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Speaker 2: Hell you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Full show podcast number seventy four. Wow, so

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Speaker 2: it'll be seventy five tomorrow a milestone. Hey, great show today.

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Speaker 2: If you like billionaire hate, if you like hunting stories,

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Speaker 2: I'm a God, and some tragic hunting stories and dog

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Speaker 2: rescue stories. And of course what show would be complete

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Speaker 2: without some quite violent citizens arrests.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, taking people at the supermarket if you so choose,

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Speaker 3: and maybe maybe in a few days time.

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Speaker 2: Well look, sit to down my joos to follow and share,

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Speaker 2: and thank you so much for tuning in and give

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Speaker 2: them a taste of KIW love yours.

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Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons with the vult

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Speaker 1: ninety US Talk ZIB A very.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, cheer, Welcome into Tuesday seven pass one. I

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Speaker 3: hope you having a great afternoon. Get a match, Get eight, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I was talking before to the people that have

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Speaker 2: asked between twelve and one. No, not everyone does, yep,

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Speaker 2: but I was talking about oh week, yes, and Wellington

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Speaker 2: University getting a bit annoyed at people advertising on Victoria

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Speaker 2: Campus for a week. Anyway, it was a definition and

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Speaker 2: I asked, are there's still toga parties?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because I still enjoy the toga party back when I

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Speaker 2: was at the university.

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Speaker 3: Who didn't.

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Speaker 2: Here's the answer to that question, Hi, Matt Uni, toga

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Speaker 2: parties very much still happening, mate Tommy. His daughter rang

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Speaker 2: him up and said, Dad, you'll be proud of me.

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Speaker 2: I just bought a sheet to go to a toga party.

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Speaker 3: Oh that is good.

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Speaker 2: And he said why should I be proud? And she

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Speaker 2: said all the other ones are going on polowcases.

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Speaker 3: It's a step above. That's a classy form.

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Speaker 2: Is that just a set up for a joke?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: I mean toga party is a very American thing. But

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Speaker 3: that were so easy though, wasn't it? Because all you

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Speaker 2: And you got to go.

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Speaker 3: You really need to try too hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'll enjoy it to take a parting, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Right onto today's show after three o'clock. Should rescue

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Speaker 3: helicopters be taking trampers and hunters dogs with them if

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Speaker 3: they get into trouble. The Emeritime New Zealand Rescue Coordination

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Speaker 3: Center has said our urged donors not to activate personal

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Speaker 3: locator beacons for their dogs if their dogs get injured.

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Speaker 3: Can kind of understand that, but there is a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is rough one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: After two o'clock, US billionaire ped of Teel winds down

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Speaker 2: his New Zealand business interests and these do you registerrate

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Speaker 2: his companies? He's still got a passport. But the question

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Speaker 2: is do we do enough to keep billionaires billionaires here?

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Speaker 2: Do we do enough to invite them in here? And

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Speaker 2: Because you know, Peter Tail, very successful business then, very

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Speaker 2: He's getting quite active in New Zealand politics. You might go,

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Speaker 2: James Cameron, don't tell us what to do. You're a

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Speaker 3: Well, we seem to like that billionaire, but we don't

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, people don't people bring in the

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Speaker 2: But what about right now, Tyler?

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Speaker 3: Citizens arrest? Let's get into this. So a ministerial advisory

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one. So shop staff for security

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Speaker 2: They still have to use reasonable and probable grounds. They

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Speaker 2: reasonable force to hold you. However, they still don't have

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Speaker 2: So essentially, if someone's got one thousand dollars with a

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Speaker 2: But natural fairness and in the way that we see

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Speaker 2: And so if you're trying to leave with it, then

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Speaker 3: I mean, would you get evolved if you're at a supermarket,

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Speaker 2: World, get out, you shop it.

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Speaker 3: That's good food there. If you were at New World

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I would like some clarification on that. How

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Speaker 3: If they're not touching the alleged defender, then they're okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I would believe you know, I believe that

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Speaker 2: But as for whether I would intervene, boy, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a few stories where I've seen people intervene.

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Speaker 3: There's a line. Right if you saw people stealing items,

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about someone screaming outside of Outer Mall they've

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call now

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Speaker 3: just to find a point from Kushaw. He wrote an

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Speaker 3: So that is effectively hog tying an offender until police arrive,

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 4: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the.

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Speaker 1: Volvo XC ninety, attention to detail and a commitment to

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Speaker 4: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. It is seventeen past one and we're talking about citizens'

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Speaker 3: arrest legislation. There are calls for that to be strengthened

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Speaker 3: in aligned with other jurisdictions like Canada, where effectively, if

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Speaker 3: an alleged thief is taking off with some property at

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Speaker 3: the property's owner can hog tie them, put them in

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe not that far, but you think they could

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Speaker 2: at least lead them into a back room until the

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Speaker 2: cops arrive. Yeah, that seems basic, I mean, pretty tough.

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Speaker 2: If you're, i know, an eighteen year old girl working

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Speaker 2: Seems it seems like a basic that you should if

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Speaker 3: Them, physically restrain them.

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

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Speaker 3: To call Glenn, how are you.

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Speaker 5: Mate?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 8: That guys?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 10: Two points.

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Speaker 9: Firstly, I was up in the Philippines last winter, and

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Speaker 9: Now the second point I'd like to say to all

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Speaker 9: I guarantee one hundred percent, having sat on two juries

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Speaker 4: So there we are.

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Speaker 9: I believe they should take the law into their own

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Speaker 3: I think you're right about the jury if you know

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Speaker 3: Glenn that if there is a dairy owner, and say

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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, you're making a good point. They need to,

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Speaker 9: They won't get convicted, they literally, if they do, the

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Speaker 3: And that's what they do in the Philippines. I take

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Speaker 9: Yes, now, look, I was at Albany Moore this morning

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Speaker 9: They were young Pacifica guys I'm going to say in

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Speaker 9: They're not even legally allowed to restrain somebody who's running.

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Speaker 11: Out the door or something.

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Speaker 8: It's just nuts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they're only there as the turret.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 9: We should give them more powers, those security guys to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it does seem basic. If you've gone

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Speaker 2: And that always was the case. And I don't know

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Speaker 11: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I mean has that changed. I guess it has, yeah,

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Speaker 2: absolute basic. Yeah, yeah, I mean massively complicated obviously if

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Speaker 2: not allowed to. If you're not allowed to restrain these people.

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Speaker 2: What about if you just they're in the store, you

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Speaker 3: And that's strategy. Actually, that is a very good strategy.

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Speaker 2: You do in a major supermarket.

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Speaker 3: But are you going to get into trouble for effective

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Speaker 3: we're kidnapping them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we're trying to track down someone to talk

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Speaker 2: to about the actual legal nuances of this. It's actually

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Speaker 3: And I will say that we had a chat to

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Speaker 3: Sonny Kouschow, who's now the chair of this particular committee.

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Speaker 3: We chatted to the head of the Security Guards Association.

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Speaker 3: All of them are in a tough position because they

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Speaker 3: So that puts the mna bit of a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 3: But hopefully we can chat to someone with a bit

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Speaker 3: of legal knowledge about citizens the rest and how it

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Speaker 2: Yes, so eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two is the text number. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: more powers should be bestowed bestowed upon a store owners

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Speaker 2: have you ever enacted a citizen's arrest? I'd love to

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Speaker 2: hear from someone that's done it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, get on the phone. Oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. Twenty three past one.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 12: Breakfast display, mister Crystal Black Andrew Bailey, would you have

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Speaker 12: sacked him if he hadn't offered to resign?

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Speaker 4: Well, hypothetical he did resign.

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Speaker 2: No, I know that, but just answer the question.

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Speaker 12: Was it a sackable offense?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 8: Thank given how clear we've been on the first incidence.

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Speaker 12: I just answered the question. Well, so this is why

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Speaker 12: have sacked him? Now you stall not, I can say, yeah,

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Speaker 12: he didn't meet the expectators I have minister's so you

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Speaker 12: would have sacked him, But I didn't mean too because

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Speaker 12: he resides. But this is why you're in trouble. In

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Speaker 12: the polls, people want something decisive. Look, if you wouldn't

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Speaker 12: have sacked him, say so either way, I don't care.

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Speaker 12: But people want from you, the Prime Minister, to go.

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Speaker 12: This is my expectation. I'm glad he resigned because if he,

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Speaker 12: I would have said them, well, that's exactly what has

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Speaker 3: Know and we're talking about citizens arrest. Sorry, just having

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Speaker 3: a wee chuckle at that lesson Mike was given to

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Speaker 3: the Prime minister. But let's go back to citizens arrest.

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Speaker 3: Does that legislation need to be strengthened. The head of

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Speaker 3: a committee looking into retail crime certainly thinks it does.

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Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. Oh, one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty Peter, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Good, Thanks, enjoy a show. Guys, you're just with the

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Speaker 8: propit you're on. Yeah, I've tread very carefully in that area.

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Speaker 8: Citizens arrest. We've had this before, people catching people breaking

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Speaker 8: This happened a few years ago and they got chased

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Speaker 8: with a soul. Everyone's idea of reasonable force is different

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Speaker 8: back room. You remember those days, most people just went compliantly. Nowadays, yeah,

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Speaker 8: they probably wouldn't. You don't know who's carrying something in

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Speaker 11: You don't know what they're on.

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Speaker 8: Are they on some sort of myth or drugs or something.

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Speaker 8: Tread very carefully. I don't mind cigarette guards getting a

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Speaker 8: little bit more power, call the police, get a registerent

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Speaker 8: registration number of the car. The police have followed people

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Speaker 3: So it's a few point you're saying, yeah, and you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a fine line between vigilanteism and doing

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Speaker 3: But as I said earlier, if I saw someone stealing

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting because I'm reading about this on the

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Speaker 2: we'll complain it. I'm thinking about my mate Bruce Bryce.

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Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't say his name. Let's call him David.

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Speaker 2: Both those actually David as well. Let's make up another name, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: So my friend Tyler, he was he's a good guy.

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Speaker 2: He got done for shoplifting when we were at high

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Speaker 2: But I wonder if he just they just said, you come,

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Speaker 2: and then he just followed. Because I don't know if

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Speaker 2: in real groovy records. Once. Once again, I give too

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Speaker 2: many details and someone stole a bunch of CDs and

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Speaker 2: just sprinted out the door after him and tackled the guy.

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Speaker 2: I followed down the road and he just fully tackled

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Speaker 2: and then brought the guy back with his arm behind

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Speaker 3: The cops came, and nothing happened to him.

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Speaker 2: But no, the cops came and took the guy away,

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Speaker 2: So that seems like he you know, it definitely wasn't

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Speaker 2: probably about three. It was a crowded house CD, a

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Speaker 2: Cranberry CD and the Eagles Greatest sets.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an eclectic selection. But yeah, yeah, but Peter, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's not easy.

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Speaker 8: No, that should be the last resort for cause I've

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Speaker 8: but he was Oh my god, but the situation, situation

437
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Speaker 8: could have got out of hand. You restraint, That's what

438
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Speaker 8: I'm saying for any any law of you restraint. Yeah,

439
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Speaker 8: be careful, treat careful.

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Speaker 2: Because that's an interesting sort of gray area. If you're

441
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Speaker 2: applying the force on holding onto the item that's being stolen,

442
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Speaker 2: or the items in that case when it's in a trolley,

443
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Speaker 2: you're applying all your force to things that the store

444
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Speaker 2: that you're working for owns. And if the if the

445
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Speaker 2: person wants to continue pushing, then that and they happen

446
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Speaker 2: to be pushed back into a wall and hurt. That

447
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Speaker 2: seems like they had the option to no longer hold

448
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Speaker 2: onto the trolley if you Yeah, all right, thanks, thanks

449
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Speaker 2: very much, Thanks so much for your call. Peter. It's

450
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Speaker 2: interesting that idea of not letting people into stores that

451
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Speaker 2: you think might be dodgy. That that would you know,

452
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Speaker 2: that would open up a whole kettle of first as well.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it that be a shop anywhere?

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Speaker 11: Mate?

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Speaker 3: But no, it is, I mean at the Philippines that

456
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Speaker 3: is the extreme. If you look a little bit rough

457
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Speaker 3: and they don't like the cut of your jib, sorry

458
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Speaker 3: you ain't shopping today.

459
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Speaker 2: But they do that at bars, don't they. Good point, Yeah,

460
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Speaker 2: you won't be let into a bar for whatever reason

461
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Speaker 2: that the bartender wants. So why couldn't you just be

462
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Speaker 2: not let into a shop? Yeah? But profiling people, you know,

463
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Speaker 2: you can get it wrong. As you say, upstanding citizens

464
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Speaker 2: like me that look a bit dodgy wouldn't be able

465
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Speaker 2: to go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call headlines worth ray Lean coming up?

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Speaker 2: Hey, actually after the break, ye, after these headlines, I'd

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Speaker 2: like to share a story about a citizen's arrest that

470
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Speaker 2: a friend of mine's father did in Melbourne when he

471
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Speaker 2: was on holiday or this is due. There was a

472
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Speaker 2: action packed citizens arrest that that this guy wants his

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Speaker 2: name this time for once executed and it's quite a

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Speaker 2: good story, all right, looking forward to.

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Speaker 7: That use talks, it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

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Speaker 7: lecturer says increasing our defense fund and could have many uses,

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Speaker 7: including major acquisitions, making the Navy more compatible with Australian forces,

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Speaker 7: and technology investment. The Prime Minister wants the budget nearly doubled.

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Speaker 7: GPS are warning proposals to length and repeat prescriptions to

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Speaker 7: twelve months needs to be subject to a clinician's advice

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Speaker 7: depending on individual cases. Minister Shane Jones says Cabinets considering

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Speaker 7: options to strength and New Zealand's fuel and energy security,

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Speaker 7: including having special economic zones with less regulations or energy precincts.

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Speaker 7: Faring at a hospitals open to transit lounge for patients

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Speaker 7: or most ready to go home. It fits six beds

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Speaker 7: and eh HEAs for people waiting for medication, discharge papers

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Speaker 7: or transport. The Government's putting nine million dollars into Great

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Speaker 7: Ride Track upgrades and resilience design great for the market.

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Speaker 7: Agents react to wapper twenty six million dollar Auckland property purchase.

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Speaker 7: Read this and more from Property Insider at ensid Herald Premium.

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Speaker 7: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the news talk z B.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Adams. Just on the phone to his girlfriend.

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Speaker 3: Yes she's doing all right, Thank you very much. Just

496
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Speaker 3: talking about citizens arrests. And the question we posed to

497
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Speaker 3: you is should the legislation be strengthened. It's on the

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Speaker 3: back of an advisory group, the Retail Crime Group and

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Speaker 3: recommendations expected from the Minister Paul Goldsmith at the end

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Speaker 3: of this week. Plenty of great texts coming through.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I worked as a bouncer for security company

502
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Speaker 2: ten years ago. The company got exmass contracts for various banks.

503
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Speaker 2: Security on the door. We got no training at all.

504
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Speaker 2: A bank in Auckland was held up. Our guy pummeled

505
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Speaker 2: the potential robber and held held him for the cops.

506
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Speaker 2: Ended up in trouble with the cops and management, even

507
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Speaker 2: though he stopped the robbery. I mean, that's the concern,

508
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Speaker 2: isn't it, Because you would think that the right thing

509
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Speaker 2: to do is to pummel the robber.

510
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he can hold him up.

511
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Speaker 2: I mean, especially if it's an armed robber, you know,

512
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Speaker 2: because they're not showing any empathy towards anyone in the store. Yeah,

513
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Speaker 2: but it's complicated. Hey, So the story I was teasing

514
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Speaker 2: before one hundred and eighty ten eight two with your

515
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Speaker 2: thoughts on this. But a friend of mine's dad was

516
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Speaker 2: over in Melbourne on holiday and he was an ex

517
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Speaker 2: police officer and he saw some people robbing a store.

518
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Speaker 2: They ran out, and he saw them get into the

519
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Speaker 2: van and he ran over, jumped out of the family car,

520
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Speaker 2: climbed into the back of the van, beat the living

521
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Speaker 2: but Jesus out of two guys in the back, and

522
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Speaker 2: then poll axe the guy driving the car. The car

523
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Speaker 2: crashed into a wall. He then restrained all four people

524
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Speaker 2: in the car until Victoria police arrived and they, you know,

525
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Speaker 2: they took the guys away. And not only was he

526
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Speaker 2: not in trouble for that, and he was flying back

527
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Speaker 2: over and given a Bravery medal over there.

528
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Speaker 3: What's his name, Jason Statham is Well, there's a lot

529
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Speaker 3: of studies, so he can I take this.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of stories about this particular ex police officer.

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Speaker 2: He is a great New Zealander. Yeah, but yeah it was.

532
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Speaker 2: It was a fully spectacular news making takedown. I bet

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Speaker 2: citizens arrest, but you know he was a retired New

534
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Speaker 2: Zealand police officer, so he didn't have any jurisdiction over there.

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Speaker 3: Got a great story. I one hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty CE number to call Rob. How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 7: Very good?

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Speaker 14: Thank you, Hi to you both. I agree with what

539
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Speaker 14: Peter said. It's all about using reasonable force, and these

540
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Speaker 14: retailers could have training if they saw that appropriate. And

541
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Speaker 14: I think if you use excessive force then you have

542
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Speaker 14: to accept those consequences, and I guess the police are

543
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Speaker 14: termine that. But I've been interested in some more of

544
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Speaker 14: the finicky things in it. And I don't know whether

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Speaker 14: this side mentioned a trolley full of sets. If you're

546
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Speaker 14: the retailer, how do you determine whether it's over a

547
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Speaker 14: thousand dollars?

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Speaker 7: Not?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Like that old TV show Supermarket Challenge. Do you

550
00:26:15,573 --> 00:26:18,853
Speaker 2: remember that where you had to work out how much speed?

551
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Speaker 14: But but you even't got time and offense leaving in

552
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Speaker 14: haste to determine that. And another one is the ingredients

553
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Speaker 14: of the offensive theft and the Crimes Act. At no

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Speaker 14: point is nighttime, daytime, nighttime, daytime.

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Speaker 11: Mentioned in that.

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Speaker 14: And I think that's deflection because I think you've got

557
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Speaker 14: a right to protect your property and your person, and

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Speaker 14: I don't think it's just irrelevant whether it's daytime or nighttime.

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Speaker 14: And I think by doing that sort of stuff, you're

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Speaker 14: deflecting off the issue of the depth of my property.

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Speaker 14: And I've got a right to protect that. I've worked

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Speaker 14: hard for it, and I think I think the problem

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Speaker 14: of getting into that daytime, nighttime stuff is it could

564
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Speaker 14: creep slowly into other offenses that you can't do citizens

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Speaker 14: arrest on with other offenses because it's nighttime. And say

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Speaker 14: I'm leaving the supermarket, it's ten PM, and I see

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Speaker 14: a sexual assault occurring on in the car. But am

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Speaker 14: I going to be saying, Oh, can I do a

569
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Speaker 14: citizens arrest on this? Oh no, that's just that's just theft.

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Speaker 14: Oh no, no, yes I can, or do I let

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Speaker 14: their friend to continue?

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Speaker 2: That stuff's irrelevant and it's odd that they don't take

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Speaker 2: into account. So example, if someone was in your house,

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Speaker 2: you come home and someone's leaving your house with goods

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Speaker 2: under a thousand dollars you know, if you can, you're

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Speaker 2: going to stop them from leaving. You know, you're going

577
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Speaker 2: to use force on that person.

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Speaker 14: And I'll tell you what the overlayer there is if

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Speaker 14: you're a female. If you're a woman, you're not just

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Speaker 14: thinking they're setting stuff. There's just so many other elements

581
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Speaker 14: off you're female. And I'll tell you what. If I

582
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Speaker 14: saw someone offending in whatever form and it was a

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Speaker 14: crime zech offense, I would intervene. I would do something,

584
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Speaker 14: even it's distraction. I'd love protecting property in person.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to think I would. I'd love to think

586
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Speaker 2: that I would do the right thing. I'd foot trip

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Speaker 2: the person running away, or i'd you know, pick up

588
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Speaker 2: the chair and whack them around the back of the head.

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00:28:12,813 --> 00:28:13,013
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But to prevent it, yeah, to prevent it sort of

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Speaker 3: merging into vigilanteism. Would it make more sense that if

592
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Speaker 3: it's your property being stolen, you have more rights than

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Speaker 3: if you were just shopping at the supermarket. You see

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Speaker 3: someone steering and you want to take them down or

595
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Speaker 3: taser them, you know, kind of just it would be

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Speaker 3: clear legislation.

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Speaker 2: Citizen Tyler walking around with the taser.

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Speaker 3: A bit far, But you know what I'm saying if

599
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Speaker 3: it was your tally that they're walking out with at

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Speaker 3: your home, you have more powers than just a bystander

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Speaker 3: at a supermarket or outside a jewelry store store.

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Speaker 14: Well, no, I think if you can assist the retard,

603
00:28:53,813 --> 00:28:55,693
Speaker 14: if you set happening, you can assist. I think you

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Speaker 14: should because it's depped, it's step to stepped. It doesn't

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Speaker 14: matter it's in your home or in your garage or

606
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Speaker 14: you know, in the I don't know, in the dairy,

607
00:29:03,173 --> 00:29:04,773
Speaker 14: down the streets it is.

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Speaker 2: Theft doesn't work Societ. It doesn't work very well if

609
00:29:09,493 --> 00:29:12,293
Speaker 2: people can just steal stuff and you know the police.

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Speaker 2: The police can't be everywhere to stop it, obviously.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And the other thing is if it's dusk or how

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Speaker 14: do you tim if it's dusk, is that nighttime or

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00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:23,093
Speaker 14: is it daytime? But I can guarantee you by by

615
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Speaker 14: the time the underresourced please get there, it'll be dark,

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Speaker 14: there'll be nighttime. Is it's still a defense yea. You

617
00:29:28,093 --> 00:29:29,213
Speaker 14: know citizens are restable.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your call, Rob, So you know

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Speaker 2: if you go to the Crimes Act. So, just to paraphrase,

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Speaker 2: can a store you know, stop someone from leaving if

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Speaker 2: they're thinking if the store owners thinks that they've been shoplifting,

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Speaker 2: it's not Usually shop staff for security stuff can only

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Speaker 2: forcibly prevent a shoplifter leaving the shop. On two kinds

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Speaker 2: of situations, expensive items if there are one thousand dollars

625
00:29:54,173 --> 00:29:56,893
Speaker 2: or more, and nighttime between nine pm and six pm.

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Speaker 2: In these cases, the shop staff is security guard would

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Speaker 2: be carrying out what's called a citizens arrest, and they

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00:30:02,173 --> 00:30:05,173
Speaker 2: can use reasonable force to hold you. However, they still

629
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Speaker 2: don't have the rights to search you or your bag

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Speaker 2: without consent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as Rob said, that really makes no sense

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Speaker 3: to clarify between day and nighttime, does it? How would

633
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Speaker 3: that make its way into the legislation.

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Speaker 2: Does someone know the logic on that? Why that would

635
00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:20,173
Speaker 2: ever come into it that there's different rules at nighttime.

