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Speaker 2: Straight down the middle of dry Disco. Try these pocket.

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Speaker 1: Inside the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct with

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Speaker 1: Elliott Smith and Liam Napier, powered by News Talks ed B.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into rugbytergtown by Excess Solutions, salivating you and your

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Speaker 3: business to a higher level. Elliott Smith, Liam Napier Back

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Speaker 3: for another week and the first All Blacks test of

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Speaker 3: the year in the books, and that will form a

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Speaker 3: large part of our podcast in this episode, and also

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Speaker 3: stick around for Liam's chat with Jordy Barrett towards the

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Speaker 3: end of the podcast about his time over in Leinster

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Speaker 3: and looking forward to that a bit later on in

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Speaker 3: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: But Liam, let's rip in.

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Speaker 3: We'll record holding the Sunday afternoon and so our takes

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Speaker 3: are fresh in the mind. The All Blacks thirty one

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Speaker 3: twenty seven winners of course over France. What's your feeling?

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Speaker 3: You know, just under twenty four hours removed from that performance.

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Speaker 4: A lot to reflect on, Eliot. I think first and

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Speaker 4: foremost first test of the year. Wasn't it very typical

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Speaker 4: in that regard from the All Blacks twelve months ago

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Speaker 4: their escape with a very nervy, shaky, tense one point

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Speaker 4: win over England at the same venue in Dunedan's and

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Speaker 4: we went down this year for the start of Scott

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Speaker 4: Robertson's second season at the Helm, and while the context

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Speaker 4: and the oppositions different, there were a lot of familiarities

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Speaker 4: in the rustiness in the All Blacks failing to finish

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Speaker 4: their chances. I think there were some positives in the

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Speaker 4: individual performances and the attacking shapes. The All Blacks scored

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Speaker 4: four tris had three denied by the TMO, but I

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Speaker 4: think given the context around France and we can dive

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Speaker 4: into everything around that, I expected a lot.

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Speaker 3: More fair to say, the All Blacks didn't deliver perhaps

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Speaker 3: what was expected, and like you, there was some positive

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Speaker 3: moments there and I felt they were one try away potentially.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was twenty eight, twenty seven, with half

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Speaker 3: All Blacks were on top and one try might have

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Speaker 3: been enough to have the French surrender. Essentially for the

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Speaker 3: night that didn't obviously happen in the game was right

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Speaker 3: until the balance, until the final whistle.

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Speaker 5: Attack.

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Speaker 3: I think buying large work pretty good. There were three

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Speaker 3: tries denied, obviously for minor errors. You can quibble over those,

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Speaker 3: and we might do it in a moment or two.

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Speaker 3: But I think the attack showed some promising signs. The

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Speaker 3: defense less so, and I think that's a major worry

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Speaker 3: ahead of the week. It felt like the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: had to work harder for their point than the French did. Now,

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Speaker 3: the French couldn't always score and the All Blacks couldn't

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Speaker 3: always score, but it felt like the French tries came

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Speaker 3: a little bit easier, some buttoned off defense, especially early

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Speaker 3: in the second spell when France got back to twenty

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Speaker 3: The All Blacks were making France work hard enough when

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Speaker 3: they did get those rare opportunities in the twenty two

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Speaker 3: and I was checking the stats, so the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: zone and average two point three points on return from that.

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Speaker 3: The French had just five entries but average four point

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Speaker 6: It doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Just picking up further on those stats, I think the

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Speaker 4: All Blacks made something like eleven line breaks to three,

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Speaker 4: hundred to one hundred and sixty odd, so extremely dominant.

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Speaker 4: They had so much ball and territory in the second

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Speaker 4: in particular Billy Proctor's touch and go seen those given before.

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Speaker 4: The obstruction was an absolute nonsense. I think Pasilio Toossi

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Speaker 4: that was over zealous officiating. Just I think it's important

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Speaker 4: view this game and the context, and that's predominantly about

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Speaker 4: the French here. France has one of, if not the

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Speaker 4: They have clearly have very good strength and depth and talents.

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Speaker 4: You only have to look at the fullback. I won't

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Speaker 4: He's twenty years old, eighty four kg. What a talent,

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Speaker 4: this French team had one genuine starter in Gaelficku. And

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Speaker 4: players that France had left at home and that's all

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Speaker 4: very relevant even now. Yes, they performed a lot better

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Speaker 3: But what well, yes it was a second string French side,

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Speaker 3: But we're the media. Were we too harsh on what

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Speaker 3: we expected? Because second string doesn't automatically mean a major

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Speaker 3: drop off. You know a lot of these French players

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Speaker 3: but is there much difference between Grigory Oldriet at number

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Speaker 3: night some of these elections, these players have been around

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Speaker 3: had a lot of opportunity us. There were five debutants

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Speaker 3: last night, but a lot of these players probably haven't

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Speaker 3: been far from the international stage for it for a

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Speaker 3: the top fourteen have and maybe not enough respect was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a fair point. Maybe we in

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't detract from the fact that the vast

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Speaker 4: so that's the lens with which you view this all

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Speaker 4: surpassed expectations and the All Blacks didn't meet those And

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Speaker 4: you touched on the defense, but there were other areas

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Speaker 4: that were badly exposed under the high ball, particularly in

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Speaker 4: but it was it's something that is an issue when

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Speaker 4: that further when we look at sev Reese's absence going

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Speaker 4: I think it's sixteen turnovers to six. They didn't all

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Speaker 4: But I thought the All Blacks were quite slow to

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Speaker 4: but he was under pressure a lot. He ran a

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Speaker 4: putting on massive pressure there and he wasn't quite able

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Speaker 6: He didn't have that time.

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Speaker 4: So there's a few key areas to work on before

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Speaker 3: If you look at a lot of the stats, the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks should have won and won comfortably. And we

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Speaker 3: That was one of the stats that doesn't align with

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Speaker 3: their performance in that game last night. They forced the

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Speaker 3: Blacks had to do themselves, two hundred and twenty versus

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Speaker 3: a lot of work. And yet you know, and then

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Speaker 3: you look another stat the penalty is considered nine to three.

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Speaker 3: The discipline's outstanding last night, buying large from an All

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Speaker 2: So you're right.

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Speaker 3: You have to look through the prism of this French

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Speaker 3: we know this slow starters. They've only had ten days,

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Speaker 3: you know, if that in camp together. But it seems

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there is a positive lens you can view

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Speaker 4: seven tries. Now two of those were probably rightly ruled out,

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Speaker 2: Was that one for a touch?

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Speaker 4: Grubbers through didn't always come off, but the intent was there.

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Speaker 4: And Will Jordan scored two tries shifting out to the wing,

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Speaker 4: those three players really stood up. So they're creating a lot.

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Speaker 4: But this is this was the major focus from the

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Speaker 4: All Blacks, wasn't it that they wanted to come into

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Speaker 4: this year have a much greater accuracy and they're finishing

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Speaker 6: And they didn't do that.

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Speaker 3: It felt like they played fast and that created some

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Speaker 3: When you play fast, there will be eras. There as well.

