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Speaker 2: Hello you great, you said, listen aldome to, Welcome to,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to, Welcome well well well well well, well well well,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. Welcome to Manton Tyler Ful Show Podcast number

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Speaker 2: one eighty one for the twelfth of August twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Really really good chat today about how short term videos

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Speaker 2: are raising our brains and it was really interesting to

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Speaker 2: have some candid chats with some young people who feel

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Speaker 2: like they are getting dumber and dumber and the struggle

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Speaker 2: is real to deal with TikTok and Instagram reels and

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Speaker 2: YouTube shorts in terms of what it's doing to their

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Speaker 2: ability to focus and their ability to enjoy life outside

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Speaker 2: of the dopamine hit of those platforms. So that was

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Speaker 2: a great chat.

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Speaker 3: That was deep, and some good chat about security guards,

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Speaker 3: handcuffs and tasers and even robots within our hospitals. So

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Speaker 3: that was fascinating, and then finishing off with some cruise

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Speaker 3: Talk said, be very very good Afternoons you welcome, and too,

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Speaker 3: Today Show Tuesday. Now, I'm laughing and giggling and a

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Speaker 3: little bit hesitating because we've been shifted into a new

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Speaker 2: Well, the studio that we've been shifted into, which is

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Speaker 3: That's nice the hydraulics, but I can't.

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Speaker 2: Get it low enough for the chair, so I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of like being a airline pilot with

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Speaker 2: it's not our fault. It's not our fault.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're professionals.

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Speaker 2: If we fly into a mountain, then that's not our fault.

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Speaker 3: Right on to today's show, I'll try and raise it

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Speaker 3: up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: The title.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll figure it out to the old hydraulics I

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Speaker 2: It's still working, now, does it not work when the

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Speaker 3: Right on to today's show. After three o'clock. So Mickey

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Speaker 3: Mouse and Cinderella, the are packing their bags and leaving

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. Disney Cruise Line confirms it is not going

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Speaker 3: to be sailing in these waters this season, next season,

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Speaker 3: or even this season after that. So Cruise Association Chief

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Speaker 3: Executive Jackie Lloyd told Mike this morning that the fees

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Speaker 3: imposed on ships plays a mass of role.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so should we just wave those fees because if

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Speaker 2: we need them to come to our tourist destinations and

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Speaker 2: our big cities wherever they want to land, because they

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Speaker 2: bring in money and they're not coming because the fees

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Speaker 2: are too high, we wave the fees and invite them

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Speaker 2: in and then rinse the Cruise Line passengers and make

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Speaker 3: You know, we do it.

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Speaker 2: We do it for events, don't we do. We want

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Speaker 2: an event here that we think we can make money

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Speaker 2: from where we pave the way for that event to

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Speaker 2: come here. You know, I'm thinking of it. Sale GP,

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Speaker 2: grease the wheels. So just just go out to Disney

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Speaker 2: and the other cruise liners. You know, we want you here,

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Speaker 2: so we're waving the fees come on in.

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Speaker 3: That is after three o'clock. After two o'clock. Your research

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Speaker 3: chairs revealed some pretty alarming facts about brain, brain development,

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Speaker 3: attention spans. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So in neuroscience, the study is warning that over consumption

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Speaker 2: That's pretty disturbing. So this is why deep work, long conversations,

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Speaker 2: is really interesting. So are you getting dumber, Tyler?

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Speaker 3: Yes, no doubt about it. I know it. I'll pull

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't spend any time on the tektok or

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Speaker 2: So if you're finding that your attention span is being

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Speaker 2: trying to do something about it? And another question around this,

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Speaker 2: so if it is worse than moderate alcohol use, would

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Speaker 3: Who am I to argue with science? I mean, clearly,

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Speaker 3: according to scientists, there's exactly what you should do.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, that is half to two clock. There's

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Speaker 3: going to be an interesting chat. But right now, let's

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Speaker 3: So they want more powers to deal with what they

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Speaker 3: as we know, often fueled by drugs and booze reguards

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Speaker 2: but you're injuring everyone else that's trying to get into

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Speaker 2: them in the right point. Yeah, So surely, surely the

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Speaker 2: Just should they have pepper spray as well? Yeah? But

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Speaker 2: are you worried that they will overuse the situation? You're

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Speaker 2: But if we're not going to do that, then surely

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Speaker 3: It should be a safe place for everybody in a

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Speaker 3: the jews of life now, Andrew, can you just get

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Speaker 3: Coming up next while we figure out getting me out

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Speaker 3: from under the steek. Gary Morrison here is the head

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Speaker 3: of these Security Guards Association Association. We've got a lot

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Speaker 3: of good questions for Gary. If you've got a question

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Speaker 3: for Gary. Nine two nine two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: But he is coming up next. That is twelve past one.

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Speaker 2: I'm going up, Tyler, all right doing it?

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Speaker 3: Oh that feels good.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoon to you. It is a

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Speaker 3: quarter past one. Do we need to give more powers

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: But on the line right now is Gary Morrison. He's

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Speaker 3: the CEO of the New Zealand Security Association. Gary. Good

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Speaker 3: afternoon to you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Hi, Madon Taylor Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, well we got met here as well. Just be

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Speaker 3: Mike's in our new studio.

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Speaker 2: In a new studio, so bear with us. But thanks

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Speaker 2: Hey, how much worse is the violence and dangerous behavior

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Speaker 2: getting and why do you think it's getting worse?

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Speaker 7: Well, it's really happened since I think since COVID days,

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Speaker 7: both verbal and physical. We don't have any stats on

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Speaker 2: And is that related to meth and phetamine use?

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Speaker 7: Certainly that's part of it, and I heard you you're

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Speaker 7: both talking earlier on its drugs. It's alcohol. It's a

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Speaker 7: It's not just one single factor. It is certainly compounding.

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Speaker 2: What increased powers do you want would you like for

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Speaker 7: What we are looking for is the power where we

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Speaker 2: So we talking about a hospital prison here, a brig

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Speaker 7: Ideally there should be an area where you can safely

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Speaker 7: But if there is a need to actually step in

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Speaker 2: So right now, if there's a disturbance and you know

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Speaker 7: Often it's a wait time, and we're all aware that

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Speaker 2: So in the perfect world, would it be that there

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Speaker 7: I think you have to come back in that situation,

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Speaker 2: How does it work overseas? Are overseas security guards and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mentioned in the United States, it wouldn't

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Speaker 2: So if someone's got a knife, though, what force do

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Speaker 2: So the the people you're coughing would not be the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there must be situations where there's someone that

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Speaker 7: They have to make a judgement call on what's safest

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Speaker 3: Gary, thank you very much for having a chat with us.

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Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense. But we're going to open

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks mate. That is Gary Morrison, head of the

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Speaker 3: Security Association. So can you get your views? Oh, eight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, handcuffs and a brig.

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Speaker 2: Gary Morrison, CEO of New Zealand Security, says no to

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: It's a good news around tourism can be found in Queenstown.

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Speaker 11: Danny Luke is the chief operating officer at Skyline. If

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Speaker 6: It is here.

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Speaker 12: We're seeing real groce down here at the moment, a

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Speaker 11: What's your vibe in terms of it's too busy, it's

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Speaker 12: We don't think that. What do we think there is

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Speaker 3: News Talks B twenty eight pass one. Should hospital security

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Speaker 2: Do you like the sound of a hospital brig That's

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Speaker 2: what's being asked for. Hey, hi, Matt and Tyler. We

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Speaker 2: to use pepper spray amongst already ill patients. That's from Jim. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I admit now my plan for giving security pepper spray

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Speaker 3: No, it sounded good on paper, but yeah, when you

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Speaker 2: Jill, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 13: Oh yes, hello boys. Earlier this year, I went through

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Speaker 2: With now, Jill, So you said that the nurse was

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Speaker 13: Say? Would but I'm sure they would have been wrong.

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Speaker 6: Would you?

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Speaker 2: Would you think it? Would you feel safer in that

441
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Speaker 2: same situation if you knew that the hospital security had

442
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Speaker 2: the powers to cuff and detain?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Yes, because I felt sorry they couldn't do anything. Yeah,

445
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Speaker 13: And the fact is they did patrol. They were continuously

446
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Speaker 13: walking through a and E are good them that? But

447
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Speaker 13: something somehow surely they could handcuff people or do something.

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Speaker 2: Until finally, how are you? What was you? What your

449
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Speaker 2: ailment problem? Yes?

450
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Speaker 13: I didn't do my blood pressure any good. But I

451
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Speaker 13: survived to tell the story.

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Speaker 3: Oh good shipping our jail, so that's good news.

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Speaker 13: I am thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. O. One hundred and eighteen eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call. Plenty of he's coming through

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Speaker 3: nine two nine two as well, but headlines with Jody

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Speaker 3: coming up and will take more of your calls. It

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Speaker 3: is two.

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Speaker 15: US talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

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Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. The US and China

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Speaker 15: are pausing hiking tariffs on each other for another ninety days.

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Speaker 15: The US has been threatening to ramp up levies on

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Speaker 15: Chinese goods to sixty four percent from thirty It's unclear

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Speaker 15: what China's reciprocal rate would be. Health en Z's accepted

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Speaker 15: a damning review of Canterbury's inpatient mental health service Helmorton

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Speaker 15: Hospital and its recommendations. It raises problems with staff shortages,

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Speaker 15: morale and governance. A person's been seriously injured in a

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Speaker 15: crash between a car and a motorbike on State Highway

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Speaker 15: two near Waikato's Maramurua, and a person's died in Auckland

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Speaker 15: after a vehicle had a barrier on State Highway One

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Speaker 15: this morning near the on ramp at Tangi. Meat processor

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Speaker 15: made a two hundred and fifteen million dollar offer to

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Speaker 15: buy a sixty five percent steak. Meanwhile, Spark selling seventy

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Speaker 15: five percent of its data center business to Australian owned

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Speaker 15: back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jerdi. We are talking about hospital

480
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Speaker 3: security guards. Should they be given handcuffs more powers to

481
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Speaker 3: detain violent people?

482
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Speaker 2: Next says hey guys. Sister in law was very senior

483
00:23:39,973 --> 00:23:45,053
Speaker 2: at Waikator ed for ED for about twenty years, said

484
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Speaker 2: the levels of violence and intimidation have gone up drastically.

485
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Speaker 2: The gangs are a real issue, thinking they can order

486
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Speaker 2: and abuse whoever they want. I think handcuffs for security

487
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Speaker 2: are a must. Chain the offends to a post somewhere

488
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Speaker 2: for a few hours while cops are called. Any emergency

489
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Speaker 2: button to police rather than a call would be good

490
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Speaker 2: in the worst places, tasers have to be considered. If

491
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Speaker 2: those two things don't work. Yeah, a lot of people

492
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Speaker 2: are pushing for the for the tasers, but the security

493
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Speaker 2: people aren't pushing for the tasers. This Texas is give

494
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Speaker 2: them tranquilizer guns that did work.

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Speaker 16: Well.

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Speaker 2: I don't think tranquilizer guns are a real thing. I

497
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Speaker 2: think they're just in movies.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's not like old school where you shoot them and

500
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Speaker 3: he goes down within ten minutes and falls into the poll.

501
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Speaker 2: Well ten minutes isn't Maybe in ten minutes, but the

502
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Speaker 2: instant tranquilizer gun, I don't think is a real thing. Sure,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show. Thanks for calling your thoughts.

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Speaker 8: Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon. Thank you for thanking my call.

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Speaker 8: I strongly support the enhancement of security cards, are powers,

506
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Speaker 8: the building of detention facilities. I appreciate the mainstream money,

507
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Speaker 8: which chances to be left leaning, don't do that sort

508
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Speaker 8: of thing, but I don't like it. But I've witnessed

509
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Speaker 8: at firsthand. I'm an engineered by a trade. I've worked

510
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Speaker 8: with Dhb's previously prior to the amalgamation, and now with

511
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Speaker 8: hospitals where companies engineers come in and we've got construction

512
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Speaker 8: people enhancing facilities. One thing I want to disabuse the

513
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Speaker 8: lists all yourselves of that this little thing happens only

514
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Speaker 8: at night. I be on site during a day and

515
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Speaker 8: scene everyone from junior gang members to family members loaded

516
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Speaker 8: to the max on drugs and alcohol at eight o'clock

517
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Speaker 8: in the morning. It doesn't happen at night. It happens

518
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Speaker 8: during the day. And these people are not I respect

519
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Speaker 8: what Gary didn't need to keep it down the middle

520
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Speaker 8: because he gets cramped from every left for organization. But

521
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Speaker 8: these people are not injured. They haven't got bandages. They

522
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Speaker 8: are under slings and they are part of the hangers

523
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Speaker 8: on or the come later. There are gang members on

524
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Speaker 8: site with patches even though there's signs saying they can't

525
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Speaker 8: be there, and nurses. I'm riders into politically, but I

526
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Speaker 8: do believe they deserve danger pay for anything else. A

527
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Speaker 8: stab vest a mixed military in a previous life. A

528
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Speaker 8: stabbast only does so much. You get a long enough

529
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Speaker 8: knife with the must enough kinetic force, you can go

530
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Speaker 8: through a stab proof best. Our company headquarters were in

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Speaker 8: Sydney and Rose near the Olympic Stadium. I've been over

532
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Speaker 8: there quite a few times stacks and forwards. I've seen

533
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Speaker 8: security guards with tasers, some with firearms and maules. That

534
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Speaker 8: is now moving to hospitals and they are big, burly

535
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Speaker 8: guys and they don't and they do deescalate. They know

536
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Speaker 8: how you don't use a track rise again because if

537
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Speaker 8: ever it ever existed, because you don't put chemicals and

538
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Speaker 8: do someone's system. They don't know what medication they're on,

539
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Speaker 8: but they put them on plastic handcuffs. So with a

540
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Speaker 8: bit of gift they calm them down and the peace

541
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Speaker 8: come there. The average on hospital is fifty thousand square

542
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Speaker 8: in there. You could have twenty five follets there and

543
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Speaker 8: they might never see each other. And also you can

544
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Speaker 8: think about response times. When they call, you can take

545
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Speaker 8: fifty to twenty minutes to get there. So I know

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Speaker 8: you guys that I know that there's a bit of

547
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Speaker 8: pushback on that. But these all security guards, some of

548
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Speaker 8: them small dudes, are some of the bigger. In my gym,

549
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Speaker 8: I've got a few private guys in security. You can

550
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Speaker 8: work out with me, and they say they get assaulted

551
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Speaker 8: every time, that they always get targeted for drugs. They

552
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Speaker 8: can insult the part staff, but yeah, in.

553
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Speaker 9: The real world.

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Speaker 8: This has gone beyond do they need it? They do

555
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Speaker 8: need a break at attention seen which is handed so

556
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Speaker 8: if someone's drunk, they can't bash their head. But overseas

557
00:27:12,933 --> 00:27:16,013
Speaker 8: they do have stronger force or stronger laws. Other than

558
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Speaker 8: the north Shore. I don't see this sort of stuff,

559
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Speaker 8: but I respect what you guys are saying. But you

560
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Speaker 8: are to come down and open your eyes and see

561
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Speaker 8: what happens during the day in the hospital, and I

562
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Speaker 8: think they would elevate your thinking.

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Speaker 2: We were what were we saying that you respect?

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Speaker 8: Well, well, like I said, there was a few things.

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Speaker 8: They are only at night. But he said do you

566
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Speaker 8: really need it? Do you really need it? I think

567
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Speaker 8: we're beyond the argument do we really need it?

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Speaker 2: Oh right, we were just asking questions of Gary.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that from your perspective.

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Speaker 2: What would you what would a bag look like in

571
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Speaker 2: the hospital? You say that you've been around.

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Speaker 8: There, I'd say, I'd say it is. I'd say are

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Speaker 8: secure rooms between say three and fourced meters. They are

574
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Speaker 8: padded so that someone knocks if they try to push

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Speaker 8: their head against something. There's no there's everything. There's a

576
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Speaker 8: chair or a bed. If they have to be laying down.

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Speaker 8: It's all it's dina bole to the force. They can't

578
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Speaker 8: lift it up. There's also sound proofs that they're screening.

579
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Speaker 8: Doesn't go. You've got a soundproof door, fire through door,

580
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Speaker 8: and they can see them and they're going to be

581
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Speaker 8: mountored all the time, every sign looked in until the

582
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Speaker 8: police arrive and then take them garret is what. There

583
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Speaker 8: is a way to securely bring someone down without hurting them,

584
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Speaker 8: and you have to do it correctly. You put them

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Speaker 8: in a secure environment and so they can't hurt themselves,

586
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Speaker 8: the same way our police cells are designed.

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Speaker 2: So I guess that begs the question, how does a

588
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Speaker 2: security guard cuff a person with a knife and get

589
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Speaker 2: them into the brig If someone's causing enough problems that

590
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Speaker 2: they need to be cuffed and put it a breg,

591
00:28:41,013 --> 00:28:43,973
Speaker 2: you'd have to be You'd have to be pretty heavily

592
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Speaker 2: trained in hand to hand combat to execute that way.

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Speaker 8: Actually in basic CQB, which is a military term which

594
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Speaker 8: is designed for close caught a battle. That's my two

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Speaker 8: day course. As the gentleman said before, you're looking at

596
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Speaker 8: several weeks at A lot of security arex military and

597
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Speaker 8: they're big bully guys. And I've got some level of

598
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Speaker 8: training two of them. The idea is to this arm

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Speaker 8: the offender, put them in a safe list and go

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Speaker 8: from there. It has to be a level of a

601
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Speaker 8: certain level of training, and unfortunate guards haven't got there.

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Speaker 8: But gang members, I've seen them on. I've seen them

603
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Speaker 8: on an engineer, on construction sites coming on. I've seen

604
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Speaker 8: family members. They are off their face at eight o'clock

605
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Speaker 8: in the morning, drugs, drink and everything. And believe me,

606
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Speaker 8: it's not a nice thing at a and it's all

607
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Speaker 8: all over all over the hospitals.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but then you say gang members, so you know

609
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Speaker 2: you might have to be you might have to be

610
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Speaker 2: dealing with two, three four people.

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Speaker 8: At once, exactly exactly. And I think these guys need

612
00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:41,373
Speaker 8: to be paid more. They need to do recruitment and

613
00:29:41,373 --> 00:29:42,973
Speaker 8: they come on. They're not supposed to wear their patches

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Speaker 8: on the hospital grounds. You know their signs everywhere. But

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Speaker 8: that doesn't really mean to think and I feel very

616
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Speaker 8: sorry for the nurses facts and particularly for the security

617
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Speaker 8: guards who they've been a couple of killed in recent years.

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Speaker 8: One day here in the North Shore was killed a

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Speaker 8: few years ago. He was doing a car yard of

620
00:29:58,053 --> 00:30:02,133
Speaker 8: all things. He was an immigrant. But yeah, that sort

621
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Speaker 8: of thing that they need these put these poor bases

622
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Speaker 8: and so these poor people in the line of fire

623
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Speaker 8: and give them, give them better pay, give them the

624
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Speaker 8: option and a secure way of doing it. But I

625
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Speaker 8: know you're going to get as any calls aid as

626
00:30:13,893 --> 00:30:17,293
Speaker 8: far as but I've seen terrible, terrible things, and we're

627
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Speaker 8: just doing a job of these people. This is during

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Speaker 8: broad daylight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I get what you're saying, Gary, And I sorry, Sean,

630
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Speaker 3: and I know where Gary is coming from. That he's

631
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Speaker 3: got to play the game, and he's got to go softly,

632
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Speaker 3: softly and get across the handcuffs first and then maybe

633
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Speaker 3: look at something a bit more like a taser. But

634
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Speaker 3: I actually am fully behind a situation like a taser

635
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Speaker 3: that's in a lock box, the similar to how we

636
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Speaker 3: had originally with police and firearms, that it's in the

637
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Speaker 3: boot and you've got to go through a certain process

638
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Speaker 3: before you open that and use it to take down

639
00:30:44,773 --> 00:30:47,213
Speaker 3: an offender who was threatening people within a hospital. But

640
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Speaker 3: I've got no problem with that. But as you say,

641
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Speaker 3: it relies upon the training. I don't want some security

642
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Speaker 3: guard who doesn't have any real life skills. It was

643
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Speaker 3: just there because it's a job and they can do it.

644
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Speaker 3: They've actually got to be quite well trained individuals and with.

645
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:04,933
Speaker 2: That heavily trained big units.

646
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you say yes, training.

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Speaker 8: Maybe absolutely, I am not necessary essays, but there is

648
00:31:11,533 --> 00:31:14,813
Speaker 8: ways of CQBT and to carefully manage it. But I've

649
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Speaker 8: talked a couple of security guards and police officers in

650
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Speaker 8: their psychology. Often when they point the taser at the offender,

651
00:31:20,933 --> 00:31:22,773
Speaker 8: the guy sees the red dot and they back down.

652
00:31:22,933 --> 00:31:25,973
Speaker 8: The key is that de escalate the situation. Face should

653
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Speaker 8: be the last result. But often you can use the

654
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Speaker 8: tools when happened to you, we're having to physically use them.

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Speaker 8: You have the presence of them. You de escalate the

656
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Speaker 8: situation and sometimes of a young kid who's got a

657
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Speaker 8: big attitude, maybe your back down. The US force and

658
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Speaker 8: I respect we are in a civilis society. We do

659
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Speaker 8: it as a last resort, but they've got to have

660
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Speaker 8: that result there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for your call, Shawn. Interesting to

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Speaker 2: say about the essays, but this Texas says cured a

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Speaker 2: Lad's a relatable story for you. My little sisted her

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Speaker 2: medical training at the same UK hospital with the essays

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Speaker 2: to their medical training. She said there were never ever

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Speaker 2: any issues in casualty. Just one lock from a member

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Speaker 2: of the essays to anyone who was even remotely out

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Speaker 2: of order meant that someone about to kick off sat

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Speaker 2: down and shut up very quickly.

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Speaker 3: That John Willy uppiata up to these days to get

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Speaker 3: them into middlemore well.

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Speaker 2: Up next, we've got a nurse who we really want

673
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Speaker 2: to talk to, a nurse because they're people at the

674
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Speaker 2: front line of this who backs chemically restraining these people.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be good.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be welcome back into the show. Thirteen to turn. We're

679
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Speaker 3: talking about hospital security guards. They want handcuffs. We're keen

680
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Speaker 3: to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Jamie says, Hey, guys, interesting show today. I'm in the

682
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Speaker 2: security industry. I've done nightclubs, events, close protection, undercover, retail security,

683
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Speaker 2: and so on. I don't believe in pepperscray pepper, spray,

684
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Speaker 2: tasers and enforcement whippers, as they make things unpredictable and

685
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Speaker 2: more intense. I believe in a higher number of people

686
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Speaker 2: so putting more people into employment, train them in mental

687
00:32:56,053 --> 00:32:58,573
Speaker 2: health and support them in the role legally, mentally, and

688
00:32:58,733 --> 00:33:01,453
Speaker 2: fully train them. I would feel safer with four or

689
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Speaker 2: five big intimidating guys standing in my way than two

690
00:33:05,213 --> 00:33:08,573
Speaker 2: guys with a taser or spray. Drugs and alcohol. Our

691
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Speaker 2: industry even more intense.

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Speaker 3: Good text.

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Speaker 2: But as this person says, you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: really good text that says A'll try and find and

695
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Speaker 2: remember it. But I basically say, ah, conservatives always want

696
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Speaker 2: better services, but don't want to pay for more for them,

697
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Speaker 2: pay our staff and what they're worth. I mean, the

698
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Speaker 2: solutions to these problems involve more money, don't they.

699
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Speaker 3: More training, more money, high salaries, better people.

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Speaker 2: Everything in the health has sector involves more money. Grant says,

701
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Speaker 2: use the old net guns, awesome piece of kit. We

702
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Speaker 2: actually and the apes Yeah yeah, keeps catching some venison

703
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Speaker 2: that would take them out. Pretty says just get you

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Speaker 2: two O nine unit positioned in each ed Ward Quick

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Speaker 2: minigun purst in attacker is neutralized. If you follow the

706
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Speaker 2: podcast The Rewatchables, they have done Rover Coop this week.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic John. You're a nurse and you think that we

708
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Speaker 2: need to chemically restrain these people.

