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Speaker 3: Mod Inna, Good morning, Welcome to news Talk s eDV.

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame in the hot seat with you through to

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Speaker 3: midday today, and boy do we have a treat for

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Speaker 3: you this morning, our feature interview right after the ten

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Speaker 3: o'clock news this morning. As none of the Keiwee TV

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Speaker 3: legend Lucy Lawless, she's gonna be with us with an

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Speaker 3: extraordinary story, a story about out another bona fide legend

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Speaker 3: of New Zealand TV history, but a name that you

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Speaker 3: may not have heard of. The name is Margaret Moth.

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Speaker 3: She was a cameraman in some of the world's most

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Speaker 3: extreme and dangerous war zones. And Lucy Lawless has made

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Speaker 3: an extraordinary documentary about Margaret Moth's life. So she's gonna

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Speaker 3: be with us after ten this morning. Before ten o'clock.

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Speaker 3: It was a great night if you're a Warriors fan,

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Speaker 3: A great night if you were a cheese fan, A

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Speaker 3: great night if you were an All Whites fan, not

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Speaker 3: so much if you're a black Caps fan, and certainly

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Speaker 3: not if you're a fan of more Una Pacifica. But

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Speaker 3: our Sporto will be in very shortly to tie all

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Speaker 3: of that up and look forward to Super Rugby tonight

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Speaker 3: plus the All Whites defining game on Monday evening. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it's a minutes past nine, Jack Dame. And despite the

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Speaker 3: polls I reckon, the last two weeks have been among

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Speaker 3: the best for Prime Minister of Christopher Luxeen in his

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Speaker 3: time in the top job. Sure the numbers aren't showing

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Speaker 3: him and his government much love at the moment. School

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Speaker 3: lunches still have their issues. The Treaty Principles episode is

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Speaker 3: far from over. But at a time when Luxon faces

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Speaker 3: significant pressure on the domestic front and a pretty grumpy

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Speaker 3: voting public, you cannot deny that his efforts last week,

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Speaker 3: first of all the Infrastructure Investment Summit and then this

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Speaker 3: government's push for economic growth. Now, look, I know that

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Speaker 3: we don't have tangibles just yet. I know that we

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Speaker 3: export sector may end up with very little, but at

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Speaker 3: continues to rise, and when our second biggest trading partner,

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Speaker 3: negotiations for a free trade deal were meaningful, seriously meaningful. Now, sure,

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Speaker 3: it's a stretch to think we will get a comprehensive

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Speaker 3: argue we are not in a better position today than

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Speaker 3: we were when Luxon took over. It's my view that

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Speaker 3: on several occasions as National's leader, the PM has suffered

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Speaker 3: just think he's made some kind of misjudgments that perhaps

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Speaker 3: But of as many public facing responsibilities, I reckon he's

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Speaker 3: probably at his best when he's alongside the international business

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Speaker 3: I just remember the PM flew in and flew out.

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Speaker 3: part of New Zealand's current economic malaise is as a

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Speaker 3: hustling for his country. Jack Tea ninety two. Ninety two

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Speaker 3: will get us underway for our Saturday next It's thirteen

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Speaker 3: minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame. This is news.

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Speaker 1: Doalg Edby's a little bit of way to kick off

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Speaker 2: Then with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and beep you it on

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Speaker 3: The past nine on news Talk's EDB. Jack, thank you

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Speaker 3: a well balanced editorial this morning. Jack, I've just watched

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Speaker 3: Crystal Reluxant speaking at the Racing the Dialogue in India.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely stunning address, without any notes. The amount of detail

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Speaker 3: different league, next level stuff. Very talented, says Tony Jack.

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Speaker 3: At last a glimmer of hope acknowledgment for all the

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Speaker 3: hard work that Luxon is putting into his trade program

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Speaker 3: within here and Jack, that's his job, as it has

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Speaker 3: and I think, yeah, Look, whether or not there are

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Speaker 3: course Jacket NEWSORTSDB dot co dot ends. Yet, it is

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Speaker 3: Kevin Milne's birthday week and he is with us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Kilder Kevin, how was it, Curer?

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Speaker 5: I had a very nice week, thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: One of the highlights actually was on the evening of

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I can't think of it an easy, more attractive and

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Speaker 3: Really would that be? You know, have you ever played

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Speaker 3: the death Row dish? You know where they when they

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Speaker 3: say what So if you were on death row and

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Speaker 3: you got to pick your last meal, what meal would

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think it'd be the corn beats ide,

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Speaker 5: going for some crayfish and blood voices?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, someone said someone said that you Yeah, I'm really

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Speaker 3: Really what you want to choose as an all you

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Speaker 3: to please to hear that you enjoyed it. But Kevin,

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about flies this morning?

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's the same way you are, Jack,

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Speaker 5: an interest in flies. How come when they land on

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Speaker 5: I've enhanced my technique at swatting a fly. I don't

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Speaker 5: But yes, yeah, yeah, we're talking about the common household fly.

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Speaker 5: But when they're in the relax position, you slowly bring

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Speaker 5: wonder we can't catch them to set off. Their eyesight

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Speaker 5: Flies can launch themselves off your knee in point seven milliseconds.

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Speaker 6: That's point, not seven seconds. If they're threatened, they can

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Speaker 6: fly at twenty four kilometers an hour. That's the same

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Speaker 6: I would never chance of catching Sam. You could never

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Speaker 6: those that have got something wrong with them. How does

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Speaker 6: that make you feel, Jack, that you're slamming your hand

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things, isn't it that? I Mean,

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Speaker 3: sure you could improve on it, you know, Like it

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but price really, I mean, they are one

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Speaker 5: some extent, I have a despite the fact that I'm

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Speaker 5: always trying to swat them off my knees and stuff

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Speaker 4: Got quite a lot of respect for them.

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Speaker 5: I don't like spraying them really, see, yeah, it seems

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Speaker 3: Well I'm not. I'm not worried by that. My wife is,

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Speaker 3: no one who's visiting our house is going to see it.

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Speaker 3: And maybe I'm you know, a couple of theses taller

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Speaker 3: than my wife which means that she doesn't see it

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Speaker 3: either anyway. Two, if you've got some suggestions, there are

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Speaker 3: time to catch up with Francesca rud Can, our film reviewer,

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Speaker 3: with her picks for this weekend. More than good morning, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we've got a bit of a period drama to begin

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Speaker 3: with things this morning, soy to never listen to Firebrand.

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Speaker 10: There once was a queen by the name of Catherine Parr.

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Speaker 10: She was the sixth wife of the vengeful king Henry

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Speaker 10: the Eighth. The five wives who came before her all

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Speaker 10: met untimely ends, but Catherine's fate was to change the

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Speaker 10: kingdom forever.

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Speaker 11: It sounds like it's been a while since we've been

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Speaker 11: able to sort of get our teeth into a really

447
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Speaker 11: good period drama.

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Speaker 12: I was really excited about this film.

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Speaker 11: You may have caught it when it screened at the

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Speaker 11: New Zealand Jenteral Bilbies of last year. It has now

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Speaker 11: come back for general release and Firebrand has it all.

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Speaker 11: It's got the gorgeous costumes, the fabulous locations sort of

453
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Speaker 11: the lash at direction, the manipulation and desire for power

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Speaker 11: and survival. It's got a bloated and oozing quite literally

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Speaker 11: Jude law as King Henry the Eighth. He's not doing

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Speaker 11: so well at.

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Speaker 12: This point when we meet him.

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Speaker 11: Of course, he's got these terrible infections in his legs

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Speaker 11: and things. Alyssia the Canada. She stars as Catherine Parr,

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Speaker 11: his final queen who survived him, and she is absolutely

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Speaker 11: fantastic and nuanced as a woman who is well aware

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Speaker 11: of her place within the court and that her husband

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Speaker 11: could chop her head off at any moment, but still

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Speaker 11: also has her own ambitions and religious beliefs that she

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Speaker 11: tries to.

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Speaker 12: Nurture and develop.

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Speaker 11: This film takes history and it gives it a feminist

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Speaker 11: and fictional edge.

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Speaker 12: So you'll watch it and you'll go, oh, Okay, this

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Speaker 12: is fantastic.

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Speaker 11: I know this story, and then it just has these

472
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Speaker 11: lovely little twists to it.

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Speaker 12: And I love it when filmmakers do this.

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Speaker 11: It's a little bit like that wonderful TV show for

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Speaker 11: All Mankind about NASA. You know, you just started off again,

476
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Speaker 11: you were going to watch something historical and then it

477
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Speaker 11: just turns on a head, and it's wonderful because it

478
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Speaker 11: just adds a bit of unpredictability to a period drama.

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Speaker 11: It is very clever. I think it could have even

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Speaker 11: pushed things a little bit further. Joe Law, however, is

481
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Speaker 11: absolutely fabulous.

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Speaker 12: He steals every scene he is in. He is not

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Speaker 12: holding back in this role as this.

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Speaker 11: Very difficult man, and he embraces him physically, kind.

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Speaker 12: Of emotionally everything.

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Speaker 11: And Elizabeth Cananda, as I mentioned, does this excellent job

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Speaker 11: of balancing the dutiful wife with her and ambitions. Look,

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Speaker 11: there's plenty of political swagger and royal pandering. Henry's court

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Speaker 11: is you know, everybody is kept on their toes.

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Speaker 12: They're aware of that they're.

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Speaker 11: At the mercy of the king's whims.

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Speaker 12: It's wonderful.

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Speaker 11: I think if you like period dramas, you like immersing

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Speaker 11: yourselves in a different time, but you don't mind a

495
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Speaker 11: little bit of.

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Speaker 12: A twist, and then it's not a factional film. I

497
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Speaker 12: think you'll really enjoy this. It's great.

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Speaker 3: Anytime you can describe an actor as bloated and oozing,

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Speaker 3: I'm into it. Yeah, I think that's yeah.

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Speaker 11: Here's so, here's what they did. Just here's a little tip.

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Speaker 11: When they were shooting the scenes and there were all

502
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Speaker 11: these people in his parlor and they have to unwrap

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Speaker 11: his legs to look at the injuries and put more

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Speaker 11: maggots on and things. Apparently the filmmaker's got someone to

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Speaker 11: create a smell that replicas decaying flee.

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Speaker 12: And they in the room.

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Speaker 11: This is what I heard, And they put that in

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Speaker 11: the room when they were shooting the scenes, and actually

509
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Speaker 11: everybody does react so brilliantly to it.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, so there we go filmmaking for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. Okay, that's firebrand. Yeah, no, wonder you do

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Speaker 3: with that? Next up, the film screening on Netflix at

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Speaker 3: the moment. This is the Electric State.

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Speaker 13: Rebellion, when the robots deviated from their assigned tash with them.

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Speaker 2: To the Electric State.

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Speaker 3: Bam, Chris Pratt and Millie Bobby Brown tell us about

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Speaker 3: the electric.

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Speaker 11: Spids, and Stanley Tucci and Woody Harrelson and Brian Cox

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Speaker 11: and Holly Hunter and Jason Alexander, just a few names

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Speaker 11: to throw out there. This Look, what I heard about

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Speaker 11: this film is that it has this incredible cast, which

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Speaker 11: it does, and it's possibly one of the most expensive

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Speaker 11: movies ever made. So the rumor is they spend three

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Speaker 11: hundred and twenty million US on this film.

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Speaker 12: This is this is Netflix, This is Netflix.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 12: They won't confirm the figure, but if it is true,

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Speaker 12: it is.

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Speaker 11: Definitely the most expensive stream streaming film ever made.

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Speaker 12: And you know what turned in twenty million bucks. Oh

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Speaker 12: it's good light escapism.

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Speaker 2: That's not great, really, yeah, Nook.

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Speaker 11: It starts off with a hien raw and I thought

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Speaker 11: this is going to be fantastic. There's kind of the

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Speaker 11: film sort of sets us up as you heard there.

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Speaker 12: It sort of sets the story, sets.

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Speaker 11: Up that he'rre in the nineteen nineties, there's a war

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Speaker 11: with robots, robots are outlawed, and.

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Speaker 12: There's a lot of really clever use of historical footage,

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Speaker 12: some very.

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Speaker 11: Funny moments, and I was going, this is going to

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Speaker 11: be such a great action comedy. They've got the balance right.

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Speaker 11: And then as the film kind of progresses, it sloths

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Speaker 11: and it becomes a little bit plotty, and the s

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Speaker 11: dialogue isn't maybe as sharp as it should be, and

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Speaker 11: then it packs up again at the end for a

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Speaker 11: lovely kind of epic ending. So I did feel that

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Speaker 11: they had something here, but it sort of just drifted

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Speaker 11: into a little bit of a predictable sci fi film.

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Speaker 11: So Millie Bubby Brown, she plays this character. She believes

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Speaker 11: the consciousness of her presumed dead brother is in a

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Speaker 11: robot that comes to find her, and she goes off

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Speaker 11: in search of her brother, and she ends up in

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Speaker 11: this place called the Exclusion Zone, and she's helped by

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Speaker 11: the Scavenger outlaw Chris Pratt, who actually just acts like

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Speaker 11: he has warped out of Galians of the Galaxy and

557
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Speaker 11: onto the set. Apparently got twenty million for that, so

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Speaker 11: good on her. It's made by Anthony and Joe Russo,

559
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Speaker 11: who responsible for films like Wore An Endgame. They did

560
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Speaker 11: four Avengers films. They know what they're doing. And the

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Speaker 11: robots are fantastic. Look the they're impressive.

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Speaker 12: The action and the visuals are really really good. And

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Speaker 12: as I say, it sort of starts well and ends well.

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Speaker 12: It just sort of it was a bit.

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Speaker 13: Of a lully middle.

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Speaker 12: It's a shame.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah it's fair enough. But yeah, I'm stunned

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Speaker 3: that Netflix is even spending that much on films at

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Speaker 3: the moment.

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Speaker 9: Well, here's the.

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Speaker 11: Thing, right, here's the thing. Everyone just sits and watches streaming,

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Speaker 11: so it's really easy to capture your audience. You don't

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Speaker 11: need to make the go to a cinema and pay

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Speaker 11: for it. So that I don't think they really they're not.

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Speaker 11: I think they want to make their money bag, but

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Speaker 11: they're not hugely fuss. They know that people will watch it,

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Speaker 11: and apparently it is already sitting at number one and.

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Speaker 3: Them, yeah, okay, Well that's the Electric State streaming on

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Speaker 3: Netflix at the moment. And Francesca's first film, the one

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Speaker 3: that is showing in cinemas is Firebrand. Will put all

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Speaker 3: of the details for those films up on the News

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Speaker 3: Talks Big website. Now after ten o'clock we're going to

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Speaker 3: tell you about this other film. It is the first

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Speaker 3: time that Lucy Lawless has switched roles in making something

585
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Speaker 3: from actor to director. She's made this amazing new documentary

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Speaker 3: about Kiwi camera woman Margaret Moth. Now that name may

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Speaker 3: or may not be familiar to you, it's familiar to me.

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Speaker 3: We learned all about her when I was studying to

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Speaker 3: become a journalist, because she's kind of a bona fide

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Speaker 3: legend in the New Zealand news business. But Margaret Moth

591
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Speaker 3: was a camera woman in the nineties, started in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: went to the US, was working in the US, and

593
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Speaker 3: ended up getting a job as a camera woman for CNN.

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Speaker 3: Working in war zones around the world, but when she

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Speaker 3: was in Bosnia shooting and filming in Sardajovo during the war,

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Speaker 3: Margaret Moth had been there for a couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: when she was shot in the face by a sniper. Now,

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Speaker 3: it was pretty touch and go after she was shot.

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Speaker 3: Remarkably though she managed to survive. She was evacuated from Sardajovo.

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Speaker 3: She went through all sorts of surgeries as she tried

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Speaker 3: to recover, and she had this incredible line once she

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Speaker 3: was able to speak again, in that she said she

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Speaker 3: wanted to turned to Sardayovo, she wanted to work again

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Speaker 3: as a camera woman, and she had to return to

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Speaker 3: Bosnia so she could collect her teeth. I think that

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Speaker 3: one little instant tells you a lot about the woman.

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Speaker 3: But she was a complex woman, and Lucy Lawless has

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Speaker 3: told her story in an incredible way. So Lucy Lawless

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Speaker 3: with us right after the ten o'clock news this morning.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you stick around for that. Right now, it's

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 3: your editorial was spot on this morning, Jack, very irresponsible

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks from Christopher Likesn's perspective have been among

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Speaker 3: Imagine? I think that one has Yeah, there you go, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: We're sort of reaching the end of the warm weather.

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Speaker 3: and tomatoes before the gone.

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Speaker 15: Look, I really do.

651
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Speaker 14: I probably say this about this time every year to you, Jack,

652
00:33:25,133 --> 00:33:27,173
Speaker 14: but this is sort of my favorite time of the year.

653
00:33:27,253 --> 00:33:29,413
Speaker 15: We've still got kind of summer.

654
00:33:29,133 --> 00:33:32,453
Speaker 14: Produce that Austin gets really good at about this time,

655
00:33:32,893 --> 00:33:34,573
Speaker 14: most people have given it up, given it up.

656
00:33:34,653 --> 00:33:35,973
Speaker 15: They're like, oh corn.

657
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Speaker 14: You know, whereas it's super cheap at the moment, you know,

658
00:33:40,693 --> 00:33:43,293
Speaker 14: and the little tomatoes, cherry tomatoes, I mean I know

659
00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:45,453
Speaker 14: that they do stick around all year these days.

660
00:33:45,293 --> 00:33:47,933
Speaker 15: But tomatoes are only just getting good.

661
00:33:48,613 --> 00:33:51,533
Speaker 14: Our family has a long history of going tomato picking

662
00:33:51,853 --> 00:33:55,093
Speaker 14: out in Mangoty at the Young's farm out there, and

663
00:33:55,093 --> 00:33:57,413
Speaker 14: it's only now that those big beef steak and that

664
00:33:57,533 --> 00:33:59,733
Speaker 14: come into their own, so you know, it is a

665
00:33:59,733 --> 00:34:01,733
Speaker 14: time for that. And so I've combined them into these

666
00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:04,573
Speaker 14: corn and tomato fridders. And they're not like the corn

667
00:34:04,573 --> 00:34:05,293
Speaker 14: fritters that you know.

668
00:34:05,413 --> 00:34:06,173
Speaker 16: Oh no, no, no.

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00:34:06,853 --> 00:34:09,253
Speaker 15: They're more like a sort of little puff, if you

670
00:34:09,293 --> 00:34:11,453
Speaker 15: know what I mean. That's what you do. They're really good.

671
00:34:11,493 --> 00:34:13,493
Speaker 15: They're crispy on the outside. They're kind of soft in

672
00:34:13,533 --> 00:34:16,013
Speaker 15: the middle. Oh, just a dorm. I've been eating so

673
00:34:16,053 --> 00:34:17,613
Speaker 15: many of them. So here's what I do.

674
00:34:17,653 --> 00:34:20,013
Speaker 14: Here's a base recipe, and I've got some other variations

675
00:34:20,013 --> 00:34:22,813
Speaker 14: that we could use too, And a bowl whis together

676
00:34:22,893 --> 00:34:28,133
Speaker 14: a large egg, three tablespoons of flour, and about half

677
00:34:28,133 --> 00:34:31,173
Speaker 14: a teaspoon of baking powder gives them that beautiful little puff.

678
00:34:31,453 --> 00:34:33,613
Speaker 14: And a good half teaspoon of sea salt and a

679
00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:37,493
Speaker 14: good pinch of pepper take the corn off kernels.

680
00:34:37,733 --> 00:34:38,893
Speaker 15: Take the kernels off the corn.

681
00:34:39,133 --> 00:34:41,653
Speaker 14: So don't be using candle or frozen corn at this

682
00:34:41,773 --> 00:34:43,733
Speaker 14: time of the year, just grab one. You know, you

683
00:34:43,813 --> 00:34:46,573
Speaker 14: get a surprising amount of kernels off one corn cob.

684
00:34:46,653 --> 00:34:49,413
Speaker 14: So you want about a cup of corn kernels, taking

685
00:34:49,493 --> 00:34:52,933
Speaker 14: it off the cob with a serrated knife, and do

686
00:34:53,013 --> 00:34:55,533
Speaker 14: it in a kind of wide, shallow bowl if you can,

687
00:34:55,693 --> 00:34:58,213
Speaker 14: like a pasta bowl or something so that you do

688
00:34:58,253 --> 00:35:01,813
Speaker 14: it on the bench. Oh, the corn kernels jump around everywhere.

