1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: an early edition with Expole insulation, keeping Kiwi Holmes warm 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: and try this winter news Talks they'd be well. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: Good morning to you and welcome to the program. Thank 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: you for choosing early edition. So in the next sixty minutes, 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: it's going to become easier to open a bank account 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: for the kids. Why was it so hard in the 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: first place? And are there any other changes we can make? 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: We'll have that story for you in ten minutes. Mardie 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: enterprises are absolutely rocking in this economy, so what can 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: all businesses learn from them? Will have that story for 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: you in fifteen Yeah, the mushroom trial ends in Australia 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: with a guilty verdict. Now what's next and how are 14 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: the family's feeling and what is the capital of New Zealand. 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 2: We'll have these stories plus correspondents from around the world. 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 2: We're going to America today and correspondents from right around 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: New Zealand and news as it breaks. You can have 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: your say by giving me a text ninety two to 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: ninety two, or small charge applies. You could email me 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: if you want two Dickens at Newstalks atb dot co 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 2: dot MS. Good morning, it's eight after five the agenda, 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: and it's Tuesday, the eighth of July. To the States, 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: a desperate search and rescue mission is ongoing in the 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: Texas Hill Country. More than eighty people have been confirmed 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: dead and more storms are expected over the next forty 26 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: eight hours. He has sent into tech Cruz. 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 3: Look the agony that Texas is feeling right now. Jack. 28 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: There aren't words to describe, and our state is breathing 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: at a level. 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: This tragedy hits close to home for. 31 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 4: So many, but so many of us, so many families 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: in Dallas and Fort Worth and Houston and all. 33 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 5: Across the state. 34 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: To the United Kingdom and a memorial service to the 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: twentieth anniversary of the seven seven London bombings has taken 36 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: place at Saint Paul's Cathedral. Survivors and emergency workers who 37 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: responded on the day were amongst those who attended, alongside 38 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, Kair Starmer and the Mayor of London. 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: Said Dieck Cahn, Jesus. 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 6: So have no fear of them, for nothing is covered 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 6: up that will not be uncovered, and nothing to secret 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 6: that will not become known. What I say to you 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 6: in the dark, tell in the light, and what you 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 6: hair whispered to proclaim from the housetops. 45 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: And listen to the echo in that cathedral. Events have 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: also taken place across the four Sights in central London 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: where the bombings took place and staying in London. Wimbledon 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: organizers have apologized after its electronic line calling system malfunction 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: during a match. A former French Open champion from Russia 50 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: with a name that's unpronounceable, was one point away from 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: winning when the glitch occurred. Tournament organizers have said human 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: error meant the system was turned off during the match. Meanwhile, 53 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: the other day a player was forced to lift her 54 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: skirt to prove that she had dark underwear on. I'll 55 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: tell you Wimbedon's lost the plot. Is there anything more 56 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: boring than yet another debate about our interest rates? But 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: here I go again, speculating about what the Reserve Bank 58 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: will do tomorrow. Now, for this entire decade, talk about 59 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: the OCR has been at the forefront of our discussions 60 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: about the economy. At the start of the pandemic, the 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: bank loosened the OCR too much. The economy when stratisferic 62 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: then as the inevitable hangover seid and interest rates rocketed 63 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: too high. The recession that cause went on so long 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: that we yearn for a reduction. It came, and maybe 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: we've turned a corner, but maybe we haven't. At this moment, 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: our farmers are seeing good days because of global factors. 67 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: Tourism and international students are coming back. House prices have stabilized, 68 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: but any green shoots in any other sectors have been contained. 69 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: For many reasons, so much of our economy sits in 70 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: our funk. Confidence is low. We all seem to be waiting, 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: wanting a little push to get back onto an even keel, 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: which is why when the RB considers the cost of 73 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: our money, this wins. It might be a welcome fillip 74 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: for many doing so tough if we drop the interest rate, 75 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: but that's not on the books. So since last August, 76 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: in rates have been cut by two hundred and twenty 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: five basis points. They wear at five point five percent. 