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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four on the early edition with Smith City,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's furniture Vans and a play at store US Dogs.

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Speaker 2: It'd be good morning, welcome to your Thursday six after five.

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Speaker 2: Great to have your company coming up in our lead

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Speaker 2: interview before six this morning, Police on how many gang

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Speaker 2: patches they've picked up in the last waters have been

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Speaker 2: now five hours since the stroke of midnight. We're also

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Speaker 2: going to Mitch McCanns Stateside JD Varnce at Capitol Hill

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Speaker 2: trying to get Trump's cabinet confirmed. We'll have the latest

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Speaker 2: on Ukraine and also the three quarters of a billion

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Speaker 1: The agenda.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday to twenty first of November. So the

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Speaker 2: United States has closed its Kiv embassy after a specific

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Speaker 2: information of a potential significant air attack from the Russians.

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Speaker 3: Tell of ordinary residents of the capital here about that

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Speaker 3: they had two and a half hour air a siren

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Speaker 3: this morning, another forty five minute one early in the

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Speaker 3: incoming attacks. It's a nightly thing here, but it is

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Speaker 3: highly abnormal for essentially American diplomat to be told to

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Speaker 2: Well, I suppose that's what happens when you give them

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Speaker 2: Italy and Greece have temporarily closed these as well. Ukraine says,

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Speaker 2: Biden's given them, because there is more to Camman. A second.

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Speaker 2: In the UK, inflation has jumped two point three percent,

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Speaker 2: This means for them the cost of living crisis is

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Speaker 2: who's just done a big text and spend budget. The

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Speaker 2: The Technology Secretary they are saying it's possible a social

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Speaker 2: media ban for under sixteen's is on the table.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to go to things like blanket bands

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Speaker 4: opportunities presented by modern technology, but where there are harms,

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Speaker 4: I will keep everything on the table.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do this, but I don't want

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Speaker 2: to do that, So what really am I going to do?

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Speaker 2: The Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is proposing changes to name

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Speaker 2: permanent name suppression order for an adult convicted of a

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Speaker 2: sexual offense unless the victim agrees to it. The proposed

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Speaker 2: automatic name suppression. That seems fair enough. If somebody's film

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Speaker 2: during you didn't know what was happening, and you're a victim,

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Speaker 2: why should you be named in court something that doesn't

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Speaker 1: early edition with Ryan Bridge and fith City, New Zealand's.

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Speaker 2: Fo to bed and a plan Store, you talk say

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Speaker 2: name suppression. I've always thought it weird that you would

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't you? Like, sure, if you're found guilty of a crime,

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Speaker 2: It's always seemed a little bit weird to me. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the number to text Regional Economy. We've got an update

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Speaker 2: B two is the number to text. We'll talk why

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Speaker 2: It's not working. Spray and Bridge qut A past five.

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Speaker 2: Great to have your company this morning. So NZTA spent

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Speaker 2: Good morning, morning r Now, Unfortunately, I think there is

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Speaker 2: Does he have a point? Are we spending too much?

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Speaker 7: Without question?

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Speaker 2: He's the police assays and commissioner in charge of this band.

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Speaker 2: Ye Morning Ride. This is an agg research study.

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Speaker 9: Change how farmers treat young bobby calves, as almost two

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Clear the smell is finding a go away.

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Speaker 10: Oh, this is the smell that's just gone on and

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Speaker 2: Thank you Mexis and Wellington, mex there's a missing bird.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, this is actually quite an upsetting story. At the

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Speaker 11: Quite how she was stolen, no one really knows. Staglands

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Speaker 2: What does she say?

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Speaker 11: She can say hello, darling and hallo pepper, which the

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Speaker 12: plans that were announced on Tuesday. So chief executive there

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Speaker 12: of water Care, Dave Chambers, he's declined to say how

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Speaker 12: many of his thirteen hundred staff could be impacted. So

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Speaker 12: that's all we know at this stage for those guys.

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Speaker 2: Never nice thing to happen around Christmas time, is it.

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Speaker 2: How's the weather, Neva.