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Speaker 3: France wanted to slow it down. France looked quite tired,

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Speaker 3: I thought around the half hour mark, and then halftime

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Speaker 3: the right time, probably pulled the trigger earlier than maybe

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Speaker 3: which I thought was pretty smart coaching from Fabian Gualtier,

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Speaker 3: As you know, the tiring bodies came through. So I

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Speaker 3: think the French handled that game smartly. And look they

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Speaker 3: got into the closing stages and it was thirty one

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Speaker 3: as we could be talking about in All Blacks loss. Really,

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Speaker 3: if something a bit different in that last couple of minutes.

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Speaker 4: Well the French shouldn't have been within touching distance. The

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Speaker 4: All Blacks should have put them away. And that's what

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Speaker 4: we need to see, that ruthless edge from this All

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Speaker 4: because it's their first Test of the year, but that

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Speaker 3: No one wants to see three blokes in green jerseys

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Speaker 4: It just needs to come in when it's absolutely blatantly

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Speaker 4: good money to come to the venue. You want people

436
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Speaker 4: there and the clueless as to what's going on.

437
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Speaker 3: Say what you like about Super Rugby, but they've tightened

438
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Speaker 3: it up to the point where it's entertainment first, it's

439
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Speaker 3: product first, and then according to our quality Greg Apaul. Basically,

440
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Speaker 3: the Super Raby officials were told in a conference called

441
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Speaker 3: before the semi finals by Joel Jut the World rug

442
00:23:04,053 --> 00:23:05,773
Speaker 3: we are free that they needed to be on the

443
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Speaker 3: lookout for more things and that's why you saw more

444
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Speaker 3: cards in the playoffs. So we're getting to the point

445
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Speaker 3: where Super Ruby's puttingentertainment first. World Rugby is putting its

446
00:23:13,373 --> 00:23:17,173
Speaker 3: rule book first and the precision first. And you are

447
00:23:17,213 --> 00:23:19,533
Speaker 3: never going to win new fans by that World Rugby

448
00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:24,093
Speaker 3: talks about, you know, getting USA getting into other markets. Well,

449
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Speaker 3: if that's your show piece product, then you're sorely, sorely

450
00:23:27,733 --> 00:23:30,093
Speaker 3: lacking and I just do not see them interested in

451
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Speaker 3: fixing it and it's just absolutely doing my heaven to

452
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Speaker 3: be quite honest, the way that Test rugby is officiated.

453
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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I think you need to put the power

454
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Speaker 4: in the officials on the field and there's a responsibility

455
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Speaker 4: that goes then to the fan and media and everyone

456
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Speaker 4: to accept that there is going to be some mistakes.

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and I think people yeah, yeah, you talk

458
00:23:56,253 --> 00:23:58,373
Speaker 3: about wrong referring decision, that's part of the game and

459
00:23:58,693 --> 00:24:01,093
Speaker 3: you're still getting things wrong at TMI level. We're debating

460
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Speaker 3: whether that abstruction will was correct. Last night the assistant referee,

461
00:24:05,893 --> 00:24:10,413
Speaker 3: Christoph Ridley of England disagreed with what Nick Barry was

462
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Speaker 3: seeing on the screen. So did we get a perfect

463
00:24:13,293 --> 00:24:15,653
Speaker 3: call there, No, we didn't. The TMOS come down and

464
00:24:15,933 --> 00:24:20,373
Speaker 3: said it substruction, but we're still disagreeing over it. So

465
00:24:20,413 --> 00:24:22,213
Speaker 3: we're adding a fourth set of eyes by something that

466
00:24:22,293 --> 00:24:25,053
Speaker 3: wasn't captured by three set of eyes on the park.

467
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Speaker 3: It wasn't clear and obvious, so it just it was

468
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Speaker 3: cleared by Nick Berry, I think on the park and

469
00:24:31,573 --> 00:24:33,173
Speaker 3: he said it was fine with it. Get shown some

470
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Speaker 3: evidence of the big screen changes his mind. But we're

471
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Speaker 3: adding more sets of eyes in the game's getting worse,

472
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Speaker 3: so I really don't know what to think. Let's stop

473
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Speaker 3: talking about it because I'm get skinned for you annoyed

474
00:24:43,533 --> 00:24:46,213
Speaker 3: changes for this week the third Test, sorry, second Test,

475
00:24:46,253 --> 00:24:49,053
Speaker 3: getting hit myself in Wellington, sever Us will not be there,

476
00:24:51,013 --> 00:24:54,093
Speaker 3: Scott Barrett has and Achilles issued not sure whether it's

477
00:24:54,133 --> 00:24:58,493
Speaker 3: serious or not. We'll probably find out Monday Tuesday as

478
00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:00,453
Speaker 3: to that, or maybe Thursday when the team is named.

479
00:25:01,853 --> 00:25:04,093
Speaker 3: So first and foremost, who you're putting on the right

480
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Speaker 3: wing in place of sever Res.

481
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Speaker 4: I'm sticking well with what we saw for seventy nine minutes.

482
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Speaker 4: I'd put Jordan to the wing and I'd have Damien

483
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Speaker 4: McKenzie at fullback. I quite like that combination. I think

484
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Speaker 4: it's got a lot of strike and Jordan is very

485
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Speaker 4: good in the air, and France are going to kick

486
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Speaker 4: a lot again, that's them, o they That's how they play.

487
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Speaker 4: So whoever you pick on the wing is going to

488
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Speaker 4: be peppered with kicks. So if you're looking at some

489
00:25:36,893 --> 00:25:39,813
Speaker 4: of the other options are a lot more risky. Rico

490
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Speaker 4: Owani and Caleb Clark are almost exclusively left wingers. Ruben

491
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Speaker 4: Love has played ten minutes of Test rugby on the

492
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Speaker 4: wing and is quite short, and that's a risk and

493
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Speaker 4: amani that I would love to see get a crack,

494
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Speaker 4: but he's in the squad as injury cover, so I

495
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Speaker 4: don't see them going that way.

496
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Speaker 6: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: I suspect you're probably right. Look, I would love to

498
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Speaker 3: see Reubin Love get a crack on the right wing.

499
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Speaker 3: I do think he's got the attributes to be a

500
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Speaker 3: test make sing. You are right, he is short, but

501
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Speaker 3: I think he has the pace and the ability to

502
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Speaker 3: do that. But it would be a big risk to

503
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Speaker 3: do it, because Scott Robinson said at the media conference

504
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Speaker 3: last night was it was you know, we've seen the

505
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Speaker 3: way they play. There wasn't a lot of innovation. Put

506
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Speaker 3: it that way. They were clearly kicking a lot. You

507
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Speaker 3: wouldn't expect to change that too much for test too.

508
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Speaker 3: So I suspect you're probably right, but I would like

509
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Speaker 3: to see Ruben Love getting go.

510
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Speaker 6: Regardless of who starts on the right.