78 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: They're now at three point two five percent, But with 79 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: inflation getting a second wind, it's thought that there will 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: be no change to the rate, But maybe a little 81 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: push is just what we need. A reduction to a 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: flat three percent. It reads, well, it might give businesses 83 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: a boost and for summer lifeline. It's only reckless if 84 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: we keep going even lower, And why should we do that? 85 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: And with the world so uncertain, we sit in wobbly 86 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: times now. I'm no economic expert and I might not 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: see all the unintended consequences. But I'm no fool either, 88 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: So why not drop the rate by zero point two 89 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: five percent? Get it on three and then's start working 90 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 2: for a fun summer. I don't think that's going to happen, 91 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: but maybe it should. It's eleven after five and this 92 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 2: is News Talk ZBB. I had no idea. It's so 93 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: hard for kids to open a bank account. I remember 94 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: when I was young, I had a bank account. At 95 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 2: the age of five a win to primary school. The 96 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: ASB Bank turned up and said, would you like a 97 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: bank book? I love a bank book, Thank you very much, 98 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: and I got a bank account. I'm still with the 99 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: same bank, but not these days. So we'll talk about 100 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: that and how they've changed things next here on News Talks. 101 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: ATB on your Radio and online on iHeartRadio Early Edition 102 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and ex fol Insulation keeping Kiwi homes 103 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: warm and dry. 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 5: This winter news talk zeb. 105 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: Fourteen minutes after five. Here's something to get you going. 106 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: Should just cinder a doing comeback? For this Commission of 107 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: Inquiry into COVID be asked to actually testify. What do 108 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: you think you can text me? Ninety two ninety two. Meanwhile, 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: changes to the Anti Money Laundering Act will make it 110 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: easier for parents to open bank accounts for the kids. 111 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: Now adults and children don't have to verify their address. 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: We're opening a new account at a local branch. Jeff 113 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: King is the founder of my Mahi. This is a 114 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: platform to support children with banking education and it joins 115 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: me now. Good morning to here, Jeff, thank you for joining 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: us today. 117 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: Good morning, thank you. 118 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: Was it a bit of overkill to crack down on 119 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: kids having banking? 120 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little un sure. There's it's a little 121 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: scant on detail at the moment, but I think anything 122 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: that puts a focus on youth banking and the issues 123 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: around it, I think it's got to be a good thing. 124 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: Why were children's banking rules under the Anti Money Laundering Law? 125 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 5: Do you know? 126 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 3: No, I've got no idea. And then interesting thing is, 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: you know you think back to you know, maybe twenty 128 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: thirty years ago, New Zealand used to be so good 129 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 3: at youth banking. Every kid in New Zealand had a 130 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: bank account and all the rest of it. I don't 131 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: know whether you remember it, but on my day it 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: was the postbook, etc. And everyone had an account. And 133 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: there was a report that came out from the Reserve 134 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: Bank not so long ago into basic bank accounts and 135 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: it talked about that as a factor, whereas today it's 136 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: quite a different story. Yeah. 137 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Look I had a bank account from five with 138 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: the ASB. I also had a little plastic cash and 139 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: you know, think to put my coins in as well. 140 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: And you know what, I'm still banking with the ASB 141 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 2: with the same bank account number that I have from 142 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: those days. 143 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, and a lot of people say that that's 144 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 3: exactly right. But we've lost that tradition in New Zealand, 145 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: and I think if anything, you know, we did a 146 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: survey two years ago that showed our audience within the 147 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: schools that we had, you know, thirty percent of young 148 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: people didn't have an account. 149 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: So has this been something people have been calling for? 150 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it has, and that's sort of the reason we're 151 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: actually we ended up down this rabbit hole because school's 152 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: reached out to us. We have a digital ID within 153 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: my money. Think of a school id like on a 154 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: plastic card, but you know, one that students can use 155 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: on their phone. And after we'd created that, we've got 156 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: a bit of mone mentum with it. Schools were starting 157 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: to contact us to say, surely, you know, can you 158 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: get into banking now? Can you help us use the 159 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: idea card and mamahi to set up a bank account? 160 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: And we thought, oh yeah, how hard can that be? Well? Goodness, 161 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: three years later it was still battling on. 162 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: You live in a country that loves bureaucracy, you know 163 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: what I mean. But anyway, look, is there are there 164 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: any other sectors of our society that could do with 165 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: a rationalization of these money laundering rules and access to 166 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: a bank account? 