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Speaker 1: Inside the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct with

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Speaker 1: Elliot Smith and Leam Napier powered by News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Direct, powered by Habit Health, tackling all

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Speaker 3: your aches and pains from sports and work. Elliott Smith

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Speaker 3: back again for another week and returning this week after

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Speaker 3: a week sabbatical, Liam Napier, Liam, welcome back into the podcast.

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Speaker 4: Great to be here, Elliott, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Is it true you couldn't face last week after the

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Speaker 3: Hurricanes loss of the Crusaders who are clearly on a roll.

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Speaker 5: Look I've been in hiding and lights come out and

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Speaker 5: firmly dispatch such rumors off the bats. No, I head

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Speaker 5: my sister's So I didn't see a lot of rugby

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Speaker 5: that weekend. There were the odd there was the odd

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Speaker 5: skygo floating around, but not enough to enhance our listeners.

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Speaker 5: So stepped out for Nick Buley and listened to the

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Speaker 5: part and it was probably an improvement.

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Speaker 3: Yes, certainly it was an interesting toss up this week

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Speaker 3: to consider whether next stade or you came back, but

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Speaker 3: we've gone with you back, welcome back. It's been a

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Speaker 3: busy week in rugby, hasn't it. And I think we're

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Speaker 3: going to flip things around from what we usually do

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Speaker 3: the key issues around player movements. And one of those

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Speaker 3: key player movements is this morning before we recorded portion

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Speaker 3: woodwen Wickliffe now the saying that she is going to

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Speaker 3: least be available for selection. I'm sure she will be

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Speaker 3: selected barring injury. Big boost for the Black Fans campaign.

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Speaker 3: The whispers have been around for a few weeks around

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Speaker 3: whether she's going to make herself available. Was very very

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Speaker 3: impressive during Super Rugby or Picky, But to have a

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Speaker 3: player of her come back and play at a World

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Speaker 4: It's massive, yeah.

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Speaker 5: And just watching her throughout Alpacky and in the crossover

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Speaker 5: when she's been so commanding for the Blues, it's great. Look,

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Speaker 5: maybe this wouldn't have happened if her move to the

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Speaker 3: And hearing her or seeing some quotes from her today

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Speaker 3: of the news last week Rico Yowani announcing that he

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Speaker 3: And when you repeated that from your contact, I was like, really,

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Speaker 5: Ricco, this is from Jay. Ricco will be staying at

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Speaker 5: So wow, there's there's a there's a there's a real

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Speaker 2: Isn't there There is a blend there.

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Speaker 3: And look, I know Leinster are the most popular with

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Speaker 3: point between Rico Uanni and the Irish people, maybe sort

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Speaker 3: of come to Jesus moment, maybe he goes on National

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Speaker 2: A headline grabber.

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Speaker 3: People are going to want to watch Rico Yuandi's first

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Speaker 3: game for Linza to see how it goes. They want

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Speaker 3: lead up to that test in Chicago in November, that's

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Speaker 3: another element on top of it that you know, three

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Speaker 5: Rugby needs these narratives, it needs characters, It needs talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: So New Zealands of rugby clubs don't have the cash

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Speaker 5: Oh look, wouldn't you love to see it? As a

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Speaker 5: are picked when they're hot, when they're on form. And

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00:22:59,573 --> 00:23:03,373
Speaker 5: there's another change George Bridge as well, and Severe who

433
00:23:03,413 --> 00:23:07,373
Speaker 5: came through to push out Julian Severe and others. So

434
00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:11,813
Speaker 5: the changes, the late changes tend to happen on the edge.

435
00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,973
Speaker 5: So I agree with you that it's a smart move

436
00:23:13,973 --> 00:23:16,453
Speaker 5: from Tallaire to take the cash. My understanding as he's

437
00:23:16,773 --> 00:23:20,293
Speaker 5: doubling his New Zealand salary go to Japan, have that

438
00:23:20,373 --> 00:23:25,493
Speaker 5: security of a three year contract. But it does still

439
00:23:25,493 --> 00:23:27,453
Speaker 5: feel like he's got a lot more to give. And

440
00:23:28,053 --> 00:23:31,813
Speaker 5: he's an exceptional finisher. We've seen that twicking him against

441
00:23:31,853 --> 00:23:34,773
Speaker 5: England last year. For the Blues this season, despite very

442
00:23:34,813 --> 00:23:39,253
Speaker 5: limited chances, he goes roaming off his wing. He's deceptively strong,

443
00:23:39,733 --> 00:23:42,773
Speaker 5: great feats, good in the air. I think he's improved

444
00:23:42,813 --> 00:23:45,133
Speaker 5: a lot. But this is also a guy that's emerged

445
00:23:45,173 --> 00:23:49,453
Speaker 5: from west Auckland. He spent three years at North Harbor

446
00:23:49,573 --> 00:23:51,733
Speaker 5: before he even cracked the Blues. And then there's this

447
00:23:51,853 --> 00:23:56,133
Speaker 5: massive money contract on the table. You take the money

448
00:23:56,133 --> 00:23:56,933
Speaker 5: and run, don't you.

449
00:23:57,053 --> 00:23:57,453
Speaker 2: You have to?

450
00:23:57,613 --> 00:24:00,853
Speaker 3: I think, and look, as I said, late bloomer. For me,

451
00:24:00,973 --> 00:24:02,933
Speaker 3: he was a player. Even when he was named in

452
00:24:02,933 --> 00:24:07,573
Speaker 3: the All Blacks. I was like, really, and he's obviously

453
00:24:07,653 --> 00:24:09,933
Speaker 3: made him repost Winno since that debut in Scotland and

454
00:24:10,213 --> 00:24:11,173
Speaker 3: Inner twenty two, but.

455
00:24:11,333 --> 00:24:13,573
Speaker 5: Well yeah he was after the twenty twenty three will

456
00:24:13,613 --> 00:24:14,693
Speaker 5: cut well breakthrough player.

457
00:24:14,933 --> 00:24:17,853
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah to me, it didn't like it. Obviously been

458
00:24:17,853 --> 00:24:19,893
Speaker 3: a good super ruggie player, but he didn't strike me

459
00:24:19,933 --> 00:24:23,213
Speaker 3: as an international player. But Ian Foster and the All

460
00:24:23,213 --> 00:24:26,693
Speaker 3: Blacks staff saw something in him in twenty twenty two.

461
00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:28,533
Speaker 3: He was in the camp before that and then made

462
00:24:28,573 --> 00:24:33,093
Speaker 3: his debut that clearly they found an international player there

463
00:24:33,213 --> 00:24:36,293
Speaker 3: and so look, your one injury away, aren't you as

464
00:24:36,453 --> 00:24:38,613
Speaker 3: a winger in that sort of age of your career

465
00:24:38,813 --> 00:24:43,173
Speaker 3: from plunging down the pecking orders. So smart move for him.

