1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:13,333 Speaker 1: from News Talks at b We are. 3 00:00:13,293 --> 00:00:16,093 Speaker 2: Kicking off this hour talking about well being and no 4 00:00:16,133 --> 00:00:17,933 Speaker 2: doubt you might be one of those people that spends 5 00:00:17,933 --> 00:00:21,293 Speaker 2: a bit of time over the holidays reflecting on the 6 00:00:21,373 --> 00:00:23,853 Speaker 2: year that's been and looking ahead to the year. You 7 00:00:23,853 --> 00:00:27,133 Speaker 2: know at to twenty twenty five. You may be the 8 00:00:27,213 --> 00:00:29,613 Speaker 2: kind of person that puts New Year's resolutions in place. Well, 9 00:00:29,653 --> 00:00:31,413 Speaker 2: maybe you just take a little bit more time to 10 00:00:31,413 --> 00:00:34,693 Speaker 2: think about some As I know, it is quite trendy 11 00:00:34,853 --> 00:00:36,853 Speaker 2: these days to do. You do your en list and 12 00:00:36,893 --> 00:00:39,413 Speaker 2: your outlist for twenty twenty five. You look at the 13 00:00:39,413 --> 00:00:41,613 Speaker 2: things you're going to bring into your life, look at 14 00:00:41,653 --> 00:00:43,853 Speaker 2: the things are going to get out of your life. Anyway, 15 00:00:43,973 --> 00:00:45,853 Speaker 2: you might just kind of want a little bit of 16 00:00:46,493 --> 00:00:49,053 Speaker 2: you know, I like this word mph to get into 17 00:00:49,093 --> 00:00:53,173 Speaker 2: the year. So joining us now is Doogle Sutherland. Good morning, 18 00:00:53,253 --> 00:00:54,613 Speaker 2: Nice to talk to you again. 19 00:00:56,613 --> 00:00:57,853 Speaker 3: Us to talk to you as well. 20 00:00:59,253 --> 00:01:00,653 Speaker 2: How was your twenty twenty. 21 00:01:00,373 --> 00:01:05,813 Speaker 3: Four Oh it was not one that I would want 22 00:01:05,853 --> 00:01:10,813 Speaker 3: to repeat again, except so I said to somebody the 23 00:01:10,853 --> 00:01:13,613 Speaker 3: other day. The first ten months were rubbish. The last 24 00:01:13,613 --> 00:01:17,613 Speaker 3: two were pretty good. That's good. Yeah, on balance, I 25 00:01:17,653 --> 00:01:20,973 Speaker 3: don't think I would want to have another. The only 26 00:01:21,013 --> 00:01:23,413 Speaker 3: bright spark and it came at the very, very very 27 00:01:23,613 --> 00:01:26,973 Speaker 3: end is we welcomed our first grandchild. 28 00:01:26,533 --> 00:01:29,493 Speaker 2: Into wonderful. 29 00:01:30,373 --> 00:01:30,733 Speaker 1: Clarence. 30 00:01:31,413 --> 00:01:33,853 Speaker 2: It doesn't get you know, more joyful than that, does it. 31 00:01:34,413 --> 00:01:36,493 Speaker 3: No? No, So that was that was a nice way 32 00:01:36,493 --> 00:01:38,333 Speaker 3: to end the year. But apart from that, I don't 33 00:01:38,333 --> 00:01:39,893 Speaker 3: think i'd want to repeat the rest of it. No. 34 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:41,253 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people have felt the 35 00:01:41,293 --> 00:01:43,653 Speaker 2: same way. You know, we've had job losses, you know, 36 00:01:43,693 --> 00:01:48,373 Speaker 2: with its economic times are tough. You know, people you 37 00:01:48,413 --> 00:01:52,373 Speaker 2: know are really sort of struggling to remain positive in things. 