167 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think that, you know, there's conversations and 168 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: there was a submission about two weeks ago to the 169 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: Reserve Bank around basic bank accounts and I'm assuming as 170 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: part of that the changes around that basic bank account 171 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 3: the aml CFT laws will be changed. But I think 172 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: you know, from looking at it from our space, obviously 173 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: we work with schools and particularly teenagers. You know, they 174 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 3: are probably the largest group in the country and that 175 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: will impact them the most. And the idea is is 176 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: if all young people had a bank account and left 177 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: school with a bank account, I think New Zealand would 178 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: be in a pretty good place, you know, particularly you 179 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: look at young people fifteen sixteen looking to get their 180 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: first part time jobs. They need an account, and at 181 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: the moment, it's a it's a really it's a difficult 182 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: process to go to. 183 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: How about homeless people or people just out of prison. 184 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and I think there's there's some work 185 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: being done around that as well. But I think when 186 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: you look at the statistics and look at the percentage, 187 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: I think the greatest percentages is around youth banking. And 188 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: I think the other one looking at this amendment that's 189 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: been made in the release that came out yesterday, you know, 190 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: in that Reserve Bank report that I mentioned earlier, you know, 191 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: they said fifty percent of branches had closed in the 192 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: last ten years. And if that's what it's looking like, 193 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: what is banking going to look like in another five 194 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: or ten years. It's not going to be in branch 195 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 3: And I think the thing for us is we would 196 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: like to see that there. You know, although this is 197 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 3: a step in the good, in the direction, we'd like 198 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: to see more of a focus on digital. How are 199 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: you digitally on board? You know? How do we make 200 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 3: that the norm? 201 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: When was the last time I ever used cash? 202 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 7: You know? 203 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: When we are always using the cards? The banking is critical. 204 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: So I thank you so much. Jeff King, he is 205 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 2: the founder of my Mahi. And it's now nineteen minutes 206 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: after five. So the Maori economy is doing amazingly well. 207 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 2: Can I find you a figure? Yeah, here we go. 208 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: Since twenty eighteen, the Mari economy has grown from seventeen 209 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: billion to thirty two billion and twenty twenty three and 210 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: of course here we are in twenty twenty five is 211 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 2: even bigger. So what are they doing? That's so good? 212 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: We'll talk about this in a month. It's news Talks 213 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: there b It's five nineteen. 214 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 5: News and Views you trust to start your day. 215 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: It's early EDITIONI with Andrew Dickins at Expole Insulation, keeping 216 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: Kiwi homes ward and dry. 217 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 5: This winter news talk said by. 218 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: Twenty one, the question is should just sender do and 219 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: come back and give evidence at the Commission of Inquiry 220 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: into COVID and Clive writes, yes, Dern should come back, 221 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: pay reparations and then be jailed. James says, of course, 222 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: just sitting there are doing. Grant Robinson, Chris Hopkins, Ayisha Vadel, 223 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: and Ashley Bloomfield should be questioned hard about what they did. 224 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: Most of them will be but we all know they 225 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: either won't show up or will sit there and waffle 226 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: for hours and days and weeks and say absolutely nothing. 227 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: They should all be arrested and put in front of 228 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: a jury. More on this in just a few moments time. 229 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 2: It's five twenty two. New research by a n Z 230 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 2: shows EWE owned commercial entities are outpacing some of the 231 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: country's largest corporations. The data shows that Maori enterprises have 232 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: fared better in the economic downturn and are emerging in 233 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: good shape. And it follows an MB report earlier this 234 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: year which showed the mary economy more than doubling in 235 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: the five years to twenty twenty three. So doctor Jason 236 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: Meeker is the professor of Maori Management at Auckland University. 237 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 238 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: Jason, Glad Andrew. 239 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: What are they doing so well? 240 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 4: Well? I guess, I guess, sir, they're developing a you know, 241 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: a scale a confidence and growing in their ability to 242 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 4: you know, to manage assets and to grow assets of 243 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: the scale that they are. It's certainly, uh, it's through 244 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: three settlements tribes are able to have been able to 245 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 4: you know, to I guess be in control of assets 246 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 4: of that scale that you know, and and they're in 247 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: the process of really sort of catching up on a 248 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty years of development as a result 249 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 4: of those settlements. 250 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: So many other, many other, many, many other you know, 251 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: other businesses not Mali or e we led businesses you know, 252 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: funded fund from the treaty settlements have had that terrible time. 253 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: But somehow Mali is doing well. And do they have 254 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: a trick to their business acumen? 