1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,027 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zb. 3 00:00:13,507 --> 00:00:13,587 Speaker 2: But. 4 00:00:13,667 --> 00:00:16,547 Speaker 3: To kick off this our thirty five of New Zealand's 5 00:00:16,547 --> 00:00:19,547 Speaker 3: biggest sports codes, representing around six and a half thousand 6 00:00:19,547 --> 00:00:23,387 Speaker 3: sports clubs and more than one point six seven million 7 00:00:23,507 --> 00:00:28,347 Speaker 3: participants across the country, have united to oppose proposed new 8 00:00:28,467 --> 00:00:32,187 Speaker 3: gambling legislation that they say could threaten the very future 9 00:00:32,387 --> 00:00:35,827 Speaker 3: of grassroots sport. The government is considering a bill to 10 00:00:35,987 --> 00:00:40,667 Speaker 3: regulate online casinos and license up to fifteen of those 11 00:00:40,827 --> 00:00:44,707 Speaker 3: to operate here in New Zealand. But unlike other licensed 12 00:00:44,747 --> 00:00:48,947 Speaker 3: gambling such as Latto the tab Pokey machines, they don't 13 00:00:48,987 --> 00:00:53,427 Speaker 3: plan to make those online casino operators give anything back 14 00:00:53,987 --> 00:00:56,987 Speaker 3: to local communities. On top of that, there are affairs 15 00:00:57,067 --> 00:01:01,667 Speaker 3: that once online casinos are legal and marketed, they'll eat 16 00:01:01,827 --> 00:01:05,427 Speaker 3: into the market share of pokeys without replacing the one 17 00:01:05,507 --> 00:01:08,187 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy men million dollars a revenue that goes 18 00:01:08,227 --> 00:01:12,387 Speaker 3: back to sport from those machines every year. One of 19 00:01:12,427 --> 00:01:17,227 Speaker 3: our foremost sporting administrators and former international cricketer Martin Snedden, 20 00:01:17,467 --> 00:01:20,347 Speaker 3: is leading the call for re examination of the bill 21 00:01:20,867 --> 00:01:23,467 Speaker 3: and he joins us now, Martin, thanks for your time. 22 00:01:24,027 --> 00:01:27,147 Speaker 3: Ever since gambling has been legal in New Zealand, all 23 00:01:27,187 --> 00:01:30,507 Speaker 3: political parties have honored the principle that a share of 24 00:01:30,547 --> 00:01:34,467 Speaker 3: gambling revenues must go to communities, including community sport. In fact, 25 00:01:34,787 --> 00:01:38,587 Speaker 3: the Gambling Act of two thousand and three enshrines that principle. 26 00:01:38,907 --> 00:01:41,067 Speaker 3: Pokey trusts have to give forty percent of their annual 27 00:01:41,067 --> 00:01:45,147 Speaker 3: revenues to communities. Lotto and the tab have similar obligations. 28 00:01:45,787 --> 00:01:50,467 Speaker 3: How has this obligation been missed in the original drafting 29 00:01:50,907 --> 00:01:54,187 Speaker 3: of the online Casino Gambling Bill? 30 00:01:54,347 --> 00:01:58,387 Speaker 2: Half nn Jason, I think your introduction a lot of 31 00:01:59,507 --> 00:02:02,307 Speaker 2: the points that I would make, but I don't understand 32 00:02:02,307 --> 00:02:06,187 Speaker 2: how they've missed it other than I think what's happened 33 00:02:06,547 --> 00:02:12,227 Speaker 2: that the Department of Internal Affairs, in preparing analysis to 34 00:02:13,067 --> 00:02:16,387 Speaker 2: provide to their minister. The Minister of Internal Affairs, Brook 35 00:02:16,427 --> 00:02:22,227 Speaker 2: van Falden, has failed to place significant emphasis or a 36 00:02:22,267 --> 00:02:24,627 Speaker 2: spotlight on this in order to make sure that she 37 00:02:24,987 --> 00:02:28,627 Speaker 2: and then as a consequence a cabinet has been properly 38 00:02:28,627 --> 00:02:33,067 Speaker 2: informed about the risk to community funding, including sport funding. 