38 00:01:52,413 --> 00:01:54,413 Speaker 2: And I think when you you know, heading into a 39 00:01:54,453 --> 00:01:57,173 Speaker 2: new year is a great time, isn't it doogle to 40 00:01:57,253 --> 00:01:59,253 Speaker 2: sort of start having a think about the year ahead 41 00:01:59,293 --> 00:02:02,693 Speaker 2: and the changes that you'd like to make. What are 42 00:02:02,733 --> 00:02:05,293 Speaker 2: some of your top tips for starting the year. 43 00:02:05,333 --> 00:02:09,893 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well I've got I've got pulled together five tips. 44 00:02:10,453 --> 00:02:13,933 Speaker 3: Now I should say don't if you're listening, don't try 45 00:02:13,973 --> 00:02:18,013 Speaker 3: and do all five because you'll probably spectacularly fail at 46 00:02:18,053 --> 00:02:21,613 Speaker 3: all of them and then you'll feel terrible. So I 47 00:02:21,653 --> 00:02:26,093 Speaker 3: think choose one, maybe two that resonate with you, and 48 00:02:26,133 --> 00:02:28,133 Speaker 3: I think you're right. You know, this time of the year, 49 00:02:28,173 --> 00:02:30,093 Speaker 3: we've got a little bit of extra time. On her hand, 50 00:02:30,133 --> 00:02:33,293 Speaker 3: it's not a bad time to stop and reflect. I 51 00:02:33,333 --> 00:02:35,173 Speaker 3: think the very first thing, and actually it was something 52 00:02:35,213 --> 00:02:37,893 Speaker 3: my wife said to me the other day we both 53 00:02:37,893 --> 00:02:40,533 Speaker 3: started back at work, and she said she she had 54 00:02:40,573 --> 00:02:42,333 Speaker 3: to sort of rally herself to get out of a 55 00:02:42,373 --> 00:02:44,413 Speaker 3: car in the morning when she got to work, but 56 00:02:44,493 --> 00:02:47,853 Speaker 3: she reminded herself that she was thankful that she actually 57 00:02:47,893 --> 00:02:51,333 Speaker 3: had a job. And for many people, of course, last year, 58 00:02:51,573 --> 00:02:53,693 Speaker 3: whether you're in the public or the private sector, there 59 00:02:53,733 --> 00:02:56,373 Speaker 3: was job losses and job cuts, and I know some 60 00:02:56,533 --> 00:02:59,133 Speaker 3: might still be continuing. So I think that might be 61 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:01,413 Speaker 3: the first thing I would say is count your blessings. 62 00:03:01,653 --> 00:03:04,373 Speaker 3: If you've got a job, then be thankful for it. 63 00:03:04,013 --> 00:03:06,373 Speaker 3: It's maybe it's not the best job that you've ever had, 64 00:03:06,413 --> 00:03:08,173 Speaker 3: and maybe you want to change and that's okay, but 65 00:03:08,493 --> 00:03:10,933 Speaker 3: be thankful that you've actually got a job, because many 66 00:03:10,973 --> 00:03:14,133 Speaker 3: people don't or at least lost their job last year. 67 00:03:14,893 --> 00:03:18,773 Speaker 2: My guess this is Google Sutherland, principal psychologist and CEO 68 00:03:18,973 --> 00:03:22,413 Speaker 2: of Umbrella Well Being no very good point you make 69 00:03:22,453 --> 00:03:25,053 Speaker 2: their Google and if it's not the job you want. 70 00:03:25,093 --> 00:03:26,373 Speaker 2: You've got all the time in the years to make 71 00:03:26,413 --> 00:03:28,493 Speaker 2: some plans to get the job you do want. But 72 00:03:28,613 --> 00:03:30,653 Speaker 2: it is always good just to go hang on a minute. 