1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Live from the ex Bord Bear Garden Studios. Sho're listening 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: to the BYC where we'll be reflecting on the surprise 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: standdown of Skipper Tim Salvee and the hiding and flicted 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: on our boys over in Sri Lankap. We try to 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: when we can take the positives out of any given match. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: Apart from Cleaver, of course, it gets the knives out 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: at the minutest show of weakness, but we are hard 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: pressed on this occasion to find any shining light. It 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: was a comprehensive defeat and even though we showed some 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: fight in the second innings that merely highlighted how poorly 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: we batted in the first. It's hard not to look 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: ahead with a fair amount of pessimism as we eye 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: the mighty Indians, where a three zip humiliation looks very 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: much on the cards. Well, fellas er Tim Salvee standing down? Yeah? 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: Can I read? From the New Zealand two? By all, 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: Tim Sauvie has stepped down as Black Caps Test captain, 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: with Tom Lathan confirmed to take up the role full time. Latham, 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: who was captain the Test side on nine previous occasions, 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: will lead a fifteen strong Test squad including Sauvi, to 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: India next Friday. Savvia has played one hundred and two 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,639 Speaker 2: Tests for the black Caps, is debuting in two thousand 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: and eight, claiming three hundred and eighty two wickets, second 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: only to Sir Richard Hadley. It goes on to say 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 2: that he is captain and fallen Tests with six wins, 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: six losses to draws, which is a fairly seven split. 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: It's a pretty good record for a New Zealand skipper actually. 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: Since taking over from Cam Williamson in December twenty twenty two, 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: and he said the decision to step down was made 29 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: in the best interests of the team. There are a 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: few anodyne quotes about how he can best serve the 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: team by concentrating on taking wickets and getting back into form. 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: He will, and he will give Tom Tiger, Tom Latham 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: the head boy has. 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Absolute support, absolute. 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: Support and backing, just as Tom did to him. 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: Well, look, you know I made a comment on an 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: acc post Paul Ford. He's been an absolute stallion for 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: this New Zealand side. He's been a great player and 39 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: has quite an impressive record. And you know we pointed 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: out on the BYC that his last three series have 41 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: just been dreadful, and you know, and when you look 42 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: at lightful like I e. Henry versus salve You've got 43 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: to say that Henry's probably the more form player. Gives 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: us more options there. I mean, is this the end 45 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: for Tim Salvee or you know, he obviously wants to 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: carry on as a player, but is it time to move? 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one. It's a bit vague I 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 3: think as to whether he is going to continue, will 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: he be selected, will he be available, does he want 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: to play in India or does he not want to 51 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: be that sort of ghost haunting the team as Tom 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: Latham takes the reins. Important to note that the Latham 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: appointment is not permanent. It's only for this Indian series, 54 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: so kind of leaves the door a jarft for some 55 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: more change down the track. Potentially. I imagine he'd be pretty 56 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: I mean, if I just look at statistics, and I 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: don't know if he's motivated by statistics. I think he's 58 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: genuinely motivated by wanting to help New Zealand win matches. 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: But you know, he is three hundred and eighty two 60 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: not out on the test wicket pilot the moment, so 61 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: the lure of four hundred. The Richard Hadley number looks 62 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: four three two looks a bit far off, to be honest, 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: He's got a good average in India, but yeah, will 64 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: he go there? Look, I don't know. I feel like 65 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 3: he won't go to India. Have some time and then 66 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: he'll be really keen to play that home series, but 67 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: maybe not play all those matches against England and a 68 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: bit of a farewell over sort of in December for 69 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: Tim South the absolute store of our game, particularly in test. 70 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: Cricket, Dylan, do we have that luxury with Tim to 71 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: sort of let him decide I may or may not play. 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean it feels to me like it's time to 73 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: move on. Well, and that's from a fan of Tim Southey's. 74 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 75 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: What I'm a little bit confused about is they're very 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: high up. In their NCCA press release, they made it 77 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: pretty clear he was going to India, right. Yes, they 78 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 2: would pick a fifteen man squad and it would include 79 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: Tom Southey, And I think they're pretty anxious to avoid 80 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: any perception of a palace coup in some respects like 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: we had with the Taylor McCullum situation. And then Taylor, 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: who I thought was maybe not the best advised back then, 83 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: didn't go to South Africa and it looked a little petulant. 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: And then we had that whole thing about reintegrating Ross 85 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: into the team and it became just a saga in itself. 