Speaker 1: Live from the ex Bord Bear Garden Studios. Sho're listening
Speaker 1: to the BYC where we'll be reflecting on the surprise
Speaker 1: standdown of Skipper Tim Salvee and the hiding and flicted
Speaker 1: on our boys over in Sri Lankap. We try to
Speaker 1: when we can take the positives out of any given match.
Speaker 1: Apart from Cleaver, of course, it gets the knives out
Speaker 1: at the minutest show of weakness, but we are hard
Speaker 1: pressed on this occasion to find any shining light. It
Speaker 1: was a comprehensive defeat and even though we showed some
Speaker 1: fight in the second innings that merely highlighted how poorly
Speaker 1: we batted in the first. It's hard not to look
Speaker 1: ahead with a fair amount of pessimism as we eye
Speaker 1: the mighty Indians, where a three zip humiliation looks very
Speaker 1: much on the cards. Well, fellas er Tim Salvee standing down? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can I read? From the New Zealand two? By all,
Speaker 2: Tim Sauvie has stepped down as Black Caps Test captain,
Speaker 2: with Tom Lathan confirmed to take up the role full time. Latham,
Speaker 2: who was captain the Test side on nine previous occasions,
Speaker 2: will lead a fifteen strong Test squad including Sauvi, to
Speaker 2: India next Friday. Savvia has played one hundred and two
Speaker 2: Tests for the black Caps, is debuting in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, claiming three hundred and eighty two wickets, second
Speaker 2: only to Sir Richard Hadley. It goes on to say
Speaker 2: that he is captain and fallen Tests with six wins,
Speaker 2: six losses to draws, which is a fairly seven split.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty good record for a New Zealand skipper actually.
Speaker 2: Since taking over from Cam Williamson in December twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: and he said the decision to step down was made
Speaker 2: in the best interests of the team. There are a
Speaker 2: few anodyne quotes about how he can best serve the
Speaker 2: team by concentrating on taking wickets and getting back into form.
Speaker 2: He will, and he will give Tom Tiger, Tom Latham
Speaker 2: the head boy has.
Speaker 1: Absolute support, absolute.
Speaker 2: Support and backing, just as Tom did to him.
Speaker 1: Well, look, you know I made a comment on an
Speaker 1: acc post Paul Ford. He's been an absolute stallion for
Speaker 1: this New Zealand side. He's been a great player and
Speaker 1: has quite an impressive record. And you know we pointed
Speaker 1: out on the BYC that his last three series have
Speaker 1: just been dreadful, and you know, and when you look
Speaker 1: at lightful like I e. Henry versus salve You've got
Speaker 1: to say that Henry's probably the more form player. Gives
Speaker 1: us more options there. I mean, is this the end
Speaker 1: for Tim Salvee or you know, he obviously wants to
Speaker 1: carry on as a player, but is it time to move?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one. It's a bit vague I
Speaker 3: think as to whether he is going to continue, will
Speaker 3: he be selected, will he be available, does he want
Speaker 3: to play in India or does he not want to
Speaker 3: be that sort of ghost haunting the team as Tom
Speaker 3: Latham takes the reins. Important to note that the Latham
Speaker 3: appointment is not permanent. It's only for this Indian series,
Speaker 3: so kind of leaves the door a jarft for some
Speaker 3: more change down the track. Potentially. I imagine he'd be pretty
Speaker 3: I mean, if I just look at statistics, and I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's motivated by statistics. I think he's
Speaker 3: genuinely motivated by wanting to help New Zealand win matches.
Speaker 3: But you know, he is three hundred and eighty two
Speaker 3: not out on the test wicket pilot the moment, so
Speaker 3: the lure of four hundred. The Richard Hadley number looks
Speaker 3: four three two looks a bit far off, to be honest,
Speaker 3: He's got a good average in India, but yeah, will
Speaker 3: he go there? Look, I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 3: he won't go to India. Have some time and then
Speaker 3: he'll be really keen to play that home series, but
Speaker 3: maybe not play all those matches against England and a
Speaker 3: bit of a farewell over sort of in December for
Speaker 3: Tim South the absolute store of our game, particularly in test.
Speaker 1: Cricket, Dylan, do we have that luxury with Tim to
Speaker 1: sort of let him decide I may or may not play.
Speaker 1: I mean it feels to me like it's time to
Speaker 1: move on. Well, and that's from a fan of Tim Southey's.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What I'm a little bit confused about is they're very
Speaker 2: high up. In their NCCA press release, they made it
Speaker 2: pretty clear he was going to India, right. Yes, they
Speaker 2: would pick a fifteen man squad and it would include
Speaker 2: Tom Southey, And I think they're pretty anxious to avoid
Speaker 2: any perception of a palace coup in some respects like
Speaker 2: we had with the Taylor McCullum situation. And then Taylor,
Speaker 2: who I thought was maybe not the best advised back then,
Speaker 2: didn't go to South Africa and it looked a little petulant.
Speaker 2: And then we had that whole thing about reintegrating Ross
Speaker 2: into the team and it became just a saga in itself.
Speaker 2: I think they'd be pretty anxious to avoid any perception
Speaker 2: that there's something similar going on here.
Speaker 3: It feels like a humble act from Southeast. Actually it
Speaker 3: genuinely does to me.