689
00:35:02,013 --> 00:35:03,933
Speaker 14: Drives me crazy. So I do it into a little

690
00:35:03,933 --> 00:35:06,813
Speaker 14: lipped bowl. And then you've got a hundred grams of

691
00:35:06,853 --> 00:35:10,933
Speaker 14: cherry tomatoes. Have or quarter those into little bits. I've

692
00:35:10,933 --> 00:35:13,093
Speaker 14: got a teaspoin of cuman seed's hea gives us a

693
00:35:13,093 --> 00:35:16,973
Speaker 14: beautiful flavor, and a small handful of fresh coriander chopped up,

694
00:35:17,533 --> 00:35:18,533
Speaker 14: and combine all of.

695
00:35:18,493 --> 00:35:20,613
Speaker 15: That until it's a thick, chunky batter.

696
00:35:20,893 --> 00:35:24,533
Speaker 14: It shouldn't be too stiff, but it's certainly not like

697
00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:26,053
Speaker 14: your regular corn, for it is where.

698
00:35:25,893 --> 00:35:27,013
Speaker 15: You missed cream corn.

699
00:35:27,733 --> 00:35:29,733
Speaker 14: Throwing a little iced water if you need to jack,

700
00:35:29,813 --> 00:35:31,253
Speaker 14: just to loosen that up a little bit.

701
00:35:31,533 --> 00:35:33,053
Speaker 15: And then you want to heat enough oil.

702
00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:35,533
Speaker 14: I tend to use grape seed oil or rice brand,

703
00:35:35,653 --> 00:35:38,133
Speaker 14: something kind of neutral in a small pan or even

704
00:35:38,133 --> 00:35:40,933
Speaker 14: a saucepan, because you want to shallow fry these, which

705
00:35:40,973 --> 00:35:43,093
Speaker 14: means you want to take a big sort of tablespoon

706
00:35:43,213 --> 00:35:46,373
Speaker 14: of the batter and throw it into this beautiful hot

707
00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:50,573
Speaker 14: oil and it should come about halfway up the fritter

708
00:35:50,653 --> 00:35:54,213
Speaker 14: if you like. You want to fry that till it's

709
00:35:54,213 --> 00:35:56,573
Speaker 14: golden brown, and then sort of turn them over, and

710
00:35:56,693 --> 00:35:59,213
Speaker 14: please be careful of the popping corn.

711
00:35:59,693 --> 00:36:02,373
Speaker 15: They will really split, So sort of watch these.

712
00:36:02,213 --> 00:36:05,693
Speaker 14: Things from a distance once they're cooked all the way

713
00:36:05,733 --> 00:36:09,533
Speaker 14: through them on some paper. Mix a little bit of chili,

714
00:36:09,613 --> 00:36:12,533
Speaker 14: maybe some chili powder, and with some sour cream or

715
00:36:12,533 --> 00:36:15,893
Speaker 14: some mayo or some cream fresh, just something creamy, and

716
00:36:15,973 --> 00:36:18,413
Speaker 14: serve that with your fritteres. Maybe a squeeze of lime

717
00:36:19,213 --> 00:36:20,493
Speaker 14: or lemon over them as well.

718
00:36:20,733 --> 00:36:24,373
Speaker 15: Absolutely delicious. I have been eating a lot of these.

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00:36:24,453 --> 00:36:27,813
Speaker 14: Yeah, very unusual to have the sort of the hot,

720
00:36:27,893 --> 00:36:30,533
Speaker 14: lovely tomato in there and then the crunch of the

721
00:36:30,533 --> 00:36:32,613
Speaker 14: corn all bound up.

722
00:36:32,693 --> 00:36:33,373
Speaker 15: It's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: This is such a good combination though, such a delicious combination.

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00:36:38,373 --> 00:36:40,173
Speaker 14: I'm going to also say that you could replace the

725
00:36:40,213 --> 00:36:43,053
Speaker 14: cuman seeds malted lemon grass. I'm going to say you

726
00:36:43,093 --> 00:36:45,573
Speaker 14: could put some chopped bacon or ham in them as well.

727
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:47,493
Speaker 14: I'm going to say that you could also leave out

728
00:36:47,493 --> 00:36:50,533
Speaker 14: the cumen and put in basil or oregona and shower

729
00:36:50,573 --> 00:36:52,493
Speaker 14: the grated parmesan afterwards.

730
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Speaker 3: Yep, very good, Thank you so much. Nikki will put

731
00:36:57,373 --> 00:36:59,253
Speaker 3: that recipe up on the news talks. He'd be website

732
00:36:59,253 --> 00:37:01,453
Speaker 3: so you can make it at home. So many techs

733
00:37:01,493 --> 00:37:03,013
Speaker 3: have come and I just haven't got to them yet.

734
00:37:03,293 --> 00:37:05,693
Speaker 3: In the last forty five minutes or so, saying come on, Jack,

735
00:37:05,733 --> 00:37:08,013
Speaker 3: time to get one one of those bug A salt guns.

736
00:37:08,573 --> 00:37:10,453
Speaker 3: Maybe we should get one for Kevin for a sort

737
00:37:10,453 --> 00:37:13,013
Speaker 3: of belated birthday present. Those bug A salt guns you

738
00:37:13,013 --> 00:37:14,893
Speaker 3: know where you just they don't have batteries or anything.

739
00:37:14,893 --> 00:37:16,453
Speaker 3: You just load a little bit of table salt in

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Speaker 3: there and you're abitor stalk the flyers at your place.

741
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Speaker 3: Thank you for that suggestion. Right now, it's seven to.

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Speaker 1: Ten, giving you the inside scoop on all you need

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Speaker 3: Margaret Moth was a New Zealand camera woman who went

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Speaker 3: from Dunners and Even where she worked for DNTV two

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Speaker 3: big Time. When CNN was introduced, Margaret Moth got a

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Speaker 3: job as a camera woman and ended up filming all

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Speaker 3: around the world. But of nineteen ninety two, right in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the Yugoslavian War, she was filming in

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Speaker 3: sniper at Alley in Sardajovo when she was shot. She

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Speaker 3: was there with Christian Amanpor a couple of big name

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Speaker 3: CNN reporters managed to be evacuated. Despite it all being

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Speaker 3: kind of touch and go, she survived and after lots

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Speaker 3: of rehabilitative surgeries, made her way back to war zones,

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Speaker 3: where she continued filming for many years to follow. Her

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Speaker 3: story has been told in the most extraordinary way by

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Speaker 3: Key we screen legend Lucy Lawless. So Lucy's going to

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Speaker 3: Margaret's story and tell us all about the film as

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Speaker 3: the first time ever, Lucy Lawless has made the shift

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Speaker 3: from actor to director in a new documentary about another

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Speaker 3: key we icon of the big screen, Margaret Moth. Margaret

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Speaker 3: was a character, to say the least, a bit of

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Speaker 3: an unconventional war correspondent who thrived in her decades filming

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Speaker 3: in war zones around the world. The documentary is called

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Speaker 3: Never look Away.

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Speaker 2: For Better or for Worse.

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Speaker 5: War is an amazing field.

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Speaker 3: But didn't seem to feel the same way.

782
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Speaker 2: She was the first camera woman for television New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: She looked so rock and roll twenty four to seven.

784
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Speaker 2: A female cameraman and a male dominated world. That definitely

785
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Speaker 2: gave her a charge.

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Speaker 13: I've never made anything about being a female. She just

787
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Speaker 13: did it. Look at me, here's the camera.

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Speaker 3: This is what I do, direk de. Lucy Lawless is

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Speaker 3: with us this morning. Killed a good morning Yoda.

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Speaker 13: Jack.

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Speaker 3: I know this is a question that you answer over

792
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Speaker 3: the course of the documentary, but I'm hoping you can

793
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Speaker 3: give us a bit of a snapshot. Who is Margaret Moth.

794
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Speaker 13: Margaret Moth was a kick ass woman from New Zealand

795
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Speaker 13: who ran off and became a CNN camera person at

796
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Speaker 13: the at the start of twenty four to seven News

797
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Speaker 13: and found her place.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 13: Unfortunately, the world that she chose meant that she was

800
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Speaker 13: on the receiving end of a sniper's bullet in Sarajeva

801
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Speaker 13: and got her face blown off and then things get

802
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Speaker 13: really crazy. So she did not die.

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Speaker 3: No, she didn't die. And I mean she is I

804
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Speaker 3: mean she's someone I can say that's working in the

805
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Speaker 3: news business, you know, like she is a legend of

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Speaker 3: an absolute bona fide, top of the pyramid legend in

807
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Speaker 3: New Zealand news. But obviously you have worked over the

808
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Speaker 3: years in different parts of television. So how did you

809
00:41:23,933 --> 00:41:24,893
Speaker 3: come across her story?

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Speaker 13: Well, I was approached by her best friend, Joe Duran,

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Speaker 13: who's in the.

812
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Speaker 4: Film, and.

813
00:41:32,413 --> 00:41:33,733
Speaker 13: He said, Hey, do you want to make a film

814
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Speaker 13: about my friend Margaret Moth? And I was so swept

815
00:41:40,773 --> 00:41:46,773
Speaker 13: up in this crazy sensation of this woman who many

816
00:41:46,853 --> 00:41:48,893
Speaker 13: years before in nineteen ninety two when she was shot

817
00:41:49,053 --> 00:41:53,013
Speaker 13: by that bullet in Sarajova. The news report was so

818
00:41:53,213 --> 00:41:56,893
Speaker 13: captivating that everything that I know about Margaret Moth had

819
00:41:56,933 --> 00:42:00,373
Speaker 13: to have happened in that report in that week when

820
00:42:00,373 --> 00:42:03,053
Speaker 13: they were, you know, not sure whether she was going

821
00:42:03,093 --> 00:42:06,373
Speaker 13: to survive or not. I hadn't thought about her since,

822
00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:09,693
Speaker 13: But in that moment that I received the email, I

823
00:42:09,733 --> 00:42:13,413
Speaker 13: wrote back immediately, I mean within ninety seconds, making all

824
00:42:13,413 --> 00:42:16,733
Speaker 13: these crazy promises which I had no business doing. So

825
00:42:16,933 --> 00:42:19,253
Speaker 13: I will find the money, I will find the producers.

826
00:42:19,573 --> 00:42:23,053
Speaker 13: The story has to be told. And I didn't realize

827
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Speaker 13: that what I was now participating in was actually bringing

828
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Speaker 13: Margaret home in a way, because she had left New

829
00:42:31,133 --> 00:42:35,853
Speaker 13: Zealand under a cloud of mystery, which is really really fascinating.

830
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Speaker 13: But I couldn't prove it, so I couldn't I couldn't

831
00:42:38,653 --> 00:42:42,693
Speaker 13: use it in the documentary. But she never came back

832
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Speaker 13: for many many years, till her mother was dying. Only

833
00:42:45,773 --> 00:42:48,893
Speaker 13: once did she come back. Yeah, so I wanted to

834
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Speaker 13: bring her home. I think that's New Zealanders know about her.

835
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Speaker 3: I think it's such a nice way to think about it,

836
00:42:54,093 --> 00:42:57,773
Speaker 3: bringing her home, because she was like she was someone

837
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Speaker 3: who she started her career in New Zealand working in

838
00:43:00,693 --> 00:43:03,333
Speaker 3: TV news, but then kind of spread her wings and

839
00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:06,933
Speaker 3: was clearly she was It was almost like, I mean,

840
00:43:07,053 --> 00:43:08,973
Speaker 3: she's obviously a complex person. It's almost like she was

841
00:43:09,053 --> 00:43:13,933
Speaker 3: running from something a because she she sort of went

842
00:43:13,973 --> 00:43:19,133
Speaker 3: to the most opposite to New Zealand like environments you

843
00:43:19,173 --> 00:43:23,093
Speaker 3: could possibly imagine that we're talking about, yes, bag Dad

844
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Speaker 3: Aganista Sutover during the siege, Like these places are about

845
00:43:27,133 --> 00:43:28,973
Speaker 3: as far from New Zealand as you can get in

846
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Speaker 3: every sense, don't you think.

847
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Speaker 13: Right, But in between there was eight or nine years

848
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Speaker 13: of lying fallow in Texas, of all places, where she

849
00:43:38,133 --> 00:43:42,373
Speaker 13: was basically taking drugs, hitting the punk scene and working

850
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Speaker 13: her way through the news hierarchy there, you know, just

851
00:43:47,253 --> 00:43:49,253
Speaker 13: trying to get a gig. She worked in a hospital,

852
00:43:49,293 --> 00:43:52,013
Speaker 13: she did all these other jobs. She painted houses, did

853
00:43:52,093 --> 00:43:55,693
Speaker 13: anything to keep alive before we found out that she

854
00:43:55,773 --> 00:43:56,733
Speaker 13: was working for CNN.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she she She had this amazing, amazing

856
00:44:04,373 --> 00:44:06,093
Speaker 3: line that you shared in the film, in which she

857
00:44:06,133 --> 00:44:10,133
Speaker 3: sees that she always thought it was funny that people

858
00:44:10,213 --> 00:44:13,893
Speaker 3: spend their lives saving for retirement, and she knew that

859
00:44:13,933 --> 00:44:17,653
Speaker 3: she would never be financially wealthy in retirement, but that

860
00:44:17,693 --> 00:44:21,173
Speaker 3: she would feel rich because of her experiences.

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00:44:21,933 --> 00:44:26,893
Speaker 13: Yes, she was hungry for experience and sensation. I think, Yeah,

862
00:44:26,933 --> 00:44:29,773
Speaker 13: something in her childhood made her and you know what,

863
00:44:29,813 --> 00:44:32,253
Speaker 13: I felt that too, and maybe a lot of New Zealanders.

864
00:44:32,253 --> 00:44:34,053
Speaker 13: Do you know, we come from a little, tiny, safe

865
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Speaker 13: country and she's always proud of New Zealand. At the

866
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Speaker 13: bottom of the world. Your eyes are big and your

867
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Speaker 13: ears are open for everything and the rest of the world.

868
00:44:44,453 --> 00:44:47,373
Speaker 13: You know, you're hungry to discover what else lies out there.

869
00:44:47,413 --> 00:44:51,853
Speaker 13: That's why we go on this oe business traditionally, that's

870
00:44:51,893 --> 00:44:54,533
Speaker 13: part of being a key. We've been raised in this

871
00:44:54,653 --> 00:44:56,573
Speaker 13: lovely little jewel of the land at the bottom of

872
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Speaker 13: the world.

873
00:44:57,413 --> 00:45:01,493
Speaker 3: So do you think that was the driving ambition for Margaret,

874
00:45:01,533 --> 00:45:04,293
Speaker 3: that she just wanted to have lots of experiences and

875
00:45:04,293 --> 00:45:07,693
Speaker 3: that's what ultimately led her to being in war zones?

876
00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:09,773
Speaker 3: Or do you think there was you know that there

877
00:45:09,813 --> 00:45:13,293
Speaker 3: were other dimensions to you know, to whatever it was

878
00:45:13,333 --> 00:45:15,013
Speaker 3: that led her to those parts of the world.

879
00:45:16,493 --> 00:45:19,293
Speaker 13: Okay, well, what I'm going to say my inference is

880
00:45:19,533 --> 00:45:22,453
Speaker 13: not what she would say, yeah, you know, because she

881
00:45:22,493 --> 00:45:24,773
Speaker 13: would just say she was hungry for experience. She wanted to.

882
00:45:24,773 --> 00:45:27,613
Speaker 13: She had this insatiable curiosity, and that's true, that seems

883
00:45:27,653 --> 00:45:31,453
Speaker 13: to be true. But I do think that she had

884
00:45:31,693 --> 00:45:35,773
Speaker 13: experienced some amount of trauma in her childhood, that she

885
00:45:35,973 --> 00:45:39,813
Speaker 13: had kind of had this vibration of chaos within her,

886
00:45:39,973 --> 00:45:42,213
Speaker 13: you know, so to be in a chaotic environment like

887
00:45:42,333 --> 00:45:47,773
Speaker 13: war was where she felt most comfortable because, in my opinion,

888
00:45:48,173 --> 00:45:51,693
Speaker 13: it mirrored her in her life, you know, her in

889
00:45:51,733 --> 00:45:55,893
Speaker 13: her hunger for extreme sensation.

890
00:45:56,293 --> 00:45:59,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it did such a good

891
00:45:59,053 --> 00:46:01,013
Speaker 3: job in telling her story because one thing that makes

892
00:46:01,013 --> 00:46:04,613
Speaker 3: it really difficult is that when you are a camera person,

893
00:46:04,853 --> 00:46:07,973
Speaker 3: by definition, you are behind the camera, which means that

894
00:46:08,053 --> 00:46:11,093
Speaker 3: when you're trying to tell the story of her being

895
00:46:11,133 --> 00:46:13,333
Speaker 3: in these different environments and these really kind of high

896
00:46:13,373 --> 00:46:18,493
Speaker 3: streets experiences and traumatic experiences and war zones and stuff like,

897
00:46:18,573 --> 00:46:21,013
Speaker 3: the pictures that you have are pictures that she's taken

898
00:46:21,133 --> 00:46:24,013
Speaker 3: rather than ones that she's necessarily participated in. So how

899
00:46:24,013 --> 00:46:25,373
Speaker 3: did you kind of navigate that?

900
00:46:25,573 --> 00:46:26,013
Speaker 7: Oh?

901
00:46:26,053 --> 00:46:29,733
Speaker 13: That was so hard. It was extremely difficult to find

902
00:46:30,213 --> 00:46:36,453
Speaker 13: images of Margaret. The ones that we had were either

903
00:46:36,573 --> 00:46:40,613
Speaker 13: in her suitcase of treasures that she left to Joe,

904
00:46:41,773 --> 00:46:45,413
Speaker 13: or I was just got on the blower in New

905
00:46:45,493 --> 00:46:47,653
Speaker 13: Zealand and talked to one friend who gave me the

906
00:46:47,693 --> 00:46:50,573
Speaker 13: number for another friend. And then this fabulous man called

907
00:46:50,613 --> 00:46:54,613
Speaker 13: Paul john said, Mosco with Margaret. I think I've got

908
00:46:55,573 --> 00:46:58,653
Speaker 13: some sixteen mil film of Margaret's staring straight down the

909
00:46:58,653 --> 00:47:01,413
Speaker 13: barrel of the lens. We were doing this warhole esque

910
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:03,813
Speaker 13: project at art school. Would you like it? I said,

911
00:47:03,933 --> 00:47:08,693
Speaker 13: yes please, So that footage we had it digitized, and

912
00:47:08,773 --> 00:47:12,613
Speaker 13: that footage starts and ends the movie. So I really

913
00:47:12,613 --> 00:47:16,293
Speaker 13: thank mister Johns for that and the other bet the

914
00:47:16,293 --> 00:47:19,133
Speaker 13: other bed. I found her working by doing research on

915
00:47:19,173 --> 00:47:24,253
Speaker 13: this horrible massacre in Lebanon, and I was watching looking

916
00:47:24,253 --> 00:47:26,733
Speaker 13: on YouTube hours at the start and I wait a minute,

917
00:47:26,733 --> 00:47:28,733
Speaker 13: back it up. Was that Margaret on the ground with

918
00:47:28,813 --> 00:47:31,853
Speaker 13: her camera and there was evidence of Margaret in the

919
00:47:31,893 --> 00:47:36,093
Speaker 13: back of other camera people's shots. So it's just by

920
00:47:36,213 --> 00:47:39,253
Speaker 13: dumb luck and assiduity I found that.

921
00:47:39,933 --> 00:47:43,933
Speaker 3: So it's rare enough for New Zealand journalists to be,

922
00:47:44,573 --> 00:47:46,733
Speaker 3: you know, working for CNN and in these kind of

923
00:47:47,613 --> 00:47:52,133
Speaker 3: war zones during this period, But just how uncommon was

924
00:47:52,173 --> 00:47:56,213
Speaker 3: it to have a female camera person in you know,

925
00:47:56,293 --> 00:47:57,973
Speaker 3: in the in these kind of places.

926
00:47:59,013 --> 00:48:03,013
Speaker 13: Well, definitely there are standout even then, but I will

927
00:48:03,053 --> 00:48:09,813
Speaker 13: say Margaret was part of a slew of female journalists

928
00:48:09,853 --> 00:48:13,173
Speaker 13: and crew who were absorbed into this new form of

929
00:48:13,293 --> 00:48:16,853
Speaker 13: news which was CNN, right Ted. Ted Turner was like,

930
00:48:16,933 --> 00:48:19,533
Speaker 13: if they are qualified and willing to go, I'm going

931
00:48:19,613 --> 00:48:22,413
Speaker 13: to send them. So a lot of women into the

932
00:48:22,413 --> 00:48:25,093
Speaker 13: workforce at that time, as as I guess, war is

933
00:48:25,133 --> 00:48:29,173
Speaker 13: always like that. It's always brings a lot of women

934
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Speaker 13: into the workforce.