86 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: I think they'd be pretty anxious to avoid any perception 87 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 2: that there's something similar going on here. 88 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: It feels like a humble act from Southeast. Actually it 89 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: genuinely does to me. 90 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I guess it wasn't tenuous in tenable Sorry, him 91 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: continuing as captain with the form that he had correct 92 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: because you just couldn't keep picking a bowler who at 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: max was taking out one wicket for innings. So I 94 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: still think there is a role for him to play, 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: particularly in home conditions. He's super fit, Like what is 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: he thirty five, thirty six? He I think has got 97 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: another summer in him, home summer in him at least 98 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 2: is it time. That's a different issue as to his fitness, 99 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: as to whether it's actually just a time to promote 100 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: players that might be better equipped though, sure, and we 101 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: have now got a coterie of fast bowlers with Matt Henry, 102 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 2: who's not young himself. No, but it was in good form. 103 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: Willow Rowke's obviously a weapon. Ben Sears maybe not as 104 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: high on Ben Sears as some of the others, but 105 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: like he's definitely got something about him. And then there's 106 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: Carle Jamison come back into the next too. Well, we're 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: really lacking though, and we can get onto this somewhere 108 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: down the track, but we're really lacking a fast bowling 109 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: or a seam bowling all round her. 110 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, in terms of like 111 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: for like, I think we've all been and it's been 112 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: the situation throughout Tim Salvey's career where he's really frustrated 113 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: with the bat because there was always this feeling that 114 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: he had way more potential with the bat than he 115 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: was showing, and it's never quite come to fruition. I 116 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: think Henry offers more with a bat as well. And 117 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: I take your point Paul Ford that in many ways 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: it looks a humble act and it is, but also 119 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: I sort of feel like the writing was on the 120 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: wall and he had to kind of fall on his 121 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: sword anyway, despite the fact that he made that decision. 122 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, very fair, And I mean, if I guess, you know, 123 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: you can throw a whole lot of numbers around, but 124 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: if we do have a quick block, you know, he's 125 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: been un his career average five of the last seven years, 126 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: but in the last in twenty twenty four, you know, 127 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: he's against a career average of twenty nine point nine. 128 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: He's averaged seventy three with the ball. So yeah, it's 129 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: really fallen off the cliff. And of course some of 130 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: those Test matches were at home where you'd think he 131 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: would excel. Some of those Test matches, you know, the 132 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: most recent ones obviously in Sri Lanka, where we thought 133 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: he would do well. He's got a terrific record on 134 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: the subcontinent. He's won test matches for US over there, 135 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: you know, and we've talked before about his record in India. 136 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: But the other thing I was going to mention is 137 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: it did feel and maybe this is coincided with formal, 138 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: you know, rather than being a causation, but who knows, 139 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: It does feel like captaincy weighed heavy with him. And 140 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: you know, his bowling average blew out by about ten 141 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: runs since he took the captaincy on you know, that 142 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: might coincide with form but yeah, it didn't look like 143 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: he was having a hell of a good time out 144 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: there for a lot of his for a lot of 145 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: his runners. 146 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: Captain certainly not the last four tests. 147 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: No, Tom Latham replacement skipper are pretty standard kind of 148 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: call there. I don't have a massive issue with it. 149 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: I think he's pretty solid, kind of no nonsense, and 150 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 1: I see Dylan Cleaver wincing. But the other thing is, Dylan, 151 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: where else do you go? 152 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: I reckon there iss options. They just didn't look at it. 153 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: I think it's a really expedient choice for captaincy and 154 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: I've got a lot of time for Tom Lathan as 155 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: a cricketer and as a left hand opening bat. But 156 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: we've made this call that the guy who's keptaining the 157 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 2: team is not in the sort of form where he 158 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: can command a spot in the team by right, So 159 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: we're giving it to a guy who's scored two fifties 160 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: in his past eighteen test in things? 161 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, are we point? 162 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: Are we actually addressing the issue here, which is that 163 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: it's our time if we're going to reset, let's reset. 164 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: Yes, that's not. 165 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: This is sort of like a Bob Konis half of 166 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: one thing, half of the other kind of situation for me. Yeah, Look, 167 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: he's averaged less than thirty five and three of the 168 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: past four calendar years. So we're giving the captaincy from 169 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: a guy who's clearly out of form to a guy 170 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: who I would argue is not really doing much to 171 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: command a certain spot in at eleven himself. 172 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: It's interesting actually when you put it like that. You know, 173 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: in New Zealand, crickets almost pull forward force into a 174 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: corner to make some decisions here. And that's why I 175 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: bring up I brought up the Tim Salvey thing. It 176 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: feels like we're not quite yet committed to going okay, 177 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: we need to change our direction here, we need to 178 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: make some significant changes. There's almost a reluctance to make 179 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: big changes. Thus you get a Tom Latham scenario. I 180 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: was skipper. 181 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: I reckon, that's I reckon. There's something in that, Jase. 182 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like this is, you know, fantastic succession planning. Yes, 183 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: it's succession planning in terms of who's the most obvious 184 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: person to step in given the current regime. But you know, 185 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: if you're really looking to change something up to steady 186 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: the ship, if you will, then yeah, I'm not sure 187 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: that this is the same decision. I'm not sure that 188 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: you'd arrive at the same decision decision. What I think though, 189 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 3: is that this has come as a bit of a surprise. 190 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: I mean, we actually play a test mens in India 191 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: two weeks today. It seems pretty rough to pick. To 192 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: pick someone else completely out of the blue and say, right, 193 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: we're going to India in two weeks, you're captain and 194 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: good luck and kind of that feels that feels pretty unfair. 