Speaker 2: Yes, I guess it wasn't tenuous in tenable Sorry, him
Speaker 2: continuing as captain with the form that he had correct
Speaker 2: because you just couldn't keep picking a bowler who at
Speaker 2: max was taking out one wicket for innings. So I
Speaker 2: still think there is a role for him to play,
Speaker 2: particularly in home conditions. He's super fit, Like what is
Speaker 2: he thirty five, thirty six? He I think has got
Speaker 2: another summer in him, home summer in him at least
Speaker 2: is it time. That's a different issue as to his fitness,
Speaker 2: as to whether it's actually just a time to promote
Speaker 2: players that might be better equipped though, sure, and we
Speaker 2: have now got a coterie of fast bowlers with Matt Henry,
Speaker 2: who's not young himself. No, but it was in good form.
Speaker 2: Willow Rowke's obviously a weapon. Ben Sears maybe not as
Speaker 2: high on Ben Sears as some of the others, but
Speaker 2: like he's definitely got something about him. And then there's
Speaker 2: Carle Jamison come back into the next too. Well, we're
Speaker 2: really lacking though, and we can get onto this somewhere
Speaker 2: down the track, but we're really lacking a fast bowling
Speaker 2: or a seam bowling all round her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, in terms of like
Speaker 1: for like, I think we've all been and it's been
Speaker 1: the situation throughout Tim Salvey's career where he's really frustrated
Speaker 1: with the bat because there was always this feeling that
Speaker 1: he had way more potential with the bat than he
Speaker 1: was showing, and it's never quite come to fruition. I
Speaker 1: think Henry offers more with a bat as well. And
Speaker 1: I take your point Paul Ford that in many ways
Speaker 1: it looks a humble act and it is, but also
Speaker 1: I sort of feel like the writing was on the
Speaker 1: wall and he had to kind of fall on his
Speaker 1: sword anyway, despite the fact that he made that decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very fair, And I mean, if I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: you can throw a whole lot of numbers around, but
Speaker 3: if we do have a quick block, you know, he's
Speaker 3: been un his career average five of the last seven years,
Speaker 3: but in the last in twenty twenty four, you know,
Speaker 3: he's against a career average of twenty nine point nine.
Speaker 3: He's averaged seventy three with the ball. So yeah, it's
Speaker 3: really fallen off the cliff. And of course some of
Speaker 3: those Test matches were at home where you'd think he
Speaker 3: would excel. Some of those Test matches, you know, the
Speaker 3: most recent ones obviously in Sri Lanka, where we thought
Speaker 3: he would do well. He's got a terrific record on
Speaker 3: the subcontinent. He's won test matches for US over there,
Speaker 3: you know, and we've talked before about his record in India.
Speaker 3: But the other thing I was going to mention is
Speaker 3: it did feel and maybe this is coincided with formal,
Speaker 3: you know, rather than being a causation, but who knows,
Speaker 3: It does feel like captaincy weighed heavy with him. And
Speaker 3: you know, his bowling average blew out by about ten
Speaker 3: runs since he took the captaincy on you know, that
Speaker 3: might coincide with form but yeah, it didn't look like
Speaker 3: he was having a hell of a good time out
Speaker 3: there for a lot of his for a lot of
Speaker 3: his runners.
Speaker 2: Captain certainly not the last four tests.
Speaker 1: No, Tom Latham replacement skipper are pretty standard kind of
Speaker 1: call there. I don't have a massive issue with it.
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty solid, kind of no nonsense, and
Speaker 1: I see Dylan Cleaver wincing. But the other thing is, Dylan,
Speaker 1: where else do you go?
Speaker 2: I reckon there iss options. They just didn't look at it.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really expedient choice for captaincy and
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of time for Tom Lathan as
Speaker 2: a cricketer and as a left hand opening bat. But
Speaker 2: we've made this call that the guy who's keptaining the
Speaker 2: team is not in the sort of form where he
Speaker 2: can command a spot in the team by right, So
Speaker 2: we're giving it to a guy who's scored two fifties
Speaker 2: in his past eighteen test in things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, are we point?
Speaker 2: Are we actually addressing the issue here, which is that
Speaker 2: it's our time if we're going to reset, let's reset.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's not.
Speaker 2: This is sort of like a Bob Konis half of
Speaker 2: one thing, half of the other kind of situation for me. Yeah, Look,
Speaker 2: he's averaged less than thirty five and three of the
Speaker 2: past four calendar years. So we're giving the captaincy from
Speaker 2: a guy who's clearly out of form to a guy
Speaker 2: who I would argue is not really doing much to
Speaker 2: command a certain spot in at eleven himself.
Speaker 1: It's interesting actually when you put it like that. You know,
Speaker 1: in New Zealand, crickets almost pull forward force into a
Speaker 1: corner to make some decisions here. And that's why I
Speaker 1: bring up I brought up the Tim Salvey thing. It
Speaker 1: feels like we're not quite yet committed to going okay,
Speaker 1: we need to change our direction here, we need to
Speaker 1: make some significant changes. There's almost a reluctance to make
Speaker 1: big changes. Thus you get a Tom Latham scenario. I
Speaker 1: was skipper.
Speaker 3: I reckon, that's I reckon. There's something in that, Jase.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like this is, you know, fantastic succession planning. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's succession planning in terms of who's the most obvious
Speaker 3: person to step in given the current regime. But you know,
Speaker 3: if you're really looking to change something up to steady
Speaker 3: the ship, if you will, then yeah, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: that this is the same decision. I'm not sure that
Speaker 3: you'd arrive at the same decision decision. What I think though,
Speaker 3: is that this has come as a bit of a surprise.