39 00:02:33,107 --> 00:02:36,947 Speaker 2: And we should always remember that in what the pokies 40 00:02:37,027 --> 00:02:39,987 Speaker 2: do is that sport gets a lot of funding, as 41 00:02:39,987 --> 00:02:42,027 Speaker 2: you said, one hundred and seventy odd million a year 42 00:02:42,067 --> 00:02:45,147 Speaker 2: at the moment, but the same amount goes to non 43 00:02:45,227 --> 00:02:50,627 Speaker 2: sporting communities who are operating at the front line, who 44 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:54,027 Speaker 2: are struggling in many cases to hang on there and 45 00:02:54,107 --> 00:02:57,907 Speaker 2: provide those services. So it's a huge omission, and it 46 00:02:57,947 --> 00:03:01,187 Speaker 2: is I guess I would describe it as a breach 47 00:03:02,227 --> 00:03:04,147 Speaker 2: if it went through as it is at the moment, 48 00:03:04,227 --> 00:03:09,027 Speaker 2: it's a breach of a social contract that successive governments 49 00:03:09,027 --> 00:03:11,787 Speaker 2: have had with New Zealanders over the last fifty years, 50 00:03:11,827 --> 00:03:18,947 Speaker 2: where consistently over that time the conversation about legalization of 51 00:03:19,027 --> 00:03:23,187 Speaker 2: gambling has been coupled with a tradeoff, or a few 52 00:03:23,187 --> 00:03:27,947 Speaker 2: trade offs, but in particular one that has seen proceeds 53 00:03:27,987 --> 00:03:32,547 Speaker 2: from gambling being allotted to community including sport. And now, 54 00:03:32,667 --> 00:03:35,667 Speaker 2: for the first time that I'm know of, they're moving 55 00:03:35,667 --> 00:03:38,827 Speaker 2: away from this, and they're doing it without having any 56 00:03:38,867 --> 00:03:42,467 Speaker 2: real consultation prior to the bill being tabled with the 57 00:03:43,027 --> 00:03:49,027 Speaker 2: impacted communities, and that's not great. So once we found 58 00:03:49,067 --> 00:03:51,027 Speaker 2: out about this, and it was really by accident that 59 00:03:51,067 --> 00:03:53,947 Speaker 2: I stumbled across this a few weeks ago, we've really 60 00:03:53,987 --> 00:03:56,507 Speaker 2: had no choice but to start to make public noise 61 00:03:57,027 --> 00:04:00,187 Speaker 2: in order to help the Minister sit up and take 62 00:04:00,267 --> 00:04:02,467 Speaker 2: notice and realize the full extent of the rest that 63 00:04:02,907 --> 00:04:05,747 Speaker 2: this bill was posing to community funding, including sport. 64 00:04:06,627 --> 00:04:09,107 Speaker 3: Is this an oversight, Martin or why wouldn't they have 65 00:04:09,107 --> 00:04:11,547 Speaker 3: put it in there? It's not deliberate surely that they 66 00:04:11,587 --> 00:04:15,627 Speaker 3: wouldn't deny community sport and as you've mentioned, you know, 67 00:04:15,707 --> 00:04:19,427 Speaker 3: whider community organizations and arts, culture, etc. They wouldn't deny 68 00:04:19,587 --> 00:04:24,427 Speaker 3: them the ability to benefit from gambling as is enshrined 69 00:04:24,427 --> 00:04:26,547 Speaker 3: as I say, under the Gambling Act. Is this just 70 00:04:26,587 --> 00:04:27,147 Speaker 3: an oversight? 71 00:04:28,307 --> 00:04:31,347 Speaker 2: Well, I've read the paper sitting in behind the bill 72 00:04:31,867 --> 00:04:35,507 Speaker 2: and it wasn't an oversight insofar as it went to 73 00:04:36,307 --> 00:04:39,547 Speaker 2: Department of Internal Affairs through to the Minister of Internal Affairs. 74 00:04:40,067 --> 00:04:43,467 Speaker 2: And I think that there was a very brief, pretty 75 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:48,067 Speaker 2: bland reference in it to paper that went to Cabinet. 