195 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: So I think it was a pragmatic decision, a risk 196 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 3: averse decision to give the band to Latham for this series, 197 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: and they do a bit more thinking and a bit 198 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: more planning and advance of perhaps the home summer and 199 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: beyond that. 200 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: And you know, Dylan, there's been a lot of criticism 201 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: about the lack of boldness with the selectors Yep, Yes, 202 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: Steads and so. 203 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: Forth, and that's which I jump on board with. 204 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and this kind of decision, I guess Steady as 205 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: She Goes reiterates that feeling amongst people, which is they're 206 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: just not they're just trying to keep the status quo 207 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: going for as long as possible. Steady as She goes 208 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: and maybe we need something a little bit different. Now. 209 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't addressed the most fun to been. Problem 210 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: with this team is that we've gone in the space 211 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: of a decade from being the most innovative and nimble 212 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: high performance program going around to being one of the 213 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: most predictable. Yes, and I would have gone something much bolder. 214 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 2: I would have maybe even looked at Darryl Mitchell. 215 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: Now he's outside the box. 216 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know the internal dynamics of the team. 217 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: Perhaps perhaps Daryl Mitchell has an intensity to him that 218 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: might rub some players up the wrong way. I do 219 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: not know. That's mindless speculation. He could be the most 220 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: popular blake in the team for all I know. All 221 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: I know is that it just feels like when they 222 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 2: named Thomas the captain today, I just went, ah, right, 223 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: of course, here we go again. Yeah, that might be 224 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: grotesquely unfair on Tom Latham, who might, as we're speaking now, 225 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: be formulating some of the most incredible, intricate, detailed, radical 226 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: plans to beat India that we've ever seen, and he 227 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: could be an overwhelming success. 228 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: I believe that. 229 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: It just it just feels a little bit tired. 230 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: Hopefully he's really good mates with Trent Bolt and Neil 231 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 3: Wagner and we can get them back and take them 232 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 3: over to the artist matches. That would be quite good. 233 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because the other thing, because the other 234 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 4: thing about this is right, Yes, you know, we could 235 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: do some crazy, wacky things, but we shouldn't forget that 236 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: our this is the unwinding of possibly the greatest seam 237 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 4: attach that New. 238 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: Zealand has ever seen, you know, And you know we've 239 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 3: seen what three and twenty wickets from Bolt Walk out 240 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: the door, We've seen two hundred and sixty wickets from 241 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: New Wagner and all of the slog work that he 242 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: did then and now Tim Souther you know, and you 243 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: know we shouldn't forget that as well. That's a that's 244 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: a that's just a fact that our bowling side of things, 245 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: as we've been weakened, the guts has been ripped out 246 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: of it over the last couple of years. 247 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: Well, Mitchell's an interesting one because he, of course, looking 248 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: back on his history, he did have issues in terms 249 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: of not being necessarily accepted in the dressing room back 250 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: early in his career, and that he was I don't 251 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: know what the issue was, but they found it difficult 252 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: working with him, and I think he's changed since those times. 253 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: The fundamental question for me has to be in terms 254 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: of the side would we rather we lose with the 255 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: status quo or would we rather we lose trying something different. 256 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: That's a lose lose situation you've just loved. 257 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: I know it's a lose lose situation. But what would 258 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: you prefer I would I would prefer us winning obviously, 259 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: but I would prefer. 260 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: In New Zealand to take a slightly more bold, emboldened 261 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: approach to to refitting this team. And that goes beyond 262 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: the plane eleven if you get my drift. 263 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: Yes, well yeah, and that's interesting, you know which. 264 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: The other thing is that two young guys that have 265 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: been given a crack, Will O'Rourke in Rich and Revendra 266 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: sensational of our two of our best in Sri Lanka. 267 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a short break. Yes, well, 268 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: let's look at this Sri Lankan Test match and humiliation mate, 269 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: the amount of effing and jeffing going on in the 270 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Hoyde Householder, I had to shut the doors. Not good. 271 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: And you know, and we mentioned this on the previous podcast. 272 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: I do believe you know things that we were notoriously 273 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: known for our fielding and things like that just some 274 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: really substandard play, Dylan, basic stumping catches, you know what 275 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah? 276 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: The first morning was just awful, wasn't it. 277 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: It was dreadful. 278 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: The cat the Mitchell of her slip that he shelled 279 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: was so easy that there was no emotion. There was 280 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: no like will I just ran up the wicket because 281 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: it was such a standard edge. Mitchell was going to 282 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: pocket at Sri Lanka were going to be ten for two. 283 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: They're going to gather around, pair each other on the back. 284 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: And it went down and no one, no one could 285 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: quite believe it. They couldn't even get angry about it 286 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 2: because it was just, oh, holy hell, how did that happen? Yes, 287 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: and then the stumping went in and out and once 288 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: that ball got old, they just didn't even look like 289 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: getting a wicket. It was just all fairly. 