466
00:24:43,533 --> 00:24:46,573
Speaker 3: The question being though Limb, would you select them for

467
00:24:46,613 --> 00:24:48,893
Speaker 3: the All Blacks this year? He's not going into November?

468
00:24:48,933 --> 00:24:50,613
Speaker 3: Would you select them for the All Blacks?

469
00:24:51,373 --> 00:24:54,733
Speaker 5: Just before I get to that last year, I think

470
00:24:54,773 --> 00:24:59,093
Speaker 5: another selection of failure to start the year that the

471
00:24:59,133 --> 00:25:00,853
Speaker 5: All Black should have picked him earlier. I thought they

472
00:25:00,853 --> 00:25:03,973
Speaker 5: showed too much faith in sev Reese and mark Talia

473
00:25:04,133 --> 00:25:07,773
Speaker 5: was is a better player, and I think that was

474
00:25:07,813 --> 00:25:10,693
Speaker 5: part of the between Leo McDonald and Scott Robertson as well,

475
00:25:11,413 --> 00:25:13,653
Speaker 5: until I should have more than nineteen tests. He finished

476
00:25:13,653 --> 00:25:17,293
Speaker 5: the year starting four of the five tests on that

477
00:25:17,373 --> 00:25:20,253
Speaker 5: Northern Tour and the one test at seven arrested play

478
00:25:20,973 --> 00:25:21,973
Speaker 5: got badly gassed.

479
00:25:22,053 --> 00:25:25,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, by Louis Bell's in Paris.

480
00:25:25,493 --> 00:25:28,173
Speaker 5: So look, he will be a big loss and we'll

481
00:25:28,173 --> 00:25:31,453
Speaker 5: talk about who is potential replacement.

482
00:25:31,533 --> 00:25:32,613
Speaker 4: So what was your question again?

483
00:25:32,813 --> 00:25:34,453
Speaker 2: Would you select him for the All Blacks this year?

484
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:34,933
Speaker 5: No?

485
00:25:34,933 --> 00:25:37,013
Speaker 3: No, So he's notible, so he is eligible until he

486
00:25:37,053 --> 00:25:38,173
Speaker 3: goes and you wouldn't pick.

487
00:25:38,093 --> 00:25:41,213
Speaker 4: Him until, Yeah, he's eligible, No, I wouldn't. I think.

488
00:25:42,493 --> 00:25:45,613
Speaker 5: You've got to invest in the guys that are staying

489
00:25:45,613 --> 00:25:50,613
Speaker 5: now that and look that's case by case basis, but

490
00:25:51,333 --> 00:25:54,293
Speaker 5: I think two years out from a World Cup you've

491
00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:59,493
Speaker 5: got to start solidifying that back three build, combinations, cohesion. Yeah,

492
00:25:59,533 --> 00:26:02,733
Speaker 5: I think it's time to move on you.

493
00:26:05,293 --> 00:26:09,533
Speaker 3: I probably would select them up until I probably see

494
00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:14,053
Speaker 3: the RUGA Championship and then look to move on. I think, yes,

495
00:26:14,173 --> 00:26:16,173
Speaker 3: lead them until the end of the RAGA Championship, then

496
00:26:16,453 --> 00:26:17,733
Speaker 3: not take him on the end of year tour. I

497
00:26:17,773 --> 00:26:21,533
Speaker 3: think would be the way I'll go probably half and

498
00:26:21,653 --> 00:26:23,773
Speaker 3: half approach from me, But I honestly think that he's

499
00:26:23,773 --> 00:26:25,973
Speaker 3: still got something to give for the All Blacks and

500
00:26:27,013 --> 00:26:30,773
Speaker 3: with end of year tour coming plus two years after

501
00:26:30,773 --> 00:26:34,253
Speaker 3: that before a World Cup, you can build talent and

502
00:26:34,293 --> 00:26:36,373
Speaker 3: depth here. He is still one of the best wingers

503
00:26:36,373 --> 00:26:39,653
Speaker 3: in the country. He is going after the season. If

504
00:26:39,693 --> 00:26:41,973
Speaker 3: he happened to not announce it until later on in

505
00:26:41,973 --> 00:26:45,493
Speaker 3: the year, then he probably still would be selected, So

506
00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:49,093
Speaker 3: I'd stick with him for at least the first half

507
00:26:49,133 --> 00:26:49,493
Speaker 3: of the year.

508
00:26:51,013 --> 00:26:56,253
Speaker 5: One other question before we go onto successors or alternatives,

509
00:26:57,493 --> 00:27:01,653
Speaker 5: do we have any issue with Steve Hanson then Ian

510
00:27:01,733 --> 00:27:04,973
Speaker 5: Foster recruiting players out in New Zealand All Blacks on

511
00:27:05,853 --> 00:27:10,573
Speaker 5: three year contracts for more Black coaches clearly leveraging relationships

512
00:27:10,733 --> 00:27:13,173
Speaker 5: or is it just part and pass or professional.

513
00:27:12,773 --> 00:27:14,573
Speaker 3: Part and parcel of professional sport. I don't have a

514
00:27:14,613 --> 00:27:18,413
Speaker 3: huge issue I think with it. I think if marx

515
00:27:18,453 --> 00:27:20,813
Speaker 3: Ley didn't want to go, he wouldn't have gone, you know,

516
00:27:21,493 --> 00:27:24,693
Speaker 3: if the offer had come from another club, like clearly

517
00:27:25,773 --> 00:27:28,813
Speaker 3: potentially there's obviously you know, Ian Foster knows him well,

518
00:27:28,973 --> 00:27:29,453
Speaker 3: sleeped up.

519
00:27:29,373 --> 00:27:31,413
Speaker 2: First lifted him in the All Blacks, but.

520
00:27:32,933 --> 00:27:36,053
Speaker 3: Could have come from Suntory, Sunkle Life, could come from anyone.

521
00:27:36,213 --> 00:27:38,173
Speaker 3: And I don't think that plays a huge part and

522
00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:40,133
Speaker 3: haven't got a major issue with it, do you.

523
00:27:41,173 --> 00:27:41,733
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

524
00:27:43,173 --> 00:27:47,973
Speaker 5: Ok, maybe he wouldn't have got that kind of enticing

525
00:27:47,973 --> 00:27:50,333
Speaker 5: deal if it hadn't come from those guys. They know

526
00:27:50,413 --> 00:27:52,973
Speaker 5: his talent really well and they know what he can offer.

527
00:27:53,253 --> 00:27:54,213
Speaker 5: He'll rip it up.

