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Speaker 3: level coach, John Braithwaw's going to join us to assess

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Speaker 3: the record of Brendan McCallum by the Black Taps, gaining

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Speaker 3: much from the tour of India and down to the

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Speaker 3: deciding matches in the local super smash. Does that mean much? Well,

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Coney joins us. Jerry, I don't know whether you've

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Speaker 3: been watching through the night, watching the Tea Toties or

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Speaker 3: like me, having breakfast watching T twenty cricket and being

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Speaker 3: able to absorb the punishment that New Zealand took until

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Speaker 3: that fourth game when they managed to get a win,

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Speaker 3: and that sort of had the recipe, didn't it for

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Speaker 4: Yeah? It did. What I felt a little bit the

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Speaker 4: it seemed, And it wasn't kind of the idea. Ostensibly

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Speaker 4: those first three games. This one has perhaps turned it

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Speaker 4: you'd have to say by Seiphered who likes the ball

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Speaker 4: to that yet. When the Quicks are bowling, when you

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing is, I think Seifer has confirmed his place.

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Speaker 3: Conway probably hasn't. But that would break up what they

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Speaker 4: I mean, the first thing is you pick your best team,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the thing that they probably need from the

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Speaker 4: It becomes past score you can't I mean, if you

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Speaker 4: was still four point four overs left, Well, that means

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Speaker 3: So but that also is the scoreboard pressure, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: They had no scoreboard pressure, But when there's two hundred

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Speaker 4: It can be yet that's certainly right. That must become

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Speaker 4: whether it's a slower bouncer in other words, as well

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Speaker 3: Well, then strike rate, he's got a strike rate that's

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Speaker 2: That's his style.

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Speaker 5: And he has this attitude because he coaches in his

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Speaker 5: the telephone booth, and save the world. And that's kind

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Speaker 5: of the thing that attracts you to Brendan McCallum. You

434
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Speaker 5: need a guy like that in your team. But bloody hell,

435
00:25:00,853 --> 00:25:02,333
Speaker 5: if you've got a team full of them it's hard

436
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Speaker 5: to manage.

437
00:25:04,253 --> 00:25:10,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, from your experience of coaching and the system, is

438
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Speaker 3: McCallum likely to be under pressure for his job still?

439
00:25:14,853 --> 00:25:15,253
Speaker 2: Ah?

440
00:25:15,373 --> 00:25:21,533
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you've always got a old boys network in England.

441
00:25:21,853 --> 00:25:25,813
Speaker 5: It's a very very tight network. So any foreign coach

442
00:25:25,933 --> 00:25:26,973
Speaker 5: is going to be under pressure.

443
00:25:27,293 --> 00:25:32,173
Speaker 2: But equally, the English by nature are pessimistic.

444
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Speaker 5: So having an optimist and a total optimist inside your

445
00:25:36,613 --> 00:25:41,893
Speaker 5: unit is refreshing but also fraught with danger because the

446
00:25:41,933 --> 00:25:46,293
Speaker 5: people you're selecting all the time generally come from a

447
00:25:46,453 --> 00:25:51,853
Speaker 5: very pessimistic county background. They always think that the county

448
00:25:51,853 --> 00:25:55,413
Speaker 5: grant game is under pressure. It's no one's ever looked

449
00:25:55,413 --> 00:25:58,373
Speaker 5: at you know. They always have are looking at the

450
00:25:58,453 --> 00:26:01,773
Speaker 5: dark side, whereas Brennan always looks at the bright side.

451
00:26:02,173 --> 00:26:03,933
Speaker 2: And so he's trying to.

452
00:26:03,973 --> 00:26:08,773
Speaker 5: Change a a mentality or find people who have a

453
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Speaker 5: mentality that will compliment his style, and they're just not

454
00:26:13,453 --> 00:26:19,213
Speaker 5: enough of them in England to constantly feed that. Because

455
00:26:20,173 --> 00:26:23,813
Speaker 5: the problem is is you revert to kind a lot

456
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Speaker 5: of a lot of the time when you put under pressure,

457
00:26:26,293 --> 00:26:30,773
Speaker 5: you actually tend to get caught between the idea of

458
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Speaker 5: the coach says I can but I'm not quite sure

459
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Speaker 5: if I.

460
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Speaker 2: Actually can.

461
00:26:38,133 --> 00:26:41,813
Speaker 5: And the Australians exposed that over the summer, as they

462
00:26:41,813 --> 00:26:45,173
Speaker 5: were always going to do. They put them under constant pressure,

463
00:26:45,853 --> 00:26:50,173
Speaker 5: didn't let them off the hook, and the free wheeling

464
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Speaker 5: plate of the light mentality just did not work.

465
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Speaker 3: Yes, and there was selection mistakes quite clearly went I

466
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Speaker 3: mean the off spinning one for a start off, the

467
00:27:02,613 --> 00:27:08,093
Speaker 3: idea of using Shahbasher and then or preparing him but

468
00:27:08,133 --> 00:27:10,253
Speaker 3: not using him and then going for a part timer

469
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Speaker 3: to do the spinning role. It didn't really work, did it.

470
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Speaker 2: Well, It just showed that they blinked, you know, they

471
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Speaker 2: under pressure, they blinked. They backed the year.

472
00:27:22,973 --> 00:27:26,533
Speaker 5: The year looked as though he was coming, looked as

473
00:27:26,573 --> 00:27:30,613
Speaker 5: though he was a good cricketer with promise. He hits bounce,

474
00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:35,333
Speaker 5: which would suit the Australian style Australians. But having said that,

475
00:27:35,333 --> 00:27:40,333
Speaker 5: the Australians didn't really produce those wickets that Lion was

476
00:27:40,373 --> 00:27:42,653
Speaker 5: able to has been taking advantage of for the last

477
00:27:42,693 --> 00:27:45,853
Speaker 5: twelve years. So you know, they predominantly went paced the

478
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Speaker 5: whole way as well and use part time spin or

479
00:27:49,173 --> 00:27:49,813
Speaker 5: part time.