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Speaker 6: Well one that I think we you can, Like I

710
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Speaker 6: don't know why we've talking about tases and all that.

711
00:34:10,013 --> 00:34:13,013
Speaker 6: Only the years ago, when somebody got out of hand,

712
00:34:13,733 --> 00:34:16,533
Speaker 6: we'd chemically restrain them, made they'd be meek and mild

713
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Speaker 6: within less than twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: How do you do that, John, Well, how do you

715
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Speaker 2: think you do it? I don't know. You tell me

716
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Speaker 2: you have a lot of chemicals out there. Do you

717
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Speaker 2: inject them from behind or what?

718
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Speaker 6: You just use an injection? Like, Hey, you've talked about

719
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Speaker 6: cuffing and this and that, like, like, I mean, you

720
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Speaker 6: don't want to be nasty or cruel, but hang on,

721
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Speaker 6: if you're pulling out a knife or scissors and stabbing

722
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Speaker 6: a nurse and I think I heard it because I'd

723
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Speaker 6: forgotten that that a poor nurse died on duty, Well,

724
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Speaker 6: well that is not okay. And may I have seen violence, absolutely,

725
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Speaker 6: I now work in the community, and you do want

726
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Speaker 6: to have your wits about you. But like, these are hospitals.

727
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Speaker 6: Drugs are powerful, really powerful, and sure we don't know

728
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Speaker 6: the medical condition of the person, but the moment they're

729
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Speaker 6: wanting to attack you and harm you, they just gave

730
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Speaker 6: away their rights.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, even if we agree with that at John

732
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Speaker 2: and I do agree with that, but how do you

733
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Speaker 2: actually get up to a person that's wielding a knife

734
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Speaker 2: and inject them?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 6: True? And that's that's your hard part, Okay, So maybe

737
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Speaker 6: maybe that's where it even needs to be used or

738
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Speaker 6: something like that. Like I don't know. I mean there

739
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Speaker 6: is a way if you've got a knife, you hold

740
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Speaker 6: a chair, but you get a blanket and you throw

741
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Speaker 6: it at them or something. You've got to do something

742
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Speaker 6: to dis empower that night.

743
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Speaker 5: And I mean it's not fun.

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Speaker 6: And nobody wants to confront people when they're in this situation.

745
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Speaker 6: I think part of the problem is too our ads

746
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Speaker 6: have become what free medical centers. Yeah, and a lot

747
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Speaker 6: of people, Yeah, you go to your you go to

748
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Speaker 6: the hospitals and like gang members.

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Speaker 5: Mate, what they make money?

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Speaker 6: Why are they there?

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Speaker 12: You know?

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Speaker 6: Like, And the other thing I'd say is if you misbehave,

753
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry you don't get treated.

754
00:36:02,613 --> 00:36:04,813
Speaker 5: Now that is harsh, but you gave away.

755
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Speaker 6: You're right the moment that you became disorderly. Yeah, Like

756
00:36:08,853 --> 00:36:11,333
Speaker 6: would you walk into Singapore it says you bring in

757
00:36:11,413 --> 00:36:12,172
Speaker 6: drugs you die?

758
00:36:12,293 --> 00:36:13,093
Speaker 5: Do you take drugs?

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Speaker 9: And no?

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Speaker 6: You don't, So why don't we put up some big

761
00:36:16,733 --> 00:36:19,613
Speaker 6: signs and make this very very clear, because.

762
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Speaker 5: We like boundaries.

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Speaker 6: Are good for children and they're good for me just

764
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Speaker 6: as they are for you. We have them on our roads,

765
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Speaker 6: but we don't seem to have them in many other places.

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Speaker 9: Do we.

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Speaker 2: So you're a nurse, John, yep. Yeah, And so do.

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Speaker 5: You feel still got my registration?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I still got my registration.

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Speaker 2: So as a nurse when you were working, did you feel,

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Speaker 2: you know, scared? Often?

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Speaker 6: I could tell you a few stories. People can be

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Speaker 6: very demanding, and yes, people can get awkward. I remember

775
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Speaker 6: the last time I worked in a hospital. It was

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Speaker 6: in a medical surgical ward and a guy absolutely went berserk,

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Speaker 6: So we just shut his door. He totally smashed up

778
00:37:04,213 --> 00:37:06,973
Speaker 6: his room, including the ceiling. Now there was no point

779
00:37:06,973 --> 00:37:10,333
Speaker 6: of going in there was like that, and he did

780
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Speaker 6: untold damage. I'd make him pay for that, like like

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00:37:13,973 --> 00:37:16,853
Speaker 6: it was just nuts, I don't know what. But he

782
00:37:17,013 --> 00:37:20,573
Speaker 6: was just in an average surgical medical ward and he

783
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Speaker 6: went mate. You wouldn't go in there because he got kikdoo.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, and you're getting a lot of support for

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Speaker 3: what you're saying, John, Thank you very much. It is

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Speaker 3: eight minutes to two back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: I like Mattias Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News DOGSB, News DOGSB. It is six to two. On

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Speaker 3: the line is Ken who used to actually work security

792
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Speaker 3: at a hospital, so he's a good man to chat to.

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Speaker 3: Get a Ken.

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Speaker 17: Okay, okay, Matt, Yeah, it was a few years ago,

795
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Speaker 17: but we had the shotgun Boughton while we were up there.

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00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:03,493
Speaker 17: A few other fits and pieces. But I'd have to

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Speaker 17: take issue with Gary from the Security Association of much

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Speaker 17: time for them. But security guards at the hospital is

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Speaker 17: the most dangerous security in the city. And that was

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Speaker 17: from a cop I was served in the Army with

801
00:38:18,653 --> 00:38:20,773
Speaker 17: when you come in order patient one day and said,

802
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Speaker 17: what are you doing in there? This is the most

803
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Speaker 17: dangerous security in the.

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Speaker 3: Lowest doesn't surprise me, yep.

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Speaker 17: And they also the Security Stization opposed my submission when

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Speaker 17: they bought the security guard changed the Act in twenty

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Speaker 17: ten to increase the training.

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Speaker 5: They dropped the level of training because the Hospitality Association

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00:38:44,373 --> 00:38:49,652
Speaker 5: didn't want the extra training. Now I've developed my own

810
00:38:49,693 --> 00:38:53,813
Speaker 5: little systems that require but no hand on. Its possible

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Speaker 5: that you can ertain to anyone can legally depending on

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00:38:58,613 --> 00:39:03,893
Speaker 5: the situation. And to say that you can't do anything true.

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00:39:04,813 --> 00:39:07,333
Speaker 5: And security guards have a duty of care far up

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Speaker 5: the hospital and some on the night. They have a

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Speaker 5: choosed the cares and particular start.

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Speaker 3: They certainly do. And I imagine, you know, if that's

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00:39:14,693 --> 00:39:16,333
Speaker 3: put in front of a judge and there's you know,

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Speaker 3: charges that are laid against the security guard, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: they will come out or right on the other side.

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Speaker 3: But the truth of the matter is, Ken, according to

821
00:39:22,733 --> 00:39:26,252
Speaker 3: the legislation, security guards cannot detain. They do not have

822
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Speaker 3: the same rights as that proposed change for citizen arrest

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Speaker 3: or for ordinary citizens. So Gary is right on that

824
00:39:32,053 --> 00:39:33,973
Speaker 3: that under the legislation, and that's what it's.

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00:39:35,933 --> 00:39:38,733
Speaker 17: No, he's not lot everyone and this is from a

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Speaker 17: police officer. Everyone has the right to detain. It doesn't

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Speaker 17: mean we enough security guards are supposed to just have

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Speaker 17: a bitter knowledge And when we were up there, we

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Speaker 17: were paying people will time under the mental health.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, thanks so much for cooking.

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Speaker 3: Very good discussion. Thank you to everybody who phoned and

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Speaker 3: called on that one. It is three minutes to two

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Speaker 3: New Sport and weather is on the way. You're listening

834
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Speaker 3: to Matt and Tylo. Hope you having a great afternoon.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you back here very surely.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons used dogs.

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Speaker 3: It'd be for a good afternoons. You seven pass to

839
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Speaker 3: welcome back into the show. Now, just before we move

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Speaker 3: on to the next topic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought of sum up because we ran out

842
00:40:25,133 --> 00:40:26,933
Speaker 2: of time, so many calls and texts to get through.

843
00:40:27,253 --> 00:40:30,213
Speaker 2: So I think we all agree, judging by the calls

844
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Speaker 2: and the text if you're threatening and abusive to the

845
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Speaker 2: very people trying to help your friends or loved ones,

846
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Speaker 2: you're the worst of the worst. In my opinion, you've

847
00:40:37,333 --> 00:40:40,693
Speaker 2: lost all rights and cuffs entertainment is the very least

848
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Speaker 2: you deserve. So let's train and empower our security offices

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Speaker 2: and hospitals to protect our doctors and nurses and the

850
00:40:47,413 --> 00:40:51,053
Speaker 2: honest good patients there. Because those doctors and nurses are

851
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Speaker 2: just trying to do their job to help people, and

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00:40:52,573 --> 00:40:56,093
Speaker 2: it's terrible that they're scared. And you know, if you

853
00:40:56,133 --> 00:41:01,573
Speaker 2: catch yourself being an absolute dickhead in an ed situation.

854
00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:04,293
Speaker 2: Then maybe stop for a second ago I'm a knob.

855
00:41:04,293 --> 00:41:05,253
Speaker 2: I'm going to stop right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, give yourself an upper cut, tasy yourself and sort

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Speaker 3: your sort of your life.

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00:41:08,853 --> 00:41:13,853
Speaker 2: Please eject yourself with some tranquilizer and lie on the

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Speaker 2: ground in your own filth, and we'll put the boot in.

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Speaker 3: Beautifully said, right, this is going to be an interesting hours.

861
00:41:20,013 --> 00:41:24,093
Speaker 3: So new research has revealed some alarming facts about our

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Speaker 3: attention spans and brain development.

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Speaker 2: Matt, Yeah, so this neuroscience has you know, this is

864
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Speaker 2: in a nutshell over consumption of short term form content.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Instagram reels, We're talking about YouTube shorts,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about TikTok can impair brain function more severely

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Speaker 2: than moderate alcohol use when it comes to attention, memory,

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Speaker 2: and impulse control. So you know, if you're spending a

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Speaker 2: lot of time doom scrolling through this brain, right, then

870
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Speaker 2: tasks that can't require patient such as deep, deep hard work,

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Speaker 2: long conversations, real learning, reading books, et cetera. Even watching

872
00:42:05,813 --> 00:42:10,173
Speaker 2: a movie ninety to two hour long movie duration movie

873
00:42:10,493 --> 00:42:16,013
Speaker 2: become almost unbearable. So it's not just as this paper says,

874
00:42:16,013 --> 00:42:19,413
Speaker 2: it's not just stealing your time, it's rewiring who you are,

875
00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:25,973
Speaker 2: so it's making us dumber. Essentially, short form content is

876
00:42:26,133 --> 00:42:30,212
Speaker 2: pumping us with so much dopamine every minute that it's

877
00:42:30,213 --> 00:42:34,613
Speaker 2: making real life dull. It's just destroying our attention stands

878
00:42:34,613 --> 00:42:37,053
Speaker 2: span and making us dumber. So if you do you

879
00:42:37,093 --> 00:42:39,413
Speaker 2: feel like one hundred and eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two,

880
00:42:39,413 --> 00:42:41,893
Speaker 2: do you feel like you're getting dumber from the amount

881
00:42:41,933 --> 00:42:45,173
Speaker 2: of time you're spending online? And if so, are you

882
00:42:45,253 --> 00:42:48,333
Speaker 2: trying to do something about it? Are you? Because if

883
00:42:48,413 --> 00:42:50,973
Speaker 2: you find that you cannot no longer read a book anymore,

884
00:42:51,773 --> 00:42:54,333
Speaker 2: that you cannot watch a movie anymore with going without

885
00:42:54,373 --> 00:42:57,692
Speaker 2: going to your phone, that you cannot have a deep

886
00:42:57,733 --> 00:43:01,453
Speaker 2: and meaningful conversation with the friend, or discuss anything complicated

887
00:43:01,493 --> 00:43:06,893
Speaker 2: at work without zoning out. And look, should you be

888
00:43:06,973 --> 00:43:09,053
Speaker 2: handing your kids a shot of tequila instead of an

889
00:43:09,093 --> 00:43:10,373
Speaker 2: iPhone with TikTok on it?

890
00:43:10,493 --> 00:43:13,453
Speaker 3: Well, according to that research, that might be better for them.

891
00:43:13,573 --> 00:43:14,212
Speaker 2: Neither is good.

892
00:43:14,333 --> 00:43:15,413
Speaker 3: No, neither is good.

893
00:43:15,493 --> 00:43:20,413
Speaker 2: But if, in terms of entertaining your child for a

894
00:43:20,413 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 2: couple of hours on the couch potentially alcohol, is this

895
00:43:23,613 --> 00:43:25,933
Speaker 2: bad for them, then TikTok Yeah, Well, The irony is

896
00:43:25,973 --> 00:43:27,573
Speaker 2: when I have a few glasses of wine and get

897
00:43:27,613 --> 00:43:30,253
Speaker 2: that nice, nice buzz, It actually makes me more attentive

898
00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:32,413
Speaker 2: to the movie I'm watching because because hand Up, I

899
00:43:32,933 --> 00:43:34,613
Speaker 2: face that at the moment, and I know that I'm

900
00:43:34,653 --> 00:43:37,813
Speaker 2: getting dumber, and obviously that brain rots is sitting in.

901
00:43:37,973 --> 00:43:39,692
Speaker 2: Oh boy, You're not the only one that knows you're

902
00:43:39,693 --> 00:43:40,493
Speaker 2: getting dumber.

903
00:43:40,293 --> 00:43:43,773
Speaker 3: Mate, But hand Up, I mean, look, you take this

904
00:43:43,893 --> 00:43:46,373
Speaker 3: very seriously. I know you do that. You're aware that

905
00:43:46,413 --> 00:43:48,733
Speaker 3: this sort of brain rot and the doom scrolling is

906
00:43:48,773 --> 00:43:50,853
Speaker 3: not good for your mental health. So you make concerted

907
00:43:50,893 --> 00:43:54,013
Speaker 3: efforts and you pride yourself on saying no, screw that,

908
00:43:54,053 --> 00:43:56,493
Speaker 3: You're not going to control me. But it's bloody difficult

909
00:43:57,533 --> 00:43:59,413
Speaker 3: Monday to Friday. That's when it's harder. If I go

910
00:43:59,493 --> 00:44:01,732
Speaker 3: home and I want to start a new series and

911
00:44:01,813 --> 00:44:03,373
Speaker 3: I love it for about fifteen minutes, and then I

912
00:44:03,413 --> 00:44:06,373
Speaker 3: reach for my phone and start looking at I don't

913
00:44:06,373 --> 00:44:07,893
Speaker 3: know who is that actor? Where have I seen him

914
00:44:07,933 --> 00:44:10,693
Speaker 3: from before? Start going down that Wikipedia rabbit hole, and

915
00:44:10,733 --> 00:44:12,493
Speaker 3: then look at I wonder what's happening on Instagram?

916
00:44:12,773 --> 00:44:15,373
Speaker 2: So this Texas says, please provide where the study originates.

917
00:44:15,613 --> 00:44:19,693
Speaker 2: So it's pulled together from several studies. Short form videos

918
00:44:19,733 --> 00:44:25,773
Speaker 2: degrade our capacity to retain intensions. Behavior and information technology

919
00:44:26,573 --> 00:44:29,453
Speaker 2: was another name of a study. There's about three or

920
00:44:29,453 --> 00:44:32,333
Speaker 2: four that have been correlated together for this analysis.

921
00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:35,812
Speaker 3: I mean it's effectively We've said this a few times

922
00:44:35,813 --> 00:44:40,253
Speaker 3: on the show, but idiocracy starting to become real life.

923
00:44:41,013 --> 00:44:46,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people can't even understand basic concepts now

924
00:44:46,573 --> 00:44:51,653
Speaker 2: that that take the time to concentrate on them such

925
00:44:51,853 --> 00:44:55,733
Speaker 2: that you understand, you know, pros and cons because you

926
00:44:55,773 --> 00:44:58,213
Speaker 2: can see. And that's what's so terrifying, because a lot

927
00:44:58,253 --> 00:45:00,813
Speaker 2: of people are getting their politics from TikTok right, and

928
00:45:01,013 --> 00:45:02,692
Speaker 2: if you like something that will throw you the next

929
00:45:02,693 --> 00:45:05,573
Speaker 2: thing that supports that and supports that. But the attention

930
00:45:05,653 --> 00:45:07,692
Speaker 2: span has been reduced to the point where no one

931
00:45:07,733 --> 00:45:11,413
Speaker 2: will go and read the full article that questions what

932
00:45:11,453 --> 00:45:14,253
Speaker 2: they've seen and they just don't have the attentionspand to

933
00:45:14,293 --> 00:45:14,533
Speaker 2: do it.

934
00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:16,813
Speaker 3: No, they'll read the first couple of paragraphs and they

935
00:45:16,813 --> 00:45:19,093
Speaker 3: make up their mind. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

936
00:45:19,253 --> 00:45:20,253
Speaker 3: Do you suffer from this?

937
00:45:20,493 --> 00:45:23,053
Speaker 2: Yeah? Be honest. Do you feel like you're getting dumber

938
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:24,813
Speaker 2: or do you feel like the people around you are

939
00:45:24,813 --> 00:45:27,173
Speaker 2: getting dumber. If so, what are you doing about it?

940
00:45:27,493 --> 00:45:28,773
Speaker 3: Yep, this is going to be a great chat. Oh

941
00:45:28,773 --> 00:45:30,652
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

942
00:45:30,973 --> 00:45:34,172
Speaker 3: It is twelve past two.

943
00:45:33,773 --> 00:45:38,373
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams. Afternoons call,

944
00:45:38,493 --> 00:45:41,173
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said, be.

945
00:45:44,093 --> 00:45:46,973
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons you it is quarter past to Do

946
00:45:47,093 --> 00:45:50,813
Speaker 3: you feel dumber? There is research, alarming research that shows

947
00:45:50,813 --> 00:45:54,213
Speaker 3: most of us are becoming stupider as a human species

948
00:45:54,253 --> 00:45:55,613
Speaker 3: because of what we're watching online.

949
00:45:55,733 --> 00:45:55,973
Speaker 10: Yeah.

950
00:45:55,973 --> 00:45:57,573
Speaker 2: I talked to my sons about it. Because they talk.

951
00:45:58,093 --> 00:46:00,813
Speaker 2: They describe it as brain rot, so the kids con

952
00:46:00,853 --> 00:46:03,453
Speaker 2: sense that it's hurting their brains. These short tom the videos,

953
00:46:03,493 --> 00:46:07,293
Speaker 2: this TikTok, the Instagram reels, the YouTube shorts. They can

954
00:46:07,293 --> 00:46:11,093
Speaker 2: sense it, and both my sons have taken steps. I

955
00:46:11,173 --> 00:46:12,493
Speaker 2: just brought it up with them when I was reading

956
00:46:12,493 --> 00:46:14,732
Speaker 2: the study this morning. I bought it up with them

957
00:46:14,893 --> 00:46:17,853
Speaker 2: and they both said that. One of them said that

958
00:46:17,893 --> 00:46:20,253
Speaker 2: he's deleted all those apps because he could feel and

959
00:46:20,253 --> 00:46:22,333
Speaker 2: made him feel crap after it's been an hour doom

960
00:46:22,333 --> 00:46:24,533
Speaker 2: scrolling smart boy. The other one said he'll only look

961
00:46:24,653 --> 00:46:26,813
Speaker 2: at short videos. That are sent to him by people

962
00:46:26,853 --> 00:46:30,013
Speaker 2: he won't watch anymore after that. So he's using his

963
00:46:30,173 --> 00:46:33,533
Speaker 2: friends to rot their brains out and create just the

964
00:46:33,653 --> 00:46:36,053
Speaker 2: very best, funniest thing for the day. And he watched that,

965
00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:37,732
Speaker 2: but he won't go through and find them to send

966
00:46:37,773 --> 00:46:38,253
Speaker 2: other people.

967
00:46:38,293 --> 00:46:39,973
Speaker 3: And that makes me feel good. I think it's the

968
00:46:40,053 --> 00:46:42,253
Speaker 3: millennials and older that struggle with it, and they should

969
00:46:42,253 --> 00:46:44,373
Speaker 3: know better because we've been in a situation where we

970
00:46:44,413 --> 00:46:46,853
Speaker 3: didn't have this crap. But yet it seems to be

971
00:46:46,893 --> 00:46:48,373
Speaker 3: older people that struggle with this stuff.

972
00:46:48,813 --> 00:46:50,653
Speaker 2: Kurt, your thoughts on this.

973
00:46:52,573 --> 00:46:59,253
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was on the Facebook and Instagram when my

974
00:46:59,373 --> 00:47:02,933
Speaker 9: young color well for my first kid, and there was

975
00:47:03,573 --> 00:47:05,973
Speaker 9: the calling was when he was sort of one of

976
00:47:06,013 --> 00:47:10,013
Speaker 9: my attention. I was just sitting there scrolling on Facebook

977
00:47:10,013 --> 00:47:13,453
Speaker 9: and that, just looking at nonsense really and then not

978
00:47:13,493 --> 00:47:17,252
Speaker 9: giving him the attention. And then just recently with those

979
00:47:17,333 --> 00:47:21,333
Speaker 9: YouTube I still go on YouTube and that, but I've

980
00:47:21,813 --> 00:47:30,213
Speaker 9: found myself off the YouTube shorts.

981
00:47:29,693 --> 00:47:32,373
Speaker 3: We're just losing your bit there, mate, Just take a

982
00:47:32,373 --> 00:47:33,853
Speaker 3: step to the left or right and carry on.

983
00:47:35,133 --> 00:47:38,013
Speaker 9: Ye're just on the YouTube shorts, just scrolling through that.

984
00:47:38,253 --> 00:47:41,333
Speaker 9: And then because they never used to have that on

985
00:47:41,413 --> 00:47:44,453
Speaker 9: YouTube and then I'm sort of doing the same thing

986
00:47:44,493 --> 00:47:47,213
Speaker 9: now because it's there. I just you know, I'll just

987
00:47:47,253 --> 00:47:50,453
Speaker 9: find myself doing it, whereas i'd normally just search a

988
00:47:50,453 --> 00:47:54,053
Speaker 9: documentary or whatever video clip I was watching on YouTube

989
00:47:54,093 --> 00:47:56,373
Speaker 9: and do it for the long haul.

990
00:47:56,693 --> 00:47:56,933
Speaker 2: Yeah.

991
00:47:57,933 --> 00:48:01,933
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you're just time wasting really, so by.

992
00:48:01,813 --> 00:48:03,733
Speaker 2: YouTube shorts, we're talking a minute.

993
00:48:03,493 --> 00:48:09,053
Speaker 9: Here, yeah, or either a minute or on the short clip.

994
00:48:09,093 --> 00:48:13,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because because I think there's utility in YouTube,

995
00:48:13,933 --> 00:48:16,413
Speaker 2: and you know, there's there's the you know, eight to

996
00:48:16,533 --> 00:48:19,333
Speaker 2: thirteen minutes. Sometimes you get an half hour clip that'll

997
00:48:19,373 --> 00:48:22,732
Speaker 2: explain something and it's quite in depth and you can

998
00:48:22,773 --> 00:48:25,173
Speaker 2: get access to the smartest people in the world to

999
00:48:25,813 --> 00:48:28,693
Speaker 2: describe something for you. I've been trying to understand general

1000
00:48:28,693 --> 00:48:31,493
Speaker 2: relativity and space time at the moment, and YouTube is

1001
00:48:31,493 --> 00:48:33,413
Speaker 2: great for that. Back it up with the book and stuff.

1002
00:48:33,453 --> 00:48:37,133
Speaker 2: You can learn something. But can you really learn anything

1003
00:48:37,293 --> 00:48:38,613
Speaker 2: from a one minute clip?