528
00:27:54,133 --> 00:27:56,133
Speaker 2: In Japan totally and he's going to suit their game.

529
00:27:56,173 --> 00:27:56,293
Speaker 2: You know.

530
00:27:56,333 --> 00:27:58,693
Speaker 3: Look at Joey Mardhu who has been on the right

531
00:27:58,693 --> 00:28:02,573
Speaker 3: wing essentially is replaced Marxley is essentially replacing Joey Mardho

532
00:28:02,893 --> 00:28:04,653
Speaker 3: mart who's had a number of good finishes as a

533
00:28:04,653 --> 00:28:08,173
Speaker 3: player that hasn't really played much union. And the way

534
00:28:08,373 --> 00:28:12,253
Speaker 3: the Japanese top league game is structured, a lot of

535
00:28:12,253 --> 00:28:14,173
Speaker 3: the Wings get a lot of ball and we're seeking

536
00:28:14,173 --> 00:28:16,813
Speaker 3: to Vita League out there and had huge success. Wings

537
00:28:17,253 --> 00:28:19,773
Speaker 3: earned their dime up there, they scored a lot of tries.

538
00:28:20,853 --> 00:28:22,133
Speaker 3: So I think it was slot and.

539
00:28:22,093 --> 00:28:26,493
Speaker 5: Will yeah, big upgrade on joe Marno in terms of experience,

540
00:28:26,613 --> 00:28:30,933
Speaker 5: proven talent on the on the international scene in rugby

541
00:28:31,013 --> 00:28:36,333
Speaker 5: union context. Anyway, successes Sevarice is the obvious guy to

542
00:28:36,373 --> 00:28:40,253
Speaker 5: benefit your boys shave Fi Hackey probably moves up another

543
00:28:40,333 --> 00:28:42,773
Speaker 5: rung after being called in as injury cover last year.

544
00:28:43,413 --> 00:28:45,573
Speaker 4: You've got what you got to say.

545
00:28:45,613 --> 00:28:48,333
Speaker 3: I would just say he was badly left out on

546
00:28:48,373 --> 00:28:51,013
Speaker 3: the weekend and that a j Lamb try, which is

547
00:28:51,053 --> 00:28:51,853
Speaker 3: only one instance.

548
00:28:51,893 --> 00:28:53,973
Speaker 2: But when Hoskins are two do through that. No.

549
00:28:54,053 --> 00:28:56,853
Speaker 3: Look past that we'll get to in a minute. Fee

550
00:28:56,853 --> 00:28:58,333
Speaker 3: Hockey was no able to be seeing a j Lamb

551
00:28:58,373 --> 00:29:01,853
Speaker 3: schools that try. So there's a few defensive deficiencies there

552
00:29:01,893 --> 00:29:02,973
Speaker 3: for mister Hackey.

553
00:29:03,413 --> 00:29:06,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, defensively in particular. I think he has been exposed

554
00:29:06,333 --> 00:29:10,293
Speaker 5: a couple of times. Yeah, I remember the Fijian Durua

555
00:29:10,933 --> 00:29:13,133
Speaker 5: as well, had a bit of a field day there.

556
00:29:14,293 --> 00:29:18,653
Speaker 5: You've got Caleb Tonguey towel, guys like Kennin the Hoolo

557
00:29:19,213 --> 00:29:23,213
Speaker 5: Tava Tavanawa for you're looking for an out and ou empowering. Obviously,

558
00:29:23,213 --> 00:29:27,773
Speaker 5: Caleb Clark's the incumbent on the left given the Crusader's

559
00:29:27,813 --> 00:29:30,133
Speaker 5: bias and the all Blacks is as simple as seven

560
00:29:30,093 --> 00:29:31,293
Speaker 5: in shaefee hockey come in.

561
00:29:31,373 --> 00:29:32,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be that simple.

562
00:29:32,253 --> 00:29:35,133
Speaker 3: Actually, No, I think there are actually a number of

563
00:29:35,173 --> 00:29:37,853
Speaker 3: wingers there that maybe aren't quite at the top of

564
00:29:37,893 --> 00:29:38,213
Speaker 3: the game.

565
00:29:38,373 --> 00:29:38,573
Speaker 2: Just ye.

566
00:29:38,773 --> 00:29:40,373
Speaker 3: Caleb Tungu Tow has had an excellent season for the

567
00:29:40,413 --> 00:29:43,293
Speaker 3: Honders and he was impressive and SEVENS continues to build

568
00:29:43,373 --> 00:29:47,733
Speaker 3: quite nicely. Yeah, he's another one. Another player as well

569
00:29:47,893 --> 00:29:49,413
Speaker 3: that I thought was quite good for the Hurricanes on

570
00:29:49,413 --> 00:29:52,493
Speaker 3: the weekend. Is he fineng and awful who was again

571
00:29:52,573 --> 00:29:56,733
Speaker 3: out of the SEVENS program, big player body presence on

572
00:29:56,773 --> 00:29:59,573
Speaker 3: the park. He to me seems like someone that could

573
00:29:59,613 --> 00:30:01,333
Speaker 3: be in the All Blacks mix before not too long

574
00:30:01,413 --> 00:30:01,733
Speaker 3: as well.

575
00:30:01,813 --> 00:30:03,573
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's any shortage of players.

576
00:30:03,573 --> 00:30:04,973
Speaker 3: It can be interesting to see whether they go to

577
00:30:05,093 --> 00:30:07,413
Speaker 3: I think if I was gonna pick one right now,

578
00:30:07,653 --> 00:30:08,333
Speaker 3: Caleb Tonguytown.

579
00:30:09,293 --> 00:30:12,693
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's probably between given them, you're looking

580
00:30:12,733 --> 00:30:17,653
Speaker 5: at thirty two players in July. Maybe in eighteen what's

581
00:30:17,693 --> 00:30:22,733
Speaker 5: that fourteen splits. It could come down to a Ruben

582
00:30:22,813 --> 00:30:26,453
Speaker 5: Love against the Shaeffie Hockey Ruben Love had spent a

583
00:30:26,533 --> 00:30:28,253
Speaker 5: little bit of time on the wing for the All Blacks.

584
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:32,253
Speaker 5: To actually see him playing there, not too sure, but yeah,

585
00:30:32,253 --> 00:30:34,693
Speaker 5: I would not be shocked to see fear Hacke get

586
00:30:34,693 --> 00:30:35,053
Speaker 5: the call.

587
00:30:35,053 --> 00:30:37,133
Speaker 2: Up exciting times.

588
00:30:37,493 --> 00:30:40,533
Speaker 3: We will get into now the weekend that was, and

589
00:30:40,613 --> 00:30:43,693
Speaker 3: let's start with that Force Hurricanes game on Saturday night.