935
00:48:30,293 --> 00:48:33,333
Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah, Because I mean she's working alongside some

936
00:48:33,653 --> 00:48:37,053
Speaker 3: you know, legionds like Christiana I'm I'm poor and you know, yes,

937
00:48:37,293 --> 00:48:41,853
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the best known international and war

938
00:48:41,893 --> 00:48:44,813
Speaker 3: correspondence of the last few generations.

939
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Speaker 13: At you believe I got her on screen. I couldn't

940
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Speaker 13: have counted on that, But it was as a favorite

941
00:48:51,533 --> 00:48:54,733
Speaker 13: job out of respect for Margaret. She did it because

942
00:48:55,453 --> 00:48:59,693
Speaker 13: the day that we interviewed Christian was the day that

943
00:49:00,133 --> 00:49:04,053
Speaker 13: Ukraine was invaded and all the journalists were pinned in

944
00:49:04,053 --> 00:49:05,933
Speaker 13: the red. They just want to get there there there

945
00:49:06,053 --> 00:49:08,813
Speaker 13: there their trauma bondage to the job, in my opinion,

946
00:49:09,413 --> 00:49:13,813
Speaker 13: and maybe that's what it was with Margaret and wore

947
00:49:14,173 --> 00:49:18,893
Speaker 13: her trauma inside matched the trauma outside. You know what,

948
00:49:18,893 --> 00:49:20,693
Speaker 13: I've never thought of that before, but that's that's exactly

949
00:49:20,773 --> 00:49:25,533
Speaker 13: what I was trying to say before. Yes, so it

950
00:49:25,573 --> 00:49:28,773
Speaker 13: was extremely generous of Christiane to give us that time

951
00:49:29,373 --> 00:49:33,253
Speaker 13: in the Margaret Moth room at CNN in London.

952
00:49:33,533 --> 00:49:39,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, that observation is, that's that's so on point, because

953
00:49:39,653 --> 00:49:42,093
Speaker 3: if you think about it, it's like it's like the

954
00:49:42,093 --> 00:49:44,613
Speaker 3: stuff that she sees and wre the horrors that she

955
00:49:44,693 --> 00:49:49,693
Speaker 3: saw and more kind of kind of gave meaning to

956
00:49:50,013 --> 00:49:53,133
Speaker 3: whatever crazy feelings she had buried inside or something.

957
00:49:53,213 --> 00:49:53,373
Speaker 7: Eh.

958
00:49:53,933 --> 00:49:57,373
Speaker 13: Yeah, and her sense of justice and rage. You know,

959
00:49:57,453 --> 00:50:03,373
Speaker 13: she had quite a volcanic, volcanic rage within her that

960
00:50:03,413 --> 00:50:06,093
Speaker 13: would pop out at odd moments, but it kind of

961
00:50:06,373 --> 00:50:10,733
Speaker 13: I think it made sense on some disgusting plane for her, like, yeah, look,

962
00:50:10,893 --> 00:50:13,093
Speaker 13: this is how people behave. I knew it. I knew

963
00:50:13,093 --> 00:50:14,013
Speaker 13: it from my childhood.

964
00:50:14,373 --> 00:50:15,413
Speaker 4: Here it is, you know.

965
00:50:15,733 --> 00:50:18,133
Speaker 3: So one of the things that made the Siege of

966
00:50:18,133 --> 00:50:24,653
Speaker 3: Sardajevo unique was that it's really the first time in

967
00:50:24,733 --> 00:50:30,413
Speaker 3: a conflict of that size that journalists have been deliberately targeted.

968
00:50:30,453 --> 00:50:33,493
Speaker 3: And of course it's coinciding with this advent of CNN,

969
00:50:33,533 --> 00:50:35,773
Speaker 3: So you've got this demand for twenty four hour News

970
00:50:36,253 --> 00:50:38,973
Speaker 3: tell us what happened to Margaret in Sardajeva.

971
00:50:40,893 --> 00:50:44,653
Speaker 13: So the only time Margaret ever got shot, she was injured.

972
00:50:44,773 --> 00:50:47,253
Speaker 13: She was in the back of the van with her

973
00:50:47,293 --> 00:50:50,133
Speaker 13: colleagues and they were going to do a run of

974
00:50:50,173 --> 00:50:52,853
Speaker 13: the mill story out at the airport, and instead of

975
00:50:52,893 --> 00:50:58,213
Speaker 13: going around the tortuous back ways, somebody insisted that the

976
00:50:58,293 --> 00:51:03,653
Speaker 13: driver goes straight down sniper Alley. And they must have

977
00:51:03,773 --> 00:51:06,213
Speaker 13: sort of cringed. But you just grin and bear it.

978
00:51:06,253 --> 00:51:08,733
Speaker 13: You just get on with your job. You know, it's

979
00:51:08,733 --> 00:51:13,333
Speaker 13: not her place to say these things. Anyway, she just

980
00:51:13,373 --> 00:51:15,373
Speaker 13: happened to be the unlucky person in the back of

981
00:51:15,373 --> 00:51:21,773
Speaker 13: the van who got their face blown off. And the

982
00:51:21,773 --> 00:51:24,693
Speaker 13: man who made that decision it kind of ruined his life.

983
00:51:24,853 --> 00:51:26,373
Speaker 13: He never forgave himself.

984
00:51:27,013 --> 00:51:30,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was really touch and go, right, Like,

985
00:51:30,533 --> 00:51:32,653
Speaker 3: they get her out of there, they rush her off.

986
00:51:32,853 --> 00:51:35,813
Speaker 3: She's flying to the US for treatment, still super super

987
00:51:35,813 --> 00:51:38,973
Speaker 3: touch and go. And then she has that amazing line

988
00:51:39,093 --> 00:51:42,093
Speaker 3: where she says she wants to return to Sudajovo so

989
00:51:42,173 --> 00:51:43,853
Speaker 3: that she can collect her teeth.

990
00:51:44,573 --> 00:51:47,413
Speaker 13: Wanted to find her teeth, And Jack, did you know

991
00:51:47,493 --> 00:51:51,213
Speaker 13: that I found her teeth? What found her teeth?

992
00:51:51,533 --> 00:51:52,893
Speaker 3: Where were her teeth?

993
00:51:53,973 --> 00:51:59,653
Speaker 13: In the back of the driver's head. A cushion of

994
00:51:59,693 --> 00:52:03,133
Speaker 13: the bullet was so extreme that it shattered all her teeth,

995
00:52:03,493 --> 00:52:05,653
Speaker 13: and all the shards ended up in the back of

996
00:52:05,693 --> 00:52:08,613
Speaker 13: his teeth or minute of them. And for years he

997
00:52:08,653 --> 00:52:10,773
Speaker 13: would be in the shower'd be sort of washing his

998
00:52:10,853 --> 00:52:13,813
Speaker 13: head and go, what's that little trickle thing? And it

999
00:52:13,853 --> 00:52:16,813
Speaker 13: will think out onto the tiles. And I tried to

1000
00:52:16,813 --> 00:52:18,413
Speaker 13: put it in the film, but the New zeal Film

1001
00:52:18,453 --> 00:52:21,293
Speaker 13: commissioner was like, oh, everybody begged me not to because

1002
00:52:21,293 --> 00:52:24,413
Speaker 13: it seemed disrespectful. I was like, Margaret Warld'll love.

1003
00:52:24,253 --> 00:52:28,253
Speaker 17: It, Yeah, she would, I love it, But to be honest,

1004
00:52:28,293 --> 00:52:32,533
Speaker 17: it didn't totally fit anywhere in the in the film,

1005
00:52:32,613 --> 00:52:34,933
Speaker 17: so it got lost.

1006
00:52:34,973 --> 00:52:38,053
Speaker 13: But it's an interesting little water cooler moment I would

1007
00:52:38,053 --> 00:52:39,013
Speaker 13: have liked to include.

1008
00:52:39,253 --> 00:52:42,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. So how did you feel at the

1009
00:52:42,173 --> 00:52:44,333
Speaker 3: end of it about the directing process? This is something

1010
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:45,573
Speaker 3: you would like to do a bit more.

1011
00:52:46,613 --> 00:52:50,413
Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm like totally hooked now. I don't know why

1012
00:52:50,493 --> 00:52:52,733
Speaker 13: I didn't do it in the last thirty years when

1013
00:52:52,773 --> 00:52:54,973
Speaker 13: I could have. I've been offered the chance many times

1014
00:52:55,013 --> 00:52:57,453
Speaker 13: and I just always found it such a rotten job.

1015
00:52:58,733 --> 00:53:05,693
Speaker 13: But now that I've directed a little independent documentary style film,

1016
00:53:06,933 --> 00:53:09,493
Speaker 13: I'm now hungry to do it again, probably a narrative

1017
00:53:09,533 --> 00:53:11,933
Speaker 13: one of the actors this time, since that's really what

1018
00:53:12,013 --> 00:53:15,933
Speaker 13: I understand best. So I'm working on a number of scripts,

1019
00:53:15,933 --> 00:53:18,093
Speaker 13: and you know, I've got to go and try to

1020
00:53:18,093 --> 00:53:21,253
Speaker 13: get funded somewhere in the world. And yeah, I'm just

1021
00:53:21,333 --> 00:53:23,173
Speaker 13: hustling like everybody else.

1022
00:53:23,373 --> 00:53:26,613
Speaker 3: It's good. Well, I mean, for a first crackt director,

1023
00:53:26,813 --> 00:53:29,613
Speaker 3: you did such a good job, especially directing into the documentary.

1024
00:53:29,613 --> 00:53:32,213
Speaker 3: You did such a good job. You really, I just

1025
00:53:32,573 --> 00:53:34,853
Speaker 3: I think you did. If you were aspiring to bring

1026
00:53:34,853 --> 00:53:37,133
Speaker 3: Margaret home with the story, I think you more than

1027
00:53:37,173 --> 00:53:37,693
Speaker 3: achieved that.

1028
00:53:37,733 --> 00:53:40,133
Speaker 13: So can go to great thank you. That's and I

1029
00:53:40,173 --> 00:53:42,413
Speaker 13: will say I had help. You know, I had great colleagues,

1030
00:53:42,453 --> 00:53:47,493
Speaker 13: so it definitely is a team effort. But thank you

1031
00:53:47,693 --> 00:53:49,933
Speaker 13: on behalf of all of us where we're proud of that.

1032
00:53:50,133 --> 00:53:50,573
Speaker 13: Thank you.

1033
00:53:51,053 --> 00:53:53,893
Speaker 3: We appreciate your time. That is Lucy Lawless, the director

1034
00:53:54,413 --> 00:53:57,573
Speaker 3: of the new documentary Never Look Away about Key Wee

1035
00:53:57,773 --> 00:54:00,893
Speaker 3: camera woman Margaret Moth now Never Look Away, as premiering

1036
00:54:00,933 --> 00:54:04,173
Speaker 3: tonight eight thirty pm on the rialto channel and it

1037
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Speaker 3: has encore screenings throughout March and April. All of the

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Speaker 3: details are at rialto channel, dot co, dot enz. Before

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Speaker 3: eleven o'clock on News Talk ZEDB Well, it seemed like

1040
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Speaker 3: it was only going to be a matter of time.

1041
00:54:17,693 --> 00:54:21,373
Speaker 3: Apple talked a massive game about the capacity for AI.

1042
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Speaker 3: That's not artificial intelligence, it's Apple Intelligence. When they were

1043
00:54:25,893 --> 00:54:28,093
Speaker 3: selling their last iPhone, they said it could do all

1044
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Speaker 3: sorts of amazing new things with an Apple Intelligence powered Siri.

1045
00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:37,853
Speaker 3: But it turns out it can't, So bring on the lawsuits.

1046
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Speaker 3: Our Textbert has all the details for you very shortly.

1047
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Speaker 3: Next up your screen time picks for this weekend. If

1048
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Speaker 3: you're looking for a good series to watch your stream

1049
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Speaker 3: at home. Right now, it's twenty two minutes past ten.

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Speaker 1: Start your weekend off in style. Saturday Mornings with Jack

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Speaker 3: Jack says Adam. I've heard of Margaret Moth before, but

1054
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Speaker 3: fantastic to hear a little bit of detail from Lucy Lawless.

1055
00:55:04,373 --> 00:55:07,333
Speaker 3: Really looking forward to seeing that for Never look Away.

1056
00:55:07,453 --> 00:55:10,613
Speaker 3: Eight thirty tonight on Rialto is the debut screening, and

1057
00:55:10,653 --> 00:55:11,773
Speaker 3: like I say, there are going to be a few

1058
00:55:11,773 --> 00:55:14,253
Speaker 3: more screenings over the next few weeks. We're gonna have

1059
00:55:14,293 --> 00:55:16,213
Speaker 3: all the details on the News Talks. He'd be website

1060
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Speaker 3: if you want to watch it as well. It is

1061
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Speaker 3: screen time time on News Talks. He'd be tar Awards

1062
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Speaker 3: here as she is this time every Saturday with her

1063
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Speaker 3: screen time picks for this week. Calvatara gotta jack. Okay,

1064
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Speaker 3: let's be give With a new show streaming on Netflix,

1065
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Speaker 3: tell us about the Residents.

1066
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Speaker 18: Yeah, this is a quirky new American drama that's been

1067
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Speaker 18: produced by Shonda Rimes, who, of course is a powerhouse

1068
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Speaker 18: in American television. She's made shows like Gray's Anatomy and

1069
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Speaker 18: Scandal and Bridgeton and this time she's venturing into comedy

1070
00:55:45,573 --> 00:55:48,173
Speaker 18: with this new murder mystery called The Residence, which is

1071
00:55:48,253 --> 00:55:51,933
Speaker 18: inspired by a book about the behind the scenes private

1072
00:55:51,973 --> 00:55:54,773
Speaker 18: world of the White House, and it's about a murder

1073
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Speaker 18: that takes place in the White House on the night

1074
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Speaker 18: of a state dinner with the Australian Prime Minister.

1075
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Speaker 12: The White House.

1076
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Speaker 18: Chief Usher is discovered dead and it becomes a who

1077
00:56:04,573 --> 00:56:07,213
Speaker 18: done it? In a building film with lots of different

1078
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Speaker 18: floors and rooms and hundreds of staff who all have

1079
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Speaker 18: very different and unusual roles in the White House, and

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Speaker 18: it's taking us behind the facade and capturing all the

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Speaker 18: politics behind the politics. And Uzo Aduba plays Cordelia Kupp,

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Speaker 18: who is this wonderfully unorthodox detective who's in charge of

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00:56:25,453 --> 00:56:29,653
Speaker 18: the investigation. She has some very quirky ways of narrowing

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Speaker 18: down the suspects. And the show feels a bit like

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00:56:32,093 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 18: Knives Out. It's satirical, it's very stylish. It jumps back

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00:56:35,493 --> 00:56:37,853
Speaker 18: and forward in time. It does take a bit of

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Speaker 18: time to find its feet, and it's at its best

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Speaker 18: when Cordelia cup is on the screen. But you know,

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Speaker 18: very light and entertaining and a very easy watch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, cool, Okay, That's the Residence is on Netflix,

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Speaker 3: on Disney Plus. Good American Family.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: This is a new drama series that stars Alan Pompeo

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00:56:56,133 --> 00:56:59,253
Speaker 18: and Mark du Plas, and it's based on a very

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00:56:59,253 --> 00:57:03,973
Speaker 18: strange real life story about an American family who adopted

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Speaker 18: a young girl in twenty ten who had a form

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Speaker 18: of Dwarfism, and the family later claimed that the child,

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Speaker 18: Natalia Grace, was actually an adult who was trying to

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Speaker 18: scam them, And it's a story that's gone through the

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Speaker 18: tabloids and been through the courts and had documentaries made

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00:57:18,293 --> 00:57:21,173
Speaker 18: about it already. But this drama tells the story of

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Speaker 18: the adoption and what happens afterwards a little bit differently.

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00:57:24,933 --> 00:57:28,373
Speaker 18: The first four episodes tell it from the parents perspective,

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00:57:28,453 --> 00:57:31,213
Speaker 18: and then halfway through it switches and it tells it

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Speaker 18: again from the daughter's viewpoint. So it's trying to challenge

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Speaker 18: everything you think you know about the story and make

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00:57:37,213 --> 00:57:39,893
Speaker 18: your question who is really telling the truth here and

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Speaker 18: who you can rely on. I mean, it's quite a

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00:57:43,613 --> 00:57:45,893
Speaker 18: tragic case no matter which way you look at it.

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Speaker 18: I found this quite an uncomfortable watch. And the show

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00:57:49,093 --> 00:57:52,733
Speaker 18: starts with this huge legal disclaimer, so you know this

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Speaker 18: isn't going to be straightforward. But the tone of this

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00:57:55,733 --> 00:57:58,733
Speaker 18: is quite uneasy, like something is on edge the whole

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Speaker 18: way through, and that's quite deliberate, but it's quite heavy handed.

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00:58:01,413 --> 00:58:05,013
Speaker 18: It's almost sort of verging into horror territory. So not

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00:58:05,053 --> 00:58:08,573
Speaker 18: for everyone, perhaps, but a show for people who who

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00:58:08,813 --> 00:58:11,613
Speaker 18: like an unusual true crime drama or have already been

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00:58:11,653 --> 00:58:14,093
Speaker 18: following this story and watched all the documentaries and things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, sounds curious. It's always interesting when you start

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Speaker 3: a show and the big legal disklimber at the top.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, a lot going on behind that saying.

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Speaker 3: Nothing was like that as well. I remember that. It

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Speaker 3: was like yeah, yeah, yeah, note to self. Okay, last,

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00:58:28,973 --> 00:58:32,373
Speaker 3: but not least on Neon, tell us about The Leftovers.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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00:58:33,093 --> 00:58:36,053
Speaker 18: The Leftovers is an HBO series that first came out

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00:58:36,093 --> 00:58:38,893
Speaker 18: in twenty fourteen, but all three seasons have just landed

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00:58:38,933 --> 00:58:41,413
Speaker 18: on Neon. And if you're in the mood this weekend

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Speaker 18: to binge watch something that's gritty and dystopian and a

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00:58:44,893 --> 00:58:48,013
Speaker 18: bit supernatural, This is definitely worth a look. It's set

1131
00:58:48,133 --> 00:58:51,973
Speaker 18: three years after an unexplained event called the Sudden Departure,

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00:58:52,093 --> 00:58:55,653
Speaker 18: where two percent of the population around the world have

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00:58:55,773 --> 00:59:00,053
Speaker 18: mysteriously disappeared, and it's about a community of people in

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Speaker 18: New York who are trying to adjust to this new

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Speaker 18: reality and work out what actually happened. And you know,

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00:59:06,053 --> 00:59:08,933
Speaker 18: lots of religious cults of forming that the power balances

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00:59:08,973 --> 00:59:11,973
Speaker 18: are pretty pretty unstable and society is pretty fragile. So

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00:59:12,693 --> 00:59:14,933
Speaker 18: it's it's quite dystopian and a bit grim, but it

1139
00:59:14,973 --> 00:59:18,293
Speaker 18: does have this amazing all star cast justin throw stars

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00:59:18,293 --> 00:59:20,733
Speaker 18: in this as the local police chief. It's also got

1141
00:59:20,813 --> 00:59:25,133
Speaker 18: Carrie Kerhn, Liv Tyler, Christopher Eckerston, Margaret Qually, Regina King.

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00:59:25,573 --> 00:59:28,133
Speaker 18: Just this really impressive cast and it was created by

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00:59:28,213 --> 00:59:31,373
Speaker 18: Damon Lindeloff, who was the showrunner of Lost. And it

1144
00:59:31,413 --> 00:59:34,813
Speaker 18: has that similar surreal you know, it's a little bit

1145
00:59:34,853 --> 00:59:37,173
Speaker 18: confusing vibe of loss. You're not quite sure where you

1146
00:59:37,253 --> 00:59:39,613
Speaker 18: are the whole time. So if you like Lost, or

1147
00:59:39,653 --> 00:59:41,693
Speaker 18: you like shows like The Last of Us or from

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Speaker 18: I think you're like.

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Speaker 4: This as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but have you watched it the whole way through? Like,

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00:59:45,093 --> 00:59:46,253
Speaker 3: can you tell us that it's going to have a

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00:59:46,293 --> 00:59:48,013
Speaker 3: slightly more satisfying finish than.

