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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: Isaac Junk is one of New Zealand's most promising young

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Speaker 2: target shooters, just seventeen years old, but has already broken

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Speaker 2: many national under twenty one records and has now been

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Speaker 2: selected to represent New Zealand at the International Shooting Sport

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Speaker 2: Federation Junior World Championships in Germany in June, competing across

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Speaker 2: three rifle disciplines. He has a side set not just

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Speaker 2: on this year's World champs but on a long term

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Speaker 2: goal of making the Olympic Games in Brisbane in twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty two. But like many athletes in minority sports, getting

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Speaker 2: to the start line is as much about funding as

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Speaker 2: it is about performance. Isaac Junk is with us. Isaac,

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Speaker 2: congratulations on everything you've achieved and your selection in the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand team to go to the World Champs. What

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Speaker 2: first attracted you to target shooting and what has kept

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Speaker 2: you so committed to it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cure, Jason, thank you very much for having me

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Speaker 3: So I first started shooting.

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Speaker 4: My opera introduced me to it.

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Speaker 3: He was quite an avid hunter, you know, he had

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Speaker 3: quite a quite a deep love for guns as well.

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Speaker 4: That came from his childhood.

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Speaker 3: So, you know, I was kind of exposed to guns

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Speaker 3: a young age. At about eleven, I did a bit

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Speaker 3: of googling. I was bored one day and came across

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Speaker 3: a local range, you know, not too far from our house,

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Speaker 3: and they it said there that they had club days

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Speaker 3: on Wednesdays. So, you know, that Wednesday, we went down

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Speaker 3: to the range and you know, it was the furthest

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Speaker 3: thing from what I was used to and what I expected.

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Speaker 3: I walked in and there was you know, big long,

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Speaker 3: expensive looking guns and everyone was wearing crazy suits. And

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Speaker 3: that was kind of like one of my first ex

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Speaker 3: ex you know, exposures to sports shooting. And before that

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Speaker 3: point I didn't know that, you know, shooting could also

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Speaker 4: So I shot that day and I absolutely fell in

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Speaker 3: I fell in love with it from there, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I honestly think I was just too stubborn to give

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Speaker 2: It's a very good quality to have, a very good quality.

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Speaker 2: So when did it start occurring to you that actually

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Speaker 2: it wasn't just something that you enjoyed, but something you

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Speaker 2: were actually quite good at.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I was actually pretty terrible at it for

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Speaker 4: the first kind of year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was probably the worst in the

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Speaker 3: club by far, I would stretch to the worst in

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Speaker 3: the association.

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Speaker 4: But I honestly just loved doing it. You know, it

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Speaker 4: was quite cool to me.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing was awesome, and you know, I kept

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Speaker 3: you know, I was already so deep in. I was

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Speaker 2: Well, you've obviously become very very good at it. Selected

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Speaker 2: for the Junior World Champs in Germany. What does something

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Speaker 2: like this, this selection mean to you.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's huge, absolutely huge. You know.

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Speaker 3: After I found out that shooting was a sport, I

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Speaker 3: quickly went home and stop on YouTube everything I could

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Speaker 3: about shooting. And the first thing I watched, the first

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Speaker 3: much older Genie World Champs, so one from a few

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Speaker 3: years ago, and I just thought It was so cool

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Speaker 3: to see, you know, people my age out there actually

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Speaker 4: I wished I could shoot at that level.

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Speaker 3: So to have read that letter in my inbox, in

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Speaker 3: my email telling you that I've been selected to go

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Speaker 3: there was a huge full circle moment for me, you know,

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Speaker 3: looking up to those junior shooters shooting amazing schools, so

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Speaker 2: So you're in the fifteen meter prone rifle, the fifteen

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Speaker 2: meter three position rifle, and the ten meter air rifle.

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Speaker 2: Can you just explain the three for us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, So I'll start with fifteen miter prone.

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Speaker 3: So in fifteen meter prone, you have a target fifteen

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Speaker 3: And you are lying flat on a mat and you

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Speaker 4: Your sling is connected to your rifle.