255 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 4: Well, they're really they're really focused on being prudent, being 256 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: careful because you know, these settlements, these treaty settlements are 257 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: sort of full and final and this is their one shot. 258 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: So they're really doing all they can to be careful, 259 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: to be but also to be innovative in terms of 260 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: how they manage these assets. So they're increasingly being i 261 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 4: guess sort of taking them more hands on approach to 262 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: managing their assets. Initially starting out as cash engites, but 263 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: being more involved in actively managing their assets and as 264 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 4: a result getting better attends. 265 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: They also have Maria Authorities benefit from a concessionary tax 266 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: rate of seventeen and a half percent. Now that's lower 267 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: than the standard company tax rate. So is this actually 268 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: a proof that a lower corporate tax rate actually helps business? 269 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 4: The man authority tax rate is lower than the standard 270 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 4: corporate tax rate because the you know, the beneficiaries that 271 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 4: their own shares and interests in marty Land tend to 272 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: have a lower marginal tax rate, and so it makes 273 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 4: sense for them to have a concessionary test rait. And 274 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 4: so you know that's that's definitely of assistance to Mary 275 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: Authorities who are administering marty Land, which has a lot 276 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: of other kinds of challenges associated with it, including difficulties 277 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: in terms of access in finance and and and raising 278 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: debt on on marty Land. So you know that that 279 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: that's that's why we sort of had that sort of 280 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: different approach to Mary Authority tax rate. 281 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: Jason, thank you so much for for your inside today. 282 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: And yes, I've had a bit to do with Tainoi 283 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: and yet they do actually manage their assets very well. 284 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: A load of people are texting me right now. Well, 285 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: if you don't pay tax, obviously it's really easy for business. 286 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: But as I point out, a Maria authorities are subject 287 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: to income tax laws like everybody else. They must file 288 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: annual income tax returns. Yes, they do have a special 289 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: concessionary tax rate of seventeen point five percent, but yeah, 290 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: they're going for it, and that's that's a good thing 291 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: for everyone. 292 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: Five twenty six, The early edition Full show podcast on 293 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talks. 294 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 5: It be those talks. 295 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: It be question should just Cinda doing come home in 296 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: the year before the World Commission into our COVID response. 297 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: I think she should. I could understand though if she doesn't, 298 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: because just as she became the symbol of our successful 299 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: response to the pandemic, which we were rewarded with a 300 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: super majority in Labour's second term, she also then became 301 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: the symbol of everything that we did wrong. And there's 302 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: a significant number of people who have been weaponized against 303 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 2: the former Prime minister because of the things they resent, 304 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: and they want a hold into account. They want a 305 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: Nuremberg trial, as you heard from my text. They want fines, 306 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: they want jail, but they won't get that even if 307 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: she did come back, this is an inquiry about COVID 308 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: to understand everything they got wrong as well as everything 309 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: they got right. Now, I'm sure you Cinderadu, and even 310 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: if her conscience is completely clear, she would be worried 311 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: about the consequences of coming home and being at the 312 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: front of this investigation, for her family, for her personal safety, 313 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: for her own mental health. And the feeling is that 314 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: she won't. You can read between the lines in the 315 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: recent Women's Weekly interview that home is not on the raindar. 316 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: But remember, she will not escape the inquiry. No one will. 317 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: There's enough people being called to give us the full 318 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: and frank dissection of everything that happened at the beginning 319 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: of this decade, and that is important because there will 320 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: be another pandemic one day. So anyway, let's get into it, 321 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: with or without. Former Prime Minister just In a. Durn said, 322 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: it's five twenty nine. I're going to make her an 323 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: apology right after. I don't have to, but I'm going 324 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: to anyway to Lewis CAPOLDI I'm going to do that 325 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: a bit later on, going to tell you what I 326 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: did last night, and then we're off to America, the 327 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: Texas floods. It's just the images, just amazing, just how 328 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: quickly that river rose more than eighteen hour confirmed dead. 329 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that with our US correspondent, Cape Fisher. 330 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 2: And also the meeting between Donald Trump and Benjamin Metton. 331 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: Yahoo and Donald Demayo is still to come with recipes 332 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: for beef Wellington. No sorry, with the mushroom trial wrap up. 333 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: This is the addition. This is News Talks at B. 334 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: News is next. 335 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with ex bowl insulation keeping 336 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: chili homes warm. 337 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 5: And try this Winter News Talks at. 338 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: B because I'm already. 339 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 8: To find a jo have to forget me. 340 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 5: I'd rather kill my Julie gran me the credit God 341 00:17:53,080 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 5: as you never mad me the forget me to no Cavits. 