1004
00:48:40,773 --> 00:48:45,133
Speaker 9: Na, Well, it's just for the probably for the laugh

1005
00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:48,333
Speaker 9: or the views sort of thing. Yeah, more so of

1006
00:48:48,493 --> 00:48:51,333
Speaker 9: a of a long clip where you would pay your

1007
00:48:51,373 --> 00:48:54,413
Speaker 9: attention because you push your quick to push that skip

1008
00:48:54,453 --> 00:48:56,333
Speaker 9: button through the ad and that to get back to

1009
00:48:56,373 --> 00:49:00,133
Speaker 9: watching it. Yeah, but that shorts. One you just scroll,

1010
00:49:00,213 --> 00:49:02,013
Speaker 9: you know, and do you find yourself like that one?

1011
00:49:02,013 --> 00:49:03,692
Speaker 9: You just yeah the next one?

1012
00:49:03,733 --> 00:49:05,573
Speaker 2: And do you find yourself less likely to watch a

1013
00:49:05,573 --> 00:49:08,973
Speaker 2: slightly longer clip because you're watching have to be watching

1014
00:49:08,973 --> 00:49:10,533
Speaker 2: the shorter clips.

1015
00:49:13,253 --> 00:49:17,373
Speaker 9: Of your or your your your patients wake the air,

1016
00:49:17,453 --> 00:49:20,652
Speaker 9: so you'll you'll skull, you'll push that the fast forward

1017
00:49:20,733 --> 00:49:24,293
Speaker 9: button to where it might be more interesting part of

1018
00:49:24,293 --> 00:49:25,053
Speaker 9: the documentary.

1019
00:49:25,213 --> 00:49:26,253
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1020
00:49:25,773 --> 00:49:27,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you tried to break out of it? Could

1021
00:49:27,773 --> 00:49:31,853
Speaker 3: have you tried any strategies to stop watching these YouTube shorts.

1022
00:49:31,613 --> 00:49:33,813
Speaker 2: Because you got away from Instagram and TikTok, didn't you?

1023
00:49:35,013 --> 00:49:35,133
Speaker 18: Uh?

1024
00:49:35,333 --> 00:49:35,533
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1025
00:49:35,773 --> 00:49:36,293
Speaker 9: Facebook?

1026
00:49:36,573 --> 00:49:37,013
Speaker 2: Facebook?

1027
00:49:37,333 --> 00:49:41,213
Speaker 9: Yeah, but yeah, I think it will be Yeah, I

1028
00:49:41,213 --> 00:49:43,813
Speaker 9: will make an effort. I'll probably just like not yet,

1029
00:49:43,933 --> 00:49:46,973
Speaker 9: not even open the shorts and just go to the

1030
00:49:47,013 --> 00:49:49,692
Speaker 9: documentaries and that. But I feel like you're way better

1031
00:49:49,733 --> 00:49:55,933
Speaker 9: without social media. I think all round day, I don't

1032
00:49:55,973 --> 00:50:00,133
Speaker 9: miss it at all, Facebook or the Instagram.

1033
00:50:00,173 --> 00:50:04,613
Speaker 2: Now, when you finished watching a series of short videos, Kurt,

1034
00:50:04,933 --> 00:50:07,573
Speaker 2: can you think of what the emotion that you in

1035
00:50:07,613 --> 00:50:09,853
Speaker 2: one word, what the emotion you feel when you when

1036
00:50:09,893 --> 00:50:12,652
Speaker 2: you know, look up and look around and realize you've

1037
00:50:12,653 --> 00:50:13,373
Speaker 2: spent some time on it.

1038
00:50:14,213 --> 00:50:15,293
Speaker 9: Hasn't wasted time.

1039
00:50:16,373 --> 00:50:19,013
Speaker 3: It's self loathing, isn't it. I've been absolutely well, well,

1040
00:50:19,013 --> 00:50:20,253
Speaker 3: they've asked that, they did.

1041
00:50:20,413 --> 00:50:23,693
Speaker 2: Jonathan Hyden, one of his books, talks about asking you know,

1042
00:50:24,093 --> 00:50:26,773
Speaker 2: young people what they're feeling is, and the most common

1043
00:50:26,773 --> 00:50:27,533
Speaker 2: word is regret.

1044
00:50:28,093 --> 00:50:33,013
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, you could achieve so much more, you know,

1045
00:50:33,333 --> 00:50:38,373
Speaker 9: you're sitting there and doing just using your thumb. Yeah,

1046
00:50:38,453 --> 00:50:40,333
Speaker 9: and then you look up and there's an hour gone.

1047
00:50:40,413 --> 00:50:43,933
Speaker 9: You can make you a time so much more valuable

1048
00:50:44,093 --> 00:50:45,093
Speaker 9: than that hour, you know.

1049
00:50:45,253 --> 00:50:48,093
Speaker 2: Exactly, Well, good luck with fighting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1050
00:50:48,093 --> 00:50:49,732
Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing. But not only that, as

1051
00:50:49,773 --> 00:50:51,293
Speaker 2: you look up and there's regret and you go, look,

1052
00:50:51,293 --> 00:50:54,212
Speaker 2: I've wasted my time. But the studies are saying, now,

1053
00:50:54,293 --> 00:50:58,692
Speaker 2: not only that, but you have made yourself dumber by

1054
00:50:58,773 --> 00:51:02,333
Speaker 2: doing it. You've actually damaged your brain by spending an

1055
00:51:02,373 --> 00:51:05,373
Speaker 2: hour or half an hour or god for bid, two

1056
00:51:05,453 --> 00:51:10,733
Speaker 2: hours doom scrolling through tech talk or reels or YouTube shorts.

1057
00:51:11,093 --> 00:51:12,693
Speaker 2: So that's depressing, isn't It's.

1058
00:51:12,493 --> 00:51:14,973
Speaker 3: A vicious cycle? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1059
00:51:15,013 --> 00:51:18,212
Speaker 3: the number to call. Are you stuck in this doom'scrolling state?

1060
00:51:18,293 --> 00:51:19,813
Speaker 3: And do you feel dumb? I love to hear your

1061
00:51:19,853 --> 00:51:21,973
Speaker 3: thoughts on Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is

1062
00:51:22,013 --> 00:51:22,893
Speaker 3: twenty parts.

1063
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:29,813
Speaker 1: Two Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons. Call oh eight

1064
00:51:29,933 --> 00:51:32,173
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty on yoused talk ZV.

1065
00:51:32,533 --> 00:51:34,692
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. It is twenty two parts two.

1066
00:51:34,853 --> 00:51:37,613
Speaker 2: This Texas says, after fifteen seconds of Matt's introduction to

1067
00:51:37,653 --> 00:51:40,373
Speaker 2: the segment, I lost concentration and now looking at TikTok.

1068
00:51:40,613 --> 00:51:44,133
Speaker 3: Yeah that's the problem. Wow, there's the problem fifteen seconds.

1069
00:51:44,213 --> 00:51:47,373
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, James is too dumb from watching TikTok to

1070
00:51:47,573 --> 00:51:50,973
Speaker 2: understand the subtle complexities of my introduction.

1071
00:51:51,093 --> 00:51:52,773
Speaker 3: Your loss of the ciste James, James is.

1072
00:51:52,773 --> 00:51:55,253
Speaker 2: An example of the brain rot that is destroying people

1073
00:51:55,293 --> 00:51:57,853
Speaker 2: in our society that we're talking about, and potentially doing

1074
00:51:57,893 --> 00:51:59,453
Speaker 2: more damage to himself than if he was having to

1075
00:51:59,653 --> 00:52:00,853
Speaker 2: drinking tequila at the moment.

1076
00:52:00,693 --> 00:52:03,133
Speaker 3: We're trying to save you, James. Yeah, but tequila sounds

1077
00:52:03,173 --> 00:52:06,133
Speaker 3: pretty good right now. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty

1078
00:52:06,173 --> 00:52:06,853
Speaker 3: is the number to call.

1079
00:52:06,893 --> 00:52:09,253
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, So what if you're drinking view on and

1080
00:52:09,373 --> 00:52:10,653
Speaker 2: scrolling triply dumber?

1081
00:52:11,053 --> 00:52:11,252
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1082
00:52:11,333 --> 00:52:12,173
Speaker 3: Yes, good points.

1083
00:52:13,173 --> 00:52:14,333
Speaker 2: Hi j Welcome to the show.

1084
00:52:16,413 --> 00:52:22,893
Speaker 20: Hi Margine, Turner finks for me having me on the show, and.

1085
00:52:22,813 --> 00:52:25,253
Speaker 3: What's your thoughts about the brain rot.

1086
00:52:25,053 --> 00:52:32,053
Speaker 20: AJ, that's pretty accurate. I guess it's not just I

1087
00:52:32,053 --> 00:52:36,933
Speaker 20: guess from the short content videos. It's it's almost like

1088
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Speaker 20: they have having an impact on our decision making, judgment

1089
00:52:40,573 --> 00:52:43,453
Speaker 20: and all of this stuff. Some could be entertaining, some

1090
00:52:43,493 --> 00:52:45,453
Speaker 20: could features on the political debate, some could be on

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00:52:45,493 --> 00:52:49,933
Speaker 20: religious contents, and these sixty seconds would actually define the

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00:52:50,173 --> 00:52:53,772
Speaker 20: actual content creator's view and how we perceive it would

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00:52:53,853 --> 00:52:57,652
Speaker 20: be rather the more or less from their perspective, and

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00:52:57,733 --> 00:53:00,253
Speaker 20: we not meange, we would not even go ahead and

1095
00:53:00,533 --> 00:53:03,933
Speaker 20: do a check on the data or the background to it,

1096
00:53:04,013 --> 00:53:07,733
Speaker 20: and still we will be too judgmental. And then probably

1097
00:53:07,733 --> 00:53:10,853
Speaker 20: our thoughts would start running from that second towards the

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00:53:10,933 --> 00:53:14,133
Speaker 20: direction or the content creator how he wanted us to perceive,

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00:53:14,773 --> 00:53:19,533
Speaker 20: and that just brings our who was thinking capability so down.

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00:53:19,933 --> 00:53:23,333
Speaker 20: It's almost like we are getting in an instant generation

1101
00:53:24,093 --> 00:53:28,173
Speaker 20: where our thoughts are just based on sixty seconds and

1102
00:53:28,213 --> 00:53:29,573
Speaker 20: we are losing our skills.

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00:53:29,693 --> 00:53:32,853
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, in a sixty second video, AJ, you're unlikely

1104
00:53:32,933 --> 00:53:36,293
Speaker 2: to get the both sides of the argument and a

1105
00:53:36,413 --> 00:53:39,173
Speaker 2: nuanced discussions, so you can make up your own mind.

1106
00:53:39,613 --> 00:53:43,493
Speaker 2: You're being blasted with one opinion in the most emotional

1107
00:53:43,533 --> 00:53:48,573
Speaker 2: way possible, such that the algorithm is actually fitted to

1108
00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:51,732
Speaker 2: you in the first place, and then by watching it

1109
00:53:51,773 --> 00:53:54,373
Speaker 2: that then pushes you to get more content like.

1110
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:59,732
Speaker 20: That, yes it's just for me. I'm just like three

1111
00:53:59,813 --> 00:54:02,373
Speaker 20: nine year old and my kid is just five. And

1112
00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:05,333
Speaker 20: then when he has like because I do follow a

1113
00:54:05,413 --> 00:54:09,373
Speaker 20: lot of this Instagram reels and they're so cute and predictive,

1114
00:54:11,173 --> 00:54:14,853
Speaker 20: feeling like you're just on a binge eating stuff like

1115
00:54:14,933 --> 00:54:16,613
Speaker 20: if it all you're in a depression and then you

1116
00:54:16,973 --> 00:54:19,893
Speaker 20: bringe eating. I guess as a similar content is being

1117
00:54:19,973 --> 00:54:22,613
Speaker 20: driven by social media, whether it is on eggs or

1118
00:54:23,013 --> 00:54:25,772
Speaker 20: in star reels, they just gave you more and more

1119
00:54:25,973 --> 00:54:29,293
Speaker 20: and then we get that dopamine effect, like as if

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00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:32,653
Speaker 20: that you're getting stuck into that, and then what happens

1121
00:54:32,653 --> 00:54:34,893
Speaker 20: from then on is more or less Unknowingly, you'ld have

1122
00:54:34,933 --> 00:54:39,573
Speaker 20: spent an hour work of your life every day getting

1123
00:54:39,613 --> 00:54:42,613
Speaker 20: consumed into something that is not even useful.

1124
00:54:43,573 --> 00:54:43,652
Speaker 8: And.

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Speaker 20: Then what happens is this, especially, I have this addiction

1126
00:54:49,333 --> 00:54:52,373
Speaker 20: of watching just before I go to bed, so that

1127
00:54:52,413 --> 00:54:55,212
Speaker 20: will have an impact even when I go to reap

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00:54:55,413 --> 00:54:59,212
Speaker 20: and even in dreams sometimes some of these contents will

1129
00:54:59,293 --> 00:55:04,093
Speaker 20: just popping, like annoyingly or knowingly, and that is having

1130
00:55:04,093 --> 00:55:07,533
Speaker 20: an impact on subconscious mind also. And then we are

1131
00:55:07,573 --> 00:55:11,893
Speaker 20: almost getting at that age where everything is just defined

1132
00:55:11,893 --> 00:55:15,413
Speaker 20: by these sixty seconds rather than having we don't have

1133
00:55:15,453 --> 00:55:15,973
Speaker 20: the patience.

1134
00:55:16,253 --> 00:55:16,933
Speaker 5: Yeah it.

1135
00:55:19,373 --> 00:55:21,013
Speaker 20: Has been so eat walk.

1136
00:55:23,293 --> 00:55:26,533
Speaker 3: So aj. We're just losing you a bit. Just move

1137
00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:30,692
Speaker 3: around a bit and hopefully that clears up. Now, Yeah

1138
00:55:30,813 --> 00:55:31,933
Speaker 3: that's good. Yeah, perfect.

1139
00:55:32,253 --> 00:55:34,493
Speaker 2: So, so basically what you're saying is not not only

1140
00:55:34,533 --> 00:55:39,813
Speaker 2: does it you know, you look up from these short

1141
00:55:40,493 --> 00:55:43,013
Speaker 2: form videos and not only have you not learned anything

1142
00:55:43,013 --> 00:55:45,893
Speaker 2: by watching them, but you've lost your ability and you've

1143
00:55:45,893 --> 00:55:51,173
Speaker 2: decreased your ability to actually learn and and taken information

1144
00:55:51,733 --> 00:55:53,333
Speaker 2: from more helpful sources.

1145
00:55:54,733 --> 00:55:56,813
Speaker 20: That's right. Yeah, I was found it up that way.

1146
00:55:56,853 --> 00:56:00,173
Speaker 20: It's almost like having going for a restaurant and ordering

1147
00:56:00,173 --> 00:56:02,813
Speaker 20: and reading for and are to eat a very good cuisine.

1148
00:56:03,013 --> 00:56:05,853
Speaker 20: Was just going for a megpeak for two minutes, get

1149
00:56:05,853 --> 00:56:08,853
Speaker 20: the burger. It's almost like the content is getting in

1150
00:56:09,013 --> 00:56:11,253
Speaker 20: that fast space and we're liking that.

1151
00:56:11,893 --> 00:56:12,173
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1152
00:56:13,053 --> 00:56:15,172
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think it's very similar to that

1153
00:56:15,613 --> 00:56:18,893
Speaker 2: to junk food as opposed to healthy food. If you

1154
00:56:18,973 --> 00:56:23,733
Speaker 2: keep eating junk food, then you find it way harder

1155
00:56:23,773 --> 00:56:27,453
Speaker 2: to enjoy, you know, good good food. You know, it's

1156
00:56:27,453 --> 00:56:29,293
Speaker 2: like it's like sugar. You know, I used to have

1157
00:56:29,373 --> 00:56:32,573
Speaker 2: like four five I used to have at the peak.

1158
00:56:32,613 --> 00:56:35,732
Speaker 2: I used to have four teaspoons of sugar in my coffee, cheese, mate,

1159
00:56:35,813 --> 00:56:37,893
Speaker 2: And now I have no sugar in my coffee. Ye

1160
00:56:38,253 --> 00:56:41,813
Speaker 2: and tastes so incredibly sweet to have any sugar in

1161
00:56:42,133 --> 00:56:43,933
Speaker 2: my coffee. It's the same kind of thing, right.

1162
00:56:43,853 --> 00:56:45,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you've got to Did you have to wean

1163
00:56:45,533 --> 00:56:47,173
Speaker 3: yourself off of sugar a little bit? Or you just

1164
00:56:47,213 --> 00:56:47,973
Speaker 3: went cold Turkey?

1165
00:56:48,093 --> 00:56:50,172
Speaker 2: I went cold Turkey, but it was disgusting for a while,

1166
00:56:50,533 --> 00:56:52,053
Speaker 2: but now I can't believe it. If I have if

1167
00:56:52,093 --> 00:56:53,853
Speaker 2: someone hands me a coffee it's got a sugar in it,

1168
00:56:53,933 --> 00:56:56,613
Speaker 2: then then it's disgusting to me.

1169
00:56:56,733 --> 00:56:58,732
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1170
00:56:58,773 --> 00:57:00,373
Speaker 3: to cool. Love to hear your thoughts. Are you stuck

1171
00:57:00,413 --> 00:57:02,773
Speaker 3: in this doom scrolling? What have you done? Do you

1172
00:57:02,813 --> 00:57:04,293
Speaker 3: admit that you are getting a bit dumber?

1173
00:57:04,453 --> 00:57:09,373
Speaker 2: Yeah? You feeling like your attention span is shrinking thanks

1174
00:57:09,413 --> 00:57:11,853
Speaker 2: to these short form videos.

1175
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Speaker 15: Youth talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis there's

1176
00:57:17,133 --> 00:57:20,733
Speaker 15: no trouble where the blue bubble. Health New Zealand's apologizing

1177
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Speaker 15: after two murders in Canterbury by mental healthcare patients with

1178
00:57:24,933 --> 00:57:30,213
Speaker 15: a damning report released today highlighting staff shortages, morale and governance.

1179
00:57:30,613 --> 00:57:35,333
Speaker 15: The agencies accepted all the recommendations. Security guards working in

1180
00:57:35,373 --> 00:57:39,573
Speaker 15: hospital emergency departments are asking for highly trained staff faced

1181
00:57:39,613 --> 00:57:42,853
Speaker 15: with rising aggression to be allowed to carry cuffs and

1182
00:57:43,013 --> 00:57:47,133
Speaker 15: detain offenders. Apex Union says more than one hundred and

1183
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Speaker 15: two thousand patients were on radiology weightless in March and

1184
00:57:51,493 --> 00:57:54,733
Speaker 15: forty four percent of staff are working with broken equipment.

1185
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Speaker 15: In the past year, more than one hundred million dollars

1186
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Speaker 15: has been paid to outsourced to private providers. Statsn Zen

1187
00:58:02,333 --> 00:58:05,373
Speaker 15: says ready Max concrete volume produced in the year to

1188
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Speaker 15: June was down six percent on the previous ques. A

1189
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Speaker 15: population health professor believes giving heated tobacco products a tax

1190
00:58:13,653 --> 00:58:16,813
Speaker 15: break is no scandal and the cut should be passed

1191
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1192
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1193
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1194
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jody, having a great discussion about

1195
00:58:30,653 --> 00:58:31,253
Speaker 3: brain rots.

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00:58:31,253 --> 00:58:36,293
Speaker 2: So we're talking about this analysis of several neuroscientific research

1197
00:58:36,333 --> 00:58:41,333
Speaker 2: papers are saying that increasing warning, they're noting increasingly warning

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00:58:41,413 --> 00:58:45,013
Speaker 2: that excessive consumption of short form content such as tiktoks,

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Speaker 2: reels and YouTube shorts may impair attention, memory and impulse control,

1200
00:58:50,373 --> 00:58:55,533
Speaker 2: potentially causing greater damage than that linked to moderate alcohol use.

1201
00:58:55,893 --> 00:59:00,893
Speaker 2: You know, short term video appears attention spans, slows responses

1202
00:59:00,933 --> 00:59:05,213
Speaker 2: and reduces executive control. Well, we know alcohol slows processing

1203
00:59:05,293 --> 00:59:07,373
Speaker 2: and appears executive functionally.

1204
00:59:07,413 --> 00:59:08,293
Speaker 3: Which is terrified.

1205
00:59:08,613 --> 00:59:12,693
Speaker 2: But long term, they're suggesting that that it might actually

1206
00:59:12,733 --> 00:59:16,613
Speaker 2: be worse for you watching these short term videos, these

1207
00:59:16,653 --> 00:59:19,933
Speaker 2: short form videos. This text says, this report is great,

1208
00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,573
Speaker 2: but can you please ask the author to break it

1209
00:59:21,573 --> 00:59:24,453
Speaker 2: down into ten to fifteen second videos. Tough to stay focused.

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00:59:24,533 --> 00:59:25,093
Speaker 2: Cheers Charles.

1211
00:59:25,173 --> 00:59:26,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, we hear you, Charles. We'll get it on TikTok

1212
00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:27,173
Speaker 3: for you.

1213
00:59:28,133 --> 00:59:31,613
Speaker 2: And this Texas says. Derek says, Hey guys, every evening

1214
00:59:31,653 --> 00:59:33,333
Speaker 2: I do the triple whamming. I have a few beers

1215
00:59:33,373 --> 00:59:35,573
Speaker 2: and a doo bee, then scroll deep into the night.

1216
00:59:36,013 --> 00:59:42,813
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm turning into a brainless jellyfish. Ha fun, Derek, Michael,

1217
00:59:42,853 --> 00:59:44,933
Speaker 2: you've uninstalled social media?

1218
00:59:46,253 --> 00:59:52,133
Speaker 21: Yeah, uninstalled after a painstaking process of reinstalling and uninstalling.

1219
00:59:52,813 --> 00:59:55,053
Speaker 21: But I've done a good couple of months and it's

1220
00:59:55,093 --> 00:59:56,293
Speaker 21: been pretty good so far.

1221
00:59:57,173 --> 01:00:00,213
Speaker 2: Were you on the yeah, the reels or in the TikTok?

1222
01:00:01,493 --> 01:00:01,693
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1223
01:00:01,733 --> 01:00:02,733
Speaker 9: I was on reels.

1224
01:00:02,773 --> 01:00:09,133
Speaker 21: I wasn't on TikTok, but the reels and the YouTube shorts, yeah, yeah, taking.

1225
01:00:08,893 --> 01:00:12,213
Speaker 2: Up my day. How much time is? How much time

1226
01:00:12,253 --> 01:00:13,333
Speaker 2: are you spending on it? Michael?

1227
01:00:16,453 --> 01:00:20,893
Speaker 22: I think I was sort of in the two hours

1228
01:00:20,933 --> 01:00:24,213
Speaker 22: a day sort of landmark. So it was pretty rough, like,

1229
01:00:25,213 --> 01:00:28,653
Speaker 22: you know, just scrolling you feel so ship up?

1230
01:00:30,133 --> 01:00:30,333
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1231
01:00:30,933 --> 01:00:34,493
Speaker 2: What was was? What was that? What was your feeling?

1232
01:00:34,493 --> 01:00:36,293
Speaker 2: What was what? If you could sum up I asked

1233
01:00:36,333 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 2: this of a caller before, if you could sum up

1234
01:00:38,253 --> 01:00:40,173
Speaker 2: on one word, how you felt when you got off?

1235
01:00:42,173 --> 01:00:44,333
Speaker 22: Do you know what a P and C stands for?

1236
01:00:45,373 --> 01:00:46,013
Speaker 2: P and C?

1237
01:00:46,973 --> 01:00:48,373
Speaker 3: No, can you say it on the radio?

1238
01:00:49,613 --> 01:00:50,173
Speaker 16: Probably not.

1239
01:00:51,693 --> 01:00:51,813
Speaker 9: Right?

1240
01:00:55,253 --> 01:00:58,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not property in causality insurance, I'm sure.