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Speaker 3: And you loop your hand around the sling right forward

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Speaker 3: you're fully self supported shooting fifty meter prone in the

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Speaker 3: something we call whole scores, which is a ten and

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Speaker 4: So that makes it such a that's what.

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Speaker 3: You know, adds that precision element into that sport is

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Speaker 3: one millimeter extra of accuracy over a hall match is

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Speaker 3: equal to six points, and you know matches are one

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Speaker 3: by half points, so it's you know, it's really in there.

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Speaker 2: Incredible. So the fifteen meter three position rifle, presumably the

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Speaker 2: shooting distance is the same. What's the difference with the

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Speaker 2: three position rifle discipline.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's the same gun and it's the same distance,

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Speaker 3: but now you add two other positions. So you still

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Speaker 3: which is quite similar to prone. You still use a sling, however,

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Speaker 3: now you've got pants and you're you're sitting on a

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Speaker 3: you you know sling whatsoever. Everything has to be perfectly

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Speaker 2: Hundred, gotcha, and the team meter air rifle just shooting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's exactly that.

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Speaker 3: So you're standing again in that standing position with your

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Speaker 3: half a millimeter wide, so it's the equivalent of hitting

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Speaker 3: the tip of a pushpin sixty out of sixty times.

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Speaker 2: Wow, incredible. Do you have a favorite of the three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to be honest, it rotates quite a lot. You know,

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Speaker 3: one training block, I might train air rifle quite a

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Speaker 3: the last few months, I've been I've been really enjoying

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Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's always a pleasure to be

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Speaker 2: The margins you've outlined for us there, Isaac, I mean

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Speaker 2: they're so small, aren't they so tiny? And as you're saying,

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Speaker 2: with competitions you know, decided by half points, how do

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Speaker 2: you how do you handle that mental pressure when you

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Speaker 2: know results can come down to such tiny margins.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's definitely still a learning process, Like

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Speaker 3: I don't think any athlete will ever fully understand how

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Speaker 4: You're always learning in that part.

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Speaker 3: I did quite a lot, quite a lot of learning,

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Speaker 3: especially towards the beginning of my career when I was younger,

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Speaker 3: I could not handle school pressure at all. You know,

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Speaker 3: I tried everything and music and meditation and box breathing,

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Speaker 3: to completely ignore it. You know, I've put the hours

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Speaker 3: You know, the day before do the work I need

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Speaker 3: you know, giving it any thoughts and just you know,

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Speaker 2: How much time do you typically spend training in a

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Speaker 2: normal week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I do two sessions on the gun a day,

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Speaker 3: six days a week. I do five runs a week

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Speaker 4: And I do quite a lot of mental training.

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Speaker 3: As well, so a lot of visualization of you know,

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Speaker 3: So you know a lot of training in the week.

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Speaker 2: Have you thought about what you'd like to achieve at

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Speaker 2: the upcoming World Champs. What a good result for you

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think every athlete should judge the performance they have

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Speaker 3: I think it's good to set a set benchmarks, but

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Speaker 3: I had, you know, everything I could have while I

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Speaker 3: you know on the mound in Germany as well.

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Speaker 2: Do you have to have quite a strong mentality around

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Speaker 2: you know, in competition as well? For example, your first

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Speaker 2: few shots don't go the way that you would have liked. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: How mentally strong do you have to be to put

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Speaker 4: Oh? Hugely?

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Speaker 3: Mentally strong, hugely because you know there's no escaping the score.

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Speaker 3: you can quite easily see and it can be tough.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it does feel like your work's going down the

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Speaker 3: drain a bit. But I think it's really important to

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Speaker 2: And I guess the other part of this is, as

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Speaker 2: I said at the top, you know, people probably don't

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Speaker 2: as I understand it, close to twenty thousand dollars to

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely massive.

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Speaker 3: And I have an email as well, a sports email

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Speaker 3: that can contact So that's junk Isaac at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 2: It's been a real pleasure chatting to you, Isaac. All

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Speaker 2: the best with what lies ahead. Congratulations on what you've

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Jason.

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Speaker 2: That was amazing, No, it was amazing chatting to you Isaac.

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Speaker 2: Thanks indeed, Isaac Shunk one of our top young target shooters.

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