1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Very Soaper is here our senior political correspondent. Very good afternoon, 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Ryan here, We were chatting realizing the time 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: was sticking on. Well I did you didn't know? 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 2: That's true. 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: The formal request has been made to have Destiny Church's 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: tax free charity status removed. Now, who's doing this. 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's not the first time it's been done. But 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: the man that we all know, Phil Dwyford. Wasn't he 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: known for key we build it? 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Honestly, it's Phil Twyford's still there. 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it's incredible, isn't it really popping up from time 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: to time in Parliament? 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: You look at you look at the footage of Parliament 14 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: you think is this old footage? 15 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Yes, well he's the tATu MP of course. And it 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: was in the library there that Destiny Church were disgraceful. 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: They behaved so badly and kids were intimidated. And you know, 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: even the status of Destiny in terms of the patches 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: that they wear on their backs now is being questioned. 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: They're saying should they be designated as again because they 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: ride motorbikes on mass they have these big patches on 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: their back and you know there might be an application 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: to get them on that list as well, but certainly 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: a formal application has now been lodged with the Charities Commission. 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: I think it's called to have their tax free status 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: as a charity removed now that that would be a 27 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: major move because there is dare I say, good work 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: that is being done by the Destiny Church in terms 29 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: of rehabilitating people, and they have done quite a lot 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: of good work. But it's the case, isn't it with 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: many charities that you look at the You look at 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: them and you go why should they be getting tax 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: free money? 34 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: So I know it's a hard one. Certainly fell's having 35 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: a go having crack the Chinese warships. Now I look 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: at those Chinese warships and I think, yeah, this is 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: what this is what navies do? 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: You know? 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: They drive their boats around or sail their boats around, 40 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: and we did it to them. And remember last year 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: and September we sailed through the Taiwan straight alongside Australia, 42 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: which threatening. We're not very threatening, but it's for them 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: it's a very sensitive area. So you know, are they 44 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: just it's just tip for tatic. 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: Well it's I guess it's the the nature of the 46 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: three boats that are actually sailing in this part of 47 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: the world. It's one of them is a fairly new 48 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: warship and it's capable of so much. It's really I 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: guess the Chinese showing their force. And when you look 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: at all the talk about Orcus, I think that's probably 51 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 2: got a lot to do with it. But you'd think 52 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: the Chinese would know if they are seen to be threatening, 53 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: then it would force us maybe to look more kindly. 54 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: You would think at ucust which is seen by some 55 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: circles as being anti Chinese, so surely that wouldn't be 56 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: the reason. But you'd think it's like gunboat diplomas of 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: the old days that you'd think that maybe it's a 58 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: bit like Mark Brown and the Cocan ands let your 59 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: partners know. Maybe you'd think the Chinese should have informed 60 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: both Australia and New Zealand that they were sending this 61 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: flotilla down this way. They're off the coast of Sydney 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: at the moment and there's nothing to say they won't 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: come down to this part of the world. Due to Collins, 64 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: the Defense Minister. She says there's nothing by law stopping them, 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: within the law to do it, but they've never sent 66 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: any boats of the seriousness of these boats to this 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: part of the world before, and I guess that's what 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: is upsetting both Australia and certain in New Zealand. Winston 69 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: Peters is going to be in China next week talking 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: to his counterpart Foreign Minister in China, so maybe he'll 71 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: raise it and bang his fist on the table. 72 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: Someone said yesterday were they trying to find the cooks? 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: What prospect of fifteen thousand people in the Cork Island? 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: The David Seymour. So this is Jenny Shipley on the 75 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: Treaty Principal's bill and the process of submitting. She calls 76 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: David Seymour a used car salesman. 77 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: Yes, very unkind, I thought. But look Jenny was being 78 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: her imperior's self and it was interesting watching her before 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: that Select Committee because she had no notes. She just 80 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: spoke off the cuff and actually gave quite a good speech, 81 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: but totally opposed the bill and saying that, you know, 82 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: the treaty is something that we should be treasury. She 83 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: said basically, you know, she had a disdain for this 84 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: sort of legislation to even come before the House. But 85 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: in terms of the used car salesman. Here's the context 86 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: of the comments made by Jenny Shipley. 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: I think that the promise of the treaty was profound 88 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: and it doesn't need some secondhand car salesman to try 89 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: and divert us into some notion that, frankly is not 90 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: worthy of the promise of the treaty. And I don't 91 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: say that reference in person to the promoter, but rather 92 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: how I view trivializing the importance of the intensity of 93 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: this relationship. This bill, to me, pushes us back and 94 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: uses abstract language like universal humanity. Be careful of the 95 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: mischief of people who use these phrases, because usually it 96 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: excludes culture and diversity. 97 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like Davis Ebo has come back with quite 98 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: a good point being called a used car salesman. He said, look, 99 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: a lot of us buy use cars, and a lot 100 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: of us drive use cars. So is she insulting the 101 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: used car fraternity by saying what I mean? I think 102 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: he took it on the light that it maybe should 103 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: have been taken it. 104 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: She sounded a bit posh, and she's always been very embarrassed. 105 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: You know where she was born. She was born in 106 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: the nursing home and Gore we both shared the nursing home. 107 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: Jenny and I we were in the next personet to 108 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: each other. Believe that the same time, same year, same 109 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: within days of each other, our mothers shared the nursing home. 110 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: I should have been the prime minister. She should have 111 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: been the political. 112 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: Commentary because can you imagine her commentating on politics? Profound? 113 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: That's what comes out of Gore. Ryan. 114 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: We wouldn't stomach that. Thank you for it. 115 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: Cheers for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live 116 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or 117 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.