26: to really concentrate, really feeling like the equality of it's

2118
01:46:08,572 --> 01:46:11,133
Speaker 26: really dropped off, I would suggest that those are really

2119
01:46:11,133 --> 01:46:13,013
Speaker 26: big signs that they need to be looking out for.

2120
01:46:13,093 --> 01:46:13,972
Speaker 26: On timp to burn.

2121
01:46:13,812 --> 01:46:19,812
Speaker 2: Out, there's there's I'm trying to form this this idea

2122
01:46:19,812 --> 01:46:23,732
Speaker 2: in my head around this. And you know, historically when

2123
01:46:23,772 --> 01:46:27,532
Speaker 2: people were working, it was very much aligned with their

2124
01:46:27,692 --> 01:46:30,692
Speaker 2: what they were doing. You could easily equate that to

2125
01:46:30,772 --> 01:46:33,452
Speaker 2: how it helped your family and how it helped your life.

2126
01:46:33,933 --> 01:46:36,892
Speaker 2: But we now have our jobs are kind of distant

2127
01:46:36,893 --> 01:46:39,933
Speaker 2: from that, so we can't necessarily see the awards. Is

2128
01:46:39,973 --> 01:46:42,093
Speaker 2: there a way to change your perspective so you can

2129
01:46:42,133 --> 01:46:44,772
Speaker 2: be grateful for your job? So you go, well, this

2130
01:46:45,013 --> 01:46:48,133
Speaker 2: may be a punishing situation on it, but it's how

2131
01:46:48,372 --> 01:46:52,012
Speaker 2: how I live, and you know, focus more on people

2132
01:46:52,013 --> 01:46:55,173
Speaker 2: that don't have jobs than and how lucky you are

2133
01:46:55,173 --> 01:46:58,892
Speaker 2: to have a job, as opposed to focusing on all

2134
01:46:58,933 --> 01:47:02,692
Speaker 2: the potential incredible jobs and lives that you can can imagine.

2135
01:47:02,692 --> 01:47:06,052
Speaker 2: Do you sort of understand what I'm saying, Nikki, Yeah,

2136
01:47:06,452 --> 01:47:06,932
Speaker 2: I can.

2137
01:47:07,732 --> 01:47:10,253
Speaker 26: I think what you need to what people need to

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Speaker 26: start looking at if they're in an environment at work

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Speaker 26: it's actually causing them some form of stress and they're

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01:47:14,572 --> 01:47:15,772
Speaker 26: kind of like, I just have to do this. I

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01:47:15,812 --> 01:47:17,732
Speaker 26: don't want my job is and their jobs are really

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01:47:17,772 --> 01:47:21,213
Speaker 26: highly stressful. They need to start building into their lives

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Speaker 26: some kind of outlet that they can actually break away

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Speaker 26: from doing that and thinking about those stressful environments. So,

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01:47:27,133 --> 01:47:29,652
Speaker 26: whether that's spending time with friends, whether that's time spending

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01:47:29,692 --> 01:47:32,013
Speaker 26: the family, you need to have that outlet so you

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01:47:32,093 --> 01:47:34,892
Speaker 26: can take away that break from your mind, from that

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01:47:34,933 --> 01:47:36,652
Speaker 26: mental strain on your mind all the time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just when it comes down to it, just

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01:47:39,933 --> 01:47:42,333
Speaker 3: on the back of that nicky because a lot of

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01:47:42,333 --> 01:47:46,532
Speaker 3: people facing burnout would then look at quitting their job,

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01:47:47,253 --> 01:47:50,732
Speaker 3: and I look at that situation and think sometimes, and

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01:47:50,772 --> 01:47:53,213
Speaker 3: I'm asking you the question here, sometimes that could add

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01:47:53,253 --> 01:47:55,972
Speaker 3: to the stresses that they're facing. Right if they do

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01:47:56,293 --> 01:47:59,492
Speaker 3: think I can't handle this anymore, I quit and then

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01:47:59,492 --> 01:48:02,213
Speaker 3: you've got the financial pressures you're going to focus as well,

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01:48:02,253 --> 01:48:05,133
Speaker 3: that can sometimes be the wrong the wrong move.

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Speaker 26: So what I teach as well is that quitting your

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01:48:08,173 --> 01:48:11,452
Speaker 26: job it's not the answer. It's the stress of in

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01:48:11,492 --> 01:48:13,253
Speaker 26: the burnout that's going to follow you where you go.