Speaker 3: I mean, we actually play a test mens in India
Speaker 3: two weeks today. It seems pretty rough to pick. To
Speaker 3: pick someone else completely out of the blue and say, right,
Speaker 3: we're going to India in two weeks, you're captain and
Speaker 3: good luck and kind of that feels that feels pretty unfair.
Speaker 3: So I think it was a pragmatic decision, a risk
Speaker 3: averse decision to give the band to Latham for this series,
Speaker 3: and they do a bit more thinking and a bit
Speaker 3: more planning and advance of perhaps the home summer and
Speaker 3: beyond that.
Speaker 1: And you know, Dylan, there's been a lot of criticism
Speaker 1: about the lack of boldness with the selectors Yep, Yes,
Speaker 1: Steads and so.
Speaker 2: Forth, and that's which I jump on board with.
Speaker 1: Yes, and this kind of decision, I guess Steady as
Speaker 1: She Goes reiterates that feeling amongst people, which is they're
Speaker 1: just not they're just trying to keep the status quo
Speaker 1: going for as long as possible. Steady as She goes
Speaker 1: and maybe we need something a little bit different. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't addressed the most fun to been. Problem
Speaker 2: with this team is that we've gone in the space
Speaker 2: of a decade from being the most innovative and nimble
Speaker 2: high performance program going around to being one of the
Speaker 2: most predictable. Yes, and I would have gone something much bolder.
Speaker 2: I would have maybe even looked at Darryl Mitchell.
Speaker 1: Now he's outside the box.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know the internal dynamics of the team.
Speaker 2: Perhaps perhaps Daryl Mitchell has an intensity to him that
Speaker 2: might rub some players up the wrong way. I do
Speaker 2: not know. That's mindless speculation. He could be the most
Speaker 2: popular blake in the team for all I know. All
Speaker 2: I know is that it just feels like when they
Speaker 2: named Thomas the captain today, I just went, ah, right,
Speaker 2: of course, here we go again. Yeah, that might be
Speaker 2: grotesquely unfair on Tom Latham, who might, as we're speaking now,
Speaker 2: be formulating some of the most incredible, intricate, detailed, radical
Speaker 2: plans to beat India that we've ever seen, and he
Speaker 2: could be an overwhelming success.
Speaker 3: I believe that.
Speaker 2: It just it just feels a little bit tired.
Speaker 3: Hopefully he's really good mates with Trent Bolt and Neil
Speaker 3: Wagner and we can get them back and take them
Speaker 3: over to the artist matches. That would be quite good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because the other thing, because the other
Speaker 4: thing about this is right, Yes, you know, we could
Speaker 4: do some crazy, wacky things, but we shouldn't forget that
Speaker 4: our this is the unwinding of possibly the greatest seam
Speaker 4: attach that New.
Speaker 3: Zealand has ever seen, you know, And you know we've
Speaker 3: seen what three and twenty wickets from Bolt Walk out
Speaker 3: the door, We've seen two hundred and sixty wickets from
Speaker 3: New Wagner and all of the slog work that he
Speaker 3: did then and now Tim Souther you know, and you
Speaker 3: know we shouldn't forget that as well. That's a that's
Speaker 3: a that's just a fact that our bowling side of things,
Speaker 3: as we've been weakened, the guts has been ripped out
Speaker 3: of it over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: Well, Mitchell's an interesting one because he, of course, looking
Speaker 1: back on his history, he did have issues in terms
Speaker 1: of not being necessarily accepted in the dressing room back
Speaker 1: early in his career, and that he was I don't
Speaker 1: know what the issue was, but they found it difficult
Speaker 1: working with him, and I think he's changed since those times.
Speaker 1: The fundamental question for me has to be in terms
Speaker 1: of the side would we rather we lose with the
Speaker 1: status quo or would we rather we lose trying something different.
Speaker 2: That's a lose lose situation you've just loved.
Speaker 1: I know it's a lose lose situation. But what would
Speaker 1: you prefer I would I would prefer us winning obviously,
Speaker 1: but I would prefer.
Speaker 2: In New Zealand to take a slightly more bold, emboldened
Speaker 2: approach to to refitting this team. And that goes beyond
Speaker 2: the plane eleven if you get my drift.
Speaker 1: Yes, well yeah, and that's interesting, you know which.
Speaker 3: The other thing is that two young guys that have
Speaker 3: been given a crack, Will O'Rourke in Rich and Revendra
Speaker 3: sensational of our two of our best in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a short break. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: let's look at this Sri Lankan Test match and humiliation mate,
Speaker 1: the amount of effing and jeffing going on in the
Speaker 1: Hoyde Householder, I had to shut the doors. Not good.
Speaker 1: And you know, and we mentioned this on the previous podcast.
Speaker 1: I do believe you know things that we were notoriously
Speaker 1: known for our fielding and things like that just some
Speaker 1: really substandard play, Dylan, basic stumping catches, you know what
Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah?
Speaker 2: The first morning was just awful, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It was dreadful.
Speaker 2: The cat the Mitchell of her slip that he shelled
Speaker 2: was so easy that there was no emotion. There was
Speaker 2: no like will I just ran up the wicket because
Speaker 2: it was such a standard edge. Mitchell was going to
Speaker 2: pocket at Sri Lanka were going to be ten for two.
Speaker 2: They're going to gather around, pair each other on the back.
Speaker 2: And it went down and no one, no one could
Speaker 2: quite believe it. They couldn't even get angry about it
Speaker 2: because it was just, oh, holy hell, how did that happen? Yes,
Speaker 2: and then the stumping went in and out and once
Speaker 2: that ball got old, they just didn't even look like
Speaker 2: getting a wicket. It was just all fairly.