342 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: No, I really do like this song. I mean it's 343 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: just so sad, you know, and yet the voice is 344 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: so good. Now, yes, sir. At this time we announced 345 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: that Lewis Caupoldi is coming to New Zealand to play 346 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: at the end of November. That's the guy singing, by 347 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: the way, So we weren't supposed to say that until 348 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 2: ten am, but we missed a little word that said embargo. 349 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: So we broke that embargo and for that, the team 350 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: apologizes to anyone who was put out by that. I 351 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: don't have to apologize, but I know that the email 352 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: chain was quite large. But on the other hand, you 353 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: can say you heard it first here on news Talk ZMB, 354 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: which is pretty much what you expect from this great 355 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: little station. This is what we do. We break news, 356 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: and we had the Lewis Caupoldi news first, So I'm 357 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 2: sorry to the hits. Anyway, last night I went to 358 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: the opening of the Art of Banksing. It's a traveling 359 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: exhibition of one hundred and eighty works by the world's 360 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: greatest street artist. It's a great little exhibition full of 361 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: all sorts of subversive works that attack the patriarchy, attack war, 362 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: attacks consumerism, and it's always amusing after seeing this critical 363 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: art about our voracius need to buy stuff that you 364 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: end out exiting through the gift shop where you can 365 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: buy stuff that kind of undermines, that have images on 366 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: them that kind of undermine the whole modern desire to 367 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 2: buy stuff. But you buy that stuff which has that 368 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 2: stuff on it, and you know what, they know it too, 369 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: because the film all about Banks is in fact called 370 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: Exit through the Gift Shop. Funny, smart, very very good. 371 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: Can I recommend the show if you're visiting Auckland and 372 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: after you've been to the Banks Sea, you can pop 373 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: up the road to see an outstanding collection of modern 374 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 2: greats at the Art Gallery. So, with all due respect 375 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: to Wellington, I have to say I'm sorry Auckland is 376 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: currently the arts capital of New Zealand. I'm de Cinder, 377 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: Adirn Colin says, I think in admission of mistakes by 378 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: just Cinder I Durm will go a long way to 379 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 2: dampening some of the hatred toward her. It's going to 380 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: have to have them at some stage or she won't 381 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: be comfortable here. As time goes on and Steve reckons 382 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: a brand de Cinda is too big to fail on 383 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: the world stage. She ain't coming back. It is twenty 384 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: one to six. 385 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early 386 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: edition Andrew Dickins and x Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi Holmes 387 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: warm and dry. This winter news talk said be right. 388 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: Around the country. We go to Dunedin first callum productor 389 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: good morning to you morning. Andrew that while Freedom Campus 390 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: is back. 391 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 5: Yes. 392 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 9: Queenstown Lakes District Councils proposed by law will allow self 393 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 9: contained vehicles to camp for free for a maximum of 394 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 9: two nights every thirty days. This is across one hundred 395 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 9: and fifty eight designated car parks and the likes of Queenstown, 396 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 9: Monica and Aratown. 397 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: It's the third attempt at. 398 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 9: Getting this by law across the line, with the previous 399 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 9: one deemed invalid by the Court. Of course, this is 400 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 9: a big issue for Queenstown. It has the most freedom 401 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 9: campus of anywhere in New Zealand, so they have to 402 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 9: get it right. Mayor Glenn Lewis says he doesn't think 403 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 9: that this will impact visit in numbers, but will instead 404 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 9: play stronger boundaries to manage these visitors better. 405 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: How's your weather. 406 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 9: Mainly fine for Dunedin today the art shower tonight with 407 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 9: the nor easterly strengthening the heights of day ten. 408 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: Play some Lewis Capaldi for me, Ma, thank you, Hey 409 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: Chleas from christ Jurs. Good morning, good morning. This is 410 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: a terribly sad story a popular post. He has tragically 411 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: died on his last day at work. 412 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 10: This is terribly sad. Andrew look posty David Bullock has 413 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 10: been identified as the man hit and killed by a 414 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 10: car near Leiston on Saturday night. It was his final 415 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 10: delivery after thirty years with New Zealand post He was 416 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 10: actually doing a last minute drop off to a home 417 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 10: about thirty kilometers southwest of christ Church. His van, though, 418 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 10: got stuck in some mud. The seventy eight year old 419 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 10: was there with his son in law. They decided to 420 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 10: walk to a nearby home for some help and that's 421 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 10: when they were struck by another vehicle. David was killed 422 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 10: while his son in law was taken to hospital seriously injured. 