511
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Speaker 4: I'd be starting Caleb Clark on the left because he

512
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Speaker 4: is your best winger in the air and so that's

513
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Speaker 4: one very easy fix. And yeah, yeah, he didn't have

514
00:26:50,893 --> 00:26:53,253
Speaker 4: a good a great Super Rugby campaign. Some of that's

515
00:26:53,253 --> 00:26:56,333
Speaker 4: down to the Blues and their style. Didn't score a try,

516
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Speaker 4: but they put faith in them. He's one of two

517
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Speaker 4: specialist wingers in the squad and I'd give him a crack.

518
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Speaker 3: Okay, we'll take a break here on Rugby Dick come

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Speaker 3: back with the second half of the podcast after this

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Speaker 3: could to save our friends SAT Access solutions.

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Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

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Speaker 2: Take him before a times.

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Speaker 1: Badies talks to me.

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Speaker 3: You're back with Rugby Direct. Time now for the second

527
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Speaker 3: half of the podcast. Stick around as well. Jordy Barrett's

528
00:27:36,173 --> 00:27:39,533
Speaker 3: Limbs interview with him coming along very shortly as well.

529
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Speaker 3: First and foremost results for the year. There's thirteen tests

530
00:27:43,613 --> 00:27:45,693
Speaker 3: for the All Blacks. They've got one on the board.

531
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Speaker 3: So how many wins do they end with? How many losses?

532
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Speaker 4: I'm going to say they win eleven Elliotts. It's a

533
00:27:54,733 --> 00:27:59,333
Speaker 4: tougher schedule than many All Black fans would probably perceive.

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Speaker 4: Straight off the baut I think there'd be an expectation

535
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Speaker 4: that the All Blacks will go to Argentina and do

536
00:28:04,333 --> 00:28:07,973
Speaker 4: that reasonably comfortably I think the context of that tour

537
00:28:09,293 --> 00:28:11,413
Speaker 4: has changed in recent years that the Pumas are a

538
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Speaker 4: team that.

539
00:28:11,773 --> 00:28:14,533
Speaker 2: Have knocked off not England this morning.

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Speaker 4: No, no, the Pomaers did make a few changes blooded

541
00:28:17,693 --> 00:28:20,013
Speaker 4: a few rookies in that game as well. But the

542
00:28:20,013 --> 00:28:23,293
Speaker 4: Pumers have knocked off the Wallabies, the Spring Box, the

543
00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:26,693
Speaker 4: All Blacks, England and the British and Irish Lions, so

544
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:29,053
Speaker 4: that they are they are a real team and it

545
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Speaker 4: will be a tough tour. I can see the All

546
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Speaker 4: Blacks going one on one with the Box in New

547
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Speaker 4: Zealand's I think maybe when I eaton Park maybe losing.

548
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Speaker 2: Wellings Yeah be new, wouldn't it?

549
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Speaker 4: And I will back the All Blacks to get better

550
00:28:43,693 --> 00:28:46,813
Speaker 4: throughout the year and I think they can go unbeaten

551
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Speaker 4: on the Northern tour.

552
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Speaker 3: I have the same school line, the same yeah, eleven

553
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Speaker 3: and two. I think for the year. The loss I

554
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Speaker 3: think comes against South Africa and you know what, I

555
00:29:03,693 --> 00:29:07,333
Speaker 3: think they might actually drop the Wallabies test potentially maybe

556
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Speaker 3: in Perth.

557
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Speaker 2: This year.

558
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Speaker 3: The reasoning for that is they played the first game

559
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Speaker 3: at eden Park, Blitzslow Cup might be safe by that

560
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Speaker 3: point go over to Perth. They've lost there before, That's

561
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Speaker 3: what I've got at this point. South African Waraby's which

562
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Speaker 3: you know there could be more, but it is a

563
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Speaker 3: tricky year in Argentina is an interesting one, isn't it

564
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Speaker 3: because there is almost the final frontier for this Argentina

565
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Speaker 3: team in terms of outside of a World Cup, you know,

566
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Speaker 3: beating the All Blacks on their home you know, on

567
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Speaker 3: Argentina's home soil. They've managed to do it in Australia once,

568
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand twice. There was a lot of expectation

569
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Speaker 3: maybe in twenty twenty three that they could do it

570
00:29:47,213 --> 00:29:49,533
Speaker 3: there the All Blacks boom off the park. A couple

571
00:29:49,613 --> 00:29:52,093
Speaker 3: of track, tricky tests you know for the All Blacks

572
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Speaker 3: and building Argentina team under flippecontopomy, could happen.

573
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Speaker 6: Could happen?

574
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Poops probably struggle with expectation, don't they. They're

575
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Speaker 4: a motive beast and that probably doesn't help them at home,

576
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Speaker 4: but it will certainly be right up there for them

577
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Speaker 4: in terms of make or break of the year. And yeah,

578
00:30:13,973 --> 00:30:17,733
Speaker 4: the All Blacks have the capacity to be complacent against

579
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Speaker 4: the Wallabies when you look at their test calendar and

580
00:30:20,453 --> 00:30:24,053
Speaker 4: what they want to achieve, a Grand Slam, defending Eden Park,

581
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Speaker 4: going to Argentina and maintaining your being status over there.

582
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Speaker 4: Winning the bledders Low is important, but the Wallaby's.

583
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Speaker 5: Given the or.

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Speaker 4: Black's recent record, I think, yeah, there is real risk

585
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Speaker 4: in that there's.

586
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Speaker 3: Me on top or two in the final four. Was

587
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Speaker 3: certainly a busy weekend of rugby around the rest of

588
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Speaker 3: the globe. We had the Maldi All Blacks and Action,

589
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Speaker 3: the Black Friends Black Fans fifteen. We've had the aforementioned

590
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Speaker 3: Argentina England game. We had Japan continuing Wales losing street.

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Speaker 3: I think last week you see that Wales would have

592
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Speaker 3: anyone left on the.

593
00:31:00,213 --> 00:31:02,653
Speaker 6: I need to make an apology, public apology to.

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Speaker 2: Wales because I think they've still got one two.

595
00:31:08,813 --> 00:31:12,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, the open side, Yeah, Jack Morgan, Well they couldn't

596
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Speaker 3: win in Japan.

597
00:31:13,773 --> 00:31:16,813
Speaker 6: No eighteen losses in a row looking good.

598
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Speaker 3: What's stood out, I guess from the rest of the

599
00:31:19,853 --> 00:31:21,773
Speaker 3: Wartor is pushing the British and Irish lines of the

600
00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:24,653
Speaker 3: fifteen to one outsiders at the tab. There's a lot

601
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Speaker 3: to catch up on in the last twenty four hours.

602
00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:28,533
Speaker 3: Didn't see a great deal of it, but what stood

603
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Speaker 3: out to you results.

604
00:31:29,693 --> 00:31:33,253
Speaker 4: Was, Yeah, the black Fern said the undersquad trial didn't

605
00:31:33,293 --> 00:31:35,733
Speaker 4: catch a lot of that on a very busy Saturday

606
00:31:35,813 --> 00:31:39,173
Speaker 4: saw but some pieces of the Mauldy All Blacks in

607
00:31:39,213 --> 00:31:43,413
Speaker 4: between walking a foresyth bar that was quite an engrossing

608
00:31:43,493 --> 00:31:48,933
Speaker 4: encounter went eighty five minutes and a surprise results because

609
00:31:49,013 --> 00:31:51,573
Speaker 4: that Scotland team's missing eight players with the British and

610
00:31:51,613 --> 00:31:53,653
Speaker 4: Irish lines and it's probably a game that the Mouldy

611
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Speaker 4: All Blacks.