Speaker 1: Sad. Yeah, mundane tedious pulled forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a bloody tough going, no question about it.
Speaker 3: Jason wanted to acknowledge you did predict to Neil despite
Speaker 3: your talk of optimism, you did speak about you did
Speaker 3: predict that Schlinka would win the series two.
Speaker 1: Now, I but on that, and I also had a
Speaker 1: feeling that we were going to get a shallacking in
Speaker 1: the second Test. And I know that's hindsight, but I thought,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we did well in that first Test,
Speaker 1: but I've got a horrible feeling we're going to get
Speaker 1: our asses handed to us. Then we batted pul forward
Speaker 1: and what an absolute travesty. That was? What the bloody hell?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look it was, yeah, it was. It was crazy.
Speaker 3: And look there were some kind of you could blame
Speaker 3: the pitch for this and that, you know, and it
Speaker 3: was tricky, absolutely, but there was also some sensational catching
Speaker 3: from the shlankins in the slips, yes, and the outfield
Speaker 3: and close. They were unbelievably good. They were magnificent and
Speaker 3: they were the polar opposite of us. Yeah, and you
Speaker 3: just say, yeah, some of those wickets, you know, the
Speaker 3: dicey Conway catch, Phillips, Kamakazi, Mitchell outslogging, Phillips out slogging, Conway,
Speaker 3: spooning one up, Blundle missing a reverse suite. It wasn't
Speaker 3: all just sort of you know, the ball beating the
Speaker 3: bat because it was ragging square. There was a bit
Speaker 3: of there was a bit of madness in there as well.
Speaker 2: Can I just get off a one slight caveat to
Speaker 2: the news owman, it was appalling eighty eight all out
Speaker 2: when you're chasing six hundred and two for five, there's
Speaker 2: nothing good you can say about it. But they battered
Speaker 2: themselves into a hole and they allowed the Sri Lankan
Speaker 2: spin twins to get into this incredible rhythm which was
Speaker 2: in the end unshakable. But there was a reason for that,
Speaker 2: I think. And they went into back quite late on
Speaker 2: day two, so they just had that defensive mindset get
Speaker 2: through the day, and then they came out again the
Speaker 2: next morning with a night watchman who simply hasn't got
Speaker 2: the skills to take the attack to Sri Lanka, so
Speaker 2: they tried to rebuild. So they had this period on
Speaker 2: the second evening in the third morning where they were
Speaker 2: just batting in quicksand and that's our best player doing
Speaker 2: that as well, came Williamson. Yes, So that felt like
Speaker 2: quite a big moment in the game, was that we
Speaker 2: just couldn't budge those spinners off their lengths and it
Speaker 2: just meant that everyone coming afterwards had to try something
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit beyond their skill level, and Sri
Speaker 2: dl anchor and their tails up again. It doesn't excuse
Speaker 2: eighty eight, which is appalling, But I think that what
Speaker 2: that was. The one mitigating factor was the circumstance of
Speaker 2: having that andn split by the end of day two.
Speaker 1: Yes, do we want to read a bit of correspondence,
Speaker 1: he Daniel writes Fellows hard not to see the bollocking
Speaker 1: from Sri Lanka as punishment from the gods of cricket.
Speaker 1: While watching the boys capitulate wasn't quite being tied to
Speaker 1: a rock and having your liver plucked out by an eagle.
Speaker 1: At times it got pretty close. Facing a must win
Speaker 1: test and choosing a stick with a Choosing to stick
Speaker 1: with the team that included elements that severely underperformed is
Speaker 1: not just conservative, it's hubristic and dumb. Punishment was meted
Speaker 1: out by the gods of cricket, and we were brought
Speaker 1: low and reminded of our grim, mortal lot to toil
Speaker 1: upon the green. Where the hell do we go from here?
Speaker 1: Surely stared in the conservative Canterbury faction have learned their lesson?
Speaker 1: Or are we doomed to repeat this cosmic mistake of
Speaker 1: picking a subpar team under the guise of consistency for
Speaker 1: the rest of this painful cricketing summer.
Speaker 2: I think we've got half an answer today, didn't.
Speaker 3: We appeal to the deity there From Daniel.
Speaker 2: Hey Mike from Coroco writes under the subject line from
Speaker 2: Sri Lanka with distaste, I'm writing from Tangali Beach. I
Speaker 2: hope I said that right after scarpering the hell out
Speaker 2: of Gaul once the FASCAL Second Test ended. After riding
Speaker 2: in Sri Lanka in time for the First Test again,
Speaker 2: pitched up to the Gaul cricket ground, hoping for another
Speaker 2: fighting performance from the black Caps. No need to mention
Speaker 2: how that went. My journey to the pearl of the
Speaker 2: Indian notion hasn't been without its hecups. I kicked off
Speaker 2: with a whale watching excursion off the coast of Gaul.
Speaker 2: On the way out to see, the skipper climbed onto
Speaker 2: the top deck of his boat and advised everyone to
Speaker 2: head to the lower deck to mitigate the likelihood of
Speaker 2: sea sickness coming from the current home of the America's Cap.