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Speaker 18: Most I can't guarantee it, okay, you know, yeah, I

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00:59:53,493 --> 00:59:58,173
Speaker 18: don't know answers, Yeah, exactly. That's the journey you'll go on.

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Speaker 3: Very good. Okay, Hey, thank you so much, really appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time. As always, we'll put all of those screen

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Speaker 3: time picks from Tara up on the news Talks. He'd

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Speaker 3: b website those shows once again. The Residence is on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Good American Family is the one with the legal disclaimer

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01:00:11,133 --> 01:00:15,613
Speaker 3: that's streaming on Disney Plus, and The Leftovers is on neon.

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Speaker 2: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks A B.

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Speaker 19: You Come, Come Me, got the Light of the Sky,

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Speaker 19: she come be your side and go Johnie and.

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Speaker 20: How you laying.

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Something a little bit different Pree Saturday Morning. We like

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01:00:53,693 --> 01:00:56,253
Speaker 3: to mix things up, you know how it is. This

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01:00:56,373 --> 01:00:58,973
Speaker 3: is k pop. Obviously, k pop or Korean pop has

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01:00:59,013 --> 01:01:01,333
Speaker 3: taken the world by storm in the last decade or so.

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Speaker 3: And Black Pink, who are the artists behind this song,

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Speaker 3: are a Korean girl group who are just like an

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Speaker 3: absolute kind of super nova when it comes to k

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Speaker 3: pop supergroups. Their music emphasizes maximalism, pandemodium, but when they

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Speaker 3: shifted their focus to Western audiences, it kind of changed

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Speaker 3: the music they were producing because you know that the

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Speaker 3: American pop music is a lot more kind of stylistically

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Speaker 3: conservative than some of the music and Korea. Because of that,

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Speaker 3: Black Pink ended up taking a bit of a break.

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Speaker 3: There are four members and in their time of part

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Speaker 3: they have all released solo albums. The last member of

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Speaker 3: Black Pink to do that is Jenny. Jenny has been

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Speaker 3: called one of the most famous and influential K pop

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Speaker 3: stars of her generation. No biggie, but also no shame

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01:01:48,093 --> 01:01:49,733
Speaker 3: if you haven't heard of her. We're going to make

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01:01:49,733 --> 01:01:51,333
Speaker 3: sure you know who she is by the end of

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01:01:51,373 --> 01:01:53,813
Speaker 3: the show though a lot of people wanted to hear

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Speaker 3: how she's made the transition from Black Pink member to

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Speaker 3: solo artists. So before midday, we're going to listen to

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Speaker 3: her debut album. The album's called Ruby, so we're going

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Speaker 3: to pick out a couple of songs and get our

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Speaker 3: music reviewers thoughts on that as well. Before eleven o'clock

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01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:12,093
Speaker 3: we're in the garden. Plus, our money guy has tips

1194
01:02:12,093 --> 01:02:15,733
Speaker 3: on alternatives for trying to time the market and buying

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01:02:15,733 --> 01:02:17,653
Speaker 3: the bottom of the market. He's got some really useful

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01:02:17,693 --> 01:02:20,213
Speaker 3: alternatives to that. Next up our texperts, and it's twenty

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Speaker 3: five to eleven Non News dog zby.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 21: We're out of recession Q four zero point seven? Are

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Speaker 21: we on our way? The Finance Minister Nikola Willis Wells,

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01:02:34,533 --> 01:02:37,533
Speaker 21: does the zero point seven on GDP give you hope

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01:02:37,653 --> 01:02:40,453
Speaker 21: that the tail of the jobs which legs of course

1203
01:02:40,613 --> 01:02:42,653
Speaker 21: might end a little bit or peak a little bit

1204
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Speaker 21: sooner than we thought or it is what it is.

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Speaker 20: Well, we have seen the forecasts for unemployment coming off

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01:02:47,693 --> 01:02:50,973
Speaker 20: a little bit since we came to government. As you've seen,

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Speaker 20: employment is the last thing to recover when an economy

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Speaker 20: goes through a Timelin New Zealand hairs. The forecasts are

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Speaker 20: that will peak halfway through the year and then it's

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Speaker 20: going to keep beisa in the second half of the year.

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Speaker 20: That's consistent with what I'm seeing in the economy.

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Speaker 21: Back Monday from six am, casking Breakfast with the Rain,

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Speaker 21: drove of the last news talk.

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Speaker 3: ZB twenty two to eleven non newstalk ZBAT was only

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Speaker 3: a matter of time this time last week, in fact,

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Speaker 3: I was asking our textbert Paul Stenhouse about Apple Intelligence,

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01:03:19,333 --> 01:03:23,213
Speaker 3: Apple's much much hyped new technology that it turns out

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01:03:24,013 --> 01:03:26,173
Speaker 3: does not live up to the hype, at least not yet.

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Speaker 3: So yes, the lawsuits have begun. Paul's with us again

1220
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Speaker 3: this morning. This was no great surprise, Paul.

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Speaker 7: No good.

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Speaker 22: We're so ahead of the times on the on the

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Speaker 22: Saturday mornings ZEB show, aren't we, Jack, This is where

1224
01:03:37,133 --> 01:03:39,213
Speaker 22: you come for breaking news and real analysis.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, we called it right because.

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Speaker 22: As we've both experienced, you look at these new iPhones

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Speaker 22: and you say, it's supposed to do all this really

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01:03:47,693 --> 01:03:50,773
Speaker 22: amazing stuff, and you hear Apple, and I think as well.

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Speaker 22: Apple over the years has built up such a reputation

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Speaker 22: of trust that when they say that they're going to

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Speaker 22: do something, as this lawsuit kind of mentions, you really

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01:03:59,613 --> 01:04:02,613
Speaker 22: do expect that they're going to come through on it, right.

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Speaker 4: You have a real belief.

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Speaker 22: That the thing that you thought you were going to

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Speaker 22: be able to do, you're going to be able to do.

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01:04:07,493 --> 01:04:09,933
Speaker 22: And well you kind of can't.

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Speaker 3: And so, yeah, there's been a.

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Speaker 22: Lawsuit over here taken up by a law firm where

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Speaker 22: are really trying to start a class action lawsuit on

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Speaker 22: behalf of all of the iPhone sixteen owners. And really

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01:04:23,453 --> 01:04:26,013
Speaker 22: at the center of it is one ad in particular

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Speaker 22: that shows Bella Ramsey. Now you may know the Ramsey name,

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01:04:29,253 --> 01:04:31,733
Speaker 22: Gordon Ramsey's daughter. She's in Game of Thrones and The

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01:04:31,813 --> 01:04:33,733
Speaker 22: Last of Us. She's in one of these new ads

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Speaker 22: that was showing Siri basically being able to pull up

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Speaker 22: the details of someone based on you know, very personal

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Speaker 22: information that was in your.

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Speaker 15: Messages and in your calendar.

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Speaker 22: Surri can't do that, and it's probably going to be

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01:04:46,533 --> 01:04:49,093
Speaker 22: quite some time before Siri can do that. And that

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Speaker 22: is now this one ad is now the basis of

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Speaker 22: this lawsuit in federal court.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing because Apple is just like I think we

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01:04:56,133 --> 01:04:58,933
Speaker 3: said last week, it's not like Apple to kind of

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Speaker 3: I mean to advertise technology that they don't actually have,

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Speaker 3: you know, to kind of oversell under delivery. Yeah, really

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Speaker 3: rare for them.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 22: They usually they usually will talk about things and then

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Speaker 22: actually it's like it always says that in.

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Speaker 3: The next release of iOS, yeah, you'll be able.

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Speaker 22: To do this, or when you get the next nighte Phone,

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Speaker 22: you'll be able to do something. And I honestly think

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Speaker 22: that that that kind of precedent that they have and

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Speaker 22: that trust they have will probably be a really big

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Speaker 22: part of the suit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Hey, TikTok has removed

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Speaker 3: its chubby filter.

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Speaker 22: I know this is you know, usually these filters are fun, right,

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Speaker 22: These filters are usually you you know, they put some

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Speaker 22: silly makeup on you or some glam or they have

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Speaker 22: some vintage effects, or they put.

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Speaker 3: You in the ocean. They're kind of fun.

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Speaker 22: This filter here was well a little interesting jacket added

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Speaker 22: a few pounds to you. So you put the filter

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Speaker 22: on of you, or you uploaded a photo, so I

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Speaker 22: guess it could be your view or a friend or

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Speaker 22: an enemy, I guess, And you know, it kind of

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Speaker 22: led you into believing what maybe you could look like

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Speaker 22: if you had, you know, a few too many snacks.

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Speaker 22: And while people started posting there before and after pictures,

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Speaker 22: and I think this is where it got me. People

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Speaker 22: started posting that They're like, I actually don't look too

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Speaker 22: bad chubby, you know, and then they didn't go down

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Speaker 22: well with some Well, TikTok has now said they have

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Speaker 22: removed the filter. It was actually created by one of

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Speaker 22: their sis the companies as part of the kind of

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Speaker 22: bite dance whole family.

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Speaker 3: But they've removed this filter.

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Speaker 22: TikTok's not going to be recommending these videos in the algorithm,

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Speaker 22: and the chubby filter is no more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and finally, Paul Google says news is basically worthless

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Speaker 3: to their ad business.

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Speaker 22: I know, did this did you get a slight dagger

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Speaker 22: to the heart the other.

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Speaker 3: It's only about the three thousandth this year. I don't worry.

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Speaker 22: You probably get this yelled at you in the streets.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 22: So Google ran an experiment where in eight European countries,

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Speaker 22: they took away all of the news results for one

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Speaker 22: percent of the audience. They did it for two and

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Speaker 22: a half months, and the result was basically, they saw

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Speaker 22: no impact at all. In fact, their press release was

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Speaker 22: I think kind of brutal. It said that could not

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Speaker 22: quote be statistically distinguished.

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Speaker 3: From zero ouch.

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Speaker 22: So in the EU, Google has to pay news publishers

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Speaker 22: to use snippets of their content. And when they go

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Speaker 22: into the next negotiation, I mean, they're kind of going

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Speaker 22: to have the other hand because if they're saying that

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Speaker 22: their ad business the thing that basically.

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Speaker 3: Powers Google search, right for Google.

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Speaker 22: Anyway, right, that's the thing that runs the whole business

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Speaker 22: selling the ads at the top. If you can turn

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Speaker 22: off all of the news content and it doesn't change

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Speaker 22: anything to do with the Google Ads business, it doesn't

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Speaker 22: look good for those publishers. And Google even said in

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Speaker 22: their press release that, hey, publishers, they think may be

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Speaker 22: slightly overvaluing the you know, their product.

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Speaker 15: Of course, this is just one metric.

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Speaker 22: You could have a very good argument that hey, maybe

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Speaker 22: for the Google brand or maybe for the good of society,

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Speaker 22: maybe the news should probably still be in those search results.

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Speaker 22: But hey, when it comes to the actual business metrics. Statistically,

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Speaker 22: they couldn't distinguish it from zero.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's brutal, it is. Thanks Paul, our texpert,

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Speaker 3: Paul Stanhouse. Then seventeen to eleven on Newstalk ZB we're

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Speaker 3: talking money next.

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Speaker 2: No bitter way to kick off your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tam and vp

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Speaker 1: it on code Z for high quality Supplements used talks

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Speaker 1: eNB quarter.

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Speaker 3: To eleven on Newstalk zedb Ed mcnight from Obi's Partners

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Speaker 3: is here with us this morning. We're talking money ed

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Speaker 3: and an alternative to trying to time the market, because

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Speaker 3: buying at the bottom of the market is all well

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Speaker 3: and good in principle, but of course timing the market

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Speaker 3: is nigh impossible, and you've got a better option dollar

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Speaker 3: cost averaging. So yeah, why is this better than trying

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Speaker 3: to time the market? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 23: I suppose us key Wes have this obsession about trying

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Speaker 23: to invest at the absolute lowest point in the market.

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Speaker 23: And I think implicit in that is this idea that

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Speaker 23: buying at the bottom of the market gives you the

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Speaker 23: lowest price.

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Speaker 2: But that's not always true.

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Speaker 23: And I remember reading an example from a great book,

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Speaker 23: Girls That invest Who was written by a friend of mine,

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Speaker 23: some Curve, and she gave this awesome example about, well,

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Speaker 23: what if you started forty years ago and you put

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Speaker 23: two hundred dollars a month into investments, but you jack

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Speaker 23: in this case, you're a market timing genius and you're

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Speaker 23: able to perfectly predict the bottom of the market. So

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Speaker 23: you start forty years ago, you put your two hundred

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Speaker 23: dollars a week away, and you save it. You save

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Speaker 23: it the next month as well, you save it the

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Speaker 23: next month as well, and as soon as the market crashes,

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Speaker 23: your pile and your money, and you keep doing this

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Speaker 23: for forty years. Well, after forty years you would have

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Speaker 23: made about nine hundred and fifty grand, which is a

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Speaker 23: great great nest egg. You'd be very happy with that

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Speaker 23: over forty years shows you the power of compounding interest.

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Speaker 23: But Leeds say, in said forty years ago, you said, Okay,

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Speaker 23: I've got my two hundred dollars a month, but I'm

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Speaker 23: just going to put it into investments and shares, and

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Speaker 23: I'm not going to care whether the markets aren't the

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Speaker 23: markets down, I'm just going to do it. Well, blow

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Speaker 23: me down, you forty years later would have just under

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Speaker 23: one point four million dollars in the bank. And I thought,

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Speaker 23: this is fascinating. So why does this happen. Well, it's

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Speaker 23: because share markets and all asset markets tend to increase

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Speaker 23: in value over time. And so I'll give you an

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Speaker 23: example that'll make that a little bit clearer. The bottom

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Speaker 23: of the market for the S and P five hundred,

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Speaker 23: they had a bit of a dip September twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 23: There was a bottom of the market. But if you

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Speaker 23: invested into an index tracking fund at any time before

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Speaker 23: March twenty twenty one, you would have had a cheaper price. Right,

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Speaker 23: I'll give you another example. Market bottom down S and

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Speaker 23: P five hundred again, March twenty twenty COVID lockdowns. But

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Speaker 23: if you'd invested in an index tracking fund any time

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Speaker 23: before September twenty seventeen, you would have got in at

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Speaker 23: a cheaper price. And so what sometimes people think markets

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Speaker 23: do is they start at ten dollars, they go to

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Speaker 23: twenty dollars, they go to ten dollars, they go to

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Speaker 23: twenty dollars. But that's not how it works. All types

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Speaker 23: of assets tend to increase in value over time. And

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Speaker 23: so often the you get in, the cheaper price you'll

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Speaker 23: get and often lower than the bottom of the market.

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Speaker 23: I've got one more example for you, just in terms

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Speaker 23: of property prices as well. So again I work with

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Speaker 23: investors a lot. They all want to buy at the

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01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:23,053
Speaker 23: bottom of the market. Well, the bottom of the market

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Speaker 23: in Auckland was twenty twenty four. But again, if you

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Speaker 23: had purchased an investment property or any sort of property

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Speaker 23: at any time before September twenty twenty, you would have

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Speaker 23: bought at the lower price. December two thousand and eight

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Speaker 23: there was a crash again because of the GFC, but

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Speaker 23: if you had bought it any time before January two

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Speaker 23: thousand and six, you would have got in again at

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Speaker 23: a lower price. And so I just want to challenge

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Speaker 23: Kiwis to think, Hey, it's not always about trying to

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Speaker 23: time the market perfectly, because you probably can't do that anyway,

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Speaker 23: But it's about continuously investing through the ups and through

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Speaker 23: the downs, and often you'll come out better than just

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Speaker 23: even if you were able to time that market perfectly.

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Speaker 3: I think it's you have to sort of almost break

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Speaker 3: with the kind of intuition, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you have to, Like it's a classic like using logic

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Speaker 3: and rational thinking to kind of, yeah, to override what

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Speaker 3: your natural impulses might be.

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Speaker 23: I think it's just about resetting our expectations around. Well, yes,

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Speaker 23: we do want to get the lowest price possible so

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Speaker 23: we can make them both the best gains possible. But

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Speaker 23: it's just well, what's going to do that for us?

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01:12:33,573 --> 01:12:35,813
Speaker 23: Is it going to be trying to time the market

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Speaker 23: perfectly or is it realizing we can't do that and

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Speaker 23: actually the better returns come in by getting into the

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Speaker 23: market sooner. And I think we all do this anyway

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Speaker 23: with our Kiwi Savers. Yea, even if there's a market crash.

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Speaker 23: It's not like we all go and say, right, let

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Speaker 23: me raise my contributions now I want to put more

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Speaker 23: into Kiwi Saver. We just keep doing our three percent

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Speaker 23: to our four percent every single week, month, fortnite. However,

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Speaker 23: often we get paid and one day you open up

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Speaker 23: your bank cap and you're really surprised at actually whether

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Speaker 23: the market was up or whether the market was down.

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Speaker 23: I actually did okay out of us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it also means you can kind of save yourself

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01:13:09,173 --> 01:13:12,413
Speaker 3: the anxiety that comes with the volatility especially with the

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Speaker 3: stop market like it is right now, right up and

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Speaker 3: down and up and down, and the president who can

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01:13:16,213 --> 01:13:19,253
Speaker 3: tweet out something and things change in a moment. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can save yourself all of that anxiety by just

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Speaker 3: trying to form a habit. We're by you dollar cost

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Speaker 3: average over time. Thank you so much. Those are fascinating

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Speaker 3: examples and we really appreciate it. That's eveningnight from Obey's

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01:13:30,973 --> 01:13:33,133
Speaker 3: Partners with us. This morning. In a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 3: we are in the garden on news talks. He'd be

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Speaker 3: right now. It's ten to eleven, gardening.

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Speaker 1: With still shaft free autumn upgrades on Still's best sellers.

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Speaker 3: Rude Clime passes our man in the garden. He's with

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Speaker 3: us now, Hey, Rude.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Jack?

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01:13:47,293 --> 01:13:48,693
Speaker 4: Is everything all right where you are?

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01:13:48,853 --> 01:13:51,293
Speaker 3: Everything is very well? Thank you? I even managed, would

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Speaker 3: you believe? I reckon? It's seven hours of sleep last night,

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01:13:55,053 --> 01:13:59,773
Speaker 3: so you know, I know, feeling positively live and youthful

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01:13:59,893 --> 01:14:01,453
Speaker 3: and energized and.

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Speaker 4: Lovely.

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01:14:04,293 --> 01:14:09,333
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you have been well, making mates in the

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Speaker 3: garden as you always do. You've been visiting Sanctuary Mountain

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Speaker 3: in mangatotally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Have you been there?

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Speaker 3: I haven't no, but I've heard great, okay, beautiful right.

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Speaker 7: It's three thousand, four hundred hectares of habitat if you like,

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Speaker 7: and it's been made prayer to free. They've got three

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Speaker 7: caca pop. They've got fewer now because they keep on

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Speaker 7: escaping the little so and so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they climb into a tree and then they saw down.

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Speaker 7: But that's another story. We've got take the stitchbird settle

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Speaker 7: back Kaka, but they've also got two thousand or probably

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Speaker 7: more North Island brown kiwi.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: So, as a as a person who's on the Kiwi Trust,

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Speaker 7: we had our meeting there, but that's not really what

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Speaker 7: struck me.

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Speaker 4: We have meetings quite often. I mean, you know that's

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Speaker 4: not the point.

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Speaker 7: But the cold thing is, there's took you to a school,

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Speaker 7: so I'll get back to that school in a moment.

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Speaker 7: It's literally on the on the on the inside or

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Speaker 7: the outside of the of Mangato three and we visited

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Speaker 7: that as well. So this is basically a place where

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01:15:09,973 --> 01:15:12,613
Speaker 7: as a trust, we started all this time when John

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01:15:12,693 --> 01:15:16,413
Speaker 7: Key was Prime Minister to to try to change the

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Speaker 7: minus two percent decrease of kiwi in New Zealand to

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Speaker 7: a plus two percent increase, and so this became one

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Speaker 7: of the if you like, co hung out kiwi, which

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01:15:27,693 --> 01:15:30,773
Speaker 7: of course is the kiwi breeding side, if you like. Oh,

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Speaker 7: they're like like kindergarten, if you like. And John McLennan

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Speaker 7: decided that that was made in the qustice. So I decided,

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Speaker 7: this is what we're going to do. We're going to

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Speaker 7: put the heck of a lot of good kiwi in there.