1241
01:01:02,973 --> 01:01:03,173
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1242
01:01:03,213 --> 01:01:05,493
Speaker 21: But what a lot of people for like sort of

1243
01:01:05,533 --> 01:01:08,853
Speaker 21: don't talk about is like how good the videos? You know,

1244
01:01:09,013 --> 01:01:12,493
Speaker 21: like you see some people doing some really cool stuff, Like,

1245
01:01:13,293 --> 01:01:15,733
Speaker 21: you know, I saw a video of some guy doing

1246
01:01:15,773 --> 01:01:18,733
Speaker 21: an iron Man in like Antarctica or something.

1247
01:01:18,893 --> 01:01:19,853
Speaker 16: Just crazy stuff.

1248
01:01:20,053 --> 01:01:24,013
Speaker 21: Yeah, and like it's really good forms of entertainment. There's

1249
01:01:24,053 --> 01:01:26,813
Speaker 21: some really funny stuff out there, and you sort of

1250
01:01:27,813 --> 01:01:31,013
Speaker 21: like getting through your day to day and sort of

1251
01:01:31,053 --> 01:01:33,933
Speaker 21: the mundane stuff is pretty hard when you have that

1252
01:01:34,133 --> 01:01:37,373
Speaker 21: availability to sort of be entertained.

1253
01:01:38,213 --> 01:01:41,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems to know pretty quickly exactly what

1254
01:01:41,093 --> 01:01:44,613
Speaker 2: you like. For me, it immediately goes to if one

1255
01:01:44,733 --> 01:01:50,573
Speaker 2: memes military hardware and powerwashing.

1256
01:01:51,053 --> 01:01:53,573
Speaker 3: Power washing, that would be exciting to watch easily.

1257
01:01:54,013 --> 01:01:55,893
Speaker 2: Have you seen any power washing Michael.

1258
01:01:56,933 --> 01:01:57,813
Speaker 16: No, none of those.

1259
01:01:58,373 --> 01:01:59,613
Speaker 22: You get a couple of them by.

1260
01:01:59,453 --> 01:02:00,173
Speaker 16: The scroll path.

1261
01:02:03,173 --> 01:02:05,613
Speaker 2: You're twenty, so it isn't targeting you with the same

1262
01:02:05,893 --> 01:02:07,533
Speaker 2: stuff as me.

1263
01:02:07,853 --> 01:02:10,933
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've just loaded up Instagram. Actually you just see

1264
01:02:10,933 --> 01:02:12,613
Speaker 3: what will pull up, And you're quite right. I'm just

1265
01:02:12,653 --> 01:02:15,613
Speaker 3: looking at some pretty full noise louge racing and bali

1266
01:02:16,293 --> 01:02:19,293
Speaker 3: and it's fantastic. They're flying off the side. It looks amazing.

1267
01:02:19,333 --> 01:02:21,253
Speaker 3: But this is the sort of stuff we're talking about.

1268
01:02:21,533 --> 01:02:26,493
Speaker 2: So, Michael, did you find your attention your focus drifted

1269
01:02:27,013 --> 01:02:30,613
Speaker 2: after watching you know, short form videos for two hours

1270
01:02:30,613 --> 01:02:32,293
Speaker 2: a day, one.

1271
01:02:32,213 --> 01:02:37,533
Speaker 21: Hundred percent one hundred percent, and it's like it takes

1272
01:02:37,573 --> 01:02:43,213
Speaker 21: an instant effect. And yeah, like normal things like if

1273
01:02:43,253 --> 01:02:45,973
Speaker 21: I'm cooking food, I'll just be like checking my phone.

1274
01:02:45,693 --> 01:02:48,373
Speaker 16: All the time, and you like, when you realize it's

1275
01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:54,093
Speaker 16: sort of too late, you throw the phone. Yeah, it's yeah, rough,

1276
01:02:54,453 --> 01:02:55,253
Speaker 16: it's not nice.

1277
01:02:55,573 --> 01:03:00,093
Speaker 2: How do you go with a normal ninety to ninety

1278
01:03:00,133 --> 01:03:01,213
Speaker 2: minute to two hour movie?

1279
01:03:03,533 --> 01:03:04,013
Speaker 8: Pretty good.

1280
01:03:04,013 --> 01:03:07,693
Speaker 23: I'm pretty into my movies. Yeah, I usually a phone away.

1281
01:03:08,053 --> 01:03:11,213
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty good with my movies.

1282
01:03:11,813 --> 01:03:16,213
Speaker 24: But like I'll see a lot of movie scenes on reels.

1283
01:03:16,133 --> 01:03:18,853
Speaker 16: And I'll be watching through them and really enjoying them.

1284
01:03:18,853 --> 01:03:21,453
Speaker 16: But I'll be thinking to myself, like, why don't I

1285
01:03:21,533 --> 01:03:25,733
Speaker 16: just watch the whole movie instead of going through all

1286
01:03:25,773 --> 01:03:26,773
Speaker 16: these things?

1287
01:03:27,293 --> 01:03:29,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the thing, now, isn't it just break

1288
01:03:29,573 --> 01:03:35,493
Speaker 2: down a movie into i don't know, ten one minute clips.

1289
01:03:36,013 --> 01:03:38,813
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, play a thing, get you hooked on it.

1290
01:03:38,853 --> 01:03:41,373
Speaker 22: But that's you know, that's another positive.

1291
01:03:40,973 --> 01:03:43,973
Speaker 16: Thing you can take. Like a lot of movies I've

1292
01:03:44,173 --> 01:03:47,653
Speaker 16: never heard of came up on my algorithm and I

1293
01:03:47,733 --> 01:03:49,893
Speaker 16: went on to watch them and really enjoy them.

1294
01:03:50,173 --> 01:03:53,053
Speaker 2: That's good. That's a good usage of it.

1295
01:03:53,053 --> 01:03:56,333
Speaker 24: It was the same thing with sort of exercise and

1296
01:03:56,453 --> 01:04:00,253
Speaker 24: like travel ideas, where you sort of see something and

1297
01:04:00,293 --> 01:04:04,173
Speaker 24: if you take inspiration from it, you can actually pursue it.

1298
01:04:04,333 --> 01:04:07,613
Speaker 24: But most people usually just scroll on to the next

1299
01:04:07,613 --> 01:04:10,373
Speaker 24: thing and sort of use it as entertainment.

1300
01:04:11,093 --> 01:04:12,853
Speaker 2: What do you think the chances of seeing a piece

1301
01:04:12,853 --> 01:04:17,293
Speaker 2: of information and then jumping off the short form video

1302
01:04:17,813 --> 01:04:22,213
Speaker 2: and finding a long form article on the subject or

1303
01:04:22,413 --> 01:04:24,533
Speaker 2: reading a book on the subject.

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01:04:25,733 --> 01:04:26,253
Speaker 7: Very low?

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01:04:28,853 --> 01:04:29,293
Speaker 21: Very low.

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01:04:30,453 --> 01:04:33,213
Speaker 2: Do you find when you know, when you're in this, this, this,

1307
01:04:33,293 --> 01:04:37,013
Speaker 2: these periods of watching you know, doom scrolling, you know,

1308
01:04:37,053 --> 01:04:41,013
Speaker 2: putting a loaded term on it. You know, in those periods,

1309
01:04:41,053 --> 01:04:44,533
Speaker 2: did you find it harder to focus at workout how

1310
01:04:44,613 --> 01:04:46,213
Speaker 2: to affect your work ethic and such.

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01:04:48,093 --> 01:04:48,693
Speaker 23: Not really.

1312
01:04:49,093 --> 01:04:52,013
Speaker 16: I mean I'm a laborer, so it's pretty like hands

1313
01:04:52,053 --> 01:04:57,333
Speaker 16: on and keeps me entertained. It's it's just more like

1314
01:04:57,373 --> 01:05:00,013
Speaker 16: the empty space, like if you have time where you're

1315
01:05:00,053 --> 01:05:03,093
Speaker 16: not really doing anything, you just have that It's.

1316
01:05:02,973 --> 01:05:06,133
Speaker 24: Like sort of that urge for a cigarette, same sort

1317
01:05:06,133 --> 01:05:08,293
Speaker 24: of thing where you're just like reaching for the phone,

1318
01:05:09,213 --> 01:05:10,533
Speaker 24: you know, as an instinct.

1319
01:05:11,253 --> 01:05:14,173
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, and you're just fill in the space.

1320
01:05:14,493 --> 01:05:15,933
Speaker 3: And there's what it would be for a lot of people,

1321
01:05:15,973 --> 01:05:18,613
Speaker 3: right Michael. It's a distraction, and we've most of us

1322
01:05:18,613 --> 01:05:20,013
Speaker 3: have got quite a lot of things going on in

1323
01:05:20,053 --> 01:05:22,973
Speaker 3: our lives, are in our hids anyway, and to have

1324
01:05:23,013 --> 01:05:25,933
Speaker 3: that wee distraction, even for thirty seconds at a time,

1325
01:05:26,653 --> 01:05:28,573
Speaker 3: it can be a comfort. But the hard part of that,

1326
01:05:28,653 --> 01:05:30,333
Speaker 3: it just becomes a vicious cycle, right.

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01:05:31,293 --> 01:05:32,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure.

1328
01:05:32,933 --> 01:05:35,613
Speaker 16: And like what I found is I've gone through so

1329
01:05:35,733 --> 01:05:39,053
Speaker 16: many phases where I'm like, oh well, I'll just try

1330
01:05:39,093 --> 01:05:42,693
Speaker 16: and do it less, or I'll limit myself to these

1331
01:05:42,733 --> 01:05:46,053
Speaker 16: certain apps and stuff. But the only thing that's really

1332
01:05:46,093 --> 01:05:50,973
Speaker 16: worked is cold Turkey. Yeah, Like, like even the way

1333
01:05:51,013 --> 01:05:54,253
Speaker 16: it's set up, they sort of like this guy before

1334
01:05:54,413 --> 01:05:54,973
Speaker 16: was talking.

1335
01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:59,253
Speaker 25: About long, long versions of YouTube videos, but they have

1336
01:05:59,453 --> 01:06:02,693
Speaker 25: all the short like sort of in your face and

1337
01:06:02,893 --> 01:06:05,693
Speaker 25: trying to get you to click on them, and you know,

1338
01:06:06,413 --> 01:06:07,453
Speaker 25: it's pretty hard.

1339
01:06:07,253 --> 01:06:09,253
Speaker 22: To sort of try and balance it.

1340
01:06:09,533 --> 01:06:11,533
Speaker 2: So you say, just get right off there, you get

1341
01:06:11,573 --> 01:06:13,253
Speaker 2: the hell out of there, because that that is that's

1342
01:06:13,373 --> 01:06:16,693
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the attention economy, isn't it. So they

1343
01:06:16,733 --> 01:06:18,533
Speaker 2: want they want to give you as it's like the

1344
01:06:18,573 --> 01:06:20,653
Speaker 2: Pokey's really they just want to give you enough to

1345
01:06:20,693 --> 01:06:22,893
Speaker 2: just keep you staying on for as long as possible.

1346
01:06:23,013 --> 01:06:25,773
Speaker 2: How do you feel mentally when you in the periods

1347
01:06:25,813 --> 01:06:29,613
Speaker 2: that you're off way better? Yeah, you have to go.

1348
01:06:29,933 --> 01:06:33,653
Speaker 16: You have to go through periods where you're choosing boredom

1349
01:06:33,853 --> 01:06:38,293
Speaker 16: over like infinite entertainment, And it's a pretty hard mental

1350
01:06:38,333 --> 01:06:42,693
Speaker 16: struggle with yourself. But you do, like you do have

1351
01:06:42,813 --> 01:06:44,293
Speaker 16: your general feeling.

1352
01:06:44,293 --> 01:06:46,533
Speaker 22: Sort of come back to that base level.

1353
01:06:46,813 --> 01:06:47,933
Speaker 26: It's actually really good.

1354
01:06:48,373 --> 01:06:51,333
Speaker 22: Like if you do sort of walks in the bush.

1355
01:06:51,093 --> 01:06:53,093
Speaker 16: And you don't have your phone on you.

1356
01:06:53,053 --> 01:06:57,253
Speaker 27: At all, you can like seriously feel the effect after

1357
01:06:57,333 --> 01:07:01,093
Speaker 27: like four days, you know, Yeah, like you just feel

1358
01:07:01,173 --> 01:07:04,653
Speaker 27: so clear and like all that you know, yeah, clog

1359
01:07:04,773 --> 01:07:06,053
Speaker 27: has been washed out.

1360
01:07:06,653 --> 01:07:09,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess try and keep that that emotion

1361
01:07:09,813 --> 01:07:12,493
Speaker 2: and that feeling of well being in your in your

1362
01:07:12,573 --> 01:07:16,173
Speaker 2: head and hopefully that'll prevent you getting back on them.

1363
01:07:16,173 --> 01:07:18,493
Speaker 2: But good on you. A lot of people don't have

1364
01:07:18,573 --> 01:07:22,093
Speaker 2: the resilience or the presence of mind actually attempt to

1365
01:07:22,093 --> 01:07:23,933
Speaker 2: get off there. People your age, the good.

1366
01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:27,813
Speaker 3: On you, Michael, Yeah, cheer, good luck mate, and as.

1367
01:07:27,533 --> 01:07:31,493
Speaker 2: Chat, thank you for talking to us well over a minute. Yeah,

1368
01:07:31,933 --> 01:07:32,493
Speaker 2: I've zoned in.

1369
01:07:32,653 --> 01:07:34,733
Speaker 3: What a good man. That is oh, one hundred and

1370
01:07:34,733 --> 01:07:36,453
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love your

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01:07:36,533 --> 01:07:39,453
Speaker 3: thoughts about brain rotten being on social media. It is

1372
01:07:39,653 --> 01:07:40,493
Speaker 3: nineteen to three.

1373
01:07:41,733 --> 01:07:44,373
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

1374
01:07:44,413 --> 01:07:48,213
Speaker 1: ten eighty Matt Heathan Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Sai'd be It is sixteen to three, Nathan, Very good

1376
01:07:52,333 --> 01:07:54,253
Speaker 3: afternoon to you. So you're a good dad. You take

1377
01:07:54,293 --> 01:07:58,173
Speaker 3: your kids to swimming practice, but you've noticed ninety nine

1378
01:07:58,213 --> 01:08:01,213
Speaker 3: percent of people around the swimming poolar on their phones.

1379
01:08:02,573 --> 01:08:03,533
Speaker 19: Yep, that's the way it is.

1380
01:08:03,653 --> 01:08:03,853
Speaker 21: You know.

1381
01:08:03,933 --> 01:08:06,813
Speaker 19: I go there, I make a proper effort not to

1382
01:08:06,813 --> 01:08:09,173
Speaker 19: get my phone out of my pocket. I manager the

1383
01:08:09,173 --> 01:08:10,813
Speaker 19: there's miss so my phone's going all the time. But

1384
01:08:11,853 --> 01:08:14,333
Speaker 19: I look at everyone and not one person's watching their kid.

1385
01:08:14,453 --> 01:08:17,813
Speaker 19: And it's even when you go to things like you know,

1386
01:08:17,853 --> 01:08:19,253
Speaker 19: you might go to the Prish and Chip shop to

1387
01:08:19,253 --> 01:08:22,013
Speaker 19: pick up your food and everyone's in the waiting room,

1388
01:08:22,133 --> 01:08:24,253
Speaker 19: no one's no one's talking to each other, everyone has

1389
01:08:24,293 --> 01:08:27,093
Speaker 19: their phone out and everyone's looking down and it's just

1390
01:08:27,213 --> 01:08:27,732
Speaker 19: really weird.

1391
01:08:27,973 --> 01:08:31,173
Speaker 2: It's depressing, isn't it. I've seen this when I've been

1392
01:08:31,732 --> 01:08:34,812
Speaker 2: you know, my kids are older now, but I'll walk

1393
01:08:34,812 --> 01:08:37,412
Speaker 2: past the playground and you'll see the kids on the

1394
01:08:37,492 --> 01:08:41,612
Speaker 2: swings and on the on the slides, and the parents

1395
01:08:41,612 --> 01:08:44,772
Speaker 2: are sitting around on their phones looking at their phones,

1396
01:08:44,853 --> 01:08:47,732
Speaker 2: missing the greatest moments of their life really, which is

1397
01:08:47,772 --> 01:08:49,213
Speaker 2: the bringing up of your children.

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01:08:50,213 --> 01:08:52,852
Speaker 19: That's the thing about everything. Every sphere moment, Like if

1399
01:08:52,853 --> 01:08:55,253
Speaker 19: you're watching TV and you might be watching some TV

1400
01:08:55,333 --> 01:08:57,572
Speaker 19: of ads. As soon as the ads start feeling their

1401
01:08:57,572 --> 01:09:00,492
Speaker 19: phones out and starts scrolling me because no one can

1402
01:09:01,013 --> 01:09:02,852
Speaker 19: it seems like no one can deal with a bit

1403
01:09:02,853 --> 01:09:04,333
Speaker 19: of downtime anymore.

1404
01:09:04,572 --> 01:09:05,892
Speaker 5: It's it's you've.

1405
01:09:05,732 --> 01:09:08,412
Speaker 19: Got to have this constant simulation, which is just really.

1406
01:09:09,093 --> 01:09:10,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's a big part of it. People

1407
01:09:10,812 --> 01:09:13,452
Speaker 3: can't be bored anymore. It's that you know the comfort

1408
01:09:13,452 --> 01:09:16,333
Speaker 3: crisis situation. But for you, when you leave your phone

1409
01:09:16,372 --> 01:09:18,133
Speaker 3: in your car, is there a part of your brain

1410
01:09:18,173 --> 01:09:20,013
Speaker 3: that thinks, oh man, I'm going to miss that, or

1411
01:09:20,053 --> 01:09:21,532
Speaker 3: is that hard to do? Or you just make that

1412
01:09:21,572 --> 01:09:24,572
Speaker 3: concerned effort. The kids just will mean other occasions, the

1413
01:09:24,652 --> 01:09:27,293
Speaker 3: phone stays in the car and you're happy as Larry.

1414
01:09:28,333 --> 01:09:31,492
Speaker 19: I don't like what Matt said, right, So you only

1415
01:09:31,492 --> 01:09:33,812
Speaker 19: get one chance of being the parent and when the

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01:09:33,853 --> 01:09:35,612
Speaker 19: kids are that young. And I was speaking to someone,

1417
01:09:35,772 --> 01:09:38,932
Speaker 19: one of my wife's colleagues, whose kids have just left home,

1418
01:09:38,973 --> 01:09:40,852
Speaker 19: and he said, you missed them durably. And I think,

1419
01:09:41,452 --> 01:09:43,213
Speaker 19: you know, all those opportunities when you could just be

1420
01:09:43,293 --> 01:09:46,612
Speaker 19: watching the swimming. I'm not. I'm not at work. I

1421
01:09:47,612 --> 01:09:49,412
Speaker 19: can be on the clock after the swimming, and I

1422
01:09:49,452 --> 01:09:52,532
Speaker 19: can look at things after. Yeah, you know, if they

1423
01:09:52,572 --> 01:09:55,013
Speaker 19: can't wait for an hour, jeezus, what are we ing to?

1424
01:09:55,732 --> 01:09:58,852
Speaker 2: It's kind of also like we're kind of fast forwarding

1425
01:09:58,893 --> 01:10:01,973
Speaker 2: our lives as well, I believe, because you're having the

1426
01:10:01,973 --> 01:10:04,892
Speaker 2: same experience over and over again. It's it's it's like

1427
01:10:05,093 --> 01:10:06,772
Speaker 2: if you've been out and then in the next morning,

1428
01:10:06,812 --> 01:10:08,812
Speaker 2: you can't remember the uber ride home, and that's because

1429
01:10:08,853 --> 01:10:11,173
Speaker 2: you've just been staring at social media when you could

1430
01:10:11,173 --> 01:10:14,412
Speaker 2: have had an opportunity to talk to the driver or whatever.

1431
01:10:14,532 --> 01:10:16,492
Speaker 2: So I think people are going to find that their

1432
01:10:16,532 --> 01:10:19,253
Speaker 2: lives are screaming past them because they're not like you,

1433
01:10:19,452 --> 01:10:22,732
Speaker 2: Nathan Steering. You know, watching your kid learn to swim

1434
01:10:22,772 --> 01:10:24,892
Speaker 2: something that you remember for the rest of your life.

1435
01:10:25,133 --> 01:10:28,973
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of pointless, slightly amusing videos that have

1436
01:10:29,093 --> 01:10:31,452
Speaker 2: rolled past that will roll past again and again and

1437
01:10:31,492 --> 01:10:33,932
Speaker 2: again and similar things the rest of their their life.

1438
01:10:34,612 --> 01:10:36,892
Speaker 19: And that's so fair. There'll be people who are there

1439
01:10:36,893 --> 01:10:40,852
Speaker 19: who who are running businesses, who have got legitimate emails

1440
01:10:40,853 --> 01:10:43,053
Speaker 19: they need to sort out, and you know, really really

1441
01:10:43,093 --> 01:10:44,772
Speaker 19: important things. There will be people doing that, but the

1442
01:10:45,652 --> 01:10:49,572
Speaker 19: majority of them will be on Facebook or Instagram or whatever.

1443
01:10:49,652 --> 01:10:54,452
Speaker 19: That really doesn't make any difference to your life. Even well, well,

1444
01:10:54,933 --> 01:10:57,492
Speaker 19: we've got a dog a while ago, and what I've

1445
01:10:57,532 --> 01:11:00,133
Speaker 19: noticed is I want the dog. Each night I see

1446
01:11:00,133 --> 01:11:03,253
Speaker 19: people at the park, I talk to people, and I

1447
01:11:03,293 --> 01:11:07,173
Speaker 19: just feel like communities are losing the ability to talk

1448
01:11:07,213 --> 01:11:10,492
Speaker 19: to strangers and they have a conversation without a flipping

1449
01:11:10,492 --> 01:11:11,133
Speaker 19: phone in your hand.

1450
01:11:11,492 --> 01:11:14,412
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was even thinking about this the other day.

1451
01:11:14,812 --> 01:11:16,412
Speaker 2: I was walking with my dog and I had my

1452
01:11:17,093 --> 01:11:20,412
Speaker 2: ear plugs in, and I notice everyone else walking the

1453
01:11:20,492 --> 01:11:22,053
Speaker 2: dog hav an ear plug in. And you see this

1454
01:11:22,093 --> 01:11:25,133
Speaker 2: at the gym as well. So we're even missing out

1455
01:11:25,133 --> 01:11:27,013
Speaker 2: on that opportunity to talk to people even if we're

1456
01:11:27,013 --> 01:11:29,892
Speaker 2: not staring at our phone, because their phone's entertaining us

1457
01:11:29,933 --> 01:11:32,293
Speaker 2: in our in our ears, and so we beget isolated

1458
01:11:32,333 --> 01:11:35,213
Speaker 2: into these just inside our own little bubbles walking around

1459
01:11:35,253 --> 01:11:38,572
Speaker 2: even we're walking a dog. So I've started walking my

1460
01:11:38,652 --> 01:11:40,812
Speaker 2: dog and you know, me and Tracy are walking our dog.

1461
01:11:40,893 --> 01:11:43,852
Speaker 2: Tracy and I are walking the dog. I'm trying to

1462
01:11:43,933 --> 01:11:46,732
Speaker 2: leave the phone at home, and it's hard to leave.

1463
01:11:46,772 --> 01:11:50,253
Speaker 2: It almost has to be cutting, like cutting off a limb.

1464
01:11:50,692 --> 01:11:53,012
Speaker 2: But once you walk out the door, you you instantly

1465
01:11:53,053 --> 01:11:55,652
Speaker 2: don't regret it. It's fine.

1466
01:11:55,893 --> 01:11:58,253
Speaker 19: That's the thing. We can't we can't be willed by

1467
01:11:58,372 --> 01:12:00,652
Speaker 19: being available for every minute of the day.

1468
01:12:01,053 --> 01:12:02,372
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're missing out.

1469
01:12:02,253 --> 01:12:05,812
Speaker 19: On just being a community and actually talking to people.

1470
01:12:05,893 --> 01:12:09,572
Speaker 19: And I did a cybersecurity stay with my kids at school.

