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Speaker 1: Gavin Gray, UK correspondent with me, hey, Devin hither Now

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Speaker 1: interesting that Keirstam has got involved in the social media

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Speaker 1: via the police thing, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's one of these things that he's

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Speaker 2: on the plane on the way to the G twenty

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Speaker 2: summit to meet President She and others, and you know,

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Speaker 2: all the journalists asking him about what's in the news

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Speaker 2: and what's he going to say to she and what's

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Speaker 2: been in the news here is that a Daily Telegraph journalist,

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Speaker 2: now the Daily Telegraph is a rite of center newspaper,

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Speaker 2: in other words, is probably not a great support of

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Speaker 2: the Prime minister. A Daily Telegraph journalist was questioned on

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Speaker 2: Remembrance Sunday. Her doorbell went at home in the evening

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Speaker 2: and she was questioned about a social media post from

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Speaker 2: one year ago. And plenty of people saying, look, what

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Speaker 2: are the police doing with their time? We told there

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Speaker 2: aren't enough police to investigate burglaries and they always seem stretched,

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Speaker 2: and yet here they are complaining, you know, going to

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Speaker 2: seek out somebody who said something which somebody else might

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Speaker 2: have been offended by over a year year ago. The

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister said this is a matter for the police.

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Speaker 2: The police, by police do this, but he said, obviously

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Speaker 2: with a review going on about social media as a general,

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Speaker 2: principally said the police should concentrate on what matters most

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Speaker 2: of their communities. Well, let me assure you that for

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Speaker 2: most people I know, in fact, for everyone I know,

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Speaker 2: that isn't spending police time going to question a woman

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Speaker 2: about a social media post a year ago. It is

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Speaker 2: instead trying to tackle crime on the streets and burglaries

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Speaker 2: and muggings and things like that. And indeed, it's interesting

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Speaker 2: that the police have requested this journalist, Alison Pearson, to

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Speaker 2: attend a voluntary interview, and she says, quite frankly, I'm

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Speaker 2: minded to do it, but with a legal representation.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Kevin, why is it that the cops are

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Speaker 1: going so had on social media? Because I'm even thinking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, during the protests that you guys had recently,

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Speaker 1: whatever the incident was, and people were saying things about

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Speaker 1: blowing up mosques and they were going to jail for

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Speaker 1: like longer than people who'd actually committed crimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think think this is something actually that although

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Speaker 2: this government might deny it, I think this is something

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Speaker 2: that this government is really pushing they are trying to

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Speaker 2: sort of get rid of any thing that might be

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Speaker 2: deemed to be discriminatory to any way, shape or form,

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Speaker 2: or insulting or inciting any particular acts. And so consequently, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: plenty of people believe that free speech, particularly on social media,

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Speaker 2: has really been cut back. And the number of times

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Speaker 2: I hear somebody say something and then say, of course

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Speaker 2: you I shouldn't really be saying that, and you think, well,

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Speaker 2: actually that's your opinion. You know, you're entitled to an opinion,

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Speaker 2: but it would have seemed not so so much on

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Speaker 2: social media.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Hey, why is the pope getting involved in the

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Speaker 1: Gaza situation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Very interesting. This The Pope's got a book of

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Speaker 2: letters is coming out in which the Pope's work is

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Speaker 2: part of that. It's been partly published by the Italian

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Speaker 2: newspaper A Stamper. The book is coming out tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: in that there are some bits from pope answers. And

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Speaker 2: the excerpt that we have from this is that he

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Speaker 2: said there should be an investigation on whether Israel has

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Speaker 2: committed genocide in Gaza. The head of the Catholic Church said,

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Speaker 2: and I quote, according to some experts, what is happening

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Speaker 2: in Gaza has the characteristics of genocide, and the eighty

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Speaker 2: seven year old continues we should investigate carefully to determine

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Speaker 2: whether it fits into the technical definition formulated by juris

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Speaker 2: and international bodies. So this is quite an outspoken thing obviously.

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Speaker 2: Normally the church tends not to comment on world politics

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Speaker 2: and one thing on another and I think obviously will

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Speaker 2: rub up the wrong way some from other faiths around

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, Devin, As always, thank you, will have a

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Speaker 1: check you in a couple of days. Again, look after yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's Kevin Gray, UK correspondence.

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