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Speaker 7: We make sure they're not going to be eaten by

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Speaker 7: stoats and ferrets and all that sort of nonsense. And

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Speaker 7: then what we're going to do is when they're about

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Speaker 7: a year or so old or more than a kilo

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Speaker 7: in a bit, we're going to take them two places

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Speaker 7: where they can breed elsewhere where they can live elsewhere

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Speaker 7: Capital Kiwi, Wellington, Tongariro, Taranaki, Manga, that sort of stuff. Now, yeah,

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01:16:04,733 --> 01:16:07,933
Speaker 7: if this is a fab this is actually a world

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Speaker 7: renowned trick to look after yours, your native species.

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Speaker 4: And that is so cool. So yeah, so that's how

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Speaker 4: that went.

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Speaker 7: So lastly it was that two and twenty two or so,

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Speaker 7: and this year we're probably getting more than that.

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Speaker 4: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 7: But the birds are caught at night they're given a

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Speaker 7: tag sometimes a transponder, and they're kept in a little

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Speaker 7: guiden literally a little part of that mangatozi ready for that,

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01:16:36,253 --> 01:16:38,573
Speaker 7: so that we got laid ten twenty thirty for them

1506
01:16:38,573 --> 01:16:39,173
Speaker 7: in a bus.

1507
01:16:39,293 --> 01:16:41,733
Speaker 4: This will we drive them to wherever they need to go.

1508
01:16:42,733 --> 01:16:45,973
Speaker 4: But now comes the thing. The kids that pok you

1509
01:16:46,053 --> 01:16:47,053
Speaker 4: to a primary school.

1510
01:16:47,373 --> 01:16:49,733
Speaker 7: They see all those gar we come in because they've

1511
01:16:49,733 --> 01:16:53,933
Speaker 7: got a spare classroom which is basically a science part

1512
01:16:54,173 --> 01:16:58,773
Speaker 7: for them to totally see and record what's happening.

1513
01:16:59,173 --> 01:17:02,453
Speaker 4: How old they are. Isn't it cool? How old they are?

1514
01:17:02,533 --> 01:17:05,413
Speaker 4: So whether they're male or female, how they are, how

1515
01:17:05,533 --> 01:17:06,213
Speaker 4: is their health?

1516
01:17:06,653 --> 01:17:09,853
Speaker 7: Oh and there are ticks on their legs, oh and

1517
01:17:10,333 --> 01:17:11,173
Speaker 7: that sort of stuff.

1518
01:17:11,213 --> 01:17:12,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it.

1519
01:17:12,853 --> 01:17:17,693
Speaker 4: Is such a cool, cool thing. So these kids literally

1520
01:17:17,813 --> 01:17:21,973
Speaker 4: learn a lot about what's happening with those birds, how

1521
01:17:22,013 --> 01:17:26,173
Speaker 4: we can literally look after them, restore their numbers and

1522
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:30,973
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff. And it is this. Have

1523
01:17:31,093 --> 01:17:32,733
Speaker 4: you did you have been at primary school?

1524
01:17:33,453 --> 01:17:35,933
Speaker 3: I did, but not to that extent, never with a

1525
01:17:36,013 --> 01:17:37,533
Speaker 3: keywing like that.

1526
01:17:38,093 --> 01:17:39,933
Speaker 4: There you go, So that's what it is.

1527
01:17:39,973 --> 01:17:41,533
Speaker 7: So you can actually go and have a look there,

1528
01:17:41,653 --> 01:17:43,693
Speaker 7: and you can go and Magadogi of course, and you

1529
01:17:43,693 --> 01:17:46,653
Speaker 7: can see it all happen. But there you are it

1530
01:17:46,693 --> 01:17:48,933
Speaker 7: and I just want to say, this is it brilliant?

1531
01:17:49,013 --> 01:17:49,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do it.

1532
01:17:50,573 --> 01:17:51,973
Speaker 3: I got to say too, go I have a look

1533
01:17:51,973 --> 01:17:54,093
Speaker 3: at the photos. There are a couple of fantastic photos

1534
01:17:54,133 --> 01:17:56,773
Speaker 3: that Rude has taken and sheared that. We'll make sure

1535
01:17:56,773 --> 01:17:58,973
Speaker 3: you're available on the news. Dogs'd be websites. You can

1536
01:17:59,013 --> 01:18:00,533
Speaker 3: have a look weird too. Thank you so much, sir.

1537
01:18:00,573 --> 01:18:03,653
Speaker 3: We'll catch up again soon. It's almost eleven o'clock on Newstalks.

1538
01:18:03,693 --> 01:18:05,533
Speaker 3: He'd be.

1539
01:18:06,573 --> 01:18:09,933
Speaker 1: Mornings with Jack Tape, keeping the conversation going through the

1540
01:18:09,973 --> 01:18:14,173
Speaker 1: weekend with bepure dot cot in here for high quality supplements.

1541
01:18:14,293 --> 01:18:26,613
Speaker 2: Used talk said, be.

1542
01:18:38,373 --> 01:18:41,893
Speaker 3: Poor old Wellington. I feel like Wellington has been kind

1543
01:18:41,893 --> 01:18:46,493
Speaker 3: of unnecessarily beaten up on a little bit lately. You know,

1544
01:18:46,613 --> 01:18:48,413
Speaker 3: they used to call it the callers Little Capital. It

1545
01:18:48,453 --> 01:18:50,213
Speaker 3: was only a couple of years ago. Now everyone's saying,

1546
01:18:50,253 --> 01:18:53,173
Speaker 3: oh Wellington's dead or the CBD's struggling. Look, I'm not

1547
01:18:53,213 --> 01:18:56,293
Speaker 3: suggesting for a moment that the capital isn't going through

1548
01:18:56,333 --> 01:18:57,893
Speaker 3: a bit of a tough period. But there are still

1549
01:18:58,013 --> 01:19:01,653
Speaker 3: so many things to love about Wellington, so much good food,

1550
01:19:02,173 --> 01:19:04,413
Speaker 3: so much good coffee. Anyway, we're going to catch up

1551
01:19:04,413 --> 01:19:07,133
Speaker 3: with their travel correspondent very shortly. He agrees with me,

1552
01:19:07,173 --> 01:19:09,413
Speaker 3: he reckons there are some fantastic spots in Wellington that

1553
01:19:09,453 --> 01:19:11,693
Speaker 3: are being kind of overlooked in some of the commentary.

1554
01:19:11,693 --> 01:19:14,013
Speaker 3: At the moment, he's going to give us his top tips,

1555
01:19:14,053 --> 01:19:17,213
Speaker 3: bites and sights in Wellington. Then before midday we're going

1556
01:19:17,253 --> 01:19:20,133
Speaker 3: to play some of this new album by the artist Jenny.

1557
01:19:20,653 --> 01:19:23,453
Speaker 3: Jenny is a part of Blackpink, which is one of

1558
01:19:23,493 --> 01:19:26,813
Speaker 3: the biggest K pop bands of the last few years.

1559
01:19:27,013 --> 01:19:29,093
Speaker 3: They've gone on a bit of a group hiatus and

1560
01:19:29,133 --> 01:19:30,533
Speaker 3: all of the members of the group have gone out

1561
01:19:30,573 --> 01:19:32,973
Speaker 3: and recorded their own solo album. So she's just released

1562
01:19:32,973 --> 01:19:36,093
Speaker 3: her album. It's been really really keenly anticipated and even

1563
01:19:36,093 --> 01:19:37,933
Speaker 3: if you haven't listened to much K pop before, I

1564
01:19:37,933 --> 01:19:39,573
Speaker 3: think there's good reason to have a bit of a

1565
01:19:39,613 --> 01:19:41,333
Speaker 3: listen to some of the music on this album. We'll

1566
01:19:41,333 --> 01:19:43,773
Speaker 3: get our music reviews thoughts on that very shortly as well.

1567
01:19:44,053 --> 01:19:46,053
Speaker 3: Right now it is eight minutes past eleven, though, in

1568
01:19:46,133 --> 01:19:49,533
Speaker 3: time to catch up with our sustainability commentator Kate Hall

1569
01:19:49,653 --> 01:19:52,733
Speaker 3: aka ethically Kate, who's with us this morning, killed her

1570
01:19:53,693 --> 01:19:55,773
Speaker 3: well did that. He's going very good. Thank you. This

1571
01:19:55,893 --> 01:19:58,653
Speaker 3: morning you were with us with some really simple practical

1572
01:19:58,653 --> 01:20:02,333
Speaker 3: tips on how to ask brands about the ethical and

1573
01:20:02,373 --> 01:20:04,773
Speaker 3: sustainable practices. Why does this matter?

1574
01:20:06,453 --> 01:20:09,813
Speaker 24: I think as consumers we get very passive and we think, oh,

1575
01:20:09,893 --> 01:20:11,613
Speaker 24: you know, a brand's not going to reply to us,

1576
01:20:11,813 --> 01:20:14,293
Speaker 24: or you know, what does my kind of opinion matter?

1577
01:20:14,453 --> 01:20:15,573
Speaker 15: And can you know what?

1578
01:20:15,653 --> 01:20:19,213
Speaker 24: Can I ask brands about the supply chains and and

1579
01:20:19,253 --> 01:20:21,893
Speaker 24: things like that, And it's important that we do ask

1580
01:20:22,053 --> 01:20:26,213
Speaker 24: and realize actually, we can be active consumers and active

1581
01:20:26,253 --> 01:20:28,853
Speaker 24: and our purchasing decisions. And we need to be because

1582
01:20:28,853 --> 01:20:30,933
Speaker 24: we need to make sure that the people who are

1583
01:20:30,933 --> 01:20:34,653
Speaker 24: making our products are paid fairly. That knowing what things

1584
01:20:34,653 --> 01:20:36,933
Speaker 24: are made with so we can care for them, you know,

1585
01:20:37,253 --> 01:20:39,893
Speaker 24: as best as we can. Yeah, it's important that we

1586
01:20:39,973 --> 01:20:43,053
Speaker 24: become far more active in our consumption rather than just

1587
01:20:43,133 --> 01:20:46,173
Speaker 24: mindlessly grabbing it and not thinking about its whole life

1588
01:20:46,213 --> 01:20:47,493
Speaker 24: cycle or who made it.

1589
01:20:47,693 --> 01:20:47,933
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1590
01:20:48,013 --> 01:20:51,173
Speaker 3: Nice. Okay, So you've got some simple questions where you

1591
01:20:51,253 --> 01:20:53,173
Speaker 3: can go and ask a brand or ask someone a

1592
01:20:53,213 --> 01:20:56,053
Speaker 3: representative of the brand what they've done. And you've kind

1593
01:20:56,053 --> 01:20:58,413
Speaker 3: of crafted these over the last few years. So what

1594
01:20:58,413 --> 01:21:00,773
Speaker 3: would be your advice to listeners when they're when they're

1595
01:21:00,813 --> 01:21:02,773
Speaker 3: asking these questions of brands, if they want to know

1596
01:21:02,813 --> 01:21:05,573
Speaker 3: about a brand's kind of sustainability creeds.

1597
01:21:06,733 --> 01:21:06,973
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1598
01:21:07,013 --> 01:21:09,413
Speaker 24: So I've worked on this list for probably actually the

1599
01:21:09,493 --> 01:21:13,013
Speaker 24: last nine years, and I've I've tried. Obviously, I have

1600
01:21:13,653 --> 01:21:16,173
Speaker 24: the privilege of this being my job and being able

1601
01:21:16,213 --> 01:21:19,973
Speaker 24: to ask all these questions to brands, and I've crafted

1602
01:21:20,493 --> 01:21:22,733
Speaker 24: the questions in a way that gets the best out

1603
01:21:22,813 --> 01:21:25,013
Speaker 24: of the brand, because you know, you can get some

1604
01:21:25,053 --> 01:21:29,533
Speaker 24: pretty some pretty and no basic and poor and kind

1605
01:21:29,533 --> 01:21:35,933
Speaker 24: of tokenistic answers. Yeah, there is, there is, and I

1606
01:21:35,973 --> 01:21:38,933
Speaker 24: look for like, I have this list of questions which

1607
01:21:38,973 --> 01:21:41,773
Speaker 24: we can go through, but I I always look for like,

1608
01:21:41,813 --> 01:21:44,573
Speaker 24: I'm not looking for particular answers. There's no kind of

1609
01:21:45,093 --> 01:21:47,533
Speaker 24: It's not like a Homewok test and you you can

1610
01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:51,453
Speaker 24: quiz and like technical you got that one right, you know, sustainable,

1611
01:21:51,853 --> 01:21:55,653
Speaker 24: sustainability and ethics all very there's It's not black and white.

1612
01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:58,413
Speaker 24: So I look for transparency and honesty.

1613
01:21:58,733 --> 01:21:59,533
Speaker 2: You know, I have a brand.

1614
01:22:00,333 --> 01:22:02,933
Speaker 24: One of the first questions I ask is where your

1615
01:22:03,053 --> 01:22:06,133
Speaker 24: all your products and materials source from and how they produced?

1616
01:22:06,853 --> 01:22:10,173
Speaker 24: And if a brand goes we source all of our

1617
01:22:10,293 --> 01:22:13,613
Speaker 24: fabrics one hundred percent sustainably from you.

1618
01:22:13,573 --> 01:22:15,453
Speaker 2: Know, that is a red flag.

1619
01:22:15,733 --> 01:22:20,613
Speaker 24: That is, you know, sustainably according to what metric you know, sustainable.

1620
01:22:20,733 --> 01:22:23,973
Speaker 24: It's every single brand, you know, even all the amazing

1621
01:22:24,053 --> 01:22:28,333
Speaker 24: sustainable brands I work with. Everyone has something they need

1622
01:22:28,373 --> 01:22:31,013
Speaker 24: to work on. So I look for transparency and a

1623
01:22:31,053 --> 01:22:33,853
Speaker 24: brand being able to say, hey, yep, they you know,

1624
01:22:33,973 --> 01:22:36,813
Speaker 24: here's some information and as much information as possible is

1625
01:22:36,853 --> 01:22:39,573
Speaker 24: really great, but you know, we're not doing these things

1626
01:22:39,653 --> 01:22:41,933
Speaker 24: right yet, and we're working on this. Yeah, and that's

1627
01:22:41,973 --> 01:22:45,173
Speaker 24: when I'd be way more likely to purchase from them,

1628
01:22:45,293 --> 01:22:46,773
Speaker 24: you know, and to support them.

1629
01:22:46,853 --> 01:22:50,133
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you want a brand that has enough kind

1630
01:22:50,133 --> 01:22:53,413
Speaker 3: of honesty. I suppose that they can acknowledge that they're

1631
01:22:53,493 --> 01:22:56,653
Speaker 3: they're imperfect. Right. Any any brand that immediately says it's

1632
01:22:56,493 --> 01:23:00,613
Speaker 3: a nailing it, there's something a bit fishy there. Yeah,

1633
01:23:01,133 --> 01:23:03,893
Speaker 3: So let's talk to some of these questions. First of all,

1634
01:23:04,613 --> 01:23:07,173
Speaker 3: where are all your product and material source from and

1635
01:23:07,213 --> 01:23:09,133
Speaker 3: how are they produced? That's a big one, right.

1636
01:23:09,733 --> 01:23:10,933
Speaker 15: Yes, I mean that's huge.

1637
01:23:11,013 --> 01:23:14,773
Speaker 24: That's usually the one that Yeah, especially when I'm vetting

1638
01:23:14,813 --> 01:23:18,093
Speaker 24: brands to put them on my ethical directory, it's usually

1639
01:23:18,093 --> 01:23:21,773
Speaker 24: the longest list, because you know there may be you know,

1640
01:23:21,813 --> 01:23:24,093
Speaker 24: even a T shirt may have where are the threads from?

1641
01:23:24,173 --> 01:23:25,213
Speaker 24: Where's the fabric from?

1642
01:23:25,253 --> 01:23:26,053
Speaker 12: Where the tach you know?

1643
01:23:26,333 --> 01:23:27,533
Speaker 24: What about the swing tags?

1644
01:23:27,613 --> 01:23:27,893
Speaker 7: How?

1645
01:23:28,813 --> 01:23:29,053
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1646
01:23:29,213 --> 01:23:32,973
Speaker 24: The packaging materials. So that's that's a big one because

1647
01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:35,333
Speaker 24: a lot of the products we buy a mixed materials

1648
01:23:35,453 --> 01:23:37,133
Speaker 24: or a lot of the stores that we're asking this

1649
01:23:37,213 --> 01:23:40,533
Speaker 24: question of have multiple different products made from different things.

1650
01:23:41,133 --> 01:23:44,493
Speaker 24: But that's important to ask. And you know that the

1651
01:23:44,573 --> 01:23:47,213
Speaker 24: brand should know their supply chains and you know where

1652
01:23:47,253 --> 01:23:47,693
Speaker 24: they were made.

1653
01:23:47,773 --> 01:23:50,173
Speaker 3: You should ask where do your product end up at

1654
01:23:50,173 --> 01:23:50,973
Speaker 3: the end of their life?

1655
01:23:52,333 --> 01:23:54,933
Speaker 24: Yes, yep, So like, how can they be recycled and

1656
01:23:55,013 --> 01:23:57,053
Speaker 24: kept in our resource loops so that they're not just

1657
01:23:57,653 --> 01:23:59,653
Speaker 24: used for a short amount of time and then end

1658
01:23:59,733 --> 01:24:01,133
Speaker 24: up in a hole in the ground.

1659
01:24:01,773 --> 01:24:04,373
Speaker 3: How are you how are your products shipped to customers?

1660
01:24:04,413 --> 01:24:06,453
Speaker 3: And what's the New Zealand shipping cost? Why do you

1661
01:24:06,453 --> 01:24:07,253
Speaker 3: ask both of those?

1662
01:24:07,493 --> 01:24:07,693
Speaker 15: Yes?

1663
01:24:08,373 --> 01:24:13,413
Speaker 24: I often ask that because some brands that's a that's

1664
01:24:13,453 --> 01:24:16,773
Speaker 24: a key one for me because some brands they're like

1665
01:24:17,013 --> 01:24:19,893
Speaker 24: way overseas and potentially the shipping may cost just as

1666
01:24:20,013 --> 01:24:24,173
Speaker 24: much as the product or if it's not available. I

1667
01:24:24,213 --> 01:24:26,533
Speaker 24: mean I'm asking that one too, because I'm wanting to

1668
01:24:26,573 --> 01:24:30,413
Speaker 24: be able to recommend it to people as a sustainable blogger.

1669
01:24:30,533 --> 01:24:33,893
Speaker 24: So I always ask that around the shipping costs, because

1670
01:24:33,933 --> 01:24:37,333
Speaker 24: you can get hit with yeah, extra fees and that

1671
01:24:37,373 --> 01:24:40,053
Speaker 24: type of thing, which isn't sustainable if you can find

1672
01:24:40,053 --> 01:24:42,573
Speaker 24: something else that is here in New Zealand and not

1673
01:24:42,573 --> 01:24:45,053
Speaker 24: not shipped around the globe. And a lot of companies

1674
01:24:45,093 --> 01:24:48,493
Speaker 24: do have a carbon neutral shipping and they're actually factoring

1675
01:24:48,533 --> 01:24:52,373
Speaker 24: that into their kind of you know, yeah, that how

1676
01:24:52,373 --> 01:24:53,493
Speaker 24: they do things in their business.

1677
01:24:53,653 --> 01:24:55,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you should ask who makes your products and

1678
01:24:56,013 --> 01:24:57,893
Speaker 3: how do you ensure they're paid to fee awake.

1679
01:24:59,213 --> 01:25:01,253
Speaker 24: Yes, that's one of my favorite ones. I mean, that's

1680
01:25:01,253 --> 01:25:03,813
Speaker 24: how ethically Kate and my whole work started was with

1681
01:25:03,853 --> 01:25:04,973
Speaker 24: this question pretty much.

1682
01:25:05,133 --> 01:25:06,893
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, it makes them.

1683
01:25:06,853 --> 01:25:10,333
Speaker 24: And yeah, do they work in a place where they

1684
01:25:10,333 --> 01:25:15,333
Speaker 24: get lunch breaks and you know, overpay extra pay if

1685
01:25:15,333 --> 01:25:16,813
Speaker 24: they work overtime and things like that.

1686
01:25:16,893 --> 01:25:20,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's one that I might stumble people or cause

1687
01:25:20,693 --> 01:25:23,333
Speaker 3: people to stumble the suppose, aside from the people who

1688
01:25:23,413 --> 01:25:25,813
Speaker 3: make your products, tell me about your team culture.

1689
01:25:27,533 --> 01:25:29,653
Speaker 12: Yeah, and that's a bit of a wild card.

1690
01:25:29,693 --> 01:25:33,133
Speaker 24: It's not you know, the classic who made your products.