590
00:30:45,533 --> 00:30:49,333
Speaker 3: Where do you begin? This was not a great game

591
00:30:49,373 --> 00:30:52,533
Speaker 3: of rugby in all honesty. Hurricanes had chance to win

592
00:30:52,613 --> 00:30:56,413
Speaker 3: it in super Point with Ruben Love's drop goal. The

593
00:30:56,453 --> 00:30:58,253
Speaker 3: Force had a penalty goal on a drop goal and

594
00:30:58,293 --> 00:31:00,733
Speaker 3: at a time. To be honest, the draw seems pretty

595
00:31:00,773 --> 00:31:04,093
Speaker 3: fair on the basis of that ninety minutes of rugby.

596
00:31:04,213 --> 00:31:08,013
Speaker 5: Yeah, two teams that didn't take their chances essentially as

597
00:31:08,053 --> 00:31:10,173
Speaker 5: you meant, and they both had cracksit it late in

598
00:31:10,213 --> 00:31:13,693
Speaker 5: the match. Cullum Harkin, who I did thought does some

599
00:31:13,773 --> 00:31:17,653
Speaker 5: really good things from fallback, went through the line and

600
00:31:17,933 --> 00:31:20,333
Speaker 5: all had men inside and out. He went the inside

601
00:31:20,333 --> 00:31:22,533
Speaker 5: ball and completely missed cam Roy guards. So that was

602
00:31:22,573 --> 00:31:26,413
Speaker 5: a blown opportunity for the Hurricanes to win with twenty

603
00:31:26,413 --> 00:31:30,533
Speaker 5: odd minutes remaining. Yeah, it's not been a great season

604
00:31:30,533 --> 00:31:33,093
Speaker 5: for the Canes and that was a game they really

605
00:31:33,133 --> 00:31:36,413
Speaker 5: really had to win. They're still in the mix, but

606
00:31:36,893 --> 00:31:40,133
Speaker 5: the way they're playing, they're not I would not cast

607
00:31:40,133 --> 00:31:41,373
Speaker 5: them as any form of contender.

608
00:31:41,413 --> 00:31:43,533
Speaker 3: We've got a tricky trip to the Brumbies this weekend

609
00:31:43,613 --> 00:31:47,093
Speaker 3: where they do not traditionally play that well. We've lost

610
00:31:47,093 --> 00:31:48,933
Speaker 3: a number of quarter finals there in the last few

611
00:31:48,973 --> 00:31:51,573
Speaker 3: years or knockout games I probably should say not at

612
00:31:51,573 --> 00:31:53,093
Speaker 3: a ground they tend to play it well, and they

613
00:31:53,173 --> 00:31:57,853
Speaker 3: just seem to be lacking up things this season. You know,

614
00:31:57,853 --> 00:31:59,933
Speaker 3: they've changed ten a little bit. We saw rubin love

615
00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:03,173
Speaker 3: and there on the weekend. I don't think they're getting

616
00:32:03,453 --> 00:32:05,333
Speaker 3: enough out of their pack and all honestly, there's a

617
00:32:05,453 --> 00:32:07,093
Speaker 3: lot of names in that pack that are you know,

618
00:32:07,173 --> 00:32:10,893
Speaker 3: All Blacks contenders or have been mentioned in All Blacks contenders.

619
00:32:11,373 --> 00:32:13,013
Speaker 3: I don't think they're getting enough out of that. They've

620
00:32:13,053 --> 00:32:14,853
Speaker 3: changed the front row a number of times. And this

621
00:32:14,893 --> 00:32:16,613
Speaker 3: is what happens, and we saw it with the Crusaders

622
00:32:16,693 --> 00:32:18,693
Speaker 3: last year, is that when you're not winning, you begin

623
00:32:18,773 --> 00:32:21,093
Speaker 3: to tinker and you have injuries of course, which the

624
00:32:21,173 --> 00:32:25,373
Speaker 3: Hurricanes have had. But consistency is so key in Super

625
00:32:25,413 --> 00:32:27,733
Speaker 3: rugby and the Hurricanes just don't have it and haven't

626
00:32:27,773 --> 00:32:29,533
Speaker 3: had it with the selections I've had this year.

627
00:32:30,013 --> 00:32:33,493
Speaker 5: That's a good point, isn't it That selection consistency does

628
00:32:34,373 --> 00:32:37,173
Speaker 5: is massive in terms of building some form of cohesion.

629
00:32:37,293 --> 00:32:39,333
Speaker 5: And you're right, they haven't got enough from their pack.

630
00:32:39,533 --> 00:32:42,613
Speaker 5: They had some late starts with Tyrorolomax and are more

631
00:32:42,653 --> 00:32:45,493
Speaker 5: coming back that hurt them. But more is on record

632
00:32:45,533 --> 00:32:48,653
Speaker 5: that he's not playing the way he wants. Xavier Numa

633
00:32:48,773 --> 00:32:52,933
Speaker 5: is another All Black contender you'd want to be stamping

634
00:32:53,533 --> 00:32:58,053
Speaker 5: his authority. Guys like Peter Lukeye haven't really kicked on

635
00:32:58,133 --> 00:33:00,613
Speaker 5: the season as you'd expect. Having been called into the

636
00:33:00,613 --> 00:33:05,173
Speaker 5: All Blacks. Turuben Loves struggled to assert his authority obviously

637
00:33:05,213 --> 00:33:09,533
Speaker 5: thrust into the ten jersey, very different for him. You've

638
00:33:09,573 --> 00:33:12,413
Speaker 5: got guys like Belly Proctor making his comeback off the bench.

639
00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:17,973
Speaker 5: So yeah, a lot of chopping and changing and it has.

640
00:33:17,933 --> 00:33:19,373
Speaker 4: Effected them, affected them.

641
00:33:19,413 --> 00:33:21,493
Speaker 5: They've lost a couple of really close games against the

642
00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:26,453
Speaker 5: Blues that have tipped the season the wrong way. And yeah,

643
00:33:26,573 --> 00:33:28,373
Speaker 5: very close to drawing a line through the Canes at

644
00:33:28,373 --> 00:33:29,293
Speaker 5: this point.

645
00:33:29,053 --> 00:33:32,213
Speaker 2: Which is remarkable given they are three points outside the.

646
00:33:32,133 --> 00:33:35,093
Speaker 5: Top six and they topped the log last year, which was,

647
00:33:36,013 --> 00:33:39,053
Speaker 5: you know, well exceeded expectations, I think in Clark Ladler's

648
00:33:39,093 --> 00:33:40,133
Speaker 5: first year at the Helm.