423 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 10: The postman was hugely popular, As I said, he also 424 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 10: had a Queen's Service Medal for his contribution to the 425 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 10: sport of indoor bowls. A police investigation is on going 426 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 10: into the incidents. 427 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: Very sad. Now, how's your weather? 428 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 10: A bit of frost about today, simcloud increasing this morning, 429 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 10: isolated showers, easterlies and ten to Wellington. 430 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: Max told good morning, good morning. Tell me about the 431 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 2: Wellington ed weaight times? 432 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 11: Yeah, look like a lot of emergency emergency departments in 433 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 11: New Zealand. Wellington Hospital can be pretty abysmal. The numbers 434 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 11: prove it the worst ed weight times in the country. 435 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 11: Less than half of people, less than half of people 436 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 11: through the doors are being seen within six hours. Forty 437 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 11: nine percent is pretty astonishing. The government's target is ninety 438 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 11: five percent. So the story in the post this morning. 439 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 11: Wellington Hospital has been reducing the number of maternity beds 440 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 11: to use them for ED patients. There was an angry 441 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 11: meeting where staff were told of this trial. Apparently one 442 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 11: concern is that now that patients going through still births 443 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 11: and now with an earshot of new mothers and crying babies, 444 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 11: it is just a trial at this point at the 445 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 11: hospital to try to urgently get those ED numbers up. 446 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 11: But staff not happy all. 447 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: Right, And how to weather for Wellington. 448 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 11: A cold start but mostly fine today thirteen the high 449 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 11: in the city we. 450 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 2: Go neither let's you mina good morning to you good morning. 451 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: So this is a little bit complicated. Nati FA to 452 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: Ak have won an environmental court appeal recognizing it has 453 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: the dominant EWE relationship with the land in the water 454 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: around Auckland's west An Marina. 455 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 12: Correct Andrew, that's right, because what had happened was that 456 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 12: back in twenty nineteen Auckland Council's form of development arm 457 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 12: that's Ekipanuku one resource concent to expand the marina. Now, 458 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 12: among the conditions there were that Ekipanuku invited nineteen Hapu 459 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 12: and Ewe to establish a forum. But you see what's 460 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 12: happening is that Nati pha toke set it was the 461 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 12: dominant EWE in the area and all nineteen shouldn't be 462 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 12: treated the same. The move was opposed by the other EWE, 463 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 12: of course, but the Environment Court ruled in ud our 464 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 12: case favor. All right, how's Orkand's weather cloudy or chaw 465 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 12: north of the city from the afternoon Auckland's high fifteen. 466 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 2: Now go Wellington. Of course I mentioned the fact that 467 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: the art of BANKSI is here and this incredible modern 468 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 2: giants exhibition at these art gallery is here as well. 469 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: I said, Orkland is the art capital. Well Wellington's striking 470 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: back and the banks exhibition was in Wellington months ago, 471 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: You dummy and our fan with a heavy tongue and 472 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: kauf someone writes this, Lee writes, cough Andrew, you realize 473 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: we had the Banksy first, putting Wellington then first as 474 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: the art capital. Thank you Lee. Maybe it was then, 475 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: but now baby now or conroll rules. We got two 476 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: of them and they're big, all right. The Texas floods. 477 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that, and of course the 478 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: big one, Donald Trump and Benjamin Ettina, who are meeting 479 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: to address the Guards of War. Details next with Kate 480 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: Fisher and later Donald DeMaio out of Australia with the 481 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: wrap up the dessert you could almost say of the 482 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: mushroom trial. 483 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind 484 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: for New Zealand business. 485 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 5: It is now. 486 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: Fourteen minutes to six. Cave Fisher from the United States. 487 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 488 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 13: Good morning. 489 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: These Texas floods, the whole world is crying. More than 490 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: eighty confirmed dead, at least seventy five in Kirkcaut County alone, 491 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: and it it doesn't look like anything could have been 492 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: done about it except a bit of weather forecast. 493 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 13: Yeah, it's tragic and it just seems to get worse 494 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 13: by the second. We've just been listening to Caroline Levitt, 495 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 13: the press secretary for Donald Trump, who said it's now 496 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 13: at least ninety one people who are confirmed dead, as 497 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 13: you say, at least seventy five of them in that 498 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 13: county region, which is where that girl's summer camp missed 499 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 13: it camp was being held, and at least twenty seven 500 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 13: of the victims are people who are attending that camp, 501 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 13: so they are children, and we understand there's still ten 502 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 13: children and one counselor who are missing from that camp 503 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 13: as rescue teams continue to work for the fourth day 504 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 13: to try to find survivors and bodies very tragically from this, 505 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 13: and as you say, Donald Trump himself saying that this 506 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 13: was a once in one hundred year catastrophe and that 507 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 13: nobody could have predicted it, at the