Speaker 2: I scoffed at that suggestion and sniggered at the landlubbers
Speaker 2: scurrying to the lower deck. Fifteen minutes later, I was
Speaker 2: leant over the side of the boat offloading my breakfast
Speaker 2: on the fishes. Unfortunately, for the other tourists below, the
Speaker 2: sea breeze blew my fruit plater breakfast in their direction
Speaker 2: and they were cascaded with a rainbow of colors. We
Speaker 2: all got to see a bunch of whales.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: The upside of the second test, to bark All is
Speaker 2: that it's given me a few more days to explore
Speaker 2: the Indian Ocean tear drop. Tomorrow, I'm off to a
Speaker 2: wildlife safari in the National Park and then onto the
Speaker 2: tea plantations in the whole country. I'm hoping the rest
Speaker 2: of my trip will help remove the bitter taste of
Speaker 2: New Zealand's two test losses and put me in a
Speaker 2: good spirits for the home tests against the Palms. Best
Speaker 2: not to mention the upcoming India tour. Yes, I think
Speaker 2: that's a very good point.
Speaker 3: Which national parks are going to Dylan?
Speaker 2: Did you say I think he's going to the Dawalawa
Speaker 2: National Park.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me say that one.
Speaker 3: Umm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, as an overall view, fellas,
Speaker 1: I mean, after the second test, I just have you know,
Speaker 1: we've got India coming up now, and I just don't
Speaker 1: know what direction we're going to be going in because
Speaker 1: and I don't know that we have many of norths. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I don't know about you, fellas, But I can't
Speaker 1: help but feel we're going to get our asses handed
Speaker 1: to us over in India.
Speaker 2: Well, they just took two days to beat a relatively
Speaker 2: competitive Bangladesh team too, so they're not sure to form themselves.
Speaker 2: They could put three elevens and beat New Zealand and
Speaker 2: India at the moment.
Speaker 3: Yes, they treated Bangladesh with absolute disdain. In the second
Speaker 3: Test match, it was it was.
Speaker 2: Well, will there be changes? I mean, let's talk through that.
Speaker 2: I mean the fifteen that went to Sri Lanka we
Speaker 2: only got to see eleven of them because of that
Speaker 2: hubristic as Daniel Rhodes conservative selection policy for the second Test.
Speaker 2: Are there changes? I think we've got to take it
Speaker 2: as read. We've got to take it at face value
Speaker 2: that Tim Salvie will be going, Tom Lathan will be going.
Speaker 2: Can you guys see any ins and outs in the fifteen?
Speaker 1: Not really, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: Mitchell Sentner. I know he got a few cheap runs
Speaker 2: on that second things, but.
Speaker 1: And the high score in the first but you know,
Speaker 1: I feel this is cruel.
Speaker 2: But I discard anything that happened in that New Zealand
Speaker 2: second innings. It was the most inconsequential betting conditions you're
Speaker 2: ever getting.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it also just for me, highlighted how badly
Speaker 1: we played in the first Yeah. I mean in terms
Speaker 1: of like on field elevens, you've got to have Henry
Speaker 1: in there. I wouldn't have Salvie. Yes, Mitchell Santner. Did
Speaker 1: he do enough and show enough because he was in
Speaker 1: good form bowling wise, but he didn't impress that much
Speaker 1: with the ball over in Sri Lanka.
Speaker 2: One wicked I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was like Conway, for example, Paul Ford.
Speaker 1: I mean he got a what is it sixty on
Speaker 1: the second innings, finally got some runs.
Speaker 2: Dashing sixty two.
Speaker 3: Yes, really pissed off looking sixty after as a dicey
Speaker 3: first innings dismissed or i'd wager, But yeah, I mean, frankly,
Speaker 3: it's hard to see any changes that they will make.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're not going to bench some of
Speaker 3: those guys after those performances in the first Test, you've
Speaker 3: give them given them another test where they've got absolutely dumped,
Speaker 3: you're just going to stick with them, I would suggest,
Speaker 3: I can't see any changes. Maybe maybe an addition or two.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Cole Jamison's back. I think he
Speaker 3: was out six months with a Streuss fracture, so he
Speaker 3: might be one, you know that's possibly in contention. And
Speaker 3: then then really you're looking at the likes of I
Speaker 3: guess a Nathan Smith or something like that, just adding
Speaker 3: to the squad and giving yourself a few more options.
Speaker 1: Ashuck.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ready yet. He's coming off a
Speaker 2: long term injuries and.
Speaker 3: He's surged surgery, I think as well.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, and I think you'd probably rather than throw
Speaker 2: him to the to the lions, I think you'd probably
Speaker 2: look at it East Sodi if you were going to
Speaker 2: go in the direction of a leggy wrispinner. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I see happening actually is, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll have little bright spots of performance, but the ultimate
Speaker 1: rule result will be a thumping test loss. That's how
Speaker 1: I see this playing out. Someone will shine for a
Speaker 1: little while and then we'll get pummeled.
Speaker 2: It's just how one of those bright spots occurs on
Speaker 2: a Tuesday before before a podcast, so we can grasp
Speaker 2: onto that and fill our listeners with some sunshine.
Speaker 3: And just to remind ourselves. It was humiliating, but it
Speaker 3: was not our largest first innings deficit, which was versus
Speaker 3: Pakistan in two thousand and two. Thank you in or
Speaker 3: Huk and show up actor who I think was a
Speaker 3: triple century in a six for eleven something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good times. Well here's some positive news fellers, white fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, come on, is hope. Well they won a
Speaker 1: warm up game against South Africa and comprehensively too, I
Speaker 1: might add Paul Forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, they have snapped. I think it was at
Speaker 3: ten was a ten nineteen eleven t twenties in a
Speaker 3: raw they lost executively.
Speaker 2: Does not officially count though, unfortunately because it was not
Speaker 2: a eleven on eleven.
Speaker 3: Hey, it counts for me, Dylan, it counts for.