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Speaker 3: If you know, we'd love to hear from you. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call quick text to the break.

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Speaker 2: It's also worth noting, says as text of the subject

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Speaker 2: of a citizen's arrest can legally resist the arrest until

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Speaker 2: the current law. Under the current law, ah, so it's

642
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Speaker 2: worth noting that the subject of the citizen arrest can

643
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Speaker 2: legally resist the rest.

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Speaker 3: So like you're yeah, that's why you got a hog

645
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Speaker 3: tie them?

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00:30:43,693 --> 00:30:48,013
Speaker 2: Yeah every woman that mate, Yeah, they can resist your

647
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Speaker 2: citizen's arrest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, very true. Right, We will take a quick

649
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Speaker 3: break and back with more of your calls very shortly.

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Speaker 3: It is seventeen to two.

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Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty eighty Matt

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Speaker 1: and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety tick every

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Speaker 1: box a seamless experience, awaits news talks.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is fourteen to two. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: citizens arrest legislation. There are calls to strengthen it, and

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Speaker 3: we will find out more at the end of this week.

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Speaker 3: But is it a good idea to allow more power

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Speaker 3: to citizens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in particular, we're talking about stopping people from

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Speaker 2: stealing from stores. Hey, guys, years ago, I was responsible

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Speaker 2: for looking after all of the new market car dealerships.

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Speaker 2: Me and my trustee German Shepherd busted a guy stealing

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Speaker 2: a large American flag, so I try. I tied my

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Speaker 2: dog to the pole. To the police arrived. My dog

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Speaker 2: got a reward of dog biscuits. Good, good boy, Okay,

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Speaker 2: good dog.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like the dog was the citizen arrested in

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Speaker 3: the scenario, No one, no.

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Speaker 2: Way, anyone gets charged for smacking someone over robbing your house.

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Speaker 2: A farmer who effectively kidnapped a team called and back

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Speaker 2: up and then proceeded to chop off his finger was

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Speaker 2: found not guilty. That was a complex situation, wasn't It

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Speaker 2: was that the poi poi situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, yeah, the farmers, and they are quite right.

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Speaker 3: The jury found them not guilty. Uh, it's got to

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Speaker 3: the phones, Pete.

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Speaker 15: How are you get the many entirely year.

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Speaker 16: It's that somebody just now out two words for them

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Speaker 16: read they just scumbags and low lives. It's still from people.

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Speaker 16: So it's that simple. Like you go over the seas,

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Speaker 16: I'm all for the citizens device and make it tougher

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Speaker 16: for them. We get tougher on them if the security

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Speaker 16: guards at the supermarkets wherever they're gone up. But you

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Speaker 16: go over seas, you go to the band, you go

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Speaker 16: to Singapore, the crime is listen to your talkback show

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Speaker 16: quite a bit.

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Speaker 6: They you feel safe.

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Speaker 16: There is no crime hardly there because they get dealt

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Speaker 16: with quick. It's all we have to do, is that

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Speaker 16: what they do over the seas problem goes away because

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Speaker 16: end of the day is we're two lives in this country.

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Speaker 11: We all know that.

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Speaker 16: So this this groceries get stolen at the supermarkes, we're

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Speaker 16: paying for that. So if I was a supermarket, I

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Speaker 16: saw something willing, how to grow a trolley full of groceries?

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Speaker 16: Well not even if I don't get there's only one

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Speaker 16: item in there stolen one of the ladies at the

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Speaker 16: supermarket the product, and they don't have purity guards. Something

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Speaker 16: thought they would have got to pay for the security guards.

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Speaker 16: So when the ladies said they're stealing, I'd do my

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Speaker 16: best to try to stop them. And hopefully those people

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Speaker 16: at the supermarket where they are stealing from that, hope

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Speaker 16: they've got enough sense to call the police. They are

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Speaker 16: on their way, so just try to stop them before

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Speaker 16: they steal the items. The police get steal their deal

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Speaker 16: with us, that's not hard. I'm reasonably strong, so I

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Speaker 16: can't go after myself. So there's no way I'm going

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Speaker 16: to let someone just roll on out and put it

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Speaker 16: in their car and drive up. I will do my

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Speaker 16: best to try to stop them.

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Speaker 2: So length yeah, so that's what I was going to say, Pete.

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Speaker 2: So maybe you see someone's robbed jewelry store. They're sprinting

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Speaker 2: out of them all. You're standing right there, you've seen

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Speaker 2: what happen. Are you going to put out an arm?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna put out a leg?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I try to drop them up. They're gonna be

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Speaker 16: very key. There are some nasty little people out there.

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Speaker 16: They will be through the word again. Scumbags. They do

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Speaker 16: it some of our arm now that the police will

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Speaker 16: probably will say, be weary. They can pull a knife

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Speaker 16: out on yours and gym and.

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Speaker 11: You want there.

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Speaker 16: And and I saw the skyes at the pepolon a

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Speaker 16: running the balls, and the sky is pushing these people around,

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Speaker 16: older people, and he had this overcoat on, and I

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Speaker 16: just spacely went up to him. I said, well, it's stop.

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Speaker 16: I space He said to him, don't push old people around.

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Speaker 16: Next man, he just pulled a speed fleck knife A

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Speaker 16: little lot from.

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Speaker 11: That, So I backed off, really cracked.

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Speaker 16: I wasn't going to spend my time and papalone or

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Speaker 16: in the Spanish hospital.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sense that sounded like a bit of a fever dream. Actually,

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Speaker 3: man with an overcoat at the people are running of

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Speaker 3: the ball on people.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on there. My son works in

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Speaker 2: a tool shop at Bunnings. They had no people are

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Speaker 2: sticking expensive tools under their jumpers and can do nothing

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Speaker 2: about it. Cost these read Taylor's millions, and we pay

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Speaker 2: with high prices. Store owners should be able to do something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, West, And how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 5: Good guys are just telling you you do there before?

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Speaker 5: And I had the experience on Valentine State and think

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Speaker 5: I had a couple of other experiences on Valentine today,

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Speaker 5: but we won't talk about it. It was walking around

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Speaker 5: doing the walk of shame, you know that men do

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Speaker 5: while their wives are in shopping. Came back through the

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Speaker 5: doors and still this guy at the lingerie shot, which

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Speaker 5: I thought, okay, one of three things. He's either buying

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Speaker 5: something for his partner, he's a perv, or he's going

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Speaker 5: to steal something. He took the number three, just grabbed

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Speaker 5: our whole heap of lingerie and I went on that

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Speaker 5: we're not having that. So I took off, grabbed them

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Speaker 5: and said, oh you can put those back. Some choice

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Speaker 5: words were, you know, shared between us, and I just

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Speaker 5: basically grabbed them off and I said, what's in your back?

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Speaker 5: And he goes why, I said, what's in your bed

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Speaker 5: because there's more in their mate, you're going to return

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Speaker 5: that too, So he tried to put the bag over

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Speaker 5: my head. We had a little bit of a you know,

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Speaker 5: to and fro, and then basically, you know, he shed

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Speaker 5: some more words with me and off he went. So

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Speaker 5: I told all the stuff back to the store. They

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Speaker 5: had absolutely no idea that had happened. And of course

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Speaker 5: I've been dealing with people inside it that they can't

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Speaker 5: see what's going around the whole thing. So people like that,

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Speaker 5: you know, have this opportunity and they take it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: Apparently the guy had been going around the pharmacies and

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Speaker 5: stealing the stealing the smellies and all the fragrances as well,

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Speaker 5: so you know, he wanted to have a go. I

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Speaker 5: was quite happy to step in and help him through that.

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Speaker 2: You a big fellow, wisdon Oh reasonably so.

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Speaker 5: But it's not always how big are it's what your

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Speaker 5: what skills that you have, if.

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Speaker 11: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so at no point in that you were

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Speaker 2: worried that you might get yourself in trouble for effectively

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Speaker 2: using force against a you know, another citizen.

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Speaker 5: Stand me before the man, Let the people speak. Man,

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Speaker 5: that's the way I look at it. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't have deliberately. Look if it come at me and

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Speaker 5: I seriously had to defend myself, I'd do what I

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Speaker 5: needed to do, whether I had had the upper hand.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what that guy's skill set is either,

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Speaker 5: but it was a calculated riskis willing to take. But

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Speaker 5: you can't have people like this to just take what

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Speaker 5: they think is there is without you know the hard

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Speaker 5: work that goes behind living these days, and you know

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Speaker 5: the stores as well as we say that all of

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Speaker 5: this has passed on to us in some way or another.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not saying everybody should step up and do it.

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Speaker 5: But if more of us did, and you felt confident

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Speaker 5: enough to do it, or you were in numbers, whip

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Speaker 5: and we'll do it. Yeah, these scumbags will get away

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Speaker 5: with it on a minute by minute, hour by hour basis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not on. So thank you for you,

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Speaker 2: Paul Weston, and good on you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, weird stealing woman's undies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, creepy as well as scrip. Come on, man, come on, man,

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Speaker 3: I know you're stealing and you're a scumbag anyway, but

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Speaker 3: come on, there's levels of scumbig.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, you know you want to be a

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Speaker 2: creepy scum big. You're not stealing a loaf of bread

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Speaker 2: to your kids, You're stealing honor amongth sundies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. It

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Speaker 3: is eight minutes to two. Beck very surely, maddies.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty Madden Tayler Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety

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Speaker 3: News News Dog ZB It is five to two. Some

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Speaker 3: great texts coming through on nine two ninety two.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. So you're already allowed to full tackle and

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Speaker 2: slam streakers at sports games? Yes, that is, but that's

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Speaker 2: to do with the contract that you sign when you

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Speaker 2: buy a ticket. So you're going in and there's certain

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Speaker 2: details on a ticket that says that you won't go

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Speaker 2: on to the pitch. But it seems to me that

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Speaker 2: there's a social contact tract or a legal contract when

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Speaker 2: you go into a store that you won't leave with

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Speaker 2: stuff that's not yours. So maybe maybe kind of called

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Speaker 2: the law, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt and Tyler. I work out a major electronic

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Speaker 2: store and we are not allowed to physically stop shoplifters.

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Speaker 2: The cops don't come when phone, so not much we

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Speaker 2: can do to stop them.

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Speaker 4: Craig.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that is a sad state of affairs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean that's the thing is like

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Speaker 2: you are, you know, you are working in a store

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Speaker 2: behind the counter selling stuff. You are not also trained

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Speaker 2: to strain people until the cops arrived, you know, But

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe you know, I guess this this, this,

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Speaker 2: this legislation or this this discussion is really about, you know,

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Speaker 2: security guards empowering them. Seen a shop in La priced

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Speaker 2: everything at nine hundred and fifty one to ave allow

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Speaker 2: our rest is over nine to fifty threshold discount supply

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Speaker 2: to check out. But the security as here need more power.

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Speaker 3: That's clever. That is clever in La. Right, great discussion,

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Speaker 3: and thank you very much for all your phone calls

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Speaker 3: and texts after two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we should say that we did try and

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Speaker 2: contact all kinds of people to discuss this issue, but

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Speaker 2: no one wanted to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: No, they are all keeping a low profile of vary points.

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Speaker 2: Legal people and people involved in the whole situation. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Tyler and I contacted on a number of people.

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Speaker 3: We tried our best and will continue to try. Write

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Speaker 3: New Sport and Weather on its way.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for insateful and entertaining talk. It's Maddie

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety on

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Speaker 1: News Talk ENV.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. It is seven

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Speaker 3: past two. Great to have your company is always Let's

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Speaker 3: have a chat about billionaires.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Peter Tail is winding down his New Zealand

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Speaker 2: business interests. He came over here, there was a lot

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Speaker 2: of publicity about it. He tried to build some stuff

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Speaker 2: in Queenstown, was turned down. He was initially talking and

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Speaker 2: there was sort of excitement that he be able to

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Speaker 2: bring a whole lot of tech investment into the country,

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Speaker 2: which didn't seem to really happen. He had some interests

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Speaker 2: in zero but yeah he's gone. He's a billionaire that

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Speaker 2: is upsticks and all he's got is the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: passport now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so whatever you feel about Peter Till, he could

869
00:40:51,253 --> 00:40:53,253
Speaker 3: have brought a lot of investment into the country, right.

870
00:40:53,333 --> 00:40:55,813
Speaker 3: He is a power player in Silicon Valley. He's been

871
00:40:55,893 --> 00:40:59,893
Speaker 3: involved in some of the most valuable businesses on the planet.

872
00:41:00,213 --> 00:41:03,373
Speaker 2: He was the first outside investor into Facebook, which he

873
00:41:03,413 --> 00:41:05,773
Speaker 2: made a lot of money. He was there with elan Musket,

874
00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:11,613
Speaker 2: PayPal Palanter Technologies. He's done a lot of stuff. But

875
00:41:12,533 --> 00:41:14,653
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, we don't know for sure, but we

876
00:41:15,013 --> 00:41:18,253
Speaker 2: certainly didn't invite him in with open arms. People were

877
00:41:18,413 --> 00:41:21,493
Speaker 2: furious at him. We've got James Cameron. He's a billionaire.

878
00:41:21,573 --> 00:41:25,172
Speaker 2: He lives down near Wellington and he's doing a lot

879
00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:29,613
Speaker 2: in the country around the movie industry, bringing people in's

880
00:41:29,613 --> 00:41:33,093
Speaker 2: investing a lot of money and technicology around the whole

881
00:41:33,173 --> 00:41:36,733
Speaker 2: Avatar films. He's good mates with Sir Peter Jackson, but

882
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:40,613
Speaker 2: he's sort of piping up politically now. Yeah, the question

883
00:41:40,733 --> 00:41:43,453
Speaker 2: we want to ask is, should we do everything we

884
00:41:43,573 --> 00:41:47,573
Speaker 2: can to get billionaires here? Should we bend over and

885
00:41:47,653 --> 00:41:49,853
Speaker 2: make it so much easier for them to do things

886
00:41:49,893 --> 00:41:53,133
Speaker 2: because the potential that they can bring to New Zealand

887
00:41:53,453 --> 00:41:55,453
Speaker 2: and the investment that we need in New Zealand and

888
00:41:55,453 --> 00:41:58,693
Speaker 2: the next and you know, just on the level of

889
00:41:58,733 --> 00:42:00,813
Speaker 2: the houses they build and the stuff they have around

890
00:42:00,893 --> 00:42:04,172
Speaker 2: their houses before they start companies here and before they

891
00:42:05,413 --> 00:42:10,053
Speaker 2: change you know, industries here or should they be treated

892
00:42:10,133 --> 00:42:10,893
Speaker 2: just the same as everyone.

893
00:42:11,293 --> 00:42:13,573
Speaker 3: I think it's always good to have high value net

894
00:42:13,653 --> 00:42:16,013
Speaker 3: worth people within a country. It always seems to work

895
00:42:16,053 --> 00:42:19,333
Speaker 3: out pretty well for that country. So should we completely

896
00:42:19,413 --> 00:42:21,733
Speaker 3: bend over backwards. I don't know about that, but we

897
00:42:21,813 --> 00:42:25,533
Speaker 3: should absolutely make it just as lucrative and worthwhile for

898
00:42:25,653 --> 00:42:28,173
Speaker 3: them to be here than any other country, because I

899
00:42:28,333 --> 00:42:31,493
Speaker 3: believe we are pretty far down the pack in terms

900
00:42:31,773 --> 00:42:35,853
Speaker 3: of making it easy for investors to come to this country.

901
00:42:36,013 --> 00:42:39,933
Speaker 3: Right there is some legislative changes going through Parliament very soon,

902
00:42:40,053 --> 00:42:42,172
Speaker 3: or at least the act Party wants to push them through.

903
00:42:42,813 --> 00:42:45,773
Speaker 3: But when you have billionaires coming into a country and

904
00:42:45,853 --> 00:42:48,732
Speaker 3: investing significance amount of money, isn't that a good thing?

905
00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:49,732
Speaker 6: Yeah?

906
00:42:49,733 --> 00:42:52,573
Speaker 2: At one point he had a Peter Tail had a

907
00:42:52,893 --> 00:42:56,013
Speaker 2: one hundred ninety three hectare block of farmland on the

908
00:42:56,133 --> 00:43:00,733
Speaker 2: shores of Lake Wonica that he bought in twenty fifteen,

909
00:43:00,853 --> 00:43:04,413
Speaker 2: but it remains completely undeveloped. After long contested plans to

910
00:43:04,493 --> 00:43:08,692
Speaker 2: build a partially underground large and meditation retreat, these were

911
00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:12,253
Speaker 2: declowned declined by the Queen Sounds Lakes District Council, a

912
00:43:12,333 --> 00:43:15,493
Speaker 2: decision that was later upheld on appeal to the Environment Court.

913
00:43:16,213 --> 00:43:20,053
Speaker 2: Let him build his underground bloody meditation center. If he's

914
00:43:20,133 --> 00:43:24,893
Speaker 2: then garness, you know, kick start our tech industry. How

915
00:43:25,813 --> 00:43:26,893
Speaker 2: that would be the logic, wouldn't it.

916
00:43:27,013 --> 00:43:28,773
Speaker 3: It was pretty subtle the way it looked, right, I mean,

917
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:31,213
Speaker 3: I'd love to see the grounds on why it was

918
00:43:31,293 --> 00:43:33,813
Speaker 3: turned down. I mean, if it was because it was

919
00:43:33,933 --> 00:43:37,413
Speaker 3: an ugly eyesaw and was going to ruin the view

920
00:43:37,413 --> 00:43:41,253
Speaker 3: of the remarkables, maybe maybe, But if it was partly underground.

921
00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:43,493
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean you look at the likes of

922
00:43:43,613 --> 00:43:46,533
Speaker 3: easy you say, James Cameron, But Bill Foley another billionaire

923
00:43:46,573 --> 00:43:49,213
Speaker 3: who has invested a lot of money into New Zealand.

924
00:43:49,453 --> 00:43:51,573
Speaker 3: His latest investment is the A League, of course, but

925
00:43:51,653 --> 00:43:55,933
Speaker 3: he's been involved in wineries and has made New Zealand

926
00:43:55,973 --> 00:43:59,173
Speaker 3: as second home. But that has been incredibly successful and

927
00:43:59,573 --> 00:44:02,413
Speaker 3: beneficial for the New Zealand. But for some reason, when

928
00:44:02,453 --> 00:44:04,933
Speaker 3: it came to Peter Taylor, we singled him out as

929
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:05,893
Speaker 3: a billionaire we didn't want.

930
00:44:06,173 --> 00:44:09,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, people were very anti Peter Tail, weren't they. So

931
00:44:10,213 --> 00:44:15,413
Speaker 2: you've got James Cameron who's piping up about things down

932
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:18,493
Speaker 2: in Wellington and getting into it a bit of a

933
00:44:18,533 --> 00:44:23,013
Speaker 2: dispute there with David Seymour and directly, so how much

934
00:44:23,093 --> 00:44:25,213
Speaker 2: do you listen to James Cameron because he's a billionaire

935
00:44:25,293 --> 00:44:27,693
Speaker 2: and he can do a lot for our economy, and

936
00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:30,212
Speaker 2: how much do you not annoy him so he runs off?

937
00:44:30,773 --> 00:44:31,293
Speaker 3: Exactly.

938
00:44:32,733 --> 00:44:34,333
Speaker 2: It's a kind of a weird question, isn't it, Because

939
00:44:34,373 --> 00:44:37,613
Speaker 2: you'd like to think that we go, well, everyone's equal

940
00:44:37,893 --> 00:44:41,973
Speaker 2: in this country and everyone should be treated exactly the same,

941
00:44:42,493 --> 00:44:44,293
Speaker 2: but it's not really that way the world works.

942
00:44:44,733 --> 00:44:48,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always been rules right the Overseas Investment Office,

943
00:44:48,293 --> 00:44:50,813
Speaker 3: and as we mentioned, they are looking to change it

944
00:44:50,893 --> 00:44:53,373
Speaker 3: to make it easier for high net worth individuals to

945
00:44:53,413 --> 00:44:56,173
Speaker 3: come to this country. But there's always been that barrier

946
00:44:56,373 --> 00:44:59,053
Speaker 3: to say, if you spend ten million dollars year, we

947
00:44:59,333 --> 00:45:02,652
Speaker 3: will crunch your residency. If you spend fifteen million dollars year,

948
00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:04,373
Speaker 3: So there is always a price. As you say, it's

949
00:45:04,373 --> 00:45:07,613
Speaker 3: the way of the world. But why when we've got

950
00:45:07,853 --> 00:45:09,933
Speaker 3: the likes of Peter Teal when we said no to

951
00:45:10,133 --> 00:45:15,013
Speaker 3: his particular mansion down in Queenstown and he's decided no,

952
00:45:15,453 --> 00:45:17,573
Speaker 3: I'm done with New Zealand Now, is that really good

953
00:45:17,613 --> 00:45:19,293
Speaker 3: for the country overall? Love to hear from you on

954
00:45:19,333 --> 00:45:22,692
Speaker 3: this one oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The text

955
00:45:22,773 --> 00:45:25,093
Speaker 3: number is nine two ninety two. Some great texts coming through.

956
00:45:25,293 --> 00:45:27,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, what do you think of Peter Teel?

957
00:45:27,173 --> 00:45:28,893
Speaker 2: We're interested here in that because there's a lot of

958
00:45:28,973 --> 00:45:30,093
Speaker 2: thought on that coming through.

959
00:45:30,253 --> 00:45:32,973
Speaker 3: Absolutely. It is twelve past two. Bag very shortly. You're

960
00:45:33,013 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tyler.

961
00:45:33,893 --> 00:45:38,853
Speaker 1: Good Afternoon, your new home of afternoon Talk, Matt and

962
00:45:39,013 --> 00:45:42,933
Speaker 1: Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey

963
00:45:42,973 --> 00:45:44,133
Speaker 1: into something special.

964
00:45:44,253 --> 00:45:47,253
Speaker 4: Call, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said, be.

965
00:45:49,293 --> 00:45:53,013
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You quarter past two? Are we too

966
00:45:53,133 --> 00:45:55,613
Speaker 3: protectionist and a little bit of afraid when it comes

967
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:59,413
Speaker 3: to billionaires coming into the country to invest and they

968
00:45:59,533 --> 00:46:01,733
Speaker 3: have to invest quite a considerable amount of money to

969
00:46:01,773 --> 00:46:03,773
Speaker 3: be granted residency. That is part of the deal as

970
00:46:03,773 --> 00:46:04,213
Speaker 3: it stands.

971
00:46:04,413 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Peter Teel's upstick to Tony's off, and of

972
00:46:07,173 --> 00:46:09,333
Speaker 2: course he was the first out investor on Facebook, had

973
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:15,893
Speaker 2: a lot of money, you know, hugely entrepreneurial, entrepreneurial individual.