76 00:04:48,107 --> 00:04:50,827 Speaker 2: But I don't think Cabinet was given the benefit of 77 00:04:50,867 --> 00:04:54,227 Speaker 2: some proper analysis as to the real risk here, and 78 00:04:55,627 --> 00:04:59,307 Speaker 2: that is an oversight. I think what the rationale behind this, Jason, 79 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:03,427 Speaker 2: is that government quite rightly are trying to regulate an 80 00:05:03,547 --> 00:05:09,427 Speaker 2: unregulated area with internettional online casino operators. I'm told that 81 00:05:09,547 --> 00:05:13,907 Speaker 2: over the last five years they've built up a market 82 00:05:13,947 --> 00:05:17,147 Speaker 2: here worth about six hundred million New Zealand a year. 83 00:05:17,547 --> 00:05:20,267 Speaker 2: Now quite right, the government saying, well, we want to 84 00:05:20,267 --> 00:05:23,427 Speaker 2: get some regulation around that, and so they've set up 85 00:05:24,107 --> 00:05:28,307 Speaker 2: a framework to regulate which has tried to entice international 86 00:05:28,307 --> 00:05:33,587 Speaker 2: operators to take licenses to operate on a New Zealand platform. 87 00:05:34,907 --> 00:05:38,707 Speaker 2: And I guess they've tried to make the offer attractive 88 00:05:38,827 --> 00:05:42,667 Speaker 2: because whilst the government itself will take a twelve percent 89 00:05:42,747 --> 00:05:46,387 Speaker 2: gaming tax plus GST and a little bit for problem gambling, 90 00:05:47,507 --> 00:05:50,027 Speaker 2: I think possibly some of the thinking was that if 91 00:05:50,067 --> 00:05:54,587 Speaker 2: they then, on top of that required the international operators 92 00:05:54,627 --> 00:05:58,707 Speaker 2: to provide what the class for pokies have to do, 93 00:05:58,827 --> 00:06:03,267 Speaker 2: which is additional monies into that could be set aside 94 00:06:03,307 --> 00:06:07,307 Speaker 2: for community in sport, and that what might their offers 95 00:06:08,067 --> 00:06:10,547 Speaker 2: offer less attractive. Now I'm looking at it and thinking, well, 96 00:06:10,547 --> 00:06:14,267 Speaker 2: hold on, we've got international operators who are not based 97 00:06:14,307 --> 00:06:17,387 Speaker 2: in New Zealand, will not base themselves in New Zealand. 98 00:06:17,427 --> 00:06:21,427 Speaker 2: Once they get a license, will simply enable online platforms 99 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:25,427 Speaker 2: to be accessed by New Zealanders apart from what they 100 00:06:25,467 --> 00:06:27,787 Speaker 2: have to pay to the government for tech gaming tax 101 00:06:27,867 --> 00:06:31,187 Speaker 2: and GST. They're going to drag all the profits off sure, 102 00:06:31,907 --> 00:06:37,467 Speaker 2: and over time community is going to suffer because over 103 00:06:37,547 --> 00:06:42,587 Speaker 2: time this is just going to gradually eat into the 104 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:46,027 Speaker 2: moneies that can be derived by the pokies, and as 105 00:06:46,067 --> 00:06:48,387 Speaker 2: a direct result of that, the money that then flows 106 00:06:48,387 --> 00:06:49,907 Speaker 2: onto community, including sport. 107 00:06:54,187 --> 00:06:58,507 Speaker 3: I can't understand how this has happened. Why would the 108 00:06:58,547 --> 00:07:02,347 Speaker 3: government not want it to be exactly the same as 109 00:07:02,347 --> 00:07:05,627 Speaker 3: the pokies, exactly the same as lotter, exactly the same 110 00:07:05,627 --> 00:07:08,547 Speaker 3: as the tap Well are they worried? I mean it's 111 00:07:08,947 --> 00:07:13,427 Speaker 3: of an online casino operator doesn't want to contribute to 112 00:07:13,587 --> 00:07:16,827 Speaker 3: the country that it's operating within as a you know, 113 00:07:16,907 --> 00:07:18,907 Speaker 3: as a as a give back if you like them tough, 114 00:07:18,947 --> 00:07:21,667 Speaker 3: they don't get to operate here. What's the government? Why 115 00:07:21,707 --> 00:07:24,547 Speaker 3: wouldn't the government just just say here are the rules. 116 00:07:25,307 --> 00:07:28,387 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you. I think that's what should happen. 