290 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: Sad. Yeah, mundane tedious pulled forward. 291 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a bloody tough going, no question about it. 292 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: Jason wanted to acknowledge you did predict to Neil despite 293 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: your talk of optimism, you did speak about you did 294 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: predict that Schlinka would win the series two. 295 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: Now, I but on that, and I also had a 296 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: feeling that we were going to get a shallacking in 297 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: the second Test. And I know that's hindsight, but I thought, 298 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, we did well in that first Test, 299 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: but I've got a horrible feeling we're going to get 300 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: our asses handed to us. Then we batted pul forward 301 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: and what an absolute travesty. That was? What the bloody hell? 302 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, look it was, yeah, it was. It was crazy. 303 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: And look there were some kind of you could blame 304 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: the pitch for this and that, you know, and it 305 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: was tricky, absolutely, but there was also some sensational catching 306 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: from the shlankins in the slips, yes, and the outfield 307 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 3: and close. They were unbelievably good. They were magnificent and 308 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: they were the polar opposite of us. Yeah, and you 309 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 3: just say, yeah, some of those wickets, you know, the 310 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: dicey Conway catch, Phillips, Kamakazi, Mitchell outslogging, Phillips out slogging, Conway, 311 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: spooning one up, Blundle missing a reverse suite. It wasn't 312 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: all just sort of you know, the ball beating the 313 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: bat because it was ragging square. There was a bit 314 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 3: of there was a bit of madness in there as well. 315 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: Can I just get off a one slight caveat to 316 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: the news owman, it was appalling eighty eight all out 317 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: when you're chasing six hundred and two for five, there's 318 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: nothing good you can say about it. But they battered 319 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: themselves into a hole and they allowed the Sri Lankan 320 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 2: spin twins to get into this incredible rhythm which was 321 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: in the end unshakable. But there was a reason for that, 322 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: I think. And they went into back quite late on 323 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 2: day two, so they just had that defensive mindset get 324 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: through the day, and then they came out again the 325 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: next morning with a night watchman who simply hasn't got 326 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 2: the skills to take the attack to Sri Lanka, so 327 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: they tried to rebuild. So they had this period on 328 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: the second evening in the third morning where they were 329 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: just batting in quicksand and that's our best player doing 330 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: that as well, came Williamson. Yes, So that felt like 331 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: quite a big moment in the game, was that we 332 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: just couldn't budge those spinners off their lengths and it 333 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: just meant that everyone coming afterwards had to try something 334 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit beyond their skill level, and Sri 335 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: dl anchor and their tails up again. It doesn't excuse 336 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: eighty eight, which is appalling, But I think that what 337 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: that was. The one mitigating factor was the circumstance of 338 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: having that andn split by the end of day two. 339 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: Yes, do we want to read a bit of correspondence, 340 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: he Daniel writes Fellows hard not to see the bollocking 341 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: from Sri Lanka as punishment from the gods of cricket. 342 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: While watching the boys capitulate wasn't quite being tied to 343 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: a rock and having your liver plucked out by an eagle. 344 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: At times it got pretty close. Facing a must win 345 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: test and choosing a stick with a Choosing to stick 346 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: with the team that included elements that severely underperformed is 347 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: not just conservative, it's hubristic and dumb. Punishment was meted 348 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: out by the gods of cricket, and we were brought 349 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: low and reminded of our grim, mortal lot to toil 350 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: upon the green. Where the hell do we go from here? 351 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: Surely stared in the conservative Canterbury faction have learned their lesson? 352 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: Or are we doomed to repeat this cosmic mistake of 353 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: picking a subpar team under the guise of consistency for 354 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: the rest of this painful cricketing summer. 355 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: I think we've got half an answer today, didn't. 356 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 3: We appeal to the deity there From Daniel. 357 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 2: Hey Mike from Coroco writes under the subject line from 358 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: Sri Lanka with distaste, I'm writing from Tangali Beach. I 359 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: hope I said that right after scarpering the hell out 360 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: of Gaul once the FASCAL Second Test ended. After riding 361 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: in Sri Lanka in time for the First Test again, 362 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: pitched up to the Gaul cricket ground, hoping for another 363 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: fighting performance from the black Caps. No need to mention 364 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: how that went. My journey to the pearl of the 365 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 2: Indian notion hasn't been without its hecups. I kicked off 366 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: with a whale watching excursion off the coast of Gaul. 367 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: On the way out to see, the skipper climbed onto 368 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: the top deck of his boat and advised everyone to 369 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: head to the lower deck to mitigate the likelihood of 370 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 2: sea sickness coming from the current home of the America's Cap. 371 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: I scoffed at that suggestion and sniggered at the landlubbers 372 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: scurrying to the lower deck. Fifteen minutes later, I was 373 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: leant over the side of the boat offloading my breakfast 374 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 2: on the fishes. Unfortunately, for the other tourists below, the 375 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: sea breeze blew my fruit plater breakfast in their direction 376 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: and they were cascaded with a rainbow of colors. We 377 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: all got to see a bunch of whales. 378 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: Though. 