1691
01:25:33,133 --> 01:25:39,453
Speaker 24: But I think with sustainability, it's there's a big breadth

1692
01:25:39,493 --> 01:25:41,613
Speaker 24: to it. So if you're looking at a company and

1693
01:25:42,333 --> 01:25:46,213
Speaker 24: they may be like, yeah, we make how products sustainably

1694
01:25:46,413 --> 01:25:49,453
Speaker 24: and India they have like far beyond the living wage

1695
01:25:49,453 --> 01:25:52,413
Speaker 24: and it's awesome, but they may have people here in

1696
01:25:52,453 --> 01:25:56,373
Speaker 24: New Zealand just working their butts off and earning minimum wage,

1697
01:25:56,733 --> 01:25:59,533
Speaker 24: or they're kind of not thinking about the diversity of

1698
01:25:59,573 --> 01:26:02,253
Speaker 24: their models for their products or things like that. That

1699
01:26:02,373 --> 01:26:06,013
Speaker 24: is sustainability to It goes right down to, you know,

1700
01:26:06,053 --> 01:26:08,453
Speaker 24: the head off. And I find it really hard actually

1701
01:26:08,493 --> 01:26:12,173
Speaker 24: because a lot of their sustainable brands run by one

1702
01:26:12,253 --> 01:26:15,693
Speaker 24: person who doesn't pay themselves a wage. Yeah, you know,

1703
01:26:15,773 --> 01:26:18,013
Speaker 24: they're really trying, and you know there is a time

1704
01:26:18,013 --> 01:26:20,093
Speaker 24: and place for that when you're starting. But I think

1705
01:26:20,133 --> 01:26:22,373
Speaker 24: this actually gets a lot of small brands thinking because

1706
01:26:22,373 --> 01:26:27,253
Speaker 24: they're like, oh, shoot, if I need to continue doing

1707
01:26:27,253 --> 01:26:30,133
Speaker 24: the sustainable business, I actually need to make sure I'm

1708
01:26:30,173 --> 01:26:32,613
Speaker 24: paying my own rent to in my own costs as well.

1709
01:26:32,653 --> 01:26:35,853
Speaker 24: So that gets that becomes a really cool conversation that

1710
01:26:36,173 --> 01:26:38,093
Speaker 24: often these companies aren't asked.

1711
01:26:37,933 --> 01:26:40,813
Speaker 3: So where are you asking them? Are you emailing them? There?

1712
01:26:40,813 --> 01:26:42,893
Speaker 3: You are you seeing them in person, Like in a

1713
01:26:42,933 --> 01:26:45,493
Speaker 3: retail shop, you're just going up to someone who's working

1714
01:26:45,493 --> 01:26:47,173
Speaker 3: there and saying, hey, can I have a couple of minutes.

1715
01:26:48,133 --> 01:26:51,573
Speaker 24: Yeah, in a retail shop, I've that doesn't work because

1716
01:26:51,653 --> 01:26:55,653
Speaker 24: usually the retail person is yeah, they're just there. They

1717
01:26:55,733 --> 01:26:58,093
Speaker 24: actually don't know much about the company or the clothes

1718
01:26:58,173 --> 01:27:00,093
Speaker 24: or have you made, which I would like to see change.

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01:27:00,173 --> 01:27:03,773
Speaker 24: But it's another point. So usually I via email at

1720
01:27:03,813 --> 01:27:07,373
Speaker 24: these questions. You can actually even message them on Instagram

1721
01:27:07,573 --> 01:27:11,853
Speaker 24: or Facebook, you know, as a customer. That's something that

1722
01:27:11,933 --> 01:27:15,013
Speaker 24: brands like responding to those questions is in their best interest.

1723
01:27:15,453 --> 01:27:16,733
Speaker 12: They want you to make a purchase.

1724
01:27:17,253 --> 01:27:19,613
Speaker 24: They you know, and you deserve to know where your

1725
01:27:19,653 --> 01:27:23,053
Speaker 24: clothes were made, where your product, any type of products

1726
01:27:23,053 --> 01:27:25,413
Speaker 24: that you're buying, yeah, where it came from. And we

1727
01:27:25,853 --> 01:27:28,413
Speaker 24: all need to be far more aware of that so

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01:27:28,453 --> 01:27:30,973
Speaker 24: that we can actually vote with our pocket and buy

1729
01:27:31,053 --> 01:27:33,333
Speaker 24: things that are from ethically made spaces.

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01:27:33,453 --> 01:27:36,373
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know too that you've got that directory, which

1731
01:27:36,373 --> 01:27:38,733
Speaker 3: is really helpful, so people can go and say that

1732
01:27:38,773 --> 01:27:43,293
Speaker 3: you've done the hard work by collating all of the things.

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01:27:43,333 --> 01:27:46,053
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, but we'll make sure we put

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01:27:46,093 --> 01:27:48,493
Speaker 3: those questions up online as well. Thank you so much, Kate,

1735
01:27:48,733 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 3: and we will catch you again very soon. That is

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01:27:51,413 --> 01:27:53,973
Speaker 3: Kate Hall aka ethically Kate. You can find her on

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01:27:53,973 --> 01:27:56,493
Speaker 3: all of the social media platforms by searching ethically Kate.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past eleven our travel correspondents are next on newstalk

1739
01:28:00,453 --> 01:28:02,453
Speaker 3: edb Travel.

1740
01:28:02,213 --> 01:28:05,373
Speaker 2: With Windy WU Tours Where the World Is Yours book?

1741
01:28:05,453 --> 01:28:08,253
Speaker 3: Now just coming up to twenty past eleven on Newstalks,

1742
01:28:08,253 --> 01:28:11,373
Speaker 3: he'd be Markeyardie's our travel correspondent. He is here now,

1743
01:28:11,413 --> 01:28:12,053
Speaker 3: hey Mike.

1744
01:28:12,053 --> 01:28:14,813
Speaker 16: Good morning Jack. Now, I know this is doing parochial,

1745
01:28:14,933 --> 01:28:17,813
Speaker 16: but I'm looking for the third leader, the trifecta great

1746
01:28:17,853 --> 01:28:20,173
Speaker 16: win by the wars the All Whites. Now we just

1747
01:28:20,253 --> 01:28:22,493
Speaker 16: need the Crusaders to turn the lights out on the Blues.

1748
01:28:23,133 --> 01:28:26,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do, and hopefully it can have You know,

1749
01:28:26,093 --> 01:28:27,853
Speaker 3: it can be. It could be one sided in the

1750
01:28:27,893 --> 01:28:31,533
Speaker 3: same nature as either either the All Whites or indeed

1751
01:28:31,533 --> 01:28:33,853
Speaker 3: the Chiefs last night, because we've had some one sided

1752
01:28:33,893 --> 01:28:37,293
Speaker 3: contests this weekend. But yes, yeah, I think I think

1753
01:28:37,453 --> 01:28:39,573
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with a bit of parochialism so long

1754
01:28:39,613 --> 01:28:40,853
Speaker 3: as it's on behalf of Canterbury.

1755
01:28:40,893 --> 01:28:44,653
Speaker 16: As far as I'm concerned, we need a Heathrow Airport

1756
01:28:44,733 --> 01:28:47,053
Speaker 16: style shut down the park tonight.

1757
01:28:48,773 --> 01:28:52,213
Speaker 3: My goodness, that's yeah, certainly keeping things of the theme

1758
01:28:52,253 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 3: this morning, I totally agree. It's a it's a it's

1759
01:28:55,093 --> 01:28:56,853
Speaker 3: a crazy weekend to sport and it was a pretty

1760
01:28:56,853 --> 01:28:58,813
Speaker 3: big night in the Capitol last night. I think they

1761
01:28:58,853 --> 01:29:02,533
Speaker 3: had twenty thousand out for the All Whites semi final.

1762
01:29:02,573 --> 01:29:06,533
Speaker 3: But the Capital has certainly had its fair share of

1763
01:29:06,813 --> 01:29:11,413
Speaker 3: toil and trouble lately. How is the mood among the

1764
01:29:11,493 --> 01:29:13,573
Speaker 3: kind of hospow operators at the moment?

1765
01:29:14,653 --> 01:29:18,413
Speaker 16: Well I went for a really good graze across the

1766
01:29:18,493 --> 01:29:21,493
Speaker 16: capital a few weeks ago, And yes, I mean hospitality

1767
01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:24,173
Speaker 16: can be a very fluid and fickle industry, as you o, Jack,

1768
01:29:24,253 --> 01:29:27,533
Speaker 16: But man, that economic downturn in the last year or

1769
01:29:27,573 --> 01:29:31,493
Speaker 16: two has been so bruising for Wellington operators, particularly the

1770
01:29:31,573 --> 01:29:35,533
Speaker 16: fact that so many legendary establishments have closed their doors.

1771
01:29:35,573 --> 01:29:39,893
Speaker 16: It's been like a procession of food funerals. But the

1772
01:29:40,053 --> 01:29:45,173
Speaker 16: good thing I detected a clear upswing in morale amongst

1773
01:29:45,213 --> 01:29:47,613
Speaker 16: the swagger venues a few weeks ago, and the impression

1774
01:29:47,653 --> 01:29:50,733
Speaker 16: I got as I gorged my way all over Wellington

1775
01:29:51,373 --> 01:29:54,893
Speaker 16: was the general feeling seems to be trade has been

1776
01:29:54,933 --> 01:29:59,693
Speaker 16: on the up since February, so hopefully that punishing period

1777
01:29:59,693 --> 01:30:01,133
Speaker 16: of gloom is lifting.

1778
01:30:01,373 --> 01:30:04,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's good to hear. Hope. I hope that

1779
01:30:05,373 --> 01:30:08,693
Speaker 3: operators around the ca appital share that sense of optimism.

1780
01:30:08,693 --> 01:30:10,533
Speaker 3: What was your favorite dining spot?

1781
01:30:11,613 --> 01:30:15,533
Speaker 16: There are so many outrageously good venues on Cuba Street, Jack,

1782
01:30:15,653 --> 01:30:18,933
Speaker 16: I think I could happily just park up in Cuba

1783
01:30:18,973 --> 01:30:22,853
Speaker 16: Street with my tent and graze from the street for

1784
01:30:23,053 --> 01:30:27,613
Speaker 16: months without getting bored. But two standouts that really did

1785
01:30:27,613 --> 01:30:32,253
Speaker 16: it for me. First of all, Scalper Pizzeria. The calamari

1786
01:30:32,373 --> 01:30:35,773
Speaker 16: there melts in your mouth, obviously, the classic Italian pizza

1787
01:30:35,973 --> 01:30:40,813
Speaker 16: is divine. But best of all Scopers Italian hot chocolate.

1788
01:30:40,933 --> 01:30:45,133
Speaker 16: It's thick, rich and anxious like custard. It is so

1789
01:30:45,453 --> 01:30:49,093
Speaker 16: thick you can eat it with a spoon. It is sensational.

1790
01:30:49,573 --> 01:30:53,133
Speaker 16: And then my other newfound favorite on Cuba Street, TiSER.

1791
01:30:53,613 --> 01:30:58,253
Speaker 16: It's the most magnificently executed Middle Eastern cuisine I have

1792
01:30:58,373 --> 01:31:01,653
Speaker 16: had for a very long time. And the Mese plates

1793
01:31:01,733 --> 01:31:06,133
Speaker 16: Jack is so spectacular because their kebabs give you the

1794
01:31:06,213 --> 01:31:10,413
Speaker 16: cho of you meat, choice of either what the tea

1795
01:31:10,533 --> 01:31:15,173
Speaker 16: are or lamb so very very inventive in the dessert,

1796
01:31:15,213 --> 01:31:19,453
Speaker 16: Oh my goodness, rosewater, malaby custard, and they do it

1797
01:31:19,493 --> 01:31:22,933
Speaker 16: with the almond milk and then they enrich it with

1798
01:31:22,973 --> 01:31:26,013
Speaker 16: pomegranate syrup and sour cherry's manned that hit the spot.

1799
01:31:26,053 --> 01:31:28,333
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that sounds like a bit of me. Did

1800
01:31:28,373 --> 01:31:30,973
Speaker 3: you unearth any hidden gems?

1801
01:31:32,133 --> 01:31:32,293
Speaker 4: Well?

1802
01:31:32,333 --> 01:31:34,653
Speaker 16: I went on a foody tour and I was so

1803
01:31:34,813 --> 01:31:39,453
Speaker 16: delighted to discover a place called Rams. And I have

1804
01:31:39,653 --> 01:31:42,613
Speaker 16: since found out a lot of locals in Wealy declared

1805
01:31:42,653 --> 01:31:46,493
Speaker 16: this place serves the city's best dumplings. Once again, it's

1806
01:31:46,493 --> 01:31:48,653
Speaker 16: in Tuba Street, but it's one of those sort of

1807
01:31:48,693 --> 01:31:52,773
Speaker 16: nondescript shops you would quite easily be forgiven for just

1808
01:31:52,893 --> 01:31:55,973
Speaker 16: ambling right past without realizing what a revelation it is.

1809
01:31:56,493 --> 01:32:00,413
Speaker 16: So Rams crazy dumplings. You get twelve dumplings for seventeen

1810
01:32:00,493 --> 01:32:04,693
Speaker 16: bucks and they serve it in a pool of homemade

1811
01:32:04,893 --> 01:32:09,773
Speaker 16: chili oil. I would order the pork with Child's dumplings

1812
01:32:09,773 --> 01:32:13,693
Speaker 16: and you get this little sort of sweet vinegary kick

1813
01:32:14,053 --> 01:32:17,093
Speaker 16: as well, and the whole thing, particularly that pole of

1814
01:32:17,213 --> 01:32:21,413
Speaker 16: chili oil, it just enhances the dumplings. They are just

1815
01:32:21,693 --> 01:32:24,733
Speaker 16: so delicious. The other thing very quickly. Jack. In terms

1816
01:32:24,773 --> 01:32:27,933
Speaker 16: of hidden gems, this won't be a hidden gem for locals.

1817
01:32:28,213 --> 01:32:31,373
Speaker 16: There's a place called Pie and Pickle. You probably know

1818
01:32:31,453 --> 01:32:37,093
Speaker 16: that Wellington is obsessed by cheese sconce They by them,

1819
01:32:37,493 --> 01:32:42,853
Speaker 16: and at Pie and Temple they do these amazing big

1820
01:32:43,013 --> 01:32:45,373
Speaker 16: puffy cheese SCons and they serve them with a pickle

1821
01:32:45,413 --> 01:32:47,013
Speaker 16: on the side. Really good.

1822
01:32:47,213 --> 01:32:51,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, ah, that's so yeah, it sounds like that's fantastic.

1823
01:32:51,253 --> 01:32:54,453
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I always think that the kai in

1824
01:32:54,493 --> 01:32:57,693
Speaker 3: Wellington and the coffee obviously there's a bit of a standout.

1825
01:32:57,853 --> 01:32:59,813
Speaker 3: Now there's a bit of a the a. There's a

1826
01:33:00,093 --> 01:33:02,253
Speaker 3: big rather Disney exhibition in town at the moment.

1827
01:33:02,293 --> 01:33:02,413
Speaker 4: Ah.

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01:33:03,573 --> 01:33:06,013
Speaker 16: Yes, I'm a bit of a Disney freak, and if

1829
01:33:06,053 --> 01:33:09,293
Speaker 16: you're in animation, this exhibition is for you. So the

1830
01:33:09,533 --> 01:33:13,013
Speaker 16: showcasing one hundred years of art from the Walt Disney

1831
01:33:13,053 --> 01:33:17,333
Speaker 16: Animation Studios, which of course began with the Mickey as

1832
01:33:17,413 --> 01:33:20,813
Speaker 16: Steamboat Willie in nineteen twenty eight. So there's a century

1833
01:33:20,853 --> 01:33:24,253
Speaker 16: of stuff there. There's about six hundred works on display

1834
01:33:24,613 --> 01:33:32,213
Speaker 16: and it goes right through the catalog from Steamboat Willie, Fantasia, Frozen.

1835
01:33:32,573 --> 01:33:35,653
Speaker 16: There's even artwork there from Disney's latest hit Mulwana two.

1836
01:33:36,133 --> 01:33:40,413
Speaker 16: So from your old school sketches to computer generated wonders.

1837
01:33:40,453 --> 01:33:43,213
Speaker 16: It really is quite a cool exhibition. Quite coo for

1838
01:33:43,213 --> 01:33:46,373
Speaker 16: Wellington to have it, actually, Jack, and it's on until

1839
01:33:46,453 --> 01:33:49,053
Speaker 16: July at Takeina the Convention Center.

1840
01:33:49,173 --> 01:33:52,213
Speaker 3: Oh very good. Tell us about the Seal Coast Safari.

1841
01:33:53,533 --> 01:33:55,973
Speaker 16: Yes, I loved this. So if you want to have

1842
01:33:56,013 --> 01:33:59,453
Speaker 16: all we dabbled with Wellington's wildside, there is this fantastic

1843
01:33:59,573 --> 01:34:03,533
Speaker 16: tour that takes you over the hilltops of Marketer and

1844
01:34:03,533 --> 01:34:05,973
Speaker 16: then down onto the south coast to admire that vath

1845
01:34:06,093 --> 01:34:09,053
Speaker 16: color on the New Zealand fur seals snoozing and swimming

1846
01:34:09,053 --> 01:34:12,693
Speaker 16: and sunbathing like box. It's a real boys club down

1847
01:34:12,733 --> 01:34:17,333
Speaker 16: there actually, because the seals at Red Rocks are either

1848
01:34:17,533 --> 01:34:22,253
Speaker 16: juveniles waiting their time to mate or elderly males passed

1849
01:34:22,373 --> 01:34:24,933
Speaker 16: their prime. The females hang out around the coast of

1850
01:34:25,053 --> 01:34:28,213
Speaker 16: Kate Palliser. So yeah, it's like this old gentleman's club

1851
01:34:28,253 --> 01:34:32,573
Speaker 16: with a few young things splashing about. But yeah, such

1852
01:34:32,613 --> 01:34:34,293
Speaker 16: a gnally little coastline.

1853
01:34:34,413 --> 01:34:37,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, I once stayed in it, like got an Airbnb

1854
01:34:37,733 --> 01:34:41,053
Speaker 3: round there and yeah, really remote, My gosh, it was

1855
01:34:41,173 --> 01:34:43,413
Speaker 3: just it was amazing though, kind of being parked up

1856
01:34:43,493 --> 01:34:47,133
Speaker 3: on Cook Straight like that, but road access is really tricky,

1857
01:34:47,613 --> 01:34:49,213
Speaker 3: you know, getting around to Red Rocks, So how did

1858
01:34:49,253 --> 01:34:49,733
Speaker 3: you get there?

1859
01:34:50,653 --> 01:34:53,693
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's the coastal erosion has made vehical access a

1860
01:34:53,733 --> 01:34:57,133
Speaker 16: lot more restricted. But on the Safari, the really good

1861
01:34:57,133 --> 01:34:59,893
Speaker 16: thing about it is you also get to see the

1862
01:35:00,093 --> 01:35:04,013
Speaker 16: historic Terra Feti Station, so you drive over that private

1863
01:35:04,093 --> 01:35:08,053
Speaker 16: farm land to get down clear head down to Red Rocks.

1864
01:35:08,453 --> 01:35:11,333
Speaker 16: The thing about Terrafiiti Station, Jack, it just blew me away.

1865
01:35:11,613 --> 01:35:16,453
Speaker 16: That farm has been operating since eighteen forty three, so

1866
01:35:16,493 --> 01:35:19,053
Speaker 16: it's one of our oldest far Yeah, one of our

1867
01:35:19,133 --> 01:35:23,373
Speaker 16: biggest sheep stations. But also reintroduced Kiwi to the hills

1868
01:35:23,373 --> 01:35:26,213
Speaker 16: surrounding the property, which is very cool. And also you

1869
01:35:26,293 --> 01:35:30,213
Speaker 16: get to rendezvous with West Wind Farm, which is meridians

1870
01:35:30,293 --> 01:35:34,093
Speaker 16: When Farm, the third most productive wind farm in the world,

1871
01:35:34,133 --> 01:35:36,533
Speaker 16: so you can get right up both with those giant

1872
01:35:36,533 --> 01:35:41,813
Speaker 16: turbines and apparently Meridian reckon one turbine can power a

1873
01:35:42,093 --> 01:35:45,493
Speaker 16: thousand homes, that's how productive it is. Because of that

1874
01:35:45,693 --> 01:35:50,173
Speaker 16: funneling effect on the Cook Straight. Ye, there's all sorts

1875
01:35:50,173 --> 01:35:54,093
Speaker 16: of elements to that seal coast Safari. It's a banger

1876
01:35:54,213 --> 01:35:54,693
Speaker 16: of a tour.