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01:12:09,572 --> 01:12:12,812
Speaker 19: They have this expert come in and he talks about

1472
01:12:12,893 --> 01:12:14,412
Speaker 19: what you should look out for what your kids on

1473
01:12:14,452 --> 01:12:16,532
Speaker 19: devices and things, and he actually made a real good

1474
01:12:16,532 --> 01:12:19,013
Speaker 19: point to say that your kids are allowed to be

1475
01:12:19,053 --> 01:12:22,572
Speaker 19: bored and instead of saying, oh, look, you're going your

1476
01:12:22,612 --> 01:12:26,213
Speaker 19: device to sort of make the argument go away a

1477
01:12:26,253 --> 01:12:28,652
Speaker 19: ten minutes there or fifteen minutes there of a bit

1478
01:12:28,692 --> 01:12:31,852
Speaker 19: of boredness. Yeah, it's not a bad thing, but you

1479
01:12:32,133 --> 01:12:34,893
Speaker 19: need to learn how to be bored and how to

1480
01:12:35,013 --> 01:12:37,572
Speaker 19: entertain yourself for that short time we're going to go.

1481
01:12:37,652 --> 01:12:38,973
Speaker 19: We're going to grow up with a whole lot of

1482
01:12:39,093 --> 01:12:41,812
Speaker 19: kids who are going to into adults who can't sit

1483
01:12:41,893 --> 01:12:44,372
Speaker 19: still and they're going to be diagnosed with all sorts

1484
01:12:44,372 --> 01:12:46,213
Speaker 19: of issues, when it really could have been sold in

1485
01:12:46,213 --> 01:12:48,293
Speaker 19: the first place by just a bit of common sense.

1486
01:12:48,412 --> 01:12:50,692
Speaker 2: What it's like if you're like driving long distance with

1487
01:12:50,732 --> 01:12:52,133
Speaker 2: your kids in the back. You know, when I was

1488
01:12:52,133 --> 01:12:54,053
Speaker 2: a kid, it was just looking out the window or

1489
01:12:54,253 --> 01:12:55,532
Speaker 2: getting punched by your sister.

1490
01:12:55,692 --> 01:13:00,692
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, sure, but that's fine.

1491
01:13:00,732 --> 01:13:03,452
Speaker 2: Now you've got two kids in the back, were plugged

1492
01:13:03,452 --> 01:13:05,973
Speaker 2: into their iPads watching movies for the whole trip, never

1493
01:13:06,013 --> 01:13:08,612
Speaker 2: looking out the window. I mean, it's impossible, and always

1494
01:13:08,612 --> 01:13:11,892
Speaker 2: seen her until you're about thirty, but you can feel.

1495
01:13:13,812 --> 01:13:16,253
Speaker 19: We travel to Nelson every Christmas and it's a four

1496
01:13:16,253 --> 01:13:19,013
Speaker 19: and a half five hours of drive and the kids

1497
01:13:19,053 --> 01:13:21,692
Speaker 19: always complain, how warrant it? And I say, well, listen

1498
01:13:21,732 --> 01:13:24,092
Speaker 19: to the radio and look outside. We don't have devices

1499
01:13:24,173 --> 01:13:25,652
Speaker 19: in the car. They don't us to take in on that.

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01:13:26,093 --> 01:13:28,852
Speaker 19: There's not what it's about. It's actually about spending time

1501
01:13:29,213 --> 01:13:31,812
Speaker 19: lots beside your brother or sister, making fun of them

1502
01:13:31,933 --> 01:13:35,412
Speaker 19: or getting made of you. That's the part of life.

1503
01:13:35,532 --> 01:13:36,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, very very true.

1504
01:13:37,013 --> 01:13:39,173
Speaker 2: That's right. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Nathan.

1505
01:13:39,213 --> 01:13:41,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great call. Spot on oh, one hundred

1506
01:13:41,412 --> 01:13:42,772
Speaker 3: and eighty ten, eight years and able to call. It

1507
01:13:42,853 --> 01:13:46,333
Speaker 3: is eleven to three, the issues.

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01:13:45,973 --> 01:13:48,452
Speaker 1: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

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01:13:48,692 --> 01:13:52,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons News Talks'd be.

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01:13:53,293 --> 01:13:57,293
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. It is eight minutes to three. Lynettes,

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01:13:57,452 --> 01:13:58,452
Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon?

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01:13:59,133 --> 01:13:59,492
Speaker 14: I'm good?

1513
01:13:59,532 --> 01:14:01,692
Speaker 3: Thank can how are you very good? Now? You had

1514
01:14:01,732 --> 01:14:03,252
Speaker 3: an experience of the pools yesterday.

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01:14:03,812 --> 01:14:05,293
Speaker 14: Yeah, I just got in the car and listen to

1516
01:14:05,372 --> 01:14:06,572
Speaker 14: what you were talking about, and I said, I don't

1517
01:14:06,572 --> 01:14:08,973
Speaker 14: have to reinten you. So I took my seven year

1518
01:14:09,013 --> 01:14:12,492
Speaker 14: old grandson to Historically Soon last night and it was

1519
01:14:12,652 --> 01:14:14,652
Speaker 14: packed and it was busy, and it was noisy. It

1520
01:14:14,692 --> 01:14:18,053
Speaker 14: was vibrant, you know. And I noticed this four year

1521
01:14:18,093 --> 01:14:21,133
Speaker 14: old coming sup beside me with her dad, and she

1522
01:14:21,333 --> 01:14:24,133
Speaker 14: wasn't showing any signs of being bored or anything and

1523
01:14:24,213 --> 01:14:27,412
Speaker 14: needed anything. But he actually said to her, here, have

1524
01:14:27,452 --> 01:14:30,412
Speaker 14: a look at this. And I looked over and he

1525
01:14:30,452 --> 01:14:33,333
Speaker 14: had handed her his phone and it was an app

1526
01:14:33,412 --> 01:14:38,132
Speaker 14: about how you make colors, you know, like blue and yellow, mate, green, whatever,

1527
01:14:38,412 --> 01:14:41,732
Speaker 14: red and might make pink, and I thought, oh god,

1528
01:14:41,812 --> 01:14:44,852
Speaker 14: he's missed, you know, an experience to actually show her

1529
01:14:45,013 --> 01:14:47,692
Speaker 14: was real paint how you do that? But she didn't

1530
01:14:47,692 --> 01:14:51,892
Speaker 14: need any distractions from the visual environment she was in.

1531
01:14:51,933 --> 01:14:55,253
Speaker 14: You know. It was just like, why why give her

1532
01:14:55,333 --> 01:14:58,812
Speaker 14: something like that? Were you afraid that she either know,

1533
01:14:58,933 --> 01:15:00,772
Speaker 14: get bored or I don't know why he did it

1534
01:15:00,812 --> 01:15:01,372
Speaker 14: was crazy?

1535
01:15:01,812 --> 01:15:05,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, and on you know, just on another level, if

1536
01:15:05,772 --> 01:15:09,852
Speaker 2: you're sitting beside your kid on your phone, Yeah, even

1537
01:15:09,853 --> 01:15:11,973
Speaker 2: before you hand it to them, you're teaching them, as

1538
01:15:12,013 --> 01:15:14,093
Speaker 2: they always say, you know, it's your actions speak louder

1539
01:15:14,093 --> 01:15:15,892
Speaker 2: than words. So there's a lot of people that are

1540
01:15:15,893 --> 01:15:17,732
Speaker 2: going around, why are my kids so addicted to their phone?

1541
01:15:18,093 --> 01:15:20,892
Speaker 2: While they're spending their time on the couch or on

1542
01:15:20,973 --> 01:15:22,812
Speaker 2: the phone or bringing their phone to the dinner dabs.

1543
01:15:22,812 --> 01:15:24,772
Speaker 2: So the first thing you've got to do is do

1544
01:15:24,812 --> 01:15:27,293
Speaker 2: it Nathan does. And if you were out with your kids,

1545
01:15:27,372 --> 01:15:28,892
Speaker 2: leave the phone in the car.

1546
01:15:30,612 --> 01:15:32,892
Speaker 14: Absolutely. And the other thing I wanted to say was,

1547
01:15:32,933 --> 01:15:35,932
Speaker 14: for years my husband said to me, leave the phone

1548
01:15:35,933 --> 01:15:38,012
Speaker 14: out of the beddream And I've never been a good sleeper,

1549
01:15:38,053 --> 01:15:40,572
Speaker 14: But for the last three nights, I've left the phone

1550
01:15:40,572 --> 01:15:42,892
Speaker 14: in the kitchen because I thought to myself, my main

1551
01:15:43,013 --> 01:15:45,013
Speaker 14: worry was what if someone, you know, one of the

1552
01:15:45,652 --> 01:15:47,932
Speaker 14: kids needed me, or my ninety two year old mother

1553
01:15:48,053 --> 01:15:51,213
Speaker 14: needed me or something. But they never have. So I've

1554
01:15:51,293 --> 01:15:53,213
Speaker 14: left it out in the kitchen for the last three

1555
01:15:53,293 --> 01:15:56,572
Speaker 14: nights and slept so much better. So we don't need

1556
01:15:56,612 --> 01:15:57,132
Speaker 14: our phones.

1557
01:15:57,253 --> 01:15:58,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, you really don't.

1558
01:15:58,133 --> 01:16:00,412
Speaker 2: I mean you want to make it as inconvenient as

1559
01:16:00,412 --> 01:16:02,692
Speaker 2: possible because those things designed to drag you in. You

1560
01:16:02,732 --> 01:16:04,412
Speaker 2: might get a text message, but then it will drag

1561
01:16:04,452 --> 01:16:06,253
Speaker 2: you into a bunch of stuff. You might be watching

1562
01:16:06,253 --> 01:16:08,812
Speaker 2: a movie and you want to look up, and then

1563
01:16:08,853 --> 01:16:11,133
Speaker 2: you're dragged into a whole lot of stuff. So if

1564
01:16:11,133 --> 01:16:12,772
Speaker 2: you want to watch a movie, put the phone in

1565
01:16:12,812 --> 01:16:16,333
Speaker 2: the other room, you know, make it. Make access inconvenient

1566
01:16:16,532 --> 01:16:19,293
Speaker 2: is absolutely the best way to fight it. So, as

1567
01:16:19,293 --> 01:16:21,452
Speaker 2: you'll Saynette, you leave it out of your room, then

1568
01:16:21,452 --> 01:16:23,293
Speaker 2: you then it's too annoying to get up and do.

1569
01:16:23,213 --> 01:16:24,692
Speaker 3: It side out of mind.

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01:16:25,492 --> 01:16:28,252
Speaker 14: Yeah. I didn't believe him, but he's right because otherwise,

1571
01:16:28,293 --> 01:16:30,652
Speaker 14: you know, two hours are gone by and you're scrolling, scrolling,

1572
01:16:30,652 --> 01:16:31,253
Speaker 14: it's crazy.

1573
01:16:31,492 --> 01:16:33,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just quickly Lynette, how did the grandson do

1574
01:16:33,973 --> 01:16:36,293
Speaker 3: with swimming? Clearly, you were watching unlike other people.

1575
01:16:37,013 --> 01:16:37,412
Speaker 18: You know what.

1576
01:16:37,492 --> 01:16:40,813
Speaker 14: I praised him not for swimming, but for being respectful

1577
01:16:40,812 --> 01:16:42,732
Speaker 14: for the teacher, because there's a few kids there who

1578
01:16:42,772 --> 01:16:44,772
Speaker 14: went doing that.

1579
01:16:45,253 --> 01:16:47,612
Speaker 2: Yeah you sound like a great grandmother. Yeah yeah, I

1580
01:16:47,652 --> 01:16:50,452
Speaker 2: mean that's the irony talking about the Nathan situation there before.

1581
01:16:50,492 --> 01:16:52,572
Speaker 2: People might not take one, you know, so I can't

1582
01:16:52,652 --> 01:16:54,693
Speaker 2: leave my phone in the car, what if there's an emergency,

1583
01:16:54,692 --> 01:16:56,412
Speaker 2: But then you're on your phone when you're watching your

1584
01:16:56,452 --> 01:16:58,852
Speaker 2: kids in the water, which is probably the only potential

1585
01:16:58,853 --> 01:17:00,932
Speaker 2: emergency that's about it that particular time.

1586
01:17:01,053 --> 01:17:04,852
Speaker 3: Yeah right, thank you very much, Peter. You went cold Turkey.

1587
01:17:06,293 --> 01:17:11,372
Speaker 23: Oh accidentally, I was tired and I was laying in

1588
01:17:11,492 --> 01:17:13,852
Speaker 23: bed and you know, your phone in your hand and

1589
01:17:14,213 --> 01:17:18,972
Speaker 23: scrolling Facebook reels and then just to fall asleep. And

1590
01:17:19,013 --> 01:17:23,892
Speaker 23: then I woke to these messages that for somehow I

1591
01:17:24,013 --> 01:17:29,213
Speaker 23: managed to go live on Spacebox awkward, and my sleep

1592
01:17:29,652 --> 01:17:37,692
Speaker 23: a very awkward. There was nostral flearing of it kind

1593
01:17:37,732 --> 01:17:41,612
Speaker 23: of since that day, I don't scroll same night. I

1594
01:17:41,732 --> 01:17:44,412
Speaker 23: want a movie until I'm all asleep or whatever. But

1595
01:17:46,173 --> 01:17:49,293
Speaker 23: it was deleted very quickly, and the matset saw it.

1596
01:17:49,933 --> 01:17:52,812
Speaker 23: I just got good ship, so I need for it

1597
01:17:52,893 --> 01:17:55,893
Speaker 23: to come out at some birthday.

1598
01:17:56,213 --> 01:18:00,173
Speaker 2: That's so you know, go live and then that'll that'll

1599
01:18:00,173 --> 01:18:02,812
Speaker 2: get you off the doom shot. So yeah, absolutely, make

1600
01:18:02,853 --> 01:18:06,133
Speaker 2: it access inconvenient. Leave it home when you're going for walk,

1601
01:18:06,213 --> 01:18:08,333
Speaker 2: leave it in the car, when you're watching the kids

1602
01:18:08,772 --> 01:18:11,412
Speaker 2: play sport, you know, leave it in the other room.

1603
01:18:11,412 --> 01:18:14,492
Speaker 2: Don't take it into your bedroom. You know, it's the

1604
01:18:14,492 --> 01:18:16,932
Speaker 2: best way to fight it. Otherwise it might just erase

1605
01:18:16,973 --> 01:18:21,492
Speaker 2: your brain. And look, everyone else is becoming dumb from

1606
01:18:21,532 --> 01:18:23,333
Speaker 2: doing it, so why don't give yourself an advantage in

1607
01:18:23,333 --> 01:18:24,532
Speaker 2: life by not joining them?

1608
01:18:24,652 --> 01:18:27,253
Speaker 3: Nicely said, right, good discussion. Thank you to all the

1609
01:18:27,253 --> 01:18:29,812
Speaker 3: phone calls and dixes on that one. Coming up after

1610
01:18:29,933 --> 01:18:33,572
Speaker 3: three o'clock, let's talk about the cruise industry. Disney is

1611
01:18:33,572 --> 01:18:35,852
Speaker 3: out of New Zealand, but we'll tell you more very shortly.

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01:18:37,853 --> 01:18:42,092
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Matty

1613
01:18:42,372 --> 01:18:45,932
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sevvy.

1614
01:18:46,692 --> 01:18:49,213
Speaker 3: Very good after noon, welcome back into the program. It

1615
01:18:49,293 --> 01:18:52,133
Speaker 3: is seven pass three. Let's have a chat about cruise ships.

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01:18:52,173 --> 01:18:55,652
Speaker 3: So Disney Cruise Line has confirmed it's exiting from the

1617
01:18:55,692 --> 01:18:58,772
Speaker 3: New Zealand market. The company operated it's Disney Wonder Ship

1618
01:18:58,772 --> 01:19:01,933
Speaker 3: across the Tasman since twenty twenty four, but we'll relocate

1619
01:19:01,973 --> 01:19:04,053
Speaker 3: to another part of the world from twenty twenty six.

1620
01:19:04,093 --> 01:19:06,213
Speaker 3: That will be disappointing for a lot of people out there.

1621
01:19:06,293 --> 01:19:10,732
Speaker 3: And why Tyler Well Cruise Association chief executive Jackie Lloyd,

1622
01:19:10,853 --> 01:19:12,772
Speaker 3: she told my costk in this morning that the fees

1623
01:19:12,812 --> 01:19:16,053
Speaker 3: imposed on ships is playing a big role both.

1624
01:19:16,253 --> 01:19:19,412
Speaker 28: New Zealand and Australia within the region. The charges that

1625
01:19:19,452 --> 01:19:21,933
Speaker 28: we are putting in are quite expensive. So while New

1626
01:19:22,013 --> 01:19:25,293
Speaker 28: Zealand definitely is very expensive, I think Australia is cooking

1627
01:19:25,333 --> 01:19:26,093
Speaker 28: at our heels.

1628
01:19:25,812 --> 01:19:26,293
Speaker 20: A little bit.

1629
01:19:26,412 --> 01:19:26,652
Speaker 5: See.

1630
01:19:26,652 --> 01:19:28,412
Speaker 11: I asked the Prime Minister about this and he says

1631
01:19:28,452 --> 01:19:30,333
Speaker 11: they're working on it. Do you know that to be true.

1632
01:19:30,412 --> 01:19:32,972
Speaker 28: We've had some really good meetings with government. We've got

1633
01:19:32,973 --> 01:19:38,533
Speaker 28: some very engaged ministers with Minister Upston, Hoggard, Costello, Meaga

1634
01:19:38,652 --> 01:19:41,892
Speaker 28: and also Minister Brown and we've been working really closely

1635
01:19:41,933 --> 01:19:43,253
Speaker 28: with them on solutions.

1636
01:19:43,333 --> 01:19:45,333
Speaker 11: If you could kill the cost and the red tape,

1637
01:19:45,372 --> 01:19:48,213
Speaker 11: would it materially make a difference, Yes, it would.

1638
01:19:48,293 --> 01:19:51,572
Speaker 28: We would still need to do some additional promotion because

1639
01:19:51,652 --> 01:19:54,013
Speaker 28: ships are leaving we'll need to go back out to

1640
01:19:54,093 --> 01:19:57,812
Speaker 28: market them to bring them back, but definitely would make

1641
01:19:57,853 --> 01:20:00,452
Speaker 28: a big difference. And we've had an indication from the

1642
01:20:00,492 --> 01:20:02,772
Speaker 28: line so that if we do get things right, we'd

1643
01:20:02,812 --> 01:20:04,452
Speaker 28: be able to see you change as early as twenty

1644
01:20:04,492 --> 01:20:07,012
Speaker 28: seven to twenty eighth season. We're too late for twenty

1645
01:20:07,053 --> 01:20:09,572
Speaker 28: six twenty seven at the month, but it would definitely

1646
01:20:09,612 --> 01:20:10,293
Speaker 28: make a difference.

1647
01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:12,532
Speaker 3: So let's have a chat about those costs. Those costs

1648
01:20:12,572 --> 01:20:15,652
Speaker 3: she's referring to all the fees, the maritime fees, operational costs,

1649
01:20:15,652 --> 01:20:18,412
Speaker 3: they would driving the downturn for these cruise shipping lines.

1650
01:20:18,732 --> 01:20:21,732
Speaker 3: The border clearance agencies raise their levee, so the border

1651
01:20:21,732 --> 01:20:25,012
Speaker 3: processing levies by eleven dollars per person, which the cruise

1652
01:20:25,053 --> 01:20:29,652
Speaker 3: lines have to wear. And despite the decline, New Zealand

1653
01:20:29,732 --> 01:20:34,972
Speaker 3: still remains a big part of the crew's international cruise destination.

1654
01:20:35,053 --> 01:20:37,253
Speaker 3: It generates one hundred and thirty five million dollars in

1655
01:20:37,333 --> 01:20:40,092
Speaker 3: economic output, supporting nine hundred and thirty nine jobs.

1656
01:20:40,572 --> 01:20:45,053
Speaker 2: So should we just wave the fees and you know,

1657
01:20:45,532 --> 01:20:48,692
Speaker 2: roll out the welcome mat to cruise ships and look,

1658
01:20:48,732 --> 01:20:51,572
Speaker 2: we're in a competitive market. Do we agree that they

1659
01:20:51,572 --> 01:20:54,532
Speaker 2: are good for the economy? Having people steam in on

1660
01:20:55,173 --> 01:21:00,213
Speaker 2: a cruise ship steam in, Yeah, steam powered cruise ships

1661
01:21:00,293 --> 01:21:03,012
Speaker 2: love steamship steam in on a cruise ship and get

1662
01:21:03,013 --> 01:21:04,652
Speaker 2: off and go and spend money.

1663
01:21:04,692 --> 01:21:04,892
Speaker 5: Head.

1664
01:21:05,013 --> 01:21:07,772
Speaker 2: If we agree that's a good thing, should we wave

1665
01:21:07,973 --> 01:21:10,772
Speaker 2: the fee be in the same way that we roll

1666
01:21:10,812 --> 01:21:15,653
Speaker 2: out the welcome matt to events? So you know, SALGP,

1667
01:21:15,812 --> 01:21:18,613
Speaker 2: for example, we're got to be more competitive, don't we.

1668
01:21:18,612 --> 01:21:21,772
Speaker 2: We have, so we actually pay money to some events

1669
01:21:21,772 --> 01:21:25,213
Speaker 2: to come here. But a cruise ship arriving, that's that's

1670
01:21:25,412 --> 01:21:28,372
Speaker 2: thousands of people piling off and spending money here, right,

1671
01:21:29,013 --> 01:21:30,892
Speaker 2: So let's just wave the feeders. Let's make it as

1672
01:21:31,013 --> 01:21:34,812
Speaker 2: welcoming as possible, or am I missing something here?

1673
01:21:35,253 --> 01:21:35,452
Speaker 8: Well?

1674
01:21:35,452 --> 01:21:38,452
Speaker 3: According to a report out earlier this year, so get this,

1675
01:21:38,532 --> 01:21:41,732
Speaker 3: the total economic output included six hundred and thirty seven

1676
01:21:41,772 --> 01:21:45,052
Speaker 3: million dollars in direct spending by cruise ship, passengers, crew,

1677
01:21:45,372 --> 01:21:46,932
Speaker 3: and cruise cruise lines.

1678
01:21:46,973 --> 01:21:47,333
Speaker 2: How much?

1679
01:21:47,532 --> 01:21:49,172
Speaker 3: Six hundred and thirty seven million?

1680
01:21:49,652 --> 01:21:50,092
Speaker 2: Wow?

1681
01:21:50,333 --> 01:21:53,293
Speaker 3: So that's direct spending by passengers, crew and cruise lines

1682
01:21:53,333 --> 01:21:55,732
Speaker 3: per year in New Zealand. That's a lot of money.

1683
01:21:55,732 --> 01:21:57,213
Speaker 3: So what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty

1684
01:21:57,213 --> 01:21:58,213
Speaker 3: ten eighty This.

1685
01:21:58,253 --> 01:22:00,972
Speaker 2: Texta disagrees cruise ships should be banned. Just a bunch

1686
01:22:01,013 --> 01:22:04,093
Speaker 2: of idiots doing the most base tourist activities. We don't

1687
01:22:04,133 --> 01:22:04,612
Speaker 2: need them.

1688
01:22:05,133 --> 01:22:06,492
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, that is a hot take.

1689
01:22:06,612 --> 01:22:10,173
Speaker 2: Well what is the matter what tourist activity they use?

1690
01:22:10,293 --> 01:22:15,453
Speaker 2: We put them together tourist activities, so people from overseas

1691
01:22:15,492 --> 01:22:18,412
Speaker 2: tourists as they're known yep, can go and do them.

1692
01:22:19,013 --> 01:22:22,732
Speaker 2: We take some cash off them, and that is an

1693
01:22:22,772 --> 01:22:25,212
Speaker 2: export for our country and we make money.

1694
01:22:25,053 --> 01:22:26,012
Speaker 3: Off them fleece them.

1695
01:22:26,133 --> 01:22:30,093
Speaker 2: So what does it matter if they're base activities? And

1696
01:22:30,133 --> 01:22:34,652
Speaker 2: what do you mean by base activities? You know the

1697
01:22:35,173 --> 01:22:37,333
Speaker 2: ships that used to come into port Charmers. I'd see

1698
01:22:37,333 --> 01:22:39,932
Speaker 2: them out on the excursion train, fantastic train down there

1699
01:22:39,973 --> 01:22:42,132
Speaker 2: in Dneda. Is that a base activity?