649
00:33:40,253 --> 00:33:43,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. The Chiefs beating the hind Is forty

650
00:33:43,173 --> 00:33:45,413
Speaker 3: sixteen Earlier in that night. I can't remember. We went

651
00:33:45,493 --> 00:33:46,653
Speaker 3: to this a few weeks ago where you had drawn

652
00:33:46,693 --> 00:33:51,453
Speaker 3: a line through the Hinders, but thirteen ten they trailed.

653
00:33:51,453 --> 00:33:53,853
Speaker 3: I think it was at halftime and just didn't turn

654
00:33:53,933 --> 00:33:56,933
Speaker 3: up for the second spell. The game was done essentially

655
00:33:56,933 --> 00:34:00,213
Speaker 3: in a ten minute burst after halftime or fifteen minute burst.

656
00:34:00,213 --> 00:34:00,853
Speaker 2: It might have been.

657
00:34:02,453 --> 00:34:04,573
Speaker 3: If your light came back from the second half and

658
00:34:04,973 --> 00:34:06,813
Speaker 3: you would have flicked them TV on. God, wasn't it

659
00:34:06,813 --> 00:34:08,733
Speaker 3: thirteen ten at half times? Thirty fourteen? The blink of

660
00:34:08,733 --> 00:34:10,693
Speaker 3: an eye? I mean, that's on one side what the

661
00:34:10,773 --> 00:34:12,493
Speaker 3: Chiefs are capable of doing, and they can do that

662
00:34:12,493 --> 00:34:15,413
Speaker 3: to teams on the other side. Really poured from the Honders,

663
00:34:16,613 --> 00:34:19,093
Speaker 3: you know, not letting it slip necessarily because you know

664
00:34:19,213 --> 00:34:21,893
Speaker 3: there's no shame in losing to the Chiefs. But the

665
00:34:21,933 --> 00:34:25,813
Speaker 3: way they lost I thought was really disappointing from the Honders.

666
00:34:26,053 --> 00:34:28,653
Speaker 5: A bit of a double edged swordeers a reaction from the Chiefs,

667
00:34:28,693 --> 00:34:31,933
Speaker 5: and particularly they're senior players, guys like McKenzie and Luke

668
00:34:32,013 --> 00:34:36,373
Speaker 5: Jacobson and others who went to Sydney the previous week

669
00:34:36,413 --> 00:34:39,773
Speaker 5: and you know had a chakra against the Tars, So

670
00:34:40,053 --> 00:34:42,773
Speaker 5: part reaction from the Chiefs and they're always much better

671
00:34:42,773 --> 00:34:45,813
Speaker 5: in Hamilton, and they're always much better when they I

672
00:34:45,813 --> 00:34:49,573
Speaker 5: don't know mentally dialed in fully, but yeah, probably a

673
00:34:49,613 --> 00:34:52,693
Speaker 5: real stark reality check about where the Landers sit as well.

674
00:34:53,253 --> 00:34:55,853
Speaker 5: Has been a season of near misses for them, but

675
00:34:56,133 --> 00:34:57,813
Speaker 5: they weren't even close in that one.

676
00:34:57,733 --> 00:35:00,053
Speaker 3: No, they And they've got a tough run home as well.

677
00:35:00,373 --> 00:35:04,133
Speaker 3: I think they've got all Kiwi derbies to finish form

678
00:35:04,133 --> 00:35:06,533
Speaker 3: re member, got Moana next week and got Crusaders twice

679
00:35:06,533 --> 00:35:08,893
Speaker 3: still to come, so they've got a really rocky run

680
00:35:08,893 --> 00:35:12,533
Speaker 3: in again. Similar to the Hurricanes. There are only four

681
00:35:12,533 --> 00:35:14,893
Speaker 3: points outside the top six, but it's just hard to

682
00:35:14,933 --> 00:35:18,133
Speaker 3: see them getting enough points to crack their way in

683
00:35:18,173 --> 00:35:19,013
Speaker 3: there and stay there.

684
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:19,653
Speaker 2: Yeah.

685
00:35:19,733 --> 00:35:21,853
Speaker 5: No, everyone can make can they? And there's going to

686
00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:25,373
Speaker 5: be a bit of cannibalization, particularly among the Kiwi teams

687
00:35:25,373 --> 00:35:26,173
Speaker 5: in the coming weeks.

688
00:35:26,213 --> 00:35:28,933
Speaker 3: There is in Deeds Brumby's beating one in Pacific at

689
00:35:28,973 --> 00:35:32,053
Speaker 3: twenty four nil in Bookacoe. I commentated this game for

690
00:35:32,093 --> 00:35:34,893
Speaker 3: gold Sport and iHeartRadio. It was a very odd game

691
00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:39,253
Speaker 3: of rugby nil with forty minutes up on the clock

692
00:35:39,533 --> 00:35:43,373
Speaker 3: at Pookacoe. Corey Tool scores for the Brumbies just four

693
00:35:43,413 --> 00:35:45,053
Speaker 3: half time, so it was five nil. We did have

694
00:35:45,053 --> 00:35:48,333
Speaker 3: some half time highlights to play at the break and

695
00:35:48,533 --> 00:35:52,133
Speaker 3: then the Brumbi just kicked on after halftime. Mulwana missed

696
00:35:52,133 --> 00:35:56,173
Speaker 3: some opportunities before halftime. They had five men line outs

697
00:35:56,173 --> 00:35:58,293
Speaker 3: in the first spell that were closed to the line.

698
00:35:58,533 --> 00:36:00,493
Speaker 3: Just couldn't take their opportunities. And for the team that

699
00:36:00,573 --> 00:36:03,053
Speaker 3: has scored the most points in Super Rugby this year

700
00:36:03,053 --> 00:36:06,693
Speaker 3: to be kept scoreless, the Brumbis again made a lot

701
00:36:06,733 --> 00:36:08,933
Speaker 3: of errors themselves. They were well behind on the penalty

702
00:36:08,933 --> 00:36:10,373
Speaker 3: count at one stage I think it was twelve to

703
00:36:10,373 --> 00:36:12,773
Speaker 3: three or something like that, but they just hung tough

704
00:36:12,893 --> 00:36:17,413
Speaker 3: and they waited for Maia essentially to lose the game

705
00:36:17,533 --> 00:36:20,693
Speaker 3: rather than the Brumbi's rolling over and win it, which

706
00:36:20,733 --> 00:36:22,613
Speaker 3: I think it probably sounds unfeair the Brumbies. I don't

707
00:36:22,613 --> 00:36:25,213
Speaker 3: mean that as a criticism, but they gave him one

708
00:36:25,213 --> 00:36:27,253
Speaker 3: to plenty of chances and White didn't take them. So

709
00:36:27,293 --> 00:36:29,573
Speaker 3: the Brumbies, we'll just go roll down the field and

710
00:36:29,613 --> 00:36:30,173
Speaker 3: do our job.