73 00:03:31,253 --> 00:03:33,373 Speaker 2: You know, the world's not falling apart. I've still got 74 00:03:33,413 --> 00:03:33,733 Speaker 2: my job. 75 00:03:33,773 --> 00:03:35,813 Speaker 3: The world's done. I've still got a job, I've still 76 00:03:35,813 --> 00:03:38,573 Speaker 3: got some income. Look, I think if you have got 77 00:03:38,573 --> 00:03:41,773 Speaker 3: a job, then then one thing I really liked to do, 78 00:03:41,813 --> 00:03:44,333 Speaker 3: and I did it earlier in the week, was plan 79 00:03:44,453 --> 00:03:47,653 Speaker 3: out your holidays for the year as best as you can. 80 00:03:48,573 --> 00:03:50,653 Speaker 3: And I know there are lots of hacks around this, 81 00:03:51,533 --> 00:03:53,653 Speaker 3: like hacks, I think, And one thing I like to 82 00:03:53,653 --> 00:03:56,053 Speaker 3: do is have a look through the year. When are 83 00:03:56,053 --> 00:03:59,933 Speaker 3: the public holidays falling? Can I take a day, you know, 84 00:04:00,053 --> 00:04:02,813 Speaker 3: before that to convert a three day weekend into an 85 00:04:02,813 --> 00:04:05,973 Speaker 3: actual four day weekend, which feels a bit bigger. When 86 00:04:06,013 --> 00:04:08,133 Speaker 3: are the big gaps, Like I noticed, there's a big 87 00:04:08,173 --> 00:04:10,373 Speaker 3: gap from July to October where there are ant any 88 00:04:10,413 --> 00:04:13,333 Speaker 3: public holidays at all. So make sure that you've got 89 00:04:13,333 --> 00:04:16,933 Speaker 3: some leave scheduled into those times. I try and make 90 00:04:16,933 --> 00:04:19,133 Speaker 3: sure that I'm taking some time off, even if it's 91 00:04:19,173 --> 00:04:22,173 Speaker 3: a day, about every six weeks, just to keep those 92 00:04:22,213 --> 00:04:25,693 Speaker 3: batteries recharged. Otherwise, you know, your year gets busy, your 93 00:04:25,693 --> 00:04:27,613 Speaker 3: diary gets filled, and by the time you know it, 94 00:04:27,613 --> 00:04:29,533 Speaker 3: you go, oh gee, it's it's October and I haven't 95 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:31,973 Speaker 3: taken any leave. So do a bit of planning ahead. 96 00:04:31,973 --> 00:04:35,733 Speaker 3: That would be my second tip. My third tip would be, 97 00:04:36,453 --> 00:04:38,813 Speaker 3: and I started doing this myself a couple of years ago, 98 00:04:39,493 --> 00:04:42,653 Speaker 3: make a daily list. And imagine there are three columns 99 00:04:42,653 --> 00:04:45,173 Speaker 3: in this list. So you've got you have to do things. 100 00:04:45,893 --> 00:04:47,813 Speaker 3: Those are things obviously that you know you've got to 101 00:04:47,813 --> 00:04:52,333 Speaker 3: go today. Then the second or the second columns hope 102 00:04:52,373 --> 00:04:54,333 Speaker 3: to what are the things that I hope to do today. 103 00:04:54,573 --> 00:04:55,933 Speaker 3: I don't have to do them, and if I get 104 00:04:55,973 --> 00:04:58,573 Speaker 3: to them, that's great. And the third column, this is 105 00:04:58,653 --> 00:05:00,533 Speaker 3: this is the key one, I think, is what do 106 00:05:00,573 --> 00:05:02,213 Speaker 3: I love? What am I going to do today that 107 00:05:02,293 --> 00:05:04,453 Speaker 3: I love to do today? And that might just be 108 00:05:04,493 --> 00:05:06,733 Speaker 3: one thing. It might be something that you're doing work, 109 00:05:06,813 --> 00:05:08,693 Speaker 3: or it might be something you're doing at home or 110 00:05:08,693 --> 00:05:11,373 Speaker 3: with the family or in the evening. But make sure 111 00:05:11,413 --> 00:05:14,933 Speaker 