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Speaker 12: We got scattered showers but they will clear this afternoon. Southwesterly,

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Speaker 12: strong in it'sposed places. Nineteen is the high here in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant, our wonderful Neva in Auckland, Bryan Bridge, Lots of

447
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Speaker 2: your texts coming in this morning on and I want

448
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Speaker 2: to get to them very quickly on the gang patch

449
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Speaker 2: ban and also on the traffic management because we heard

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Speaker 2: earlier we've gone down this huge experimental road of overly

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Speaker 2: prescriptive traffic management and guess what deaths of road workers

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Speaker 2: went up. It was a failure. This is from one

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Speaker 2: of our listeners this morning, Mark, Good morning Ryan. We

454
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Speaker 2: had a stop go person outside our house doing roadworks

455
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Speaker 2: and he fell asleep under a tree. My wife thought

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Speaker 2: he was dead, walked over and woke him up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you would fall asleep, wouldn't you, because you're just sitting

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Speaker 2: there doing nothing. And now they've got those traffic lights

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Speaker 2: that do the stop go job for you. So what

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Speaker 2: are they doing there? I don't know. Anyway, it's apparently

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Speaker 2: we're going to change.

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Speaker 5: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I live in a small provincial town in the North Island.

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Speaker 2: For more than three months before work started on repairing

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Speaker 2: the roads State Highway Too, there were hundreds of road

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Speaker 2: cones blocking off a passing lane with no indication of

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Speaker 2: what for and for how long. That's the other big

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Speaker 2: complaint is that they finished the job and leave the

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Speaker 2: cones behind.

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business just go on quarter to six.

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Speaker 2: Paul Basham, the Police Assistant Commissioner, with us in just

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Speaker 2: a few moments. Right now, Mitch McCann is stateside. Mitch,

474
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Speaker 2: a very tricky task on Capital Hell jd Vance is there.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to get Trump's cabinet confirmed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's Ryan, Good morning, Ryan.

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Speaker 13: It's no secret Donald Trump has chosen some controversial choices.

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Speaker 13: I think is fair to say for his cabinet, people

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Speaker 13: like Robert F. Kennedy Junior. He's accused of being an

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Speaker 13: anti vaxer. Pete Higseth, he's a TV host on Fox News.

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Speaker 13: He's been accused in the past of sexual assault. But

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Speaker 13: perhaps the most controversial here is the now former Florida

483
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Speaker 13: Congressman Matt Gates, who Donald Trump is lined up to

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Speaker 13: be his attorney general now. He was investigated by the

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Speaker 13: FBI over six trafficking allegations, including that he had six

486
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Speaker 13: with a seventeen year old girl. He denies this and

487
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Speaker 13: wasn't charged, but a new report from lawmakers investigate his

488
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Speaker 13: conduct is being kept under wraps for now.

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Speaker 5: Gates is on Capitol Hill today with JD.

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Speaker 13: Vance as they try and convince lawmakers or senators that

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Speaker 13: are going to have to confirm his appointment that he

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Speaker 13: is good enough or he's credible enough for that job.

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Speaker 13: It's going to be a tall order because people have

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Speaker 13: already spoken out against him, but it would be quite

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Speaker 13: the defeat for Donald Trump if he does get rejected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how's the cyclone the bomb cycclone that's cutting power

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Speaker 2: to thousands going?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so womans did hundreds of thousands of people are

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Speaker 13: without power this morning in the northwest of the US

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Speaker 13: because of this bomb cyclone. This morning, more than six

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Speaker 13: hundred thousand homes in Washington we're without power, and around

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Speaker 13: fifteen thousand customers were experiencing outages in California. Most of

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Speaker 13: the storm is going to pass later today, but there

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Speaker 13: is going to be stream rainfall four parts of California.

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Speaker 2: Do you see many gang patches where you are in

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Speaker 2: New York?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 13: Actually, And I was explaining to an American friend the

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Speaker 13: other day or a British friend that I work with,

510
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Speaker 13: about gang patches and they didn't even know what they were.