1700
01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:44,852
Speaker 3: Well, it's a good boon for any any city or

1701
01:22:44,893 --> 01:22:47,852
Speaker 3: town within New Zealand that gets cruise passengers coming in there.

1702
01:22:47,973 --> 01:22:50,253
Speaker 3: Any business I think would tell you we love it.

1703
01:22:50,732 --> 01:22:53,372
Speaker 3: We love them coming in and spending their money. And

1704
01:22:53,492 --> 01:22:55,972
Speaker 3: isn't that what tourism is all about in this country

1705
01:22:56,013 --> 01:22:58,013
Speaker 3: is that we want to fleece these guys. So to

1706
01:22:58,013 --> 01:22:59,852
Speaker 3: make it easier to come in seems like a good idea.

1707
01:23:00,053 --> 01:23:02,932
Speaker 2: Wave the fees. Matt you muppet, who's going to cover

1708
01:23:02,973 --> 01:23:06,652
Speaker 2: the port costs? Well, that's what I'm saying. If it

1709
01:23:06,772 --> 01:23:09,133
Speaker 2: means they're not going to come and over rule our

1710
01:23:09,173 --> 01:23:12,133
Speaker 2: economy is going to go down the toilet a little

1711
01:23:12,133 --> 01:23:15,053
Speaker 2: bit for what a percentage of people not turning up

1712
01:23:15,053 --> 01:23:18,853
Speaker 2: and spending their money here, then and we're we're competing,

1713
01:23:19,053 --> 01:23:21,812
Speaker 2: as we are competing with the rest of the world,

1714
01:23:22,013 --> 01:23:26,253
Speaker 2: and we're competing for where the cruise ships go, don't

1715
01:23:26,253 --> 01:23:28,372
Speaker 2: we We wanted to put the best foot forward we

1716
01:23:28,412 --> 01:23:30,812
Speaker 2: possibly can. And if they're saying it's the fees that

1717
01:23:30,853 --> 01:23:34,732
Speaker 2: are stopping them coming, then wave the goddamn fees and

1718
01:23:34,812 --> 01:23:37,372
Speaker 2: make more money overall, because this isn't the goal just

1719
01:23:37,412 --> 01:23:40,293
Speaker 2: to enrich our company our country. Isn't that the point

1720
01:23:40,293 --> 01:23:40,852
Speaker 2: of tourism?

1721
01:23:40,933 --> 01:23:42,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say? Oh eight hundred and eighty

1722
01:23:42,772 --> 01:23:45,172
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It is twelve

1723
01:23:45,253 --> 01:23:49,372
Speaker 3: past three news talk zebby for a good afternoonsue fourteen

1724
01:23:49,732 --> 01:23:52,652
Speaker 3: past three. So the cruise industry is turning its back

1725
01:23:52,772 --> 01:23:55,812
Speaker 3: on New Zealand and increasing numbers. The latest is Disney Cruise.

1726
01:23:55,812 --> 01:23:57,532
Speaker 3: They want no part of us. They're going to take

1727
01:23:57,572 --> 01:24:02,253
Speaker 3: their cruise tours elsewhere for the twenty twenty six season.

1728
01:24:02,093 --> 01:24:05,173
Speaker 2: This Texas says cruise ships are late stage capitalism, discussing

1729
01:24:05,173 --> 01:24:08,333
Speaker 2: opulents sucking up to that evil wealth should not be

1730
01:24:08,532 --> 01:24:11,933
Speaker 2: consideration for our country now. When not? When we have

1731
01:24:12,013 --> 01:24:15,053
Speaker 2: homeless people on every corner. How's the poor before you

1732
01:24:15,093 --> 01:24:18,892
Speaker 2: invite the fat rich Americans? I mean, you need money

1733
01:24:18,893 --> 01:24:23,492
Speaker 2: coming into the country so you can spend money on

1734
01:24:23,692 --> 01:24:27,253
Speaker 2: social services. If the country is going bankrupt. You know,

1735
01:24:27,692 --> 01:24:30,973
Speaker 2: third world countries don't have social services. Yeah, in the

1736
01:24:30,973 --> 01:24:33,652
Speaker 2: same way as first world countries, So you have to

1737
01:24:33,933 --> 01:24:36,492
Speaker 2: try and milk the wealthy for the good of your country.

1738
01:24:36,853 --> 01:24:38,692
Speaker 2: If our country is so screwed that we have to

1739
01:24:38,692 --> 01:24:41,012
Speaker 2: give it away for free, then why do we bother?

1740
01:24:41,492 --> 01:24:44,092
Speaker 2: At Tiroa is the most desired place in the world.

1741
01:24:44,412 --> 01:24:47,692
Speaker 2: They will come without wiping fees. But they're not coming.

1742
01:24:47,853 --> 01:24:50,612
Speaker 3: No, This one's quite full noise as well. The cruise

1743
01:24:50,612 --> 01:24:53,532
Speaker 3: industry is notorious that upselling the benefit of their plague

1744
01:24:53,572 --> 01:24:56,692
Speaker 3: ships and glossing over the downside such as climate damage,

1745
01:24:56,853 --> 01:25:00,053
Speaker 3: low balling local providers while heavily marking up tours and

1746
01:25:00,173 --> 01:25:01,893
Speaker 3: ever popular virus outbreaks.

1747
01:25:02,572 --> 01:25:05,932
Speaker 2: The plague ships. Plague Ships, there's that documentary on Netflix

1748
01:25:05,973 --> 01:25:06,852
Speaker 2: at the moment that what is it the.

1749
01:25:06,812 --> 01:25:09,532
Speaker 3: Poop cruise that look like a bad time?

1750
01:25:09,853 --> 01:25:11,852
Speaker 2: Beven says. The base activity is an activity that can

1751
01:25:11,893 --> 01:25:15,012
Speaker 2: be completed in one day and within reach of transport

1752
01:25:15,053 --> 01:25:16,612
Speaker 2: of the cruise ship. So if the cruise ship came

1753
01:25:16,652 --> 01:25:18,532
Speaker 2: into the need and anything in the general Denni area

1754
01:25:18,853 --> 01:25:21,772
Speaker 2: that could be reached by means of a short base trip,

1755
01:25:22,013 --> 01:25:24,133
Speaker 2: bus trip or a tour on a van, that is

1756
01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:27,013
Speaker 2: a base activity. Going to Wanaka would not be a

1757
01:25:27,053 --> 01:25:29,972
Speaker 2: base activity for a ship at Dunedin for example. Okay, yeah,

1758
01:25:29,973 --> 01:25:32,692
Speaker 2: but what's wrong with that? What's because some were saying

1759
01:25:32,692 --> 01:25:34,213
Speaker 2: that that, I mean that the complaint was that it

1760
01:25:34,253 --> 01:25:38,253
Speaker 2: was all just base activities. But that's fine, isn't it.

1761
01:25:38,293 --> 01:25:40,093
Speaker 2: If you set up an activity, if you've got a

1762
01:25:40,093 --> 01:25:42,453
Speaker 2: cruise ship coming in, and you set it an activity

1763
01:25:42,452 --> 01:25:44,173
Speaker 2: that you can sell to the passengers of the cruise

1764
01:25:44,173 --> 01:25:47,372
Speaker 2: ship and make money, then the system's working right.

1765
01:25:47,532 --> 01:25:49,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about fleecing them for as much money

1766
01:25:49,532 --> 01:25:50,412
Speaker 3: as possible, wasn't it.

1767
01:25:50,853 --> 01:25:52,412
Speaker 2: John, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on.

1768
01:25:52,372 --> 01:25:56,213
Speaker 29: This, Yeah, and I think we should definitely be giving

1769
01:25:56,253 --> 01:25:56,572
Speaker 29: them here.

1770
01:25:58,293 --> 01:26:02,532
Speaker 18: You know, it's the peripheral stuff as well, like how

1771
01:26:02,572 --> 01:26:05,732
Speaker 18: many people might finish their cruise here and then have

1772
01:26:05,893 --> 01:26:08,812
Speaker 18: a week or two story around his y. Probably not

1773
01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:12,253
Speaker 18: even in those figures. How many people didn't want to

1774
01:26:12,293 --> 01:26:14,772
Speaker 18: come back to New Zealand because they have done some

1775
01:26:14,853 --> 01:26:19,932
Speaker 18: base activities. I said, the other guys said, and come

1776
01:26:19,973 --> 01:26:20,412
Speaker 18: back later.

1777
01:26:20,893 --> 01:26:21,093
Speaker 30: You know.

1778
01:26:21,173 --> 01:26:23,973
Speaker 18: I mean, I'm just on a big cruise, and I

1779
01:26:24,013 --> 01:26:26,053
Speaker 18: mean people are raving about our country.

1780
01:26:25,692 --> 01:26:26,652
Speaker 7: The whole time, you know.

1781
01:26:26,652 --> 01:26:29,652
Speaker 18: And I was up in the Northern Hemisphere and you

1782
01:26:29,732 --> 01:26:32,093
Speaker 18: sit around a bunch of table with a bunch of

1783
01:26:32,133 --> 01:26:34,532
Speaker 18: people and you say, you're from New Zealand. Now don't

1784
01:26:34,532 --> 01:26:37,052
Speaker 18: want to talk to the people from England or Australia.

1785
01:26:37,093 --> 01:26:39,532
Speaker 18: They want to talk to me because you know, we're

1786
01:26:39,612 --> 01:26:41,213
Speaker 18: such a great place to come to. So I think

1787
01:26:41,213 --> 01:26:43,973
Speaker 18: we should be getting them down here as much as

1788
01:26:44,013 --> 01:26:45,093
Speaker 18: we can with open arms.

1789
01:26:45,812 --> 01:26:50,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, we've got to accept this that we

1790
01:26:50,372 --> 01:26:54,012
Speaker 2: are desired, and we are you know, we're a dream

1791
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:56,652
Speaker 2: location for a lot of people. But we are in

1792
01:26:56,732 --> 01:27:00,372
Speaker 2: the absolute middle of nowhere. So a lot of people

1793
01:27:00,372 --> 01:27:02,572
Speaker 2: want to come, but it's not easy to come here.

1794
01:27:02,652 --> 01:27:05,852
Speaker 2: So I personally believe we do not want to be

1795
01:27:05,933 --> 01:27:09,213
Speaker 2: making it hard for cruise ships to decide to choose

1796
01:27:09,293 --> 01:27:09,812
Speaker 2: New Zealand.

1797
01:27:11,013 --> 01:27:13,053
Speaker 18: No, well, it's an easy way to get here, you know,

1798
01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:15,932
Speaker 18: if they do Australia in New Zealand and taking three

1799
01:27:16,013 --> 01:27:19,173
Speaker 18: or four parts here, you know, it's a it's a

1800
01:27:19,572 --> 01:27:21,012
Speaker 18: it's a different way of traveling.

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01:27:21,013 --> 01:27:21,612
Speaker 29: As I've done a.

1802
01:27:21,612 --> 01:27:25,932
Speaker 18: Few big, big cruises, but you see some incredible places.

1803
01:27:25,973 --> 01:27:28,772
Speaker 18: You know, I'm always looking to where the cruise is going,

1804
01:27:28,893 --> 01:27:30,012
Speaker 18: not just the cruise itself.

1805
01:27:30,933 --> 01:27:33,773
Speaker 3: I mean they also sorry you go, John finished.

1806
01:27:33,452 --> 01:27:37,652
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, sorry. Also the big thing is, like, you know,

1807
01:27:37,732 --> 01:27:40,452
Speaker 18: I've just been away and you're paying, say for a

1808
01:27:40,452 --> 01:27:43,293
Speaker 18: bottle you pay ten dollars for a here, you've been

1809
01:27:43,412 --> 01:27:47,933
Speaker 18: paying twelve fourteen euro and not even not even you know,

1810
01:27:48,093 --> 01:27:48,852
Speaker 18: worrying about.

1811
01:27:48,612 --> 01:27:50,532
Speaker 23: It, you know, because you're away for a good time.

1812
01:27:51,452 --> 01:27:53,492
Speaker 18: So and of course with the way the dollar was

1813
01:27:53,572 --> 01:27:56,173
Speaker 18: and the euro is for our dollar, I mean it's

1814
01:27:56,173 --> 01:27:59,572
Speaker 18: it's you know, we should be chashing these guys more problems.

1815
01:27:59,732 --> 01:28:01,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you get your thoughts on this, John, I

1816
01:28:01,692 --> 01:28:03,412
Speaker 3: mean the key to me is they've got to be

1817
01:28:03,452 --> 01:28:05,213
Speaker 3: able to booth here and let the tourists off and

1818
01:28:05,253 --> 01:28:07,093
Speaker 3: spend money at the local shops. And then I look

1819
01:28:07,093 --> 01:28:08,892
Speaker 3: at the Disney Cruise I might be wrong. You've been

1820
01:28:08,893 --> 01:28:11,813
Speaker 3: on the Disney cruise, but there is bugger all spending

1821
01:28:11,973 --> 01:28:14,532
Speaker 3: on our soil for a Disney cruise. Most of them

1822
01:28:14,532 --> 01:28:16,972
Speaker 3: are key. We's jumping on this cruise that shoots off

1823
01:28:17,013 --> 01:28:21,333
Speaker 3: to maybe one of the islands and then circles around

1824
01:28:21,372 --> 01:28:22,972
Speaker 3: the country for a couple of days and then comes

1825
01:28:23,013 --> 01:28:25,692
Speaker 3: back to port. So those sort of cruisers, I mean,

1826
01:28:25,772 --> 01:28:28,012
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, Disney see you later. We're

1827
01:28:28,053 --> 01:28:30,093
Speaker 3: not going to miss you. But the ones that come

1828
01:28:30,133 --> 01:28:32,812
Speaker 3: here and birth and let off the rich tourists to

1829
01:28:32,853 --> 01:28:34,492
Speaker 3: come and spend up large come on in.

1830
01:28:35,853 --> 01:28:38,692
Speaker 18: Oh, definitely, definitely. You know, I didn't realize that Disney cruise.

1831
01:28:38,732 --> 01:28:39,333
Speaker 7: I was sort of like that.

1832
01:28:39,412 --> 01:28:42,692
Speaker 18: But it's like it's one of those or you can cruisers,

1833
01:28:42,732 --> 01:28:43,093
Speaker 18: isn't it.

1834
01:28:43,652 --> 01:28:46,412
Speaker 29: Yeah, then come back three days later? You know you

1835
01:28:46,492 --> 01:28:47,892
Speaker 29: put on them.

1836
01:28:48,732 --> 01:28:50,213
Speaker 2: I told there was there was a there was a

1837
01:28:50,213 --> 01:28:51,852
Speaker 2: promotion a couple of years ago, and a lot of

1838
01:28:51,853 --> 01:28:54,892
Speaker 2: friends of mine went on the Disney cruise and we're

1839
01:28:54,893 --> 01:28:57,372
Speaker 2: posting a lot to Instagram, and to me that looked

1840
01:28:57,412 --> 01:28:59,292
Speaker 2: like some kind of living hell.

1841
01:29:00,652 --> 01:29:02,852
Speaker 3: That cruise. I saw the pictures. I know what you're

1842
01:29:02,853 --> 01:29:06,572
Speaker 3: talking about. I thought jeepers. That's dystopia.

1843
01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:07,772
Speaker 18: They take you.

1844
01:29:07,812 --> 01:29:11,293
Speaker 29: But again, like I went from a rye went on

1845
01:29:11,293 --> 01:29:13,812
Speaker 29: the Rhine for eight days for one hundred and eighty

1846
01:29:13,812 --> 01:29:19,132
Speaker 29: people on the boat, and then on to a Holland America,

1847
01:29:19,173 --> 01:29:20,852
Speaker 29: a boat with two and a half thousand people.

1848
01:29:21,173 --> 01:29:24,133
Speaker 18: Yeah, three weeks and it takes a few days to

1849
01:29:24,173 --> 01:29:24,732
Speaker 18: adjust to that.

1850
01:29:25,372 --> 01:29:28,213
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's all good fun.

1851
01:29:28,412 --> 01:29:30,772
Speaker 2: But but you know, you know, on one of those

1852
01:29:30,853 --> 01:29:36,053
Speaker 2: river cruises, they just look phenomenal because every every you know,

1853
01:29:36,173 --> 01:29:39,333
Speaker 2: killome there is something amazing to look at. I mean

1854
01:29:39,372 --> 01:29:41,133
Speaker 2: those cruises, I mean I look at those and I

1855
01:29:41,173 --> 01:29:43,893
Speaker 2: go My dad went on and one a couple of

1856
01:29:43,973 --> 01:29:46,452
Speaker 2: years ago in Europe and he was just seending me

1857
01:29:46,732 --> 01:29:48,532
Speaker 2: hundreds of shots with his feet in them of just

1858
01:29:48,572 --> 01:29:53,372
Speaker 2: these incredible shots all through Europe. Those ones look and incredible.

1859
01:29:53,372 --> 01:29:54,892
Speaker 2: It's hard for us to compete with that down here

1860
01:29:54,933 --> 01:29:57,492
Speaker 2: because I've been in cruise cruise in the Pacific and

1861
01:29:57,492 --> 01:29:59,772
Speaker 2: a lot of the time you're just three sixty ocean

1862
01:30:00,133 --> 01:30:00,612
Speaker 2: around you.

1863
01:30:02,732 --> 01:30:05,293
Speaker 29: Yeah, the River one is definitely, it's definitely good.

1864
01:30:05,293 --> 01:30:08,372
Speaker 18: But one hundred and eighty people, my wife and I

1865
01:30:08,372 --> 01:30:14,372
Speaker 18: I were probably among the younger people on board, kind

1866
01:30:14,372 --> 01:30:16,973
Speaker 18: of sort of take that into a founderweab.

1867
01:30:17,013 --> 01:30:22,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I did it. I committed a terrible crime

1868
01:30:22,053 --> 01:30:23,333
Speaker 2: in a cruise ship. But I don't think I can

1869
01:30:23,372 --> 01:30:24,093
Speaker 2: talk about it early.

1870
01:30:24,293 --> 01:30:26,972
Speaker 3: You definitely can. We're going to do that after play

1871
01:30:26,973 --> 01:30:27,532
Speaker 3: some messages.

1872
01:30:27,572 --> 01:30:28,892
Speaker 2: It's not as bad as that sounded.

1873
01:30:29,053 --> 01:30:30,612
Speaker 3: This is going to be a mess of mere copper.

1874
01:30:30,692 --> 01:30:33,532
Speaker 2: It was a humiliating cockup that I that. I yeah.

1875
01:30:33,572 --> 01:30:35,732
Speaker 3: Anyway, all right then, so you're gonna ever think about that,

1876
01:30:35,772 --> 01:30:37,692
Speaker 3: but that is coming up very shortly. Oh, one hundred

1877
01:30:37,772 --> 01:30:40,093
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Do we need to make it as

1878
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:42,692
Speaker 3: easy as possible for cruise ships to come to this country?

1879
01:30:43,532 --> 01:30:45,692
Speaker 2: My dad used to say that someone's just texted through

1880
01:30:45,812 --> 01:30:49,293
Speaker 2: from from his river cruise through Europe. Another freaking cathedral

1881
01:30:49,372 --> 01:30:51,333
Speaker 2: that you can say that about that? Yeah, there was

1882
01:30:51,372 --> 01:30:52,252
Speaker 2: so many cathedrals.

1883
01:30:52,253 --> 01:30:54,612
Speaker 3: You see one, you see them all. It's twenty one

1884
01:30:54,652 --> 01:30:55,133
Speaker 3: past three.

1885
01:30:59,053 --> 01:31:02,732
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, oh eight hundred eighty

1886
01:31:02,812 --> 01:31:04,492
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news talk, said.

1887
01:31:04,933 --> 01:31:06,812
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Should we make it as easy as

1888
01:31:06,812 --> 01:31:09,412
Speaker 3: possible for cruise ships to come to this country? Many

1889
01:31:09,412 --> 01:31:11,173
Speaker 3: are turning their back on New Zealand because I say

1890
01:31:11,213 --> 01:31:15,013
Speaker 3: it's too expensive maritime fees, border levies. The list goes on.

1891
01:31:15,053 --> 01:31:16,692
Speaker 3: What do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1892
01:31:16,732 --> 01:31:17,572
Speaker 3: eighty is the number.

1893
01:31:17,333 --> 01:31:19,852
Speaker 2: To call this Texas says, don't knock the Disney cruises

1894
01:31:19,933 --> 01:31:22,092
Speaker 2: until you've been on one with little ones. It's utterly

1895
01:31:22,133 --> 01:31:25,612
Speaker 2: magical and entertainment that is worth. It's actually Broadway level

1896
01:31:25,652 --> 01:31:29,093
Speaker 2: customer services, next level worth every cent lot. I will

1897
01:31:29,133 --> 01:31:32,132
Speaker 2: walk back those ignorant comments. It was just one particular

1898
01:31:32,173 --> 01:31:33,772
Speaker 2: friend of mine that was posting a lot from the

1899
01:31:33,772 --> 01:31:37,012
Speaker 2: Disney cruise that annoyed me. But I'm a huge disney

1900
01:31:37,973 --> 01:31:40,492
Speaker 2: Land fan. I went to Disneyland and stayed in the

1901
01:31:40,492 --> 01:31:44,933
Speaker 2: Disneyland Hotel, and I found it more magical than my

1902
01:31:45,013 --> 01:31:48,012
Speaker 2: kids did. I was going, look, look it's the bloody

1903
01:31:48,253 --> 01:31:50,772
Speaker 2: Mickey Mouse. Yeah, and they were like, they don't care

1904
01:31:50,812 --> 01:31:53,772
Speaker 2: about Mickey Mouse kids these days. In fact, we decided

1905
01:31:53,812 --> 01:31:55,412
Speaker 2: to spring on our kids that we were taking them

1906
01:31:55,452 --> 01:31:58,812
Speaker 2: to Disneyland, and on the way to the airport, we

1907
01:31:58,812 --> 01:32:01,772
Speaker 2: were like, we're going to Disneyland and the kids were

1908
01:32:01,812 --> 01:32:06,972
Speaker 2: like where. Because Disneyland isn't as big for some young

1909
01:32:07,133 --> 01:32:09,572
Speaker 2: kids now, then we had to just fill them full

1910
01:32:09,572 --> 01:32:13,612
Speaker 2: of Disneyland propaganda. On the plane there and for the

1911
01:32:13,612 --> 01:32:15,532
Speaker 2: rest of the trip in Los Angeles before they got there,

1912
01:32:15,532 --> 01:32:17,093
Speaker 2: and by the time they got there, they were pretty hyped,

1913
01:32:17,093 --> 01:32:18,933
Speaker 2: but they weren't as hyped as we were for Disneyland.

1914
01:32:18,973 --> 01:32:20,293
Speaker 3: You would have love this Disney cruise.

1915
01:32:20,333 --> 01:32:21,972
Speaker 2: So I want to walk back. I want to walk

1916
01:32:22,013 --> 01:32:24,093
Speaker 2: back my comments on Disneyland. But I believe you have

1917
01:32:24,133 --> 01:32:28,013
Speaker 2: to go to the original Disneyland and beside California.

1918
01:32:27,532 --> 01:32:28,493
Speaker 3: World, Anaheim.

1919
01:32:28,772 --> 01:32:31,412
Speaker 2: Is it Anaheim? Yeah? Yeah, I think the other disney Land.

1920
01:32:31,812 --> 01:32:34,133
Speaker 2: This might be controversial, but I think the Florida Disneyland,

1921
01:32:34,253 --> 01:32:38,133
Speaker 2: je jep Japan, Tokyo Disneyland, Europe Disneyland, I don't. I

1922
01:32:38,133 --> 01:32:41,013
Speaker 2: think they they're just copy and pastes. You've got to

1923
01:32:41,053 --> 01:32:41,772
Speaker 2: go to the original.

1924
01:32:41,853 --> 01:32:43,932
Speaker 3: I'll take your word for it. Yeah, if you've been

1925
01:32:43,973 --> 01:32:46,253
Speaker 3: to those places before one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1926
01:32:46,732 --> 01:32:49,333
Speaker 3: But this person is very much against the cruise ships.