711
00:36:30,653 --> 00:36:35,453
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brumbies did what they had to do, tightened it up, efficient, effective,

712
00:36:36,533 --> 00:36:40,693
Speaker 5: uninspiring to a degree, but very challenging. Conditions, it must

713
00:36:40,693 --> 00:36:44,053
Speaker 5: be said. And the point you made about Mayana scoring

714
00:36:44,093 --> 00:36:47,013
Speaker 5: so many points, that's the concern, isn't it just rarely

715
00:36:47,013 --> 00:36:50,853
Speaker 5: struggled to get something going. And there's a few factors there.

716
00:36:50,893 --> 00:36:53,693
Speaker 5: Maybe there's a bit of a come down trying to

717
00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:57,333
Speaker 5: sustain that level. They are a team on the rise,

718
00:36:57,373 --> 00:36:59,493
Speaker 5: but they are not there yet and they don't have

719
00:36:59,533 --> 00:37:04,413
Speaker 5: the same quality of roster as their Kiwi capec companions.

720
00:37:04,853 --> 00:37:08,293
Speaker 5: And also I think they've been a lot better at Alvin.

721
00:37:08,773 --> 00:37:11,693
Speaker 5: I don't know the logistics around having to move these

722
00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:15,773
Speaker 5: home games, but having one clear home base does help,

723
00:37:15,933 --> 00:37:17,973
Speaker 5: and you know, rather than having to go all the

724
00:37:18,013 --> 00:37:21,853
Speaker 5: ads and Pokey trying to cultivate a bit of atmosphere

725
00:37:21,893 --> 00:37:24,093
Speaker 5: there hasn't got the same feel for them.

726
00:37:24,093 --> 00:37:25,853
Speaker 3: No, And this was the second game they took to

727
00:37:25,853 --> 00:37:28,413
Speaker 3: Pokey this year. They had to be the Chiefs game

728
00:37:28,413 --> 00:37:30,173
Speaker 3: which was ritally in Tonga. But I think you're right

729
00:37:31,093 --> 00:37:34,933
Speaker 3: that's North Harbor Stadium is a ground they like playing at.

730
00:37:34,933 --> 00:37:37,213
Speaker 3: It's a training base as well. It's familiar to them

731
00:37:37,733 --> 00:37:39,453
Speaker 3: and maybe used to listen there for some of the

732
00:37:39,493 --> 00:37:42,933
Speaker 3: wider staff. Just let's just make this our home and

733
00:37:42,973 --> 00:37:45,373
Speaker 3: make sure it's the place we play it more often

734
00:37:45,413 --> 00:37:47,733
Speaker 3: than not. Yeah, no Ardea either, that's right, and that

735
00:37:47,733 --> 00:37:50,573
Speaker 3: I mean that is becoming an issue for them to

736
00:37:50,613 --> 00:37:53,933
Speaker 3: an extent that when Ardie's not there, they're not.

737
00:37:53,893 --> 00:37:57,813
Speaker 4: There and he's not there all next year, which.

738
00:37:57,613 --> 00:37:59,573
Speaker 3: Is again you know, worrying for it for Moana. So

739
00:38:00,213 --> 00:38:03,973
Speaker 3: that's an intriguing old question. Friday Night, Crusaders and Blues

740
00:38:04,013 --> 00:38:06,413
Speaker 3: twenty five to twenty two. James O'Connor wins it late

741
00:38:06,453 --> 00:38:10,973
Speaker 3: for the Crusaders. They take the points. This was a

742
00:38:11,053 --> 00:38:13,253
Speaker 3: ding dong battle in many ways. What the Crusaders are

743
00:38:13,253 --> 00:38:15,613
Speaker 3: getting on top at nineteen seven? The Blues come back

744
00:38:15,613 --> 00:38:18,893
Speaker 3: a couple of moments, began to get the ascendency fella.

745
00:38:18,973 --> 00:38:21,013
Speaker 3: They were rolling over the Crusaders for a point. But

746
00:38:21,773 --> 00:38:23,933
Speaker 3: Crusaders do what they did best and just roll the

747
00:38:23,973 --> 00:38:27,493
Speaker 3: sleeves up, work a couple of scrum penalties and get

748
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:28,013
Speaker 3: the victory.

749
00:38:28,013 --> 00:38:29,053
Speaker 2: What did you make of that game?

750
00:38:29,733 --> 00:38:32,173
Speaker 5: It's felt like a game that the Blues lost more

751
00:38:32,173 --> 00:38:35,573
Speaker 5: than the Crusaders won. The heads the Blues heads. Crusaders

752
00:38:35,613 --> 00:38:37,933
Speaker 5: had to make at least double the amount of tackles.

753
00:38:37,973 --> 00:38:42,373
Speaker 5: The Blues dominated territory position. They were hammering away Crusaders

754
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:45,413
Speaker 5: line number of different eras. I didn't think it was

755
00:38:45,493 --> 00:38:49,453
Speaker 5: Nick Berry's best refereeing performance across the board. No, but

756
00:38:49,813 --> 00:38:53,453
Speaker 5: look the Blues ample opportunity and it was the late

757
00:38:54,933 --> 00:38:58,173
Speaker 5: scrum substitutions that won it for the Crusaders. James O'Connor

758
00:38:58,213 --> 00:39:01,293
Speaker 5: steps up to keep the match winner. And now the

759
00:39:01,413 --> 00:39:04,693
Speaker 5: suggestions out of cross shit he's the best recruit in

760
00:39:04,693 --> 00:39:05,613
Speaker 5: Super rugby history.

761
00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:07,653
Speaker 2: Well hard to argue, really, isn't it.

762
00:39:09,813 --> 00:39:11,853
Speaker 3: Look he's proving a quality finisher and I know there's been

763
00:39:11,853 --> 00:39:14,653
Speaker 3: a lot of calls for him to start games chrussead

764
00:39:14,733 --> 00:39:17,813
Speaker 3: actually lost the only game he did start this season.

765
00:39:18,613 --> 00:39:22,493
Speaker 3: But what a player to have, you know, kicking a

766
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:24,453
Speaker 3: winning peny goal right at the end of the game.

767
00:39:24,533 --> 00:39:27,933
Speaker 3: Your tag is goal kicking leaves a lot to be desired.

768
00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:31,533
Speaker 3: Still at this point in his career, James O'Connor, you know,

769
00:39:31,773 --> 00:39:35,093
Speaker 3: clutch player comes in and clutch moments, and you know,

770
00:39:36,173 --> 00:39:38,773
Speaker 3: let's send out a bit of a facetious tweet suggesting

771
00:39:38,813 --> 00:39:40,253
Speaker 3: that maybe you could be in the All Blacks mix

772
00:39:40,333 --> 00:39:42,533
Speaker 3: come August when he's eligible. Turns out he's actually not

773
00:39:42,533 --> 00:39:44,573
Speaker 3: eligible for next year's played for Australia A in twenty

774
00:39:44,613 --> 00:39:48,453
Speaker 3: twenty three. But Whilab he's wise. He's got to be

775
00:39:48,453 --> 00:39:50,453
Speaker 3: in the mix of the lines, doesn't he. Yeah, there's

776
00:39:50,493 --> 00:39:52,173
Speaker 3: a lot of chatter about that at the moment, and

777
00:39:54,053 --> 00:39:56,693
Speaker 3: almost more from a squad perspective, just having a guy

778
00:39:56,813 --> 00:39:58,933
Speaker 3: like that who can cover so many positions. I think

779
00:39:59,013 --> 00:40:03,493
Speaker 3: you've you've heard the influence he's had on Takimra behind

780
00:40:03,493 --> 00:40:07,653
Speaker 3: the scenes, how he's been competitive, pushing for the jersey,

781
00:40:07,653 --> 00:40:10,773
Speaker 3: but still mature, were enough to know his role to

782
00:40:10,813 --> 00:40:13,533
Speaker 3: nurture those guys through. And you're right to catch twenty

783
00:40:13,533 --> 00:40:18,293
Speaker 3: two for the Crusaders because when O'Connor started against Moana,

784
00:40:18,573 --> 00:40:21,693
Speaker 3: and admittedly the whole team Crusaders team was off that day,

785
00:40:21,733 --> 00:40:25,453
Speaker 3: but he wasn't as effective as he has been coming

786
00:40:25,493 --> 00:40:27,253
Speaker 3: off the bench. And to have a guy like you

787
00:40:27,293 --> 00:40:31,093
Speaker 3: say to come on composed slower match when I like

788
00:40:31,133 --> 00:40:36,933
Speaker 3: that brilliant. So yeah, look, the Crusaders will banquet, but

789
00:40:37,213 --> 00:40:37,533
Speaker 3: I think.

790
00:40:37,453 --> 00:40:39,173
Speaker 5: They got out of jail with it there. Just on

791
00:40:39,213 --> 00:40:42,933
Speaker 5: the Blues, Boden Barrett very good again. Goal kick he

792
00:40:42,973 --> 00:40:46,573
Speaker 5: missed a couple but he was very good and hoskinstitut

793
00:40:46,693 --> 00:40:48,853
Speaker 5: to his best performance of the year. Not just a fleckball,

794
00:40:48,893 --> 00:40:53,333
Speaker 5: but just highly involved, very combative. Yeah, I thought he

795
00:40:53,373 --> 00:40:54,533
Speaker 5: really stood out for the Blues.

796
00:40:54,653 --> 00:40:55,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he was very, very good.

797
00:40:57,213 --> 00:41:00,653
Speaker 3: And look that pass was something you know, no advantage

798
00:41:00,693 --> 00:41:02,773
Speaker 3: being played, nothing like that. Just picked it up, throws

799
00:41:02,773 --> 00:41:05,253
Speaker 3: it out the back, saw the mismatch, trusted that a

800
00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:07,333
Speaker 3: j lamb was going to be there. I thought it

801
00:41:07,413 --> 00:41:09,933
Speaker 3: was a moment of brilliant from Hoskins to too to.

802
00:41:11,733 --> 00:41:12,333
Speaker 2: The Blues.

803
00:41:12,573 --> 00:41:14,213
Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned being close to drawing a line

804
00:41:14,213 --> 00:41:16,333
Speaker 3: through the Hurricanes are close to drawing a line through

805
00:41:16,373 --> 00:41:19,213
Speaker 3: the Blues. They are one point for the behind was

806
00:41:19,253 --> 00:41:22,173
Speaker 3: just three wins and six losses. They are fifteen points

807
00:41:22,173 --> 00:41:24,453
Speaker 3: off the top of the ladder, four points outside the playoffs.

808
00:41:25,093 --> 00:41:29,773
Speaker 5: No, I'm not because their roster Dalton Puppa lee is

809
00:41:30,493 --> 00:41:34,013
Speaker 5: you know, was a ankle in jury sides. They've got

810
00:41:34,093 --> 00:41:38,493
Speaker 5: depth in their loose forwards. Their roster is largely better

811
00:41:38,533 --> 00:41:40,013
Speaker 5: than it has been for most of the year. They

812
00:41:40,013 --> 00:41:44,933
Speaker 5: should should have could have won this game, and they've

813
00:41:44,973 --> 00:41:47,333
Speaker 5: got the game for the finals if they can sneak in.

814
00:41:47,413 --> 00:41:50,853
Speaker 5: They've got a very favorable draw compared to some even

815
00:41:50,893 --> 00:41:53,893
Speaker 5: their trip to I think it's suba that's a night game.

816
00:41:54,773 --> 00:41:57,933
Speaker 5: The Reds is a very difficult proposition in Brisbane, but

817
00:41:58,893 --> 00:42:01,293
Speaker 5: they are all winnable games on the run home for

818
00:42:01,333 --> 00:42:05,133
Speaker 5: the Blues. So I'm still thinking they make the top six.

819
00:42:05,173 --> 00:42:08,173
Speaker 3: Just on the Crusaders run home. It's actually quite tricky.

820
00:42:08,733 --> 00:42:11,933
Speaker 3: They've got the Highlanders twice, who again will have nothing

821
00:42:11,973 --> 00:42:13,813
Speaker 3: to lose. They've got them this weekend under the roof

822
00:42:13,813 --> 00:42:16,373
Speaker 3: in Dunedin and then the back time the Chiefs in

823
00:42:16,493 --> 00:42:21,013
Speaker 3: christ Church. They have the Wartas away where they lost

824
00:42:21,013 --> 00:42:24,653
Speaker 3: the Warhorse twice last year. The Brumbie is away to finish,

825
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:26,973
Speaker 3: so it's a tricky run home for the Crusaders. And

826
00:42:26,973 --> 00:42:31,333
Speaker 3: I don't think suggestions of being the top two lockedow

827
00:42:31,333 --> 00:42:33,893
Speaker 3: in Chrestry Say is final. I think it's far too

828
00:42:33,893 --> 00:42:36,653
Speaker 3: premature because I think the team, like the Brumbies, is

829
00:42:36,653 --> 00:42:37,933
Speaker 3: going to have a lot to say about that, and

830
00:42:37,933 --> 00:42:39,813
Speaker 3: maybe some of those other teams that around the outside

831
00:42:39,853 --> 00:42:40,173
Speaker 3: looking in.