974
00:46:17,373 --> 00:46:20,493
Speaker 2: Did we just make him feel as unwanted as we

975
00:46:20,573 --> 00:46:22,453
Speaker 2: possibly could? And now he's run off to spend his

976
00:46:22,533 --> 00:46:25,413
Speaker 2: money elsewhere it seems to be that way, and was

977
00:46:25,453 --> 00:46:28,293
Speaker 2: that a wise thing to do? Order someone's politics as

978
00:46:28,413 --> 00:46:32,693
Speaker 2: just just defined by you and defined by the media

979
00:46:32,773 --> 00:46:36,133
Speaker 2: in New Zealand? Does does that make them unworthy of

980
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:37,133
Speaker 2: spending their money here?

981
00:46:37,333 --> 00:46:37,533
Speaker 11: Yeah?

982
00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:37,893
Speaker 7: You know.

983
00:46:38,333 --> 00:46:41,773
Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred and eighty nineteen nine two is

984
00:46:41,853 --> 00:46:43,973
Speaker 3: the text number. Let's go to the phones, get it on.

985
00:46:45,973 --> 00:46:48,293
Speaker 13: Well, you just pick up on that comment, and then

986
00:46:48,413 --> 00:46:50,933
Speaker 13: he said, what do you think of Peter till I

987
00:46:51,133 --> 00:46:53,613
Speaker 13: heard them? I just discussed this to your producer. I

988
00:46:53,853 --> 00:46:57,893
Speaker 13: heard them on the ps Morgan show. That was high

989
00:46:57,973 --> 00:47:02,093
Speaker 13: tech stuff that sets in relationship on Muskin and all

990
00:47:02,173 --> 00:47:06,293
Speaker 13: the science and technology. Well, I helped data documents for

991
00:47:06,293 --> 00:47:08,813
Speaker 13: the Ministry's science and one of the documents said science

992
00:47:08,893 --> 00:47:12,213
Speaker 13: will save New Zealand. But his first point was he said, well,

993
00:47:12,253 --> 00:47:16,613
Speaker 13: science is not all that it's advertised to be. Literal words.

994
00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:21,373
Speaker 13: Someone can check it out on the Piers Morgan Show.

995
00:47:22,053 --> 00:47:24,733
Speaker 13: And then, as Morgan does, he asked some of these

996
00:47:24,773 --> 00:47:26,853
Speaker 13: people do you believe in God? And he said, well

997
00:47:26,893 --> 00:47:30,213
Speaker 13: I do, actually, he said, and I believe in Unless

998
00:47:30,213 --> 00:47:32,493
Speaker 13: you believe in Jesus, you can't have anything other than

999
00:47:32,533 --> 00:47:36,293
Speaker 13: a fuzzy concept of God. He said he's a Drinidarian. Well,

1000
00:47:36,693 --> 00:47:41,573
Speaker 13: I mean they don't know whether statements like that, whether

1001
00:47:41,733 --> 00:47:43,573
Speaker 13: or not. You know you were saying, was that the

1002
00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:46,933
Speaker 13: rub ups political reasons? Did he rub people up the

1003
00:47:46,933 --> 00:47:50,133
Speaker 13: wrong way? Who knows? I mean, because investment, it's all

1004
00:47:50,173 --> 00:47:52,933
Speaker 13: about risk and the whole lot of economic factors, which

1005
00:47:53,053 --> 00:47:54,333
Speaker 13: is an economist that could go into.

1006
00:47:54,493 --> 00:47:57,653
Speaker 2: But you know, none of that saying that, none of

1007
00:47:57,693 --> 00:48:01,013
Speaker 2: that seems to rule him out from being a person

1008
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:03,333
Speaker 2: that would want to take his investment. You know that,

1009
00:48:03,613 --> 00:48:06,172
Speaker 2: you know that doesn't How does those things roll him

1010
00:48:06,173 --> 00:48:08,133
Speaker 2: out as being a person we want in our country?

1011
00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:12,652
Speaker 13: Well, I mean that's just it. I mean maybe who

1012
00:48:12,733 --> 00:48:15,933
Speaker 13: knows that'd be the question would when you say, well,

1013
00:48:16,253 --> 00:48:19,413
Speaker 13: you know, what was it? But I mean, if it's

1014
00:48:19,453 --> 00:48:21,413
Speaker 13: just a manner, if he just wanted a house here,

1015
00:48:22,093 --> 00:48:24,413
Speaker 13: and were your other comments said, well he only wanted

1016
00:48:24,533 --> 00:48:28,133
Speaker 13: to build this mansion and they said, well no you can't.

1017
00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:33,212
Speaker 13: Well if that's all, well that's all is it's just gone, Yeah,

1018
00:48:33,453 --> 00:48:33,693
Speaker 13: Well I.

1019
00:48:33,693 --> 00:48:35,613
Speaker 2: Think you wanted to do more down here initially. And

1020
00:48:35,653 --> 00:48:38,013
Speaker 2: who knows, We don't know whether it was the frosty

1021
00:48:38,133 --> 00:48:42,813
Speaker 2: reception he got here or not. But he initially was

1022
00:48:42,893 --> 00:48:46,733
Speaker 2: talking up about how he could, you know, pump up

1023
00:48:46,773 --> 00:48:49,013
Speaker 2: the tech sector in New Zealand, but that didn't happen.

1024
00:48:49,613 --> 00:48:53,652
Speaker 2: And I just wonder if we Nicholin dimed in too

1025
00:48:53,773 --> 00:48:58,733
Speaker 2: much on his associations with Trump and his whatever beliefs

1026
00:48:58,773 --> 00:49:00,172
Speaker 2: that you know, you're pointing out there that he said

1027
00:49:00,653 --> 00:49:03,172
Speaker 2: on the Piers Morgan Show. I just wonder. I wonder

1028
00:49:03,213 --> 00:49:08,613
Speaker 2: if that's important or whether we should, you know, just

1029
00:49:08,693 --> 00:49:11,293
Speaker 2: look at what he can do for our country as

1030
00:49:11,333 --> 00:49:12,893
Speaker 2: opposed to yeah.

1031
00:49:13,333 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 13: Yeah, questions.

1032
00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:19,413
Speaker 3: Fair enough to thank you very much, I'll watch that.

1033
00:49:19,533 --> 00:49:20,213
Speaker 2: Don thanks for that.

1034
00:49:20,453 --> 00:49:24,413
Speaker 3: But even Peter Tailor and other billionaires aside multimillionaires for example.

1035
00:49:24,533 --> 00:49:26,933
Speaker 3: I mean, there are some changes being pushed at the moment,

1036
00:49:27,133 --> 00:49:29,693
Speaker 3: changes to the Overseas Investment Act, which will make it

1037
00:49:29,773 --> 00:49:32,253
Speaker 3: easier for those high wealth individuals to come to the country.

1038
00:49:32,653 --> 00:49:34,853
Speaker 3: And I think that we we absolutely have to do that.

1039
00:49:34,933 --> 00:49:38,172
Speaker 3: You have to do that to compete with other big

1040
00:49:38,253 --> 00:49:41,292
Speaker 3: economies around the world, right because you know, if you want,

1041
00:49:41,453 --> 00:49:43,373
Speaker 3: if you're from New Zealand and you've got enough money

1042
00:49:43,373 --> 00:49:44,893
Speaker 3: and you didn't you need that much money, and you

1043
00:49:44,973 --> 00:49:47,413
Speaker 3: want to go live in the United States or Canada,

1044
00:49:47,693 --> 00:49:51,293
Speaker 3: or the UK or certainly Australia. It's pretty easy. We

1045
00:49:51,533 --> 00:49:54,652
Speaker 3: seem to have a lot more hurdles in the way

1046
00:49:54,733 --> 00:49:56,813
Speaker 3: for these very wealthy people to come here, set up

1047
00:49:56,893 --> 00:49:59,133
Speaker 3: shop and hopefully employ people and be good for the economy.

1048
00:49:59,293 --> 00:50:02,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, you know, and speaking of another billionaire,

1049
00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:04,413
Speaker 2: was were before James Cameron. He's just been talking about

1050
00:50:04,453 --> 00:50:07,733
Speaker 2: that in Wellington, isn't it. Through the media he sees

1051
00:50:07,733 --> 00:50:09,773
Speaker 2: we can influence. We can also we are also a

1052
00:50:09,853 --> 00:50:12,253
Speaker 2: capital so we can influence what happens at the national

1053
00:50:12,373 --> 00:50:15,533
Speaker 2: level through our attitude to try to make this case

1054
00:50:15,573 --> 00:50:17,853
Speaker 2: of the time. People think it's like a subsidy, but

1055
00:50:17,893 --> 00:50:20,573
Speaker 2: it's not. It's an investment. When productions come in from

1056
00:50:20,573 --> 00:50:23,213
Speaker 2: the outside, they bring cash in and directly infuse it

1057
00:50:23,293 --> 00:50:26,653
Speaker 2: into the local economy. And you know, he's talking about

1058
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:28,773
Speaker 2: the industry being helped out a little bit more. He's

1059
00:50:28,773 --> 00:50:31,652
Speaker 2: also got some problems with parking and Wellington as well. Yes,

1060
00:50:31,773 --> 00:50:34,253
Speaker 2: but should we listen to James Cameron Moore because he's

1061
00:50:34,333 --> 00:50:36,652
Speaker 2: James Cameron. He has the ability to bring a lot

1062
00:50:36,693 --> 00:50:40,253
Speaker 2: of investment into the country and a lot of productions,

1063
00:50:40,293 --> 00:50:41,893
Speaker 2: and he suddenly has with Avatar.

1064
00:50:41,773 --> 00:50:44,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, good question. Oh eight hundred eight this.

1065
00:50:44,853 --> 00:50:49,493
Speaker 2: Texas is Peter Tell has headed back to Trump run USA.

1066
00:50:49,653 --> 00:50:52,533
Speaker 2: He hated Biden and Harris, he knew there were crooks,

1067
00:50:52,813 --> 00:50:54,773
Speaker 2: so he was over here. Now he's gone back since

1068
00:50:55,613 --> 00:50:57,893
Speaker 2: that's according to that's according to Rob.

1069
00:50:58,293 --> 00:51:02,133
Speaker 3: Just on your James Cameron question, I think it's fantastic

1070
00:51:02,293 --> 00:51:05,133
Speaker 3: that he clearly loves this country and he's invested a

1071
00:51:05,213 --> 00:51:06,893
Speaker 3: lot into it, and he's boughd a farm that is

1072
00:51:06,933 --> 00:51:10,893
Speaker 3: employing people. And as you say, he is bringing big

1073
00:51:10,973 --> 00:51:13,973
Speaker 3: film productions into the country and bringing investment here. But

1074
00:51:14,053 --> 00:51:15,733
Speaker 3: I couldn't give stuff what he says in terms of

1075
00:51:15,733 --> 00:51:18,172
Speaker 3: about politics. He is more than welcome like any other

1076
00:51:18,253 --> 00:51:20,813
Speaker 3: citizen to say what he wants to say. But just

1077
00:51:20,853 --> 00:51:23,613
Speaker 3: because he's James Cameron doesn't change my mind. I mean,

1078
00:51:23,613 --> 00:51:25,053
Speaker 3: it's very good that he's coming here. I think we

1079
00:51:25,093 --> 00:51:27,373
Speaker 3: should welcome people like James Caeron with open arms and

1080
00:51:27,413 --> 00:51:30,173
Speaker 3: say coming to the country and be proud of it

1081
00:51:30,293 --> 00:51:32,613
Speaker 3: and invest here. But I don't care if you want

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Speaker 3: more cycle ways.

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00:51:33,413 --> 00:51:35,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but yeah, okay, maybe on that issue. But

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00:51:35,933 --> 00:51:38,333
Speaker 2: James Cameron certainly knows a lot about getting movies made,

1085
00:51:38,373 --> 00:51:42,293
Speaker 2: and he's made three of the top four biggest grossing

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00:51:42,413 --> 00:51:46,693
Speaker 2: movies of all time, so he certainly knows about that industry.

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Speaker 3: Listen to him about the film industry, not about cycle.

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00:51:49,213 --> 00:51:51,732
Speaker 2: Lanes, well exactly. So should we have listened to Peter

1089
00:51:51,813 --> 00:51:52,973
Speaker 2: Teel about the tech industry?

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00:51:53,133 --> 00:51:53,293
Speaker 11: Yes?

1091
00:51:53,453 --> 00:51:56,093
Speaker 2: Or should we just concentrated hard on his politics? That's

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00:51:56,173 --> 00:51:59,853
Speaker 2: really I guess my question. Lisa says New Zealand is

1093
00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:02,853
Speaker 2: the most unwelcoming backward country in the world. That's my

1094
00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:05,692
Speaker 2: view on the way we treat successful people. I think

1095
00:52:05,733 --> 00:52:09,333
Speaker 2: it's just stupid, That's what Lisa says. Are we unwelcoming?

1096
00:52:09,853 --> 00:52:13,613
Speaker 2: Are we suspicious of success? Do we nickel and dine

1097
00:52:13,733 --> 00:52:17,093
Speaker 2: people too much on their politics when all we want

1098
00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:20,613
Speaker 2: to do is rinse them for cash and rents them

1099
00:52:20,653 --> 00:52:23,733
Speaker 2: for knowledge and rints them for new industry In New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1101
00:52:26,173 --> 00:52:28,212
Speaker 3: to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

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00:52:28,253 --> 00:52:29,333
Speaker 3: It is twenty one past two.

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00:52:33,813 --> 00:52:37,173
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1104
00:52:37,253 --> 00:52:39,133
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk V.

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00:52:39,933 --> 00:52:42,773
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, and we're talking about billionaires

1106
00:52:42,853 --> 00:52:45,573
Speaker 3: within New Zealand. This is on the back of US

1107
00:52:45,653 --> 00:52:49,133
Speaker 3: billionaire Peter Tail. He is winding down most of his

1108
00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:52,533
Speaker 3: business interests. So the question put to you is do

1109
00:52:52,693 --> 00:52:55,093
Speaker 3: we want to rinse those billionaires for all that sweet

1110
00:52:55,133 --> 00:52:57,692
Speaker 3: billionaire money or do we want to close up shop?

1111
00:52:57,693 --> 00:52:58,413
Speaker 3: And so you're not welcome.

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00:52:58,533 --> 00:53:01,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, there's no way to no two ways

1113
00:53:01,773 --> 00:53:03,732
Speaker 2: to put it. We weren't very friendly to Peter Tell.

1114
00:53:04,093 --> 00:53:11,413
Speaker 2: The media, wasn't the resource consent and the environmental court.

1115
00:53:11,453 --> 00:53:15,173
Speaker 2: We went very friendly to his plan in near Wonica

1116
00:53:15,253 --> 00:53:17,573
Speaker 2: on the Lakes of Wannica. This Texas says that wasn't

1117
00:53:17,653 --> 00:53:21,573
Speaker 2: an underground mansion, that was more like an underground layer

1118
00:53:21,613 --> 00:53:25,773
Speaker 2: of harvesting blood beneath the surface surface. Now I need

1119
00:53:25,813 --> 00:53:28,493
Speaker 2: to see more evidence that Peter Teal's a vampire. I haven't.

1120
00:53:29,533 --> 00:53:31,093
Speaker 3: I've heard the stories, heard the rumors.

1121
00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:33,013
Speaker 2: That's one of the accusations that he's facing.

1122
00:53:33,173 --> 00:53:34,213
Speaker 3: There is a lot of sundown here.

1123
00:53:34,253 --> 00:53:37,093
Speaker 2: Peter Tail was ostracized for his connection to Trump when

1124
00:53:37,133 --> 00:53:39,693
Speaker 2: it was popular to be a Trump hater, and keeping

1125
00:53:40,173 --> 00:53:42,733
Speaker 2: Monaca made it incredibly difficult to build a house. So

1126
00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:46,053
Speaker 2: finally he got annoyed and left, leaving our silly little

1127
00:53:46,093 --> 00:53:50,533
Speaker 2: country that's from Rangy. Interesting, all right, John, welcome to

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Speaker 2: show your thoughts.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, good afternoon. There's a rule of thumb. My particular

1130
00:53:58,013 --> 00:54:01,013
Speaker 10: interests in development economics, which is said brand should be

1131
00:54:01,693 --> 00:54:05,013
Speaker 10: dismal science, which looks at how nations raise their living standards.

1132
00:54:05,853 --> 00:54:09,013
Speaker 10: And I've written a research to it of quite a

1133
00:54:09,053 --> 00:54:12,493
Speaker 10: few years now. But the basic rule is this that

1134
00:54:12,773 --> 00:54:18,013
Speaker 10: foreign investment can never substitute for domestic capital, right right, Okay.

1135
00:54:19,013 --> 00:54:22,973
Speaker 10: A nation which is genuinely determined on its own economic

1136
00:54:23,133 --> 00:54:27,933
Speaker 10: betterment will have no problem in accumulating and generating all

1137
00:54:28,013 --> 00:54:34,293
Speaker 10: the investment capital it needs. There is no such substitute

1138
00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:38,813
Speaker 10: for domestic savings. And if we were generally determined on

1139
00:54:38,973 --> 00:54:44,333
Speaker 10: economic progress, our governments success of governments would have engaged

1140
00:54:44,333 --> 00:54:50,093
Speaker 10: in a process called savings mobilization. We see this when

1141
00:54:50,293 --> 00:54:53,333
Speaker 10: nations are a desperate straits. For example, during World War Two,

1142
00:54:54,453 --> 00:55:00,293
Speaker 10: the government appeal to housewives for all their aluminium pots

1143
00:55:00,853 --> 00:55:07,573
Speaker 10: to make spitfires for the pad center. Governance go to

1144
00:55:07,693 --> 00:55:10,692
Speaker 10: great length. People can go to great leagus if they're

1145
00:55:10,813 --> 00:55:15,933
Speaker 10: genuinely determined on something to accumulate the resources. The problem

1146
00:55:16,053 --> 00:55:19,293
Speaker 10: is this is that there's only one way new Zealand

1147
00:55:19,413 --> 00:55:26,413
Speaker 10: will achieve prosperity, and that's by becoming an export powerhouse. Okay, Yeah,

1148
00:55:26,773 --> 00:55:30,813
Speaker 10: all of hincob nations that are leap from New Zealand

1149
00:55:31,133 --> 00:55:37,533
Speaker 10: are export powerhouses. You've got the formula, you've heard, the

1150
00:55:37,613 --> 00:55:41,853
Speaker 10: formula they beat and plug into the world, the seven

1151
00:55:41,893 --> 00:55:45,613
Speaker 10: word formula. That's the key to New Zealand's future.

1152
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Speaker 7: Right.

1153
00:55:46,933 --> 00:55:47,133
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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00:55:47,173 --> 00:55:52,732
Speaker 2: But but John, say, if you have a billionaire, such

1155
00:55:52,853 --> 00:55:55,573
Speaker 2: as a billionaire of film and distry, a guy like

1156
00:55:55,693 --> 00:55:58,613
Speaker 2: James Cameron, move here and become a New Zealand citizen

1157
00:55:58,693 --> 00:56:01,493
Speaker 2: and have all his base here, then that's what we're doing.

1158
00:56:01,573 --> 00:56:05,773
Speaker 2: We're really exporting to a certain extent movies to the

1159
00:56:05,853 --> 00:56:07,973
Speaker 2: world that we wouldn't do if he didn't become a

1160
00:56:08,053 --> 00:56:12,172
Speaker 2: sit of of our country and build his industry down here.

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00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:15,853
Speaker 10: No no, no, no no. To achieve rich and the

1162
00:56:15,973 --> 00:56:21,133
Speaker 10: crest nation status, we're talking about a massive expansion of

1163
00:56:21,213 --> 00:56:26,373
Speaker 10: New Zealand's productive sector. Ideally, New Zealand would need three

1164
00:56:26,493 --> 00:56:30,573
Speaker 10: or four fortune five hundred companies earning tens of billions

1165
00:56:30,653 --> 00:56:33,893
Speaker 10: of dollars an export revenue a year which w's come

1166
00:56:33,973 --> 00:56:37,573
Speaker 10: from film industry, ear any of these other given ideas.

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Speaker 6: If you will.

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Speaker 10: We've got to have a rock solid productive base like

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00:56:42,293 --> 00:56:45,493
Speaker 10: all these other countries, and we simply don't have that.

1170
00:56:47,733 --> 00:56:51,732
Speaker 10: After nineteen eighty four years of economic reform, we've got

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00:56:51,813 --> 00:56:56,173
Speaker 10: to where we are today. That is a downhill, low wage,

1172
00:56:56,493 --> 00:57:02,293
Speaker 10: dispirited agricultural export nation, devoid of all future prospects.

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00:57:02,813 --> 00:57:03,013
Speaker 11: Riot.

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Speaker 3: But there's one side of the equation, isn't it John.

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00:57:05,613 --> 00:57:08,013
Speaker 3: If I look through some of the wealthiest countries in

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00:57:08,053 --> 00:57:10,293
Speaker 3: the world, World, the US, Singapore, I know, you know

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00:57:10,373 --> 00:57:14,093
Speaker 3: a lot about Singapore, Germany, all of those countries have

1178
00:57:14,893 --> 00:57:18,293
Speaker 3: pretty fair foreign investment rules as and if you want

1179
00:57:18,293 --> 00:57:21,293
Speaker 3: to buy a house in those countries you can pretty easily.

1180
00:57:21,373 --> 00:57:22,573
Speaker 3: You cannot in New Zealand.

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00:57:26,293 --> 00:57:29,693
Speaker 10: All these other nations, nor the nations they do not

1182
00:57:29,853 --> 00:57:33,453
Speaker 10: allow immigration Perriet. You can't in New Zealand. You can't

1183
00:57:33,493 --> 00:57:36,373
Speaker 10: go another Norway or Denmark. In either of these other countries.

1184
00:57:36,893 --> 00:57:39,413
Speaker 10: They take a vast and different attitude to what we

1185
00:57:39,533 --> 00:57:43,333
Speaker 10: do in New Zealand. They're world class health systems, social

1186
00:57:43,453 --> 00:57:45,853
Speaker 10: security and all the rest of it, all the rest

1187
00:57:45,893 --> 00:57:49,013
Speaker 10: of it, their high living standards. They are for the

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00:57:49,173 --> 00:57:53,373
Speaker 10: exclusive use and enjoyment of their own citizens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so, but you're saying, right, So what you

1190
00:57:57,013 --> 00:58:00,933
Speaker 2: want to happen in New Zealand, So we become an

1191
00:58:01,173 --> 00:58:05,933
Speaker 2: incredibly successful exporting nation. And I guess that's more than

1192
00:58:06,013 --> 00:58:10,933
Speaker 2: just primary goods being sent over sea. It's a industrial

1193
00:58:11,053 --> 00:58:13,133
Speaker 2: factor on that. And what you think we can do

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00:58:13,253 --> 00:58:17,213
Speaker 2: that without overseas investment, Well, this has been.

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Speaker 10: The experience in every other developing nation. You mentioned Singapore

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00:58:21,373 --> 00:58:25,453
Speaker 10: for example. For sure, in the early days they did

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00:58:25,693 --> 00:58:31,853
Speaker 10: encourage foreign investment greatly that they encouraged labor intensive industries.