117 00:07:28,387 --> 00:07:31,947 Speaker 2: And if they say, well that's not economically viable for 118 00:07:32,027 --> 00:07:34,867 Speaker 2: us to do it, then fine, go and operate elsewhere. 119 00:07:36,667 --> 00:07:41,507 Speaker 2: I don't set up a situation which runs a real 120 00:07:41,627 --> 00:07:48,907 Speaker 2: risk of really hurting community, really hurting sports organizations. They're 121 00:07:48,907 --> 00:07:51,867 Speaker 2: missing an opportunity here. Now I should caveat this by 122 00:07:51,907 --> 00:07:55,107 Speaker 2: saying we're only at the first reading of the bill. 123 00:07:55,147 --> 00:07:58,587 Speaker 2: There's now a public process that's going through. Hopefully a 124 00:07:58,587 --> 00:08:02,667 Speaker 2: lot of organizations and individuals that are now aware of 125 00:08:02,667 --> 00:08:04,667 Speaker 2: it because of the noise we've made over the last 126 00:08:04,707 --> 00:08:08,187 Speaker 2: few days, will take the opportunity of putting public submissions 127 00:08:08,227 --> 00:08:09,547 Speaker 2: and they have to do it in the coming week 128 00:08:09,587 --> 00:08:13,147 Speaker 2: because those finish on the seventeenth of August, and hopefully 129 00:08:13,267 --> 00:08:16,347 Speaker 2: once those submissions are and there's a consistent message there 130 00:08:16,827 --> 00:08:19,747 Speaker 2: which sends a signal to the Minister of Internal Affairs 131 00:08:19,747 --> 00:08:21,467 Speaker 2: that she has to take notice of this, that she 132 00:08:21,587 --> 00:08:27,347 Speaker 2: has to rethink this and honor the social contract that 133 00:08:27,627 --> 00:08:31,347 Speaker 2: successive governments have had with New Zealanders for fifty years. 134 00:08:31,347 --> 00:08:33,827 Speaker 2: And as you said, the Gambling Act is loud and 135 00:08:33,867 --> 00:08:36,787 Speaker 2: clear about this, and that should be a principle that 136 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:42,787 Speaker 2: continues through this legislation. So I'm hoping that as a 137 00:08:42,827 --> 00:08:50,147 Speaker 2: result of the noise there will be greater realization within government. 138 00:08:51,027 --> 00:08:54,667 Speaker 2: I try to imagine, you know, guys like Art Mature, 139 00:08:54,707 --> 00:08:58,107 Speaker 2: the ministers for Chris Bishop, the Associate Minister, the Prime 140 00:08:58,107 --> 00:09:01,307 Speaker 2: Minister himself, Chris Luxem They love sport, They do not 141 00:09:01,667 --> 00:09:06,267 Speaker 2: want surely to allow legislation to go through the risks 142 00:09:06,547 --> 00:09:12,307 Speaker 2: this happening, So now's there opportunity because as I said, 143 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:14,787 Speaker 2: I actually don't think they were aware of before the 144 00:09:14,867 --> 00:09:19,027 Speaker 2: last week, and I think now that the awareness of 145 00:09:19,067 --> 00:09:21,787 Speaker 2: it will be much greater and the realization of the 146 00:09:21,867 --> 00:09:23,987 Speaker 2: risk will be much greater. So hopefully what we'll see 147 00:09:24,067 --> 00:09:28,587 Speaker 2: is good praises followed and then adjustments made to reflect 148 00:09:28,587 --> 00:09:33,667 Speaker 2: this that ultimately will result in protection for community funding 149 00:09:33,707 --> 00:09:37,907 Speaker 2: being inserted into this legislation once it becomes final. 