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00:31:54,493 --> 00:31:59,453
Speaker 6: Should have won. And really bad finish to that game.

613
00:31:59,493 --> 00:32:03,453
Speaker 4: They Scotland went down one man, they had two or

614
00:32:03,533 --> 00:32:07,213
Speaker 4: three rolling all opportunities and just blew it and really

615
00:32:07,213 --> 00:32:09,133
Speaker 4: struggled under the highball as I mentioned earlier.

616
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Speaker 6: So yeah, big ups to Scotland.

617
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Speaker 4: There was a great result for a development team that

618
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Speaker 4: Gregor towns ends is brought out here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think that the WATA surprised didn't see them being

621
00:32:21,453 --> 00:32:24,293
Speaker 4: that competitive, but I wouldn't read too much into that

622
00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:25,933
Speaker 4: in the context of the lines story though.

623
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Speaker 5: No.

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00:32:27,213 --> 00:32:29,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Motorle Week's definitely struggle around the high ball,

625
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Speaker 3: including t K Howden. I don't know if you saw

626
00:32:32,053 --> 00:32:34,413
Speaker 3: quit up with this, but yeah Rivers Rayharnah with the

627
00:32:34,933 --> 00:32:38,493
Speaker 3: clearing crossfield bomb from inside his ingole that didn't really

628
00:32:38,533 --> 00:32:40,453
Speaker 3: go any weird tk hout and smacks it dead, which

629
00:32:40,493 --> 00:32:44,413
Speaker 3: of course you cannot do yellow carded. So yeah, it

630
00:32:44,453 --> 00:32:46,813
Speaker 3: wasn't the best in the Maldi All Blacks and that's

631
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Speaker 3: the end of their season. You know, two games, one

632
00:32:48,853 --> 00:32:53,133
Speaker 3: in Japan, one in Scotland. They're in a trickle.

633
00:32:52,173 --> 00:32:53,613
Speaker 2: Player excuse me. The Mauldi All Blacks as well.

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Speaker 3: I know they want more international fextures, but they're very

635
00:32:55,693 --> 00:32:59,973
Speaker 3: much consigned to playing Japan and you know, weakend tourading teams.

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00:33:01,053 --> 00:33:02,733
Speaker 3: It'd be great to have them part of the Pacific

637
00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:06,533
Speaker 3: Nations Cup, for example against Fiji and some more and

638
00:33:06,813 --> 00:33:10,133
Speaker 3: things like that, but sort of hasn't quite happened for

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00:33:10,173 --> 00:33:11,133
Speaker 3: them as yet.

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Speaker 2: Topic three.

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Speaker 3: Interesting comment in the Godt that we're musing over in

642
00:33:17,653 --> 00:33:20,413
Speaker 3: one of the local cafes, Vocal Street Kitchen, which very

643
00:33:20,493 --> 00:33:23,893
Speaker 3: very good reading Hayden Mikaels, Colin and the oly T

644
00:33:24,013 --> 00:33:26,413
Speaker 3: on a Saturday saying that he suspects that Daneeda may

645
00:33:26,413 --> 00:33:28,853
Speaker 3: not get another test for the next three years, so

646
00:33:28,933 --> 00:33:31,973
Speaker 3: back until twenty twenty eight and you go cheapest three years.

647
00:33:32,013 --> 00:33:34,973
Speaker 3: But when you break it down, there is a possibility

648
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Speaker 3: Liam that they don't get a test rug test game

649
00:33:37,373 --> 00:33:40,773
Speaker 3: for the next three years. There'll be four test matches

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Speaker 3: at home from our understanding, our reporting next year with

651
00:33:44,253 --> 00:33:47,893
Speaker 3: the to be confirmed it is happening. South Arien too

652
00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:51,613
Speaker 3: be three in the nation's cut window in July. Then

653
00:33:51,613 --> 00:33:55,613
Speaker 3: a blue islow so christ Church comes online next year,

654
00:33:56,253 --> 00:33:59,613
Speaker 3: Auckland will get at least one, maybe two. Where does

655
00:33:59,653 --> 00:34:01,133
Speaker 3: the other one go? Does it go to Wellington? Does

656
00:34:01,133 --> 00:34:04,213
Speaker 3: it go to Dunedin, does it go to Hamilton? Real

657
00:34:04,213 --> 00:34:07,653
Speaker 3: squeeze on there. And then twenty twenty seven there's probably

658
00:34:07,693 --> 00:34:09,573
Speaker 3: going to be only two home tests before the Rugby

659
00:34:09,573 --> 00:34:12,253
Speaker 3: World Cup, so that does leave twenty twenty eight. So

660
00:34:13,613 --> 00:34:15,533
Speaker 3: hater meekle might be right there and that'd be a

661
00:34:15,573 --> 00:34:17,213
Speaker 3: real shame for Dunedin if it is the case.

662
00:34:17,573 --> 00:34:20,213
Speaker 4: It would indeed, because I'm going to steal your line

663
00:34:20,253 --> 00:34:23,053
Speaker 4: here that that Dunedin is one of the last true

664
00:34:23,133 --> 00:34:25,653
Speaker 4: New Zealand test cities. You know, being there this week

665
00:34:25,973 --> 00:34:28,933
Speaker 4: it is clear how much it means having the all

666
00:34:28,973 --> 00:34:31,613
Speaker 4: Blacks in town. All the shop windows have got go

667
00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:35,533
Speaker 4: all Blacks written in tape. Flags are displayed prominently. Merchandise,

668
00:34:36,893 --> 00:34:40,573
Speaker 4: you know, the Octagon and Emerson Spury is packed on

669
00:34:40,653 --> 00:34:44,053
Speaker 4: game day. I have no doubt it brings an immense

670
00:34:44,093 --> 00:34:46,973
Speaker 4: amount to the local economy and the Test was sold

671
00:34:46,973 --> 00:34:50,533
Speaker 4: out long in advance despite all the noise around the

672
00:34:50,573 --> 00:34:53,813
Speaker 4: status of this French team. But yeah, you're right that

673
00:34:53,893 --> 00:34:56,813
Speaker 4: the squeeze is on and the new christ Stadium is

674
00:34:56,853 --> 00:34:59,773
Speaker 4: going to be a destination by all accounts.

675
00:34:59,813 --> 00:35:00,773
Speaker 6: It's a head to schedule.

676
00:35:00,813 --> 00:35:03,293
Speaker 4: It's going to be a great venue for concerts and

677
00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:09,093
Speaker 4: sporting fixtures alike. So fortunately for Dunedin, I think, yeah,

678
00:35:09,133 --> 00:35:10,693
Speaker 4: they are going to miss out because one of the

679
00:35:10,733 --> 00:35:13,373
Speaker 4: big issues of Dunedin is accommodation as well.