379 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: The upside of the second test, to bark All is 380 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: that it's given me a few more days to explore 381 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: the Indian Ocean tear drop. Tomorrow, I'm off to a 382 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: wildlife safari in the National Park and then onto the 383 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 2: tea plantations in the whole country. I'm hoping the rest 384 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: of my trip will help remove the bitter taste of 385 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: New Zealand's two test losses and put me in a 386 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: good spirits for the home tests against the Palms. Best 387 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: not to mention the upcoming India tour. Yes, I think 388 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: that's a very good point. 389 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 3: Which national parks are going to Dylan? 390 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: Did you say I think he's going to the Dawalawa 391 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: National Park. 392 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me say that one. 393 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: Umm. 394 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, as an overall view, fellas, 395 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: I mean, after the second test, I just have you know, 396 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: we've got India coming up now, and I just don't 397 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: know what direction we're going to be going in because 398 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know that we have many of norths. Yes, 399 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: but I don't know about you, fellas, But I can't 400 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: help but feel we're going to get our asses handed 401 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: to us over in India. 402 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: Well, they just took two days to beat a relatively 403 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: competitive Bangladesh team too, so they're not sure to form themselves. 404 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: They could put three elevens and beat New Zealand and 405 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: India at the moment. 406 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 3: Yes, they treated Bangladesh with absolute disdain. In the second 407 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: Test match, it was it was. 408 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 2: Well, will there be changes? I mean, let's talk through that. 409 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: I mean the fifteen that went to Sri Lanka we 410 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: only got to see eleven of them because of that 411 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: hubristic as Daniel Rhodes conservative selection policy for the second Test. 412 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: Are there changes? I think we've got to take it 413 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: as read. We've got to take it at face value 414 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: that Tim Salvie will be going, Tom Lathan will be going. 415 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: Can you guys see any ins and outs in the fifteen? 416 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: Not really, that's the problem. 417 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: Mitchell Sentner. I know he got a few cheap runs 418 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: on that second things, but. 419 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: And the high score in the first but you know, 420 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: I feel this is cruel. 421 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: But I discard anything that happened in that New Zealand 422 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: second innings. It was the most inconsequential betting conditions you're 423 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: ever getting. 424 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and it also just for me, highlighted how badly 425 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: we played in the first Yeah. I mean in terms 426 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: of like on field elevens, you've got to have Henry 427 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: in there. I wouldn't have Salvie. Yes, Mitchell Santner. Did 428 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: he do enough and show enough because he was in 429 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: good form bowling wise, but he didn't impress that much 430 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: with the ball over in Sri Lanka. 431 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: One wicked I think. 432 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was like Conway, for example, Paul Ford. 433 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean he got a what is it sixty on 434 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: the second innings, finally got some runs. 435 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: Dashing sixty two. 436 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: Yes, really pissed off looking sixty after as a dicey 437 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 3: first innings dismissed or i'd wager, But yeah, I mean, frankly, 438 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: it's hard to see any changes that they will make. 439 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're not going to bench some of 440 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 3: those guys after those performances in the first Test, you've 441 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: give them given them another test where they've got absolutely dumped, 442 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: you're just going to stick with them, I would suggest, 443 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: I can't see any changes. Maybe maybe an addition or two. 444 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 3: I don't know if Cole Jamison's back. I think he 445 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: was out six months with a Streuss fracture, so he 446 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 3: might be one, you know that's possibly in contention. And 447 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 3: then then really you're looking at the likes of I 448 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: guess a Nathan Smith or something like that, just adding 449 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: to the squad and giving yourself a few more options. 450 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: Ashuck. 451 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: I don't think he's ready yet. He's coming off a 452 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: long term injuries and. 453 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 3: He's surged surgery, I think as well. 454 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 2: Right, okay, and I think you'd probably rather than throw 455 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: him to the to the lions, I think you'd probably 456 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: look at it East Sodi if you were going to 457 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 2: go in the direction of a leggy wrispinner. Anyway. 458 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I see happening actually is, you know, 459 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: we'll have little bright spots of performance, but the ultimate 460 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: rule result will be a thumping test loss. That's how 461 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: I see this playing out. Someone will shine for a 462 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: little while and then we'll get pummeled. 463 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: It's just how one of those bright spots occurs on 464 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: a Tuesday before before a podcast, so we can grasp 465 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 2: onto that and fill our listeners with some sunshine. 466 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 3: And just to remind ourselves. It was humiliating, but it 467 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: was not our largest first innings deficit, which was versus 468 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: Pakistan in two thousand and two. Thank you in or 469 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 3: Huk and show up actor who I think was a 470 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 3: triple century in a six for eleven something like that. 471 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, good times. Well here's some positive news fellers, white fans. 472 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah no, come on, is hope. Well they won a 473 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: warm up game against South Africa and comprehensively too, I 474 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: might add Paul Forward. 475 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, they have snapped. I think it was at 476 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: ten was a ten nineteen eleven t twenties in a 477 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: raw they lost executively. 478 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 2: Does not officially count though, unfortunately because it was not 479 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: a eleven on eleven. 480 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 3: Hey, it counts for me, Dylan, it counts for. 481 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: Me at least. 