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01:48:13,333 --> 01:48:14,892
Speaker 26: You me to figure out what the boundaries are that

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01:48:14,933 --> 01:48:16,732
Speaker 26: you need to see to be able to make sure

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01:48:16,772 --> 01:48:18,572
Speaker 26: that you can break free from that burnout so it

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01:48:18,612 --> 01:48:21,372
Speaker 26: doesn't follow you in your next role. You better off

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Speaker 26: staying where you are and working through that there. So

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01:48:25,572 --> 01:48:26,852
Speaker 26: leaving the job isn't the answer.

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01:48:27,133 --> 01:48:29,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, because wherever you are now, wherever you go, there

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Speaker 2: you are. That's the same People leave relationships and then

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01:48:34,973 --> 01:48:36,572
Speaker 2: and because of the problem, and they get into a

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Speaker 2: new relationship, have the same problems and realize that the

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01:48:38,732 --> 01:48:41,372
Speaker 2: problem was them and not the previous person. So you

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01:48:41,452 --> 01:48:43,532
Speaker 2: go to you've got to try and sort yourself out. Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for talking to us, Nickie Sylvesta.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 26: But never begin this. I've not done this before, so

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Speaker 26: thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so really good to chat with you, Nicki.

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Speaker 3: Is that Thanks very much again and have a great

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01:48:56,333 --> 01:48:57,852
Speaker 3: afternoon you too.

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Speaker 23: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 3: That is Nicki your Sylvesta well being coach. If you

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Speaker 3: want to go check out our articles on the New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Herald right now. The headline is why burnout peaks

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01:49:05,933 --> 01:49:08,173
Speaker 3: at this time of the year and how to beat it.

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Speaker 3: We are taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you've been burnt out in the past,

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Speaker 3: how did you deal with it and what was the situation?

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Speaker 2: It is sixteen to four or is it just a

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Speaker 2: sign of weakness?

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Tyler Adams Afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty US Talks b Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So we are talking about burnout.

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Speaker 3: An expert that we just spoke to on the phone,

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Speaker 3: Nikki Silvesta, says that burnout typically peaks around this time

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Speaker 3: of the year, mid October, when deadlines, expectations, and life's

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Speaker 3: demands start heading the tipping point.

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Speaker 2: I just realized that one of the theories that I

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Speaker 2: was expousing over the year before is actually from the

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01:49:48,692 --> 01:49:51,333
Speaker 2: UNI bomber, you know, the Union bomber and his manifesto. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ted Krasinski, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then what did he

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01:49:55,572 --> 01:49:59,812
Speaker 2: What did he say? Well, he coined the phrase surrogate activities,

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Speaker 2: and that's what I was describing for things people do

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01:50:02,013 --> 01:50:06,092
Speaker 2: like climbing the corporate ladders, pursuing, you know, chasing wealth.

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Speaker 2: And he believed it was fulfill the void left by

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01:50:09,372 --> 01:50:13,412
Speaker 2: the loss of real freedom. And so it's always shaky

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01:50:13,452 --> 01:50:15,572
Speaker 2: ground when you find out that one of the things

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01:50:15,612 --> 01:50:21,452
Speaker 2: you've expoused comes from a murderer. So he and his manifesto,

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Speaker 2: which I happened to read, he believed that humans evolved

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Speaker 2: to meet I guess direct survival related challenges like hunting, building,

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01:50:30,612 --> 01:50:35,293
Speaker 2: and exploring, and modern work replaces those with artificial goals

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01:50:35,333 --> 01:50:39,253
Speaker 2: that never truly satisfy us. So what I was saying that,

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01:50:39,333 --> 01:50:43,412
Speaker 2: you know, when you knew that you're hunting would get

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01:50:43,452 --> 01:50:46,253
Speaker 2: the food that keept your family alive, then you felt

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01:50:46,253 --> 01:50:49,093
Speaker 2: amazing every day because you'd achieved what you need to

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01:50:49,133 --> 01:50:53,572
Speaker 2: do cheap. But now when we're trying to provide you know, food, clothing,

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01:50:53,612 --> 01:50:56,133
Speaker 2: and how things for our families, we're pursuing these other

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01:50:56,253 --> 01:50:59,093
Speaker 2: things like talking rubbish on the radio like you and

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01:50:59,133 --> 01:51:03,053
Speaker 2: I do, Tyler. Yeah, And it's slightly it's separated from

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01:51:03,213 --> 01:51:07,412
Speaker 2: the thing that we're evolved to do, even though it

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01:51:07,532 --> 01:51:11,253
Speaker 2: is actively feeding and clothing our families. The reason why

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01:51:11,293 --> 01:51:13,372
Speaker 2: we may feel burnout and we may feel a lack

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01:51:13,412 --> 01:51:17,012
Speaker 2: of meaning is because we've moved away from that principal thing.