680
00:35:13,693 --> 00:35:15,013
Speaker 6: It's quite a small city.

681
00:35:15,213 --> 00:35:18,173
Speaker 3: It certainly is, so you need to figure out for

682
00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:21,373
Speaker 3: Dunedin some more accommodation Christ which she's got plenty more

683
00:35:21,373 --> 00:35:24,253
Speaker 3: coming online with that stadium as well. So if there's

684
00:35:24,293 --> 00:35:27,413
Speaker 3: something that Dunedin's gonna have to figure out and until then,

685
00:35:27,973 --> 00:35:30,733
Speaker 3: well they're going to have to perhaps, I guess, take

686
00:35:30,773 --> 00:35:32,573
Speaker 3: what they're given. And there is a small schedule and

687
00:35:32,693 --> 00:35:34,373
Speaker 3: you think of that after this year, the All Blacks

688
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:36,733
Speaker 3: have maybe only got sick, have only got six home

689
00:35:36,733 --> 00:35:39,373
Speaker 3: tests before the World Cup, barring it in the extras

690
00:35:39,453 --> 00:35:42,013
Speaker 3: in the lead up to twenty twenty seven, which could

691
00:35:42,013 --> 00:35:43,933
Speaker 3: well happen given it as an Australia they could play

692
00:35:44,373 --> 00:35:47,173
Speaker 3: your home game before they go to Australia at some point,

693
00:35:47,253 --> 00:35:49,773
Speaker 3: so maybe an extra one there and top.

694
00:35:49,613 --> 00:35:51,373
Speaker 2: Of number four and the final four.

695
00:35:51,773 --> 00:35:55,533
Speaker 3: Good story from our colleague Rob van ryin around Rob

696
00:35:55,573 --> 00:35:59,133
Speaker 3: Henny re signing. Perhaps not a surprise given he decided

697
00:35:59,173 --> 00:36:02,493
Speaker 3: to basically straight batts and to you see he wouldn't

698
00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:06,093
Speaker 3: go anywhere else and everything like that, But sounds like

699
00:36:06,133 --> 00:36:08,733
Speaker 3: he's sticking around for at least one more see at

700
00:36:08,773 --> 00:36:10,773
Speaker 3: the Crusaders. But there is some other movement as well.

701
00:36:10,893 --> 00:36:13,253
Speaker 3: You want to need more none who on the move

702
00:36:13,293 --> 00:36:15,613
Speaker 3: potentially back to the Blues. Is that the rumor doing

703
00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:18,773
Speaker 3: the rounds leam, I guess your action to both of

704
00:36:18,813 --> 00:36:19,373
Speaker 3: those pieces and.

705
00:36:19,453 --> 00:36:23,413
Speaker 4: Use Yeah, it's not often you win a championship and

706
00:36:23,493 --> 00:36:28,133
Speaker 4: get turfed out, is it. Verncotta was re signed for

707
00:36:28,213 --> 00:36:32,013
Speaker 4: a further year, staying on for two so three all

708
00:36:32,093 --> 00:36:37,613
Speaker 4: up with the Blues and yeah, but what a turn

709
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:40,493
Speaker 4: of events for Rob Penny. You know, you and I

710
00:36:40,613 --> 00:36:43,373
Speaker 4: and many others were calling for him to be turfed

711
00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:47,813
Speaker 4: out after the low of twenty twenty four and gets

712
00:36:47,813 --> 00:36:50,613
Speaker 4: a few players back and hangs tough and wins the

713
00:36:50,653 --> 00:36:53,853
Speaker 4: title and interesting to see how long he sticks around

714
00:36:53,853 --> 00:36:57,693
Speaker 4: for and what the succession plan is there. But yeah,

715
00:36:57,853 --> 00:37:02,493
Speaker 4: hopefully they can do a Blues and crash out next

716
00:37:02,533 --> 00:37:02,733
Speaker 4: to here.

717
00:37:03,573 --> 00:37:05,773
Speaker 3: Thanks for your optimism on that front. You wanted more

718
00:37:05,813 --> 00:37:07,213
Speaker 3: not who as well going to Blues and.

719
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:09,533
Speaker 4: A great up for the Blues, And it does make

720
00:37:09,613 --> 00:37:11,653
Speaker 4: sense he's stuck behind Taylor and George Bell.

721
00:37:11,773 --> 00:37:13,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a bit of oiled in the runs that

722
00:37:13,493 --> 00:37:16,133
Speaker 3: Bradley Slater might be on the way back up as well,

723
00:37:16,213 --> 00:37:18,053
Speaker 3: a way up rather to Auckland.

724
00:37:18,093 --> 00:37:19,013
Speaker 2: I don't add to the Blues.

725
00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:20,813
Speaker 3: I don't know how that shack and down that was

726
00:37:20,853 --> 00:37:23,573
Speaker 3: doing the rounds a couple of months ago now, haven't

727
00:37:23,613 --> 00:37:26,253
Speaker 3: checked in on that. But Stanley Solomon as well im

728
00:37:26,253 --> 00:37:29,293
Speaker 3: pressa player in the under twenties. You'd think would be

729
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:31,853
Speaker 3: naturally fitting for the Hurricanes. He's from that region, but

730
00:37:31,893 --> 00:37:32,293
Speaker 3: maybe not.

731
00:37:32,733 --> 00:37:35,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like Jamie Joseph swooped there to pick

732
00:37:35,293 --> 00:37:38,013
Speaker 4: him up for the Highlanders, which would be a good pickup.

733
00:37:38,013 --> 00:37:41,013
Speaker 4: And it sort of fits the Honders brief targeting young

734
00:37:41,053 --> 00:37:45,893
Speaker 4: guys and giving them opportunities. Stanley Solomon's a guy that's

735
00:37:46,453 --> 00:37:52,453
Speaker 4: stuck behind Reuben Love and Brit Cameron and many others

736
00:37:52,533 --> 00:37:54,693
Speaker 4: who's the Hawks Bay first five have got injured god

737
00:37:54,693 --> 00:37:59,893
Speaker 4: Free Godfree and so has passed blocked essentially at the Hurricanes,

738
00:37:59,933 --> 00:38:05,333
Speaker 4: he can play wing, fall back and first five. So yeah,

739
00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:09,613
Speaker 4: it would be a good pickup for the Honders and

740
00:38:09,613 --> 00:38:12,533
Speaker 4: our friend that we saw in Toned and Pool Cully,

741
00:38:13,693 --> 00:38:16,613
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's give him some advice and welcome with

742
00:38:16,733 --> 00:38:17,293
Speaker 4: open arms.

743
00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:21,053
Speaker 3: I'm sure he would do that absolutely absolutely. Excuse me,

744
00:38:21,173 --> 00:38:24,653
Speaker 3: has been very long week, quite tired. That'll do us

745
00:38:24,653 --> 00:38:27,733
Speaker 3: for another week on Rugby Direct. But before we go,

746
00:38:27,933 --> 00:38:31,133
Speaker 3: you caught up with Jordy Barrett, fresh back home back

747
00:38:31,173 --> 00:38:33,653
Speaker 3: in the All Blacks Jersey after his time in Leinster.