3: that at least once a day there's something that's filling 112 00:05:15,013 --> 00:05:19,013 Speaker 3: up your cup of goodness of well being, that's something 113 00:05:19,013 --> 00:05:22,053 Speaker 3: that you're actually enjoying because I think otherwise, if we're 114 00:05:22,093 --> 00:05:24,373 Speaker 3: just doing all the have tos, we can sometimes feel 115 00:05:24,373 --> 00:05:26,653 Speaker 3: a bit drained by the time we come to the 116 00:05:26,733 --> 00:05:27,173 Speaker 3: end of the day. 117 00:05:27,213 --> 00:05:30,133 Speaker 2: Now, that makes a list a lot more appealing, and 118 00:05:30,173 --> 00:05:31,733 Speaker 2: it makes you it sort of makes you want to 119 00:05:31,813 --> 00:05:33,973 Speaker 2: encourage to write the list for the next day. That 120 00:05:34,293 --> 00:05:36,573 Speaker 2: taking a bit of the pressure off with the have 121 00:05:36,733 --> 00:05:38,013 Speaker 2: to and the hope to as well. 122 00:05:38,933 --> 00:05:40,773 Speaker 3: It does Yeah, and I think you can go back 123 00:05:40,813 --> 00:05:42,493 Speaker 3: and track it and say, oh, have I done anything 124 00:05:42,493 --> 00:05:45,053 Speaker 3: that I've loved to do in the live day or 125 00:05:45,053 --> 00:05:49,053 Speaker 3: two or g I haven't, I think too. You know, 126 00:05:49,093 --> 00:05:51,053 Speaker 3: as we talked about a fourth that it would be 127 00:05:51,093 --> 00:05:53,813 Speaker 3: just take some time to reflect on the year. What 128 00:05:54,013 --> 00:05:57,253 Speaker 3: did you learn from it, particularly if it was a 129 00:05:57,293 --> 00:05:59,813 Speaker 3: time of change for you? I think often when we've 130 00:05:59,813 --> 00:06:02,453 Speaker 3: been through a big time of change, our tendency is 131 00:06:02,453 --> 00:06:04,253 Speaker 3: to just sort of try and forget about it. God, 132 00:06:04,293 --> 00:06:05,893 Speaker 3: that was awful. I just don't want to think about 133 00:06:05,933 --> 00:06:09,693 Speaker 3: it again. But if it's if it's if you're okay 134 00:06:09,733 --> 00:06:12,013 Speaker 3: emotionally to go back there and it's not it's not 135 00:06:12,093 --> 00:06:16,173 Speaker 3: too distressing, go back and think about Okay, actually, let's 136 00:06:16,213 --> 00:06:19,413 Speaker 3: have a look at the year. What what what did 137 00:06:19,413 --> 00:06:21,813 Speaker 3: I learn from the year, What if if if I 138 00:06:22,053 --> 00:06:24,813 Speaker 3: was confronted with a similar situation again in the future, 139 00:06:25,373 --> 00:06:28,253 Speaker 3: what would I do the same? And is there anything 140 00:06:28,253 --> 00:06:30,173 Speaker 3: that I would not do? Is there any sort of 141 00:06:30,253 --> 00:06:33,533 Speaker 3: lessons that I've learned from this year that I would 142 00:06:33,573 --> 00:06:37,053 Speaker 3: not want to repeat and and sort of use those 143 00:06:37,093 --> 00:06:39,613 Speaker 3: as a guiding list as to how you perhaps might 144 00:06:39,813 --> 00:06:42,693 Speaker 3: approach the next big change that's going to come up 145 00:06:42,693 --> 00:06:43,253 Speaker 3: in life. 146 00:06:43,493 --> 00:06:48,693 Speaker 2: Whenever I whenever I read Google about happiness and things, 147 00:06:48,693 --> 00:06:51,733 Speaker 2: and you look at some of the extremely long longevity 148 00:06:51,773 --> 00:06:54,813 Speaker 2: program studies which take place