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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at be Canada.

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Speaker 2: Will never be part of the United States. That was

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Speaker 2: the defining line of Mark Carney's first speeches Canada's new

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Speaker 2: Prime minister overnight. It was said not in jest, not

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Speaker 2: as a joke. It was said as a statement of

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Speaker 2: firm defiance, a serious response to Donald Trump's fifty first

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Speaker 2: state taunts. Look, we don't usually talk too much about

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Speaker 2: geopolitics on Saturday mornings. Usually we try and make this

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Speaker 2: a relatively geopolitic free zone. But I just cannot think

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Speaker 2: of a time in my life where so much in

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Speaker 2: the world was changing so quickly, you know, where like

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Speaker 2: so much that we took for granted was being tipped

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Speaker 2: on its head. And well, look, I bet that Mark

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Speaker 2: Kearney can't either. Mark Carney be honest. Two months ago,

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Speaker 2: did you have any idea who Mark Carney was? Just

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Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, his party was twenty five points

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Speaker 2: behind Canada's Conservatives in the polls. Mark Carney wasn't even

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Speaker 2: a politician, and now he's Canada's Prime minister. There it is,

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Speaker 2: I suppose that is the power of Donald Trump. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of interesting how differently Mexico and Canada have approached

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Speaker 2: the Trump presidency in the threat of tariffs. So Mexico

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Speaker 2: was kind of used to Donald Trump's hostility from his

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Speaker 2: first term as president, and its government has taken softly, softly, gently,

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Speaker 2: gently diplomatic approach, delaying retaliation, hoping that negotiations will spare

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Speaker 2: them the worst of the economic pressure from their northern neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Mexico has actually been surprisingly quiet, I reckon over the

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Speaker 2: last couple of months. Canada, though, well, when it had

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Speaker 2: opted for a much more combative response from its big

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Speaker 2: retaliatory tariffs to the ice hockey fans booing the US

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Speaker 2: national anthem, and the nationwide coordinated campaign not to buy

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Speaker 2: American made stuff. I've got a couple of mates in Canada.

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Speaker 2: I was speaking to one yesterday and she said, it's

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Speaker 2: amazing the extent to which everyone feels united. Like going

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Speaker 2: to the supermarket, there are signs that say this is

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Speaker 2: made in Canada, this is made in the US. Everyone's

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Speaker 2: going for the Canadian made product. The irony of Mark

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Speaker 2: Carney's rapid rise to Canadian Prime Minister is that his

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Speaker 2: party's support has come at the expense of a political

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Speaker 2: opposition in Canada that was arguably much more closely aligned

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Speaker 2: to the Republicans and to Donald Trump. It's just so ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: So Canada's opposition leader has effectively been forced to put

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Speaker 2: out social media videos now insisting Donald Trump hates me too. Fundamentally,

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Speaker 2: no country is going to outmuscle the US in an

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Speaker 2: economic fight. Maybe China, I suppose, But most countries are

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Speaker 2: not going to be able to outmuscle the US in

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Speaker 2: an economic fight. Not Canada, not Mexico, not Australia, and

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Speaker 2: certainly not New Zealand. And I just reckon that what's

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Speaker 2: kind of lacking at the moment is a more forceful,

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Speaker 2: coordinated international response. So most countries are sucking up to

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Speaker 2: Trump and trying to keep their heads down, hoping not

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Speaker 2: to attract Donald Trump's ire. But as Canada is bashed

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Speaker 2: by tariffs, it seems absurd, for example, that their King,

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Speaker 2: our King could possibly go ahead in welcoming Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: to the UK for an official state visit. What countries

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Speaker 2: are standing up for Canada. Winston Peters is in Washington,

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Speaker 2: DC this week, and from New Zealand's perspective, I reckon

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Speaker 2: there is probably no better person for the job at

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Speaker 2: this moment and in those meetings in Washington, DC. For now,

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Speaker 2: we will no doubt continue to try and maintain a

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Speaker 2: low profile. You just have to hope that behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: like minded countries are quietly coordinating on a longer term

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Speaker 2: strategy Australia, Canada, the UK, EU countries and yes, New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: because playing a small target game only makes sense until,

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you do catch the President's attention, and

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Speaker 2: it could be something so minor right. It could be

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Speaker 2: a dumb tweet or a viral video, someone making a

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Speaker 2: speech at an awards evening, or an ill advised comment

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Speaker 2: from a diplomat. The temptation for leaders around the world

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Speaker 2: is to shut up and just hope that their countries

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Speaker 2: can slip by unnoticed. But in the long term, that's

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Speaker 2: no way to defeat a bully.

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