482 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: Grasp older that. 483 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, you see grasp on grasping. I feel like one 484 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 3: of those sport climbers at the at the Olympics. 485 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 486 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: Look, it's scary as well. We've also lost at England, 487 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 3: but we're not going to get into that too much. 488 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 3: But it's amazing we've met. We've played England seventeen times 489 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: this year and we've lost fifteen of those games, so 490 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: I guess, thank god they're not in our group. But yeah, 491 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 3: unfortunately Australia and India both are. So yeah, look, it's 492 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: going to be tricky first game as against India or 493 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: on Saturday morning, and you'd say on form, winning one 494 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 3: out of two and a week means that we are 495 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: going in with a listener raw compared to what we've 496 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 3: been doing over the last ten months. 497 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: Now, that's amazing when you sort of reflect upon it, 498 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: with both of the men and the woman, I mean, 499 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: how did we get here? How did we get to 500 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: such a pessimistic place after being World Test champions and stuff. 501 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: It's just been it feels like a very slow decline. 502 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I mentioned before and I stand by this. 503 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: I just think we went from being innovative to comfortable. Yes, 504 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 2: And like slowly boiled frogs. We were in a pot 505 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: and the element was turned up into one and we're 506 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: comfortable for a long time, and it was quite pleasantly warm, 507 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: and by the time we realized we were boiling, we 508 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: could not extract ourselves from the pot. And how our 509 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: flesh is falling off and we're about to be devoured. 510 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a short break. Well, let's 511 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: chair ourselves up with a bit of Paul Ford's news 512 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 1: or ruse, shall we? 513 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 3: Jap? WoT has the Oi Hoy trophy out west? 514 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 1: Magnificent polish over the weekend. Thanks. I should have sent 515 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: some packs for Dylan to just try and imagine what 516 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: it's like on his mantal piece. 517 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 3: You know what I mean as voodoo He his voodoo 518 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: dolls over there on the shore. Okay, three bits of news. 519 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: There'll be something wrong with one of them. Number one. 520 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 3: Kevin Peterson helped broak a landmark deal between IPL franchise 521 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: the Delhi Capitals in English County Hampshire. Hampshire this week 522 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: announced a new strategic partnership with the GMR Group on Monday, 523 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: which Peterson hailed as an historic day in English cricket. 524 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 3: Congrats to everyone on this journey. It's only the start. 525 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: Let effing go, he screamed on Twitter formerly or was 526 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 3: it ex formerly Twitter? 527 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: Anyway. 528 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 3: Peterson, of course, paid for Hampshire from two thousand and 529 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 3: five to twenty ten and played for the Delhi franchise 530 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 3: then known as the dare Devils in the IPL, including 531 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: as captain in twenty fourteen. Krakinfo reported brilliantly that he 532 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: has maintained a close personal personal relationship with gmr's bazillionaire 533 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: owner Kuran Kumar Grandi. Number two New Zealand's domestic T 534 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: twenty champions will be crowned in Wellington this summer, not 535 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: because Wellington will necessarily win, but because Altera Roh's home 536 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 3: of cricket, the Basin Reserve, will host a sweet Little 537 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: Finals weekend in early February. For the first time in 538 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 3: the combined competition's history. The winners will be decided at 539 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: a predetermined venue. The Supersmash comprises thirty two men's and 540 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: women's double headers at ten venues across Altierro TVNZ plus 541 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 3: and on Duke So Freedomware, which is lovely. The Road 542 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 3: to the Basin will begin on Boxing Day at seven 543 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: formerly known as Martinsteden Park in Hamilton. As the twenty 544 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 3: twenty four champs, the Auckland ass began their title defense 545 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: against nd who won it in twenty twenty two and 546 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. The competition will also be broadcast to 547 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: Australia India for betting sub Saharan, Africa, the UK and 548 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: the US and number three Dylan You're gonna you know, 549 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: I know you love this guy already. And Indian left 550 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: handed prodigy who loves Brian Lara began to haunt Australia 551 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: and probably the rest of world cricket. At Chippauk on Tuesday, 552 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: when vibarv Suria one, she nonchoalantly launched Thomas Brown over 553 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: mid wicket for an audacious sixth in the India Under 554 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 3: nineteen Youth Test against Australia, This thirteen year old Wunderkinder 555 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 3: became the youngest ever to score in an international century 556 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: at any level. He made one hundred and four of 557 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 3: sixty two in what was described as his unique, authoritative 558 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 3: style that defies his age. Century was off fifty eight 559 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: deliveries and was the fastest century and under nineteen Test 560 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 3: matches since Joe Denley took fifty six balls back in 561 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: two thousand and five. What did he say? 562 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: Love this? 563 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 3: I never feel threatened, be it fast bowlers or spinners. 564 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 3: I love to hit them. 565 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: That is my mindset. 566 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: This is frightening. This guy's going to be playing the 567 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: next twenty five years. My god, look out. 568 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: Can we get him into the New Zealand side? Maybe? 569 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: How can a thirteen year will be playing an under 570 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: nineteen cricket? I'm pretty sure there will be illegal in 571 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: New Zealand. 572 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was going to be my You've got 573 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: to be bruising about his age, surely, but taken that 574 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: off the table by doubling down on it. I think 575 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: I sent you a screenshot of that scorecard because I 576 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: was just looking at going I can't believe. 