150 00:09:38,547 --> 00:09:40,907 Speaker 3: You said hopeful, Martin, do you feel optimistic that that 151 00:09:40,987 --> 00:09:43,027 Speaker 3: will be the case once all the facts are made 152 00:09:43,027 --> 00:09:45,387 Speaker 3: known to people who maybe weren't aware of them up 153 00:09:45,427 --> 00:09:45,987 Speaker 3: until now. 154 00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:48,667 Speaker 2: I can't get a read on this at the moment 155 00:09:48,747 --> 00:09:54,587 Speaker 2: because I haven't had or haven't started conversations with the 156 00:09:54,667 --> 00:09:57,867 Speaker 2: key decision makers and influences within government. I've now got 157 00:09:57,867 --> 00:10:01,027 Speaker 2: a meeting with the Minister of Internal Affairs that'll come 158 00:10:01,107 --> 00:10:03,227 Speaker 2: up in about a week and a half, so that'll 159 00:10:03,227 --> 00:10:06,027 Speaker 2: be a start to the conversation. But I think there's 160 00:10:06,067 --> 00:10:08,187 Speaker 2: a whole lot of ministers that will be sitting up 161 00:10:08,227 --> 00:10:11,747 Speaker 2: and thinking about this at the moment, and Mark Mitchell 162 00:10:11,747 --> 00:10:14,947 Speaker 2: and Chris Bishop will be too because of their portfolio 163 00:10:15,027 --> 00:10:21,027 Speaker 2: responsibilities with sport. Another probably will be Louis Upston, who's 164 00:10:21,667 --> 00:10:25,307 Speaker 2: Minister for Disabilities. Now you know it's not just sport 165 00:10:25,347 --> 00:10:27,547 Speaker 2: here as I've said it, it's actually a whole range 166 00:10:27,587 --> 00:10:34,187 Speaker 2: of organizations, including organizations that look after people with disabilities, 167 00:10:34,267 --> 00:10:38,907 Speaker 2: and this funding from class for pokies is essential to 168 00:10:38,987 --> 00:10:44,227 Speaker 2: their future financial sustainability. So they can't afford this to 169 00:10:44,267 --> 00:10:47,987 Speaker 2: be to be pulled apart by this type of legislation, 170 00:10:48,227 --> 00:10:51,547 Speaker 2: which you know, on the face of it, it just 171 00:10:51,627 --> 00:10:55,867 Speaker 2: provides no real benefits to New Zealanders. Why set up 172 00:10:55,867 --> 00:10:59,947 Speaker 2: a framework that enables international operators not to even base 173 00:10:59,987 --> 00:11:02,827 Speaker 2: themselves in New Zealand but actually use New Zealanders to 174 00:11:02,867 --> 00:11:07,147 Speaker 2: grow profits for themselves and have a well on effect 175 00:11:07,187 --> 00:11:11,547 Speaker 2: which ultimately will hurt organizations that are based in New 176 00:11:11,667 --> 00:11:13,947 Speaker 2: Zealand and are looking after people who need help. 177 00:11:14,427 --> 00:11:18,947 Speaker 3: Bang on, bang on. So you're obviously advancing meetings and 178 00:11:19,267 --> 00:11:22,187 Speaker 3: good to know that that Brook van Velden has agreed 179 00:11:22,187 --> 00:11:23,667 Speaker 3: to meet with you, and hopefully some of the others 180 00:11:23,707 --> 00:11:27,467 Speaker 3: you've mentioned will also be involved in conversations. What about 181 00:11:27,987 --> 00:11:30,587 Speaker 3: you know, your every day member of a sports club, Martin, 182 00:11:30,987 --> 00:11:33,427 Speaker 3: our listeners. Is there anything they can do? 183 00:11:34,307 --> 00:11:36,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, they can, you know, if they care about this, 184 00:11:36,787 --> 00:11:42,707 Speaker 2: and they they can find the link on I guess 185 00:11:42,747 --> 00:11:45,707 Speaker 2: it's the Internal Department of Internal Affairs. I guess if 186 00:11:45,707 --> 00:11:49,587 Speaker 2: they google online to see our gambling bill submissions, then 187 00:11:49,587 --> 00:11:51,747 Speaker 2: that'll take them straight to a link. And it's a 188 00:11:51,787 --> 00:11:55,267 Speaker 2: really simple thing to file a submission. You don't need 189 00:11:55,307 --> 00:11:59,307 Speaker 2: to get complicated about this. If someone feels passionate about this, 190 00:11:59,667 --> 00:12:04,427 Speaker 2: just get online, fell In, and a few sentences just 191 00:12:04,667 --> 00:12:07,027 Speaker 2: I care about this. This shouldn't be out to happen. 