1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Now the Prime Minister is copying it for not being 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: across as brief. So this morning it was on with 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Mike Costing. Mike asked him about the decision to give 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: the boot camp staff the right to use force outside 5 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: of the boot camps. This was his answer, It's not 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: something I've been briefed on. It's not something that I'm 7 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: aware of. It's not something that I would should be 8 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: involved in. Those closest to it should make those calls. Yeah, 9 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: except it was something he was involved in a because 10 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: it was a decision that was taken by Cabinet which 11 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: he's the chair of. Now Willow Jene Prime is Labour 12 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: spokesperson for Children with US. Now, hello, Willow Jeane killed 13 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: that what do you may give him apparently not remembering 14 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: the decision that he's actually helped to make. 15 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: It's deeply concerning that the Prime Minister is not across 16 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: the details of one of the key National Party election policies, 17 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: which is boot camps and the serious Young Offender category. 18 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: And it's deeply concerning because this is about children, and 19 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 2: the fact that he is not across the details on 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: policy decisions that they are making as a real concern 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: now as. 22 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: To the actual substance here. Do you have a problem 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: with them extending the permission to use force, which already 24 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: exists inside the camps to outside the camps. 25 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that is a concern that many have. Because those 26 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: not many, I want. 27 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: To know what you think. Do you have that concern? 28 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: So, I, along with the Children's Commissioner and other MPs 29 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: that have spoken today for tipkins, we all have concerns 30 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: about the extension of these powers to thood party providers 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 2: in boot camps. If government has this problem because they 32 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: have created boot camps that legislation doesn't currently provide for this. 33 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: In order for them to be able to deliver their 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: program that they want to, they are having to look 35 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: at the extension outside of our centers of detention and 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: giving powers to people who are not don't currently have 37 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: those powers to be able to use force on children. 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but so what's the problem? I mean these well, 39 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: a gene, these are not cool kids. They're not good kids, right, 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: They're not kids with good manners and good behavior. They 41 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: are problematic kids. And if they want to go and 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: have a nor hall at the Marii, then the MARII 43 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: staff have to be able to restrain them. If they 44 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: try to smack other kids around. 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: Right. The issue here, Heather, is that there are currently 46 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: no safeguards in place, There are no protection mechanisms, there 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 2: are no details around the faith guarding of this. The 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: boot camps are already an experiment. 49 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: We have no, no, Jean, I don't stop stop making it. 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: Stop making us bigger than it is. Talk to me 51 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: about this. Do you seriously think that one of these 52 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: kids who is like liable for ten years in jail 53 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: should be able to go and stay the night of 54 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: the Marii and those staff there have no ability to 55 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: use force and restrain them if they start bashing the staff. 56 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: The issue that we have here, Heather, is that the 57 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 2: government has absolutely no details in their cabinet paper about 58 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: the safeguards that need to be put in place, who 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: ensure the very real risk of abuse happening, the abuse 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 2: of this power happening, that they have not see this power. 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: You tell me how you see this power being abused? 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: How is this power going to be abused? 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: So as we have evidence from the Royal Commission, this. 64 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Is not the nineteen seventies Willow Jeane. We're talking about now, 65 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about really naughty kids, talking about very very 66 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: bad kids going to stay somewhere as a privilege, and 67 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: how is this going to be abused against them? The 68 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: ability to restrain them, how is it going to be abused? 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: So the Royal Commission will tell you that these were 70 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: very naughty kids who needed to be obtained in the 71 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: past and who were abused in those facilities. What they 72 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: have recommended and found in that report and recommended is 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: that there needs to be appropriate safeguards put in place 74 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: to ensure that abuse cannot happen in these settings. And 75 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: what we are saying is from the cabinet paper that 76 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: has been leaked, there are absolutely no details around the 77 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: safeguarding provisions. The Children's Commissioner has consumed there are no 78 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: details that she has not been consulted, that children's rights 79 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: are not being considered in the development of this policy 80 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: and I share those concerns. 81 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: All right, Hey, thank you for articulating that. Appreciated as 82 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: Willow Gene, Prime Labor spokesperson for Children. For more from 83 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to news talks that'd 84 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.