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Speaker 10: And this Leekwan you who famously said in nineteen sixty five,

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Speaker 10: we have nothing to offer the world except for the

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00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:41,893
Speaker 10: sweat off our backs. Now they encourage the establishment of

1201
00:58:42,013 --> 00:58:46,933
Speaker 10: Singapore of labor intensive industries. That leequan new per line

1202
00:58:47,933 --> 00:58:51,453
Speaker 10: the people's wages and put them with a central providence fund,

1203
00:58:51,893 --> 00:58:54,893
Speaker 10: and he ensured that all of that money went back

1204
00:58:54,933 --> 00:58:59,133
Speaker 10: into the productive sector. Now see where Singapore is today,

1205
00:58:59,813 --> 00:59:06,493
Speaker 10: It's leap for New Zealand. Today, Singapore spotlessly clean, crime free,

1206
00:59:07,013 --> 00:59:09,453
Speaker 10: and now the world's third high as per capita income,

1207
00:59:09,733 --> 00:59:12,493
Speaker 10: and it's got absolutely no resources. It even has to

1208
00:59:12,573 --> 00:59:16,813
Speaker 10: import its own tap water. By twenty fifty, it's predicted

1209
00:59:16,853 --> 00:59:20,653
Speaker 10: that Singapore and per capita income will be the richest

1210
00:59:20,733 --> 00:59:24,853
Speaker 10: nation on the planet. Here's where the problem is, because

1211
00:59:24,933 --> 00:59:27,933
Speaker 10: New Zealanders do not like to be honest about these things.

1212
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Speaker 10: In my experience, Compare Singapore as I've described it with

1213
00:59:31,773 --> 00:59:35,613
Speaker 10: contemporary atraw in New Zealand and tell me who's got

1214
00:59:35,693 --> 00:59:37,853
Speaker 10: it right and who's got it wrong. I could know

1215
00:59:38,093 --> 00:59:41,213
Speaker 10: any other number of countries which a leap frog New Zealand,

1216
00:59:41,853 --> 00:59:45,133
Speaker 10: and without exception, they've all taken a very different path

1217
00:59:45,453 --> 00:59:47,573
Speaker 10: to what we have in this country.

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Speaker 2: Well, would you know that Singapore is in a particularly

1219
00:59:50,693 --> 00:59:53,013
Speaker 2: good position to run a port? I understand they have

1220
00:59:53,013 --> 00:59:56,373
Speaker 2: about one hundred and thirty thousand ships stopping there the year.

1221
00:59:56,653 --> 00:59:58,973
Speaker 2: We're not in a very convenient place for people to

1222
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Speaker 2: set up a port like that.

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Speaker 10: Of course, of course, geographically New Zealander is tailoring Charlie.

1224
01:00:08,533 --> 01:00:12,213
Speaker 10: But we have to fato our own streets develop entirely

1225
01:00:12,853 --> 01:00:16,933
Speaker 10: new areas of what's called dynamic comparative advantage. And one

1226
01:00:17,013 --> 01:00:20,893
Speaker 10: example is research and development expenditure. The laws of economic

1227
01:00:20,973 --> 01:00:24,013
Speaker 10: success are written in Stone. We spend one percent of

1228
01:00:24,133 --> 01:00:29,533
Speaker 10: GDP on R and D, you know, and throll five percent.

1229
01:00:29,893 --> 01:00:33,093
Speaker 10: Have a look at intral no friends, no resources, hated

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Speaker 10: by everyone.

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Speaker 3: But that therein lies the problem. John, and I know

1232
01:00:36,653 --> 01:00:38,813
Speaker 3: what you're going to say, that we should be investing

1233
01:00:38,933 --> 01:00:41,733
Speaker 3: our own money into research and development, but we don't

1234
01:00:41,773 --> 01:00:44,533
Speaker 3: have that money. And that's where foreign investment can come

1235
01:00:44,613 --> 01:00:47,253
Speaker 3: into play, right, that they help us invest in these

1236
01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:49,933
Speaker 3: industries and these startups that we build in this country.

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Speaker 10: This is a very point I'm trying to make that

1238
01:00:54,693 --> 01:00:58,013
Speaker 10: a nation and New Zealance position, if it's generally determined

1239
01:00:58,053 --> 01:01:01,333
Speaker 10: on its own economic dotment, it should have no problem

1240
01:01:01,693 --> 01:01:07,373
Speaker 10: engaging what's called a process called savings mobilization to accumulate

1241
01:01:07,493 --> 01:01:11,813
Speaker 10: the necessary cap so we can build massive, entirely new,

1242
01:01:13,133 --> 01:01:18,373
Speaker 10: massive export industries. Okay, we have to develop entirely new

1243
01:01:18,533 --> 01:01:23,493
Speaker 10: areas of dynamic comparative advantage. But the problem in New

1244
01:01:23,573 --> 01:01:29,933
Speaker 10: Zealand is quite simply this. I'm not convinced that economic

1245
01:01:30,053 --> 01:01:36,813
Speaker 10: betterment is an override and uncontested national priority. The averfuge elander.

1246
01:01:38,093 --> 01:01:40,613
Speaker 10: He knows that wageous in that conditions can be better

1247
01:01:40,613 --> 01:01:44,813
Speaker 10: than other countries like Australia, for example, But as long

1248
01:01:44,853 --> 01:01:48,493
Speaker 10: as he's got a three bedroom house and Papakura Hamilton niece,

1249
01:01:48,973 --> 01:01:52,253
Speaker 10: Johnson Law sid he's happy, this house is worth a

1250
01:01:52,293 --> 01:01:55,413
Speaker 10: million dollars and he's got a car with a stupid

1251
01:01:55,693 --> 01:01:58,013
Speaker 10: personalized number of fate on it. Then he turns on

1252
01:01:58,133 --> 01:02:02,093
Speaker 10: the neuse my capture holding their own and Magadishu dacka

1253
01:02:03,093 --> 01:02:06,213
Speaker 10: Chad Marley wherever they're playing, and Lydia coast just from

1254
01:02:06,253 --> 01:02:09,533
Speaker 10: the US woman's golf open joe for most of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, push mine, you've said that. You've said that very well, mate,

1256
01:02:13,213 --> 01:02:16,253
Speaker 3: and always love your passion, Thank you very much. That

1257
01:02:16,453 --> 01:02:19,333
Speaker 3: is John's view, but love to hear yours. Nine to

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01:02:19,533 --> 01:02:21,653
Speaker 3: nine two is the text number we better get.

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Speaker 2: Do we need a junta to round the country like Singapore?

1260
01:02:24,973 --> 01:02:28,853
Speaker 2: Because yeah, having that that an elected junta really helped.

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01:02:30,773 --> 01:02:33,053
Speaker 3: Do we need a headlines with Roelean coming up?

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01:02:35,613 --> 01:02:39,213
Speaker 7: Jus talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

1263
01:02:39,333 --> 01:02:40,733
Speaker 7: no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister says.

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Speaker 7: Although it's legal for Chinese ships to be in waters

1266
01:02:45,133 --> 01:02:48,293
Speaker 7: near New Zealand and Australia, they would have liked notice

1267
01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:51,813
Speaker 7: before they held live fire naval drills in the Tasman Sea.

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01:02:52,333 --> 01:02:54,773
Speaker 7: The Defense Force says the ships were this morning four

1269
01:02:54,853 --> 01:02:59,173
Speaker 7: hundred and four K's east of Hobart in Tasmania. The

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Speaker 7: US President has held talks with France's president at the

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01:03:02,253 --> 01:03:06,213
Speaker 7: White House discussing the Ukraine War. Donald Trump is trying

1272
01:03:06,253 --> 01:03:08,693
Speaker 7: to find ways to claw back money from you crane

1273
01:03:09,093 --> 01:03:13,333
Speaker 7: and Emmanuel Macron corrected his claim the EU is getting

1274
01:03:13,453 --> 01:03:14,693
Speaker 7: back money it's.

1275
01:03:14,533 --> 01:03:15,413
Speaker 2: Put into the war.

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01:03:16,453 --> 01:03:20,773
Speaker 7: A Police Association spokesperson claims the public feels safer. Three

1277
01:03:20,893 --> 01:03:24,093
Speaker 7: months into the ban on gang patches in public breaches

1278
01:03:24,133 --> 01:03:27,533
Speaker 7: have copp more than three hundred charges. Seventy six patches

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Speaker 7: have been seized.

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Speaker 2: Year long.

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Speaker 7: Overseas adventures are becoming a forgotten treat, with Auckland Airport

1282
01:03:34,533 --> 01:03:37,253
Speaker 7: data showing the more than a quarter of oe's lasting

1283
01:03:37,413 --> 01:03:40,973
Speaker 7: beyond twelve months has dropped to one out of ten.

1284
01:03:42,133 --> 01:03:45,653
Speaker 7: Tourism holdings report steep decline and profit, but the New

1285
01:03:45,773 --> 01:03:49,493
Speaker 7: Zealand division outperforming. You can find out more at ensid

1286
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Speaker 7: Herald Premium. Back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. And we're talking about billionaires

1288
01:03:55,733 --> 01:03:57,893
Speaker 3: into New Zealand. Do we want them here or do

1289
01:03:57,973 --> 01:03:59,933
Speaker 3: we not want them here? On the back of Peter Tael,

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01:04:00,213 --> 01:04:03,693
Speaker 3: who is winding down his business interests and it is

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01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:05,893
Speaker 3: fair to say we's worried.

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Speaker 2: What's the opposite of rolling out a red carpet. We

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Speaker 2: put up fences and barriers and basically are in timemed

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01:04:12,093 --> 01:04:13,693
Speaker 2: he got together and gave him the finger.

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Speaker 3: Built a massive trench and say jump over if you can.

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Speaker 2: We basically said we don't like you, as what we

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01:04:19,693 --> 01:04:22,013
Speaker 2: said to Peter Tail. Were we right to do that?

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Speaker 2: Josh your thoughts?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, Maddie, Hey, I don't buy into this Peter

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Speaker 6: Tel thing. A look, I would say he's doing absolutely fine. Regardless,

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Speaker 6: he wasn't exactly rejected. I heard that you have to

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Speaker 6: actually live here to try and achieve what he was doing.

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Speaker 6: The longest he's been in this country to what I know,

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01:04:50,733 --> 01:04:54,533
Speaker 6: he came over for four months, then he left, then

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01:04:54,573 --> 01:04:57,173
Speaker 6: he came back for a month, then he left again.

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Speaker 6: So he's never actually really been here.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we did? You think he felt welcome

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Speaker 2: when he was here?

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Speaker 6: In comparison to someone like James Cameron, you know that

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01:05:11,453 --> 01:05:17,773
Speaker 6: guy lives here. He wants to genuinely build the industry,

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01:05:19,453 --> 01:05:23,213
Speaker 6: you know, like he's actually his almost soul is a

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Speaker 6: vested than what he does.

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Speaker 2: One of one of the great romances of all time

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Speaker 2: with him and Sir Peter Jackson and what they've done

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Speaker 2: down there of the music, the music industry, the film

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01:05:32,893 --> 01:05:36,533
Speaker 2: industry is actually phenomenal, phenomenal.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be pulling out the violin for Till because

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Speaker 6: you know he's planted seed.

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Speaker 2: Ye with Josh, we're not putting out the violin for Till.

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Speaker 2: We were saying, should we have been nicer to him,

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01:05:48,373 --> 01:05:52,773
Speaker 2: so we could have milked him and used his knowledge

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Speaker 2: in terms of tech and had him set up businesses here.

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01:05:56,733 --> 01:05:58,733
Speaker 2: That would have and that would have grown the wealth

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Speaker 2: of our country. I don't know. I don't have any

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01:06:01,933 --> 01:06:04,773
Speaker 2: doubt that Peter tel which is fine. It's whether we

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01:06:04,973 --> 01:06:07,733
Speaker 2: we just find without people like that coming here and

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Speaker 2: bringing you businesses to our country.

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Speaker 6: You know, whether he was bringing new business here or

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01:06:14,133 --> 01:06:17,013
Speaker 6: whether he wanted a wholesale buy out of the industry.

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Speaker 6: So you've got to you've got to be mindful of

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01:06:19,253 --> 01:06:22,413
Speaker 6: that too, Like we don't want to hand over I

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Speaker 6: P for free just because somebody shows up with a

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Speaker 6: bunchet cash.

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Speaker 2: I think he had more I P than we did.

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Speaker 2: That was that That's my point.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, But do we know that?

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Speaker 4: Do we know that well?

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Speaker 2: He's been incredibly fact, he's been incredibly successful in tech

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Speaker 2: in a way.

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Speaker 11: You don't know.

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Speaker 6: He came over with tech, whether his own I P.

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Speaker 6: He's coming to invest money in something that other people

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01:06:48,293 --> 01:06:48,653
Speaker 6: are doing.

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Speaker 13: So that's.

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01:06:52,653 --> 01:06:55,133
Speaker 6: Your I P over for the capital.

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Speaker 4: We're taking what I P.

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about, Josh?

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Speaker 6: So when we when we're talking about I T, we

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01:07:01,053 --> 01:07:04,813
Speaker 6: have I T industry, we have people working on projects.

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Speaker 6: Now the speed bumper is the capital. It's not the

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Speaker 6: I P. The steed bumpers the money.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I think it's both.

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Speaker 6: That's why you'd be asking what you are asking for

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01:07:17,613 --> 01:07:18,293
Speaker 6: an investor.

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Speaker 2: You want you want industries in New Zealand that have that,

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Speaker 2: that have their own i P growing out of you.

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Speaker 6: So what was his solid new idea that he was

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Speaker 6: going to share with us?

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Speaker 2: Again, well, who knows, but he.

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Speaker 3: I thought he you know, brings in that capital, as

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Speaker 3: you say, Josh, because he is a VC. That is

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Speaker 3: what he's known for doing. And if he invests into

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Speaker 3: the startups here, and I suppose it would be up

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Speaker 3: to those startups to make sure that they got the

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Speaker 3: best deal out of that that they didn't give him controlling.

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Speaker 2: And then you know the I P can just be

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Speaker 2: in terms of business now and how you make a

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Speaker 2: hell of a lot of money in the tech industry.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm beginning to think about this a little

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Speaker 6: bit differently. I liked that last caller you had, that

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Speaker 6: that older, genuine John, fantastic. And what I'm thinking is

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Speaker 6: if we want people to invest, obviously we want to

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Speaker 6: invest in research and development, So why not create a

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Speaker 6: capital fund for people to apply for when they are

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Speaker 6: trying to build or do research. What the billins can

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Speaker 6: have is interest from money invested in that in that

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Speaker 6: in that capital There not the ownership or ip of

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Speaker 6: everything that we've brought to the table, because that's that's

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Speaker 6: a bit of a We actually don't know the ins

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Speaker 6: and outs of Heather Tell. He's doing fine. He's probably

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Speaker 6: seated a whole of the economic stuff over here, even

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Speaker 6: though nothing's happening apparently, and he will be coming to

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Speaker 6: and fro. We have to think about global citizenship. You

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Speaker 6: have to think about people who are going to be

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Speaker 6: operating within economy.

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Speaker 2: That's not what John was talking about.

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Speaker 3: No, and the high Pitte now, Josh, and it's just

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Speaker 3: the facts, and they're trying to change that legislation now

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Speaker 3: through the Overseas Investment Office to make it easier. But

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Speaker 3: there are startups out there right now that are longing

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Speaker 3: for capital New Zealand businesses, but because of that legislation

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Speaker 3: in place, it's incredibly hard for them to get foreign

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Speaker 3: investment into those businesses. But always good to chat mate. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: We've got a few more calls to get to. It

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Speaker 3: is seventeen two three back for surely so Tiles.

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Speaker 2: I hear you've been thinking about a new Volvo suv.

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Speaker 3: You got it? And I know a lot of you

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Speaker 3: will say that's a bold choice and a crowded suv market.

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Speaker 3: But bear with me, why wouldn't you choose the Volvo

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Speaker 3: X ninety You got it? One look will tell you

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Speaker 3: she's a spacious beast, worth seating for up to seven people,

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01:09:57,253 --> 01:09:59,772
Speaker 3: truck loads, a room for your luggage as well, and.

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Speaker 2: Of course being Volvo, the XC ninety is packed with

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Speaker 2: Swedish no how and quality and comes fully loaded with

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01:10:05,612 --> 01:10:08,652
Speaker 2: the latest tech yep, and by that we mean Google Maps,

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01:10:08,692 --> 01:10:12,013
Speaker 2: Google Assistant and Google Play. The XC ninety has got

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Speaker 2: a panoramic roof, advanced to the air purifier and a

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01:10:14,652 --> 01:10:17,613
Speaker 2: head up display that changes to suitlight conditions.

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Speaker 3: See basically, the Volvo XC ninety is blim and smooth.

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01:10:21,452 --> 01:10:24,372
Speaker 2: Especially with your s suspension system that constantly adjusts the

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01:10:24,532 --> 01:10:26,372
Speaker 2: ride height and shock absorbers.

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Speaker 3: So I reckon you need to visit Volvo cars and

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01:10:29,772 --> 01:10:33,053
Speaker 3: see why the Volvo XC ninety is the suv for you.

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Speaker 3: Right now, I will good.

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Speaker 1: A fresh take on talkback Matt and Taylor afternoons with

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Speaker 1: the Volvo XC ninety, turn every journey into something special.

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Speaker 4: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth talks'.

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Speaker 3: B Good afternoon, and we're talking about foreign investment in

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Speaker 3: this country on the back of a billionaire Peter Teel,

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01:10:55,013 --> 01:10:57,572
Speaker 3: who is now winding up his business interests in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think people are getting a little bit confused,

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01:11:00,013 --> 01:11:02,333
Speaker 2: is what we're sort of asking the question you're asking here.

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01:11:02,572 --> 01:11:06,333
Speaker 2: We're not rarely asking what Peter Teel had or or

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01:11:06,412 --> 01:11:08,893
Speaker 2: what he could have done. We don't know or what

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01:11:09,013 --> 01:11:10,732
Speaker 2: his intentions were. I'm not sure what they were. He

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01:11:11,412 --> 01:11:14,253
Speaker 2: wanted to develop some properly down and wannacer invested a

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01:11:14,253 --> 01:11:16,492
Speaker 2: little bit in zero there was talk early on that

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Speaker 2: he could do a lot for our tech industry. But

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01:11:18,532 --> 01:11:21,013
Speaker 2: the question is, should we roll out a special red

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01:11:21,093 --> 01:11:25,732
Speaker 2: carpet for billionaires in the hopes that they will help

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Speaker 2: our economy grow. James Cameron's down fantastic stuff yep, with

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01:11:29,772 --> 01:11:31,972
Speaker 2: the Avatar movies down there, what he's doing with weather

1434
01:11:32,053 --> 01:11:35,213
Speaker 2: and Sir Peter Jackson and that whole film industry down there.

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01:11:35,612 --> 01:11:38,772
Speaker 2: He's now saying that we should invest more in that market,

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01:11:39,213 --> 01:11:43,013
Speaker 2: in that industry down that way. Should we listen to him?

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01:11:43,013 --> 01:11:44,932
Speaker 2: Should we roll out a carpet? Should we said? Should

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01:11:44,933 --> 01:11:47,732
Speaker 2: we have said to Peter Tail we love your mate,

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01:11:48,532 --> 01:11:51,572
Speaker 2: and what if you want to do will help you

1440
01:11:51,692 --> 01:11:54,053
Speaker 2: once you get here, will help you do what you

1441
01:11:54,093 --> 01:11:56,173
Speaker 2: want to do? Or should we done what we did,

1442
01:11:56,293 --> 01:11:58,732
Speaker 2: which was the media just said you seem like a dick.

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01:11:59,013 --> 01:11:59,652
Speaker 2: I hope you leave.

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Speaker 3: Bill Foley was another billionaire who came to this country

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01:12:03,013 --> 01:12:06,293
Speaker 3: and has invested heavily. He loves, clearly loves New Zealand.

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01:12:06,372 --> 01:12:09,053
Speaker 3: A League is his latest venture. He's invested a lot

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01:12:09,093 --> 01:12:11,253
Speaker 3: of money in New Zealand. Wineries employed a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: So billionaires at the stage haven't really bidden us in

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01:12:14,213 --> 01:12:14,933
Speaker 3: the behind haven't they.

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Speaker 2: Well John Range before and he said that that's not

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Speaker 2: the way to make our country rich.

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Speaker 8: What do you think, Peter, Well, he seemed to get

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01:12:24,853 --> 01:12:27,492
Speaker 8: a pass wort very quick on the recommendation. I think

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01:12:27,532 --> 01:12:33,652
Speaker 8: of a trade me steerholder. I believe some people are committed,

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01:12:33,692 --> 01:12:36,492
Speaker 8: but if they do live here, they're I'm obligated to

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01:12:36,572 --> 01:12:39,532
Speaker 8: pay New Zealand tax and if they are American citizen,

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01:12:39,652 --> 01:12:43,892
Speaker 8: they also if they keep THEIRSSI ship, they're obligated to pay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.

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Speaker 8: Yeah financially and if you look at where New Zealand

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Speaker 8: was with the first labor government that used state housing,

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Speaker 8: funding it by the Reserve Bank creating money from nowhere,

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Speaker 8: we actually had the highest standard of living and the

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Speaker 8: wealth were capital of New Zealand was more than anyone

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01:13:05,213 --> 01:13:06,973
Speaker 8: else in the Ministry of Works wrote a book on

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Speaker 8: the subject Housing in New Zealand by Cedrics and basically

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Speaker 8: said putting money into housing was not really great for

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Speaker 8: the economy, so people could just live in somewhere without

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Speaker 8: going broke and or being homeless. So I think I've

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Speaker 8: lived in Singapore and they focus on low income people

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Speaker 8: having housing so they.

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Speaker 6: Can afford to live there.

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Speaker 8: But I think they sort of priced themselves off the market.

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Speaker 8: We had a discussion recently with a few friends and

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Speaker 8: they were saying a house in China is about three

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Speaker 8: hundred thousand, a house in Japan is about three hundred

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Speaker 8: thousand of same property in New Zealand's about six hundred

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Speaker 8: thousand plus. So you might earn less in some countries,

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01:13:51,732 --> 01:13:54,213
Speaker 8: but the cost of living is more affordable than what

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Speaker 8: it is in New Zealand, so it's up to the

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Speaker 8: government to make it affordable. And you've got a fifteen

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01:14:00,732 --> 01:14:04,252
Speaker 8: percent tax when you buy a new house with GST

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01:14:04,933 --> 01:14:09,532
Speaker 8: a new build and if you're a local manufacture or

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01:14:09,612 --> 01:14:12,372
Speaker 8: you import you both are treated equally in the sense

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01:14:12,853 --> 01:14:16,892
Speaker 8: fifteen percent GST is added to the price you sell

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01:14:16,933 --> 01:14:20,213
Speaker 8: it to someone who can't claim GST back. So really

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01:14:20,893 --> 01:14:23,612
Speaker 8: New Zealand is not really offering. The best thing we

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01:14:23,692 --> 01:14:27,053
Speaker 8: have is some clean air and some green spaces. We're

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01:14:27,093 --> 01:14:29,452
Speaker 8: not overpopulated, and we're a long.

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Speaker 2: Away from the nuclear fallout as well.

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Speaker 13: Well.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't really make much difference. It still goes everywhere,

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01:14:35,973 --> 01:14:38,892
Speaker 8: but so have been. Fifteen twelve hundred miles from Australia

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01:14:39,013 --> 01:14:40,812
Speaker 8: is probably quite a good idea because they have water

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01:14:41,492 --> 01:14:45,213
Speaker 8: issues coming up the future, and we need to be

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01:14:45,492 --> 01:14:50,812
Speaker 8: independent defense wise and look after our own opportunities and

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01:14:51,133 --> 01:14:54,532
Speaker 8: do our own opportunities. We're not relying on billionaires to

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01:14:54,612 --> 01:14:57,372
Speaker 8: save mw zualm. A lot of billionaires are worth way

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Speaker 8: more than what New Zealand is, Peter.

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Speaker 2: When you talk about previous wealth that our country had

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01:15:03,652 --> 01:15:06,173
Speaker 2: a lot of, that was because we had such direct

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01:15:06,333 --> 01:15:09,412
Speaker 2: access to the UK market to sell our products directly

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01:15:09,452 --> 01:15:12,772
Speaker 2: to them, and when of course the UK joined the EU,

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01:15:12,893 --> 01:15:15,412
Speaker 2: we were cut out completely and that's when a lot

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01:15:15,452 --> 01:15:19,213
Speaker 2: of our troubles started. Wouldn't you agree, Well, just on

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01:15:19,372 --> 01:15:20,213
Speaker 2: what you just said.

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Speaker 8: Apparently they considered New Zealand part of Australia and they

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01:15:22,933 --> 01:15:26,412
Speaker 8: didn't give us stuff about Urica. They didn't And we've

1508
01:15:26,532 --> 01:15:29,052
Speaker 8: sent people to die for World War One and World

1509
01:15:29,093 --> 01:15:32,612
Speaker 8: War two. It was a shopping betrail and Britain fought

1510
01:15:32,732 --> 01:15:36,452
Speaker 8: the war and you know, for their own economic interest

1511
01:15:36,532 --> 01:15:39,013
Speaker 8: in New Zealand was where she goes, we go, you know.

1512
01:15:39,812 --> 01:15:44,293
Speaker 8: And it's the same with you know, the former White

1513
01:15:44,333 --> 01:15:47,412
Speaker 8: House administration where Biden went to New Zealand went. Now

1514
01:15:47,492 --> 01:15:50,572
Speaker 8: there's a new administration where America goes, we go We're

1515
01:15:50,692 --> 01:15:56,452
Speaker 8: just a anny little bunch of sheep that American papeteers.

1516
01:15:56,532 --> 01:15:58,972
Speaker 8: That doesn't matter which party you go there, they both

1517
01:15:59,013 --> 01:16:02,452
Speaker 8: agree whatever America says. The only time I can remember

1518
01:16:02,492 --> 01:16:04,772
Speaker 8: there was a disagreement was when nuclear wanted to be

1519
01:16:04,933 --> 01:16:07,852
Speaker 8: nuclear free. Apparently Margaret that you wanted to clear war

1520
01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:11,333
Speaker 8: on news at the time or not physic coal war.

1521
01:16:11,412 --> 01:16:12,532
Speaker 3: But oh good.

1522
01:16:13,452 --> 01:16:16,612
Speaker 8: There was the guy who was who cabinet sectories coming

1523
01:16:16,652 --> 01:16:20,612
Speaker 8: out with the book and she said, no New Zealand

1524
01:16:21,053 --> 01:16:23,812
Speaker 8: during nuclear friend, they can't do that. And he had

1525
01:16:23,812 --> 01:16:26,492
Speaker 8: a Kiwi pass not a British passport, and he got

1526
01:16:26,532 --> 01:16:28,213
Speaker 8: a British passport very quickly.

1527
01:16:29,372 --> 01:16:31,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for your court, Peter. But yeah,

1528
01:16:31,492 --> 01:16:32,932
Speaker 2: a lot of people that when we talk about when

1529
01:16:32,973 --> 01:16:34,893
Speaker 2: we were doing really well in our country, that was

1530
01:16:34,933 --> 01:16:37,933
Speaker 2: when things were very different. Low population, a lot of

1531
01:16:38,053 --> 01:16:41,052
Speaker 2: primary resources being sold, a lot of wool being sold,

1532
01:16:41,133 --> 01:16:44,412
Speaker 2: and a lot of sheep being sold to the UK,

1533
01:16:45,093 --> 01:16:46,173
Speaker 2: and we did very well.

1534
01:16:46,372 --> 01:16:47,053
Speaker 4: So well.

1535
01:16:47,093 --> 01:16:49,852
Speaker 2: Now then they joined the EU and because we've been

1536
01:16:49,893 --> 01:16:51,293
Speaker 2: doing that for so long, we didn't have any any

1537
01:16:51,412 --> 01:16:52,692
Speaker 2: other ideas for a while.

1538
01:16:52,692 --> 01:16:55,173
Speaker 3: Exactly right, So we've got to play some messages and

1539
01:16:55,253 --> 01:16:57,612
Speaker 3: then come back with more of your calls. Oh, eight

1540
01:16:57,692 --> 01:16:59,412
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty. Teen eighty is the number of calls,

1541
01:16:59,492 --> 01:17:02,253
Speaker 3: seven or three, the issues that.

1542
01:17:02,333 --> 01:17:04,612
Speaker 4: Affect you, and a bit of fun along the way.

1543
01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:08,812
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC eighty Innovation,

1544
01:17:09,053 --> 01:17:10,012
Speaker 1: style and design.

1545
01:17:10,213 --> 01:17:11,933
Speaker 4: Have it all you talk said, be.

1546
01:17:14,053 --> 01:17:16,052
Speaker 3: It is four to three.

1547
01:17:17,053 --> 01:17:19,333
Speaker 2: I think we should let the billionaires in and cut

1548
01:17:19,412 --> 01:17:21,893
Speaker 2: out the non contributing persons, take it on merit and

1549
01:17:21,973 --> 01:17:24,173
Speaker 2: leave all the workers here that they need there we

1550
01:17:24,293 --> 01:17:27,213
Speaker 2: go as young Kiwi. I don't want billionaires here because

1551
01:17:27,253 --> 01:17:29,452
Speaker 2: they'll push up property prices. You probably would have been

1552
01:17:29,452 --> 01:17:33,173
Speaker 2: competing with the billionaires properties, I think. Yeah, Peter Field

1553
01:17:33,173 --> 01:17:35,492
Speaker 2: was up for pretty flash place. New Zealand tends to

1554
01:17:35,532 --> 01:17:40,933
Speaker 2: be too environmentally and socially righteous and would sacrifice prosperity

1555
01:17:41,013 --> 01:17:42,092
Speaker 2: for the love of some frogs.

1556
01:17:42,973 --> 01:17:45,612
Speaker 3: Yea, Yeah, good texts in good phone calls, Thank you

1557
01:17:46,213 --> 01:17:49,652
Speaker 3: very much. I think, judging on the text primarily that

1558
01:17:49,732 --> 01:17:51,892
Speaker 3: we've got coming in it is a big middle finger

1559
01:17:51,933 --> 01:17:54,293
Speaker 3: to Peter til Yeah, that's right. See Lada, take your

1560
01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:56,213
Speaker 3: billion dollars and go back to the US.

1561
01:17:56,372 --> 01:18:01,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be nice to billionaires specifically as well. Yeah,

1562
01:18:01,253 --> 01:18:04,652
Speaker 2: seem to like James Yeah good movies. Great director loves

1563
01:18:04,732 --> 01:18:09,612
Speaker 2: New Zealand's Yeah, Seymour doesn't like them right coming up.

1564
01:18:09,572 --> 01:18:15,132
Speaker 3: After three o'clock. Should rescue helicopters be taking hunters trampers

1565
01:18:15,253 --> 01:18:19,052
Speaker 3: dogs into the chopper if need be? A Maritime Rescue

1566
01:18:19,093 --> 01:18:21,973
Speaker 3: Coordination Center says they shouldn't be, but we'd love to

1567
01:18:22,013 --> 01:18:24,133
Speaker 3: hear your thoughts. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1568
01:18:24,452 --> 01:18:26,093
Speaker 3: is an able to call? Nine two nine too is

1569
01:18:26,173 --> 01:18:28,452
Speaker 3: the text number, News, sport and weather coming up. You're

1570
01:18:28,452 --> 01:18:30,572
Speaker 3: listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you,

1571
01:18:32,572 --> 01:18:36,132
Speaker 3: talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams

1572
01:18:36,293 --> 01:18:39,452
Speaker 3: afternoon with the Volvo XC nineteen news dogs.

1573
01:18:39,452 --> 01:18:39,772
Speaker 6: They'd be.

1574
01:18:41,612 --> 01:18:44,532
Speaker 3: Well, good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show

1575
01:18:44,732 --> 01:18:48,212
Speaker 3: Tuesday afternoon and been a good, grunty couple of hours

1576
01:18:48,293 --> 01:18:51,333
Speaker 3: and this one, I imagine will be as well. Trampers

1577
01:18:51,372 --> 01:18:55,212
Speaker 3: and hunters are being urged not to activate personal locator

1578
01:18:55,333 --> 01:18:59,652
Speaker 3: beacons for their dogs. Maritime New Zealand's Rescue Coordinations Center

1579
01:18:59,692 --> 01:19:02,532
Speaker 3: confirmed a few dogs we're rescued each year after their

1580
01:19:02,572 --> 01:19:06,612
Speaker 3: owner activated a beacon. But it's operations manager Mike Klulo

1581
01:19:06,933 --> 01:19:10,453
Speaker 3: said whenever a beacon was used, specialist rescuers, including helicopters

1582
01:19:10,492 --> 01:19:14,213
Speaker 3: and expert volunteers were sent by the center. He says,

1583
01:19:14,253 --> 01:19:17,652
Speaker 3: I quote, these a valuable and limited resource, and while

1584
01:19:17,692 --> 01:19:20,093
Speaker 3: we understand dogs are important to their owners, it is

1585
01:19:20,253 --> 01:19:23,692
Speaker 3: equally important that rescue resources are available to respond to

1586
01:19:23,853 --> 01:19:26,053
Speaker 3: people whose lives may be at risk.

1587
01:19:26,812 --> 01:19:30,333
Speaker 2: Yes, So the upside of this, as you're out in

1588
01:19:30,652 --> 01:19:34,852
Speaker 2: the wilderness, you're out in the bush, your dog gets injured,

1589
01:19:35,652 --> 01:19:38,053
Speaker 2: you're worried about it, you think it's not going to

1590
01:19:38,093 --> 01:19:41,053
Speaker 2: make it out alive. You can't press the beacon to

1591
01:19:41,133 --> 01:19:43,212
Speaker 2: get picked up. Yeah, or you shouldn't.

1592
01:19:43,853 --> 01:19:44,013
Speaker 4: Ah.

1593
01:19:44,732 --> 01:19:46,973
Speaker 3: It's a tough one, a real tough one. And all

1594
01:19:47,093 --> 01:19:50,173
Speaker 3: I can see that far more than a situation that

1595
01:19:50,372 --> 01:19:53,452
Speaker 3: if you, as a tramper or a hunter, gets injured yourself,

1596
01:19:53,572 --> 01:19:55,772
Speaker 3: you set off the beacon. You've got a dog with you.

1597
01:19:56,412 --> 01:20:01,013
Speaker 3: Sometimes they cannot take that dog. Wow, Really, there's no

1598
01:20:01,093 --> 01:20:03,372
Speaker 3: room in the chopper for the dog. Well they might have, well,

1599
01:20:03,492 --> 01:20:06,253
Speaker 3: you'd hope so. But sometimes there's a myriad of reasons.

1600
01:20:06,412 --> 01:20:08,333
Speaker 3: As I understand it. If it hasn't been muzzle trained,

1601
01:20:08,692 --> 01:20:10,253
Speaker 3: so you can't put a muzzle wan it can't be

1602
01:20:10,293 --> 01:20:12,333
Speaker 3: in the tropic because it's a danger. It might be

1603
01:20:12,612 --> 01:20:14,173
Speaker 3: freaking out because.

1604
01:20:14,253 --> 01:20:17,253
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be great if it's you know, the back

1605
01:20:17,253 --> 01:20:18,372
Speaker 2: of the neck of the pilot, would it.

1606
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:21,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's up to the pilot and the crew's

1607
01:20:21,053 --> 01:20:23,293
Speaker 3: discretion about whether they take a dog. If they have

1608
01:20:23,412 --> 01:20:25,852
Speaker 3: to pick you up, it's up to the crew to decide.

1609
01:20:26,173 --> 01:20:28,173
Speaker 3: But that is a heck of a big call, because

1610
01:20:28,173 --> 01:20:29,492
Speaker 3: I got to say. If I was out in the

1611
01:20:29,612 --> 01:20:32,133
Speaker 3: back country with my dog and I got injured and

1612
01:20:32,173 --> 01:20:35,372
Speaker 3: they said, we're taking you, but sorry, Pepper's got to

1613
01:20:35,412 --> 01:20:37,812
Speaker 3: stay here, be like, well, I'm straining here too, I'm sorry.

1614
01:20:38,173 --> 01:20:41,173
Speaker 2: And so what happens to you if your dog gets

1615
01:20:41,213 --> 01:20:44,892
Speaker 2: injured and you press the emergency beacon and they turn up.

1616
01:20:45,572 --> 01:20:48,652
Speaker 2: Do they not take the dog under those circumstances? So

1617
01:20:48,772 --> 01:20:52,773
Speaker 2: they arrive and I guess they're arriving on false pretenses

1618
01:20:52,812 --> 01:20:55,293
Speaker 2: that they think it's a human and jured. Should they

1619
01:20:55,372 --> 01:20:57,492
Speaker 2: just leave the dog then or do they charge you?

1620
01:20:57,973 --> 01:21:00,972
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that they don't like to charge

1621
01:21:01,013 --> 01:21:05,532
Speaker 2: people in these circumstances because it makes people resistant to

1622
01:21:06,333 --> 01:21:08,812
Speaker 2: pressing the beacons if they you know, not sure that

1623
01:21:08,893 --> 01:21:12,852
Speaker 2: it's worthy of of getting packed up. Yeah, but I

1624
01:21:12,893 --> 01:21:13,173
Speaker 2: don't know.

1625
01:21:13,612 --> 01:21:14,293
Speaker 3: That's a tough one.

1626
01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:17,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a tough one. If I'd love to

1627
01:21:17,893 --> 01:21:20,293
Speaker 2: hear from anyone that's been out in the bush and

1628
01:21:20,372 --> 01:21:23,052
Speaker 2: has been has been rescued and has pressed the beacons,

1629
01:21:23,372 --> 01:21:25,812
Speaker 2: and also where the people would press the beacon for

1630
01:21:25,853 --> 01:21:28,892
Speaker 2: their dog. One hundred eighty ten eighty nine two nine

1631
01:21:28,973 --> 01:21:32,452
Speaker 2: two the number. Now it seems ridiculous because you know,

1632
01:21:32,572 --> 01:21:35,173
Speaker 2: I've got a dog called Colin. He's a mini Schnauzer

1633
01:21:35,293 --> 01:21:37,732
Speaker 2: miks with a Jack Russell. Very good boy, terrible pig

1634
01:21:37,812 --> 01:21:38,333
Speaker 2: hunting dog.

1635
01:21:39,253 --> 01:21:43,932
Speaker 3: He be good with rabbits. He'd get down.

1636
01:21:43,772 --> 01:21:45,932
Speaker 2: Those little holes with I'd probably back the rabbits against

1637
01:21:48,412 --> 01:21:52,572
Speaker 2: I'd beck the rabbits against Colin. But you know, boy boy,

1638
01:21:52,973 --> 01:21:57,412
Speaker 2: if if he got injured, I'd do anything, anything, anything

1639
01:21:57,732 --> 01:21:59,612
Speaker 2: to protect him. I mean, you just got to look

1640
01:21:59,612 --> 01:22:01,772
Speaker 2: at the john Wick movies. What people the lengths people

1641
01:22:01,812 --> 01:22:04,052
Speaker 2: will go to around their dogs.

1642
01:22:04,213 --> 01:22:05,772
Speaker 3: I think he took everything down there.

1643
01:22:06,213 --> 01:22:08,093
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand that the john Wick Movies is

1644
01:22:08,133 --> 01:22:09,933
Speaker 2: under documentary, but.

1645
01:22:10,093 --> 01:22:11,412
Speaker 3: We love our dogs. Yeah.

1646
01:22:11,732 --> 01:22:14,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the last Hour proved anything, New Zealanders hate

1647
01:22:14,612 --> 01:22:16,692
Speaker 2: overseas billionaires, but we do love our dogs.

1648
01:22:16,933 --> 01:22:19,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll add one hundred eighty ten eighty if you've

1649
01:22:19,293 --> 01:22:22,053
Speaker 3: had to set off a PLB and been rescued by

1650
01:22:22,133 --> 01:22:24,213
Speaker 3: the rescue chopper, love to hear from you. And if

1651
01:22:24,253 --> 01:22:26,213
Speaker 3: you are a tramper or a hunter that takes your

1652
01:22:26,253 --> 01:22:28,652
Speaker 3: dogs into the back country, where do you sit on

1653
01:22:28,732 --> 01:22:30,612
Speaker 3: this one? Do you accept that they may not pick

1654
01:22:30,692 --> 01:22:32,812
Speaker 3: up your dogs if you need to set off your PLB?

1655
01:22:33,173 --> 01:22:33,333
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1656
01:22:33,372 --> 01:22:36,012
Speaker 2: Well, this Texas says, for heaven's sake, dogs are family members.

1657
01:22:36,133 --> 01:22:39,412
Speaker 2: Just charged for the rescue if animals are involved, say

1658
01:22:39,452 --> 01:22:42,772
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars per dog. And this other one said

1659
01:22:42,933 --> 01:22:47,773
Speaker 2: use your PLB for your dog, expect a ten k bill. Well, interestingly,

1660
01:22:47,812 --> 01:22:50,732
Speaker 2: today I took my dog to the vet and he

1661
01:22:50,812 --> 01:22:52,812
Speaker 2: had very little needed to do done to him. It

1662
01:22:52,853 --> 01:22:53,932
Speaker 2: cost four hundred and twenty.

1663
01:22:53,732 --> 01:22:56,772
Speaker 3: Six dollars, so you know, cold's a big investment.

1664
01:22:56,933 --> 01:22:58,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll do that just because the skin's itchy.

1665
01:22:59,893 --> 01:23:00,213
Speaker 5: I had.

1666
01:23:00,213 --> 01:23:02,612
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1667
01:23:02,692 --> 01:23:04,492
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you on this one. Nine two

1668
01:23:04,612 --> 01:23:06,932
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text. It is eleven past three

1669
01:23:07,692 --> 01:23:10,333
Speaker 3: News Talk zed be good afternoon to you. We're talking

1670
01:23:10,333 --> 01:23:14,412
Speaker 3: about the maritime Rescue Coordination Center who is urging trampers

1671
01:23:14,452 --> 01:23:16,812
Speaker 3: and hunters with dogs in the back country not to

1672
01:23:16,893 --> 01:23:22,452
Speaker 3: set off their PLB. They have advised that that service

1673
01:23:22,612 --> 01:23:25,732
Speaker 3: is for humans primarily, and sometimes they will pick up

1674
01:23:25,732 --> 01:23:27,333
Speaker 3: a dog, but sometimes they will not.

1675
01:23:27,933 --> 01:23:28,133
Speaker 4: Look.

1676
01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:29,612
Speaker 2: Can I just admit right now that I don't know

1677
01:23:29,732 --> 01:23:32,972
Speaker 2: much about pig hunting? This Texas said Matt Jack Russell's

1678
01:23:32,973 --> 01:23:35,133
Speaker 2: are good pig dogs. They're quick and knit the back

1679
01:23:35,253 --> 01:23:41,892
Speaker 2: legs until the big pretty much pretty much sits down. Sorry,

1680
01:23:42,053 --> 01:23:44,293
Speaker 2: until the pig pretty much sits down. Steve Well, I

1681
01:23:44,372 --> 01:23:46,173
Speaker 2: think the mini schnauser is doing a lot of the

1682
01:23:46,253 --> 01:23:51,412
Speaker 2: heavy lifting in my schnack Jack Russell mini Schnauzer, because

1683
01:23:51,933 --> 01:23:54,452
Speaker 2: I think he'd run away from a pig. I've seen

1684
01:23:54,532 --> 01:23:55,733
Speaker 2: him run away from seagulls.

1685
01:23:57,013 --> 01:23:58,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how how helly to do with

1686
01:23:58,933 --> 01:23:59,293
Speaker 3: the boys.

1687
01:23:59,492 --> 01:24:01,812
Speaker 2: This Texas says, shoot the dog climbing the chop off

1688
01:24:01,853 --> 01:24:03,093
Speaker 2: home for a beer. Happy days?

1689
01:24:03,253 --> 01:24:03,932
Speaker 3: Wow? Okay?

1690
01:24:04,173 --> 01:24:07,293
Speaker 2: Is he's saying that the rescue people, should you arrive

1691
01:24:07,372 --> 01:24:09,732
Speaker 2: in the holl cop shot the dog.

1692
01:24:10,253 --> 01:24:12,133
Speaker 3: That would take the decision out of your hands, wouldn't that,

1693
01:24:12,933 --> 01:24:13,412
Speaker 3: Peter have.

1694
01:24:13,452 --> 01:24:15,492
Speaker 2: A welcome the show, your thoughts on this.

1695
01:24:18,173 --> 01:24:20,652
Speaker 17: If it's a dog, you give kist to get charged

1696
01:24:20,692 --> 01:24:25,572
Speaker 17: for it, get charged for it, of course, Yeah, I

1697
01:24:25,612 --> 01:24:27,212
Speaker 17: pay for your dog's maintenance.

1698
01:24:27,893 --> 01:24:30,852
Speaker 3: Well, you raise an interesting point, Peter, And as Matt

1699
01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:33,532
Speaker 3: said earlier, there's a good reason they don't charge generally.

1700
01:24:34,053 --> 01:24:36,333
Speaker 3: But but if there was a membership, hang on, mate,

1701
01:24:36,333 --> 01:24:37,772
Speaker 3: hang on, let me just finish my point and then

1702
01:24:37,812 --> 01:24:40,572
Speaker 3: you jump in there. But if there was a membership situation,

1703
01:24:40,933 --> 01:24:43,412
Speaker 3: and if you were paying into that membership, that money

1704
01:24:43,492 --> 01:24:46,372
Speaker 3: went back to the rescue helicopter. As long as you're

1705
01:24:46,412 --> 01:24:48,293
Speaker 3: a member, that means that you can get your dog

1706
01:24:48,372 --> 01:24:50,412
Speaker 3: picked up with you in case of an emergency. If

1707
01:24:50,412 --> 01:24:53,013
Speaker 3: you're not a member, well then sorry, we can't take

1708
01:24:53,053 --> 01:24:53,293
Speaker 3: the dog.