in the in the United 149 00:06:54,813 --> 00:06:57,453 Speaker 2: States and things, They'll often say to you when they've 150 00:06:57,453 --> 00:07:00,653 Speaker 2: looked at generations of people that the thing that makes 151 00:07:00,733 --> 00:07:02,413 Speaker 2: them most happy at the end of the day, it's 152 00:07:02,453 --> 00:07:05,293 Speaker 2: not money or what they achieved or anything like that, 153 00:07:05,693 --> 00:07:08,533 Speaker 2: it's the cans in the relationships that they have with 154 00:07:08,613 --> 00:07:10,413 Speaker 2: people in their lives. And I see that this is 155 00:07:10,493 --> 00:07:11,493 Speaker 2: kind of your fifth tip. 156 00:07:13,013 --> 00:07:17,093 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think you know relationships are key and 157 00:07:17,133 --> 00:07:22,493 Speaker 3: that they glue us together really and but not all 158 00:07:22,533 --> 00:07:28,973 Speaker 3: relationships are created equal, and sometimes relationships the quality ones. Yeah, 159 00:07:29,093 --> 00:07:32,093 Speaker 3: sometimes we're in relationships that maybe don't bring out the 160 00:07:32,133 --> 00:07:35,053 Speaker 3: best in us or that we're simply kind of you know, 161 00:07:35,093 --> 00:07:37,933 Speaker 3: we're in because we kind of feel a sense of 162 00:07:37,973 --> 00:07:42,373 Speaker 3: obligation and weirdly. One of my tips is actually think about, 163 00:07:42,373 --> 00:07:45,573 Speaker 3: are there any relationships that perhaps aren't the best for 164 00:07:45,613 --> 00:07:48,493 Speaker 3: you to be in? And maybe should you think about 165 00:07:49,173 --> 00:07:52,733 Speaker 3: just not ghosting somebody, but just sort of turning down 166 00:07:52,773 --> 00:07:55,213 Speaker 3: the heat on a relationship. Are there any relationships that 167 00:07:55,253 --> 00:07:57,813 Speaker 3: you kind of think, actually, when I'm around this person 168 00:07:57,853 --> 00:08:00,173 Speaker 3: that doesn't always go well, I kind of don't really 169 00:08:00,293 --> 00:08:02,973 Speaker 3: enjoy it, We don't really get anything out of it, 170 00:08:04,093 --> 00:08:06,093 Speaker 3: And actually maybe it's not one of those want to 171 00:08:06,213 --> 00:08:08,813 Speaker 3: best a lot of time and look, it's okay to 172 00:08:08,853 --> 00:08:11,213 Speaker 3: do that, I mean, do it politely, do it kindly, 173 00:08:11,813 --> 00:08:13,773 Speaker 3: and as you don't have to ghost people. But maybe 174 00:08:13,933 --> 00:08:17,013 Speaker 3: it's there comes to time sometimes when we want to 175 00:08:17,013 --> 00:08:20,733 Speaker 3: focus on the quality, as you mentioned, rather than the quantity. 176 00:08:20,493 --> 00:08:23,693 Speaker 3: So that might be another thing for people to consider 177 00:08:23,813 --> 00:08:25,413 Speaker 3: as they go into this new year. 178 00:08:25,893 --> 00:08:28,493 Speaker 2: Wonderful tips for us. Thank you so much, Doogle, nice 179 00:08:28,493 --> 00:08:30,733 Speaker 2: to catch up with your doggle as a principal psychologist 180 00:08:30,773 --> 00:08:33,253 Speaker 2: and CEO of Umbrella Well Being. 181 00:08:33,933 --> 00:08:37,013 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 182 00:08:37,093 --> 00:08:40,293 Speaker 1: to News talks 'b from nine am Saturday, or follow 183 00:08:40,333 --> 00:08:41,893 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio