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Speaker 1: The government didn't have enough on its hand with the

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Speaker 1: economic plight that we're currently grinding our way through. Then

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of stuff fell over or fell apart

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Speaker 1: in the last week, pylons to planes, to ferries. Interestingly,

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Speaker 1: the government ran for the hills a bit over this one.

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Speaker 1: Transport Minister sime and Brand didn't want to talk, State

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Speaker 1: owned enterprises Minister Paul Goldsmith didn't want to talk. Minister

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Speaker 1: of Finance Nicola Willison didn't want to talk. Fortunately, Associate

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Speaker 1: Finance Minister David Seymour does and he's with us. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: good Anyway, this ferry business over the weekend, did you

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Speaker 1: have a sinking feeling by the time the power pylon

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Speaker 1: fell over and the plane didn't take off and the

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Speaker 1: ferry hit the wall, that there's something a bit wrong

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Speaker 1: with this country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It feels like we're a nation and decline and

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Speaker 2: the question is are we going to tweak it or

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Speaker 2: are we going to change it. I've long taken the

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Speaker 2: view that if we keep doing what we've done, then

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Speaker 2: we're going to get the same results. And instead of saying, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we'll have a different person in charge of

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Speaker 2: Kiwi Rail, we'll have maybe some different theories purchased by

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Speaker 2: Kiwi Rail. The real question is one private business can

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Speaker 2: run successfully for twenty years and no tax payer money

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Speaker 2: and a government business constantly requires bailouts. And maybe that's

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Speaker 2: telling us something about our future.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the chairman's already gone to the whole board

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Speaker 1: need to go? Does the whole thing need to be

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Speaker 1: refreshed and or does the ferry service need to be

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Speaker 1: run by someone completely different?

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Speaker 2: Well, you can keep changing the debt chairs, but unfortunately

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Speaker 2: you've got to ask the question should private enterprise that's

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Speaker 2: been successful be either contracted the service or just take

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Speaker 2: it over completely instead of trying to make something that

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Speaker 2: can never work work against all odds.

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Speaker 1: So if you go private, do you have support within

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Speaker 1: the government to get that across the line or is

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Speaker 1: that going to be political?

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Speaker 2: Well, our government's a coalition, but I mean act as

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Speaker 2: the campaigned on real change and my viewers that we

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Speaker 2: should be that confront quite how bad things are, how

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Speaker 2: whether it's the pile on the plane or the ship

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Speaker 2: and saying look, actually we need to go back to

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Speaker 2: first principles and ask is this something that the government

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Speaker 2: should do? And in some of those three answers that

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Speaker 2: the answer cases the answer will still be yes, and

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Speaker 2: others say, actually, maybe the government doesn't need to be

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Speaker 2: doing this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, so your plane obviously it's an air force plane.

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Speaker 1: You need a military I get that, and there's money

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Speaker 1: needed for something like that. I'm assuming that's what's happened.

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Speaker 1: This has become so embarrassing that you guys are actually

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Speaker 1: going to act and spend some money and solve some problems.

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Speaker 1: Is that fair or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's fair to speculate that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there hasn't been any discussion about the plane since the

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Speaker 2: latest breakup, But I just make the point that seventy

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Speaker 2: million every two years to maintain it. We actually uncovered

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Speaker 2: that in opposition. I don't know what it costs lease one,

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Speaker 2: as most airlines around the world do, but that's got

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Speaker 2: to be an option, or maybe, given it's an air force,

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Speaker 2: they could own one, and that's got to be cheaper

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Speaker 2: than fixing up the current ones before you allow for

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Speaker 2: the difference in performance, which it is becoming nationally embarrassed,

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Speaker 2: internationally embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we've got you farm make its farming

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Speaker 1: coming today.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's going to be discussion today and that may

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Speaker 2: well lead to an announcement. Obviously, you know, I've got

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Speaker 2: to be respectful of my cabinet colleagues and not get

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Speaker 2: ahead of them, which I've tried to do throughout this discussion.

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Speaker 2: But what I think is important is that we bring

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Speaker 2: it back to the patients, make sure that we preserve

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Speaker 2: the independence of the farm make model, and ensure we

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Speaker 2: keep confidence in the political system so that if a

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Speaker 2: party makes a promise, especially such a critical promise as this,

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Speaker 2: then the government's able to deliver on The national parties

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Speaker 2: made that promise of the government is working hard to

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Speaker 2: deliver on within some of the constraints we face.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. David Seymore, Associatement of for fun Age. For

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