1709
01:24:54,173 --> 01:24:56,133
Speaker 17: Oh no, that's why I was going to ring up

1710
01:24:56,133 --> 01:24:58,052
Speaker 17: and give insurance.

1711
01:24:58,173 --> 01:24:59,892
Speaker 10: Like you know, if you get picked up by.

1712
01:24:59,893 --> 01:25:01,852
Speaker 17: Saint John because you fell over on the pavement, you've

1713
01:25:01,853 --> 01:25:05,052
Speaker 17: got to pay Saint John. So quite frankly, it should

1714
01:25:05,053 --> 01:25:07,013
Speaker 17: be an insurance. If you go in the bus, you

1715
01:25:07,013 --> 01:25:07,892
Speaker 17: should have insurance.

1716
01:25:08,372 --> 01:25:08,732
Speaker 5: M hmm.

1717
01:25:09,253 --> 01:25:09,452
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1718
01:25:09,612 --> 01:25:11,932
Speaker 2: Be interesting and you know you go, you go, Peter.

1719
01:25:12,013 --> 01:25:15,093
Speaker 4: Sorry, and that's what your dog or bear like dog.

1720
01:25:17,652 --> 01:25:18,333
Speaker 5: No, I don't want to.

1721
01:25:18,333 --> 01:25:18,772
Speaker 6: Pay for it.

1722
01:25:19,732 --> 01:25:22,492
Speaker 2: Are you a Do you have a dog, Peter, Do

1723
01:25:22,532 --> 01:25:23,333
Speaker 2: you have a dog yourself?

1724
01:25:23,412 --> 01:25:24,772
Speaker 11: No, I've got a couple of cats.

1725
01:25:24,812 --> 01:25:26,492
Speaker 2: But cats are very sick.

1726
01:25:27,133 --> 01:25:29,612
Speaker 17: I'm sick of it, every head sickond and being en

1727
01:25:29,612 --> 01:25:32,093
Speaker 17: sure your pet. You know what's your pit worth for?

1728
01:25:32,253 --> 01:25:34,612
Speaker 17: I reckon it's a grand? Anything more matter might will

1729
01:25:34,652 --> 01:25:35,372
Speaker 17: be good bye cat.

1730
01:25:37,013 --> 01:25:37,932
Speaker 3: You're a tough man, Peter.

1731
01:25:38,893 --> 01:25:40,732
Speaker 2: I would agree more than a grand and a cat.

1732
01:25:40,893 --> 01:25:42,692
Speaker 2: I would agree with a cat any more than a grand.

1733
01:25:42,732 --> 01:25:44,772
Speaker 2: But well, I mean I spent four hundred and twenty

1734
01:25:44,772 --> 01:25:46,572
Speaker 2: six dollars on my dog just today.

1735
01:25:46,732 --> 01:25:53,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, grand for a cat for a dog?

1736
01:25:54,853 --> 01:25:56,133
Speaker 4: Maybe true? Grand for a dog.

1737
01:25:56,652 --> 01:25:57,893
Speaker 2: I tell it. I tell it that it's funny. You

1738
01:25:58,173 --> 01:26:00,772
Speaker 2: actually raise an interesting point because I'm in a gray

1739
01:26:00,853 --> 01:26:03,412
Speaker 2: area because I'm a dog lover. I love dogs and

1740
01:26:03,772 --> 01:26:07,452
Speaker 2: and I I almost see them as humans, which is

1741
01:26:07,492 --> 01:26:10,732
Speaker 2: odd and I know it's not not right. But I

1742
01:26:10,853 --> 01:26:16,253
Speaker 2: would seriously judge someone that pressed their emergency location beaker

1743
01:26:16,692 --> 01:26:17,412
Speaker 2: for a cat.

1744
01:26:24,133 --> 01:26:27,412
Speaker 3: And Peter seek you for your call, Peter, Well, I

1745
01:26:27,452 --> 01:26:29,852
Speaker 3: can tell you any of those pet insurance companies part

1746
01:26:29,893 --> 01:26:31,812
Speaker 3: of that insurance deal is not a rescue job. But

1747
01:26:31,933 --> 01:26:32,692
Speaker 3: for your dog.

1748
01:26:32,812 --> 01:26:34,333
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I love to hear from

1749
01:26:34,372 --> 01:26:37,933
Speaker 2: someone that's you know, you know, operates in this in

1750
01:26:38,013 --> 01:26:40,293
Speaker 2: this area, that's been on those rescues and has pulled

1751
01:26:40,293 --> 01:26:42,532
Speaker 2: people out of the bush. What they would think about

1752
01:26:42,652 --> 01:26:47,372
Speaker 2: about this issue, because I don't know, would you if

1753
01:26:47,412 --> 01:26:50,133
Speaker 2: you weren't too busy, because they say, you know, and

1754
01:26:50,253 --> 01:26:51,812
Speaker 2: in the situation, I mean, it'll be a terrible situation.

1755
01:26:51,933 --> 01:26:55,532
Speaker 2: Can you imagine it where there's a person that's that's

1756
01:26:55,612 --> 01:26:58,892
Speaker 2: lost somewhere they press their PLB and there's a person

1757
01:26:59,532 --> 01:27:02,213
Speaker 2: that's somewhere else and they press it for their dog,

1758
01:27:02,933 --> 01:27:05,372
Speaker 2: and the rescue people have had to make the decision

1759
01:27:05,372 --> 01:27:09,133
Speaker 2: of where they go. They arrive, pick up the dog,

1760
01:27:09,692 --> 01:27:13,013
Speaker 2: and then the person dies somewhere else. Then that's when

1761
01:27:13,013 --> 01:27:16,013
Speaker 2: you put it into a stark, stark sort of compromising

1762
01:27:16,133 --> 01:27:18,692
Speaker 2: I think most of us would go, wow, you need

1763
01:27:18,772 --> 01:27:20,932
Speaker 2: to save the person. That the value of a person

1764
01:27:21,053 --> 01:27:22,253
Speaker 2: is always going to be more than the value of

1765
01:27:22,293 --> 01:27:22,572
Speaker 2: a dog.

1766
01:27:22,812 --> 01:27:25,293
Speaker 3: If you work in lands, love to hear from you.

1767
01:27:25,372 --> 01:27:27,492
Speaker 3: Have you ever been in that situation? Because there's a

1768
01:27:27,492 --> 01:27:29,452
Speaker 3: lot of hunters in this country and a lot of

1769
01:27:29,492 --> 01:27:31,652
Speaker 3: trampers who hype with their dogs. For that matter, have

1770
01:27:31,732 --> 01:27:33,492
Speaker 3: you ever been in that situation where you've had to

1771
01:27:33,532 --> 01:27:37,053
Speaker 3: make the call that we can't take your dog for

1772
01:27:37,133 --> 01:27:39,293
Speaker 3: whatever reason the dog's freaking out, or indeed, in that

1773
01:27:39,412 --> 01:27:43,652
Speaker 3: situation the human isn't injured, and you say, we'll take

1774
01:27:43,692 --> 01:27:44,372
Speaker 3: your dog as well.

1775
01:27:44,532 --> 01:27:47,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also I love to hear from hunters on

1776
01:27:48,093 --> 01:27:51,772
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty about this. I mean,

1777
01:27:51,973 --> 01:27:54,293
Speaker 2: how do you feel about your dogs? You know you've

1778
01:27:54,532 --> 01:27:58,013
Speaker 2: got you've got them risking life and limb out there

1779
01:27:58,293 --> 01:28:01,532
Speaker 2: for you if you're hunting pigs, what would you feel?

1780
01:28:01,812 --> 01:28:04,013
Speaker 2: Would you would you call the PLB to save your dog?

1781
01:28:04,492 --> 01:28:08,772
Speaker 2: Is this the thing that any rational person would do? Yeah,

1782
01:28:08,893 --> 01:28:10,652
Speaker 2: you know, love to hear, Love to hear from you.

1783
01:28:10,893 --> 01:28:13,452
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty teen eighty or nine nine two

1784
01:28:13,532 --> 01:28:14,213
Speaker 2: is the text number.

1785
01:28:14,452 --> 01:28:15,492
Speaker 3: Nineteen past three.

1786
01:28:19,532 --> 01:28:22,933
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and

1787
01:28:22,973 --> 01:28:25,133
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on us dog SEDB.

1788
01:28:25,492 --> 01:28:27,412
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, twenty one past three.

1789
01:28:27,532 --> 01:28:30,612
Speaker 2: I'm taking a lot of heat on my statement that

1790
01:28:30,732 --> 01:28:33,133
Speaker 2: you'd always pick the human over the dog. A dog

1791
01:28:33,173 --> 01:28:36,692
Speaker 2: would die for you, would not leave you behind, and

1792
01:28:36,812 --> 01:28:40,213
Speaker 2: I would not leave mine behind. Yeah, that's I mean, Yeah,

1793
01:28:40,333 --> 01:28:41,372
Speaker 2: there's heats.

1794
01:28:41,133 --> 01:28:43,053
Speaker 3: That you'd be willing to take. I certainly am over

1795
01:28:43,133 --> 01:28:46,532
Speaker 3: my dog Pipper. All the people say, you're numty, It's

1796
01:28:46,612 --> 01:28:49,492
Speaker 3: just a dog. You can say that. I mean, I'd

1797
01:28:49,652 --> 01:28:51,412
Speaker 3: pick my dog over you as a tick.

1798
01:28:51,492 --> 01:28:54,572
Speaker 2: Three other week this Texas is shut up you two

1799
01:28:54,652 --> 01:28:58,492
Speaker 2: dog lovers. My cat, Thomas, Trump's Colin and Pipper any day.

1800
01:28:59,013 --> 01:29:01,213
Speaker 3: Oh Thomas sounds like a yeah yeah solid cat.

1801
01:29:01,452 --> 01:29:07,492
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, got no time for Thomas. Welcome

1802
01:29:07,532 --> 01:29:10,893
Speaker 2: to the show, pe. So you have personal experience in

1803
01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:11,372
Speaker 2: this area.

1804
01:29:11,612 --> 01:29:17,293
Speaker 11: Well sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So well again, I've

1805
01:29:17,372 --> 01:29:23,173
Speaker 11: been rescued. I've been rescued three times, and I've been

1806
01:29:23,213 --> 01:29:25,892
Speaker 11: rescued four times. Three times. My dogs have been rescued

1807
01:29:25,933 --> 01:29:26,173
Speaker 11: with me.

1808
01:29:27,053 --> 01:29:27,173
Speaker 17: Uh.

1809
01:29:27,532 --> 01:29:30,893
Speaker 11: The other time, I made the call and let my

1810
01:29:31,013 --> 01:29:34,532
Speaker 11: dog go because it was too dangerous for It was

1811
01:29:34,572 --> 01:29:37,293
Speaker 11: too fustly dangerous for the rescuers. It would have been

1812
01:29:37,692 --> 01:29:39,372
Speaker 11: he would have rested his life more than he had

1813
01:29:39,452 --> 01:29:42,053
Speaker 11: to wrestle his life to save me. So I had

1814
01:29:42,093 --> 01:29:43,893
Speaker 11: to make a decision right then and there. That was

1815
01:29:43,973 --> 01:29:46,892
Speaker 11: probably the hardest thing I've ever had to live with, mate.

1816
01:29:47,532 --> 01:29:50,173
Speaker 11: I still think about that for today. But the reason

1817
01:29:50,213 --> 01:29:52,452
Speaker 11: why these these guys came out to rescue me. Is

1818
01:29:52,532 --> 01:29:54,612
Speaker 11: because I thought my life in danger for my dog.

1819
01:29:55,452 --> 01:29:57,412
Speaker 11: I wouldn't have been in those situations if it wasn't

1820
01:29:57,452 --> 01:30:00,133
Speaker 11: for my dogs. I rest my life every time for

1821
01:30:00,253 --> 01:30:03,173
Speaker 11: my dogs. They might them there, my kids made they're

1822
01:30:03,173 --> 01:30:05,972
Speaker 11: the ones who need my beat, my family, and they're

1823
01:30:06,013 --> 01:30:08,253
Speaker 11: always there out to protect me first. They'll die first.

1824
01:30:09,013 --> 01:30:11,452
Speaker 2: So can you can you tell us the exact sort

1825
01:30:11,492 --> 01:30:13,812
Speaker 2: of tell us the story of that that situation if

1826
01:30:13,853 --> 01:30:15,933
Speaker 2: you don't mind that you know the particular details of

1827
01:30:16,093 --> 01:30:17,772
Speaker 2: of that that tragic situation.

1828
01:30:20,452 --> 01:30:20,572
Speaker 14: Uh.

1829
01:30:20,692 --> 01:30:23,572
Speaker 11: So, we were up in the climos. We were right

1830
01:30:23,652 --> 01:30:26,052
Speaker 11: up in the combs, and I had a couple of bailers.

1831
01:30:27,173 --> 01:30:29,213
Speaker 11: One of my dogs is sort of he got bailed up,

1832
01:30:29,213 --> 01:30:31,492
Speaker 11: but he fell down. He ended up falling down the cliff.

1833
01:30:31,652 --> 01:30:33,732
Speaker 11: And he we had we had, we had a big boy.

1834
01:30:33,732 --> 01:30:36,133
Speaker 11: He was a big blue. He sailed up. My dog

1835
01:30:36,253 --> 01:30:37,892
Speaker 11: ended up going it, but so hard he fell off

1836
01:30:37,933 --> 01:30:41,173
Speaker 11: the cliffs. So I didn't give a shit about the

1837
01:30:41,213 --> 01:30:43,093
Speaker 11: pig after that. Sorry about the language. I didn't care

1838
01:30:43,293 --> 01:30:45,333
Speaker 11: about the pig after that. I just went after my dog.

1839
01:30:45,452 --> 01:30:47,892
Speaker 11: But my dog had probably fallen down about ten meters

1840
01:30:47,933 --> 01:30:50,213
Speaker 11: down there. He had fallen ten meters down the bank,

1841
01:30:50,293 --> 01:30:52,973
Speaker 11: and he had broken his back right on the rock

1842
01:30:53,053 --> 01:30:55,892
Speaker 11: and broken his back, and I could see him down there,

1843
01:30:55,973 --> 01:30:57,972
Speaker 11: but I mean, you know, he's like your kid made.

1844
01:30:58,173 --> 01:31:01,893
Speaker 11: So I made my way down there. But as I

1845
01:31:02,612 --> 01:31:04,492
Speaker 11: as I'm making my way down there, especially now on

1846
01:31:04,532 --> 01:31:07,093
Speaker 11: my grain i'm in the gorge, I can see it

1847
01:31:07,173 --> 01:31:09,772
Speaker 11: starts filling up. I had made the call to be

1848
01:31:09,893 --> 01:31:12,133
Speaker 11: rescued before I hid down, before I hit it down there,

1849
01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:13,612
Speaker 11: And it took me about a good twenty minutes to

1850
01:31:13,652 --> 01:31:15,852
Speaker 11: head on down there, to find my sleepless route down there,

1851
01:31:16,612 --> 01:31:20,612
Speaker 11: and I thought myself in dangers to grab him my

1852
01:31:20,772 --> 01:31:23,252
Speaker 11: time of the rescuers came to me, they found my GPS.

1853
01:31:23,372 --> 01:31:25,213
Speaker 11: They they By the time they got to me, mate,

1854
01:31:25,253 --> 01:31:27,732
Speaker 11: I was pretty much waste deep of water, and I

1855
01:31:27,853 --> 01:31:30,572
Speaker 11: wasn't going to let that dog go. I wasn't going

1856
01:31:30,612 --> 01:31:33,892
Speaker 11: to let him go. But I got saved. I got

1857
01:31:33,933 --> 01:31:37,932
Speaker 11: rescued first. And he actually the rescuer. I remember his name,

1858
01:31:37,973 --> 01:31:40,133
Speaker 11: his name of Stephen White. He was a forcing dude.

1859
01:31:40,853 --> 01:31:43,052
Speaker 11: He went down and tried to rescue my dog again,

1860
01:31:43,293 --> 01:31:46,253
Speaker 11: and I just said to him, looking, mate, I appreciate

1861
01:31:46,333 --> 01:31:50,213
Speaker 11: everything you're doing for me. But that he's because there's

1862
01:31:50,213 --> 01:31:51,812
Speaker 11: no knocking had done done for him anyway. If I

1863
01:31:51,853 --> 01:31:53,532
Speaker 11: had got him up, I would have to shoot him anyway.

1864
01:31:54,973 --> 01:31:58,253
Speaker 11: And that's the only time that I've ever put another

1865
01:31:58,372 --> 01:32:01,412
Speaker 11: man in front of another man's protection in front of

1866
01:32:01,492 --> 01:32:05,212
Speaker 11: my dog. Other than that makes my dogs are absolute

1867
01:32:05,293 --> 01:32:05,732
Speaker 11: life to me.

1868
01:32:06,293 --> 01:32:09,732
Speaker 2: So in that position, when you pressed the emergency beacon

1869
01:32:10,732 --> 01:32:13,932
Speaker 2: before you, so you you were in a bad position

1870
01:32:14,053 --> 01:32:16,412
Speaker 2: at that point. So did you press the beacon to

1871
01:32:16,492 --> 01:32:18,772
Speaker 2: save you because you needed to be saved or did

1872
01:32:18,812 --> 01:32:20,692
Speaker 2: you press it because you were about to go down

1873
01:32:21,013 --> 01:32:23,053
Speaker 2: into a dangerous area to collect your dog.

1874
01:32:24,692 --> 01:32:26,572
Speaker 11: I made I knew that once I go down there,

1875
01:32:26,772 --> 01:32:30,372
Speaker 11: I'm going to need rescuing right it before I even

1876
01:32:30,452 --> 01:32:32,732
Speaker 11: went down there, because I knew that I'm dead if

1877
01:32:32,893 --> 01:32:35,173
Speaker 11: you're down there, if i'm if I don't get a

1878
01:32:35,213 --> 01:32:39,253
Speaker 11: rescue out here, I'm dead. There's a hunter you can ask.

1879
01:32:39,572 --> 01:32:41,532
Speaker 11: I guarantee you nine out of teen hunters of risk

1880
01:32:41,572 --> 01:32:44,492
Speaker 11: their lives and the dogs, and I'll forget about the food.

1881
01:32:44,492 --> 01:32:45,253
Speaker 11: I'll tell you that much.

1882
01:32:45,933 --> 01:32:48,053
Speaker 2: What was the name of that dog? If you don't

1883
01:32:48,093 --> 01:32:48,572
Speaker 2: mind me asking.

1884
01:32:48,612 --> 01:32:54,132
Speaker 11: Brutus brutus, brutus, the barble beefcakes.

1885
01:32:56,253 --> 01:32:58,412
Speaker 2: Brutus the barb Beefcake is seven my favorite wrestler.

1886
01:32:59,213 --> 01:32:59,412
Speaker 11: I love.

1887
01:33:00,372 --> 01:33:03,253
Speaker 2: He was so cool. Put the sleep, cut the hair,

1888
01:33:03,372 --> 01:33:04,293
Speaker 2: get the shears out.

1889
01:33:05,853 --> 01:33:08,173
Speaker 3: So fell with I take it. You still hunt now?

1890
01:33:09,772 --> 01:33:12,133
Speaker 11: Yeah? Yeah, I still hunt. Fifty five years old made

1891
01:33:12,133 --> 01:33:14,133
Speaker 11: off So I still hunt now. And then I've just

1892
01:33:14,173 --> 01:33:15,772
Speaker 11: got him back from I'm in the army and I've

1893
01:33:15,772 --> 01:33:17,492
Speaker 11: just got him back from over the Ukraine's I'm going

1894
01:33:17,532 --> 01:33:18,933
Speaker 11: out for a bit of a crest of me and

1895
01:33:18,973 --> 01:33:20,173
Speaker 11: my brother in a couple of days.

1896
01:33:20,532 --> 01:33:20,732
Speaker 5: Wow.

1897
01:33:20,812 --> 01:33:22,932
Speaker 11: And he's got a couple of dogs at the moment,

1898
01:33:23,013 --> 01:33:26,333
Speaker 11: but yeah, I don't know. May might have to give

1899
01:33:26,372 --> 01:33:28,133
Speaker 11: them a bit of a rev seeing how they go

1900
01:33:28,213 --> 01:33:28,612
Speaker 11: down there.

1901
01:33:28,933 --> 01:33:29,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1902
01:33:29,253 --> 01:33:32,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, So with the dogs that you've got, now, when

1903
01:33:32,372 --> 01:33:34,293
Speaker 3: you go out, have you got you know, if something

1904
01:33:34,333 --> 01:33:36,213
Speaker 3: goes wrong with the dogs, but you're all good, you

1905
01:33:36,293 --> 01:33:38,852
Speaker 3: can jittison yet your bag. Have you got like a

1906
01:33:38,933 --> 01:33:40,732
Speaker 3: harness or something that you can carry them out if

1907
01:33:40,772 --> 01:33:41,013
Speaker 3: need be?

1908
01:33:43,013 --> 01:33:45,333
Speaker 11: Oh no, not really mate. At the end of the day,

1909
01:33:45,372 --> 01:33:46,973
Speaker 11: you don't really expect to put your dogs in a

1910
01:33:47,053 --> 01:33:50,893
Speaker 11: dangerous situation. You would never do that anyway, And I

1911
01:33:51,173 --> 01:33:53,892
Speaker 11: will always take the safest route and my dog's always

1912
01:33:53,893 --> 01:33:56,212
Speaker 11: follow me. It's always the dogs that will put themselves

1913
01:33:56,253 --> 01:33:58,932
Speaker 11: in danger. Before you put yourselves in danger. I will

1914
01:33:59,013 --> 01:34:00,732
Speaker 11: try and rescue them. But it's not like I can

1915
01:34:01,133 --> 01:34:02,532
Speaker 11: chuck a rope down to all them and he's gonna

1916
01:34:02,532 --> 01:34:05,652
Speaker 11: grab it. I mean, you've got to go where the

1917
01:34:05,692 --> 01:34:07,612
Speaker 11: dog goes. And if the dog gets stuck, I mean

1918
01:34:07,692 --> 01:34:10,492
Speaker 11: my mind time the seen. If my dog stuff's off

1919
01:34:10,572 --> 01:34:12,293
Speaker 11: down of the bush somewhere, I'll leave my jumper there

1920
01:34:12,333 --> 01:34:14,173
Speaker 11: for him and come back the next day. Usually he'll

1921
01:34:14,173 --> 01:34:16,973
Speaker 11: be dead. Yeah, he'll come back to where I am.

1922
01:34:17,053 --> 01:34:20,013
Speaker 11: But if affect dog's in danger, mate, and I know

1923
01:34:20,133 --> 01:34:24,293
Speaker 11: he's in danger, I don't care what I'm doing. I'm

1924
01:34:24,372 --> 01:34:26,652
Speaker 11: going to do my best to try and rescue that dog.

1925
01:34:27,253 --> 01:34:29,492
Speaker 11: And nine times out of ten, and I do have

1926
01:34:29,612 --> 01:34:32,133
Speaker 11: a rope or something on me, that's about it, mate.