1927
01:32:49,452 --> 01:32:52,532
Speaker 3: Nah if they're almost as bad as backpackers. They eat

1928
01:32:52,572 --> 01:32:54,532
Speaker 3: and drink on the boat and shop at the foreign

1929
01:32:54,532 --> 01:32:58,173
Speaker 3: designer stores near the ports, not to mention the beep

1930
01:32:58,213 --> 01:33:01,772
Speaker 3: and pollution and evasive seaweeds, et cetera. They dump here.

1931
01:33:02,173 --> 01:33:03,612
Speaker 3: See you later. I won't miss them.

1932
01:33:03,732 --> 01:33:06,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have to clean themselves beforehand. They have

1933
01:33:06,973 --> 01:33:09,213
Speaker 2: to show that their ships are clean, that that invasive

1934
01:33:09,213 --> 01:33:11,692
Speaker 2: stuff's not true. And also, what was the figure you said,

1935
01:33:11,692 --> 01:33:14,253
Speaker 2: six hundred and eighty million dollars brought into the economy.

1936
01:33:14,372 --> 01:33:16,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's just the spend. So that's the local

1937
01:33:16,772 --> 01:33:19,972
Speaker 3: spend in the economy. That was last year six hundred

1938
01:33:20,013 --> 01:33:23,812
Speaker 3: and thirty seven million dollars in direct spending my passenger

1939
01:33:23,893 --> 01:33:25,093
Speaker 3: crew and cruise lines.

1940
01:33:25,412 --> 01:33:30,892
Speaker 2: I've seen some cruise ship passengers spending a of a

1941
01:33:30,933 --> 01:33:34,012
Speaker 2: lot and getting massively steamed at restaurants on wa Heicki Island.

1942
01:33:34,013 --> 01:33:35,652
Speaker 2: That's what we want, and you're just pumping the money

1943
01:33:35,692 --> 01:33:38,572
Speaker 2: in good one, guys, bend over for the billionaires. That's

1944
01:33:38,612 --> 01:33:40,932
Speaker 2: all you guys ever promote on your show. How about

1945
01:33:40,933 --> 01:33:43,492
Speaker 2: we lay out the welcome mat, as you say, for

1946
01:33:43,572 --> 01:33:47,093
Speaker 2: people in need, not cruise ship tourists. Well, the thing is,

1947
01:33:47,133 --> 01:33:50,692
Speaker 2: if you just only lay out the welcome mat for

1948
01:33:50,732 --> 01:33:55,612
Speaker 2: people in need, then your country becomes a country in need. Yeah,

1949
01:33:55,812 --> 01:33:58,173
Speaker 2: what you have, and it was if you think it's

1950
01:33:58,213 --> 01:34:02,972
Speaker 2: only billionaires on cruise ships, you don't know much about anyway.

1951
01:34:03,692 --> 01:34:07,773
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, David Hey, you guys.

1952
01:34:07,812 --> 01:34:09,692
Speaker 3: You're so yeah.

1953
01:34:09,772 --> 01:34:12,532
Speaker 10: Look, I'm not too personally, I'm not too concerned about

1954
01:34:13,412 --> 01:34:17,372
Speaker 10: Disney pulling out of New Zealand, not for I mean,

1955
01:34:18,452 --> 01:34:21,933
Speaker 10: the market is probably wrong for Disney in Australia and

1956
01:34:21,973 --> 01:34:27,173
Speaker 10: New Zealand, for the Disney cruises, and you know, I

1957
01:34:27,213 --> 01:34:29,732
Speaker 10: think by making a decision based on a number of

1958
01:34:29,772 --> 01:34:33,293
Speaker 10: other things, I think the port fees and so forth

1959
01:34:33,293 --> 01:34:36,973
Speaker 10: are a little bit of a red hearing. You know,

1960
01:34:37,053 --> 01:34:40,013
Speaker 10: the ships hold it's a very old ship and in

1961
01:34:40,053 --> 01:34:42,253
Speaker 10: the scale of things, a ship that was built in

1962
01:34:42,293 --> 01:34:46,532
Speaker 10: ninety ninety five is getting very close to being sold.

1963
01:34:47,652 --> 01:34:51,572
Speaker 10: And that's the Disney wonder that comes down this way.

1964
01:34:52,333 --> 01:34:56,093
Speaker 10: So they will be making decisions and they don't have

1965
01:34:56,173 --> 01:35:00,652
Speaker 10: a lot of ships Disney Disney cruise lines don't have

1966
01:35:00,772 --> 01:35:02,652
Speaker 10: a huge amount of ships in their fleet, and a

1967
01:35:02,652 --> 01:35:05,852
Speaker 10: lot of those ships, the bigger ships specifically, will be

1968
01:35:05,933 --> 01:35:11,612
Speaker 10: cruising through the Caribbean and Western Eastern Caribbean and uh

1969
01:35:11,652 --> 01:35:13,932
Speaker 10: and those places where they get high high rent, high

1970
01:35:14,492 --> 01:35:17,933
Speaker 10: value for their customers. Whereas post in New Zealand, you know,

1971
01:35:18,013 --> 01:35:20,973
Speaker 10: it's it's a long journey and kids don't like to be,

1972
01:35:21,093 --> 01:35:23,612
Speaker 10: you know, stuck on a ship necessarily on a two

1973
01:35:23,732 --> 01:35:28,173
Speaker 10: three day trip across the Tazi or whatever. So it's yeah,

1974
01:35:28,253 --> 01:35:31,133
Speaker 10: I just think that it's not exactly what you're what

1975
01:35:31,133 --> 01:35:33,253
Speaker 10: you're hearing is not what it's actually real. Because I

1976
01:35:33,333 --> 01:35:35,093
Speaker 10: spent six years on Christians.

1977
01:35:34,692 --> 01:35:35,892
Speaker 3: Mate, Right, yeah, what did you do?

1978
01:35:35,973 --> 01:35:37,572
Speaker 2: What did you do on the ships? David?

1979
01:35:39,253 --> 01:35:43,253
Speaker 10: So I was a I went for American brand. I

1980
01:35:43,973 --> 01:35:47,053
Speaker 10: was the art director on the ship on ship, so

1981
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:49,492
Speaker 10: I worked for multiple brands. I worked in Royal Caribbean

1982
01:35:49,853 --> 01:35:51,092
Speaker 10: Celebrity Hall in America.

1983
01:35:51,412 --> 01:35:53,572
Speaker 2: What does what does an art director to do? David?

1984
01:35:55,293 --> 01:36:00,972
Speaker 10: We conduct displays, auctions and so forth.

1985
01:36:00,772 --> 01:36:02,333
Speaker 3: On the on the ship high level.

1986
01:36:02,452 --> 01:36:05,772
Speaker 2: What an interesting life that would have been? It was awesome.

1987
01:36:05,812 --> 01:36:07,133
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was great. It was great life. And I

1988
01:36:07,492 --> 01:36:08,933
Speaker 10: I had the best of both was I got. I

1989
01:36:08,933 --> 01:36:11,013
Speaker 10: got to mingle with the passengers and also got to

1990
01:36:11,053 --> 01:36:13,532
Speaker 10: hang out with the crew. So I got I got

1991
01:36:13,572 --> 01:36:16,652
Speaker 10: the best of books swells mate, you know, and I

1992
01:36:16,692 --> 01:36:18,293
Speaker 10: saw a lot of the ships I saw that I

1993
01:36:18,372 --> 01:36:20,852
Speaker 10: was involved in the you know, we had management meetings

1994
01:36:20,853 --> 01:36:24,452
Speaker 10: every cruise, and you know, I got a good taste

1995
01:36:24,452 --> 01:36:28,092
Speaker 10: of what is required and Disney. Disney is a good brand,

1996
01:36:28,133 --> 01:36:30,492
Speaker 10: but it's a very American brand, and I don't think

1997
01:36:30,812 --> 01:36:34,612
Speaker 10: I honestly think that what they're doing is using port

1998
01:36:34,652 --> 01:36:38,612
Speaker 10: fees and so forth, customs, immigration costs and defouling and

1999
01:36:38,692 --> 01:36:41,933
Speaker 10: all of those things as a bit of a excuse

2000
01:36:42,133 --> 01:36:44,253
Speaker 10: because the ship will be sold. I can guarantee that

2001
01:36:44,293 --> 01:36:45,772
Speaker 10: ship will be going to scrap them.

2002
01:36:45,893 --> 01:36:49,412
Speaker 2: But so maybe Disney's not right for New Zealand. But

2003
01:36:49,492 --> 01:36:52,452
Speaker 2: what about other cruise ships? Do you support making it

2004
01:36:52,492 --> 01:36:55,293
Speaker 2: easier for other cruise ships to come to New Zealand.

2005
01:36:55,572 --> 01:36:55,892
Speaker 7: Oh?

2006
01:36:55,933 --> 01:36:59,612
Speaker 10: Absolutely, Look, I'm a big supporter of the cruise line industry.

2007
01:37:00,053 --> 01:37:01,732
Speaker 10: I think it's a great revenue owner.

2008
01:37:01,812 --> 01:37:02,213
Speaker 9: It's great.

2009
01:37:02,692 --> 01:37:05,573
Speaker 10: It's a great face plate for New Zealand and Australia

2010
01:37:06,412 --> 01:37:08,932
Speaker 10: for as far as you know, getting pickle around. I mean,

2011
01:37:09,093 --> 01:37:11,253
Speaker 10: New Zealand's a great place for cruises. It's just getting

2012
01:37:11,293 --> 01:37:14,972
Speaker 10: the passengers, the right sort of passengers. Guests who say

2013
01:37:15,173 --> 01:37:19,173
Speaker 10: guests to a New Zealand you know, they do spend

2014
01:37:19,173 --> 01:37:21,812
Speaker 10: on import you know, I know Danedin and christ Huch

2015
01:37:21,893 --> 01:37:26,213
Speaker 10: and Cardonger and Auckland and so forth, so the good value.

2016
01:37:26,612 --> 01:37:29,093
Speaker 10: They like to get out and see things. It's very

2017
01:37:29,133 --> 01:37:31,572
Speaker 10: probably more suitable to the sort of the thirty plus

2018
01:37:31,572 --> 01:37:35,492
Speaker 10: age group as opposed to young young families. You know,

2019
01:37:35,973 --> 01:37:38,013
Speaker 10: you know you because Disney is a young it's a

2020
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:41,412
Speaker 10: young brand for you know, their customer. Their customer is

2021
01:37:41,853 --> 01:37:44,173
Speaker 10: you know, kids for four or five, six, seven, eight

2022
01:37:44,253 --> 01:37:46,493
Speaker 10: year old you know, ten year old, eleven year old kids.

2023
01:37:47,692 --> 01:37:49,693
Speaker 10: Parents don't want to be drinking them around the wineries

2024
01:37:49,853 --> 01:37:54,013
Speaker 10: or you know what I mean, it's they want The

2025
01:37:54,093 --> 01:37:56,892
Speaker 10: ships are designed specifically to keep them on the ship

2026
01:37:56,933 --> 01:37:59,812
Speaker 10: as long as possible, and that's.

2027
01:37:59,652 --> 01:38:00,213
Speaker 30: The truth of it.

2028
01:38:00,253 --> 01:38:01,452
Speaker 10: I mean, I've been on ships.

2029
01:38:01,572 --> 01:38:02,732
Speaker 30: I've lived on ships with four and.

2030
01:38:02,732 --> 01:38:06,772
Speaker 10: A half five thousand passengers and you know they the

2031
01:38:06,853 --> 01:38:10,253
Speaker 10: cruise lines make their money on excursions and keeping them

2032
01:38:10,293 --> 01:38:12,812
Speaker 10: in the casinos and keeping them in the bars and

2033
01:38:12,893 --> 01:38:16,932
Speaker 10: the restaurants and all that sort of good stuff. So yeah,

2034
01:38:17,133 --> 01:38:19,692
Speaker 10: I just think that I think the brands had had

2035
01:38:19,692 --> 01:38:21,772
Speaker 10: a sort of look look at their ship that they've

2036
01:38:21,772 --> 01:38:24,972
Speaker 10: got available in New Zealand Australia. They're probably not willing

2037
01:38:25,013 --> 01:38:27,452
Speaker 10: to allocate a ship one of their other ships in

2038
01:38:27,492 --> 01:38:30,652
Speaker 10: newer ships down here yet, and they're just wanting to

2039
01:38:31,213 --> 01:38:35,972
Speaker 10: they'll probably fail that the wonder back to wherever it's

2040
01:38:35,973 --> 01:38:37,852
Speaker 10: going to go. It might even get scrapped. I'm not sure,

2041
01:38:37,893 --> 01:38:38,173
Speaker 10: but so.

2042
01:38:38,692 --> 01:38:41,692
Speaker 2: David, if we if Disney isn't the way, but you

2043
01:38:41,732 --> 01:38:44,213
Speaker 2: think other cruise ships are great for the economy. If

2044
01:38:44,253 --> 01:38:45,933
Speaker 2: we can get the right cruise ships in with the

2045
01:38:46,013 --> 01:38:47,973
Speaker 2: right passengers on it. What's the best way to make

2046
01:38:48,013 --> 01:38:48,932
Speaker 2: New Zealand attractive?

2047
01:38:50,372 --> 01:38:52,492
Speaker 10: Okay, so well we don't need to yeah, so it's

2048
01:38:52,492 --> 01:38:54,052
Speaker 10: a good question. We don't need to make New Zealand

2049
01:38:54,093 --> 01:38:56,893
Speaker 10: anymore tractors as far as how it is. But yeah,

2050
01:38:56,933 --> 01:39:01,972
Speaker 10: the accessibility, definitely, we need to work alongside the cruise

2051
01:39:01,973 --> 01:39:05,213
Speaker 10: line industries and see what we can do to facilitate

2052
01:39:05,253 --> 01:39:07,772
Speaker 10: you know, them getting in here without you know, little

2053
01:39:07,772 --> 01:39:11,333
Speaker 10: costs back, but you can't get away from and it's

2054
01:39:11,692 --> 01:39:15,053
Speaker 10: a tourism. We've got to make sure that the biosecurity

2055
01:39:15,093 --> 01:39:18,133
Speaker 10: is uphill because you know, these things drag a lot

2056
01:39:18,173 --> 01:39:20,492
Speaker 10: of bad stuff around the world and we've seen that

2057
01:39:20,572 --> 01:39:23,492
Speaker 10: in Fjordland. We've got to make sure that the ships

2058
01:39:23,492 --> 01:39:26,492
Speaker 10: are well looked as far as looked after. We make

2059
01:39:26,492 --> 01:39:30,293
Speaker 10: sure that they're not carrying any foreign bio products that

2060
01:39:30,293 --> 01:39:33,372
Speaker 10: we don't want. Of course, customs, you've got to member crew.

2061
01:39:33,492 --> 01:39:35,973
Speaker 10: I mean some of these ships have thy fifteen in

2062
01:39:36,013 --> 01:39:39,133
Speaker 10: some cases nearly two thousand crew. These are humans that

2063
01:39:39,173 --> 01:39:42,532
Speaker 10: are working in really hard conditions, and they party hard,

2064
01:39:42,532 --> 01:39:45,372
Speaker 10: and they do sometimes they do some silly things. So

2065
01:39:45,452 --> 01:39:47,893
Speaker 10: we need to make sure that you know that these

2066
01:39:47,933 --> 01:39:51,093
Speaker 10: guys are well governed and you know, make sure that

2067
01:39:51,213 --> 01:39:54,892
Speaker 10: customs are you know, that's all done and dusted, you know,

2068
01:39:55,053 --> 01:39:58,093
Speaker 10: and cost money to do that. So I think the

2069
01:39:58,093 --> 01:40:01,253
Speaker 10: short answer is just work alongside the cruise line isustries.

2070
01:40:01,293 --> 01:40:03,172
Speaker 10: I don't think we're going to lose the big brands

2071
01:40:03,213 --> 01:40:09,133
Speaker 10: like Royal Caribbean, Holland America and you know, even Celebrity

2072
01:40:09,133 --> 01:40:12,133
Speaker 10: and those of the brands. I think they'll continue to

2073
01:40:12,133 --> 01:40:14,412
Speaker 10: want to come here because there's a great value proposition for.

2074
01:40:14,333 --> 01:40:17,692
Speaker 3: The captoiners nicely said David, thank you very much. We've

2075
01:40:17,692 --> 01:40:19,452
Speaker 3: got the headlines coming up, but can you hear your

2076
01:40:19,532 --> 01:40:22,612
Speaker 3: views on one hundred and eighty ten eighty Do we

2077
01:40:22,652 --> 01:40:24,253
Speaker 3: need to do what it takes to get the cruise

2078
01:40:24,293 --> 01:40:26,572
Speaker 3: companies come in here? Love your thoughts and should I

2079
01:40:26,612 --> 01:40:30,052
Speaker 3: share the shocking crime I command cruise ship.

2080
01:40:30,213 --> 01:40:31,653
Speaker 2: Yes about fifteen.

2081
01:40:31,333 --> 01:40:33,133
Speaker 3: Years ago nine nine two, just say yes.

2082
01:40:36,213 --> 01:40:36,852
Speaker 2: Jew's talks.

2083
01:40:36,893 --> 01:40:40,572
Speaker 15: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

2084
01:40:40,612 --> 01:40:43,732
Speaker 15: with the Blue bubble. Greens co leader Chloe Swauberk's been

2085
01:40:43,812 --> 01:40:46,492
Speaker 15: booted from Parliament for the rest of the week after

2086
01:40:46,532 --> 01:40:51,453
Speaker 15: refusing to apologize for suggesting MPs not wanting further sanctions

2087
01:40:51,452 --> 01:40:55,253
Speaker 15: on Israel don't have a spine. A New Zealand is

2088
01:40:55,333 --> 01:40:58,772
Speaker 15: reportedly detained in Texas with her six year old son

2089
01:40:59,133 --> 01:41:02,933
Speaker 15: after being arrested at the US border with Canada. Newsweek

2090
01:41:03,013 --> 01:41:06,013
Speaker 15: says Sarah Shaw is waiting for a green card and

2091
01:41:06,173 --> 01:41:10,932
Speaker 15: has immigration documents. A Ministry Mental Health director will oversee

2092
01:41:10,973 --> 01:41:16,213
Speaker 15: implementation of eighteen recommendations and a damning report on Canterbury's

2093
01:41:16,293 --> 01:41:21,372
Speaker 15: Hillmorton Hospital. It found significant failings contributed to murders by

2094
01:41:21,452 --> 01:41:25,492
Speaker 15: two in patients. Police are telling drivers to expect delays

2095
01:41:25,492 --> 01:41:29,812
Speaker 15: on Auckland's Thomaki Drive after a cyclist suffered injuries just

2096
01:41:29,933 --> 01:41:35,412
Speaker 15: after three pm. Arahus on Northland's Ruakaka River until Thursday,

2097
01:41:35,732 --> 01:41:39,972
Speaker 15: where man died during a solo kayak trip yesterday. Online

2098
01:41:40,053 --> 01:41:43,773
Speaker 15: safety campaigners are warning people to check their Instagram settings

2099
01:41:44,013 --> 01:41:47,333
Speaker 15: to turn off the new location feature showing people where

2100
01:41:47,372 --> 01:41:52,293
Speaker 15: to find friends and followers. Arson stabbing and shrapnel Police

2101
01:41:52,293 --> 01:41:56,612
Speaker 15: Minister Mark Mitchell's health battle. Sildree Young's full column at

2102
01:41:56,732 --> 01:41:59,452
Speaker 15: MS at Herald Premium. Now back to Matt Heath and

2103
01:41:59,492 --> 01:42:00,333
Speaker 15: Tyler Adams.

2104
01:42:00,372 --> 01:42:02,652
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Jady. We're talking about cruise ships.

2105
01:42:02,652 --> 01:42:04,253
Speaker 3: Do we need to grease the wheels, make it as

2106
01:42:04,253 --> 01:42:06,572
Speaker 3: easy as possible to be competitive and bring them here

2107
01:42:06,572 --> 01:42:07,412
Speaker 3: so they spend money.

2108
01:42:08,692 --> 01:42:11,772
Speaker 2: So I've got to walk back my comments about Disney,

2109
01:42:11,812 --> 01:42:13,093
Speaker 2: and I feel bad of it. I said that the

2110
01:42:13,173 --> 01:42:15,492
Speaker 2: Disney cruise didn't look like a lot of fun to me. Yeah,

2111
01:42:15,532 --> 01:42:17,613
Speaker 2: I think I said it looked like a living hell dystopia.

2112
01:42:17,692 --> 01:42:20,293
Speaker 2: But it might have been just the time that my

2113
01:42:20,372 --> 01:42:22,412
Speaker 2: friend on the cruise ship that was posting about four

2114
01:42:22,452 --> 01:42:24,372
Speaker 2: thousand Instagram shots a day. Maybe that was the problem.

2115
01:42:24,372 --> 01:42:26,333
Speaker 2: Because I'm actually a huge fan of Disneyland. But also

2116
01:42:27,333 --> 01:42:30,372
Speaker 2: I said that I think the only Disneyland that is

2117
01:42:30,412 --> 01:42:32,492
Speaker 2: a real Disneyland that should count as a Disneyland as

2118
01:42:32,492 --> 01:42:33,212
Speaker 2: the one in Anaheim.

2119
01:42:33,293 --> 01:42:33,492
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2120
01:42:33,532 --> 01:42:35,372
Speaker 2: The six is my friends and I are what you

2121
01:42:35,412 --> 01:42:38,732
Speaker 2: would probably call Disney fanatics. I've so far been to

2122
01:42:38,812 --> 01:42:43,652
Speaker 2: Ford Disney parks around the world, including Los Angeles, Orlando, Paris,

2123
01:42:43,812 --> 01:42:47,532
Speaker 2: and Tokyo, and I would say without a doubt Disney

2124
01:42:47,532 --> 01:42:50,372
Speaker 2: World in Florida is the best, and if you're looking

2125
01:42:50,372 --> 01:42:52,053
Speaker 2: to bring your kids on a vacation, that is the

2126
01:42:52,053 --> 01:42:52,612
Speaker 2: one to go to.

2127
01:42:53,612 --> 01:42:55,372
Speaker 3: Right here you go. You're having to row back on

2128
01:42:55,412 --> 01:42:56,532
Speaker 3: a lot of Disney comments.

2129
01:42:56,572 --> 01:43:00,213
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just a Disney purist. The one I saw

2130
01:43:00,293 --> 01:43:02,093
Speaker 2: on TV when I was a kid. Yeah, and I

2131
01:43:02,173 --> 01:43:04,213
Speaker 2: know that they've rebuilt it in the same sort of way,

2132
01:43:04,253 --> 01:43:04,612
Speaker 2: but you.

2133
01:43:04,572 --> 01:43:05,732
Speaker 3: Know, I can't go past the og.

2134
01:43:06,893 --> 01:43:09,612
Speaker 2: Troy Welcome to the Show. Went to a presentation by

2135
01:43:09,612 --> 01:43:12,132
Speaker 2: Ports of Auckland. What do they say about the problems

2136
01:43:12,173 --> 01:43:13,293
Speaker 2: getting cruise ships down here?

2137
01:43:14,372 --> 01:43:14,652
Speaker 13: Yeah?

2138
01:43:14,853 --> 01:43:19,013
Speaker 30: He was quite interesting. The CEO his name skating at

2139
01:43:19,013 --> 01:43:20,973
Speaker 30: this minute, but he said that he went to a

2140
01:43:21,013 --> 01:43:26,452
Speaker 30: recent cruise industry seminar overseas and introduced himself as the

2141
01:43:26,492 --> 01:43:29,532
Speaker 30: CEO from New Zealand and they said, ah, you've got

2142
01:43:29,532 --> 01:43:29,852
Speaker 30: the nick.

2143
01:43:31,772 --> 01:43:34,213
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh no, I think we've just lost to.

2144
01:43:34,293 --> 01:43:36,412
Speaker 26: Troy the Biodiversity.

2145
01:43:37,013 --> 01:43:38,052
Speaker 3: Can can you can you?