192 00:12:07,827 --> 00:12:12,227 Speaker 2: Protect community funding going forward. And if they do that, 193 00:12:12,707 --> 00:12:14,467 Speaker 2: and they're just going to add into the noise that 194 00:12:15,067 --> 00:12:17,307 Speaker 2: hopefully them will be enough that government sit up and 195 00:12:17,347 --> 00:12:19,907 Speaker 2: take notice and do something about it. 196 00:12:20,627 --> 00:12:23,107 Speaker 3: I'm glad you stumbled on this by accident, Martin. 197 00:12:24,547 --> 00:12:27,347 Speaker 2: Yes I might. I mean I'm staggered that it wasn't 198 00:12:27,427 --> 00:12:33,027 Speaker 2: really something of major discussion in the public domain, simply 199 00:12:33,067 --> 00:12:36,347 Speaker 2: because it is such a departure from what has happened 200 00:12:36,387 --> 00:12:40,427 Speaker 2: in the past, and philosophically, you know, it's a major 201 00:12:40,427 --> 00:12:46,627 Speaker 2: departure because everyone knows that gambling does cause problems for 202 00:12:47,027 --> 00:12:50,507 Speaker 2: a number of people, and you know, it's a bit 203 00:12:50,627 --> 00:12:54,627 Speaker 2: like smoking. You wouldn't you wouldn't let it happen. But 204 00:12:54,747 --> 00:12:57,667 Speaker 2: in this instance, over the years, there's been discussion and 205 00:12:58,187 --> 00:13:00,467 Speaker 2: it's been agreed that one of the trade offs is 206 00:13:00,507 --> 00:13:05,027 Speaker 2: that at least the proceeds from gambling are put into 207 00:13:05,067 --> 00:13:10,587 Speaker 2: good causes, including community in sport. So that's a principle 208 00:13:10,627 --> 00:13:13,987 Speaker 2: that should be continued, and that's what happens. And if 209 00:13:13,987 --> 00:13:19,507 Speaker 2: there is a sensible mechanism put in place in our 210 00:13:19,547 --> 00:13:25,267 Speaker 2: percentage of the gambling profits is set aside for that purpose, 211 00:13:25,307 --> 00:13:27,547 Speaker 2: If the right mechanisms are found for getting it to 212 00:13:28,507 --> 00:13:31,507 Speaker 2: the front line of community, including community sport, then that's 213 00:13:31,547 --> 00:13:34,507 Speaker 2: a great end result and we will have achieved what 214 00:13:34,507 --> 00:13:37,587 Speaker 2: we set out to achieve. If it doesn't happen, if 215 00:13:37,627 --> 00:13:40,147 Speaker 2: the bill goes through in its current form and this 216 00:13:40,427 --> 00:13:46,107 Speaker 2: omission is not rectified, then the damage to this will 217 00:13:47,467 --> 00:13:51,147 Speaker 2: gradually become a weird year after year, and it might 218 00:13:51,187 --> 00:13:56,067 Speaker 2: take a while for it to fully be seen and realized. 219 00:13:57,467 --> 00:14:02,947 Speaker 2: But it's an avoidable mistake, and people now know this 220 00:14:03,147 --> 00:14:05,707 Speaker 2: is on records saying you don't have to do this, 221 00:14:06,027 --> 00:14:10,227 Speaker 2: you can get it right now, So take the opportunity, 222 00:14:10,267 --> 00:14:13,747 Speaker 2: please and do that. Rather than have it proved to 223 00:14:13,787 --> 00:14:18,747 Speaker 2: you and then try and passic around and fix a 224 00:14:18,827 --> 00:14:21,867 Speaker 2: mistake that was absolutely avoidable in the first instance. 225 00:14:22,587 --> 00:14:24,827 Speaker 3: Good Man Martin, good to have you leading the fight. 226 00:14:24,947 --> 00:14:27,387 Speaker 3: Appreciate you updating us. So we'll look forward to seeing 227 00:14:27,627 --> 00:14:29,827 Speaker 3: what happens in the next little while as you as 228 00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:32,307 Speaker 3: you meet with some of the some of the decision makers, 229 00:14:32,467 --> 00:14:33,267 Speaker 3: We'll stay in touch. 230 00:14:34,587 --> 00:14:35,227 Speaker 2: Thanks Jason. 231 00:14:36,147 --> 00:14:39,307 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 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