1927
01:34:32,173 --> 01:34:33,812
Speaker 11: It's not a rope, that's an me a rope or

1928
01:34:33,812 --> 01:34:35,412
Speaker 11: something like that. Then I can harness up and I'm

1929
01:34:35,412 --> 01:34:36,692
Speaker 11: going to get myself safety back.

1930
01:34:36,612 --> 01:34:36,893
Speaker 2: Out to you.

1931
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:38,492
Speaker 11: I'm not going to take a harness system with the

1932
01:34:38,572 --> 01:34:40,893
Speaker 11: pullions and all of that sort of stuff. It's just

1933
01:34:40,973 --> 01:34:42,452
Speaker 11: I'm at the end of the day, I'm on the

1934
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Speaker 11: bush to do that, you know what I mean?

1935
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Phil, I've got a question for you. This

1936
01:34:46,173 --> 01:34:50,572
Speaker 2: is a hypothetical. Say you have been injured and you

1937
01:34:51,133 --> 01:34:55,372
Speaker 2: you press your PLB and you know, you know, they

1938
01:34:55,492 --> 01:34:59,213
Speaker 2: arrive to rescue you and your dog's fine, but they say,

1939
01:34:59,372 --> 01:35:01,452
Speaker 2: we don't have room to take your dog. We can't

1940
01:35:01,532 --> 01:35:05,372
Speaker 2: take your dog, so you're going to have to They're

1941
01:35:05,372 --> 01:35:08,892
Speaker 2: going to take you out, save you, but they haven't

1942
01:35:08,893 --> 01:35:10,173
Speaker 2: got any room for the dog. What do you do

1943
01:35:10,293 --> 01:35:11,333
Speaker 2: under those circumstances.

1944
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:15,013
Speaker 11: I see a lot of you guys make up on

1945
01:35:15,173 --> 01:35:16,452
Speaker 11: my way up. Me and my boy would be a

1946
01:35:16,572 --> 01:35:20,652
Speaker 11: good m hm. I can understand that no way, no way,

1947
01:35:20,732 --> 01:35:22,972
Speaker 11: in no way or that I'll ever leave my dog

1948
01:35:23,492 --> 01:35:25,892
Speaker 11: alone if he can be helped, if he if he's

1949
01:35:25,933 --> 01:35:28,213
Speaker 11: knowing you wrong with my dog. No, I won't take

1950
01:35:28,253 --> 01:35:30,412
Speaker 11: the help. We honestly I won't take the help. But

1951
01:35:30,532 --> 01:35:32,213
Speaker 11: then again I have never been in that position to

1952
01:35:32,253 --> 01:35:33,133
Speaker 11: actually saying that, mate.

1953
01:35:33,412 --> 01:35:35,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just a hypothetical. Hey, thank

1954
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Speaker 2: you so much for your call, Phil, really appreciate it.

1955
01:35:38,053 --> 01:35:41,293
Speaker 2: And good and good good luck out there and r

1956
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Speaker 2: I P brutus.

1957
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Speaker 3: Yeah good dog, Yeah, thank you all right, mate, go well,

1958
01:35:46,973 --> 01:35:49,812
Speaker 3: what a great call here of a situation to be in.

1959
01:35:50,612 --> 01:35:52,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, so complicated it is.

1960
01:35:53,732 --> 01:35:57,532
Speaker 3: I can genuine say, I genuinely say I think I

1961
01:35:57,652 --> 01:36:01,013
Speaker 3: would be in that same situation if I. I mean,

1962
01:36:01,053 --> 01:36:03,053
Speaker 3: here's the problem with the PLBs, right, is that you

1963
01:36:03,333 --> 01:36:07,852
Speaker 3: can't alert the rescue choppers and those guys do God's work.

1964
01:36:07,893 --> 01:36:10,973
Speaker 3: They salute legends, and we'll be buggered without them. But

1965
01:36:11,093 --> 01:36:12,772
Speaker 3: when you set off a PLB, you can't tell them

1966
01:36:12,812 --> 01:36:15,652
Speaker 3: what's going on. You know, you can get the garment

1967
01:36:15,732 --> 01:36:17,133
Speaker 3: in reach. I think they call it where you can

1968
01:36:17,173 --> 01:36:19,053
Speaker 3: at least send a bit of a text and let

1969
01:36:19,093 --> 01:36:21,812
Speaker 3: them know the situation before they arrive. But just setting

1970
01:36:21,893 --> 01:36:24,852
Speaker 3: off a PLB and I say they get there, I've

1971
01:36:24,893 --> 01:36:26,652
Speaker 3: broken my leg and I've got my dog with me,

1972
01:36:27,893 --> 01:36:31,812
Speaker 3: and they say we're gonna leave without Pepper because she's

1973
01:36:31,853 --> 01:36:35,852
Speaker 3: freaking out over the chopper, and I have to then say, well,

1974
01:36:35,933 --> 01:36:38,893
Speaker 3: you're not taking me either. That's a crappy situation for

1975
01:36:38,933 --> 01:36:41,772
Speaker 3: everyone to be in. So maybe it's the PLB problem.

1976
01:36:41,853 --> 01:36:44,372
Speaker 3: Maybe you need their garment in reach or whatever it is.

1977
01:36:44,372 --> 01:36:45,852
Speaker 3: I don't want to give a plug for garment, but

1978
01:36:45,933 --> 01:36:48,652
Speaker 3: the ability to just text and say I've broken my

1979
01:36:48,772 --> 01:36:51,973
Speaker 3: leg I've got my dog. If you come and rescue me,

1980
01:36:52,333 --> 01:36:54,812
Speaker 3: I need my dog with me or else, don't bother.

1981
01:36:54,893 --> 01:36:57,412
Speaker 3: I'll try and get out myself, me plus dog, yeah.

1982
01:36:57,412 --> 01:37:01,452
Speaker 2: Or dog injured. This person takes umbrage at Phil. I

1983
01:37:01,492 --> 01:37:04,213
Speaker 2: think this guy thinks the rescue chopper as his personal uber,

1984
01:37:04,572 --> 01:37:07,372
Speaker 2: no thought for the safety of the rescue team. And

1985
01:37:07,492 --> 01:37:09,013
Speaker 2: there's there's a bit of pe people who the hell

1986
01:37:09,093 --> 01:37:11,412
Speaker 2: puts themselves in danger then sets the alarm so he

1987
01:37:11,532 --> 01:37:13,973
Speaker 2: can shoot his dog. Well, I'm not sure if that

1988
01:37:14,093 --> 01:37:16,492
Speaker 2: makes sense what that person says. Well, you talk about

1989
01:37:16,532 --> 01:37:20,452
Speaker 2: that the PLB things, which is the per personal locator Beacon.

1990
01:37:20,853 --> 01:37:23,732
Speaker 2: Just in case you're wondering why Tyler's saying PLB constantly.

1991
01:37:24,732 --> 01:37:27,772
Speaker 2: Friends of mine, you know, if there's any where friends listening,

1992
01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:30,772
Speaker 2: we the term PLB means something different for us anyway,

1993
01:37:30,812 --> 01:37:35,412
Speaker 2: that's a Hidaki thing. What about when the starlink starlink? Right, Yeah,

1994
01:37:35,772 --> 01:37:38,772
Speaker 2: so you get the starlink, you get complete coverage over

1995
01:37:38,853 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 2: the entirety of the nation, so you can ring up

1996
01:37:43,253 --> 01:37:45,492
Speaker 2: and you can give all the information at that point.

1997
01:37:45,772 --> 01:37:49,253
Speaker 2: But if your dog's injured and you want your dog

1998
01:37:49,333 --> 01:37:50,732
Speaker 2: to be taken out, you're not going to say that.

1999
01:37:50,893 --> 01:37:54,612
Speaker 2: Are you You're going to go I need rescuing, you know,

2000
01:37:54,853 --> 01:37:57,293
Speaker 2: so even the ability to give that full information if

2001
01:37:57,333 --> 01:37:59,372
Speaker 2: it is the dog that you need saving, you know,

2002
01:37:59,372 --> 01:38:01,893
Speaker 2: are you going to hand that information over knowing that

2003
01:38:02,013 --> 01:38:03,333
Speaker 2: they might not come just for a dog?

2004
01:38:03,572 --> 01:38:06,053
Speaker 3: It would take a lot. If Pepper gets injured and

2005
01:38:06,133 --> 01:38:07,692
Speaker 3: I don't, it would take a lot for me to

2006
01:38:07,732 --> 01:38:10,532
Speaker 3: set off the pace. I think I'd try to run

2007
01:38:10,612 --> 01:38:12,452
Speaker 3: around there before I see it off, and I don't

2008
01:38:12,532 --> 01:38:14,612
Speaker 3: say B. I'll be a lot right. Let's call it

2009
01:38:14,652 --> 01:38:15,852
Speaker 3: the pistol and Locato Beacon.

2010
01:38:16,372 --> 01:38:18,572
Speaker 2: No no one's ever pressed a PLB for a dog

2011
01:38:18,652 --> 01:38:20,253
Speaker 2: called Pepper. That just hasn't happened.

2012
01:38:21,732 --> 01:38:24,293
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is anublic call. If you

2013
01:38:24,412 --> 01:38:27,013
Speaker 3: have been in a rescue situation, love to hear from you.

2014
01:38:27,133 --> 01:38:29,253
Speaker 3: And if you are an avid tramper hunter with dogs,

2015
01:38:29,652 --> 01:38:30,772
Speaker 3: what would you do in this situation?

2016
01:38:31,093 --> 01:38:33,492
Speaker 2: And I would just love to hear your stories as well.

2017
01:38:34,013 --> 01:38:37,692
Speaker 2: You know about trouble that you've got into hunting or

2018
01:38:37,732 --> 01:38:40,173
Speaker 2: trouble that you've got in tramping. And I love to

2019
01:38:40,333 --> 01:38:44,132
Speaker 2: hear from you know, those those absolute heroes that rescue

2020
01:38:44,173 --> 01:38:46,412
Speaker 2: people and what their thoughts on this because that's a

2021
01:38:46,812 --> 01:38:50,213
Speaker 2: that's a very interesting thing. You turn up and it's

2022
01:38:50,293 --> 01:38:53,013
Speaker 2: the dog and not the human. I mean, are you

2023
01:38:53,133 --> 01:38:54,213
Speaker 2: angry at that point?

2024
01:38:54,572 --> 01:38:54,692
Speaker 7: You know?

2025
01:38:55,253 --> 01:38:57,372
Speaker 2: And it might be a hypothetical situation, but we'd love

2026
01:38:57,412 --> 01:38:57,852
Speaker 2: to hear from you.

2027
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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty headlines with Raylene coming up.

2028
01:39:03,772 --> 01:39:07,372
Speaker 7: You talk'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

2029
01:39:07,532 --> 01:39:10,333
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2030
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Speaker 7: and eighty five countries reveals key we deaths from the

2031
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2032
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2033
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Speaker 7: to one in every one thousand females. Researchers say early

2034
01:39:27,772 --> 01:39:32,053
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2035
01:39:32,133 --> 01:39:36,372
Speaker 7: the Treaty Principal's bill, calling it an unnecessary, costly vanity

2036
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Speaker 7: project delivering no public good. Disappointment from police and twiceele

2037
01:39:41,853 --> 01:39:45,572
Speaker 7: after a large group of intoxicated people caused issues around

2038
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Speaker 7: licensed premises on Saturday during the National Rowing Championships, they

2039
01:39:50,293 --> 01:39:54,172
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2040
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2042
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Speaker 7: left from April. Mental Health Minister Matt do season Art's

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2044
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Speaker 7: strategy for the first time in sixteen years, and the

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Speaker 7: government's putting nine million dollars into Great Ride Track upgrades

2046
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Speaker 7: and resilience design. US billionaire Peter Tayl winds Down has

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2049
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean and we're talking about

2050
01:40:30,973 --> 01:40:35,492
Speaker 3: being rescued by shopper. Story in the Herald about some

2051
01:40:35,612 --> 01:40:38,612
Speaker 3: people setting off their personal locator beacons when their dog

2052
01:40:38,772 --> 01:40:41,013
Speaker 3: is injured rather than a human being, and that is

2053
01:40:41,133 --> 01:40:44,652
Speaker 3: discouraged by the Rescue Coordination Center, but love your Story's O.

2054
01:40:44,732 --> 01:40:48,293
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty today, Anthony.

2055
01:40:48,133 --> 01:40:50,052
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. You have been in a tricky

2056
01:40:50,253 --> 01:40:51,732
Speaker 2: situation hunting with dogs.

2057
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Speaker 15: Yeah, so I don't have dogs myself that I've been

2058
01:40:55,452 --> 01:40:57,812
Speaker 15: out with mates that have dogs and one of them

2059
01:40:57,933 --> 01:41:00,133
Speaker 15: was bored by a pig and it was in a

2060
01:41:00,173 --> 01:41:02,652
Speaker 15: bad way and there was no thought of carrying it out.

2061
01:41:02,732 --> 01:41:05,133
Speaker 15: We were probably three hours two to and after three

2062
01:41:05,173 --> 01:41:09,333
Speaker 15: hours from the vehicle, you owner put the dog down

2063
01:41:09,372 --> 01:41:11,293
Speaker 15: on the spot. There was no thought of hitting the

2064
01:41:11,372 --> 01:41:15,173
Speaker 15: beacon because as as a tramp or a hunter, you

2065
01:41:15,293 --> 01:41:17,732
Speaker 15: know if you hit that beacon that button, that chop

2066
01:41:17,933 --> 01:41:20,053
Speaker 15: is coming to you and there's someone that's potentially in

2067
01:41:20,093 --> 01:41:22,732
Speaker 15: a worse situation, so you wouldn't activate it for a

2068
01:41:22,853 --> 01:41:25,852
Speaker 15: dog an equally on that front. A few were injured,

2069
01:41:25,893 --> 01:41:27,692
Speaker 15: but I listened to the last four and he said

2070
01:41:27,893 --> 01:41:29,812
Speaker 15: he would tell them to go away really tough. I

2071
01:41:29,853 --> 01:41:31,772
Speaker 15: haven't been in that situation, but I think if you're

2072
01:41:31,812 --> 01:41:33,452
Speaker 15: lying there in the middle of nowhere with a broken

2073
01:41:33,532 --> 01:41:36,892
Speaker 15: leg and they say that they can't take the dog, well,

2074
01:41:36,933 --> 01:41:38,253
Speaker 15: you're not going to get out on your own.

2075
01:41:38,412 --> 01:41:39,492
Speaker 11: So you would have to make that.

2076
01:41:39,612 --> 01:41:41,253
Speaker 15: Call, and you would have to put your animal down

2077
01:41:41,412 --> 01:41:43,973
Speaker 15: or let it run free, because you wouldn't want the

2078
01:41:44,053 --> 01:41:46,853
Speaker 15: dog to freak out and bite one of the chopper.

2079
01:41:46,572 --> 01:41:49,372
Speaker 11: Crew, etc. And then have a bigger problem.

2080
01:41:49,173 --> 01:41:49,692
Speaker 5: On your hands.

2081
01:41:50,853 --> 01:41:54,092
Speaker 15: And hunting dogs are there. Some of them are pets,

2082
01:41:54,412 --> 01:41:57,812
Speaker 15: but they're also working dogs, so they're not not the

2083
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:01,173
Speaker 15: most friendly most of the time. They're in a certain

2084
01:42:01,253 --> 01:42:03,892
Speaker 15: situation and if you're in a chopper, that's a pretty

2085
01:42:04,013 --> 01:42:07,972
Speaker 15: foreign situation for a dog. And then there's the hunters

2086
01:42:08,772 --> 01:42:11,133
Speaker 15: that the dog is a tall Yes, it can be

2087
01:42:11,173 --> 01:42:13,293
Speaker 15: a family pet, but it's a tool when it's out

2088
01:42:13,372 --> 01:42:17,572
Speaker 15: in the bush, and the sorry to say, but tools

2089
01:42:17,612 --> 01:42:19,012
Speaker 15: can be discarded if required.

2090
01:42:19,492 --> 01:42:23,132
Speaker 2: So, Anthony, in this situation where that in that position, Anthony,

2091
01:42:23,452 --> 01:42:26,973
Speaker 2: you know that you're talking about that situation where you

2092
01:42:27,093 --> 01:42:29,812
Speaker 2: know the person you're hunting with put his dog down.

2093
01:42:30,572 --> 01:42:34,372
Speaker 2: Was that an emotional thing for him? Was the Was

2094
01:42:34,372 --> 01:42:36,612
Speaker 2: there a lot of talk about a bit and didn't

2095
01:42:36,612 --> 01:42:36,772
Speaker 2: you know.

2096
01:42:37,452 --> 01:42:40,253
Speaker 15: Horrible situation to be in. You never want to put

2097
01:42:40,293 --> 01:42:43,053
Speaker 15: down an animal. When I've put down family pets rather

2098
01:42:43,173 --> 01:42:45,612
Speaker 15: than take them to the heat to be euthanized, I

2099
01:42:45,732 --> 01:42:49,253
Speaker 15: do it. I do it because it's it's an animalist.

2100
01:42:48,772 --> 01:42:50,532
Speaker 11: But I do it quickly.

2101
01:42:50,692 --> 01:42:52,932
Speaker 15: But that's the same situation. If you're putting down an

2102
01:42:52,933 --> 01:42:56,812
Speaker 15: animal that belongs to you, there's massive emotions involved in it.

2103
01:42:57,013 --> 01:43:00,213
Speaker 15: Not an easy thing to do, but probably a necessary

2104
01:43:00,293 --> 01:43:01,452
Speaker 15: thing to do in that situation.

2105
01:43:01,893 --> 01:43:04,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just hearing you talk there, Anthony, and

2106
01:43:05,053 --> 01:43:07,532
Speaker 3: it's you know, you made some very valid points, But

2107
01:43:08,732 --> 01:43:12,732
Speaker 3: it would be unwise to hunt or tramp by yourself.

2108
01:43:12,772 --> 01:43:14,572
Speaker 3: If you've got a dog, you want to have someone

2109
01:43:14,692 --> 01:43:17,532
Speaker 3: with you, right, I mean, that's good advice, genuinely. But

2110
01:43:17,572 --> 01:43:19,732
Speaker 3: if you've got a dog with you and you care

2111
01:43:19,772 --> 01:43:22,012
Speaker 3: deeply about that dog, if one of you gets injured,

2112
01:43:22,013 --> 01:43:24,372
Speaker 3: at least you've got hopefully another man to look after

2113
01:43:24,452 --> 01:43:25,772
Speaker 3: the dog if you need to be chop it out.

2114
01:43:27,652 --> 01:43:29,452
Speaker 15: Now, there's plenty of times that you go out on

2115
01:43:29,893 --> 01:43:32,133
Speaker 15: your own. So I'll go for a walk in the

2116
01:43:32,173 --> 01:43:35,372
Speaker 15: bush to fine feeling the fine feeling down, or I

2117
01:43:35,452 --> 01:43:37,652
Speaker 15: need to get away from society, et cetera. Or walk

2118
01:43:37,692 --> 01:43:40,412
Speaker 15: in the bush is calming for the soul. And if

2119
01:43:40,412 --> 01:43:42,253
Speaker 15: you take along your pit, whether you're the dog in

2120
01:43:42,412 --> 01:43:45,412
Speaker 15: some trouble, well here and if you have a locator beacon,

2121
01:43:45,452 --> 01:43:45,852
Speaker 15: et cetera.

2122
01:43:45,933 --> 01:43:48,492
Speaker 5: If you get into trouble, then you've.

2123
01:43:48,333 --> 01:43:49,013
Speaker 11: Got a way out.

2124
01:43:49,372 --> 01:43:51,893
Speaker 15: You don't necess well, you don't take into account the

2125
01:43:51,973 --> 01:43:54,213
Speaker 15: dog most of the time. It's not something I always

2126
01:43:54,293 --> 01:43:55,492
Speaker 15: think about, to be fair.

2127
01:43:55,772 --> 01:43:58,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Anthony, to go back to that situation before,

2128
01:43:59,333 --> 01:44:03,053
Speaker 2: So you said the dog was injured, but do you

2129
01:44:03,133 --> 01:44:06,333
Speaker 2: think the dog would have survived if you had decided

2130
01:44:06,532 --> 01:44:08,652
Speaker 2: if you know, you and your party had just id

2131
01:44:08,692 --> 01:44:10,892
Speaker 2: to you know, bundle it up and tramp it out.

2132
01:44:12,692 --> 01:44:13,732
Speaker 11: Probably not right.

2133
01:44:14,053 --> 01:44:17,293
Speaker 15: Why the decision was to shoot the box because it

2134
01:44:17,372 --> 01:44:20,772
Speaker 15: was in a bad way and just no thought around

2135
01:44:20,853 --> 01:44:22,973
Speaker 15: adding a getting a helicopter to come up pick up

2136
01:44:23,013 --> 01:44:25,492
Speaker 15: the animal. People, but there was someone else in trouble.

2137
01:44:25,772 --> 01:44:27,253
Speaker 15: They're more important than the dog.

2138
01:44:27,772 --> 01:44:30,653
Speaker 11: Yes, that's the that's the tall mentality.

2139
01:44:30,933 --> 01:44:31,372
Speaker 6: It's at all.

2140
01:44:31,452 --> 01:44:32,133
Speaker 15: It's not a person.

2141
01:44:32,253 --> 01:44:33,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. I think the about a text I'm

2142
01:44:33,893 --> 01:44:37,372
Speaker 2: getting mate, I'm getting for saying that, you know, a

2143
01:44:37,452 --> 01:44:40,372
Speaker 2: human's always worth more than a dog. There's a lot

2144
01:44:40,412 --> 01:44:42,612
Speaker 2: of people that disagree with that. There's a lot of

2145
01:44:42,652 --> 01:44:46,253
Speaker 2: people in New Zealand that think that your dog is

2146
01:44:46,652 --> 01:44:48,812
Speaker 2: is that important. Hey, thank you so much for sharing

2147
01:44:48,853 --> 01:44:50,333
Speaker 2: your story, Antony, I really appreciate it.

2148
01:44:52,053 --> 01:44:55,412
Speaker 3: Thanks go well, Thank you very much. Oh eight hundred

2149
01:44:55,412 --> 01:44:57,173
Speaker 3: and eighty and eighty is the number to call. We'll

2150
01:44:57,213 --> 01:44:59,892
Speaker 3: get to a few more of your phone calls shortly.

2151
01:44:59,973 --> 01:45:01,932
Speaker 3: But some great texts coming through as well.

2152
01:45:02,572 --> 01:45:04,772
Speaker 2: Tyler, you should stay in the bush and die beside

2153
01:45:04,812 --> 01:45:07,612
Speaker 2: Pepper and not think about leaving your wife alone.

2154
01:45:08,772 --> 01:45:11,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I tell you, dear text if I come

2155
01:45:11,692 --> 01:45:15,213
Speaker 3: back without Pepper. I mean, I'm sure I don't even

2156
01:45:15,213 --> 01:45:15,893
Speaker 3: want to think about that.