832
00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:42,853
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this Crusaders still have a lot to

833
00:42:42,933 --> 00:42:46,253
Speaker 5: prove this year. They've been a wee bit Rocks and

834
00:42:46,293 --> 00:42:51,333
Speaker 5: Diamonds had some good wins, but as Rob Penny said,

835
00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:53,773
Speaker 5: they've been a bit schizophrenic at times as well, and

836
00:42:54,493 --> 00:42:56,373
Speaker 5: I agree, I don't think that top two is locked in.

837
00:42:56,533 --> 00:43:00,173
Speaker 5: And I also think that a team like the Blues,

838
00:43:00,213 --> 00:43:02,213
Speaker 5: if they sneak in that top six, you do not

839
00:43:02,253 --> 00:43:04,653
Speaker 5: want to be playing the Blues in the finals.

840
00:43:04,773 --> 00:43:08,173
Speaker 2: No you don't. So even if you do have home advantage.

841
00:43:07,733 --> 00:43:10,773
Speaker 5: That's a long way from a foregone conclusion. This COLMP

842
00:43:10,773 --> 00:43:12,453
Speaker 5: and we've seen that throughout the whole year.

843
00:43:12,493 --> 00:43:14,493
Speaker 3: Certainly have right Thet's take a quick break here on

844
00:43:14,573 --> 00:43:17,373
Speaker 3: rugby to come back and wrap up the podcast after this.

845
00:43:17,373 --> 00:43:21,493
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846
00:43:24,373 --> 00:43:28,293
Speaker 2: Every try try tends sixty sec. Every tackle tackle Get

847
00:43:28,373 --> 00:43:32,893
Speaker 2: up again, I take him afore time.

848
00:43:32,973 --> 00:43:34,133
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849
00:43:35,893 --> 00:43:38,293
Speaker 3: You're back with Rugby Direct, power by friend zad Habit

850
00:43:38,413 --> 00:43:42,453
Speaker 3: Health time out to get into our tipping and look,

851
00:43:42,813 --> 00:43:45,813
Speaker 3: you've gained a point on me Liam this week.

852
00:43:45,853 --> 00:43:47,133
Speaker 2: This is next Step City Man.

853
00:43:47,813 --> 00:43:51,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, de pick the Force, but luckily for you, half

854
00:43:51,973 --> 00:43:53,773
Speaker 3: a point from that one because it was a drawer.

855
00:43:54,493 --> 00:43:57,053
Speaker 3: He also picked the drawer Crusaders Chiefs. We both miss

856
00:43:57,093 --> 00:43:59,733
Speaker 3: out on Moana. I had the Crusaders, the Tars, mo

857
00:43:59,813 --> 00:44:02,053
Speaker 3: Wana Chiefs and Caine. So I lead thirty two and

858
00:44:02,053 --> 00:44:03,333
Speaker 3: a half to twenty six.

859
00:44:03,213 --> 00:44:03,693
Speaker 2: And a half.

860
00:44:04,493 --> 00:44:08,853
Speaker 5: Plenty of time left yet, mate, is there? I've always

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Speaker 5: been a long distance.

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Speaker 3: Well should us what you've got, Sam Ruth, because this

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Speaker 3: is the Anzac round Chiefs and Force in Mount mong

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Speaker 3: and Nui on Friday nights.

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Speaker 5: Well, I love the last post, Elliott. So this is

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Speaker 5: where I really come to. The four Chiefs won that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see the Chiefs not winning that Red

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00:44:30,133 --> 00:44:32,853
Speaker 3: toasting the Blues. The tap has them at a dol

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Speaker 3: already seven each looks about right. Blues Ire and the

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Speaker 3: Reds are gonna tip them up there and get the win.

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Speaker 2: Moana against the drawer.

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Speaker 4: Albany Rd be back for that Mona.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think ma Wana as well.

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Speaker 3: Highland is hosting the Crusaders in Dunedin Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: Lucky you have to go the Staters, don't you.

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think the game could be trickier

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Speaker 2: than it looks on paper. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Southern Derby inspies typically the best Jamie Joseph will be

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Speaker 5: have some stirring renditions and words and tails, and I'm

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Speaker 5: sure they'll get a few former legends and those sorts

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Speaker 5: of things.

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Speaker 3: Hardie Tony Brown's plays like No. Nine with the Crusaders

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Speaker 3: beat them in the final. Bring back Mitch Hunt for

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Speaker 3: a game for which side? For which side? For the

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Speaker 3: team he put the forty one meter drop goal against.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's done it both.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 3: Brumbies Hurricanes rounds us out in Canberra on Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: I think you're probably yeah Brumbies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Brumbies as well. I think too good at

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Speaker 3: home behind Hurricanes have a great record there.

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Speaker 2: In recent times.

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Speaker 4: N it's a tough place to go.

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Speaker 3: It is indeed right time for our three two ones

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Speaker 3: this weekend. Christian Leo Willie gets my three points, very

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Speaker 3: very good for the Crusaders on Friday night and just

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Speaker 3: putting himself further there all that conversation, calm down, he was,

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Speaker 3: he trained with them last year.

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Speaker 5: We had enough of this Crusaders by top Reggie in

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Speaker 5: a minute two points quins a fire good for the

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Speaker 5: Chiefs again and one goes Flitch and you'll not often

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Speaker 5: you see prop go eighty minutes integral right at the

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Speaker 5: end as they smash the blue scrum.

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Speaker 2: He gets my one point, Liam Ews.

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Speaker 5: Please the point is actually I think Angus Tarval went

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Speaker 5: seventy five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big shift for a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of rookie props coming on at the end and

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00:46:24,013 --> 00:46:26,293
Speaker 3: need to cost them and the injuries can't help. But

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Speaker 3: he didn't help the Blues.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm going to give three to Hoskins.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just as the pass or and just.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, he was highly involved and just to

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Speaker 5: keep Christian Leo really cancels it out right, I'll give

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Speaker 5: him two, but you know, just just pop down, pop down.

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Speaker 5: And I'm going to give one to came Roy Gaz.

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Speaker 5: I thought he snipe, tried hard for the Hurricanes. He's

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Speaker 5: still not playing as not at his best, no, but

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Speaker 5: doing his best in a struggling team.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how they get on this week in Camberley.

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Speaker 3: I think he was always welcome. Great to having back

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Speaker 3: on the podcast. We were back again next week. We're

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Speaker 3: our friends at Habit Health Techling well your aches and

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Speaker 3: pains from sport and work out.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Last and Bars English, and we'll see you

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Speaker 2: next week.

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