2146
01:43:38,093 --> 01:43:39,772
Speaker 2: Can you? Can you say that again? Can you say

2147
01:43:39,812 --> 01:43:42,492
Speaker 2: that again? Troyce? Sorry, you just you just jumped out

2148
01:43:42,492 --> 01:43:44,093
Speaker 2: for the last fifteen seconds. Can you just say that

2149
01:43:44,173 --> 01:43:44,972
Speaker 2: last little bit again?

2150
01:43:45,692 --> 01:43:49,013
Speaker 30: Apologies? Yeah, I was at a presentation and as their

2151
01:43:49,093 --> 01:43:51,732
Speaker 30: CEO is named Skating at this minute said that he

2152
01:43:51,772 --> 01:43:55,772
Speaker 30: went to a recent cruise industry presentation overseas, and when

2153
01:43:55,812 --> 01:43:57,612
Speaker 30: he said that he was the CEO from New Zealand,

2154
01:43:57,612 --> 01:44:00,012
Speaker 30: they said that the nickname for New Zealand is called

2155
01:44:00,133 --> 01:44:03,452
Speaker 30: no Zealand in the cruise industry. Given the fact that

2156
01:44:03,492 --> 01:44:06,852
Speaker 30: it's so hard to get cruise ships into here because

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Speaker 30: of the biodiversity and the red tape, I suppose it

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01:44:11,652 --> 01:44:14,852
Speaker 30: sounded like there are cruise companies that wanted to come

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Speaker 30: to New Zealand, but they just put it all in

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01:44:16,772 --> 01:44:19,212
Speaker 30: the too hard basket when they worked out the returns

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01:44:19,812 --> 01:44:22,693
Speaker 30: and their compliance that they needed to do, which is unfortunate.

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01:44:23,253 --> 01:44:26,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we definitely want to keep the boats clean.

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01:44:26,532 --> 01:44:29,692
Speaker 2: We don't want them dragging a bunch of horrific stuff

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01:44:29,732 --> 01:44:35,093
Speaker 2: that destroys our you know, ecology. Yeah, whatever we need,

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01:44:36,333 --> 01:44:38,253
Speaker 2: you know, like what's happened in Fueler and stuff. But

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01:44:38,372 --> 01:44:41,013
Speaker 2: we want them here as well, so we need to well,

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01:44:41,053 --> 01:44:43,572
Speaker 2: I believe we want them here. A whole lot of surprise,

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01:44:43,572 --> 01:44:45,852
Speaker 2: amount of text don't want them there because there's rich

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01:44:45,893 --> 01:44:48,492
Speaker 2: people on them, which for some reason, some people don't

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Speaker 2: like wealthy people spending their money here. I don't quite

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01:44:50,532 --> 01:44:52,652
Speaker 2: get that. I think if there's wealthy people and we

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01:44:52,692 --> 01:44:54,852
Speaker 2: can take some of that money off them and keep

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01:44:54,853 --> 01:44:56,492
Speaker 2: it here, that's a good thing. But anyway, that's by

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01:44:56,532 --> 01:44:59,812
Speaker 2: the buye. So the red tape is that? Is that

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01:44:59,853 --> 01:45:04,173
Speaker 2: an issue as much as the fees? From what you.

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01:45:04,213 --> 01:45:07,652
Speaker 30: Heard, yeah, they didn't really talk so much about the

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01:45:07,692 --> 01:45:11,013
Speaker 30: fiscal Yeah, they said it was more around the compliance

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01:45:11,053 --> 01:45:14,812
Speaker 30: and the administration. But and there's much the biodiversity. But

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Speaker 30: I would have thought that comparable countries like Australia, Fiji

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01:45:19,772 --> 01:45:23,093
Speaker 30: would all have similar regulations. And I can't see why

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01:45:23,692 --> 01:45:25,732
Speaker 30: because because it is I don't know if you've seen,

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01:45:25,732 --> 01:45:28,372
Speaker 30: but the cruise ships you know, regularly visit into the

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01:45:28,412 --> 01:45:31,612
Speaker 30: ports of Sydney, Brisbane and along the East coast there,

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01:45:31,853 --> 01:45:33,652
Speaker 30: and there's there's a lot more choice.

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Speaker 15: I mean, we used.

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Speaker 30: To do a few cruisers ourselfs out of Auckland, but

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01:45:37,612 --> 01:45:39,692
Speaker 30: we found that the choices are just getting less and

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01:45:39,732 --> 01:45:41,412
Speaker 30: less and that really if we want to do it,

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01:45:41,732 --> 01:45:44,253
Speaker 30: we have to fly to Australia to get from some

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01:45:44,452 --> 01:45:47,973
Speaker 30: choice there. So it sounds like New Zealand's you know,

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01:45:48,053 --> 01:45:49,652
Speaker 30: got in the too hard basket. And I would have

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01:45:49,652 --> 01:45:52,012
Speaker 30: thought we would have didn't. I can't see why would

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01:45:52,053 --> 01:45:53,573
Speaker 30: be any harder this Australia.

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01:45:53,933 --> 01:45:56,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you cool, Troy, Yeah, we want

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01:45:56,293 --> 01:46:00,372
Speaker 2: to be in the easy basket because so there's that

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01:46:00,812 --> 01:46:03,612
Speaker 2: there's rules about making sure that the I'm not sure

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01:46:03,612 --> 01:46:06,492
Speaker 2: what the exact wall wording is, but you have to

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01:46:06,532 --> 01:46:09,452
Speaker 2: have cleaned the hull within thirty days of of arriving here,

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01:46:09,492 --> 01:46:13,732
Speaker 2: and you can get there's hull inspections to make sure

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01:46:13,772 --> 01:46:20,053
Speaker 2: that you're not dragging in some evil disease, seaweed or whatever.

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01:46:20,732 --> 01:46:22,133
Speaker 2: But imagined that would be the case for a lot

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01:46:22,173 --> 01:46:22,692
Speaker 2: of countries.

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01:46:23,173 --> 01:46:26,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's important. But what I mean, surely there's

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01:46:27,173 --> 01:46:29,732
Speaker 3: ways that we can help those cruise ships get that

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01:46:29,893 --> 01:46:32,973
Speaker 3: done easier. And even if that we front up a

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01:46:33,053 --> 01:46:35,932
Speaker 3: discount or or some of those costs ourselves to get

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01:46:35,973 --> 01:46:38,933
Speaker 3: them in here, then the return on that spend and

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01:46:39,013 --> 01:46:40,932
Speaker 3: as I mentioned before, it was six hundred and thirty

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Speaker 3: seven million dollars last year. Surely, even if we spend

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01:46:44,013 --> 01:46:46,052
Speaker 3: fifty million dollars to make it as easy as possible

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01:46:46,093 --> 01:46:49,213
Speaker 3: to do those things, the biosecurity checks. That's value for money,

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01:46:49,213 --> 01:46:49,612
Speaker 3: isn't it.

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01:46:49,853 --> 01:46:53,052
Speaker 2: I see in twenty twenty three p and O specific

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01:46:53,093 --> 01:46:55,053
Speaker 2: adventure was a night entry to New Zealand Ports over

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01:46:55,133 --> 01:46:56,772
Speaker 2: excessive biofouling.

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01:46:57,692 --> 01:46:59,452
Speaker 3: It's a great word, biofouling.

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01:46:59,612 --> 01:47:01,572
Speaker 2: Yeah and so and the line had to pay all

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01:47:01,572 --> 01:47:03,693
Speaker 2: the costs of diverting, cleaning and rear owned passengers.

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01:47:04,173 --> 01:47:07,772
Speaker 3: You bio failed the studio on quite a few occasions.

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01:47:07,772 --> 01:47:09,933
Speaker 2: Actually, look, I've got a stomachsh.

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01:47:10,612 --> 01:47:14,173
Speaker 3: No judgment or judgment, just facts, victim blame. Oh, eight

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01:47:14,173 --> 01:47:16,412
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:47:16,652 --> 01:47:19,492
Speaker 3: Love your thoughts on the cruise situation? Do we need

2224
01:47:19,532 --> 01:47:22,292
Speaker 3: to make it as easy as possible? It's eighteen to four.

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01:47:22,812 --> 01:47:25,852
Speaker 1: A fresh take on talk back. It's Matt Heathen Taylor

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01:47:25,893 --> 01:47:29,572
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten

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01:47:29,652 --> 01:47:30,532
Speaker 1: eighty youth Talks.

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01:47:30,532 --> 01:47:32,933
Speaker 3: There be it is a quarter to four. There's a

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01:47:32,933 --> 01:47:34,732
Speaker 3: lot of people texting Matt saying when are you going

2230
01:47:34,772 --> 01:47:37,772
Speaker 3: to get to your your story? Ama Kolper, the story

2231
01:47:37,772 --> 01:47:39,452
Speaker 3: about discussing behavior on a cruise ship.

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01:47:39,853 --> 01:47:42,132
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. It wasn't disgusting behavior.

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01:47:42,173 --> 01:47:43,213
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, sorry it was.

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01:47:43,372 --> 01:47:45,692
Speaker 2: It was a terrible mistake I made on a cruiser,

2235
01:47:46,452 --> 01:47:50,492
Speaker 2: A horrible horrible mistake. Hey guys, is John, there are

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01:47:50,612 --> 01:47:54,333
Speaker 2: small tourist operators in every port servicing the passenger requirements

2237
01:47:54,333 --> 01:47:56,852
Speaker 2: who are paying tax. I think the government do very

2238
01:47:56,893 --> 01:48:00,333
Speaker 2: well out of cruise ships. Cheers John. Yeah, I can't

2239
01:48:00,372 --> 01:48:02,412
Speaker 2: quite understand some of these texts saying that we don't

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01:48:02,452 --> 01:48:08,692
Speaker 2: want the money from I'm just trying to get my

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01:48:08,692 --> 01:48:13,532
Speaker 2: head around this text. Bend over for billionaires, that's all

2242
01:48:13,572 --> 01:48:16,133
Speaker 2: you guys ever promote. How about we lay out the

2243
01:48:16,133 --> 01:48:18,732
Speaker 2: welcome mat as you say, for people and need not

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01:48:18,853 --> 01:48:22,732
Speaker 2: cruise ship tourists. Cruise ships are late stage capitalism, says

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01:48:22,732 --> 01:48:25,093
Speaker 2: and other text of discussing opulents. Sucking up to that

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01:48:25,293 --> 01:48:29,093
Speaker 2: evil wealth should not be a consideration, not when we

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01:48:29,173 --> 01:48:32,812
Speaker 2: have homeless people on every corner. How's the poor before

2248
01:48:32,812 --> 01:48:35,133
Speaker 2: we invite fat rich Americans to your country? I mean,

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01:48:35,133 --> 01:48:38,892
Speaker 2: I think people are missing the gap. I mean you

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Speaker 2: need money to be able to look after people. Social

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01:48:41,973 --> 01:48:45,532
Speaker 2: programs don't work very well and completely bankrupt countries. So

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01:48:45,732 --> 01:48:47,932
Speaker 2: people coming over here and spending money is good.

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01:48:48,253 --> 01:48:50,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll help everyone in the long run. We promise

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01:48:50,612 --> 01:48:52,412
Speaker 3: you that we like bringing money in.

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Speaker 2: So you guys, some of the stupid anti cruise ship,

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01:48:55,333 --> 01:48:58,653
Speaker 2: anti rich people comments clear to demonstrate the complete ignorance

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01:48:58,692 --> 01:49:03,492
Speaker 2: of the way an economy works, ye said, lie, and

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01:49:03,572 --> 01:49:04,293
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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01:49:05,253 --> 01:49:10,812
Speaker 26: Hey guys, good, I guess my opinion on the matter is, God,

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01:49:11,133 --> 01:49:15,772
Speaker 26: we definitely need cruise ships. I've seen pre COVID and

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01:49:16,053 --> 01:49:20,333
Speaker 26: after COVID. I used to work on the ferries in Auckland.

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01:49:20,412 --> 01:49:22,972
Speaker 26: Then you'd have three or four cruise ships in a day.

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01:49:23,093 --> 01:49:26,572
Speaker 26: Auckland would be buzzing, and that the thousands of people

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01:49:26,612 --> 01:49:30,053
Speaker 26: walking around, and you know, last couple of years in

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01:49:30,093 --> 01:49:34,733
Speaker 26: the CBD whenever you'd have a cruise ship in God,

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Speaker 26: a lot of them that are departing from Auckland now

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01:49:37,532 --> 01:49:41,972
Speaker 26: aren't actually international businesses as such. There you know, those

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01:49:42,013 --> 01:49:46,092
Speaker 26: Disney cruises that we're talking about, just a lot of locals.

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Speaker 26: So I guess we need to go back to the

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01:49:51,293 --> 01:49:54,133
Speaker 26: with I guess cruise ships were coming in left run center.

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Speaker 2: So yes, it's not it's not great for our economy.

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01:49:57,893 --> 01:49:59,652
Speaker 2: If a cruise ship just pulls up and a bunch

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01:49:59,692 --> 01:50:02,333
Speaker 2: of kiwis jump on board and throw all their money

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01:50:02,412 --> 01:50:05,133
Speaker 2: into the casino and on the cruise ship and then

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01:50:05,213 --> 01:50:06,932
Speaker 2: get off again, that's not what we want. We want

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01:50:07,213 --> 01:50:10,333
Speaker 2: a bunch of overseas people coming here and dining ol

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01:50:10,492 --> 01:50:14,053
Speaker 2: Risco and blowing a whole lot of money at restaurants

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01:50:14,253 --> 01:50:17,293
Speaker 2: and other services in our country.

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Speaker 26: Exactly, exactly, And I guess another important part is you know,

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Speaker 26: in the last couple of years we've lost p and

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Speaker 26: O cruises, what they've went bankrupt or collapsed in the

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01:50:28,692 --> 01:50:31,492
Speaker 26: last year or so. And then you've also had Virgin

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01:50:31,532 --> 01:50:33,932
Speaker 26: cruises as well pull out of New Zealand and Australia.

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01:50:34,572 --> 01:50:38,612
Speaker 26: So you know two major ones right there was I

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01:50:38,612 --> 01:50:41,293
Speaker 26: guess the cheaper cruisers was p and O and then

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01:50:42,093 --> 01:50:46,452
Speaker 26: I guess more luxury with Virgins not coming anymore. So again,

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01:50:46,853 --> 01:50:49,492
Speaker 26: you know, we should be getting rid of the taxes

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01:50:49,532 --> 01:50:52,492
Speaker 26: for these guys or making some sort of incentive for

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01:50:52,532 --> 01:50:56,453
Speaker 26: them to come back. Yeah, especially for the big sensers

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01:50:56,452 --> 01:51:01,213
Speaker 26: like Aufoloing, christ Church, Wellington, Dunedin. We need them after COVID.

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01:51:01,532 --> 01:51:05,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I wonder if we can target it. Basically,

2292
01:51:05,412 --> 01:51:08,932
Speaker 2: we go and pitch to the cruises that we think

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01:51:08,973 --> 01:51:11,692
Speaker 2: will have the most people getting off the ship because

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01:51:11,692 --> 01:51:14,693
Speaker 2: they want to have a New Zealand experience as opposed

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01:51:14,772 --> 01:51:19,492
Speaker 2: to a the cruisers that are just here to take money,

2296
01:51:19,812 --> 01:51:22,173
Speaker 2: get pack up full of kiwis and take them away.

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01:51:22,732 --> 01:51:24,412
Speaker 2: Or the cruise ships where people are just staying in

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01:51:24,452 --> 01:51:26,452
Speaker 2: the casino. You know, we want to somehow target the

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01:51:26,452 --> 01:51:28,452
Speaker 2: ones where they all get off, they go and do

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01:51:28,492 --> 01:51:30,612
Speaker 2: the tourist thing. They go and visit the places they

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01:51:30,652 --> 01:51:34,173
Speaker 2: go and have a drink that they unleash their bank

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01:51:34,213 --> 01:51:38,093
Speaker 2: accounts into our bank accounts spasically. Give us those cruise ships.

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01:51:37,893 --> 01:51:40,093
Speaker 2: That's what we want. Thank you for your call. Liam.

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01:51:40,492 --> 01:51:43,572
Speaker 2: If you have, if you have lost the revenue from

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01:51:43,612 --> 01:51:46,173
Speaker 2: the cruise ships, and subsidize the port fees. Remember, getting

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01:51:46,213 --> 01:51:48,333
Speaker 2: four dollars instead of ten dollars is better than getting

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01:51:48,412 --> 01:51:49,012
Speaker 2: zero dollars.

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01:51:49,093 --> 01:51:51,892
Speaker 3: As this text, Yeah, good text. This one sees guys

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01:51:51,973 --> 01:51:55,652
Speaker 3: port fees overinflated, probably because of inefficiencies and running port

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01:51:55,692 --> 01:51:59,092
Speaker 3: companies and red tape bureacracy a bit like our councils

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01:51:59,093 --> 01:52:01,452
Speaker 3: in our rates. Fortunately for cruise ships they can take

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01:52:01,492 --> 01:52:04,213
Speaker 3: their business house where unlike rate payers shame because they

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01:52:04,213 --> 01:52:05,532
Speaker 3: do provide and come for the country.

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01:52:05,692 --> 01:52:08,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what the hell is wrong with your tea?

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01:52:08,492 --> 01:52:11,892
Speaker 2: Does not all of us have to be poor? Michael? Yeah?

2316
01:52:13,013 --> 01:52:15,333
Speaker 2: Where I want to go into it it's silly.

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01:52:15,572 --> 01:52:19,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:52:19,372 --> 01:52:21,053
Speaker 3: to call love to hear your thoughts on this. We've

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01:52:21,053 --> 01:52:23,293
Speaker 3: got a few more minutes. The text are coming in

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01:52:23,372 --> 01:52:26,532
Speaker 3: thick and fast. What else do you say, though? I mean,

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01:52:26,652 --> 01:52:29,253
Speaker 3: I just don't know if you can get it into

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01:52:29,333 --> 01:52:32,173
Speaker 3: a debate with some of these people saying that we

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01:52:32,293 --> 01:52:35,092
Speaker 3: don't like having people spend money in the country and stuff.

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01:52:35,213 --> 01:52:37,093
Speaker 3: It is ten to fourth.

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01:52:37,372 --> 01:52:41,172
Speaker 2: Just poor people coming into the country, honorable poor people

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01:52:41,612 --> 01:52:46,053
Speaker 2: in the ships. No rich overseas people that we can

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01:52:46,093 --> 01:52:48,173
Speaker 2: fleece for money. It's not going to help us by

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01:52:48,253 --> 01:52:50,333
Speaker 2: virtue of being wealthy. They're bad people when we don't

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01:52:50,333 --> 01:52:52,253
Speaker 2: want their money. I think that's the logic. But as

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01:52:52,293 --> 01:52:54,732
Speaker 2: this person says, who do the cruise haters think pay

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01:52:54,772 --> 01:52:55,412
Speaker 2: their benefits?

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01:52:57,013 --> 01:53:00,532
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:53:00,732 --> 01:53:04,852
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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01:53:04,893 --> 01:53:07,892
Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon. It is seven to four. A couple

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01:53:07,893 --> 01:53:10,972
Speaker 3: of tears on the cruise ships. The current cruise ship topic,

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01:53:11,013 --> 01:53:14,812
Speaker 3: Guys sums up New Zealand's underlying issue beautifully. People appear

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01:53:15,133 --> 01:53:18,732
Speaker 3: to not understand that without financial contributions from cruise ships,

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01:53:18,732 --> 01:53:21,692
Speaker 3: et cetera. There is no money to support welfare and

2339
01:53:21,732 --> 01:53:25,052
Speaker 3: those in need, yet we constantly hear backlash towards anything

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01:53:25,213 --> 01:53:31,333
Speaker 3: perceived as wealthy. Yep, nicely said, Aucklanders have already turned

2341
01:53:31,372 --> 01:53:35,452
Speaker 3: the once thriving Hodaki Golf into a desert. Now for

2342
01:53:35,532 --> 01:53:37,572
Speaker 3: the precious dollar, they want to make it easier for

2343
01:53:37,652 --> 01:53:40,452
Speaker 3: invasive species such as I'm not going to even say

2344
01:53:40,492 --> 01:53:44,173
Speaker 3: that one to establish itself here. Goat Island won't be

2345
01:53:44,213 --> 01:53:47,413
Speaker 3: spared either. Go you money hungry Aucklanders.

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01:53:47,532 --> 01:53:51,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but the boats are getting they're getting

2347
01:53:51,893 --> 01:53:55,972
Speaker 2: washed cleaned up, they have to pass that, and they're

2348
01:53:56,053 --> 01:53:59,892
Speaker 2: getting inspected, so they're not bringing in they're not bringing

2349
01:53:59,933 --> 01:54:00,732
Speaker 2: in these diseases.

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01:54:00,812 --> 01:54:02,812
Speaker 3: And we did say, I mean, we're not going to

2351
01:54:02,893 --> 01:54:05,812
Speaker 3: stop them from doing the biosecurity checks. Just make it easier,

2352
01:54:05,853 --> 01:54:07,772
Speaker 3: you know, provide a bit of funding so that the

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01:54:07,893 --> 01:54:10,772
Speaker 3: security cruise ships can come here as easy as possible

2354
01:54:10,812 --> 01:54:11,692
Speaker 3: and spend lots of money.

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01:54:12,053 --> 01:54:20,013
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, yeah, So my partner was working on her

2356
01:54:20,093 --> 01:54:22,772
Speaker 2: band was playing on a cruise ship. Right, people could

2357
01:54:22,772 --> 01:54:25,692
Speaker 2: win the opportunity to go on this cruise ship, and

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01:54:25,933 --> 01:54:28,692
Speaker 2: so she got me to come along by being the

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01:54:28,772 --> 01:54:30,893
Speaker 2: roadie for the band love It. So I was the

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01:54:30,973 --> 01:54:33,093
Speaker 2: roadie and I was looking after the band they were

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01:54:33,133 --> 01:54:35,173
Speaker 2: going to perform. Hundreds and hundreds of people have won

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01:54:35,293 --> 01:54:37,133
Speaker 2: the right to be on this ship to see her

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01:54:37,173 --> 01:54:41,133
Speaker 2: band perform, right, and I was the roadie. And on

2364
01:54:41,293 --> 01:54:43,533
Speaker 2: day one, the first thing I did was I clipped

2365
01:54:43,533 --> 01:54:47,413
Speaker 2: all the strings off her bass guitar to replace them

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01:54:47,453 --> 01:54:51,053
Speaker 2: with the new strings, so in the first gig her

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01:54:51,213 --> 01:54:54,693
Speaker 2: guitar would sound amazing nice. Unfortunately, just after I've clipped

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Speaker 2: the strings off, I realized I hadn't remembered to bring

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Speaker 2: the replacement strings. My job was to make the bass

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Speaker 2: guitar work, and I immediately failed and completely destroyed the

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Speaker 2: ability for the band to play. I met this Filipino

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Speaker 2: Metallica covers band down in the bowels of the ship

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Speaker 2: on a party night and borrow some strings off them.

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Speaker 3: No, I see you screwed it all up. That you

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Speaker 3: found a way through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was that was that was a horrible,

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Speaker 2: horrible A couple of hours tell you.

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Speaker 3: That is a great story.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Thank you so much for listening to the show,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for your calls and text. The format entire

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Speaker 2: Afternoons podcast. We are and about now. So if you

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Speaker 2: missed our chats on hospital, hospital security, getting cuffs and brigs,

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Speaker 2: or short term videos making us dumb, then follow us

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Speaker 2: where you get your pods. But right now, Tyler, why

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Speaker 2: would I be playing this song.

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Speaker 3: The love Boats? I mean, that's well, we should have

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Speaker 3: today beautiful cruise ships. You could call those love boats

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Speaker 3: as welcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well the love boat is a cruise ship, obviously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of love that happens on those ships.

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Speaker 2: I think Captain Steving Isaac the doc.

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Speaker 3: What a show?

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Speaker 2: What was the name of the events organizer, Julie?

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Speaker 3: So, Julie Andrew? Andrew is a mess of fen of

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Speaker 3: the love boat? Really, We'll do pretty sure it was Julie. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what a song and what a day to day. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much to everybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Until tomorrow afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Give him a taste of Kiwi from us.

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