Speaker 1: Me at least.
Speaker 2: Grasp older that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see grasp on grasping. I feel like one
Speaker 3: of those sport climbers at the at the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, it's scary as well. We've also lost at England,
Speaker 3: but we're not going to get into that too much.
Speaker 3: But it's amazing we've met. We've played England seventeen times
Speaker 3: this year and we've lost fifteen of those games, so
Speaker 3: I guess, thank god they're not in our group. But yeah,
Speaker 3: unfortunately Australia and India both are. So yeah, look, it's
Speaker 3: going to be tricky first game as against India or
Speaker 3: on Saturday morning, and you'd say on form, winning one
Speaker 3: out of two and a week means that we are
Speaker 3: going in with a listener raw compared to what we've
Speaker 3: been doing over the last ten months.
Speaker 1: Now, that's amazing when you sort of reflect upon it,
Speaker 1: with both of the men and the woman, I mean,
Speaker 1: how did we get here? How did we get to
Speaker 1: such a pessimistic place after being World Test champions and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just been it feels like a very slow decline.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I mentioned before and I stand by this.
Speaker 2: I just think we went from being innovative to comfortable. Yes,
Speaker 2: And like slowly boiled frogs. We were in a pot
Speaker 2: and the element was turned up into one and we're
Speaker 2: comfortable for a long time, and it was quite pleasantly warm,
Speaker 2: and by the time we realized we were boiling, we
Speaker 2: could not extract ourselves from the pot. And how our
Speaker 2: flesh is falling off and we're about to be devoured.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a short break. Well, let's
Speaker 1: chair ourselves up with a bit of Paul Ford's news
Speaker 1: or ruse, shall we?
Speaker 3: Jap? WoT has the Oi Hoy trophy out west?
Speaker 1: Magnificent polish over the weekend. Thanks. I should have sent
Speaker 1: some packs for Dylan to just try and imagine what
Speaker 1: it's like on his mantal piece.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean as voodoo He his voodoo
Speaker 3: dolls over there on the shore. Okay, three bits of news.
Speaker 3: There'll be something wrong with one of them. Number one.
Speaker 3: Kevin Peterson helped broak a landmark deal between IPL franchise
Speaker 3: the Delhi Capitals in English County Hampshire. Hampshire this week
Speaker 3: announced a new strategic partnership with the GMR Group on Monday,
Speaker 3: which Peterson hailed as an historic day in English cricket.
Speaker 3: Congrats to everyone on this journey. It's only the start.
Speaker 3: Let effing go, he screamed on Twitter formerly or was
Speaker 3: it ex formerly Twitter?
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 3: Peterson, of course, paid for Hampshire from two thousand and
Speaker 3: five to twenty ten and played for the Delhi franchise
Speaker 3: then known as the dare Devils in the IPL, including
Speaker 3: as captain in twenty fourteen. Krakinfo reported brilliantly that he
Speaker 3: has maintained a close personal personal relationship with gmr's bazillionaire
Speaker 3: owner Kuran Kumar Grandi. Number two New Zealand's domestic T
Speaker 3: twenty champions will be crowned in Wellington this summer, not
Speaker 3: because Wellington will necessarily win, but because Altera Roh's home
Speaker 3: of cricket, the Basin Reserve, will host a sweet Little
Speaker 3: Finals weekend in early February. For the first time in
Speaker 3: the combined competition's history. The winners will be decided at
Speaker 3: a predetermined venue. The Supersmash comprises thirty two men's and
Speaker 3: women's double headers at ten venues across Altierro TVNZ plus
Speaker 3: and on Duke So Freedomware, which is lovely. The Road
Speaker 3: to the Basin will begin on Boxing Day at seven
Speaker 3: formerly known as Martinsteden Park in Hamilton. As the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four champs, the Auckland ass began their title defense
Speaker 3: against nd who won it in twenty twenty two and
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. The competition will also be broadcast to
Speaker 3: Australia India for betting sub Saharan, Africa, the UK and
Speaker 3: the US and number three Dylan You're gonna you know,
Speaker 3: I know you love this guy already. And Indian left
Speaker 3: handed prodigy who loves Brian Lara began to haunt Australia
Speaker 3: and probably the rest of world cricket. At Chippauk on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: when vibarv Suria one, she nonchoalantly launched Thomas Brown over
Speaker 3: mid wicket for an audacious sixth in the India Under
Speaker 3: nineteen Youth Test against Australia, This thirteen year old Wunderkinder
Speaker 3: became the youngest ever to score in an international century
Speaker 3: at any level. He made one hundred and four of
Speaker 3: sixty two in what was described as his unique, authoritative
Speaker 3: style that defies his age. Century was off fifty eight
Speaker 3: deliveries and was the fastest century and under nineteen Test
Speaker 3: matches since Joe Denley took fifty six balls back in
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. What did he say?
Speaker 1: Love this?
Speaker 3: I never feel threatened, be it fast bowlers or spinners.
Speaker 3: I love to hit them.
Speaker 1: That is my mindset.
Speaker 3: This is frightening. This guy's going to be playing the
Speaker 3: next twenty five years. My god, look out.
Speaker 1: Can we get him into the New Zealand side? Maybe?
Speaker 3: How can a thirteen year will be playing an under
Speaker 3: nineteen cricket? I'm pretty sure there will be illegal in
Speaker 3: New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was going to be my You've got
Speaker 2: to be bruising about his age, surely, but taken that
Speaker 2: off the table by doubling down on it. I think
Speaker 2: I sent you a screenshot of that scorecard because I
Speaker 2: was just looking at going I can't believe.