480
00:27:49,653 --> 00:27:53,253
Speaker 2: Slowish bowling themselves. So you know that probably.

481
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:58,853
Speaker 5: Sorry England did judge the wickets well, Australia out fox them.

482
00:27:58,893 --> 00:28:03,213
Speaker 5: They eliminated that year. But I still think that in

483
00:28:03,253 --> 00:28:05,733
Speaker 5: the end, under pressure, England blinked.

484
00:28:05,973 --> 00:28:10,733
Speaker 3: In terms of your experience of coaching sides overseas, does

485
00:28:10,773 --> 00:28:14,933
Speaker 3: Australia sit as the toughest place to tour for any side?

486
00:28:14,933 --> 00:28:17,413
Speaker 3: And therefore you have to be right on your game

487
00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,213
Speaker 3: all of the time pretty much.

488
00:28:20,293 --> 00:28:24,853
Speaker 2: In terms of collective in terms of a nation.

489
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Speaker 5: And I'm talking only about playing the game as opposed

490
00:28:31,693 --> 00:28:34,133
Speaker 5: to conditions, because you know.

491
00:28:34,373 --> 00:28:37,413
Speaker 2: Other countries obviously have.

492
00:28:38,733 --> 00:28:46,773
Speaker 5: Difficulties in terms of conditions in terms of climate, health conditions,

493
00:28:46,813 --> 00:28:50,093
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. But in terms of the intensity

494
00:28:50,173 --> 00:28:53,773
Speaker 5: of playing the game, nothing beats playing in Australia.

495
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Speaker 2: And I say that as almost an everest mentality.

496
00:29:00,653 --> 00:29:02,253
Speaker 5: You've got to take it on and you've got to

497
00:29:02,253 --> 00:29:04,853
Speaker 5: have a crack at it, but you know it might

498
00:29:04,933 --> 00:29:05,293
Speaker 5: kill you.

499
00:29:07,813 --> 00:29:10,813
Speaker 3: Yes, the New Zealand side go to England. In fact,

500
00:29:10,813 --> 00:29:14,293
Speaker 3: that's their next test match series, isn't it in June?

501
00:29:14,613 --> 00:29:16,693
Speaker 3: What could New Zealand take out of it in terms

502
00:29:16,733 --> 00:29:21,093
Speaker 3: of preparing for that series? Can they expect that the

503
00:29:21,213 --> 00:29:25,093
Speaker 3: McCullum style will be retained or will they be able

504
00:29:25,133 --> 00:29:29,453
Speaker 3: to prepare themselves for a totally different style back in

505
00:29:29,493 --> 00:29:31,773
Speaker 3: England because that's where they're going to be at their

506
00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:32,973
Speaker 3: strongest England, aren't they.

507
00:29:33,933 --> 00:29:37,253
Speaker 5: Well, I think that New Zealand actually have I think

508
00:29:37,333 --> 00:29:39,693
Speaker 5: they were the news. They were the first to actually

509
00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:43,413
Speaker 5: expose some of the flaws in that style. And I

510
00:29:43,453 --> 00:29:48,133
Speaker 5: will go back to Willow rourke spell at Seddon Park

511
00:29:49,013 --> 00:29:58,973
Speaker 5: last year where he bowled frighteningly quick in swingers at

512
00:29:58,973 --> 00:30:03,933
Speaker 5: the right handers who like to free their arms and

513
00:30:03,973 --> 00:30:07,573
Speaker 5: give themselves space, and he gave them no space. And

514
00:30:07,613 --> 00:30:13,933
Speaker 5: he showed real clues to the technical deficiencies as opposed

515
00:30:13,973 --> 00:30:16,773
Speaker 5: to the desire to want to strike the ball at

516
00:30:17,133 --> 00:30:20,293
Speaker 5: Test match level, they were really exposed with the ball

517
00:30:20,333 --> 00:30:26,933
Speaker 5: cramping them up, excessive excessive bounce and pace. Boomer had

518
00:30:26,973 --> 00:30:31,373
Speaker 5: also done the same thing, and funnily enough, another one

519
00:30:31,373 --> 00:30:36,213
Speaker 5: who had done it was Zach Folks this season, even

520
00:30:36,253 --> 00:30:39,693
Speaker 5: though it was only medium pace swinging a white ball

521
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:47,173
Speaker 5: through the gate back into a planting style no seaball

522
00:30:47,253 --> 00:30:49,973
Speaker 5: hit ball see if I can ad a homer was

523
00:30:50,053 --> 00:30:54,853
Speaker 5: really exposed as a technical skill when they get on

524
00:30:54,933 --> 00:30:57,773
Speaker 5: flat wickets and the ball doesn't deb eight. You can

525
00:30:57,813 --> 00:31:00,573
Speaker 5: sit there and hit homers for all your life with

526
00:31:00,653 --> 00:31:03,893
Speaker 5: a good eye. And they all had good eyes. But

527
00:31:04,053 --> 00:31:07,773
Speaker 5: unfortunately that moving ball and the late moving ball really

528
00:31:07,813 --> 00:31:11,693
Speaker 5: exposed them technically, and the Australians gave them no room.

529
00:31:12,253 --> 00:31:15,533
Speaker 2: They bowled middle rather than force.

530
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:18,533
Speaker 5: Stump, and they tucked them up and the English did

531
00:31:18,653 --> 00:31:20,253
Speaker 5: not like that being cramped up.

532
00:31:21,053 --> 00:31:22,973
Speaker 2: They were exposed technically.

533
00:31:22,813 --> 00:31:25,453
Speaker 3: And that's the lesson I guess that New Zealand can

534
00:31:25,453 --> 00:31:28,413
Speaker 3: take from that. And somebody like Kyle Jamison is also

535
00:31:29,013 --> 00:31:31,333
Speaker 3: a player with that skill that you were talking about

536
00:31:31,373 --> 00:31:33,213
Speaker 3: that could be useful in the English condition.

537
00:31:33,733 --> 00:31:37,733
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I'd look for a I'd look

538
00:31:37,773 --> 00:31:39,693
Speaker 5: for a left armor as well, if you could get

539
00:31:39,773 --> 00:31:45,773
Speaker 5: older one, because I think actually that you know, like Stark,

540
00:31:46,293 --> 00:31:50,253
Speaker 5: he exposed the left handers getting you know, getting open

541
00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:53,133
Speaker 5: in the stands with the back and across and keeping

542
00:31:53,173 --> 00:31:55,573
Speaker 5: it pitched up to them and wanting to clip the

543
00:31:55,573 --> 00:31:58,733
Speaker 5: ball either square of the work at both sides and

544
00:31:58,773 --> 00:32:02,293
Speaker 5: getting the ball to swing late. So technically they were exposed,

545
00:32:03,133 --> 00:32:09,213
Speaker 5: not technically technically. First and foremost, wooll England a place

546
00:32:09,213 --> 00:32:11,893
Speaker 5: where New Zealand can take a spinner.

547
00:32:11,933 --> 00:32:15,613
Speaker 3: We've got spin resources. Have we got a spinner that

548
00:32:15,733 --> 00:32:21,053
Speaker 3: can do the job in a Test match arena in England?

549
00:32:21,533 --> 00:32:21,893
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

550
00:32:21,973 --> 00:32:27,213
Speaker 5: I think Mitchell Satner has really evolved as as.

551
00:32:26,453 --> 00:32:28,213
Speaker 2: A spin bowler in all three formats.

552
00:32:28,253 --> 00:32:34,493
Speaker 5: And you know, basically initially in Test match cricket, he

553
00:32:34,613 --> 00:32:36,853
Speaker 5: just had not played enough red ball cricket when he

554
00:32:36,893 --> 00:32:40,093
Speaker 5: was introduced into it. And I know you can probably

555
00:32:40,133 --> 00:32:43,173
Speaker 5: say the same thing about Daniel Vittore, but Daniel Vittore

556
00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:46,533
Speaker 5: in those days was playing more Test match cricket than

557
00:32:46,533 --> 00:32:51,813
Speaker 5: he was anything else. There wasn't T twenty cricket compromising

558
00:32:52,133 --> 00:32:57,013
Speaker 5: his technique and his growth, so he was getting that

559
00:32:57,173 --> 00:33:00,453
Speaker 5: exposure to red ball cricket. Mitchell Satna missed out on

560
00:33:00,533 --> 00:33:03,973
Speaker 5: that in his formative years. Wasn't playing first class cricket.

561
00:33:04,093 --> 00:33:06,413
Speaker 5: He was off playing twenty twenty around the world and

562
00:33:06,573 --> 00:33:10,093
Speaker 5: come back and see as one of our best spinners

563
00:33:10,133 --> 00:33:13,293
Speaker 5: and play home games because he get better it and

564
00:33:13,293 --> 00:33:14,613
Speaker 5: he hadn't learnt those skills.

565
00:33:15,613 --> 00:33:17,853
Speaker 2: I think that now is maturity and his growth.

566
00:33:17,933 --> 00:33:21,253
Speaker 5: I think he's an outstanding bowler in all three formats

567
00:33:21,653 --> 00:33:24,933
Speaker 5: and leads outside in terms of that spin. And then

568
00:33:24,973 --> 00:33:29,773
Speaker 5: we have obviously Bracewell and Phillips who both build that role,

569
00:33:30,173 --> 00:33:35,613
Speaker 5: who can bat at seven maybe six, So they have

570
00:33:35,773 --> 00:33:40,133
Speaker 5: two options there that in England is more than sufficient.

571
00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:43,933
Speaker 3: Is it a case that the longer you're playing career,

572
00:33:43,973 --> 00:33:48,853
Speaker 3: particularly spin bowling crupt craft, the better you can become.

573
00:33:48,973 --> 00:33:50,933
Speaker 3: We don't see a lot of the younger ones. I mean,

574
00:33:50,973 --> 00:33:53,613
Speaker 3: Basher has been around, but he hasn't really made it,

575
00:33:53,613 --> 00:33:56,173
Speaker 3: has it? But you look at those who've been successful,

576
00:33:56,933 --> 00:34:00,013
Speaker 3: the longer they've played, the more successful they've become, so

577
00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:00,573
Speaker 3: to speak.

578
00:34:01,493 --> 00:34:03,893
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I think one of that is a sense

579
00:34:03,893 --> 00:34:07,533
Speaker 5: of belonging. You know that you actually you feel as

580
00:34:07,573 --> 00:34:11,573
Speaker 5: though you part of the unit rather than a spare

581
00:34:11,613 --> 00:34:15,413
Speaker 5: part of the unit. You know, it's it's not great

582
00:34:16,813 --> 00:34:20,853
Speaker 5: then a spare tire tire and stuck under underneath, underneath

583
00:34:20,853 --> 00:34:23,213
Speaker 5: the boot, you know what I mean. You feel as

584
00:34:23,213 --> 00:34:26,733
Speaker 5: though you want to be part of the car, not

585
00:34:26,893 --> 00:34:31,533
Speaker 5: just when everything breaks down. So it's it's one of

586
00:34:31,573 --> 00:34:36,493
Speaker 5: those things that Lion was seen as a choker initially

587
00:34:37,413 --> 00:34:41,093
Speaker 5: because he had been to India and he didn't bowl

588
00:34:41,213 --> 00:34:44,253
Speaker 5: in the style that the batters wanted him to bowl. Everybody,

589
00:34:44,453 --> 00:34:48,533
Speaker 5: every spinner that goes to India faces that first too.

590
00:34:48,733 --> 00:34:49,333
Speaker 2: Where you go.

591
00:34:49,893 --> 00:34:51,653
Speaker 5: The batter's come up to you and say why can't

592
00:34:51,653 --> 00:34:55,653
Speaker 5: you bowl like him? We go, well, I've never bowled

593
00:34:55,733 --> 00:34:58,893
Speaker 5: like him. This is what got me in the team.

594
00:34:59,253 --> 00:35:01,013
Speaker 5: This is what I do in Australia, this is what

595
00:35:01,053 --> 00:35:02,373
Speaker 5: I do in New Zealand, this is what I do

596
00:35:02,413 --> 00:35:06,213
Speaker 5: in England. This is my first go at bowling on

597
00:35:06,293 --> 00:35:09,213
Speaker 5: these sorts of wickets with will skids and you're wanting

598
00:35:09,253 --> 00:35:12,613
Speaker 5: it to hit them below the kneepad rather than hit

599
00:35:12,693 --> 00:35:14,653
Speaker 5: them high on the back or them on the gloves.

600
00:35:15,493 --> 00:35:20,333
Speaker 5: So that sense of belonging and sense of that being

601
00:35:20,653 --> 00:35:25,013
Speaker 5: an initial or a crucial part of the of the

602
00:35:25,053 --> 00:35:28,533
Speaker 5: operation is a really really important aspect.

603
00:35:29,653 --> 00:35:33,613
Speaker 3: Are you confident that New Zealand has a side that

604
00:35:33,853 --> 00:35:37,013
Speaker 3: can compete with England and England in a Test series

605
00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:40,933
Speaker 3: and its development is progressing at a good level.

606
00:35:42,133 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that that's really surprised me is.

607
00:35:46,573 --> 00:35:50,493
Speaker 5: The number of players who have been selected over the

608
00:35:50,573 --> 00:35:54,733
Speaker 5: last since I've been back in New Zealand, and in

609
00:35:54,773 --> 00:35:58,253
Speaker 5: particular the last five years, who have been.

610
00:35:58,093 --> 00:36:01,333
Speaker 2: Selected and have almost immediately performed.

611
00:36:03,173 --> 00:36:06,773
Speaker 5: Now that says something I know everybody criticized, its criticized

612
00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:08,533
Speaker 5: as our first class game and things like that, that

613
00:36:09,093 --> 00:36:12,693
Speaker 5: the plans are coming into it and are actually looked

614
00:36:12,773 --> 00:36:14,053
Speaker 5: like international cricketers.

615
00:36:15,293 --> 00:36:19,373
Speaker 2: Now, that says something about the coaching or the coaches.

616
00:36:20,893 --> 00:36:25,573
Speaker 5: That are preparing cricketers for the greater good, or the

617
00:36:25,613 --> 00:36:26,253
Speaker 5: attitude of.

618
00:36:26,253 --> 00:36:30,253
Speaker 2: The cricketers themselves in terms of preparing themselves for a

619
00:36:30,493 --> 00:36:34,893
Speaker 2: higher purpose. I'm not quite sure what not.

620
00:36:34,933 --> 00:36:38,013
Speaker 5: Probably a combination of both, because you know that if

621
00:36:38,053 --> 00:36:41,173
Speaker 5: you actually prepare yourself for a higher purpose, then you're

622
00:36:41,173 --> 00:36:43,613
Speaker 5: going to end up with a greater wage packet because

623
00:36:43,773 --> 00:36:45,333
Speaker 5: there's so much more available to you.

624
00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:45,693
Speaker 2: Now.

625
00:36:46,693 --> 00:36:48,413
Speaker 5: You know you're not looking at going back to work

626
00:36:48,533 --> 00:36:50,733
Speaker 5: at the end of the day and having ten minutes

627
00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:54,733
Speaker 5: in the nets and practicing hitting six because somebody's called

628
00:36:54,733 --> 00:36:58,293
Speaker 5: out last three. There's that sense of purpose that I

629
00:36:58,413 --> 00:37:03,053
Speaker 5: have a career and a financial career in cricket if

630
00:37:03,093 --> 00:37:04,173
Speaker 5: I take it seriously.

631
00:37:04,693 --> 00:37:07,653
Speaker 3: Yes, you talk about that development too. We're seeing in

632
00:37:07,693 --> 00:37:11,333
Speaker 3: the a team that has performed well against Australia, India

633
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:14,013
Speaker 3: and South Africa, players who are going to have to

634
00:37:14,053 --> 00:37:16,293
Speaker 3: wait their time to get into the New Zealand side,

635
00:37:16,293 --> 00:37:20,893
Speaker 3: although they are probably earning a shot up selection by

636
00:37:20,933 --> 00:37:25,333
Speaker 3: their very performances at a level and in the domestic game.

637
00:37:26,413 --> 00:37:28,853
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then when they the thing is when they

638
00:37:28,893 --> 00:37:31,333
Speaker 5: are getting that opportunity, have a look at the side

639
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:36,613
Speaker 5: that's just played India and India three zero in the

640
00:37:36,653 --> 00:37:39,653
Speaker 5: One Day series. You go, well, you know, practically a

641
00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:43,613
Speaker 5: B side. Yeah, you know, and all of those guys

642
00:37:44,493 --> 00:37:48,533
Speaker 5: bold and batted and fielded with great discipline, and you've

643
00:37:48,533 --> 00:37:51,333
Speaker 5: got to go somebody's got to take credit for that

644
00:37:52,293 --> 00:37:54,813
Speaker 5: because they were prepared to play. They've gone India, a

645
00:37:54,813 --> 00:37:57,093
Speaker 5: lot of them for the first time, and you know

646
00:37:57,133 --> 00:38:01,053
Speaker 5: how tiring it is in India. You know, shifting venues

647
00:38:01,893 --> 00:38:05,573
Speaker 5: is an exhausting thing. You've got two hours of the airport,

648
00:38:05,773 --> 00:38:08,693
Speaker 5: you've got an hour waiting and BVIP. Then you go

649
00:38:08,733 --> 00:38:12,213
Speaker 5: to bvb IP and you have another couple of hours

650
00:38:12,613 --> 00:38:14,373
Speaker 5: and then you get off the plane and they stick

651
00:38:14,413 --> 00:38:18,733
Speaker 5: you in another bbb IP room, so they get security

652
00:38:18,773 --> 00:38:22,253
Speaker 5: ready to take you to the You're absolutely knacked by

653
00:38:22,253 --> 00:38:24,413
Speaker 5: the time you get to the hotel and they stick

654
00:38:24,493 --> 00:38:27,653
Speaker 5: sixteen garlands and a chocolate cake in your face that

655
00:38:27,733 --> 00:38:28,333
Speaker 5: you can't eat.

656
00:38:29,773 --> 00:38:35,133
Speaker 3: Yes, that's one of the tough experiences that players have

657
00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:38,973
Speaker 3: to go through. And Perheps lessened a little bit in

658
00:38:39,333 --> 00:38:42,693
Speaker 3: England to some degree. I take it from the chat

659
00:38:42,733 --> 00:38:45,613
Speaker 3: that you could probably spend the next month or so

660
00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:47,693
Speaker 3: trying to find a left armor. But I'm afraid we

661
00:38:47,733 --> 00:38:51,253
Speaker 3: haven't got left arm seema up to the mark just

662
00:38:51,293 --> 00:38:53,893
Speaker 3: at the moment, have we. But I take your point

663
00:38:54,293 --> 00:39:00,333
Speaker 3: Bolt Wagner. You've talked about Stark. The left armors have

664
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:05,213
Speaker 3: have been of value to New Zealand probably two off

665
00:39:05,253 --> 00:39:06,853
Speaker 3: spinners John like yourself.

666
00:39:08,373 --> 00:39:11,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the thing is that the left armors, they

667
00:39:12,053 --> 00:39:17,773
Speaker 5: tend to expose no feat better than anybody else, and

668
00:39:17,893 --> 00:39:20,133
Speaker 5: inn swing is doing that a little bit in swing

669
00:39:20,133 --> 00:39:23,053
Speaker 5: went out of fashion. And I remember when I first

670
00:39:23,093 --> 00:39:27,333
Speaker 5: came back into the New Zealand side to coach and

671
00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:29,893
Speaker 5: I looked at and I'd seen a lot of the

672
00:39:29,933 --> 00:39:34,053
Speaker 5: South Africans in the county game and England, and there

673
00:39:34,053 --> 00:39:37,293
Speaker 5: were big fans of what they called the press technique,

674
00:39:38,413 --> 00:39:41,853
Speaker 5: a lot of them. You know that they practice on

675
00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:45,773
Speaker 5: bowler machines. They set up in the same way all

676
00:39:45,813 --> 00:39:50,693
Speaker 5: the time. The interesting thing was that if you get

677
00:39:50,693 --> 00:39:56,693
Speaker 5: it slightly wrong, then it doesn't become a press, it

678
00:39:56,693 --> 00:39:59,293
Speaker 5: becomes a plant. So you end up going across yourself

679
00:39:59,293 --> 00:40:01,933
Speaker 5: and you get off balance, your head gets outside the line.

680
00:40:02,693 --> 00:40:05,373
Speaker 5: So I rang up Shane O'Connor and I said, how

681
00:40:05,373 --> 00:40:08,613
Speaker 5: do I come out of retirement? I need a left armor? Yeah,

682
00:40:09,933 --> 00:40:11,733
Speaker 5: and he said, can you give me twenty four hours?

683
00:40:11,773 --> 00:40:14,213
Speaker 5: So obviously he had to talk to the missiles and

684
00:40:14,293 --> 00:40:16,253
Speaker 5: he come back and he says, you know, I'm really flattered,

685
00:40:17,653 --> 00:40:23,173
Speaker 5: but no, no, I can't. And so I had a

686
00:40:23,253 --> 00:40:26,493
Speaker 5: chat with the selectors and I said, I need an

687
00:40:26,573 --> 00:40:32,893
Speaker 5: then swing bowler. And they said, well, Tommy Martin Chris

688
00:40:33,053 --> 00:40:36,853
Speaker 5: is the best, but we've you know, we've tried him

689
00:40:36,853 --> 00:40:38,653
Speaker 5: in the past. And I said, but if he can

690
00:40:38,653 --> 00:40:43,533
Speaker 5: spoil and swing, I'm going to take him. And I think,

691
00:40:43,893 --> 00:40:45,453
Speaker 5: you know, in his comeback test, I think you're gonna

692
00:40:45,493 --> 00:40:48,333
Speaker 5: live him for at Eaton Park, didn't he They're right, yep,

693
00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:51,093
Speaker 5: and you know, and he just kept either hitting him

694
00:40:51,133 --> 00:40:54,573
Speaker 5: on the pads or going through the gate and then

695
00:40:54,933 --> 00:41:00,533
Speaker 5: nicking off the left armor the left handers, swinging across

696
00:41:00,573 --> 00:41:03,453
Speaker 5: them and then coming round the wicket and opening them up.

697
00:41:04,173 --> 00:41:06,373
Speaker 5: You know, he was he was opening them up the

698
00:41:06,413 --> 00:41:12,333
Speaker 5: full flint off and those guys exposed Gilchrist to it.

699
00:41:14,693 --> 00:41:17,893
Speaker 2: And so you know there's a time, and that time

700
00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:18,973
Speaker 2: has come around again.

701
00:41:19,013 --> 00:41:22,173
Speaker 5: Where guys are planting in order to be able to

702
00:41:22,253 --> 00:41:26,533
Speaker 5: go six or three two one instead of being able

703
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:29,493
Speaker 5: to build up through and qualify what a good ball is.

704
00:41:30,333 --> 00:41:33,653
Speaker 5: And so the time of the in swinger is back.

705
00:41:34,973 --> 00:41:37,133
Speaker 5: And I think Zach folks are bowling at one hundred

706
00:41:37,133 --> 00:41:42,213
Speaker 5: and twenty seven swinging in swing and exposing England really

707
00:41:42,293 --> 00:41:47,613
Speaker 5: really badly, Jamie Smith in particular, and Joe Root has

708
00:41:47,733 --> 00:41:48,413
Speaker 5: re emerged.

709
00:41:49,013 --> 00:41:51,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Duke's ball will do that too, won't it.

710
00:41:52,373 --> 00:41:55,773
Speaker 5: Oh certainly will certainly will because if it doesn't swing,

711
00:41:55,813 --> 00:41:58,613
Speaker 5: it'll seem in that direction, you know. So Tim Saudi

712
00:41:58,693 --> 00:42:00,853
Speaker 5: been able to get that ball to come back, and

713
00:42:00,933 --> 00:42:04,133
Speaker 5: I know Jacob Duffy has really been working on that

714
00:42:04,253 --> 00:42:05,213
Speaker 5: Tim Soudy ball.

715
00:42:05,613 --> 00:42:07,573
Speaker 2: The outswing of the outswing, of the outswing go a

716
00:42:07,613 --> 00:42:10,613
Speaker 2: little wider three quarter scene running back into the pads.

717
00:42:12,013 --> 00:42:15,933
Speaker 5: You know, he's almost become a Timselding carbon copy, but

718
00:42:16,053 --> 00:42:18,973
Speaker 5: it's still maintaining the pace. So it's great to see

719
00:42:19,013 --> 00:42:22,133
Speaker 5: that carrying on and those skills being passed on.

720
00:42:22,893 --> 00:42:25,853
Speaker 3: Thanks very much. Brace's ed great to have you join us,

721
00:42:25,853 --> 00:42:28,293
Speaker 3: and I'm sure we'll take that opportunity to talk to

722
00:42:28,333 --> 00:42:32,533
Speaker 3: you again Jeremy, you had to listen to John Braceman,

723
00:42:32,613 --> 00:42:37,093
Speaker 3: and I guess you're probably much of the same mind.

724
00:42:37,253 --> 00:42:41,853
Speaker 3: And while it's interesting his assessment of Brendon mccaum, I

725
00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:45,293
Speaker 3: think we probably all see him in much the same

726
00:42:45,413 --> 00:42:53,093
Speaker 3: light Brendan McCallum, but also Brace's analysis of the current

727
00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:56,013
Speaker 3: New Zealand side and players who are starting to develop

728
00:42:56,093 --> 00:42:59,613
Speaker 3: through to the futuries. He's got that confident voice about him,

729
00:42:59,613 --> 00:42:59,933
Speaker 3: hasn't he.

730
00:43:00,973 --> 00:43:03,213
Speaker 4: Well, I think we all do, Brian. We've been saying

731
00:43:03,213 --> 00:43:06,293
Speaker 4: this for some time, the performance of our a group

732
00:43:07,053 --> 00:43:10,493
Speaker 4: of players. I mean, we're all pretty pleased with it,

733
00:43:10,493 --> 00:43:13,493
Speaker 4: aren't we In Bangladesh and how they went there, and

734
00:43:14,253 --> 00:43:16,733
Speaker 4: then a new couple of names come up and they

735
00:43:16,773 --> 00:43:18,973
Speaker 4: go to South Africa and they play well there and

736
00:43:19,013 --> 00:43:24,373
Speaker 4: they're beating decent sides, and so I think there wouldn't

737
00:43:24,373 --> 00:43:26,533
Speaker 4: be any other way we could look at it, really,

738
00:43:26,653 --> 00:43:30,973
Speaker 4: I mean, and you'd have to say that they're doing

739
00:43:31,013 --> 00:43:34,333
Speaker 4: something right at the you know, and here we are

740
00:43:34,413 --> 00:43:39,053
Speaker 4: terribly concerned about our T twenty group of New Zealand

741
00:43:39,253 --> 00:43:42,933
Speaker 4: based players. We're talking about that domestic level I am

742
00:43:43,413 --> 00:43:47,893
Speaker 4: referring to, but they're certainly they're certainly being able to

743
00:43:48,013 --> 00:43:54,013
Speaker 4: cope pretty well and very quickly against the next level up.

744
00:43:54,493 --> 00:43:58,293
Speaker 4: And so I'm very much of like minded to what

745
00:43:58,933 --> 00:44:02,693
Speaker 4: Brace was saying in that in that little interview there.

746
00:44:03,693 --> 00:44:06,893
Speaker 4: I think I think we're we're actually got quite a

747
00:44:06,973 --> 00:44:10,093
Speaker 4: few options at the moment. That that's why, Well, it

748
00:44:10,173 --> 00:44:13,653
Speaker 4: depends on how keen you are to introduce new players.

749
00:44:14,133 --> 00:44:15,893
Speaker 4: A lot of people that I chat to say get

750
00:44:15,933 --> 00:44:19,013
Speaker 4: him in, get him in, and you're a bit like that, yeah,

751
00:44:19,453 --> 00:44:22,573
Speaker 4: And whereas I'm saying, well, hang on a tick, let's

752
00:44:22,733 --> 00:44:25,573
Speaker 4: let's just really make sure we can get this guy

753
00:44:25,613 --> 00:44:30,133
Speaker 4: out before he you know, before he's replaced by a youngster.

754
00:44:30,573 --> 00:44:34,093
Speaker 4: And it's not losing the youngster that much in the meantime, No.

755
00:44:34,253 --> 00:44:36,773
Speaker 3: And those that are there are doing the job. So

756
00:44:36,813 --> 00:44:39,893
Speaker 3: we can't really argue about those in terms of our

757
00:44:40,693 --> 00:44:44,253
Speaker 3: test match players, you know. I mean, there's a bit

758
00:44:44,253 --> 00:44:49,413
Speaker 3: of an argument about the regular reinclusion of Henry Nichols,

759
00:44:49,413 --> 00:44:53,093
Speaker 3: but goodness, when he gets out there, he generally does

760
00:44:53,093 --> 00:44:55,013
Speaker 3: a workman like sort of job. I know, we need

761
00:44:55,053 --> 00:44:58,333
Speaker 3: to look to the future for some of these younger players,

762
00:44:58,333 --> 00:45:01,573
Speaker 3: but you also got to make it harder for them

763
00:45:01,613 --> 00:45:02,213
Speaker 3: to get in than to.

764
00:45:02,213 --> 00:45:06,213
Speaker 4: Get out to some extent, don't you yep yep. I

765
00:45:06,533 --> 00:45:09,773
Speaker 4: think that's probably fair. And that's been one of the

766
00:45:09,813 --> 00:45:13,533
Speaker 4: problems that Brendan has faced, isn't it. It's very hard

767
00:45:13,573 --> 00:45:16,853
Speaker 4: to get out of that group that he likes and

768
00:45:16,893 --> 00:45:21,773
Speaker 4: he has that comfort of a family around him, and

769
00:45:22,853 --> 00:45:25,933
Speaker 4: Brace knows him very well and has coached him and

770
00:45:25,973 --> 00:45:29,453
Speaker 4: so on, so likable, and he likes to have that

771
00:45:29,533 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 4: group around. He is an optimist and he likes aggression.

772
00:45:33,893 --> 00:45:36,773
Speaker 4: The way that he played the thing that I think

773
00:45:36,773 --> 00:45:39,373
Speaker 4: that is important to also say though, but that's not

774
00:45:39,493 --> 00:45:43,773
Speaker 4: the only way you have to play, and cricket, thankfully

775
00:45:43,933 --> 00:45:47,373
Speaker 4: is not one dimensional, and so there are other ways

776
00:45:47,413 --> 00:45:49,453
Speaker 4: that you can think about and you can therefore have

777
00:45:49,533 --> 00:45:54,533
Speaker 4: different types of players in your team. And maybe that

778
00:45:55,093 --> 00:45:59,173
Speaker 4: is something he could think about very very carefully, because

779
00:45:59,533 --> 00:46:03,893
Speaker 4: he actually abandoned the county championship where you select your

780
00:46:03,893 --> 00:46:07,293
Speaker 4: players like our domestic game over in England. The county

781
00:46:07,413 --> 00:46:11,133
Speaker 4: championship is the name of it, and he hasn't really

782
00:46:11,173 --> 00:46:14,653
Speaker 4: looked at that so much. So those are the issues

783
00:46:14,773 --> 00:46:19,053
Speaker 4: I think that will need to be changed if he's

784
00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:22,853
Speaker 4: to remain there. And who knows, none of us are

785
00:46:22,853 --> 00:46:28,133
Speaker 4: making those decisions. So look, I think there are fair

786
00:46:28,173 --> 00:46:32,293
Speaker 4: points that he made. I would tend to agree with

787
00:46:32,373 --> 00:46:37,493
Speaker 4: most of them. Certainly, England and the English cricket community

788
00:46:37,613 --> 00:46:42,813
Speaker 4: tend to look at problems rather than you know, strengths.

789
00:46:43,173 --> 00:46:46,013
Speaker 4: They tend to look at that, these are his weaknesses here,

790
00:46:46,053 --> 00:46:49,013
Speaker 4: they are this, this, this and this and this. Here

791
00:46:49,053 --> 00:46:52,013
Speaker 4: are his strengths there. But they don't counterbalance each other,

792
00:46:52,493 --> 00:46:55,293
Speaker 4: so they they tend to be a wee bit like that.

793
00:46:57,013 --> 00:47:00,213
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean the other thing too, from what Racis

794
00:47:00,213 --> 00:47:03,133
Speaker 3: said is something that you and I have discussed on

795
00:47:03,173 --> 00:47:06,893
Speaker 3: a number of occasions. He has made a point and

796
00:47:06,933 --> 00:47:09,053
Speaker 3: it was an interesting story that he made about getting

797
00:47:09,093 --> 00:47:11,853
Speaker 3: a left armor into the New Zealand side. Yes, Bolt Wagner,

798
00:47:11,853 --> 00:47:14,093
Speaker 3: but we don't sort of have one now. How when

799
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:16,213
Speaker 3: he came in, he tried to get Shane O'Connor, who

800
00:47:16,253 --> 00:47:18,573
Speaker 3: was able to move the ball. He wants players who

801
00:47:18,613 --> 00:47:21,493
Speaker 3: moved the ball, and he went to Chris Martin who

802
00:47:21,853 --> 00:47:22,653
Speaker 3: was someone.

803
00:47:22,453 --> 00:47:23,173
Speaker 4: Who moved the ball.

804
00:47:23,853 --> 00:47:28,213
Speaker 3: He likes Fuchs and I don't argue with that. But

805
00:47:28,653 --> 00:47:30,493
Speaker 3: at the moment we've talked about Fuchs, haven't ween in

806
00:47:30,573 --> 00:47:33,933
Speaker 3: terms of his potential and his ability to swing the ball.

807
00:47:33,973 --> 00:47:35,933
Speaker 3: But he has to be able to do that consistency,

808
00:47:36,173 --> 00:47:41,173
Speaker 3: consistently and at a higher pace. Isn't that right?

809
00:47:42,653 --> 00:47:44,733
Speaker 4: Well, if he is going to move the ball, the

810
00:47:44,773 --> 00:47:47,333
Speaker 4: red ball is a wee bit more sympathetic, isn't it.

811
00:47:47,653 --> 00:47:50,413
Speaker 4: It lasts, The swing lasts a lot longer than it

812
00:47:50,453 --> 00:47:53,093
Speaker 4: does with the white ball. With the white ball, he's

813
00:47:53,133 --> 00:47:55,253
Speaker 4: really got to open the bowling if you want to

814
00:47:55,293 --> 00:47:58,733
Speaker 4: have swing and movement. If he gets it after about

815
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:01,733
Speaker 4: over seven or eight, I'm sorry, it's not going to

816
00:48:01,773 --> 00:48:05,773
Speaker 4: be there. So then you are looking at a potentially

817
00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:09,973
Speaker 4: a different kind of bowler who's got lots of variation,

818
00:48:11,333 --> 00:48:15,373
Speaker 4: you know, or one who does something differently. And so

819
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:20,173
Speaker 4: that's where Folks himself is going to have to use

820
00:48:20,213 --> 00:48:24,893
Speaker 4: his noggin to get different skills rang and then get

821
00:48:24,933 --> 00:48:29,093
Speaker 4: them with some consistency. He's got pounded a couple of games,

822
00:48:29,133 --> 00:48:32,493
Speaker 4: hasn't he. Yep, he did a bit better today when

823
00:48:32,573 --> 00:48:36,413
Speaker 4: the pressure went on the opposition batting trying to chase

824
00:48:36,413 --> 00:48:39,333
Speaker 4: the target down, and he looked a bit more dangerous

825
00:48:39,493 --> 00:48:42,693
Speaker 4: as they tried to swing more wildly at him. But

826
00:48:42,893 --> 00:48:47,293
Speaker 4: if no wickets fall, he's under pressure, under big pressure,

827
00:48:47,733 --> 00:48:51,093
Speaker 4: so and I think he showed glimpse of batting two,

828
00:48:51,093 --> 00:48:54,173
Speaker 4: didn't he today as well? A six and a four

829
00:48:54,253 --> 00:48:56,813
Speaker 4: and then and he got out, but he didn't use

830
00:48:56,893 --> 00:48:59,893
Speaker 4: lots of balls to get there. So as a lower

831
00:49:00,013 --> 00:49:03,773
Speaker 4: order player he can do that as well a number

832
00:49:03,773 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 4: eight or nine. But it's the bowling. He's four, really

833
00:49:09,733 --> 00:49:13,533
Speaker 4: and if he's not moving it at the moment, we

834
00:49:13,613 --> 00:49:16,013
Speaker 4: need him to do that. That's what you picked for.

835
00:49:16,813 --> 00:49:21,853
Speaker 4: So he's his positions in question, even though he's not

836
00:49:21,893 --> 00:49:24,933
Speaker 4: in the squad. I mean, let's make that clear as well.

837
00:49:24,933 --> 00:49:27,173
Speaker 4: At the stage for twenty Just.

838
00:49:27,493 --> 00:49:29,733
Speaker 3: A quick word finally this week, who do you think

839
00:49:29,813 --> 00:49:31,373
Speaker 3: is going to win the Super Smash?

840
00:49:31,693 --> 00:49:32,653
Speaker 2: Jerry?

841
00:49:33,333 --> 00:49:35,493
Speaker 3: You'll be You'll be watching, won't you?

842
00:49:35,533 --> 00:49:39,533
Speaker 4: No? I haven't. I haven't watched that, Brian. Can you

843
00:49:39,533 --> 00:49:43,413
Speaker 4: say a very very important life, very busy life.

844
00:49:44,613 --> 00:49:46,973
Speaker 3: That I know that. Can you just say something like

845
00:49:47,053 --> 00:49:50,973
Speaker 3: the Vacuum? Yeah? Do you agree Wellington Blaze will win

846
00:49:51,053 --> 00:49:54,133
Speaker 3: the women's title and Canterbury will win the men's title?

847
00:49:54,333 --> 00:49:59,813
Speaker 4: Would sounds a good pick to me? Yeah? Have you

848
00:49:59,853 --> 00:50:00,413
Speaker 4: been watching it?

849
00:50:00,453 --> 00:50:00,693
Speaker 5: Have you?

850
00:50:00,733 --> 00:50:02,173
Speaker 4: Have you been going in and doing this?

851
00:50:02,693 --> 00:50:05,973
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, as president, I watched the and I hope

852
00:50:06,013 --> 00:50:09,093
Speaker 3: that Welling can blaze our women's team do job. People

853
00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:10,893
Speaker 3: from the rest of the country probably couldn't kill this

854
00:50:11,013 --> 00:50:14,493
Speaker 3: what I have to say about that. But anyway, that's

855
00:50:14,773 --> 00:50:16,773
Speaker 3: something that we can talk about next week. It's on

856
00:50:16,853 --> 00:50:18,853
Speaker 3: next week. And we'll also have a chat about the

857
00:50:18,933 --> 00:50:21,093
Speaker 3: under nineteens next week because they will have finished what

858
00:50:21,573 --> 00:50:25,173
Speaker 3: has been a disappointing tournament for them. Yeah, and I'm

859
00:50:25,173 --> 00:50:27,813
Speaker 3: sure you see that, Jerry, So we'll look towards that

860
00:50:28,413 --> 00:50:30,653
Speaker 3: next week. But thanks very much for your time, and

861
00:50:30,693 --> 00:50:33,253
Speaker 3: don't forget the vacuuming and all the other things that

862
00:50:33,293 --> 00:50:37,413
Speaker 3: you have to do as a buck to watching World

863
00:50:37,453 --> 00:50:40,733
Speaker 3: two twenty. Thank you very much, Talk again next week.

864
00:50:41,653 --> 00:50:42,613
Speaker 4: See our Words.

865
00:50:43,853 --> 00:50:44,133
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