same time as 508 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 13: Democrats are raising questions about the fact that he has 509 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 13: cut jobs from the National Weather Service and is planning 510 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 13: to cut jobs from the Federal Emergency Management Agency who've 511 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 13: been on the ground helping with rescue efforts. So there 512 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 13: is definitely a kind of a partisan war brewing over 513 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 13: whether there were any of this could have been kind 514 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 13: of mitigated by having more staff. The National Weather Service 515 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 13: say they did have enough staff that day, but clearly 516 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 13: that is not stopping Democrats, particularly from questioning Donald Trump's cuts. 517 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: Yes, we all need a villain, we all need to 518 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: blame somebody, but there's other things as well. River management well, 519 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: we live in a very floody country in New Zealand 520 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: as well. And yes, sometimes it's about with the forecasting, yiss, 521 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 2: it's about the management about rivers. But at the same time, 522 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: let's not forget that it's still quite fresh. And as 523 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: you now say, ninety one did now Donald Trump and 524 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: Benjamint and Yah who are meeting to address the Gaza war. 525 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 13: That's right, Nettaya, who will be here at the White 526 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 13: House in a few hours time to have dinner with 527 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 13: Donald Trump and a meeting. We're told that cameras will 528 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 13: not be around for that, which is fairly unusual. Usually 529 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 13: Donald Trump likes to kind of speak on camera when 530 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 13: he has foreign leaders to visit. Of course, that could change, 531 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 13: but at the moment, that's what we think. The roads 532 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 13: around here have all been closed down ahead of this. 533 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 13: Garza is certainly high on the agenda. Donald Trump desperate 534 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 13: to try to find an end to the war there. 535 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 13: He's been promising that since he took office. He wants 536 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 13: Israel and her ass to sign onto a deal that 537 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 13: he is in the works right now, but he seems 538 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 13: less confident that's going to happen today. In fact, his 539 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 13: special end voice, Seve wik Cooff is heading to Doha 540 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 13: to carry on these negotiations later in the week, which 541 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 13: suggests they're not ready to unveil any kind of secured 542 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 13: deal today. But Iran will also be on the agenda. 543 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 13: Of course, Israel and the US work together to try 544 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 13: to bomb the Iranian nuclear sites, and they will be 545 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 13: praising each other at this meeting at the White House. 546 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 13: Something of a victory lamp, But underneath that is Donald 547 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 13: Trump trying to push for a diplomatic solution to the 548 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 13: disagreements with Iran and to end its nuclear program, whereas 549 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 13: Benjamin Lettiell, who the Israeli leader, is much more skeptical 550 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 13: of that. 551 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and we'll find out that in the fullness of time, 552 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: whether it is a victory lamp or whether the whole thing, 553 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: the twelve day War was a draw. But that's for 554 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: the future. And I thank you Kate Fisher. It's now 555 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: ten to six news talks that'd be all well talked 556 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: about it. The mushroom trial in Australia, mushroom cook Aaron 557 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 2: Patterson has been found guilty on all charges in her 558 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 2: murder trial. The jury took a week to come to 559 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: a decision, but found her ultimately guilty of the murder 560 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: of her in laws, Gail and Donald Patterson and Heather Wilkinson, 561 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: the dinner's guests. Blood was coursing whether Ama toxin, a 562 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: deadly poison produced by the death cap mushrooms nine to 563 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: sprout under oak trees of Victoria. So Don, Gale, and 564 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: Heather died of organ failure, all within a week. Now 565 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: for more on this, we've got Donna tomorrow on the 566 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: Langod Morning to your. 567 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 7: Donna, Good morning to you. 568 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: People said that jury took quite a long time, a 569 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 2: whole week. What was that about. 570 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 7: Well, they're allowed to take as long as they want. 571 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 7: So it was about a week of deliberations for the jury, 572 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 7: seven men and five women, and they ultimately found the 573 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 7: fifty year old guilty of murdering the in laws that 574 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 7: you just mentioned, ed Don and Gale Patterson and Heather Wilkinson. 575 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 7: He was Gail's sister, younger sister, so donal Gale aged seventy, 576 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 7: Heather sixty six years old and has his husband in 577 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 7: Wilkinson was the sole survivor of that that lunch. He 578 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 7: was not in court on the day of the verdict 579 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 7: when it was delivered yesterday, we know that Simon Patterson, 580 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 7: the estranged husband of Aaron, was invited to that lunch 581 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 7: you might recall, but he canceled the night before because 582 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 7: he said he had felt uncome constable. 583 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 5: Well, yes. 584 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 7: About about attending. 