577 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: This eighty something of forty at that point. 578 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're one hundred and four without lass than 579 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: this kid had an eighty something of them. Yeah, ooh shit. 580 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go with story number two. 581 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: I read stories one three. I think they're right. I 582 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: know that the finals weekend is in Wellington, that part 583 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: of it's true. Maybe maybe Ndy aren't the twenty two 584 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: to twenty three champs as well. 585 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Weirdly enough, I didn't think Auckland were the current champs. 586 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: But then that's my razzled brain. M I'm going to 587 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: go three and the age because I can't accept that 588 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: he's thirteen. 589 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: We should both wash your mouths out for that. Because 590 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: he's thirteen years one hundred and eighty eight days, which 591 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: is unbelievable. I totally. I think it's a their thing 592 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 3: to call out. But no, the fastest century in under 593 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 3: nineteen Test cricket was not Joe Dinley. It was Moween Arley. 594 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Queen Arley. 595 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 3: So Jason, you retain the trophy comfortably. 596 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: Hey, now listen, it's a pyrrhic victory, that one, really, 597 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: Dylan Cleavers, Who am I? Though? The answer we got 598 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: we got sent this in from Luckey b geid A. Lads, 599 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: it's Lockey here, Dad and I just listened to your 600 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: latest podcast on the Way to the Cricket in Hamilton. 601 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: We believe that this week's who am I? As black Cat? 602 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: Number one? Ted Badcock? 603 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 2: Correct? 604 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: Cheers, Fowlers love hearing the BBIC on the way to 605 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: the Cricket, Locky and. 606 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: Dad great, these got the regular listeners. Lockie Lover get 607 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: to you and your old man. I know this is 608 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: a very nerdy thing to say, but I'm going to 609 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: say it anyway. We've never had a Test cricket that 610 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 3: starts with A and finner. Allen was going to be 611 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: it and he's not going to be it. So we're 612 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: going to have to wait another thousand years for that 613 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 3: to happen. 614 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: Chats good lord, check, alabasta, green, alabasta, Oh do you reckon? 615 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: It's okay. When you said alphabetically, though, I was like, 616 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 3: is he the first Test cricketer by the. 617 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: Alphabet yes, because they obviously had to play a first 618 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: Test at some stage in that very first Test team 619 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: didn't have someone beginning to day. 620 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: Okay, thank god, I can sleep again. 621 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: Who you got this week there for us? 622 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: I can clear that up, you radio? Who am I? 623 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: I might well be described as the original enphon Terry 624 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 2: Blair of New Zealand cricket. On one of New Zealand's 625 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 2: most gilded tours, my manager said of me, if only 626 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: he would curb an impetuosity to make a century, not 627 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: merely before lunch, but as it sometimes seemed, before breakfast. 628 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: That was the thing about me. Nobody doubted my talent. 629 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: Bert Sucliffe no less described me as being light on 630 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: my feet, like a dancer, but with a full array 631 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 2: of shots. But my record was, even accounting for the times, 632 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: objectively poor. I played twenty five Tests and saw an 633 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: uncommon amount of New Zealand victories. Three more than Bert, 634 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: for example, but my ten year career netted just one 635 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: ton in an average south of twenty. My first class career, 636 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 2: all spent in the South was slightly better, though my 637 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: five to thirty eight hundreds to fifties ratio spoke to 638 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 2: my propensity for classy cameos rather than innings of substance. 639 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: By the way, this isn't actually me speaking, because I 640 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 2: died in two thousand and seven. Ah any clues fellas. No, 641 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: it is actually quite a famous and I won't say 642 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 2: popular because there's a lot of frustration with him, but 643 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: quite a well known cricketer of the age. So I 644 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: hope that helps you out there in listener land. 645 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: Great stuff Pull forwards cricket violence corner. Pull forwards cricket 646 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: violence corner. 647 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: A low key Indian cricket tournament named the MCC Weekdays 648 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 3: Bash lived up to its name. In the final between 649 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 3: Aero Visa and Rabdan. The Bash was brought and the 650 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 3: fixture was marred by controversy after rapdown bar the Khasi 651 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 3: Muhammad and of Lisa bowler Narsia Ali were involved in abrawl. 652 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: The incident happened on the final ball of the thirteenth 653 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: over after Narsia dismissed Kashif and gave him a sensational 654 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: fiery send off, quite a long one with pointing and yelling. 655 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 3: Kashif started walking off and then decided he had enough 656 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 3: swung around as the bowler continued to hurl abuse and 657 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 3: a full scrap erupted. As they were fighting and the 658 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 3: umpires and teammates trying to separate them, Nasia broke free 659 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: of the pack, grabbed the non striker's back and wrapped 660 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,799 Speaker 3: it around Kashif. Sensational stuff in the weekday Bash. 661 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: Good lord. 662 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 2: Can I just say one thing there that I don't 663 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 2: want to resort to lazy tropes here, but I don't 664 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: think there's any such thing as a low key tournament 665 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: in India. 666 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, fair enough? Hey, now pull Ford getting into 667 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: our correspondence. I believe you've made a rap song about 668 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: Eden Park. 669 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Can I give you a bit of context on that, Jason, Yes, Jo. 670 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 3: We had some correspondents from Peter d and at read 671 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 3: as follows. Great to have the b ysc back. This 672 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 3: is a sometime hobby horse of Dylan's. But I know 673 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 3: with the release of the Ford Trophy schedule, Auckland's official 674 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 3: domestic home ground until Christmas at least, appears to have 675 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 3: become the Bay Oval, a mere two hundred and thirty 676 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 3: kilometer trip from the usual home, which is of course 677 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 3: situated in the car park of a well known Rugby stadium. 