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01:51:17,372 --> 01:51:20,573
Speaker 2: And absolutely not supporting the Union bomber or anyway.

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Speaker 3: No, it was a complex character, I mean no doubt

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01:51:22,772 --> 01:51:25,452
Speaker 3: about it. He had an IQ of about one sixty, right,

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01:51:25,492 --> 01:51:29,213
Speaker 3: so incredibly smart lost his way towards the end.

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Speaker 2: Part.

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Speaker 3: It's not to say someone like the Union bomber can't

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01:51:32,372 --> 01:51:35,092
Speaker 3: have some rational, intelligent ideas.

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01:51:35,173 --> 01:51:37,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting moral situation because he

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01:51:37,612 --> 01:51:40,492
Speaker 2: said he did that bombing so he could get the

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01:51:40,572 --> 01:51:43,692
Speaker 2: Washington Post to print his manifesto, and he said, I'll

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01:51:43,692 --> 01:51:47,052
Speaker 2: stop bombing if you print the manifesto. And I always

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01:51:47,053 --> 01:51:48,933
Speaker 2: found the story interesting. So I read the manifesto and

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01:51:48,973 --> 01:51:50,812
Speaker 2: his ideas have got into my head and I've sheared

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01:51:50,853 --> 01:51:53,372
Speaker 2: them without forgetting that it was from the unibomb.

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Speaker 3: Complex character for sure. Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten

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01:51:56,532 --> 01:51:58,093
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: The sex said. The problem with workloads today is it's

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01:52:00,293 --> 01:52:02,532
Speaker 2: not nine to five anymore. It can be nine to

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01:52:02,692 --> 01:52:06,013
Speaker 2: ten at night. Some jobs want you to ready at

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01:52:06,053 --> 01:52:09,293
Speaker 2: any time, so people aren't getting any resk from work.

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01:52:10,093 --> 01:52:12,293
Speaker 2: And you know, just the thing we were talking about

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01:52:12,372 --> 01:52:15,173
Speaker 2: in the air, Brake Tyler, Yeah, was the idea of

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01:52:15,612 --> 01:52:20,293
Speaker 2: in terms of that rest and getting some rest, just

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01:52:20,372 --> 01:52:23,012
Speaker 2: leaving your phone at home if you leave the house huge,

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01:52:23,093 --> 01:52:25,972
Speaker 2: if you're walking the dog or any situation, you can

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01:52:26,013 --> 01:52:28,372
Speaker 2: to leave the phone in another room and so you

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Speaker 2: actually do stop working.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're talking about raw dog, And I thought there

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01:52:32,772 --> 01:52:35,412
Speaker 3: was a bit crazy, But generally when I leave the

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01:52:35,412 --> 01:52:37,293
Speaker 3: phone at home now, if I take the Dog for walk.

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Speaker 3: I'm a bit antsy for about fifteen minutes, then just

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01:52:40,572 --> 01:52:44,372
Speaker 3: this almost calmness washes over me, thinking the world ain't

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01:52:44,372 --> 01:52:46,093
Speaker 3: going to collapse if I don't have my phone on me.

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01:52:46,173 --> 01:52:48,372
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's main character syndrome that you think that

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01:52:48,412 --> 01:52:51,972
Speaker 2: you need to be in contact with the world. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot I wrought raw Dog the Devenport half Marathon

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Speaker 2: good Man. I didn't know music nothing, No jeez, impressive, Mike,

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01:52:59,812 --> 01:53:00,612
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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01:53:01,492 --> 01:53:03,012
Speaker 3: Hey guys, are you very good?

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01:53:03,013 --> 01:53:06,172
Speaker 2: Thank you. Keen to hear your thoughts on burnout.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's takes up on a lot of people. I'm

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01:53:11,333 --> 01:53:13,732
Speaker 13: like a lot of people in New Zealand own own

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01:53:13,812 --> 01:53:16,093
Speaker 13: business and it's something that you carry with you twenty

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01:53:16,133 --> 01:53:19,772
Speaker 13: four to seven. You can't leave the office and part

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01:53:19,772 --> 01:53:22,612
Speaker 13: of that is management of people and all of the

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01:53:22,732 --> 01:53:25,693
Speaker 13: stresses of everything that relates to that, and the financial

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01:53:25,973 --> 01:53:28,932
Speaker 13: ownership that you have because no one else is going

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01:53:28,933 --> 01:53:31,772
Speaker 13: to solve your problem for you. So when you're in

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01:53:31,933 --> 01:53:36,253
Speaker 13: that management type role or a role where it's all

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01:53:36,333 --> 01:53:39,093
Speaker 13: down to you and you don't have any other you

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01:53:39,133 --> 01:53:42,652
Speaker 13: don't have any other options to break that and go

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01:53:42,692 --> 01:53:44,852
Speaker 13: and leave or do something like you would if you're

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01:53:44,853 --> 01:53:50,292
Speaker 13: an employee, the stress will build up. It's just constant.