748
00:38:34,293 --> 00:38:35,253
Speaker 2: Let's hear that chat now.

749
00:38:35,453 --> 00:38:39,813
Speaker 5: Yeah, right just before December and left. There was a

750
00:38:40,133 --> 00:38:42,853
Speaker 5: late late June, so that was great.

751
00:38:43,653 --> 00:38:49,373
Speaker 4: Was it everything you expected anticipated? Because I guess it

752
00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:54,533
Speaker 4: was quite turriblizing because when you talk about sabbaticals, most

753
00:38:54,533 --> 00:38:57,733
Speaker 4: players previously had largely gone to Japan and you obviously

754
00:38:57,773 --> 00:39:00,133
Speaker 4: set your sights on Leinster and it was it everything

755
00:39:00,173 --> 00:39:01,413
Speaker 4: you hoped and dreamed.

756
00:39:01,693 --> 00:39:04,573
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's to be honest, I didn't really know what

757
00:39:04,613 --> 00:39:10,573
Speaker 7: to expect. Yeah, as you alluded to, before me had

758
00:39:10,613 --> 00:39:13,173
Speaker 7: done it for quite some time. I think Dan was

759
00:39:13,173 --> 00:39:15,173
Speaker 7: the last when he went to Perpignon, but no one

760
00:39:15,173 --> 00:39:18,813
Speaker 7: had really gone for an Irish experience or a Lenk

761
00:39:18,813 --> 00:39:19,573
Speaker 7: stuff for that matter.

762
00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:24,053
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was, I guess walking down to the.

763
00:39:24,053 --> 00:39:27,333
Speaker 7: Deep water for a bit at the start, But in

764
00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:31,973
Speaker 7: terms of as an experience as a whole, it exceeded

765
00:39:32,013 --> 00:39:34,893
Speaker 7: my I guess the expectation and what I wanted to

766
00:39:34,893 --> 00:39:37,213
Speaker 7: get out of it, which was great. It doesn't always

767
00:39:37,453 --> 00:39:42,413
Speaker 7: happen that way. I mean, it was available body wise

768
00:39:42,453 --> 00:39:48,853
Speaker 7: the whole time, was there and and I mean although

769
00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:52,733
Speaker 7: I didn't get what we wanted in Europe when in

770
00:39:52,853 --> 00:39:55,773
Speaker 7: the UC and some silverware was great.

771
00:39:56,133 --> 00:39:58,893
Speaker 6: Links the had in one silverware for a number.

772
00:39:58,613 --> 00:40:01,253
Speaker 5: Of years now with the squad and coaches I've.

773
00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:04,853
Speaker 4: Had, So that was pleasing your real student of the game, right,

774
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:07,653
Speaker 4: that was a big part of going Yeah, yeah, it

775
00:40:07,693 --> 00:40:10,653
Speaker 4: would have taken from from a rugby point of view,

776
00:40:11,533 --> 00:40:15,213
Speaker 4: from stylesfer coaching players arenas.

777
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:18,893
Speaker 7: Yes, Yeah, like you said, it's not just one thing

778
00:40:20,413 --> 00:40:24,373
Speaker 7: pretty much learning through experience. I mean, one week you

779
00:40:24,413 --> 00:40:27,933
Speaker 7: can be playing in LaRochelle in the European Cup match

780
00:40:28,013 --> 00:40:32,693
Speaker 7: sold out in January, freezing cold, and then a couple

781
00:40:32,693 --> 00:40:36,333
Speaker 7: of weeks later you might be heading to Pretoria for

782
00:40:36,373 --> 00:40:39,373
Speaker 7: the u r C and then your back home again

783
00:40:39,493 --> 00:40:41,693
Speaker 7: in an Irish derby.

784
00:40:43,133 --> 00:40:44,133
Speaker 5: Against Munster.

785
00:40:44,293 --> 00:40:49,253
Speaker 7: So the game and the dynamic can change so quickly,

786
00:40:49,373 --> 00:40:54,373
Speaker 7: So the team has to adapt to different conditions, different

787
00:40:54,413 --> 00:41:00,293
Speaker 7: time of the year, different referees in different styles, and ultimately,

788
00:41:01,213 --> 00:41:05,893
Speaker 7: like the UC starts in September I think, and finishes

789
00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:07,493
Speaker 7: in June, so you've got to be playing your best

790
00:41:07,573 --> 00:41:08,653
Speaker 7: rugby later on in the air.

791
00:41:08,733 --> 00:41:09,733
Speaker 5: So it's a bit of the mouth on.

792
00:41:11,253 --> 00:41:13,173
Speaker 8: What are some of the things specifically I guess that

793
00:41:13,213 --> 00:41:16,453
Speaker 8: you can take away from and bring back here. I

794
00:41:16,453 --> 00:41:18,013
Speaker 8: think believe preference.

795
00:41:17,693 --> 00:41:22,733
Speaker 4: Before the defensive line speeds. You know, you've always had

796
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:27,333
Speaker 4: the tactical mind to your game, but what nuggets of

797
00:41:27,413 --> 00:41:31,053
Speaker 4: gold or things will you bring home is and add

798
00:41:31,093 --> 00:41:31,813
Speaker 4: to your as well.

799
00:41:32,813 --> 00:41:36,813
Speaker 7: Yeah, individually, I think like walking into a different environment

800
00:41:38,093 --> 00:41:39,333
Speaker 7: and chatting to.

801
00:41:39,333 --> 00:41:44,493
Speaker 9: Different coaches, different players and trying to I guess, to

802
00:41:44,493 --> 00:41:48,733
Speaker 9: gather a different understanding of playing the game, a way

803
00:41:48,733 --> 00:41:50,573
Speaker 9: of thinking, a way of preparing.

804
00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:51,453
Speaker 5: And challenging yourself and.

805
00:41:53,213 --> 00:41:55,173
Speaker 7: There are some things that I would have left at

806
00:41:55,173 --> 00:41:57,773
Speaker 7: the door and the other things that I really took

807
00:41:57,853 --> 00:42:03,213
Speaker 7: on from other players, And I guess like leaving, I

808
00:42:03,213 --> 00:42:05,493
Speaker 7: feel like I got a better understanding of my own

809
00:42:05,533 --> 00:42:10,613
Speaker 7: game and broader understanding the game of rugby, but in

810
00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,893
Speaker 7: some ways almost refining that and working out what's importance

811
00:42:13,933 --> 00:42:14,893
Speaker 7: and what's nelton what.

812
00:42:16,013 --> 00:42:19,693
Speaker 5: I guess equates to performing well on the weekend and

813
00:42:19,693 --> 00:42:20,973
Speaker 5: getting your team across the line.

814
00:42:21,973 --> 00:42:24,133
Speaker 4: Do you think you know they're a punta who knows

815
00:42:25,093 --> 00:42:26,573
Speaker 4: anything different about the way you play?