Speaker 1: This eighty something of forty at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're one hundred and four without lass than
Speaker 2: this kid had an eighty something of them. Yeah, ooh shit.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go with story number two.
Speaker 2: I read stories one three. I think they're right. I
Speaker 2: know that the finals weekend is in Wellington, that part
Speaker 2: of it's true. Maybe maybe Ndy aren't the twenty two
Speaker 2: to twenty three champs as well.
Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, I didn't think Auckland were the current champs.
Speaker 1: But then that's my razzled brain. M I'm going to
Speaker 1: go three and the age because I can't accept that
Speaker 1: he's thirteen.
Speaker 3: We should both wash your mouths out for that. Because
Speaker 3: he's thirteen years one hundred and eighty eight days, which
Speaker 3: is unbelievable. I totally. I think it's a their thing
Speaker 3: to call out. But no, the fastest century in under
Speaker 3: nineteen Test cricket was not Joe Dinley. It was Moween Arley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Queen Arley.
Speaker 3: So Jason, you retain the trophy comfortably.
Speaker 1: Hey, now listen, it's a pyrrhic victory, that one, really,
Speaker 1: Dylan Cleavers, Who am I? Though? The answer we got
Speaker 1: we got sent this in from Luckey b geid A. Lads,
Speaker 1: it's Lockey here, Dad and I just listened to your
Speaker 1: latest podcast on the Way to the Cricket in Hamilton.
Speaker 1: We believe that this week's who am I? As black Cat?
Speaker 1: Number one? Ted Badcock?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 1: Cheers, Fowlers love hearing the BBIC on the way to
Speaker 1: the Cricket, Locky and.
Speaker 3: Dad great, these got the regular listeners. Lockie Lover get
Speaker 3: to you and your old man. I know this is
Speaker 3: a very nerdy thing to say, but I'm going to
Speaker 3: say it anyway. We've never had a Test cricket that
Speaker 3: starts with A and finner. Allen was going to be
Speaker 3: it and he's not going to be it. So we're
Speaker 3: going to have to wait another thousand years for that
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 2: Chats good lord, check, alabasta, green, alabasta, Oh do you reckon?
Speaker 3: It's okay. When you said alphabetically, though, I was like,
Speaker 3: is he the first Test cricketer by the.
Speaker 2: Alphabet yes, because they obviously had to play a first
Speaker 2: Test at some stage in that very first Test team
Speaker 2: didn't have someone beginning to day.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank god, I can sleep again.
Speaker 1: Who you got this week there for us?
Speaker 2: I can clear that up, you radio? Who am I?
Speaker 2: I might well be described as the original enphon Terry
Speaker 2: Blair of New Zealand cricket. On one of New Zealand's
Speaker 2: most gilded tours, my manager said of me, if only
Speaker 2: he would curb an impetuosity to make a century, not
Speaker 2: merely before lunch, but as it sometimes seemed, before breakfast.
Speaker 2: That was the thing about me. Nobody doubted my talent.
Speaker 2: Bert Sucliffe no less described me as being light on
Speaker 2: my feet, like a dancer, but with a full array
Speaker 2: of shots. But my record was, even accounting for the times,
Speaker 2: objectively poor. I played twenty five Tests and saw an
Speaker 2: uncommon amount of New Zealand victories. Three more than Bert,
Speaker 2: for example, but my ten year career netted just one
Speaker 2: ton in an average south of twenty. My first class career,
Speaker 2: all spent in the South was slightly better, though my
Speaker 2: five to thirty eight hundreds to fifties ratio spoke to
Speaker 2: my propensity for classy cameos rather than innings of substance.
Speaker 2: By the way, this isn't actually me speaking, because I
Speaker 2: died in two thousand and seven. Ah any clues fellas. No,
Speaker 2: it is actually quite a famous and I won't say
Speaker 2: popular because there's a lot of frustration with him, but
Speaker 2: quite a well known cricketer of the age. So I
Speaker 2: hope that helps you out there in listener land.
Speaker 1: Great stuff Pull forwards cricket violence corner. Pull forwards cricket
Speaker 1: violence corner.
Speaker 3: A low key Indian cricket tournament named the MCC Weekdays
Speaker 3: Bash lived up to its name. In the final between
Speaker 3: Aero Visa and Rabdan. The Bash was brought and the
Speaker 3: fixture was marred by controversy after rapdown bar the Khasi
Speaker 3: Muhammad and of Lisa bowler Narsia Ali were involved in abrawl.
Speaker 3: The incident happened on the final ball of the thirteenth
Speaker 3: over after Narsia dismissed Kashif and gave him a sensational
Speaker 3: fiery send off, quite a long one with pointing and yelling.
Speaker 3: Kashif started walking off and then decided he had enough
Speaker 3: swung around as the bowler continued to hurl abuse and
Speaker 3: a full scrap erupted. As they were fighting and the
Speaker 3: umpires and teammates trying to separate them, Nasia broke free
Speaker 3: of the pack, grabbed the non striker's back and wrapped
Speaker 3: it around Kashif. Sensational stuff in the weekday Bash.
Speaker 1: Good lord.
Speaker 2: Can I just say one thing there that I don't
Speaker 2: want to resort to lazy tropes here, but I don't
Speaker 2: think there's any such thing as a low key tournament
Speaker 2: in India.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, fair enough? Hey, now pull Ford getting into
Speaker 1: our correspondence. I believe you've made a rap song about
Speaker 1: Eden Park.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Can I give you a bit of context on that, Jason, Yes, Jo.