2157
01:45:16,053 --> 01:45:18,253
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, maybe the law to leave the dog behind,

2158
01:45:18,532 --> 01:45:20,652
Speaker 2: but I'd put ten thousand dollars on the fact it's

2159
01:45:20,692 --> 01:45:24,973
Speaker 2: never happened. This is New Zealand's we never leave a

2160
01:45:25,053 --> 01:45:28,012
Speaker 2: man behind. Yeah, I mean that is a good point.

2161
01:45:28,532 --> 01:45:30,692
Speaker 2: I wonder how often it would happen that they wouldn't

2162
01:45:30,732 --> 01:45:32,933
Speaker 2: have room in the helicopter for the dog. And you

2163
01:45:33,053 --> 01:45:35,293
Speaker 2: talk about like a dog that can't be muzzled, and

2164
01:45:35,333 --> 01:45:38,772
Speaker 2: they're worried about what's going to happen, and you know,

2165
01:45:39,213 --> 01:45:41,572
Speaker 2: a dog could be pretty freaked out in a helicopter.

2166
01:45:41,973 --> 01:45:44,692
Speaker 2: But I don't know has it ever happened. I'd like

2167
01:45:44,772 --> 01:45:47,692
Speaker 2: to hear has it ever happened? Yeah, that they've said, no,

2168
01:45:47,893 --> 01:45:50,173
Speaker 2: there's only room for you, there's not enough room for

2169
01:45:50,772 --> 01:45:53,372
Speaker 2: your dog. And so this is a different, slightly different

2170
01:45:53,372 --> 01:45:57,133
Speaker 2: scenario where someone's been injured sets off the PLB, the

2171
01:45:57,213 --> 01:46:00,812
Speaker 2: personal locator beaten chopper arrives to pick him up and

2172
01:46:00,812 --> 01:46:04,133
Speaker 2: he's legitimately or her legitimately injured, needs to go home,

2173
01:46:04,532 --> 01:46:07,812
Speaker 2: and the rescue people go, no room for your dog. Yeah,

2174
01:46:07,973 --> 01:46:08,812
Speaker 2: I can't quite a minute.

2175
01:46:08,812 --> 01:46:10,412
Speaker 3: If you can get in the helicopter and it's not

2176
01:46:10,532 --> 01:46:12,732
Speaker 3: going to freak out, then I think you're right. I

2177
01:46:12,772 --> 01:46:14,972
Speaker 3: don't think there'd be too many cases where that had happened.

2178
01:46:15,133 --> 01:46:17,213
Speaker 2: The sticks to Rix is eat the dog and heel.

2179
01:46:18,732 --> 01:46:21,093
Speaker 3: Okay, that's really stipping it up.

2180
01:46:21,093 --> 01:46:23,212
Speaker 2: And I've never eaten a dog. Do they have special

2181
01:46:23,652 --> 01:46:28,213
Speaker 2: healing abilities? I don't know, right well, I've traveled extent,

2182
01:46:28,293 --> 01:46:31,053
Speaker 2: so they probably have eaten dog. I probably have. Yeah, yeah,

2183
01:46:31,293 --> 01:46:32,612
Speaker 2: not not intentionally right.

2184
01:46:33,133 --> 01:46:36,253
Speaker 3: So back to the rescue one hundred and is then

2185
01:46:36,253 --> 01:46:37,572
Speaker 3: able to call eighteen to four.

2186
01:46:38,532 --> 01:46:41,893
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2187
01:46:42,253 --> 01:46:45,852
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt and Taylor afternoons, with the Volvo

2188
01:46:46,173 --> 01:46:49,333
Speaker 1: X ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort

2189
01:46:49,452 --> 01:46:50,212
Speaker 1: news talks.

2190
01:46:50,013 --> 01:46:52,972
Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon quarter to four.

2191
01:46:53,333 --> 01:46:55,372
Speaker 2: Well, men, Tyler, me and Tyler are dog lovers. You've

2192
01:46:55,412 --> 01:46:57,772
Speaker 2: got your your humiliating little dog Pepper, and I've got

2193
01:46:57,812 --> 01:47:02,253
Speaker 2: my heroic Mini Schnauser. If you Crustle called Colin.

2194
01:47:02,173 --> 01:47:04,892
Speaker 3: Feuds horroring the rescue helicopter and you said, yep, I've

2195
01:47:04,973 --> 01:47:08,173
Speaker 3: hurt myself and my mate Colin, they'll be like, no problem.

2196
01:47:08,372 --> 01:47:10,732
Speaker 3: Tell Colin. We're on our way until they get there.

2197
01:47:11,452 --> 01:47:13,133
Speaker 2: Jet Rust someone saying that you can't ring with the

2198
01:47:13,173 --> 01:47:15,452
Speaker 2: starlink at starlink once, as I was talking about before.

2199
01:47:15,452 --> 01:47:17,213
Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe that's how. That's the way you get

2200
01:47:17,213 --> 01:47:19,213
Speaker 2: around it. You have a you have a human name

2201
01:47:19,253 --> 01:47:21,932
Speaker 2: for your dog, like Colin, so you go, Colin's injured,

2202
01:47:22,372 --> 01:47:24,652
Speaker 2: Colin's not getting out, and then you haven't lied to.

2203
01:47:24,732 --> 01:47:27,653
Speaker 3: Them, so I need I need to call Pepper Sally instead.

2204
01:47:27,372 --> 01:47:29,173
Speaker 2: And when they when they turn up, they go. Is

2205
01:47:29,253 --> 01:47:32,333
Speaker 2: this column it's a dog? Yes? Anyway, it's interesting that

2206
01:47:32,412 --> 01:47:34,852
Speaker 2: your caller wouldn't carry his injured dog three hours out

2207
01:47:34,853 --> 01:47:36,893
Speaker 2: of the bush. There's this texture. What would have he

2208
01:47:37,053 --> 01:47:39,372
Speaker 2: done if he'd got a pig carried it out? Surely

2209
01:47:39,933 --> 01:47:43,173
Speaker 2: this guy's talking rubbish. Well yeah, I mean we don't know,

2210
01:47:43,572 --> 01:47:45,812
Speaker 2: we don't, We don't have enough information of that. Actually

2211
01:47:46,013 --> 01:47:48,372
Speaker 2: I could have asked. Have owned and worked with dogs

2212
01:47:48,372 --> 01:47:51,053
Speaker 2: all my life, and they are still not humans, so

2213
01:47:51,133 --> 01:47:54,972
Speaker 2: they get left behind no other option. Boy, it's funny

2214
01:47:55,013 --> 01:47:58,372
Speaker 2: how this has ended up and dead dog chat. It's

2215
01:47:58,412 --> 01:48:01,333
Speaker 2: not where I necessarily thought it would would would go

2216
01:48:01,452 --> 01:48:05,173
Speaker 2: today for me. Shane, you're a pig hunter from the Corimandel.

2217
01:48:05,853 --> 01:48:10,012
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Coyler. Yeah, they're going to search and rescue.

2218
01:48:10,013 --> 01:48:13,012
Speaker 8: I've been in search and rescue for all the ideas,

2219
01:48:14,213 --> 01:48:17,133
Speaker 8: and I'm not active these days, but I'm an active

2220
01:48:17,213 --> 01:48:20,372
Speaker 8: hunter still. I've been hunting for sixty years. I'm sixty five,

2221
01:48:21,333 --> 01:48:26,093
Speaker 8: and you're just listening to Anthony the previous caller. He's

2222
01:48:26,133 --> 01:48:30,213
Speaker 8: obviously not an experienced hunter at all. I mean, most dogs,

2223
01:48:31,213 --> 01:48:33,452
Speaker 8: you know, they don't all of a sudden turn into

2224
01:48:33,572 --> 01:48:35,893
Speaker 8: vicious dogs and they get out in the bush, the

2225
01:48:37,213 --> 01:48:40,812
Speaker 8: animals that we all love and breed ourselves, and they're

2226
01:48:40,853 --> 01:48:44,253
Speaker 8: part of the family. I've been around dogs all my life,

2227
01:48:44,372 --> 01:48:47,572
Speaker 8: ever since I was born, and we don't own vicious dogs.

2228
01:48:48,173 --> 01:48:52,893
Speaker 8: I wouldn't own one. I mean, we breed alone in

2229
01:48:53,013 --> 01:48:57,572
Speaker 8: their naturally easy dogs to handle. There are vicious dogs

2230
01:48:57,612 --> 01:49:00,412
Speaker 8: out there, but I wouldn't own one. And yeah, dogs

2231
01:49:00,532 --> 01:49:04,452
Speaker 8: do go and choppers. I've spent plenty of I've done

2232
01:49:04,492 --> 01:49:09,333
Speaker 8: plenty of searching and helicopters and name and I've pretty

2233
01:49:09,412 --> 01:49:13,852
Speaker 8: much done it. So I can recall a time that

2234
01:49:14,333 --> 01:49:18,012
Speaker 8: I had to rescue a couple of my dogs about

2235
01:49:18,053 --> 01:49:22,013
Speaker 8: twenty odd years ago. They were about to drop a

2236
01:49:22,133 --> 01:49:24,932
Speaker 8: teen eighty drop in this area. We lived just down

2237
01:49:25,013 --> 01:49:29,253
Speaker 8: the valley there. We'd we were hunting there the day

2238
01:49:29,372 --> 01:49:33,772
Speaker 8: a couple of days before the drop. Unfortunately, the dogs

2239
01:49:34,452 --> 01:49:37,372
Speaker 8: went up. It's a very rare thing that happens. That

2240
01:49:37,532 --> 01:49:40,612
Speaker 8: they chased this pagan had obviously chased it over a

2241
01:49:40,692 --> 01:49:43,652
Speaker 8: bluff and the dogs got caught down and there. So

2242
01:49:44,452 --> 01:49:47,013
Speaker 8: we actually had some tracking gear then, the old THO

2243
01:49:47,173 --> 01:49:51,253
Speaker 8: track stuff then which we knew where they were. So

2244
01:49:51,652 --> 01:49:55,652
Speaker 8: I went up there the next day. I didn't allow

2245
01:49:55,772 --> 01:50:00,173
Speaker 8: my teenage boys to come up because it's pretty Yeah,

2246
01:50:00,173 --> 01:50:02,532
Speaker 8: it was pretty bad country, and I had to sort

2247
01:50:02,532 --> 01:50:05,093
Speaker 8: of cut a track up to get up above.

2248
01:50:04,812 --> 01:50:05,173
Speaker 14: Them and.

2249
01:50:06,772 --> 01:50:08,772
Speaker 8: Come back down the same area because it's like two

2250
01:50:08,853 --> 01:50:12,572
Speaker 8: hundred put bluffs there. And I managed to get down

2251
01:50:12,893 --> 01:50:16,492
Speaker 8: to where the dogs were because I had the I

2252
01:50:16,692 --> 01:50:19,932
Speaker 8: was tracking them, got the ropes at the swing across

2253
01:50:20,213 --> 01:50:23,133
Speaker 8: the waterfall because they couldn't get across, they couldn't get up.

2254
01:50:23,173 --> 01:50:23,452
Speaker 7: Out of it.

2255
01:50:23,652 --> 01:50:24,093
Speaker 11: I got them.

2256
01:50:24,933 --> 01:50:26,973
Speaker 8: I got them both out of there and they are

2257
01:50:27,053 --> 01:50:27,492
Speaker 8: happy air.

2258
01:50:27,572 --> 01:50:28,492
Speaker 11: So I got out of there.

2259
01:50:29,013 --> 01:50:32,053
Speaker 8: But I'd hate to have thought a couple of days later,

2260
01:50:32,093 --> 01:50:35,133
Speaker 8: when they dropped the teen eighty people, I heard someone

2261
01:50:35,853 --> 01:50:39,293
Speaker 8: mention about shooting a dog. They put a dog down,

2262
01:50:39,532 --> 01:50:44,293
Speaker 8: and that's what some people have done, and that's instant.

2263
01:50:44,853 --> 01:50:49,012
Speaker 8: Whereas has anyone ever seen a dog die from teen

2264
01:50:49,093 --> 01:50:53,812
Speaker 8: eighty that's that's that's ruthless, that's bad.

2265
01:50:54,612 --> 01:50:59,412
Speaker 2: He so, Shane, So you've said that you've you've been

2266
01:50:59,652 --> 01:51:03,172
Speaker 2: in choppers and you've been doing you know, you've executed

2267
01:51:03,213 --> 01:51:06,012
Speaker 2: rescues and stuff. How do you what would you feel

2268
01:51:06,093 --> 01:51:08,293
Speaker 2: about the sort of the premise of this whole chair

2269
01:51:08,492 --> 01:51:12,532
Speaker 2: if someone has pressed their PLB not for themselves but

2270
01:51:12,692 --> 01:51:15,133
Speaker 2: for their dog, if you arrived at that, how would

2271
01:51:15,133 --> 01:51:16,253
Speaker 2: how would you feel about the situation?

2272
01:51:16,772 --> 01:51:17,333
Speaker 11: Well, I wouldn't.

2273
01:51:17,532 --> 01:51:21,412
Speaker 8: I would not get the chopper onto rescue a dog,

2274
01:51:21,973 --> 01:51:24,572
Speaker 8: you know, just to gain a bit of experience about

2275
01:51:25,093 --> 01:51:28,572
Speaker 8: they shot a dog that Anthony said, they shot the dog,

2276
01:51:28,973 --> 01:51:29,772
Speaker 8: put the dog down.

2277
01:51:30,133 --> 01:51:33,173
Speaker 2: Well, I'd never do that, no, no, no, But I'm

2278
01:51:33,173 --> 01:51:36,532
Speaker 2: telling you about I'm I'm describing a scenario. Say you

2279
01:51:36,812 --> 01:51:39,293
Speaker 2: you because you don't know, you know the PLB has

2280
01:51:39,293 --> 01:51:40,812
Speaker 2: been set off, You don't know the details of the

2281
01:51:40,893 --> 01:51:44,133
Speaker 2: rescue at that point, right, And so you arrive and

2282
01:51:44,253 --> 01:51:46,093
Speaker 2: you discovered that it's been set off not for a

2283
01:51:46,213 --> 01:51:49,892
Speaker 2: human but for a for a dog as a rescue

2284
01:51:50,133 --> 01:51:54,133
Speaker 2: a person that's deployed the resources and certain amount of

2285
01:51:54,173 --> 01:51:57,692
Speaker 2: risk for everyone involved, how would you feel towards the

2286
01:51:57,772 --> 01:51:58,692
Speaker 2: person that had set off that.

2287
01:51:59,933 --> 01:52:02,333
Speaker 8: I wouldn't be happy about it. I mean, as I said,

2288
01:52:02,372 --> 01:52:04,572
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to go back to being I've got

2289
01:52:04,612 --> 01:52:09,692
Speaker 8: both sides of the corner. And as a hunter, to

2290
01:52:09,812 --> 01:52:13,133
Speaker 8: be honest, because most hunters carrying pigs out, like someone

2291
01:52:13,253 --> 01:52:15,812
Speaker 8: just said, they carry aboody one hundred and fifty pounds

2292
01:52:15,853 --> 01:52:19,852
Speaker 8: bore out. Most dogs aren't that big, so they can

2293
01:52:19,973 --> 01:52:23,532
Speaker 8: carry them for hours yea. And then then the other

2294
01:52:23,652 --> 01:52:27,253
Speaker 8: thing is if you go in there to rescue someone,

2295
01:52:27,492 --> 01:52:29,692
Speaker 8: and I know it shouldn't be for a dog, it

2296
01:52:29,772 --> 01:52:33,333
Speaker 8: should be for a person. But if the dog gets

2297
01:52:33,492 --> 01:52:37,173
Speaker 8: left behind, the dog will track itself back to where

2298
01:52:37,253 --> 01:52:40,812
Speaker 8: it came from from back to the vehicle quite often,

2299
01:52:40,933 --> 01:52:45,253
Speaker 8: and they right. And these days, just about every single

2300
01:52:45,452 --> 01:52:48,213
Speaker 8: hunter who's got GPS, so we know exactly where our

2301
01:52:48,293 --> 01:52:52,412
Speaker 8: dogs are. That's interesting saying that because every dog who's

2302
01:52:52,412 --> 01:52:53,012
Speaker 8: got GPS.

2303
01:52:53,372 --> 01:52:55,133
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Thank you so much for your call, Shane.

2304
01:52:55,253 --> 01:52:56,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we can kind of put it to

2305
01:52:56,853 --> 01:52:59,612
Speaker 3: bed that if you just said off your PLB for

2306
01:52:59,812 --> 01:53:02,053
Speaker 3: your dog and you're perfectly fine. Yeah, clearly that is

2307
01:53:02,173 --> 01:53:04,852
Speaker 3: bad bad form. But the tricky part, the great part,

2308
01:53:04,973 --> 01:53:08,532
Speaker 3: is if you're injured and your dog is okay, you

2309
01:53:08,612 --> 01:53:10,173
Speaker 3: set it off and demand that they take the dog.

2310
01:53:10,293 --> 01:53:12,293
Speaker 2: That's the hard part, right, Yeah, we'll Shane saying it'll

2311
01:53:12,333 --> 01:53:15,133
Speaker 2: make its way home anyway. Yeah. So and that you

2312
01:53:15,253 --> 01:53:18,892
Speaker 2: have tracking on the dog. So yeah, it's a it's

2313
01:53:18,933 --> 01:53:19,732
Speaker 2: an interesting one.

2314
01:53:19,732 --> 01:53:22,372
Speaker 3: Certainly, is right. We'll take a few more calls very shortly.

2315
01:53:22,452 --> 01:53:23,812
Speaker 3: It is nine to four.

2316
01:53:25,013 --> 01:53:28,412
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2317
01:53:28,772 --> 01:53:29,692
Speaker 1: everything in between.

2318
01:53:30,053 --> 01:53:32,133
Speaker 4: Matt and Taylor Afternoons.

2319
01:53:31,652 --> 01:53:34,812
Speaker 1: With the Volvo XC ninety attention to detail and a

2320
01:53:34,853 --> 01:53:39,093
Speaker 1: commitment to comfort News Dogs EDB, News Dogs NB.

2321
01:53:39,652 --> 01:53:41,932
Speaker 3: It is six to four. Some great texts coming through

2322
01:53:42,133 --> 01:53:45,772
Speaker 3: nine to nine to two gents. A few years back,

2323
01:53:45,893 --> 01:53:49,372
Speaker 3: police training exercise just at the top, just lost at

2324
01:53:49,412 --> 01:53:53,372
Speaker 3: their met that's all right. Ten years back, police training

2325
01:53:53,412 --> 01:53:56,213
Speaker 3: exercise at well Indon Airport. Dog handler threw dog into

2326
01:53:56,253 --> 01:53:58,572
Speaker 3: the chopper. Dog thought pilot was an offender and bit

2327
01:53:58,652 --> 01:54:00,652
Speaker 3: the pilot. Chopper went up in the year it managed

2328
01:54:00,652 --> 01:54:03,692
Speaker 3: to land safely. Since then, c double A have required

2329
01:54:03,732 --> 01:54:06,053
Speaker 3: dogs in all choppers to be muzzled. Fair enough too.

2330
01:54:06,213 --> 01:54:09,213
Speaker 2: Well, it's a high action situation, certainly is by all

2331
01:54:09,293 --> 01:54:11,053
Speaker 2: means to take the dog. But send the owner a

2332
01:54:11,093 --> 01:54:14,452
Speaker 2: big fat bill, says John. Easy answer, leave the dog

2333
01:54:14,652 --> 01:54:17,173
Speaker 2: at home. They're not used for deer and goats. So

2334
01:54:17,333 --> 01:54:21,333
Speaker 2: why pigs pick? Hunting with dogs and knives is barbaric? Okay,

2335
01:54:21,372 --> 01:54:24,372
Speaker 2: well I'm in that's yeah. Okay, you're asking to people,

2336
01:54:24,812 --> 01:54:26,893
Speaker 2: telling people how to hunt. Why not get medics to

2337
01:54:26,933 --> 01:54:28,812
Speaker 2: sedate the dog before you put them in the thing?

2338
01:54:28,933 --> 01:54:29,692
Speaker 3: Potentially them I.

2339
01:54:29,853 --> 01:54:33,653
Speaker 2: It depends how ropy the situation is. In a Barry

2340
01:54:33,693 --> 01:54:37,253
Speaker 2: Crump book, he had to chloroform a group of dogs. Okay,

2341
01:54:37,373 --> 01:54:38,932
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, fair enough too.

2342
01:54:39,053 --> 01:54:41,453
Speaker 3: Right now, we have had a statement sent to us

2343
01:54:41,533 --> 01:54:45,213
Speaker 3: by the Rescue Coordination Center and it says we understand

2344
01:54:45,253 --> 01:54:47,852
Speaker 3: people's dogs are important to them and sometimes they may

2345
01:54:47,893 --> 01:54:50,253
Speaker 3: accompany their owners if they are going into the outdoors.

2346
01:54:50,293 --> 01:54:53,053
Speaker 3: Activating a Personal Locate Beacon should be limited to when

2347
01:54:53,173 --> 01:54:56,373
Speaker 3: someone is in distress and they need urgent assistance. Whenever

2348
01:54:56,413 --> 01:55:02,493
Speaker 3: a PLB is activated, the Rescue Coordination Center send specialists, rescuers, helicopters,

2349
01:55:02,573 --> 01:55:05,893
Speaker 3: expert volunteers. These are a valuable and limited resource. And

2350
01:55:06,093 --> 01:55:08,733
Speaker 3: while we understand dogs are important to their owners, it

2351
01:55:08,933 --> 01:55:12,613
Speaker 3: is equally important that rescue resources are available to respond

2352
01:55:12,653 --> 01:55:16,013
Speaker 3: to people whose lives may be at risk. Rescue operations

2353
01:55:16,053 --> 01:55:19,573
Speaker 3: and remote locations and difficult to rain put responders at risk,

2354
01:55:19,853 --> 01:55:22,133
Speaker 3: which we manage very carefully in the interest of saving

2355
01:55:22,173 --> 01:55:25,173
Speaker 3: people's lives. It said that. It goes on to say,

2356
01:55:25,173 --> 01:55:29,053
Speaker 3: in some instances, when possible, whilst undertaking the rescue of

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Speaker 3: people who have got injuries or in distress, animals have

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Speaker 3: been recovered. This is done on a case by case basis.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, there you go. This person George says, I

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Speaker 2: got chopped off a house roof with my dog one

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Speaker 2: time in a flood, so that's nice.

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Speaker 15: Here go.

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Speaker 9: There you go.

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Speaker 3: And to bring it full circle quickly, Oh sorry, one more.

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Speaker 2: Guys, don't underestimate your Jack Russell. Mine was a rescue

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Speaker 2: city dog. Being a country lad, I wanted him to hunt.

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Speaker 2: So third time out dog is a pro. Already he

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Speaker 2: grabs a forty pound pig and won't let go. So

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Speaker 2: there you go. I've underestimated my dog.

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Speaker 3: Con Yeah, very good. It really enjoyed that chat. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for today. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've got usd the Xpert with animal behaviorist

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Speaker 2: Mark Vitti.

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