816
00:42:27,173 --> 00:42:30,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure, hopefully. I mean.

817
00:42:32,773 --> 00:42:35,933
Speaker 7: It's different because I'm walking into a team now where

818
00:42:36,573 --> 00:42:39,293
Speaker 7: you know you've just got to do your job. There's

819
00:42:39,573 --> 00:42:45,533
Speaker 7: fourteen other world class players on the field, and maybe

820
00:42:45,613 --> 00:42:47,853
Speaker 7: at Leinster at different times of the year you lose

821
00:42:47,893 --> 00:42:53,453
Speaker 7: the international guys and you're playing with ten twelve academy

822
00:42:53,493 --> 00:42:54,013
Speaker 7: boys and.

823
00:42:55,773 --> 00:42:57,213
Speaker 5: You might have a bigger role to play.

824
00:42:57,693 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 7: There's an expectation there to perform and take on a

825
00:43:00,293 --> 00:43:03,893
Speaker 7: whole lot more load, whereas in here.

826
00:43:02,093 --> 00:43:05,173
Speaker 5: You just got to do your job and do it well.

827
00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:09,413
Speaker 7: So in some ways, coming back in here, I've just

828
00:43:09,453 --> 00:43:11,453
Speaker 7: got to narrow my focus and pretty much just try

829
00:43:11,493 --> 00:43:12,373
Speaker 7: and nail what I can.

830
00:43:13,573 --> 00:43:15,933
Speaker 5: Obviously bring a real physical edge.

831
00:43:15,973 --> 00:43:17,253
Speaker 7: That's something I'm going to look to try to do

832
00:43:17,373 --> 00:43:21,813
Speaker 7: this year, coming back from Leinster and being under Jark

833
00:43:21,893 --> 00:43:25,733
Speaker 7: and bit of South African influence, and yeah, just trying

834
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:31,373
Speaker 7: to nail all those individual sorry not individual, those one

835
00:43:31,373 --> 00:43:33,573
Speaker 7: on one moments in a game where you might have

836
00:43:33,653 --> 00:43:35,693
Speaker 7: forty of them, whether it's a ball carrier breakdown at

837
00:43:35,733 --> 00:43:37,973
Speaker 7: tack where you got so many chances to influence a game,

838
00:43:38,013 --> 00:43:39,813
Speaker 7: and just trying to win as many as those as

839
00:43:39,813 --> 00:43:40,173
Speaker 7: I can.

840
00:43:40,613 --> 00:43:43,693
Speaker 4: I mentioned Jack, what about I guess others who had

841
00:43:43,293 --> 00:43:48,293
Speaker 4: an impression on you, contributed to something to your Leinster

842
00:43:49,333 --> 00:43:50,493
Speaker 4: players or coaches or.

843
00:43:50,933 --> 00:43:52,533
Speaker 5: Yeahler, Tyler Blandel.

844
00:43:52,613 --> 00:43:55,693
Speaker 7: I've been very lucky to be coached by Tyler since

845
00:43:55,733 --> 00:44:00,413
Speaker 7: he moved back from Ireland and joined the Canes. And yeah,

846
00:44:00,653 --> 00:44:06,453
Speaker 7: coincidentally he moved to Leinster last year, and his game

847
00:44:06,573 --> 00:44:11,813
Speaker 7: understanding and his ability to get a team to attack

848
00:44:11,893 --> 00:44:15,613
Speaker 7: and strike off set pieces great and I mean in

849
00:44:15,693 --> 00:44:18,813
Speaker 7: the last yeah, I guess how many maybe five years now,

850
00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:22,213
Speaker 7: I've learned so much through him and so he was

851
00:44:22,293 --> 00:44:27,453
Speaker 7: very influential for me last year and then just certain

852
00:44:27,493 --> 00:44:30,253
Speaker 7: conversations with senior players. I was so lucky to be

853
00:44:30,333 --> 00:44:34,013
Speaker 7: Robin Shoulders with twenty two or twenty three captain internationals

854
00:44:34,573 --> 00:44:38,413
Speaker 7: in Leinster and the IRA set up. So yeah, picking

855
00:44:38,453 --> 00:44:40,813
Speaker 7: their brains and just having conversations has been great.

856
00:44:41,533 --> 00:44:41,733
Speaker 8: Did it?

857
00:44:41,853 --> 00:44:42,173
Speaker 5: I guess?

858
00:44:42,213 --> 00:44:44,773
Speaker 4: You know there's been a real rivalry in recent times

859
00:44:44,773 --> 00:44:45,933
Speaker 4: between the All Blacks and Island.

860
00:44:47,893 --> 00:44:49,813
Speaker 8: Did it give you an insight to their mentality?

861
00:44:49,893 --> 00:44:53,413
Speaker 4: And I guess it's a different dynamic being on that

862
00:44:53,493 --> 00:44:54,533
Speaker 4: side of the fence as well.

863
00:44:54,613 --> 00:44:59,013
Speaker 5: Yeah, certainly, like I wasn't sure just in terms of the.

864
00:44:58,973 --> 00:45:03,053
Speaker 7: Way they prepare their psyche and what makes them tack.

865
00:45:03,973 --> 00:45:08,573
Speaker 7: But it was clear there was a few little differences

866
00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:09,213
Speaker 7: as to what we.

867
00:45:09,173 --> 00:45:11,213
Speaker 5: Had rightly or wrongly back home.

868
00:45:11,293 --> 00:45:13,493
Speaker 7: And also there were some things that we'd be doing

869
00:45:13,493 --> 00:45:18,733
Speaker 7: better here that it was nice to confirm and say, yep,

870
00:45:19,213 --> 00:45:21,133
Speaker 7: we need to continue doing that at home, or little

871
00:45:21,133 --> 00:45:22,813
Speaker 7: things in the week where I think I might take

872
00:45:22,853 --> 00:45:25,293
Speaker 7: that home and shake, shake a few trees and see

873
00:45:25,293 --> 00:45:26,093
Speaker 7: if we can change.

874
00:45:26,573 --> 00:45:27,493
Speaker 5: Which is great and.

875
00:45:29,573 --> 00:45:31,853
Speaker 7: That was the whole point of my decision of moving

876
00:45:33,293 --> 00:45:36,573
Speaker 7: moving to Ireland and just trying to get a greater

877
00:45:36,653 --> 00:45:40,213
Speaker 7: understanding of individuals and the way to play the game

878
00:45:40,253 --> 00:45:45,013
Speaker 7: and ultimately become a better rugby player myself, and I.

879
00:45:44,933 --> 00:45:47,053
Speaker 4: Guess from the outside there was a bit of a concern

880
00:45:47,093 --> 00:45:49,893
Speaker 4: about fatigue, you know, you Gues you went over there

881
00:45:49,933 --> 00:45:53,253
Speaker 4: and it was in December, and then yeah, there's a

882
00:45:53,293 --> 00:45:55,613
Speaker 4: perception that you're playing the whole time and come back

883
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:57,173
Speaker 4: and you join the All Blacks and that's a big

884
00:45:57,293 --> 00:46:01,093
Speaker 4: run out about a break. But from what I can gather,

885
00:46:01,133 --> 00:46:04,333
Speaker 4: it was really particulously playing. You're well managed and obviously

886
00:46:04,453 --> 00:46:07,173
Speaker 4: come and starting here if you like, you're in a good, good.