Speaker 3: We had some correspondents from Peter d and at read
Speaker 3: as follows. Great to have the b ysc back. This
Speaker 3: is a sometime hobby horse of Dylan's. But I know
Speaker 3: with the release of the Ford Trophy schedule, Auckland's official
Speaker 3: domestic home ground until Christmas at least, appears to have
Speaker 3: become the Bay Oval, a mere two hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: kilometer trip from the usual home, which is of course
Speaker 3: situated in the car park of a well known Rugby stadium.
Speaker 3: The vagaries of Auckland Stadium politics are not something anyone
Speaker 3: looking forward to someone wants to get into. But imagine
Speaker 3: explaining to Cricket of Fitzionado's The World Over that the
Speaker 3: domestic side from our most popular center are effectively refugees
Speaker 3: because well we just haven't got round two sorting that
Speaker 3: one out yet, Mate from Pete d now research on
Speaker 3: this and the reason why those matches are being played
Speaker 3: at Mount Molanui because there is a Travis Scott concert
Speaker 3: on jc be a huge fan of Travis Scott, wouldn't
Speaker 3: you know? Anyway? I decided Adela, and I'm very glad
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on what the hell's going on here.
Speaker 3: But before we do, I just warm you guys up
Speaker 3: with a rap song that I made in the Trevor
Speaker 3: Scott style about Eden Park.
Speaker 1: Currently the hype shape. We couldn't script this type.
Speaker 3: I'll field lightning paste chased the light bombrous peas, spinner words,
Speaker 3: crickets ace, boundary world, smella, set of bas well lets
Speaker 3: in my flaking smart well make your.
Speaker 1: Mind all of the crab dreams out loud. We ain't
Speaker 1: mouth cricket changing out of barrios loud.
Speaker 5: Bloody, good mate, and it's not bad pulled forward. Great work,
Speaker 5: great work, just on that. I mean, what a bloody travesty,
Speaker 5: Dylan Cleaver. I mean, for God's.
Speaker 2: Sake, this is what happens when you're involved in autand
Speaker 2: cricket and you get so tunnel visioned you so hitch
Speaker 2: your wagon to Eden Park. So Eden Park is our
Speaker 2: spiritual home, not only that is our future. Meanwhile, Eating
Speaker 2: Parker going. I actually we'd rather have concerts here than cricket.
Speaker 2: Would rather bring some money. Yes, what are flip and shambles?
Speaker 2: Auckland gets exactly what they deserve from the administrators that
Speaker 2: they have.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I I was, I've spent a lot of
Speaker 1: quality time at Eating Partner number two. It's quite a
Speaker 1: lovely little boutique sort of ground.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I can't stand it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Back in the old days, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, but I mean, you know the biggest center
Speaker 1: in the country. We can't find a ground for our cricketers.
Speaker 1: Is embarrassing and stupid. Pull forward. If people want to
Speaker 1: get in touch with us, what do they do? Mate?
Speaker 3: Look as your short epistle to b y C at
Speaker 3: Base Brigade dot co dot NZ or slide into the
Speaker 3: d MS of the Alternative Commentary Collective all the Base
Speaker 3: Brigade on Instagram or Facebook and they'll find their.
Speaker 1: Way to it. And what's going on with the Bounce
Speaker 1: at the moment, they're Dylan Clever graduations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I brought up the five hundred Wow. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: five hundred newsletters. If you've been with me from the start,
Speaker 2: that means five hundred punishing emails have dropped into your
Speaker 2: in bugs if you haven't, If you've just joined, it's
Speaker 2: great to have your board. If you want to join,
Speaker 2: if you're curious, Dylan Cleaver dot substack dot com, or
Speaker 2: just google Dylan Cleaver in the Bounce and come along
Speaker 2: for the ride.
Speaker 1: Good on you, mate. Hey Nellison, you know, I got
Speaker 1: to apologize to the listeners. It's been a slightly pessimistic,
Speaker 1: depressing kind of podcast. Reasonable, but that's just the reality
Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in at the moment, and I
Speaker 1: think we're just going to have to grad our teeth
Speaker 1: and hold on to our couches and have a few
Speaker 1: beersies when we're watching the Indian tour pull forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to say. It's interesting, isn't it how
Speaker 3: the cycle of expectation comes comes around?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So twenty years ago this is where we were. The
Speaker 3: generation of players that we've had, and all of the
Speaker 3: amazing success has completely reset our expectations and suddenly we're
Speaker 3: not being like facetious and silly kind of barmy army
Speaker 3: styles about sort of like all of the losses and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. We actually are surprised that
Speaker 3: we're not winning cricket games, and we're actually surprised that
Speaker 3: we're getting flogged in a few test matches. This is
Speaker 3: just back to reality. So we'll get through this sort
Speaker 3: of the doom and gloom all the way back to
Speaker 3: being our sort of tongue in cheek self. I'd imagine
Speaker 3: over the next few months.
Speaker 1: Speak for yourself, Paul I, I'm going to be spewing
Speaker 1: over us the next few weeks. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that much. Dylan. I just know I'm going to be
Speaker 1: passed off.
Speaker 2: I've still got a few months of angsty, insistential kind
Speaker 2: of crisisy left in me before I can get to
Speaker 2: that facetious tongue in cheek haha. Look at us all
Speaker 2: out for ninety two against England at the Basing kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, thanks for taking no no, thanks for taking
Speaker 1: the time to listen. We'll be back, same time, same place,
Speaker 1: next week until the end. See you later.