1877
01:35:54,893 --> 01:35:57,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds fantastic. Hey, very good, Thank you, Mike. Like

1878
01:35:57,573 --> 01:36:00,653
Speaker 3: you say, lots of things to entertain us and keep

1879
01:36:00,733 --> 01:36:03,093
Speaker 3: us up beat about life and the capital, which I

1880
01:36:03,093 --> 01:36:06,333
Speaker 3: think has probably been a little unfairly beaten up on lately.

1881
01:36:06,653 --> 01:36:08,173
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We'll make sure all of those

1882
01:36:08,213 --> 01:36:16,093
Speaker 3: tips are up on the news talks. He'd be website.

1883
01:36:14,253 --> 01:36:15,893
Speaker 2: Getting your weekends started.

1884
01:36:16,093 --> 01:36:47,773
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks, edbe.

1885
01:36:39,013 --> 01:36:42,573
Speaker 3: Jays in fine Is on weekend sport this afternoon for

1886
01:36:42,693 --> 01:36:44,813
Speaker 3: us now morning a pinee. Great to see you, mate,

1887
01:36:44,813 --> 01:36:46,413
Speaker 3: Great to see you. How are you feeling about their

1888
01:36:46,453 --> 01:36:47,333
Speaker 3: performance last night?

1889
01:36:47,373 --> 01:36:49,973
Speaker 25: Well, I think job done certainly by the All Whites.

1890
01:36:49,973 --> 01:36:51,173
Speaker 25: I'd presume you're talking about the.

1891
01:36:51,413 --> 01:36:53,453
Speaker 3: I am talking about the All Whites. I am because we.

1892
01:36:53,453 --> 01:36:56,053
Speaker 22: Had rugby, rugby, league, cricket and other things on as well.

1893
01:36:56,173 --> 01:36:59,933
Speaker 22: Look the football, I think you know they they went

1894
01:37:00,093 --> 01:37:00,533
Speaker 22: and it was.

1895
01:37:00,493 --> 01:37:03,253
Speaker 3: A bit silly, like not silly, but you know what

1896
01:37:03,253 --> 01:37:05,013
Speaker 3: I mean, like it was it was certainly on one side. Again,

1897
01:37:05,053 --> 01:37:06,333
Speaker 3: what was it? Do you know what the possession said

1898
01:37:06,613 --> 01:37:07,013
Speaker 3: in the end?

1899
01:37:07,093 --> 01:37:08,653
Speaker 25: No mismatch. You're right, I think it would have been

1900
01:37:08,693 --> 01:37:11,773
Speaker 25: eight twenty. It felt like an eighty twenty game. And look,

1901
01:37:11,813 --> 01:37:13,813
Speaker 25: I think Fiji went in thinking to themselves, so we

1902
01:37:13,813 --> 01:37:15,253
Speaker 25: can keep this in, They'll all for as long as

1903
01:37:15,293 --> 01:37:18,333
Speaker 25: possible we might, you know, put the frighteners up the

1904
01:37:18,333 --> 01:37:20,573
Speaker 25: all Whites. Well, when Chris Wood scored the first of

1905
01:37:20,573 --> 01:37:22,613
Speaker 25: what turned out to be a hat trick after six minutes,

1906
01:37:23,013 --> 01:37:24,813
Speaker 25: that plan went out the window. The game was gone

1907
01:37:24,813 --> 01:37:26,853
Speaker 25: by the half hour mark, when New Zealand with three

1908
01:37:26,933 --> 01:37:28,453
Speaker 25: nil ahead, and by the end it was just really

1909
01:37:28,493 --> 01:37:30,573
Speaker 25: a matter of how many they would get and whether

1910
01:37:30,613 --> 01:37:33,333
Speaker 25: they would escape, you know, without any injuries. They got seven,

1911
01:37:33,653 --> 01:37:36,773
Speaker 25: no injuries as far as I'm aware, So Mission accomplished

1912
01:37:36,773 --> 01:37:39,053
Speaker 25: one game to go Monday night against New Caledonia.

1913
01:37:39,173 --> 01:37:41,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought they looked fantastic. They Al

1914
01:37:41,853 --> 01:37:44,253
Speaker 3: Whites really looked fantastic, as good as I can remember

1915
01:37:44,293 --> 01:37:46,133
Speaker 3: them looking. And it was telling to me. I was

1916
01:37:46,133 --> 01:37:48,773
Speaker 3: saying earlier in the show that only one A League

1917
01:37:48,773 --> 01:37:51,053
Speaker 3: player started. You know, for all of the hype Brundalkland

1918
01:37:51,213 --> 01:37:52,973
Speaker 3: See and the Phoenix at the moment, there was only

1919
01:37:52,973 --> 01:37:54,733
Speaker 3: one A League player. Because we have all of these

1920
01:37:54,773 --> 01:37:58,093
Speaker 3: guys who are playing internationally to choose from at the moment.

1921
01:37:58,133 --> 01:38:00,413
Speaker 3: So what are you expecting Monday night? An another one

1922
01:38:00,413 --> 01:38:02,253
Speaker 3: sided performance? Things a bit bit tougher, I think.

1923
01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:02,413
Speaker 13: So.

1924
01:38:02,493 --> 01:38:04,733
Speaker 25: I watched New Caledonia bagt Tahiti in the other semi

1925
01:38:04,773 --> 01:38:06,973
Speaker 25: final yesterday. They've got a bit more about the look.

1926
01:38:07,053 --> 01:38:09,733
Speaker 25: I'm not saying that they're going to, you know, necessarily

1927
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Speaker 25: present an insurmountable challenge for the Your Whites by any

1928
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Speaker 25: stretch of the imagination. I think most of us would

1929
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Speaker 25: fully expect the Your Whites to get the job done

1930
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Speaker 25: and to punch their ticket for the World Cup next year.

1931
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Speaker 25: But yeah, it won't be as easy, I don't think,

1932
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Speaker 25: or as straightforward, shall we say, as last night. But

1933
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Speaker 25: having said that, Jack, you know, as you've said, the

1934
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Speaker 25: way this New Zealand team is playing right now. You know,

1935
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Speaker 25: in the last last five games they've scored thirty goals.

1936
01:38:31,893 --> 01:38:34,613
Speaker 25: You know, I know, yes they are against Oceanian nations,

1937
01:38:34,653 --> 01:38:37,893
Speaker 25: but creating chances is one thing. Putting them in the

1938
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Speaker 25: back of the net is another. When you've got a

1939
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Speaker 25: guy like Chris Wood there, who now has back to

1940
01:38:41,573 --> 01:38:45,133
Speaker 25: back hat tricks forty four New Zealand goals, you know,

1941
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Speaker 25: I don't necessarily fear for New Caledonia, but they will

1942
01:38:48,773 --> 01:38:50,493
Speaker 25: be well and truly up against it.

1943
01:38:50,533 --> 01:38:53,413
Speaker 3: Is it time for FIFA to reconsider some of the

1944
01:38:53,453 --> 01:38:57,053
Speaker 3: small print around yellow cards to players who are giving

1945
01:38:57,133 --> 01:38:59,173
Speaker 3: autographs to kids in the stands.

1946
01:38:59,373 --> 01:39:02,093
Speaker 25: I've never seen it. I've never seen it happen, and

1947
01:39:02,173 --> 01:39:04,093
Speaker 25: I know people have picked up on this. Yeah, Chris

1948
01:39:04,093 --> 01:39:06,213
Speaker 25: Wood scores a hat trick, comes off, SIT's on the bench,

1949
01:39:06,613 --> 01:39:08,893
Speaker 25: somebody in the crowd catches his attention for a selfie

1950
01:39:09,093 --> 01:39:11,533
Speaker 25: or an autograph. He goes over, ends up staying there,

1951
01:39:11,573 --> 01:39:15,293
Speaker 25: goes up into the crowd, and then is rewarded for

1952
01:39:15,373 --> 01:39:18,373
Speaker 25: his generosity with a yellow card. So, yeah, one of

1953
01:39:18,413 --> 01:39:20,493
Speaker 25: the more ridiculous yellow Trying.

1954
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Speaker 3: To work it out as you were calling the game,

1955
01:39:21,813 --> 01:39:23,293
Speaker 3: you're trying to work it out, right, you thought at

1956
01:39:23,293 --> 01:39:25,453
Speaker 3: first that Darren, basically the coach, had been given a

1957
01:39:25,493 --> 01:39:28,413
Speaker 3: yellow car. Then you're like, no, okay, it's actually quest word.

1958
01:39:28,453 --> 01:39:29,933
Speaker 3: I mean, it does seem a little bit absurd, but

1959
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Speaker 3: obviously there aren't going to be ongoing consequences from that,

1960
01:39:32,253 --> 01:39:34,053
Speaker 3: which is a relief they might be. So from a

1961
01:39:34,133 --> 01:39:37,573
Speaker 3: one sided affair to the Warriors scratching out another tough victrip,

1962
01:39:37,573 --> 01:39:38,453
Speaker 3: it's so good.

1963
01:39:38,333 --> 01:39:40,853
Speaker 25: Yep, so good. Haven't beaten the Roosters for seven years?

1964
01:39:40,893 --> 01:39:43,253
Speaker 25: Have now are good? Win last night didn't get in

1965
01:39:43,253 --> 01:39:46,413
Speaker 25: front until the sixty fifth minutes, so they already grounded out.

1966
01:39:46,573 --> 01:39:46,813
Speaker 3: It was.

1967
01:39:47,133 --> 01:39:50,093
Speaker 25: It was a good old fashioned Armorssole at ADG Media Stadium.

1968
01:39:50,093 --> 01:39:52,613
Speaker 25: So yeah, the Warriors seem to have put Vegas behind them.

1969
01:39:52,653 --> 01:39:55,133
Speaker 25: They've left Vegas in Vegas and back to back wins.

1970
01:39:55,173 --> 01:39:57,693
Speaker 25: Now I have a manly and the Roosters, so yeah,

1971
01:39:57,693 --> 01:40:00,133
Speaker 25: it's all arazing. Vas a shick though that was the

1972
01:40:00,133 --> 01:40:02,893
Speaker 25: only one that was. But injuries happened in rugby league

1973
01:40:02,893 --> 01:40:05,333
Speaker 25: and let's hope it's not as serious as first thought.

1974
01:40:05,413 --> 01:40:08,333
Speaker 25: So either rugby last night chars nikol klukstar actually will

1975
01:40:08,373 --> 01:40:11,333
Speaker 25: lead us off after mid day today the Warriors fallback

1976
01:40:11,613 --> 01:40:13,733
Speaker 25: to let us know, you know, how they're feeling after

1977
01:40:13,773 --> 01:40:15,253
Speaker 25: that and after two this afternoon.

1978
01:40:15,333 --> 01:40:17,053
Speaker 3: Jack nick Willis is on the show.

1979
01:40:17,373 --> 01:40:21,773
Speaker 25: As we try and break down exactly how amazing what

1980
01:40:21,933 --> 01:40:25,773
Speaker 25: Sam Ruth is doing is at fifteen? What was Nick

1981
01:40:25,773 --> 01:40:27,933
Speaker 25: Willis at fifteen? What sort of times was he running

1982
01:40:27,933 --> 01:40:30,813
Speaker 25: for fifteen hundred meters and the mile? And for a

1983
01:40:30,853 --> 01:40:32,853
Speaker 25: guy who won an Olympic medal at the age of

1984
01:40:32,933 --> 01:40:36,493
Speaker 25: thirty three. How far could Sam Ruth go? And Sam's

1985
01:40:36,533 --> 01:40:37,973
Speaker 25: dad Ben is also going to pop in for a

1986
01:40:38,093 --> 01:40:41,333
Speaker 25: chat too, So looking forward to to, you know, unpacking

1987
01:40:41,373 --> 01:40:44,333
Speaker 25: one of you know, the rising stars of means.

1988
01:40:44,493 --> 01:40:46,613
Speaker 3: You know that I love the middle lestance running to

1989
01:40:46,733 --> 01:40:49,133
Speaker 3: absolutely love it. But he is he is running at

1990
01:40:49,133 --> 01:40:51,533
Speaker 3: the moment the same kind of times, maybe even slightly

1991
01:40:51,613 --> 01:40:54,773
Speaker 3: faster than Jacobi Inger Britain was running. There's not a

1992
01:40:54,773 --> 01:40:57,533
Speaker 3: Norwegian fifteen hundred meter legend. Yeah, I mean, like at

1993
01:40:57,533 --> 01:41:00,653
Speaker 3: this age, you know, like which is it is just

1994
01:41:00,853 --> 01:41:02,773
Speaker 3: crazy that someone's pulling this off.

1995
01:41:02,613 --> 01:41:07,453
Speaker 25: Absolutely right, and and you know, seemingly totally unaffected by

1996
01:41:07,893 --> 01:41:10,253
Speaker 25: fifteen year old kid. I mean, my teenage son still

1997
01:41:10,293 --> 01:41:12,613
Speaker 25: leaves us closes everywhere. I wonder if Sam Ruth does. Yeah,

1998
01:41:12,733 --> 01:41:14,853
Speaker 25: is he a lot tidier? I don't know, I'll ask

1999
01:41:14,893 --> 01:41:15,293
Speaker 25: Ben Ruth.

2000
01:41:15,333 --> 01:41:18,133
Speaker 3: Baby. Yeah, very good because Ben was a good runner, yeah.

2001
01:41:18,493 --> 01:41:21,893
Speaker 25: Fully enough. He used to run again the big willis yeah.

2002
01:41:21,413 --> 01:41:21,573
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2003
01:41:21,733 --> 01:41:23,573
Speaker 25: So the two of them had some battles back in

2004
01:41:23,653 --> 01:41:26,253
Speaker 25: high school. And now I think Nick is helping Ben

2005
01:41:26,813 --> 01:41:29,693
Speaker 25: guide Sam. So it's a great community, the running community.

2006
01:41:29,733 --> 01:41:32,013
Speaker 3: My goodness, it has been a massive week Sport Massive

2007
01:41:32,013 --> 01:41:35,053
Speaker 3: Weekend still a head of course Blues Crusaders tonight. I

2008
01:41:35,093 --> 01:41:36,693
Speaker 3: know you'll be counting down to that, So looking forward

2009
01:41:36,693 --> 01:41:38,653
Speaker 3: to the show this afternoon. Thank you very much, sir,

2010
01:41:38,733 --> 01:41:40,613
Speaker 3: and all the very best for Monday when the All

2011
01:41:40,613 --> 01:41:43,533
Speaker 3: Whites have that decider. Of course, if they win, they'll

2012
01:41:43,533 --> 01:41:45,653
Speaker 3: be heading off the next year's World Cup. Cannot wait

2013
01:41:45,653 --> 01:41:47,413
Speaker 3: for that. I've got my tickets Piney, you'll be pleased

2014
01:41:47,413 --> 01:41:47,573
Speaker 3: to know.

2015
01:41:47,773 --> 01:41:50,133
Speaker 25: I'm pleased to know. Well, hopefully I can. I can

2016
01:41:50,173 --> 01:41:51,853
Speaker 25: somehow get on on a plane over there as well.

2017
01:41:51,933 --> 01:41:53,533
Speaker 25: Let's get Monday Night out of the way first. Oh,

2018
01:41:53,573 --> 01:41:54,853
Speaker 25: you mean your tickets to Monday.

2019
01:41:54,693 --> 01:41:59,173
Speaker 3: Monday Night World Cups. I'm at that stage of life

2020
01:41:59,213 --> 01:42:01,053
Speaker 3: with a one month old in the house where I'm

2021
01:42:01,053 --> 01:42:04,453
Speaker 3: not pitching any any dramatic boys trips to football World

2022
01:42:04,453 --> 01:42:07,133
Speaker 3: Cups or anything like that. It's all about timing one runs.

2023
01:42:08,053 --> 01:42:10,373
Speaker 3: You don't need to tell me ruth a test. I'm sure.

2024
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Speaker 3: Thanks all right, Looking forward to the start this afternoon.

2025
01:42:13,253 --> 01:42:15,733
Speaker 3: Jason Pine behind the Mike four Weekend support right after

2026
01:42:15,733 --> 01:42:19,173
Speaker 3: the midday news. Before midday, We've got Ruby, which is

2027
01:42:19,213 --> 01:42:22,373
Speaker 3: the new album from K pop star Jenny and your

2028
01:42:22,373 --> 01:42:23,573
Speaker 3: book picks for the week.

2029
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Speaker 1: Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on

2030
01:42:27,693 --> 01:42:29,853
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

2031
01:42:29,853 --> 01:42:33,013
Speaker 3: He'd be twenty two the twelve on news Talks, he'd

2032
01:42:33,013 --> 01:42:34,973
Speaker 3: be Katherine Rains is here with her book picks for

2033
01:42:35,053 --> 01:42:38,773
Speaker 3: this weekend. Hey Catherine, Morning Jack. Two quacking reads for us.

2034
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Speaker 3: Let's begin with Nesting by Royce and O'Donnell.

2035
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Speaker 26: So this is set in Ireland in twenty eighteen and

2036
01:42:45,973 --> 01:42:48,853
Speaker 26: Caara is married to Ryan. They've got two lovely young daughters,

2037
01:42:49,053 --> 01:42:51,893
Speaker 26: and her husband's quite handsome and charming on the outside,

2038
01:42:51,933 --> 01:42:54,293
Speaker 26: and they live in this beautiful house. But it's one

2039
01:42:54,293 --> 01:42:56,013
Speaker 26: of those stories where you don't really know what goes

2040
01:42:56,053 --> 01:42:59,533
Speaker 26: on behind closed doors. And Caara's sister and mother who

2041
01:42:59,653 --> 01:43:02,413
Speaker 26: live away in England, I don't know that something odd

2042
01:43:02,493 --> 01:43:06,093
Speaker 26: has been going on. And Ryan's been playing these very

2043
01:43:06,133 --> 01:43:11,013
Speaker 26: minutes plitive gaslighting, emotional abuse, and these mind games and

2044
01:43:11,053 --> 01:43:15,173
Speaker 26: abuse have played throughout their marriage, and she's slowly felt

2045
01:43:15,213 --> 01:43:17,893
Speaker 26: herself sense of self worth just disappear. And then one

2046
01:43:17,973 --> 01:43:21,413
Speaker 26: day where the constant tress awareness and this isolation just

2047
01:43:21,453 --> 01:43:24,213
Speaker 26: becomes too much, she realizes that she needs to get out,

2048
01:43:24,693 --> 01:43:26,453
Speaker 26: and so she grabs what's on the washing lines. She

2049
01:43:26,533 --> 01:43:29,013
Speaker 26: packs her car. She finds a handful of cash with

2050
01:43:29,093 --> 01:43:30,093
Speaker 26: the two girls.

2051
01:43:29,773 --> 01:43:30,533
Speaker 4: And she goes.

2052
01:43:31,053 --> 01:43:33,373
Speaker 26: And so she has no savings and no job and

2053
01:43:33,773 --> 01:43:36,453
Speaker 26: life looks pretty bleak, and they're first sleeping in her car,

2054
01:43:36,653 --> 01:43:38,453
Speaker 26: and then she becomes one of the many who rely

2055
01:43:38,973 --> 01:43:42,693
Speaker 26: on emergency accommodation, living in a hotel, and they need

2056
01:43:42,733 --> 01:43:44,613
Speaker 26: to find somewhere where they can call home, and that

2057
01:43:44,653 --> 01:43:46,813
Speaker 26: feels like a really distant dream, and they end up

2058
01:43:46,853 --> 01:43:49,213
Speaker 26: on these lists where no one ever calls. So Nesting's

2059
01:43:49,253 --> 01:43:52,213
Speaker 26: quite an emotional read, and it's quite tough, and you

2060
01:43:52,373 --> 01:43:56,573
Speaker 26: feel that loneliness and hopelessness of escaping this very toxic

2061
01:43:56,653 --> 01:43:59,493
Speaker 26: relationship and then you find yourself in the system that

2062
01:43:59,493 --> 01:44:02,653
Speaker 26: doesn't seem particularly helpful either. And it's about her strength

2063
01:44:02,773 --> 01:44:05,853
Speaker 26: and courage and it could have made a really depressing read,

2064
01:44:05,933 --> 01:44:08,613
Speaker 26: but there's also lots of love and hope and resilience

2065
01:44:08,653 --> 01:44:11,453
Speaker 26: and people that she meets, and it's about survival and

2066
01:44:11,493 --> 01:44:14,853
Speaker 26: reclaiming that identity and her sense of self, and yeah,

2067
01:44:15,133 --> 01:44:17,173
Speaker 26: sticks in your head and makes you think. And while

2068
01:44:17,213 --> 01:44:21,333
Speaker 26: this is set an Ireland, I feel like this would

2069
01:44:21,373 --> 01:44:23,253
Speaker 26: be like if you're living this kind of life in

2070
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Speaker 26: New Zealand. The stresses and the isolation and the fearfulness

2071
01:44:27,693 --> 01:44:29,213
Speaker 26: and being on these endless lists and.