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Speaker 13: And when I Google game patches, New Zealand was the

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Speaker 13: first thing that came up.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not sure it's something we want to be

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Speaker 5: known for overseas.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not, but it is something that's sort of

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Speaker 2: quite It is quite uniquely US, and the Aussies as

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Speaker 2: well have a big problem with it. Mitch, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Way out of your purview now, aren't we. Mitch McCann,

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Speaker 2: who's our US correspondent with US from New York City,

520
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Speaker 2: just gone thirteen away from six rich So the gang

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Speaker 2: patch ban, Will we soon become like New York and

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Speaker 2: no longer see them on the streets. The force of

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Speaker 2: the band is now in force. Police have been preparing

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Speaker 2: for the new rules for six months and say they

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Speaker 2: are ready to enforce them. It's not just rules around

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Speaker 2: signia changing today though, Police will be able to issue

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Speaker 2: non consulting audios to stop consulting audios orders, I should say,

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Speaker 2: to stop them talking to each other and associating with

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Speaker 2: each other. Paul Basham is the police Assistant Commissioner. He's

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Speaker 2: with me live this morning. Good morning, Good morning, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Have you had any taken in yet? Have you got

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Speaker 2: any patches?

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Speaker 8: No, not this far. We have noticed an increase in reporting,

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Speaker 8: but the increased reporting, that is to say, sighting of

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Speaker 8: gang members out and about in public, occurred before midnight

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Speaker 8: last night, as it were, And so of course the

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Speaker 8: legislation hasn't come live until midnight last night. So as

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Speaker 8: I talk to you now on the information that I've

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Speaker 8: got and we are still collating events from overnight, we

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Speaker 8: actually haven't issued a prosecution at this point, although we

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Speaker 8: have had the odd increase in reporting where we've dealt

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Speaker 8: with gang members as we normally would for different.

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Speaker 2: Things, and were they wearing their patches when you dealt

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Speaker 2: with them.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, we've definitely noticed in the last twenty four

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Speaker 8: hours or sort of hours proceeding midnight, that there were

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Speaker 8: a more overt display of or more presence of gang

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Speaker 8: members wearing gang patches and public or you know.

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Speaker 2: One last rah, sorry, one last hurrah before midnight.

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Speaker 8: Well that might be from their perspective. You know, we

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Speaker 8: we we're dealing with gang members and their behavior up

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Speaker 8: and down the country every day, so we get reporting

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Speaker 8: about criminal behavior all the time. So the reporting that

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Speaker 8: I'm talking to you about this morning is that plus

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Speaker 8: what I would see is sort of just a heightened

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Speaker 8: awareness from the public, you know, reporting and other things

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Speaker 8: that of course weren't triggered by the legislation until.

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Speaker 2: Last night, right And so after midnight, did you has

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Speaker 2: police had any interactions with gang members and if so,

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Speaker 2: were they were in their patches? You don't know?

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Speaker 8: Oh, look, it's truly really and we're collating things from overnight.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I know we've, as I said, you know,

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Speaker 8: we deal with gang members and their behavior, things like

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Speaker 8: domestic violence and other stuff. So we would have been

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Speaker 8: doing that out last night as we normally do. But

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Speaker 8: if they're wearing their patches in their own homes. It's

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Speaker 8: not an offence that sort of thing. So I think

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Speaker 8: it's what's in front of us today, through this weekend,

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Speaker 8: in the next few weeks, which will be telling us.

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Speaker 2: You said your people have been phoning in with the

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Speaker 2: you know, I've seen them someone with a game patch.

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Speaker 2: What number do people call if I see a person

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Speaker 2: with a gang patch? Do I call one one one

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Speaker 2: or do I call one oh five?

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Speaker 8: It's a really good question. I think the same rule supply,

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Speaker 8: you know common teen supplies that people are frightened or scared,

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Speaker 8: you know, intimidated, or they're seeing something in front of them,

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Speaker 8: like a like an assault or something that has some

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Speaker 8: sort of violence and threat to life, then it's always

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Speaker 8: you know, one one one, as you normally would in

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Speaker 8: any situation where you were scared or felt threatened.

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Speaker 2: But if it's a game member picking up broccoli at countdown,

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Speaker 2: then one oh five.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, one IFI is probably been. And if it's something

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Speaker 8: that's historical, even online, you know, we've got to cope

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Speaker 8: with all sorts of demand and this is on top

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Speaker 8: of that. So it's just how we manage that. But

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Speaker 8: you know, the messages of people are frightened or scared

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Speaker 8: or they're seeing something that's you know, like physical harm,

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Speaker 8: then absolutely one one.