887
00:46:06,973 --> 00:46:09,053
Speaker 5: Place at place.

888
00:46:10,293 --> 00:46:15,293
Speaker 7: I mean a fluid conversations with Leo and guy from

889
00:46:15,293 --> 00:46:18,933
Speaker 7: the Leinster side and then with Gilly and ends that

890
00:46:19,053 --> 00:46:22,133
Speaker 7: are here. So like I was managed so well. Like

891
00:46:22,173 --> 00:46:25,053
Speaker 7: I said, I was lucky. I was healthy and available

892
00:46:25,093 --> 00:46:29,093
Speaker 7: for seven months I was there, So that's number one.

893
00:46:30,813 --> 00:46:33,973
Speaker 7: I played fifteen games so over the course of that period.

894
00:46:34,013 --> 00:46:37,693
Speaker 7: And there's a time during six Nations where I didn't

895
00:46:37,693 --> 00:46:39,973
Speaker 7: play for nine weeks and treated that as a mini

896
00:46:40,013 --> 00:46:42,733
Speaker 7: pre season block where I was able to get some

897
00:46:42,733 --> 00:46:46,453
Speaker 7: condition on, get into the gym, get a little bit

898
00:46:46,493 --> 00:46:48,133
Speaker 7: of a rest as well, which is important, take a

899
00:46:48,173 --> 00:46:51,173
Speaker 7: bit of a mental and physical break, and then come

900
00:46:51,253 --> 00:46:54,813
Speaker 7: bouncing back into that environment around March, and I'm feeling

901
00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:56,693
Speaker 7: really good at the moment, but as the.

902
00:46:56,493 --> 00:47:01,053
Speaker 5: Final series with Leinster, but yeah, there was always chad.

903
00:47:00,893 --> 00:47:03,413
Speaker 7: Around my workload and going up to Europe and getting

904
00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:09,133
Speaker 7: bashed up. But ironically I'm almost feeling better than sometimes

905
00:47:09,173 --> 00:47:12,493
Speaker 7: when you come out of Super Rugby season, so I'm

906
00:47:12,493 --> 00:47:14,333
Speaker 7: obviously grateful. You need a little bit of luck with

907
00:47:14,413 --> 00:47:20,893
Speaker 7: that too, your injuries, and but I come bouncing back

908
00:47:20,893 --> 00:47:22,293
Speaker 7: into this environment, which is great.

909
00:47:23,693 --> 00:47:25,573
Speaker 4: Obviously it wasn't just about rugby, you know, you went

910
00:47:25,653 --> 00:47:29,373
Speaker 4: up the early partner and experience Europe and golf and

911
00:47:29,453 --> 00:47:31,973
Speaker 4: travel and all those sorts of things. That's great for

912
00:47:32,013 --> 00:47:34,333
Speaker 4: the mind to when you've been in one place in

913
00:47:34,413 --> 00:47:35,773
Speaker 4: terms of the knes and stuff as well.

914
00:47:36,453 --> 00:47:38,893
Speaker 8: That was a big part of the desire to go

915
00:47:38,973 --> 00:47:39,253
Speaker 8: up there.

916
00:47:39,693 --> 00:47:40,293
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure.

917
00:47:40,373 --> 00:47:43,653
Speaker 7: I mean we are ruggy players, but we're also people

918
00:47:43,693 --> 00:47:45,333
Speaker 7: and you got a life to live as well, so

919
00:47:47,333 --> 00:47:52,133
Speaker 7: there's an opportunity for an unbelievable experience and I'm certainly

920
00:47:52,293 --> 00:47:53,053
Speaker 7: glad I did it.

921
00:47:53,093 --> 00:47:54,133
Speaker 5: I've got no regrets.

922
00:47:54,293 --> 00:47:59,253
Speaker 7: The people in Ireland as a whole were great, Dublin

923
00:47:59,333 --> 00:48:00,293
Speaker 7: as well, and.

924
00:48:02,093 --> 00:48:03,773
Speaker 5: I had opportunities.

925
00:48:03,133 --> 00:48:06,533
Speaker 7: To get away for the odd weekend and take Elis

926
00:48:06,533 --> 00:48:10,453
Speaker 7: with me and just enjoy life outside of rugby and

927
00:48:11,173 --> 00:48:13,933
Speaker 7: walk back through the doors at Leinster and with a

928
00:48:13,973 --> 00:48:16,213
Speaker 7: smile on my face and just enjoy the challenge.

929
00:48:15,893 --> 00:48:19,373
Speaker 5: Of preparing for a week again. So I couldn't be

930
00:48:19,373 --> 00:48:20,133
Speaker 5: happy with the way I went.

931
00:48:20,853 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 4: Well, there mixed emotions in some ways. Imagine there's a

932
00:48:24,213 --> 00:48:28,413
Speaker 4: party that wanted to stay and you know continue and

933
00:48:28,453 --> 00:48:31,453
Speaker 4: obviously you know coming back and play for your vacs, yes,

934
00:48:31,853 --> 00:48:32,813
Speaker 4: when desire.

935
00:48:33,333 --> 00:48:36,253
Speaker 5: What what was that like? Yeah, it's a funny one,

936
00:48:36,293 --> 00:48:36,493
Speaker 5: it was.

937
00:48:36,493 --> 00:48:40,773
Speaker 7: It was a bittersweet actually, Yeah, over a short period

938
00:48:40,813 --> 00:48:44,773
Speaker 7: of time develop some great friendships, ones that will carry

939
00:48:44,813 --> 00:48:48,653
Speaker 7: through for the rest of my life. But you wonder

940
00:48:48,653 --> 00:48:50,653
Speaker 7: if if I was there any longer with the nulty

941
00:48:50,693 --> 00:48:52,493
Speaker 7: of worn off, But I guess we'll never know. So

942
00:48:52,693 --> 00:48:55,213
Speaker 7: I'm just grateful that the whole time I was there,

943
00:48:55,253 --> 00:48:59,653
Speaker 7: I absolutely enjoyed it. But even throughout the season that

944
00:48:59,813 --> 00:49:04,693
Speaker 7: iron super rugby. There's guys playing well, your mates and

945
00:49:04,733 --> 00:49:08,773
Speaker 7: brothers are they're playing and playing well, and I still

946
00:49:08,773 --> 00:49:12,493
Speaker 7: burns inside. You just want to get back and ideally

947
00:49:13,213 --> 00:49:16,533
Speaker 7: earn yourself an opportunity into wearing the black Jusey again,

948
00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:18,013
Speaker 7: so I'm grateful I've done that.

949
00:49:18,213 --> 00:49:22,133
Speaker 3: Jordy Barrett's on RAGB Directs with Liam Napier. That will

950
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:25,333
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951
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952
00:49:28,493 --> 00:49:31,453
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953
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