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01:53:51,173 --> 01:53:55,253
Speaker 13: Same with people who are in emergency services. Stress affects

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01:53:55,293 --> 01:54:01,133
Speaker 13: everybody differently. Everybody has pressure that's external, and stress is

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Speaker 13: in your internal response to it. And what stress is.

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01:54:04,333 --> 01:54:07,252
Speaker 13: One person won't streat someone else out, But we're designed

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01:54:07,452 --> 01:54:10,253
Speaker 13: to get a burst of a dreamline and run away

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01:54:10,253 --> 01:54:13,293
Speaker 13: from a threat and has a high stress slode for

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01:54:13,333 --> 01:54:15,892
Speaker 13: a short period of time. We're not designed to have

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01:54:16,013 --> 01:54:18,932
Speaker 13: ongoing stress day and day out, and your job or

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01:54:19,093 --> 01:54:23,972
Speaker 13: your vocation, or your relationship or anything else. So we're

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01:54:24,013 --> 01:54:24,612
Speaker 13: all at risk.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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01:54:25,933 --> 01:54:27,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm nicely setting and I think a lot of

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01:54:27,692 --> 01:54:31,253
Speaker 3: experts would would indicate that you're right that stretch level

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Speaker 3: that a lot of people are facing. Now just quickly, Mike,

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01:54:33,812 --> 01:54:35,772
Speaker 3: because we're almost out of time. But did you figure

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01:54:35,772 --> 01:54:36,533
Speaker 3: out how to deal with that?

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01:54:38,973 --> 01:54:39,213
Speaker 14: Yes?

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01:54:39,533 --> 01:54:39,932
Speaker 4: I did.

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01:54:40,293 --> 01:54:41,453
Speaker 12: I cut my hours down.

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Speaker 13: And you know, part of the evolution of any business

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01:54:47,453 --> 01:54:50,293
Speaker 13: as it has to have succession and you've got to

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Speaker 13: bring other people into it. You can't. There's an old

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Speaker 13: thing about being engineers with a thousand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great call. Thank you very much for giving us

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Speaker 3: a call, Mike. It is seven to four back in

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Speaker 3: the month, the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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01:55:04,693 --> 01:55:08,413
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons US Talk.

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Speaker 3: News Talks Here be it is five to four. Great discussion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just one last time, Good boy, Rocky, Good Boy, Rocky.

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01:55:18,573 --> 01:55:20,892
Speaker 2: Rocky's a dog that set his first day at home

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01:55:21,133 --> 01:55:23,812
Speaker 2: today by himself. He's done well as the owner is out,

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01:55:23,853 --> 01:55:25,772
Speaker 2: so we've been asked to keep Rocky company because he

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01:55:25,812 --> 01:55:28,533
Speaker 2: was listening to the radio. Good on you, Rocky. Anyway,

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01:55:28,613 --> 01:55:30,213
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the show. Had

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01:55:30,533 --> 01:55:33,293
Speaker 2: a great time, so many great calls and text. The

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Speaker 2: Matin Tyler podcast will be out very soon. The great

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01:55:37,573 --> 01:55:40,892
Speaker 2: and Powerful Paul Holmes broadcast over the year hither duply

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01:55:40,973 --> 01:55:44,653
Speaker 2: selling us up next. But right now, Tyler, my good friend,

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01:55:44,772 --> 01:55:47,293
Speaker 2: why am I playing this song where the Beatles Norwegian would?

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01:55:47,293 --> 01:55:49,693
Speaker 3: Now this is going to show my no Norwegian would,

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01:55:49,772 --> 01:55:54,212
Speaker 3: of course, because we hit that great chat about trees

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01:55:54,293 --> 01:55:56,093
Speaker 3: and hedges, and it turns out there's a lot of

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01:55:56,133 --> 01:55:59,693
Speaker 3: people very knowledgeable about poisoning protected trees in New Zealand.

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01:55:59,772 --> 01:56:02,373
Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent correct, although apparently it was a

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01:56:02,373 --> 01:56:04,413
Speaker 2: bit of a double one Fondre about a one night

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01:56:04,493 --> 01:56:10,852
Speaker 2: stand from John Lennon. I'm Spicy, Yeah, absolutely fantastic song.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for listening. Talk tomorrow afternoon. Give

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01:56:14,453 --> 01:56:33,373
Speaker 2: them a taste of Kiwi from us. All right, then bud.

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Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b Listen live on

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