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Speaker 2: One is it do you have extra staff? Know how

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Speaker 2: many extra staff whose specific job it is to deal

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Speaker 2: with the game patch band? Do you have?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we said the Celestial Gang Unit back in

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Speaker 8: July I think it was. That's circa twenty five staff,

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Speaker 8: sort of like a support engine here in Wellington, and

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Speaker 8: then across the country there's in a distant seventy seven

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Speaker 8: positions that have been established. That's on top of you know,

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Speaker 8: other units like technical crime units and other units that

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Speaker 8: are sort of doing this sort of work. And you know,

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Speaker 8: we're you know, constavory work for a force of circer

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Speaker 8: ten thousands, and so we don't sort of see it

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Speaker 8: in sort of silos. We kind of would print of

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Speaker 8: view that we're seeing you approach.

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Speaker 2: In terms of priority. I mean, if you know you've

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Speaker 2: got murders, robberies and drug deals and whatever committed by gangs,

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Speaker 2: they're going to take priority over prosecutions for wearing a patch, right.

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Speaker 8: Well, we have to prioritize our demand every day, our

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Speaker 8: staff and our sergeancy team leaders and do that in

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Speaker 8: the course of a shift multiple times depending on what's

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Speaker 8: in front of them, you know, plasing situational. It's hard

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Speaker 8: to predict sometimes what the shift will look like. And

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Speaker 8: you know, our people are really good at making those

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Speaker 8: sorts of decisions, prioritizing, making the odd trade off where

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Speaker 8: they need to. But I would say that, you know,

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Speaker 8: from a crime science point of view, if you police

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Speaker 8: a small cohort that are proportionately like to cause more

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Speaker 8: damage and violence in communities, then you get a disproportional benefit.

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Speaker 8: It's the sort of twenty eight year old in crime science,

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Speaker 8: and so to the extent that gang members are often

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Speaker 8: associated with violent and other forms of criminal behavior using

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Speaker 8: this legislation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it a compounding interest effect on it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: appreciate what you're saying there, Paul, Thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for your time. Paul Bash and Police Assistant Commissioner just

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Speaker 2: gone seven minutes away from six patches off today.

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Speaker 1: Please the news you need this morning and the in

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Speaker 1: depth analysis early edition with Ryan Bridge and Fifth City,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's furniture Beds and a playing store.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, be five to six. Looks like the

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Speaker 2: Brits are joining the Americans on Ukraine. They have just fired.

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Speaker 2: This is according to Ukraine fired UK supplied long range

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Speaker 2: storm shadow missiles that Russian targets deep inside Russia. The

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Speaker 2: UK government not commenting on it at this stage. It's

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Speaker 2: just a report that's come up from the BBC. Mike

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Speaker 2: is here with us next. Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 14: Do you know how fast those missiles can fly?

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Speaker 2: I know how far they can go? Three hundred kilometers,

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Speaker 2: thousand kilometers?

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Speaker 14: And now do you know what the magic is? The

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Speaker 14: GPS you can't get them, can't shoot.

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Speaker 2: Them, and the kload one point seven.

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Speaker 14: They dodge you, so when you go to shoot them down.

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Speaker 2: They skid away. It's clear. Do you know what the

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Speaker 2: word of the year is for the Cambridge Dictionary this year?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 14: Cambridge. I saw the Australian one, which was Colesworth.

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Speaker 2: So what's Cambridge manifesting? Why? You know the celebrities they say,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to manifest this enough like Colesworth better than

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of. It's a combination of Cole's and Woolworths.

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Speaker 2: Because people got so angsty about supermarkets and their problems,

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Speaker 2: they call it cold. I thought that was quite good,

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Speaker 2: but manifesting is a bit annoying. I'm manifesting this and

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Speaker 2: it's going to happen. I mean, in some ways it's

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Speaker 2: I guess it's just like dreaming, isn't it. You have

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Speaker 2: a dream and you think about it.

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Speaker 14: No, manifesting is making it happen. Manifesting is it happens.

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Speaker 14: Dreaming is thinking. Manifesting is different than dreaming. Don't misleave

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Speaker 14: the audience.

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Speaker 8: Is like.

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Speaker 2: Meaning moving something into existence.

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Speaker 14: Yes, you're going to manifest it, to manifest us to do.

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Speaker 14: If I'm going to manifest a program that's actually going

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Speaker 14: to happen, I'm dreaming of doing the program means it

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Speaker 14: may or may not happen.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to manifest that the mine ends.

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Speaker 14: Well, No, that's that's really but by.

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