2072
01:44:29,173 --> 01:44:30,373
Speaker 15: Not being able to find accommodation.

2073
01:44:30,733 --> 01:44:33,893
Speaker 26: I think that those things resonate right around the world.

2074
01:44:34,093 --> 01:44:38,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's often that kind of cultural comparison, which is curious.

2075
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

2076
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Speaker 3: Nice. So that's Nesting by Royce and O'Donnell. You've also

2077
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Speaker 3: read One hundred Years of Betty by Debra Oswald.

2078
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Speaker 26: So this is the story of this very clever woman

2079
01:44:48,253 --> 01:44:51,173
Speaker 26: who's really born in the wrong century and she's one

2080
01:44:51,213 --> 01:44:53,853
Speaker 26: of ten children and her and hew siblings live with

2081
01:44:53,893 --> 01:44:56,693
Speaker 26: their parents in Deptford and London and their poor and

2082
01:44:56,733 --> 01:45:00,173
Speaker 26: they find life even more desperate during the Blitz, And

2083
01:45:00,213 --> 01:45:02,813
Speaker 26: as a teenager, Betty decides that she's going to migrate

2084
01:45:02,893 --> 01:45:05,653
Speaker 26: to Australia for new life, and so she boards this

2085
01:45:05,733 --> 01:45:07,973
Speaker 26: boat and she's she's a cabin with two young women,

2086
01:45:08,093 --> 01:45:12,653
Speaker 26: a really lovely young lady called Pearl, another lady called Antheena,

2087
01:45:12,853 --> 01:45:16,093
Speaker 26: and she's traveling to Australia to marry Nick despite having

2088
01:45:16,133 --> 01:45:18,853
Speaker 26: ever met. And then there's this young Jewish woman, a

2089
01:45:18,893 --> 01:45:22,013
Speaker 26: guy called Leopold, and he's escaping the Holocaust and the

2090
01:45:22,013 --> 01:45:24,853
Speaker 26: ghosts of that, and then everybody ends up in Sydney.

2091
01:45:25,493 --> 01:45:28,373
Speaker 26: And then eighty years later, Betty's looking back on her life,

2092
01:45:28,413 --> 01:45:31,013
Speaker 26: that poor young girl from London, how she's grown up

2093
01:45:31,053 --> 01:45:34,133
Speaker 26: and witnessed and experienced all sorts of things from around

2094
01:45:34,173 --> 01:45:36,373
Speaker 26: the world during the Blitz and working as a waitress

2095
01:45:36,373 --> 01:45:40,013
Speaker 26: and being a wife, and about Vietnam, and then at

2096
01:45:40,013 --> 01:45:41,893
Speaker 26: one point she ends up in the world of TV

2097
01:45:42,093 --> 01:45:45,493
Speaker 26: being a screenwriter and despite all of those setbacks and

2098
01:45:45,653 --> 01:45:48,333
Speaker 26: things not going quite as plan, and she keeps putting

2099
01:45:48,373 --> 01:45:51,213
Speaker 26: one foot in front of the other. And I just

2100
01:45:51,293 --> 01:45:54,013
Speaker 26: love how this book feels like you're just sitting down

2101
01:45:54,093 --> 01:45:56,893
Speaker 26: having a conversation with Betty as she's telling me about

2102
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Speaker 26: her life and this tale of an ordinary woman who's strong, resists, resilient,

2103
01:46:01,093 --> 01:46:03,693
Speaker 26: funny and very humble, and it's just yet you just

2104
01:46:03,813 --> 01:46:07,693
Speaker 26: find yourself completely engrossed in her story and her eighty

2105
01:46:07,813 --> 01:46:08,973
Speaker 26: years that she's talking about.

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Speaker 3: Superb Okay, that's one hundred Years of Betty by Debra Oswalden,

2107
01:46:12,693 --> 01:46:15,693
Speaker 3: Catherine's first book pick for us this weekend Nesting by

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Speaker 3: Roys and O'Donnell. Both of those book titles and all

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Speaker 3: the details will be up at Newstalks he'db dot co

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Speaker 3: dot inzid. If you just want to find anything from

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Speaker 3: our show, anything we've been discussing, any of the recommendations

2112
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Speaker 3: that we share with you every Saturday, the easiest way

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Speaker 3: to do it is to go to News Talks, he'db

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Speaker 3: dot co dot inzeed Ford slash Jack. That will take

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Speaker 3: you raight straight through to our show page and we

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Speaker 3: get everything up on the website just as soon as

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Speaker 3: it's been on the radio. So that's the best place

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Speaker 3: to go. And a couple of minutes on News Talks,

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Speaker 3: heb We're going to play this new album by K

2120
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Speaker 3: pop star Jenny. The album's called Ruby. Right now, it's

2121
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Speaker 3: seventeen to twelve.

2122
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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to

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Speaker 1: us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bfewer dot co

2124
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Speaker 1: dot nzet for high quality supplements, News Talks b.

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Speaker 27: Comb beyond the Line, it's some bad It's for you,

2126
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Speaker 27: for you on.

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Speaker 3: This song is Star of War. It's by Jenny and

2128
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Speaker 3: Jenny's just released a brand new album called Ruby. Yestelle

2129
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Speaker 3: Clifford is our music reviewer. She's been listening. Hey Estelle,

2130
01:47:35,013 --> 01:47:37,893
Speaker 3: Oh hello, I don't know we've ever done a Korean

2131
01:47:37,893 --> 01:47:39,173
Speaker 3: pop star on our show before.

2132
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Speaker 28: I don't think we have done pop because generally they're

2133
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Speaker 28: a band as well. So Black Pink is what she

2134
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Speaker 28: originates from. And yeah, k pop's a really interesting thing.

2135
01:47:50,733 --> 01:47:55,693
Speaker 28: It's really high energy. It's really like these you know,

2136
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Speaker 28: they've usually rehearsed for a million kajillion hours before they

2137
01:47:58,773 --> 01:48:02,533
Speaker 28: do it live, and it's so slick and polished and clever.

2138
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Speaker 28: So I'm interested to see how a solo artist then

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Speaker 28: brings that kind of energy.

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Speaker 3: To what that is.

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Speaker 12: She's good.

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Speaker 28: I have thoroughly enjoyed this album. I think that what

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Speaker 28: has happened through all her training, So she went to

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Speaker 28: like this K pop school or I shouldn't. I guess

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Speaker 28: it's not just K pop, it's like entertainment.

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Speaker 12: But they do like six years.

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Speaker 28: Well, she did six years worth of training before she

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Speaker 28: even got into a band, and she says in some

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Speaker 28: of her interviews they basically every month would have to

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01:48:33,133 --> 01:48:37,213
Speaker 28: learn a song and a dance, like some real choreography,

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01:48:37,453 --> 01:48:40,933
Speaker 28: just really honing their skills to then be a live performance.

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01:48:41,013 --> 01:48:43,613
Speaker 28: So by the time she then does a band thing

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01:48:43,653 --> 01:48:46,053
Speaker 28: and then gets out to her solo stuff, I feel

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01:48:46,053 --> 01:48:49,133
Speaker 28: like she's really this is quite a confident album, like

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01:48:49,213 --> 01:48:51,773
Speaker 28: she really knows who she is and what it is

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01:48:51,813 --> 01:48:55,013
Speaker 28: that she wants to be. K Pop's really cool too

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01:48:55,053 --> 01:48:58,053
Speaker 28: because it kind of is genre blending, which I dare

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01:48:58,133 --> 01:49:00,493
Speaker 28: say a lot of artists kind of naturally do too.

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01:49:00,893 --> 01:49:03,373
Speaker 28: She leans quite a lot into and I think it's

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01:49:03,413 --> 01:49:06,453
Speaker 28: quite good for her, into her R and B slash rat.

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Speaker 12: Skills that she's got.

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Speaker 28: The rat skills came from the fact that she was

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01:49:11,453 --> 01:49:13,813
Speaker 28: one of the only ones training who knew how to

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01:49:14,693 --> 01:49:18,573
Speaker 28: fluently speak English, and lots of the songs they were

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Speaker 28: training and learning to copy like that's what they needed.

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Speaker 28: So it was like this accident till, hey, you should

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01:49:24,733 --> 01:49:28,133
Speaker 28: do more rap because you know what you're saying, which

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Speaker 28: is interesting because in K pop they obviously are bilingually,

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01:49:31,373 --> 01:49:36,333
Speaker 28: they flick into Korean and English. In her solo album here,

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Speaker 28: there's actually not much of that. She speaks mostly predominantly

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Speaker 28: English right throughout. But that thing for her that sort

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01:49:43,693 --> 01:49:45,973
Speaker 28: of put her on a path actually has worked really

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Speaker 28: well because I think she's quite good at it, and

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Speaker 28: I would I would say in her career she will

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01:49:51,773 --> 01:49:55,493
Speaker 28: delve more into that and more. Yeah, So heaps of

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01:49:56,173 --> 01:49:59,333
Speaker 28: elements of K pop is still there. I like the

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Speaker 28: the genre blending. She's done coleabs with big artists like

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Speaker 28: Adochi and do a Leaper. There's a song on here

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Speaker 28: called Zen and she's when you get to that song,

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01:50:10,453 --> 01:50:12,613
Speaker 28: she says, that's the song where she was like, after

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01:50:12,693 --> 01:50:15,613
Speaker 28: six months of work and putting songs together, that's the

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01:50:15,653 --> 01:50:18,013
Speaker 28: one that she was like, Okay, this whole album is

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01:50:18,053 --> 01:50:19,053
Speaker 28: actually going to come together.

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Speaker 12: And I get it.

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Speaker 28: She's the kind of person, quite perfectionist, where right up

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01:50:24,933 --> 01:50:27,413
Speaker 28: until I think two days before the album actually dropped,

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01:50:27,893 --> 01:50:31,293
Speaker 28: she was still working on it and deciding what was

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Speaker 28: a final cut.

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Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, it's as yeah, that kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: from the band culture.

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Speaker 28: Absolutely, and I think maybe that's also something that she'll

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01:50:42,533 --> 01:50:44,293
Speaker 28: learn to like eventually. You just have to sit with

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01:50:44,293 --> 01:50:45,973
Speaker 28: it and be quite truthful. And maybe that's the thing.

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Speaker 28: She has been quite truthful, and she probably feels a

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01:50:48,453 --> 01:50:51,653
Speaker 28: bit vulnerable about that. So you know, you want to

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01:50:51,653 --> 01:50:53,813
Speaker 28: be there right till that last minute, but eventually it

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01:50:53,893 --> 01:50:54,613
Speaker 28: just has to come out.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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01:50:55,533 --> 01:50:58,493
Speaker 28: There's some real good, high energy R and B hip

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01:50:58,493 --> 01:51:02,453
Speaker 28: hop sort of style. You can cut some shapes, do

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01:51:02,573 --> 01:51:05,453
Speaker 28: some crumping, and then you can also chill out sort

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Speaker 28: of near the end of the album, she gets into

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01:51:07,773 --> 01:51:10,973
Speaker 28: some really beautiful, almost ballady sort of style. Is a

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01:51:10,973 --> 01:51:14,573
Speaker 28: song called Twin that finishes off the album, and the

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01:51:14,613 --> 01:51:16,773
Speaker 28: way she says the word twin, it's like this really

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01:51:16,813 --> 01:51:20,933
Speaker 28: clever chime and ping over the music.

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01:51:21,653 --> 01:51:23,413
Speaker 15: I just really like the production in.

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01:51:23,333 --> 01:51:27,453
Speaker 28: It, and like that real beautiful, emotional kind of a

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Speaker 28: letter to somebody, almost like a sorry, yeah and yeah.

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01:51:31,373 --> 01:51:33,213
Speaker 28: So she's quite I feel like her lyrics have been

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01:51:33,253 --> 01:51:35,253
Speaker 28: quite a motive, although there's also some where you're just like,

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01:51:35,293 --> 01:51:37,733
Speaker 28: I don't know what the song's about. Do I need

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01:51:37,773 --> 01:51:40,053
Speaker 28: to know? Doesn't matter. It's got a great.

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01:51:39,893 --> 01:51:41,693
Speaker 3: Beat, Yeah, yeah, no.

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01:51:41,773 --> 01:51:42,293
Speaker 22: I that.

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01:51:44,293 --> 01:51:46,453
Speaker 28: Has actually really surprised me. I think I really enjoyed

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01:51:46,453 --> 01:51:50,453
Speaker 28: the energy. I've really enjoyed how confident she sounds in it.

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01:51:50,453 --> 01:51:53,653
Speaker 28: It's packed with super catchy tracks like just straight out

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01:51:53,653 --> 01:51:55,893
Speaker 28: the Gate You're in there like Jenny, has been a

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01:51:55,893 --> 01:51:59,693
Speaker 28: big single for her off this album. I think Rihanna

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01:52:01,253 --> 01:52:03,253
Speaker 28: Lauren Hill is one of the people she's inspired by.

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01:52:03,813 --> 01:52:06,013
Speaker 28: Sometimes she's been taken the mickey out of because I reckon.

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01:52:06,013 --> 01:52:08,533
Speaker 28: She has that like I don't care kind of thing

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01:52:08,533 --> 01:52:12,133
Speaker 28: about how Rihanna's a bit like that. Sometimes she's not invested.

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01:52:12,173 --> 01:52:14,253
Speaker 28: But I think maybe you just have to have a

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01:52:14,333 --> 01:52:17,173
Speaker 28: thing a toughness about yourself. People want to critique everything

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01:52:17,173 --> 01:52:17,373
Speaker 28: you do.

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01:52:17,493 --> 01:52:17,653
Speaker 7: Right.

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01:52:19,053 --> 01:52:21,693
Speaker 28: Yeah, I've really enjoyed it. I think it's it's just

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01:52:21,733 --> 01:52:23,453
Speaker 28: the energy that I kind of needed right now. And

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01:52:23,493 --> 01:52:26,133
Speaker 28: I've been really interested to see where she goes from

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01:52:26,213 --> 01:52:28,133
Speaker 28: being in that band for him to now being a

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01:52:28,173 --> 01:52:31,333
Speaker 28: solo artist. I think she's I mean, she's huge, and

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01:52:31,373 --> 01:52:33,693
Speaker 28: she's already everybody wants a piece of her.

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01:52:33,813 --> 01:52:35,253
Speaker 15: Everybody wants her to sell their product.

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01:52:35,853 --> 01:52:38,133
Speaker 12: That's part of K pop. You know, they're very influential

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01:52:38,453 --> 01:52:39,253
Speaker 12: in regards.

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01:52:38,973 --> 01:52:42,693
Speaker 28: To fashion and anything they touch sort of turns to

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01:52:42,733 --> 01:52:47,013
Speaker 28: gold or merchandising, slash making money off it. So what

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01:52:47,093 --> 01:52:48,693
Speaker 28: did you protects herself and that a little bit?

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01:52:48,853 --> 01:52:50,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what did you give it?

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01:52:51,333 --> 01:52:53,253
Speaker 28: This is a huge surprise to me, but I'm going

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01:52:53,293 --> 01:52:54,413
Speaker 28: to give it a teen out of ten.

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01:52:54,493 --> 01:52:55,013
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:52:55,573 --> 01:52:56,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, good for you.

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01:52:57,613 --> 01:53:01,293
Speaker 28: Really great listen everything about it, because she has just

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01:53:01,413 --> 01:53:03,133
Speaker 28: really put her heart and soul into.

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01:53:02,933 --> 01:53:04,933
Speaker 3: This superb Yeah.

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01:53:04,933 --> 01:53:05,893
Speaker 12: I kindly enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Look open minded as you know, famously open minded on

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01:53:09,053 --> 01:53:11,453
Speaker 3: Saturday morning. So okay, we'll get a bit more of

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01:53:11,493 --> 01:53:12,413
Speaker 3: a listen in a couple of minutes.

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01:53:12,413 --> 01:53:13,133
Speaker 12: Thank you so much.

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01:53:13,373 --> 01:53:16,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. So the album is Ruby Jenny and

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Speaker 3: it's Jenny I E with the is the artist. So

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01:53:19,373 --> 01:53:21,453
Speaker 3: j E N N I E is the artist. You'll

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01:53:21,453 --> 01:53:23,213
Speaker 3: probably see her every where. Now we'll have a bit

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01:53:23,293 --> 01:53:24,773
Speaker 3: more of a listener in a couple of minutes. On

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01:53:24,813 --> 01:53:26,853
Speaker 3: News Talks, he'd be but ten out of tennist now

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01:53:26,933 --> 01:53:29,693
Speaker 3: reckons it's worth which is saying something. Indeed, right now

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01:53:29,733 --> 01:53:32,533
Speaker 3: it's nine to twelve, a.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with Jack

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Speaker 1: News Talk said, b.

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. The sport just never ends this weekend.

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01:53:43,973 --> 01:53:47,893
Speaker 3: So we've got the Highlanders read about four thirty this afternoon,

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01:53:48,773 --> 01:53:51,853
Speaker 3: Blues Crusaders kicking off just after seven o'clock. Of course,

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01:53:51,893 --> 01:53:54,413
Speaker 3: Liam Lawson and the China Grand Prix, hopefully going to

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01:53:54,413 --> 01:53:58,133
Speaker 3: improve on his qualifying if it's there. Jason Pine is

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01:53:58,133 --> 01:54:00,613
Speaker 3: going to be taking you through the afternoon with weekend Sport.

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01:54:00,693 --> 01:54:04,893
Speaker 3: He will be reviewing that All Whites performance last night

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01:54:05,453 --> 01:54:08,653
Speaker 3: seven nil against Fiji, a dominant performance to say the least.

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01:54:08,653 --> 01:54:10,573
Speaker 3: But the match that really met us I suppose is

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01:54:10,613 --> 01:54:13,133
Speaker 3: the match on Monday night at Eden Park. If they

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01:54:13,173 --> 01:54:16,933
Speaker 3: win that they have guaranteed qualification to next year's Football

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01:54:16,973 --> 01:54:20,973
Speaker 3: World Cup, which would be fantastic. Thank you so much

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01:54:21,093 --> 01:54:23,573
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01:54:40,653 --> 01:54:43,693
Speaker 3: I'm back with you next Saturday morning from nine until then,

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01:54:43,773 --> 01:54:47,533
Speaker 3: We're gonna leave you with Jenny. Her brand new album

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01:54:47,773 --> 01:54:51,173
Speaker 3: is a Ruby. This is with the Ie That's the

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01:54:51,253 --> 01:54:55,373
Speaker 3: name of the song. There you Go, Season Crime.

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01:54:55,173 --> 01:54:59,613
Speaker 29: Hell, let Us, There we Go, Judgment, touch or Tashy Flow, Pasty,

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01:54:59,813 --> 01:55:03,173
Speaker 29: Flashy Waves, Job and Multi Bowls, Togain on Monday, what

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01:55:03,333 --> 01:55:08,773
Speaker 29: your Way by revaluating me on your day Up, Sun set.

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01:55:08,653 --> 01:55:14,013
Speaker 19: Up, Funny Prospect Child, Hit a Slack Turns, out play

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01:55:14,213 --> 01:55:18,693
Speaker 19: about the way coum.

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Speaker 29: Go shot fire Away to the true Flag, Benify Girl,

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01:55:24,493 --> 01:55:30,013
Speaker 29: pay the way Timmy Kimmy, I was minute go shot

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01:55:30,173 --> 01:55:35,373
Speaker 29: fire Away House to the true flatf girl broke top.

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01:55:35,453 --> 01:55:40,493
Speaker 19: When I party turned like a dysy.

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01:55:41,133 --> 01:55:44,253
Speaker 3: Around me, send it around me, breath, I can lley.

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Speaker 19: It seems I got to throw hold on him everybody,

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01:55:47,813 --> 01:55:49,653
Speaker 19: So when to do it on the problem.

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01:55:50,133 --> 01:55:52,293
Speaker 9: Gave you someone Tennis, give us bull Brotten.

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Speaker 27: I'm dressed out me.

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01:55:53,853 --> 01:55:55,373
Speaker 13: In the trending topic.

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01:55:59,813 --> 01:56:12,853
Speaker 29: Saying conspect the angel am.

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01:56:11,693 --> 01:56:15,613
Speaker 13: Go on, come come give me a kiss up.

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Speaker 27: Bay Away.

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