678 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 3: The vagaries of Auckland Stadium politics are not something anyone 679 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 3: looking forward to someone wants to get into. But imagine 680 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 3: explaining to Cricket of Fitzionado's The World Over that the 681 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 3: domestic side from our most popular center are effectively refugees 682 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 3: because well we just haven't got round two sorting that 683 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 3: one out yet, Mate from Pete d now research on 684 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 3: this and the reason why those matches are being played 685 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: at Mount Molanui because there is a Travis Scott concert 686 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 3: on jc be a huge fan of Travis Scott, wouldn't 687 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 3: you know? Anyway? I decided Adela, and I'm very glad 688 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on what the hell's going on here. 689 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 3: But before we do, I just warm you guys up 690 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 3: with a rap song that I made in the Trevor 691 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 3: Scott style about Eden Park. 692 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: Currently the hype shape. We couldn't script this type. 693 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 3: I'll field lightning paste chased the light bombrous peas, spinner words, 694 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 3: crickets ace, boundary world, smella, set of bas well lets 695 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 3: in my flaking smart well make your. 696 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: Mind all of the crab dreams out loud. We ain't 697 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: mouth cricket changing out of barrios loud. 698 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 5: Bloody, good mate, and it's not bad pulled forward. Great work, 699 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 5: great work, just on that. I mean, what a bloody travesty, 700 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 5: Dylan Cleaver. I mean, for God's. 701 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 2: Sake, this is what happens when you're involved in autand 702 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 2: cricket and you get so tunnel visioned you so hitch 703 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 2: your wagon to Eden Park. So Eden Park is our 704 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,359 Speaker 2: spiritual home, not only that is our future. Meanwhile, Eating 705 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: Parker going. I actually we'd rather have concerts here than cricket. 706 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: Would rather bring some money. Yes, what are flip and shambles? 707 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 2: Auckland gets exactly what they deserve from the administrators that 708 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: they have. 709 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: Yes, because I I was, I've spent a lot of 710 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: quality time at Eating Partner number two. It's quite a 711 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: lovely little boutique sort of ground. 712 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, I can't stand it. 713 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: I love it. 714 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 3: I love it. 715 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: I love it. Back in the old days, you know, 716 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, but I mean, you know the biggest center 717 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: in the country. We can't find a ground for our cricketers. 718 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: Is embarrassing and stupid. Pull forward. If people want to 719 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: get in touch with us, what do they do? Mate? 720 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,399 Speaker 3: Look as your short epistle to b y C at 721 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 3: Base Brigade dot co dot NZ or slide into the 722 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 3: d MS of the Alternative Commentary Collective all the Base 723 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 3: Brigade on Instagram or Facebook and they'll find their. 724 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: Way to it. And what's going on with the Bounce 725 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: at the moment, they're Dylan Clever graduations. 726 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I brought up the five hundred Wow. Yeah, so 727 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: five hundred newsletters. If you've been with me from the start, 728 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 2: that means five hundred punishing emails have dropped into your 729 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 2: in bugs if you haven't, If you've just joined, it's 730 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: great to have your board. If you want to join, 731 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: if you're curious, Dylan Cleaver dot substack dot com, or 732 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 2: just google Dylan Cleaver in the Bounce and come along 733 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 2: for the ride. 734 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: Good on you, mate. Hey Nellison, you know, I got 735 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: to apologize to the listeners. It's been a slightly pessimistic, 736 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: depressing kind of podcast. Reasonable, but that's just the reality 737 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: that we find ourselves in at the moment, and I 738 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: think we're just going to have to grad our teeth 739 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: and hold on to our couches and have a few 740 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: beersies when we're watching the Indian tour pull forward. 741 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to say. It's interesting, isn't it how 742 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 3: the cycle of expectation comes comes around? 743 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: Right? 744 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 3: So twenty years ago this is where we were. The 745 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 3: generation of players that we've had, and all of the 746 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 3: amazing success has completely reset our expectations and suddenly we're 747 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 3: not being like facetious and silly kind of barmy army 748 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 3: styles about sort of like all of the losses and 749 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. We actually are surprised that 750 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 3: we're not winning cricket games, and we're actually surprised that 751 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 3: we're getting flogged in a few test matches. This is 752 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 3: just back to reality. So we'll get through this sort 753 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 3: of the doom and gloom all the way back to 754 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 3: being our sort of tongue in cheek self. I'd imagine 755 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,240 Speaker 3: over the next few months. 756 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: Speak for yourself, Paul I, I'm going to be spewing 757 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: over us the next few weeks. I can tell you 758 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: that much. Dylan. I just know I'm going to be 759 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: passed off. 760 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 2: I've still got a few months of angsty, insistential kind 761 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 2: of crisisy left in me before I can get to 762 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 2: that facetious tongue in cheek haha. Look at us all 763 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,879 Speaker 2: out for ninety two against England at the Basing kind 764 00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 2: of thing. 765 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, thanks for taking no no, thanks for taking 766 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: the time to listen. We'll be back, same time, same place, 767 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: next week until the end. See you later.