1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: We've got to crack down on rogue online gaming operators. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: The unlicensed could soon be fined five million dollars. New 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: laws are on the way, so are we heading in 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the right direction? The independent chair of the Gaming Machine Association, 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Peter Dingate thrushes, well, there's Peter, good morning. 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Good morning. 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: Do you honestly believe anybody, anywhere ever, is going to 8 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: be fined five million dollars? 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: I think that's a bit of a newspaper height. But 10 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: what is good about this is that we are starting 11 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: to see some movement, some regulation of this space, which 12 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: we've been calling for for long. And we've been opposed 13 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: to unregulated online gambling because of the damage that it 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: does to the current system. You know, the current system 15 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: has one of the lowest problem gambling rates in the world, 16 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: and we put a third of a billion dollars back 17 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: into the community for community projects, and this has the 18 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: capacity to damage there. 19 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: Can you regulate? Can you regulate online gambling if it's 20 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: coming out of Azerbaijan. 21 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: Well, it depends on familion. It's difficult to actually go 22 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: to Azevaijan and prosecute someone, so that's difficult. But if 23 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: you can make the license attractive enough so that they 24 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: want to keep it. Then you can probably work some 25 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: control by controlling that licensing. But it's the bit tenous. 26 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm asking really is is it realistic. It's 27 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: one thing to say, hey, we're going to do this, 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: can you actually because I mean the Australian government of 29 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: you following it trying to ban kids on social media, 30 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: social media, online gambling, it's all global. How do you 31 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: control something from the bottom of the world. 32 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot of evidence that children are being very 33 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: badly damaged by access to online media. So I think 34 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: we need a bit of work done in that area. 35 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: But maybe that's the way to go. But just come 36 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: back to this regulation, Mike. There's what's wrong with this 37 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: is that it doesn't actually address some of some of 38 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: the major problems. It's based on some misunderstood economics. I 39 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: don't know whether you've read the cabinet paper, but we 40 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: currently pay one hundred and sixty million dollars a year, 41 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: for example, to operate us to the pubs. There's going 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: to be no commission paid to anybody that's taken out 43 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: of the system. So there's a hot of jobs possibly 44 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: at stake. The biggest part is probably there's no requirement 45 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: to pay any money to the community. And Section three 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 2: of our Gambling Acts say is that part of the 47 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: purpose of the act is that money from gambling should 48 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: benefit the community. So they're getting this ignores one of 49 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: the major planks, if you like, of the current system. 50 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: And as I say, the current system zero point two 51 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: percent of the population of problem gamblers. We've got one 52 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: of the lowest rates of organized crime associated with gambling 53 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. You know, these things just don't work well. 54 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: When you say point two percent of the population. I 55 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: had it at point four, but I'll take your number 56 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: at point two. It's next to no one. 57 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: Why are we exercised, Well, you know that's part of 58 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: the problem. We want to get it down even low. 59 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: But like those the Swede you mentioned with the smoking. 60 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: But one of the good things about this regulation is 61 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: that they are going to pay money into the problem 62 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: gambling levy. That's the money that goes to the Health Department, 63 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: which then runs the various schemes for protecting people who 64 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: are risk on this. But you know, the current system 65 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: has a great deal of onerous host responsibilities on people 66 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: who provide gambling and it's very difficult to see how 67 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: the scheme is going to enforce anything like that. And 68 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: then you came back to the problem that you raise, 69 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: and how do you track someone down on azerbad Jar 70 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: and make them behave. 71 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: Exactly Peter appreciate it very much. Peter Dingate thrush into Mind, 72 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: a chair of the Gaming Machine Association of New Zealand. 73 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 2: For more from The Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 74 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 75 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.