585 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 5: So there you go. 586 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 7: Take take that with interest. But you know, each day, 587 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 7: for more than two months, every seat at that tiny 588 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 7: courthouse more wells we tro val in law courts in 589 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 7: regional Touria were filled, and we heard that some people 590 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 7: were so fascinated by this case that, you know, the 591 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 7: general public were telling stories that you know, they gave 592 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 7: up work and they, you know, would get there super 593 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 7: early to sit in on in court and watch this unfold, 594 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 7: watch this trial unfold. 595 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: Look, it's the same here. 596 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: Don't worry. 597 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: Everybody's fascinated here. And of course the passions are high. 598 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: So the people that thought she was guilty thought she 599 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: was guilty and thought it would only take everybody twenty 600 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: minutes to come up with the decision. That's why one 601 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 2: week was quite interesting. What can we expect for sentencing, Well. 602 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 7: The sentencing data is yet to be determined, but ultimately 603 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 7: Aaron Patterson's legal team can appeal. There's a lodge appeal 604 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 7: can be lodged and should say she has twenty eight 605 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 7: days to begin the process of lodging an appeal according 606 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 7: to the Supreme Court of Australia, so her legal team 607 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 7: can consider that either to appeal the guilty verdict itself, 608 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 7: the sentence, which we don't know what it is yet, 609 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 7: or both. Now the grounds for appeal you might be interested. 610 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 7: The most common ground is that the verdict was unsatisfactory 611 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 7: or unreasonable, and the Court of appeal might find that 612 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 7: it just wasn't sufficient to justify a conviction. So interesting 613 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 7: that you might note also that no motive was ever 614 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 7: provided to the court. I found that fascinating. But the 615 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 7: prosecutors described Erin Patterson as a duplicitous liar who prepared 616 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 7: a meal with murderous incantent. She showed no emotion when 617 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 7: the guilty verdict was maad it down, by. 618 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: The way, that was a very good sentence to prisiness 619 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: liar who showed murderous and tent. Donna demoo, I thank 620 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: you so much. It is now seven minutes to six. 621 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: News Talks at b the news you need this morning 622 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: and the in depth analysis earlier this year Andrew Dickens 623 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: and x full insulation keeping, Kiwi Holmes, warn and dry 624 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: this winter news talks ad me. 625 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: So Craig rides with Jainda Ashley and Grant all a 626 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: while it only leaves Hipkins available to face the music. 627 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: He was the go to safe pair of hands, minister 628 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: of everything during that period. Surely he needs to be interviewed. 629 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: Yes he will, He cannot run away. Yes that's right, Craig, 630 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 2: And you're right. But the thing is just it ain't 631 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,959 Speaker 2: going to come. We know that already. I think what 632 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: irritates people is that she's more than happy to take 633 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: credit for the success, but at the moment she still 634 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: has not apologized for the failures. 635 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 5: Did I tell you I'm. 636 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 8: Reading her book? 637 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 13: Yeah? 638 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: I know, Yeah, I'm reading. 639 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 8: Her book, and I'm just I just last night got 640 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 8: up to the bit. I think we're we've just finished 641 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 8: dealing with the Mosk attack. Just wrap that up, and 642 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 8: I think that we're now going to deal with the COVID. 643 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: So you'll be disappointed. Well, I left through it and 644 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 2: I was disappointed. Now, okay, exactly. Now let's get under 645 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: your skin. Family Boost. 646 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 8: Oh no, I hate the Family Boost? Do you hate 647 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 8: the Family Boost? 648 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 2: Well, I'm a bit over all that sort of thing. 649 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: But apparently apparently I'm I'm pay I could get the 650 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: family boost because apparently I'm not I'm poor. I mean, listen, okay, 651 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: tell me to twenty nine, right to twenty nine. 652 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 8: K tell me if I'm out of touch. But a 653 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 8: family on two hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars now 654 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 8: qualifies for for state help to pay for early chandhood. 655 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 2: I don't know that. 656 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 8: I think that a family on two hundred and thirty 657 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 8: thousand dollars is poor? 658 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 5: Are they poor? 659 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 8: If you're not poor, right, that's what welfare is for 660 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 8: poor people. If you're not poor, why are we helping you? 661 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 8: It doesn't make any sense. We're broke, what are we doing? 662 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: But you're talking about it on the radio. 663 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 8: We're going to talk about this. We're also going to 664 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 8: tell you what that mushroom chaffe. There was no outcome 665 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 8: other than guilty, and it's the dehydrator that got her 666 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 8: in the end of view. 667 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: But why did it take a week? If it's if 668 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 2: it's so sure in your mind, why did it take 669 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 2: a week? 670 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 8: I just think they liked the hotel. 671 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Heather dberc Allen in for Mike, Ryan 672 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 2: Bridge in for Heatheren Andrew Dickens and for Run. 673 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 5: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. 674 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talks it Be from five am weekdays, 675 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio