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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy ellan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected

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Speaker 1: you Storp said, b.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: Police Minister Mark Mitchell on what he's going to do

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Speaker 2: about those boy racers who are attacking the cops. We're

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Speaker 2: going to get reaction to the government's crackdown on drink driving.

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Speaker 2: Do we really want to revive the Wally Auckland overnight train?

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Speaker 2: And Nikola willis the Finance Minister with us as per

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Speaker 2: usual after.

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Speaker 1: Six Heather Duplicity Allen.

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Speaker 3: Now, look, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if you realize this, but part of the

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Speaker 2: government's drink driving crackdown was which was announced in the

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Speaker 2: last day or so, includes this. The cops will not

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Speaker 2: be fully paid all the money they owed until they

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Speaker 2: actually meet their breath testing targets. Now, how this works?

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Speaker 2: Okay that on first blush is going to sound alarming

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Speaker 2: to you. We're not giving the cops all their money.

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Speaker 2: But hear me out. How this works is that at

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Speaker 2: the moment, m ZTA, and for years MZTA has been

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Speaker 2: paying the police to do I think it's something like

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Speaker 2: one point three billion dollars, and that's to do road

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Speaker 2: policing right, keep the road safe for us. And included

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Speaker 2: in that is an expectation that they will do three

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Speaker 2: million breath tests a year. That has just been lifted

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Speaker 2: to three point three million breath tests. But for about

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Speaker 2: ten years, even though the cops were getting all of

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Speaker 2: this money, they were not doing the breath tests like

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Speaker 2: in some years, not even close that. For a couple

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Speaker 2: of years there they did less than half what they

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Speaker 2: were expected to do. They were supposed to do three million,

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Speaker 2: they only did one point four million breath tests, but

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Speaker 2: they still got the money. Now, in what other part

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Speaker 2: of the economy would we be okay paying for something

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Speaker 2: and then only getting half of it, being like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. Like imagine if you've got your plumb around

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Speaker 2: or your tyler, let's say it's tyler comes in to

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Speaker 2: do your bathroom only does half the job. Are you

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Speaker 2: gonna walk in there and go, oh, you've only done

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Speaker 2: half the job. Oh, that's okay. Keep the rest of

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Speaker 2: the money you deserve it. Shout yourself a nice holiday

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Speaker 2: to RaRo, do something nice for yourself, treat the kids,

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Speaker 2: treat the wife, no you wouldn't do that, So why

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Speaker 2: on earth would we expect MZTA to be shelling all

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Speaker 2: this money over to the cops and only getting half

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Speaker 2: of what they paying for. What's happened now is the

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Speaker 2: government has ruled that NZTA will be able to hold

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Speaker 2: onto seventy three million dollars, which actually isn't a lot

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Speaker 2: out of the one point three billion. So they hold

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Speaker 2: onto the seventy three million. They're only going to pay

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Speaker 2: the cops that money once the cops do all of

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Speaker 2: the required breath tests. Fair enough, because as you and

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Speaker 2: I would expect, NZTA has been pretty frustrated by this,

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Speaker 2: and this gives them a little bit of leverage to

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Speaker 2: be able to get what they're paying for. It will

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Speaker 2: also sharpen the minds of the police bosses, I would say,

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Speaker 2: and just generally, by the way, I cannot welcome this

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Speaker 2: crackdown on drink and drug driving enough. I've said it

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Speaker 2: before and I will say it again. Speed is not

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Speaker 2: the biggest killer on our roads. It's people who are

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Speaker 2: under the influence of drugs or drink, and the more

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Speaker 2: of them who get pinged and get stopped before they

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Speaker 2: hurt someone, the better together do for cel nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two is the text number. Standard text fees apply.

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Speaker 2: Now gas, the government's being urged to invest in reducing

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Speaker 2: household gas usage, basically forcing us or getting us to

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Speaker 2: what natural gas is left for the industrial users. The

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Speaker 2: ideas come from the Green Building Council. They think it's

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Speaker 2: time that households wean themselves off using gas for heating

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Speaker 2: that way, industrial exporters can have a little bit more

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Speaker 2: to play with. The Chief Executive of Energy Resources ULTS

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Speaker 2: here or John Carnegie, is with us on this. Hey, John,

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Speaker 2: is this the solution?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Look, you know, we applaud the efforts and certainly the intent.

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Speaker 5: You know, we all want energy efficient and low carbon houses,

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Speaker 5: you know, so we love that. But actually what we

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Speaker 5: do need to do is look for solutions to actually

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Speaker 5: protect all Kiwi's energy security and our economic prosperity, not

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Speaker 5: more subset.

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Speaker 2: Even if this was a solution, how would you do it, Like,

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Speaker 2: how would you actually encourage all of these households, hundreds

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's that's a great question. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: just not sure it's police cost solution. And actually, I

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Speaker 5: mean you you led into the in your intro. You know,

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Speaker 5: actually generally cost solution is about choices and not taking

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Speaker 5: options away. Actually, we're all about giving New Zealand as

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Speaker 5: all the options we can rather than taking them away.

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Speaker 5: And actually it won't surprise you that we think that

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Speaker 5: natural gas is pretty pretty important defeat in the mix

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Speaker 2: John, What is the solution though, Because if there is

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Speaker 2: only so much gas to go around, we are, as

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Speaker 2: households being prioritized to be the method X deal as

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Speaker 2: an example of that, right, and that's to the detriment

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Speaker 2: to the country because now we haven't got those export

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Speaker 2: how do we fix this?

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Speaker 5: Well, the answer is more gas and more gas exploration. Heather.

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Speaker 5: You know again, you know we need to we need

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Speaker 5: to keep the households household connections into perspective, they are

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Speaker 5: really important, but we need gas for the industrials. Is

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Speaker 5: that cuts to the prosperity of all New Zealanders. So

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Speaker 5: more gas is going to be in everyone's best interest.

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Speaker 5: So you know, it's also worth while keeping a perspective

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Speaker 5: where we're talking about the gas used by households that

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Speaker 5: they use in terms of energy that it's called six

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Speaker 5: petta duals of energy, and really that's just almost the

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Speaker 5: equivalent of what method X has just given up. So

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Speaker 5: even if you gave it back into the system, really

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Speaker 5: it doesn't make any net difference to our energy shortage.

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Speaker 5: We still have a shortage. We still have in the

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Speaker 5: gas shortage. We have an electricity types electricity system. We

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Speaker 5: need more gas.

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Speaker 2: John, when was the last time somebody actually found more gas?

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Speaker 5: Well, the last discovery was in twenty twenty. Actually, yes, indeed,

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Speaker 5: you know there are a number of myths that kind

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Speaker 5: discovery made by OMV. They yet to appraise it, so

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Speaker 5: we're not quite So you discover it and then you

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Speaker 2: So we don't know how much gas is there.

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Speaker 5: No, we don't but you know there was another in

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Speaker 5: field discovery by OMV Maui East. Yeah, so you know

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Speaker 5: there have been discoveries. I think the issue it seems

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Speaker 5: the only exploration that's able to be undertaken is within

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Speaker 5: the existing permits. And there are certainly prospects before the

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Speaker 2: Prospect it tell me, if they've got if they found

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Speaker 2: something at two to why in twenty twenty, why didn't

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Speaker 2: they go and have a look how much there is

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Speaker 2: and start digging for it, drilling for it.

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Speaker 5: Well, they had a work program already that has played

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Speaker 5: out since then. But also the band has created a

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Speaker 5: massive sovereign risk. So you know what it's done you well, no, no,

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that, but it's has certainly made new

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Speaker 5: investment you spending a lot harder to justify.

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Speaker 2: John, Thanks for that. Really appreciate that, John Carnegie, Chief

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Speaker 2: Executive Energy Resources out here or it's the next time

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Speaker 2: you hear the Labor Party, Meghan Woods in particular real

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Speaker 2: prime offender here saying nobody's found any goal any oil

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Speaker 2: want to go and have another look at it anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Listened to the Middle East. Anthony Blinken, US Secretary of

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Speaker 2: State has arrived in Israel just in the last few

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Speaker 2: ceasefire negotiations. This is like an eleventh hour bid by him,

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Speaker 2: and the reason he's so keen on this is because

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Speaker 2: there's a real hope that this will stop this war,

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Speaker 2: if they can just get the both sides to agree

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look good though, because apparently both sides, both

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Speaker 2: Israeli and HUMAS officials, are hinting that a breakthrough may

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Speaker 2: not be as close as all of the international mediators

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Speaker 2: have suggested. Heather, I'm sorry to call you a silly

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Speaker 2: tart again. No you're not. But maybe they don't have

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Speaker 2: the bad guys. John. Maybe because if you have a

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Speaker 2: look at some of those years they correlate with lockdowns.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the problem is that the cops were manning I

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Speaker 2: don't know borders around Auckland or something like that. Quarter pass.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 2: Eighteen past four and Jason Pine sports talkhosters with US Pine. Hello,

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Speaker 2: Heather Piney, you basically predicted the All Blacks Argentina match perfectly.

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Speaker 2: Didn't you say that they're going to wallop them by

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Speaker 2: more than thirty points? Ida? Look, I wouldn't say that

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Speaker 2: it's bad.

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Speaker 6: I deserve the round of applause because it hasn't been common,

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Speaker 6: hasn't more often than not of jinxt them, haven't I.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. This is why we were all impressed.

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Speaker 2: How did you see that coming?

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Speaker 6: I just thought that the bounce back from Wellington was

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Speaker 6: almost inevitable. I just raally sensed within that All Black

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Speaker 6: they were really really annoyed by what happened in Wellington,

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Speaker 6: and before they got on the plane for two really

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Speaker 6: tough test matches in South Africa, they needed something to

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Speaker 6: give them a launching pad towards that, and look, that

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Speaker 6: first half was just a clinic, wasn't it. Thirty five

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Speaker 6: three at half time? Second half wasn't quite as emphatic,

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Speaker 6: but by that stage the job had been done. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I just all Blacks teams, regardless of who's coaching and

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Speaker 6: who's playing, having ability to bounce back from adversity and

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Speaker 6: good to know that the current iteration has that as well.

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Speaker 2: So there were a lot of questions about TJ Patanatta,

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Speaker 2: even Damien to some extent, Damian mackenzie and the forwards.

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Speaker 2: Have they all redeemed themselves?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 6: I think those two you mentioned did. I think Damien

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Speaker 6: McKenzie had his best game of the year at first

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Speaker 6: five TJ from a very challenging night, and Wellington came

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Speaker 6: back and was a stand out at Eden Park. So yes,

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Speaker 6: and the Ford Pack look, in fact, they didn't have

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Speaker 6: any scrums to speak of Reddy and Wellington probably didn't

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Speaker 6: help them. They asserted dominance in the wet think Scott

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Speaker 6: Robertson said afterwards the wet are the better as far

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Speaker 6: as the Fords are concerned. So yeah, I think they

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Speaker 6: answered a lot of questions at Eden Park, but it's

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Speaker 6: the Republic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a tough one.

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Speaker 5: Eight.

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Speaker 2: o'clock tonight. Grecas Duplissy, what a name? May it sounds

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Speaker 2: Hither can you ask Mark Mitchell why there isn't a

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Speaker 2: Stal I've got a lot of questions about this. Where

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Speaker 2: So both Trump and Carmela have hit the same ground

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Speaker 2: Here's some of Karmela's sales pitch.

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Speaker 6: When you believe an ending child poverty, you fight for that.

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Speaker 2: When you believe in what we need to do to

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Speaker 7: Her biggest advantage is that she's a beautiful woman.

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Speaker 8: I'm better looking than she is.

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Speaker 2: US Secretary of State Anthony Blinkoln has made his ninth

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Speaker 2: He's optimistic that this time he's going to be able

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Speaker 8: I don't think what we're hearing from the actual spire

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Speaker 2: And finally, a haunted doll on display at a museum

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Oliver Peterson sixty hour per live presenters with us ole.

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Speaker 9: Get a head as a preemptive strike.

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Speaker 7: I want to congratulate South Africa on their big win

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Speaker 2: Wallabies rolled in. It was up what's going on with

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Speaker 2: their jerseys? That's the thing that caught my attention. The

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Speaker 2: startings look really orange, aren't they.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's really wets. You know, Perth we don't

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Speaker 9: get much rain. We've got a lot of rain on

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Speaker 9: the weekend.

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Speaker 7: It really helped the South Africans, which, by the way,

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Speaker 7: the Stadium Morgan was about sixty forty in favor of

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Speaker 7: the spring Box. Even one of my New Zealand colleagues, Michelle,

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Speaker 7: said she was barracking for the spring Box on Saturday.

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Speaker 9: I told her to think about where she's living.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, come on, I mean, you'd be siding with

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Speaker 7: us with nance, you would learn barracking for the Aussies

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Speaker 7: on Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do love to support the underdog, and I

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Speaker 2: feel like you guys need a break. Having said that,

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Speaker 2: you might get your come up and so on us

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Speaker 2: because when we're going to face the spring box very shortly,

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Speaker 2: I think we're in for a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: hard time. Everyone, Ollie, listen, if this metro service which

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Speaker 2: opened in Sydney, it was opening in Auckland, the entire

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Speaker 2: country would be there to have a look at it.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys going to do the same thing?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, they reckon.

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Speaker 7: There's two hundred thousand people going to bought it today

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Speaker 7: in and of itself.

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Speaker 9: That's how excited people.

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Speaker 7: Are in Sydney. And it is game changing. I mean

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Speaker 7: put it in this context. It is the biggest piece

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Speaker 7: of infrastructure that New South Wales has constructed since the

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Speaker 7: opening of the Sydney Harbor Bridge, and that has been

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Speaker 7: life changing obviously for plenty of Sydney. This is a

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Speaker 7: twenty two billion dollar project and it enables people from

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Speaker 7: North Sydney and Chatswood's on the North Shore to get

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Speaker 7: across the other side of the city under the under

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Speaker 7: the water there where the Sydney Harbor bridge would be

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Speaker 7: on the metro railingk.

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Speaker 9: The trains are pretty snazzy.

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Speaker 7: I've caught these trains before in some of the first

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Speaker 7: iteration of this new train line.

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Speaker 9: But it's going to cut down the services.

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Speaker 7: From the north Shore into the city by somewhere between

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Speaker 7: twenty and twenty five minutes. So this is awesome and

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Speaker 7: I really mean that because this is going to make

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Speaker 7: Sydney an even greater global city than it already is.

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Speaker 7: So look, it's expensive, twenty two billion dollars, but I

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Speaker 7: reckon they're going to get their bang for their buck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these kinds of things you never really

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Speaker 2: regret doing. The may listen to the gambling ads, are

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Speaker 2: they actually going to be limited?

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Speaker 9: Well, that's the multi billion dollar question.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, a lot of the sporting codes in Australia rely

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Speaker 7: on gambling revenue and we have seen a push and

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Speaker 7: it's even coming from the backbenches of the government to

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Speaker 7: basically get rid of gambling ads, particularly around the time

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Speaker 7: of play, so that you know a lot of children

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Speaker 7: who are influenced by this and obviously going to their

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Speaker 7: phones and then putting on.

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Speaker 9: A multi or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 7: Are they going to do it well already, you've seen

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Speaker 7: the AFLD, you've seen Rabia, you've seen Cricket come out

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Speaker 7: and say, if you do that, all the junior program's

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Speaker 7: going to cost three or four times as much and

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Speaker 7: we're going to be in strife. I reckon they're going

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Speaker 7: to come to some sort of agreement herea there, because

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Speaker 7: this poll that's out through the Financial Review today shows

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Speaker 7: that Australians actually don't want gambling ads banned, they just.

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Speaker 9: Want to see less of them.

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Speaker 7: So I think they'll find some sort of middle ground

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Speaker 7: here restrict the amount of gambling ads that we can consume,

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Speaker 7: but I don't think they're going to get rid of

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Speaker 7: them all together right now.

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Speaker 2: And listen to the kids who are spending all the

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Speaker 2: time on the phone. How old are these kids who

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Speaker 2: are spending a couple of hours on TikTok every day?

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Speaker 7: So we're talking about Australian kids between ten and fifteen

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Speaker 7: spending up to two hours per day on TikTok, Now.

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Speaker 9: I mean that's probably right. I don't know about you.

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Speaker 7: I get those iPhone notifications myself every week and they're

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Speaker 7: telling me I'm spending you know, four or five hours

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Speaker 7: a day and I use, excuse, all.

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Speaker 2: This is my job.

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Speaker 9: But if you think about kids and they're spending.

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Speaker 7: Two hours looking at these reels and these video after

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Speaker 7: video after video, Yeah, that's a lot, isn't it to

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Speaker 7: consume it.

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Speaker 9: We don't know what they're watching, do we.

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Speaker 7: So there is obviously a huge push in Australia at

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Speaker 7: the moment to try and push the age of access

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Speaker 7: to social media to sixteen, and obviously this is going

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Speaker 7: to be used as some sort of ammunition to make

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Speaker 7: that argument and license all of these social media platforms.

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Speaker 2: Have you figured out how you're going to manage it

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Speaker 2: for your kids when they come to this age.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, honestly.

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Speaker 7: I mean my eldest is now six, and you know,

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Speaker 7: he just picks up the iPad and plays games like

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Speaker 7: educational games. But it does worry even my two year

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Speaker 7: old this morning he's playing some sort of pepper Pig game.

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Speaker 9: Like the fact that he even knows how to use

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Speaker 9: the iPad and turner on that's a worry, right, yeah no, And.

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Speaker 2: That's smart a like if you think about how how

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Speaker 2: long it took, you just understand a southwronesse guys get

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Speaker 2: it immediately, OLLI thank you? For that, mate, Olli Peterson,

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Speaker 2: six pr Perth Life Presenter. Yeah, this is the thing, right,

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Speaker 2: So I got a girlfriend who I reckon. We mate

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Speaker 2: is year nine nine in November and pretty much hasn't

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Speaker 2: had anything in the way of screen time yet. And

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Speaker 2: that's kind of your parent goal, isn't it. And she

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Speaker 2: and I were talking at the weekend about Nathan Hates

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Speaker 2: book An Chest Generation, which is the one lying next

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Speaker 2: to my bed at the moment actually, which I need

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Speaker 2: to get on too. It's the next book I'm going

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Speaker 2: to read. And because this is the thing, this is

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Speaker 2: the worry of the modern parent is how much of

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Speaker 2: the screen you give the kiddies anyway, So my little dude,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't get that much screen. I don't know what's

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Speaker 2: happening when I'm not at home, to be honest, but

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Speaker 2: when I'm at home, he doesn't get that much screen.

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Speaker 2: Gets a little bit of pepper peg every now and

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Speaker 2: again as a little treat, you know, just so Mummy

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Speaker 2: can do some work and stuff like that. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: one of the things he does get is he's allowed

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Speaker 2: to watch videos of himself on the cell phone, right,

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Speaker 2: because it's sometimes you know, he's two years old. I

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Speaker 2: mean like I gotta know and a foot stamp this morning. No,

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Speaker 2: and so you gotta find ways sometimes to distract them.

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Speaker 2: Sol come, I'll be like you come over here, mummy,

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Speaker 2: you can watch you can watch a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Eggy on the phone. He already knows how to go

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Speaker 2: to the next one. He knows how to unmute it

567
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Speaker 2: so he can hear the sound, he knows how to

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Speaker 2: press play. It is alarming how quickly they learn it

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Speaker 2: and how a depth they are at it. So thoughts

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Speaker 2: and prayers to literally everyone having children at the moment,

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Speaker 2: because unlike much much like Ollie, oh bloody idea, how

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Speaker 2: we're going to handle this? Politics next with Barry Sober Quarter.

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Speaker 2: Barry so Senior political correspondent with US. Barry, have you

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Speaker 2: got any intel on what's going on in that poll tonight?

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Speaker 8: Well, I've been a bit of talking around and it

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Speaker 8: would seem that the general view is the one news

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Speaker 8: variant pole tonight. It's a bit of a fizzit and

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Speaker 8: that would indicate that it hasn't really changed that much,

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Speaker 8: and it really hasn't changed that much this year when

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Speaker 8: you consider it, the last poll had a national on

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Speaker 8: thirty eight up two percent, Labor down one percent to

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Speaker 8: twenty nine. The Greens were very strong at thirteen even

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Speaker 8: though they dropped slightly. ACT was there at seven and

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Speaker 8: New Zealand first at six. The one before that had

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Speaker 8: New Zealand first, not even in parliament. So yeah, the

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Speaker 8: general views it's a phissit. It comes out at six o'clock.

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Speaker 8: So I guess we'll all be glued and pick up

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Speaker 8: exactly where.

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Speaker 2: We'll all be gloo into neuce talk ZB drive. We

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Speaker 2: will immediately have the results. Yes, that's exactly what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Has Jasin arrived at the Democratic National Convention.

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Speaker 8: Well as I understand it, of course, Kamila Harris is there,

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Speaker 8: and ordinarily these conventions in an election year like this

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Speaker 8: would confirm a presidential nominee, while she's already been confirmed.

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Speaker 8: Very unusual circumstances, of course, with Joe Biden stepping down,

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Speaker 8: she's apparently expected to share the stage with Joe Biden

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Speaker 8: within the next five to ten hours in Chicago, justin

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Speaker 8: Dernest quite extraordinary. She's been invited to Chicago by some

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Speaker 8: outfit there that called the Center for American Progress Action Fund,

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Speaker 8: and they say that their mantra essentially is to have

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Speaker 8: a non partisan policy institute and they like progressive, bold

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Speaker 8: ideas as well as strong leadership and concerned action. Well,

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Speaker 8: she'll be on a panel, which is very unusual for

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Speaker 8: somebody from lot in America. She'll be on a panel

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Speaker 8: giving her views on what a kind leader she was

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Speaker 8: in this country. And you know, it's the thing that

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Speaker 8: doesn't surprise me that justin adurn whenever I traveled with

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Speaker 8: her overseas, which she was in big demand, and mainly

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Speaker 8: it was because of the dreadful events that happened in

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Speaker 8: Christchurch with the mosque shooting. So she became very well

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Speaker 8: known instantly, really and her ban on guns that was

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Speaker 8: popular with the anti gun people in the United States.

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Speaker 8: So she's still a fairly prominent person overseas and that's

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Speaker 8: where of course she's living now. So so yeah, they've

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Speaker 8: trotted her out and she'll be on a panel. She'll

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Speaker 8: be rubbing shoulders with Barack Obama. He'll be there along

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Speaker 8: with of course Joe Biden. Soda A. Durne will be

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Speaker 8: really in her element there now.

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Speaker 2: Barry it seems to me act was not invited to

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Speaker 2: today's stuff invited.

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Speaker 8: I can tell you it was invited.

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Speaker 2: O can tell me how you know this.

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Speaker 8: It was invited last May and they were told that

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Speaker 8: there was going to be palphery for political parties. But

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Speaker 8: I think the view of actors that the day for

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Speaker 8: political part is to be present is not not just Rattina,

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Speaker 8: because there's no real expectation for people to be at Rautina.

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Speaker 8: It's a Waitangi day which is always observed by politicians

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Speaker 8: of every political queue. That act decided against going to

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Speaker 8: this particular event because it's not a political event. Very

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Speaker 8: unusual for politicians to turn out in force.

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Speaker 2: That you're talking about from May. I can't read that

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Speaker 2: too far away, Age, because you're a boomer. You look

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Speaker 2: at that. Is that the invitation? Because that invitation only

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Speaker 2: mentions a poor forty on Wednesday, which is the one

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Speaker 2: that they say they were invited to today's Monday. There

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Speaker 2: is no mention of it in the invitation.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well look I was told that they were in.

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Speaker 8: They knew there was an invitation on.

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Speaker 2: The Ta the Maori Kings people tell you that no.

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Speaker 8: No, they didn't know it was a bit closer to

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Speaker 8: home to ACT.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll have to. I'll belied them for I'll

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Speaker 2: bled you for information during the break and then come

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Speaker 2: back when an assessment of whether you're on the money

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 8: But then they're all there, I mean, except for ACT

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Speaker 8: and don't forget to very unusually. King Tota in fact

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Speaker 8: criticize roundly ACT and basically told Maldi to gather forces

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Speaker 8: against the coalition government. That's very unusual. He's the head

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Speaker 8: of the King you Tongue movement, but you know it's

656
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Speaker 8: unusual for the Maldi royalty to try and get the

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Speaker 8: troops against the government and the way he has done.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this crackdown on breath testing, I love it because

659
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Speaker 2: I want to see the roads be a safer place.

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Speaker 2: But I imagine that there will be a little bit

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Speaker 2: of negative reaction from people who get annoyed about this stuff.

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Speaker 8: Well, the only problem I guess is and it's I mean,

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Speaker 8: you know, if you're going to take you know, three

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Speaker 8: point three million million bread tests, it's going to be

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Speaker 8: one hell of a job to get de manned, particularly

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Speaker 8: when there's so many demands on police, particularly violent crimes,

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Speaker 8: and the.

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Speaker 2: Cops get paid for this. So where else do you

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Speaker 2: get paid for a service and then you are only

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Speaker 2: going to do half?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, I guess they're too busy is the answers.

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Speaker 2: And don't take the money, which is what's going on

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Speaker 2: here right.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: No, I wasn't aware until I heard you say earlier

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Speaker 8: that there was money involved. Yeah, And I'm sure that

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Speaker 8: they'll be out there. We'll see the booze buses around

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Speaker 8: the place. The drug testing is the other thing that

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Speaker 8: I think is a big step forward.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Ruthie Berry, thank you very much, Barris for senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondence seven away from five.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: Are they not doing the job now?

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Speaker 12: I think the point i'd make is over the last

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Speaker 12: ten years, only two of those years have we actually

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Speaker 12: seen greater than three millions actually achieved.

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Speaker 11: And here is the simple truth. Most mansels aren't up

688
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Speaker 11: too much. Kissrey shows us this. If you rely on

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Speaker 11: a council, you're going to be disappointed nationally. She leads

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Speaker 11: now fifty one forty eight in the battlegrounds. Though back

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Speaker 11: tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 11: Rain drove of the LA News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather on the ACT invitation. Is there any chance that

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Speaker 2: we could amend the z B news headlines if, in

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Speaker 2: fact ACT wasn't invited to today's events. Okay, listen, I've

696
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Speaker 2: done the interrogation of Barry in the news break and

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Speaker 2: his source is good. His source is close to the

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Speaker 2: ACTION on this. And if his source says that they

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Speaker 2: were invited, this is the ACT party was invited to

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Speaker 2: today's thing and decided now I can't be bothered, won't

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Speaker 2: do it, then I think we'll go with what Barry's saying.

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Speaker 2: So the invitation that would suggest that the invitation that

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Speaker 2: has been released is I think there's some silly buggery

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Speaker 2: going on here from ACT. Actually, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: we'll see if we can get to the bottom. I've

706
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Speaker 2: sent a text. I've sent a little angry text to someone.

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Speaker 2: If they don't realize that that's an angry text because

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Speaker 2: it it was phrased quite nice or be honest, but

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Speaker 2: if they're listening, that's an angry text, you better reply

710
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Speaker 2: and we'll see if we can get to the bottom

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Speaker 2: of that. Actually, because I think I've been given a

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Speaker 2: bum steer here. Anyway, Listen, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: the breath testing as well, very shortly, because Matt Larry

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Speaker 2: I said, I'd give you a rundown on what he thinks.

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Speaker 2: Matt Lowry's for Greater Auckland. He thinks having targets is

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Speaker 2: not a great idea. He says, having targets for levels

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Speaker 2: of enforcement action. This is like three point three million

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Speaker 2: breath tests every year seems useful. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: it is kind of weird to say that the police

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Speaker 2: will have to punish a set number of people. Even

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Speaker 2: weirder is tying financial incentives to that. I think he's

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Speaker 2: got this a bit crook like. I don't think the

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Speaker 2: cops are being asked to punish a set number of people.

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Speaker 2: They're being asked to run the ruler over a set

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Speaker 2: number of people and then punish the number who come

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Speaker 2: up foul of the law. I'm totally on board of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the figures, forty six

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Speaker 2: percent of the fatal crashes, like forty six percent of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's the fatal crashes rather than the fatalities technical point,

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Speaker 2: but forty six percent are caused by alcohol and drugs,

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Speaker 2: only eleven percent by speed only that shows you how

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Speaker 2: bigger problem this is absolute. We're going to run a

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Speaker 2: ruler over it and make mature next on what to

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Speaker 2: do about these feral boy racers.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to Celum Drive with One New Zealand let's

738
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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Police say that there was an organized criminal element

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Speaker 2: at a large boy racer meeting in Wycutthle over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Four police vehicles were rammed during the event, and in

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Speaker 2: one incident, a white reversed its speed towards a police

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Speaker 2: car that officers were standing in front of. Now here's

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Speaker 2: what police Inspector Neil Faulkner said in an interview on

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Speaker 2: TVNZ's Breakfast program this morning.

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Speaker 13: Concerning for police as the organized criminal element that's coming

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Speaker 13: into it and they're looking for sort of any opportunity

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Speaker 13: to cause.

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Speaker 1: Maximum harm where they can, which is actually concenter.

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell is the policeman assume with us.

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Speaker 4: Now, hey Mark here, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. What is this organized criminal element?

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Speaker 10: He's probably talking about the gangs taking advantage of the

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Speaker 10: fact that this meet and it sounds like this meat

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Speaker 10: was spontaneous. The police have actually been outstanding and policing

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Speaker 10: the ones that they get intelligence on and are going

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Speaker 10: to happen. This one was probably more spontaneous. So I'd

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Speaker 10: say that he's probably referring to the fact that you

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Speaker 10: will have game members come out and join it because

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Speaker 10: they see it as an opportunity of having a crack

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Speaker 10: at the police and just enjoying a bit of disorder

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Speaker 10: and violence, which is the sort of thing they like to.

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Speaker 2: Disicipay that, okay, And when we're talking about gangs, are

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Speaker 2: we talking about you know, the old gangs, the Monger

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Speaker 2: Bob and the Black Powet or these new guys coming

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Speaker 2: from Australia.

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Speaker 10: It could be a mix. I mean, they're all into related,

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Speaker 10: they're all working together, so you know, I could be

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Speaker 10: a mix. I can't say which gangs. And he's sort

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Speaker 10: of referred to an organized crime element someone he's sort

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Speaker 10: of assuming that that's what he's referring to. But I'd

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Speaker 10: say that's I'm pretty sure that that is who is

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Speaker 10: refereed into. I mean, the fact of the matter is

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Speaker 10: is that we've got whether it be gigs, whether it

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Speaker 10: be boy racers, whether it be these violent youth offenders.

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Speaker 10: They all think they're above the war. They got no

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Speaker 10: respect for the police, they got no respect for the public.

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Speaker 10: And that's why we've got a massive, you know, public

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Speaker 10: safety program currently under underwein and government.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just explain this to me though. So when we're

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Speaker 2: looking at this, we are seeing some pretty bad behavior,

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Speaker 2: and as members of the public, we're going, Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: the whole lot of them. But are you saying, actually,

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Speaker 2: for the most part, they're just kids wanting to have

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Speaker 2: a bit of a hoon around and there are a

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Speaker 2: few bad eggs in there.

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Speaker 10: Well, they're all bad eggs. I'm sorry that you know,

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Speaker 10: kids are saving a hoon around. I get around the country.

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Speaker 10: They go out into our rural areas, they terrorize the locals,

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Speaker 10: they damage gear, they in just stock, they terrorize the

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Speaker 10: communities that they're in. So they're not going to be

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Speaker 10: treated with kid puffs. And that's why we've we're working

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Speaker 10: on some pretty tough legislation at the moment that will

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Speaker 10: come through cabinet to give the police additional powers to

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Speaker 10: be able to stop these boy racism and war powers. Well,

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Speaker 10: I can't go into detail on that because it hasn't

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Speaker 10: been through cabinet, but they're going to be significant, and

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Speaker 10: I think they'll go a long way to stop to

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Speaker 10: being able to stop the sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Is it impounding the cars because you've talked to us

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Speaker 2: about that before.

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Speaker 10: Yes, it'll be. It is down there, definitely going down

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Speaker 10: that road.

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Speaker 2: Do you have the kind of power where when they

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Speaker 2: get together, given past behavior and live in and the

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Speaker 2: white couple, you can actually go in there. It may

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Speaker 2: be potentially with new laws, go in there and just

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Speaker 2: break the thing up before it becomes out of hand.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's going to be. They'll be proactive powers, but

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Speaker 10: you know they'll also be after the fact as well,

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Speaker 10: so they'll be broad wide ranging, and they'll give the

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Speaker 10: police the additional powers that I think they need to

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Speaker 10: be able to really clamp down this because you know,

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Speaker 10: not only they're putting the public at danger, you can

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Speaker 10: see that there's a lot of respect for our frontline

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Speaker 10: police officers and they are in big danger too when

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Speaker 10: they're trying to deal with these things.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you very much for running us through that.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to seeing you take that through Cabinet. That's

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, the Police minister, Heller duper see Ala Fransport

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Speaker 2: Minister Simeon Brown has announced another crack down. This is

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Speaker 2: a crack on drink and drugs drivers. He's given police

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Speaker 2: a series of targets to hit when it comes to

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Speaker 2: road policing, including a target of three point three million

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Speaker 2: breath tests. Yeah, if the cops don't hit these targets,

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Speaker 2: they're not going to get as much funding here as

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Speaker 2: what he said to Mike Costing this morning.

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Speaker 12: We know that alcohol breath tests have an impact untisfing

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Speaker 12: alcohol or drunk drivers on our roads, and so it's

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Speaker 12: really important that we have clear targets and we see

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Speaker 12: them meeting those targets on a regular basis to keep

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Speaker 12: New Zealanders safe on the road.

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Speaker 2: Now, Matt Lowry's director of the Great Auckland Transport Bloggin

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Speaker 2: is with us. Now, Hey, Matt, hi man, I know

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Speaker 2: you don't like targets for the sake of targets, but

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Speaker 2: he's got a point, isn't it Like if you see

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Speaker 2: a lot of cop cars out there pulling you over,

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Speaker 2: you're less likely to get behind the wheel when you're

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Speaker 2: under the influence, Aren't you.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 13: I think enforcement is absolutely critical for road safety in

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Speaker 13: New Zealand, and I think it's important that the police

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Speaker 13: do have targets or what I guess I'm concerned about

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Speaker 13: is that we're saying that we have to I think

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Speaker 13: breath testing targets is a good thing. But when we

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Speaker 13: police are saying, when we're saying to the police they

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Speaker 13: have to find a certain number of people a year

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Speaker 13: for speeding or or what have you, that creates potential

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Speaker 13: issues and potentially bad headlines for the police in the

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Speaker 13: future and down the road when you know, people think

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Speaker 13: that they're being targeted unfairly. I don't think it's necessarily

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Speaker 13: the case.

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Speaker 2: What's going like, do they have what's going on? A

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Speaker 2: number of speeding tickets?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so that part of the rules is that they

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Speaker 13: have to issue is different number of speeding tickets a

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Speaker 13: year and various other offenses as well. And to be clear,

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Speaker 13: to be honest, I think that is a good thing.

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Speaker 13: We need to target roads safety much more effectively. And

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Speaker 13: what we saw and what we've seen in the past

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Speaker 13: is particularly instead of the mid tens twenty ten to

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Speaker 13: twenty ish, roads safety actually got worse in many cases

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Speaker 13: and a lot of that was because enforcement propped.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you feel about with holding that seventy

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Speaker 2: three million bucks until the target of the brief testing

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Speaker 2: is hit.

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Speaker 13: Well, they're sort of a case of, you know, the

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Speaker 13: floggings will continue until morale improved situation where you've got

871
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 13: if we've got these targets, If they don't meet the targets,

872
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 13: then the funding will be cut, which will make it

873
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 13: harder than to meet the targets in the future. And

874
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 13: so it seems a bit of a weird and center

875
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 13: tem place for police to threaten their funding to be

876
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 13: able to plan long too to meet these targets.

877
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: Can you explain something to me, because the reason they're

878
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: doing this is because the NZTA, which basically pays for

879
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: the breath tests, is so frustrated that the police never

880
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: do enough breath tests. Why don't the crops do enough

881
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: breath tests?

882
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 13: I mean, that's a good question for them, that they

883
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 13: haven't done enough, and they haven't done enough for a

884
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 13: long time. It's only the last year really that they've

885
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 13: actually started doing the numbers that they kind of need

886
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 13: to do and then to achieve to be able to

887
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 13: get that down and what we've actually seen is in

888
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 13: the last year or eighteen months that the number of

889
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 13: deaths one it has finally started coming down again.

890
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: Listen, thank you very much Matt for talking us through.

891
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. It's Matt Lowry. Greater Auckland director Heather Duplicy.

892
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: No deal that sleeper train in a minute. But I've

893
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: got some more good news first for mortgage holders. A

894
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: and Z, the country's biggest bank, has just announced the

895
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 2: biggest cuts to the home loan rates so far this year.

896
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: So the one year one is down forty basis points

897
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: now just under six point five percent, and the eighteen

898
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: month special rate falls fifty basis points fifty basis points

899
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: to five point nine nine. This is the first time

900
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: A and Z has had that eighteen month special rate

901
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: under six percent since October twenty two, so reasonably significant.

902
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: Now I stand to be corrected, but I had a

903
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: quick look at it today and it looks to me

904
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: like A and Z's eighteen month is now the lowest

905
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: in the market. The next best is ASB at six

906
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: point one five. And I am mentioning this because I'm

907
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: waiting for ASB to to counter and beat A and Z,

908
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: or at least match it because that's part of what's

909
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: going on here. It's really competitive out there right now,

910
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: and of course the OCR Cup last week will definitely

911
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: be having an impact as well. Unfortunately, got to mention it.

912
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: Deposit rates have also come down ten to forty basis points.

913
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 2: Coming up quarter two. I've got to get you across

914
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: what's happening with the driver testing thing. It's not resolved

915
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: at the moment, so I get you those detail shortly.

916
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: But anyway, seventeen past five now domestic flight's gone up

917
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: in price quite significantly, so it's prompted the calls again

918
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: about restoring the Wellington to Auckland night train. Now, this

919
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: idea has been around for quite a long time, but

920
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 2: it's been brought up again in a Greater Wellington Regional

921
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: Council meeting last week. The Council's Transport Committee chair Thomas

922
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: Nash loves the idea. Hi, Thomas, Hey, Heather, would you

923
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: really use it?

924
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 4: I would, yeah, I'd certainly use it, maybe going one way,

925
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 4: maybe train out, fly back.

926
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Speaker 2: How often do you have to go to Auckland.

927
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: I don't have to go that often, but probably you know,

928
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: once every couple of months maybe.

929
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have any kids.

930
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 4: I do, you have two kids, and bringing them on

931
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: the train might not be the best option. For the

932
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: other side thinking.

933
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: About that, I was thinking about your poor partner, who

934
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: has to be the one who's like soloing overnight so

935
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: you could go on a train.

936
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's a good point. But the thing is

937
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: a lot of people kids will know kids, they'll do

938
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: business travel. They'll travel up the night before because they

939
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 4: don't want to get the red Eye in the morning,

940
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 4: which is also disruptive. So it's essentially the same as that,

941
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: instead of paying for a hotel the night before your

942
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: fresh few meetings in the morning, you just get the

943
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: night train one way.

944
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 2: But then where do you shower?

945
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean some of the cabins have showers in

946
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: them on some of the Like in Europe, the night

947
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: trains are absolutely cranking at the moment. More and more

948
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: services are opening up. They're really well patronized, and that's

949
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 4: partly because of as you said in the intro, cost

950
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 4: of flights is going up, so other options become more competitive.

951
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

952
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: But okay, so Thomas, we always talk about Europe, but

953
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: then we do a stink New Zealand version. Is our

954
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: version actually going to have shower, isn't.

955
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: It Well, I think it would have to for it

956
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: to work. I mean the way to do it would

957
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: be to go out to the market and say, hey,

958
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 4: we've got this almost completely electrified northoarn And main train

959
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 4: line between Auckland and Wellington. Are there any private operators

960
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: out there that would like to run a service. They

961
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 4: can come in and have a look, do their own

962
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 4: studies and set it up and see if it makes sense.

963
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 4: I sense and so of the other people have looked

964
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 4: into this in New Zealand that there would be enough

965
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: of the market to make this work and then we'd

966
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Speaker 4: get a service that well you could you couldn't, and

967
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: that would be the point, right, Like we invest a

968
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 4: lot of money in the North Island main trunk line,

969
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 4: renewal of tracks and track infrastructure to move freight and

970
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: passengers in the Auckland and Wellington metro areas, but we

971
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: don't use the track between Auckland and Wellington. Say that's

972
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 4: between Palms North and Hamilton, let's say, is very much underutilized.

973
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 4: So it was a major public asset that we don't use.

974
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: So we're just saying I think the people who who

975
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: are pitching for this are saying, let's go out to

976
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: the market and see if anybody wants to use that

977
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: for a night service.

978
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: And so how much would it cost if we weren't

979
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: subsidizing it for a ticket?

980
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: I mean I've seen some back of the envelope calculations

981
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: that say you could do it for one hundred bucks

982
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: each way, Thomas, unsubsidized. Yeah, because basically you would have

983
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: you would have maybe various services. You'd have the first

984
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: class maybe, and then you'd have kind of business economy

985
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 4: type seats which you know, lifelick thing, and and then

986
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 4: you would you would be able to charge different different

987
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 4: prices to different levels of service. And I think on

988
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 4: that basis you could You could certainly make it work

989
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: and people people have you wouldn't. The thing about it

990
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: is all you need to do is get the trains

991
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 4: and the new trains, and then you would you would

992
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: basically if you're a private operator, you would pay off

993
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: the trains over the over the kind of ten fifteen,

994
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: twenty years of the of the contract that you've got

995
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 4: to run it, and that would that would be doable.

996
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: Thomas, it's good to talk to you. Thank you very much.

997
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: Running us through that's Thomas Nash, Great Wellington Regional Council.

998
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: Listen back to the coronation celebrations at tutong A YY.

999
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: Chris Luxon the Prome Minise has given his speech. He's

1000
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: really rammed home the fact that he is going to

1001
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: kill Act Treaty Principals Bill again.

1002
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 7: But I want to be clear today that the National

1003
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 7: Party will not support the Treaty Principal's Bill beyond first reading.

1004
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: Now, I think he's really forcing himself a corner every

1005
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: single time. I mean, it might seem like the right

1006
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: thing to do when he's there's he's he's you know, crowd.

1007
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: He needs to convince that he's going to kill the thing,

1008
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: and so he keeps on repeating it every time he

1009
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: goes anywhere near one of these kind of like massive

1010
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 2: Maldi events. But he's painting himself into a corner, which

1011
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: might be a little bit awkward if in fact he

1012
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: finds out later on down the track that there is

1013
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: a track that there is a lot of support for

1014
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: as Treaty Principles bell. What is he going to do then,

1015
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: be the guy who kills something unpopular, kills something that's popular,

1016
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: and makes himself unpopular awkward five twenty two.

1017
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

1018
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected and

1019
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: news dogs.

1020
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: That'd be heah, that would have to let any private

1021
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: train provider know the tracks in Auckland don't work over

1022
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: twenty five degrees celsius. And note that down's one of

1023
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: many things we need to let them know. It's coming up.

1024
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: Twenty five past five, Listen does just Sinda Ardurns, speaking

1025
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: at Kamala Harris's Democratic National Convention this week not feel

1026
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: like a marriage made in heaven. When I read the

1027
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: news this morning, it was without the slightest bit of surprise.

1028
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: It was like it was meant to be. Because we

1029
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: already mentioned on the show that the Karmla craze in

1030
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 2: the US right now is so weirdly reminiscent of Jasindamania.

1031
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: And that's large largely because both of these women appear

1032
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: to be popular really more because of the fields than

1033
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: the actual policy. And actually when you look at it,

1034
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 2: the comparisons are weirdly bang on. So here in New

1035
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: Zealand in twenty seventeen, an unpopular guy Andrew Little can't

1036
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: win the election, quits at the last minute, is replaced

1037
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: by a younger woman who's Jasinda Ardun twenty twenty four.

1038
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: In the US, an unpopular guy Joe Biden can't win

1039
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: the election, quits at the last minute, is replaced by

1040
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: a younger woman, Karmala Harris. Jasindaardurn rockets to popularity because

1041
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: she's a breath of fresh air and politics it's otherwise

1042
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: been dominated by two white men, Andrew Little and Bill English,

1043
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: and is celebrated not for what she does but who

1044
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: she is, which is a younger, married woman. Karmala Harris

1045
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: rockets to popularity because she is a breath of fresh

1046
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: air and politics has otherwise been dominated by two white

1047
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: men Biden and Trump, and is celebrated not for what

1048
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: she does but who she is, a younger brown woman.

1049
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: Jacinda's popularity was always more at her being kind than

1050
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: all the terrible policies she unleashed on US. Carmala's popularity

1051
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: is based on her vibes and her kindness and stuff

1052
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: more than her policies, given she's actually only released one policy,

1053
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: one major one. She's on the economy. So what's interesting

1054
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: then is if their paths basically mirror all the way through.

1055
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: Do their paths keep mirroring, mirroring what happens next? Because

1056
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: Carmla's so far only managed to energize the base. And

1057
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: that is exactly what Jasinda Ardern did in twenty seventeen.

1058
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: She only managed to energize the base. She didn't win

1059
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: people over, really shouldn't win that election. She only took

1060
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: labor to thirty eight percent, national won the election on

1061
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: forty four percent. But we have a quirk in our

1062
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 2: political system called MMP. The US don't have that quirk.

1063
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: So is Carmela's just cinder story enough to get her

1064
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: to actually win the election. We'll have to see.

1065
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Heather du for clan.

1066
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: Here the BS one hundred dollars each way on the train?

1067
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: Does he think we're going to be sitting on the

1068
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: bloody roof? That's from MJW. Do you know what bang on?

1069
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: I call BS on the one hundred dollar ticket price

1070
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: as well, because look at to Huia, right, This is

1071
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: we're talking about a train, This is to Huia that

1072
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: just runs from Auckland to Hamilton, never mind from Hamilton

1073
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: all the way down to Wellington. Right, So just the

1074
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: Auckland to Hamilton.

1075
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 14: Thing.

1076
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: The ticket price onto Huia is twenty one bucks thereabouts.

1077
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: The subsidy is eighty four dollars. What does that add

1078
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: up to one hundred and five dollars? Now you're telling me,

1079
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: Thomas Nash, that you're going to be able to get

1080
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: a train to go all the way the rest of

1081
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: the way for less of the cost. Absolutely nonsense. Plus thing,

1082
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: it's not even just going to be seated, is it.

1083
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: Is it going to be like live flat? I mean

1084
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Speaker 2: you're going to be charging the live flat people a

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00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: lot of money, aren't you just kind of cross subsidized

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00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: so the poorer ones can just be paying a hundi bucks. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: On another thing, I thought that when they canceled the

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00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: free unlimited drivers tests, we would have this wonderful freeing

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Speaker 2: up of the system and everybody would be able to

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Speaker 2: get in.

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Speaker 5: Not so.

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Speaker 2: Apparently one guy had to send a student from Pukakoe

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Speaker 2: to dan of Urk to get a test. We're going

1094
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Speaker 2: to talk to him next. News Storks there being.

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers, talked to Heather first. Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and

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Speaker 1: news Talk zid.

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Speaker 2: Be Heather J Cinda wasn't married in twenty seventeen, GE's

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Speaker 2: check your facts, pick up your game. Did did I

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Speaker 2: not say unmarried? Did I not say unmarried? Because that

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Speaker 2: was the point I was trying to make. We remember,

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Speaker 2: we were fascinated by that. We were like, she's not

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Speaker 2: that right, It's kind of like that. So anyway, if

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Speaker 2: I said married instead of unmarried as a complete slip

1105
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Speaker 2: of the tongue, and I apologize, and wow, there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of texts on that. There was a lot

1107
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 2: of angry texts on that as well. Listen, Nichola Willis's

1108
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: with us after six o'clock. I want to talk to her.

1109
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: What's going on with tourism. I don't know if you've

1110
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: caught up on the figures, but we are the tourism

1111
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: industry is not bouncing back like it should, and now

1112
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Speaker 2: we're apparently making it a whole lot worse by charging

1113
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 2: them a whole lot more. Rang you through as before

1114
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: we talk to and she's with us after sex and

1115
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: the huddle standing by and right now it's twenty three

1116
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: away from sex. Now, on another matter, doesn't look like

1117
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: the wait times for a driver's license are getting any better,

1118
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: So wait times in Auckland are staying stubbornly high. Despite

1119
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Speaker 2: the government scrapping the unlimited free test resets in July,

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Speaker 2: it's still ninety four days to wait for a restricted

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Speaker 2: test now. Alista McGregor is driving instructor based in Pooka Kobe. Hey, Alistair, Yeah,

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00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: how how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Did I hear that you had to send

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Speaker 2: somebody to Danavirk from Pooka Koe the other day for

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Speaker 2: a test?

1127
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Speaker 3: Bad?

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 15: About a fortnight ago a student was desperate for his

1130
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 15: full licensed tests, couldn't find anywhere in the Auckland region,

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00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 15: and the founder test in danny Vok, of all places,

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Speaker 15: so a good six and a bit hours drive down

1133
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Speaker 15: there for essentially the full test is thirty minutes thirty

1134
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Speaker 15: minutes four at four thirty, got past the test and

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Speaker 15: then six and a half hours back. So that's what

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Speaker 15: people are doing now for in some cases to get

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Speaker 15: a test.

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Speaker 2: Is this an odd is this is a rare thing

1139
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: or is this happening more frequently?

1140
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Speaker 15: Well, annecdotally, I've got that's been going out to Thames,

1141
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 15: which is not uncommon. Down to Hamilton. Again not uncommon.

1142
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 15: It's uncommon to go as far as Danny Viurk. I've

1143
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 15: had a student go down to Tamborla Nui and two

1144
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 15: or three days ago I had a student's mum tried

1145
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 15: to make a book in for a test which I

1146
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 15: couldn't for a drive which I couldn't do. But that

1147
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 15: student had a test book in New Plymouth planted to

1148
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Speaker 15: go to New Plymouth for their test.

1149
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Speaker 2: Jeez.

1150
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 15: The thing is people are desperate to get tests.

1151
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, how has this happened? Because I would have thought

1152
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: that once we scrapped the unlimited free tests, that will

1153
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: clear up what's going on.

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00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 15: Well, at the moment is it's taken a while to

1155
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 15: work through the tests regime. The pricing changed about months ago,

1156
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 15: and it's still going to take a while the existing

1157
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 15: testiny to be worked through.

1158
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 4: So it's going to.

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Speaker 15: Take a month or two, maybe a little longer before

1160
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 15: it starts to ease. Now with the approaching Christmas, people

1161
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 15: get desperate for tests. Of bookings as soon as they

1162
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 15: are available are snapped up.

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Speaker 2: So this is also going to get worse as the

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Speaker 2: year goes on. I understand, because apparently people start getting

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00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 2: real eager before Christmas.

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00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 15: Well, that's true, and then you've got holidays and all

1167
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 15: sorts of factors coming in. Students have got time off,

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00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 15: you know, exam leave and study time which they use

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00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 15: hopefully to get a license or a test before Christmas.

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00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 15: They want that test, you can they spend the holidays,

1171
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 15: have a car and do some driving, et cetera. So

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Speaker 15: it does become normally at this end of the year,

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00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 15: it tends to get more desperate to get tests and

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Speaker 15: it's compounded by the current wait times.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, Alisir, it's good to talk to you mate,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. Alistair McGregor, County's Driving School.

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Speaker 2: By the way, quick update on the act situation. Barry

1178
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: Soapersaurce has come through says I screwed up. Sorry, the

1179
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: letter that they got in may only invited them to

1180
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: the King's coronation. So we'll just go back to the

1181
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: original position on the show. I was right all along,

1182
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: they weren't invited. By the sounds of things. Twenty one

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Speaker 2: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Exceptional marketing

1185
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: for every property on the.

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Speaker 2: Huddle with me this see we got Joseph Beganny Child

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Speaker 2: Fund CEO and Trisshurson Shurson Willis pr Hello you too. Hello?

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Speaker 2: Do we want to sleep?

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Speaker 16: Train?

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Speaker 3: Josie?

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00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: I love them?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, and actually, I mean the flights have become so expensive.

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Speaker 17: If it was reasonable, I would definitely do that. Stays

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Speaker 17: on a hotel. You know, it's very romantic going on

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Speaker 17: the train, but I don't want it to be subsidized.

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Speaker 17: And I think you made that point about the train

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Speaker 17: lines where.

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Speaker 2: You who are ye to?

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Speaker 3: Who are you?

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Speaker 4: Where?

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Speaker 2: It's basically subsidized eighty How much would you pay? Well?

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Speaker 17: I would at the moment if you want to fly,

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Speaker 17: you think, oh, I've got a meeting next week, I've

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Speaker 17: got a fly out in near New Zealand. I mean

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Speaker 17: you're paying the best part of two hun hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 2: Bucks one way.

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Speaker 17: Anything less than that, yeah, would be with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you say a hotel costs yet, but yeah,

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00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: you want a good night to sleep?

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Speaker 16: What about you, Trish Well, I think you would be

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Speaker 16: lucky to get one way for two point fifty on

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Speaker 16: in New Zealand at the moment. Often when you look,

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Speaker 16: you know, prices under three fifty you need to find

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Speaker 16: anything under three fifty Would you go to Wellington last week?

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00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 16: Booked a week out? This is for business travel, but

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00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 16: still it's a week out. It cost over eight hundred

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00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 16: dollars year and back, and that's what the prices are like,

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00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 16: which is a lot you consider jet Star. I did

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00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 16: consider jet Star, but probably like a lot of people,

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Speaker 16: when you've got airpoints with a New Zealand you're like, well, hey,

1221
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 16: you know, but a jet Star. My daughter is in

1222
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 16: Wellington at the moment you need. We've been flying her

1223
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 16: up on jet Star and the savings are really significant until.

1224
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Speaker 17: Until it doesn't Until Jetstar doesn't turn up on time

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Speaker 17: and you have to book an urgent flight to get

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Speaker 17: somewhere because you go into a meeting.

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Speaker 16: Well, I've just shot I'm not sure. I'm not sure

1228
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 16: about that either, because that has been one of the

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Speaker 16: biggest gripes that I've had recently with in New Zealand

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Speaker 16: is on time performance. And for instance, last time I

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Speaker 16: flew to Wellington, the plane was forty five minutes taking

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Speaker 16: late taking off getting down there, and a couple of

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Speaker 16: times in the last year I've been on a flight

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Speaker 16: to christ Church and business travelers up the front in

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Speaker 16: a in a you know, in a kind way, have

1236
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 16: called the hostess over and said, I'm really sorry, but

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00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 16: I need to let you know I've now actually missed

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Speaker 16: all of the business meetings. I was flying to christ Church.

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00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 17: Oh no, oh, stop winding trash.

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Speaker 16: No, but this is this is this is, this is

1241
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 16: why on time performances.

1242
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Speaker 2: Really, this is part of the reason people will be

1243
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 2: flying down the night before and booking a hotel room.

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00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: Right.

1245
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 16: But back to the sleeper train that these are really

1246
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 16: you go to Europe, a sleeper train really really popular.

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Speaker 16: I think in New Zealand it's probably a great idea

1248
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 16: if you've got the price right, I think.

1249
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Speaker 2: And love the right kind of bed because New Zealand

1250
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: they'll they'll try to do distinct version eight totally like

1251
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Speaker 2: a stretcher or something.

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Speaker 16: I spent a lot of my youth going up and

1253
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 16: down from Tomina Nui to Auckland on the Silver Fern.

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00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, and used to absolutely love it. It's a

1255
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Speaker 16: great trip.

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Speaker 2: There's a good time. Actually, listen you into the drink

1257
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 2: driving crackdown, Josie.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, I think the evidence shows that if

1259
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 17: you if you crack down on drink and drugs, you

1260
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 17: are going to reduce crashes and fatalities and so on.

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Speaker 17: You could say the same about speed, and I know

1262
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 17: there's always like evidence one way and the other. The

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00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 17: problem with the speed issue is that, yep, you can

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Speaker 17: reduce deaths almost entirely if you reduce the speed limit

1265
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 17: to forty k there's a bit, there's a cost, and

1266
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 17: you've got to be honest about the costs and the benefits,

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00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 17: and the costs can be things like, you know, if

1268
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 17: you reduce speed, it might be that there's more trucks

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00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 17: on the road because you can only you know, you've

1270
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 17: got to have more in a day to get the

1271
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 17: same amount of goods to shops and so on like that.

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00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 17: So I think this makes sense. And one thing I

1273
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 17: was thinking about with this is that when we had

1274
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 17: the cannabis vote, a lot of people didn't vote to

1275
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 17: legalize cannabis because they felt like there wasn't a good

1276
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 17: enough debate about what you do about drugs and driving.

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00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 17: There's a lot about alcohol and driving, but actually in

1278
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 17: New Zealand, a lot of it is drugs and driving

1279
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 17: cause the accidents. And there was this thing about oh, well,

1280
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 17: alcohol does it too, and it's like, yeah, but what

1281
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 17: are we going to do if we legalize marijuana. Everyone's driving,

1282
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 17: you know, doped up to their eyeballs and crashing. So

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Speaker 17: I do think it was I don't like the targeting.

1284
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 17: Why targeting, the idea that you've got to you've got

1285
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 17: a target to get enough you know, breathalyzers and what

1286
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 17: not and so on, because I think, like I live

1287
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 17: in Kapady Transmission Gully. You come down the hill and

1288
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 17: Transmission Gully, it's really easy to to you know, speed

1289
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 17: a little bit or something like that.

1290
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: So there you're talking about the speeding tickets, the spending tickets.

1291
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 17: Yeah, but if they do it with this too, where

1292
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 17: you've got to the speeding.

1293
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: Tickets is different. The speeding tickets is you must issue

1294
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: this many tickets, whereas the breath testing is you must

1295
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: just do this many breath tests. Not necessarily you must

1296
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: ping as many people.

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Speaker 16: Trish, I really love this one. I'm all about the targets.

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Speaker 16: I think that's great. Two, if you step inack and

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Speaker 16: think about what this is about overall with the police,

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Speaker 16: it's about visibility. So this government has been all about visibility.

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Speaker 16: Say go into Central Auckland, which I did recently on

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Speaker 16: a Saturday there were police on the beat everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's a completely different experience, which.

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Speaker 16: Was I immediately thought, wow, there's a lot of police

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Speaker 16: here and felt that was a good thing. I was

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Speaker 16: driving around on Saturday night coming back from dinner and

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Speaker 16: came under a flyover. There were the police setting up.

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Speaker 16: I think what was going to be a booze bus

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Speaker 16: and I thought, actually, that's that is excellent. And I

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Speaker 16: completely agree with Josie about the need for the drug testing,

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Speaker 16: but I think that is a big part of this.

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Speaker 16: Now there is the technology, is a way to do it.

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Speaker 16: I think it's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Agree, Okay, guys will take a break. Come back

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Speaker 2: shortly quarters to six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with a huddle. We've got Trishuson and

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Speaker 2: Joseph Agani. Trish, what do you make of act not

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Speaker 2: being at the coronation when all the other political parties

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Speaker 2: are there.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think it's a real shame either way, whether

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Speaker 16: they if they weren't invited, or if they were invited

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Speaker 16: and turned it down. I think now more than ever,

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Speaker 16: we need everybody talking to each other and we need

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Speaker 16: to be able to do it in a really adult

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Speaker 16: way and just to show respect for each other by

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Speaker 16: you know, being at these at these major events and

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Speaker 16: hearing what everyone's going to say. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 16: it's a real shame. You know, often with these things

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Speaker 16: it is cock up over conspiracy. But either way, I

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Speaker 16: think it's it's a real shame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Josie, don't you.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, and it's a little bit he said, She said,

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Speaker 17: I mean that absolutely looks like ACT weren't invited. But

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Speaker 17: the noise, it'll just be noise to most in the public.

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Speaker 17: But I think because the bigger issue really is, as

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Speaker 17: you say, Trisha, that they're just not really talking to

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Speaker 17: each other. And that's Party Marty too, who are winding

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Speaker 17: up the genocidal government and so on. So the best

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Speaker 17: thing you can do if you're being accused of being

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Speaker 17: a genocidal, racist government is just front up and be reasonable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So totally.

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Speaker 17: If I was ACT, I would have I mean, okay,

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Speaker 17: maybe they just found out, but I might have been.

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Speaker 2: Weakened found which I would have asked and called them

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Speaker 2: up and canceled everything and gong because I think that

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Speaker 2: show is the most important thing I've turning.

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Speaker 16: But in David Siemour's defense, I've never known him not

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Speaker 16: to be prepared to turn up, and I think, you know, Whitehungy,

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Speaker 16: even earlier this year, he has always prepared to turn

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Speaker 16: up in status case.

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Speaker 17: I think there's a bigger issue here about what the

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Speaker 17: hell is going on with this Treaty Principals bill that

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Speaker 17: will never go anywhere because no one's going to vote

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Speaker 17: for it, And I think for ACT they've got to

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Speaker 17: realize and to Party Marty too. But ACT and to

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Speaker 17: Party Marty have more in common than they think they do.

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Speaker 17: And it is that devolution thing. We're one of the

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Speaker 17: most centralized governments in the OECD in terms of tax,

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Speaker 17: provision of services and so on. If they devolved, if

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Speaker 17: they advocated for more services out to mary whether it's health,

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Speaker 17: whether it's even you know, even I don't know, the

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Speaker 17: ability to kind of regulate on mary Land what you

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Speaker 17: build and so on. I mean, just champion a very

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Speaker 17: ACT principle of self determination, individuals deciding what they want.

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Speaker 2: You just basically spelled out how to kill both parties

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Speaker 2: at the same time.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, think about charter schools exactly. That fits

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Speaker 16: perfectly into that. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's as

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Speaker 16: I hate to harp on about these things, but this

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Speaker 16: bill was always going to end up where it has

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Speaker 16: in my view, because you know, act thought we could

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Speaker 16: have a high minded, intellectual debate debate around these things,

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Speaker 16: but you know, in New Zealand, unfortunately it ends up

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Speaker 16: where we are.

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Speaker 2: How sure are you, Trish though, that Chris Luxen is

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Speaker 2: going to kill it. If it came to the point

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Speaker 2: where this thing was before the public and the public

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Speaker 2: liked it a proportion of the public a strong enough proportion,

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Speaker 2: will he really kill it.

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Speaker 16: I do not think national are going to go forward

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Speaker 16: with this bill.

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Speaker 2: I don't even it's popular, but I don't think it is.

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Speaker 17: That's the other thing that the polesh I mean, what

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Speaker 17: most what you said, it's a bit like the trans

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Speaker 17: issue too, that most New Zealanders just don't want to

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Speaker 17: have a big fight culture about this. Well, everyone knows

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Speaker 17: somebody who's got you know, a kid who's going through

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Speaker 17: the best some issue around gender or whatever, and you

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Speaker 17: just think, look, I know what I think, but I

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Speaker 17: don't want to have a big fight about it. And

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Speaker 17: it's the same with the race issue. They're going this

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Speaker 17: is not us and they don't like it when to

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Speaker 17: Party Marty do it, and they don't like it when

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Speaker 17: Act does it. So that step down, you know, calms

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Speaker 17: the farm. Then National do.

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Speaker 16: Not want where this could go on their watch. I

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Speaker 16: think that's the bigger thing. I think they've got an

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Speaker 16: eye an eye on that. They had to swallow the

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Speaker 16: dead rat to get the coalition deal across the line.

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Speaker 16: But they've been very clear from the start and I

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Speaker 16: haven't heard any of them dev eight from that.

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Speaker 17: And John Luxon's got John Keyan is sorry, Chris audiance

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Speaker 17: for audience for each other.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Trish, any surprise at all for you to see

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Speaker 2: that the World's Best Cities for Nightlife list has been

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Speaker 2: released in New Zealand does not feature.

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Speaker 16: It's no, it's not a surprise to me because we're boring. Well,

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Speaker 16: you know me, I have I just love Auckland. I've

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Speaker 16: always adored Auckland. It's my home city and I've always

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Speaker 16: thought it was fantastic. But but, but, but the grand

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Speaker 16: Lady has lost a lot of sparkle since the pandemic

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Speaker 16: and I'm not sure that she's quite got it back yet.

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Speaker 16: There are still in Auckland some fantastic places to go.

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01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 16: Kay Road is absolutely pumping at It's really awesome. But

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Speaker 16: when you put it up against some of the cities

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Speaker 16: on the list, we're not quite there yet.

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Speaker 17: Look, there's a been a nightlife in Ratatonga than there

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Speaker 17: is in any New Zealand city as today. Yeah, I

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01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 17: mean there's more going on there right. It's just so

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Speaker 17: depressing and you feel like going, oh, why is that?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 17: You know, oh New York doesn't have the Featherstone book.

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Speaker 2: But we have we ever haven't we always been the

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Speaker 2: place that you come home to have your children here?

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 17: It's such a pressing though. We be a bit better

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Speaker 17: than that. I don't want to be.

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Speaker 16: The place you come right there, So I'm want to

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Speaker 16: put it in a big plate here though I'd have

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Speaker 16: to say, yeah, as you cannot beat a night out

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Speaker 16: in Coordoradika Russell, a night out at the Joke of Molbra.

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Speaker 16: I mean that's we make, my view with the best

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Speaker 16: in the world we make it.

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Speaker 17: Just say that we do make our fun wherever we

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 17: can know nothing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys really appreciated Joseph Gani Child fun Ceo

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Speaker 2: and Trishurs and Hurson Willis preshard all this evening seven

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Speaker 2: away from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy Alan Drive

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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand one Giant Leap for business News

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Speaker 1: Talk as it be hither.

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Speaker 2: The reason our night life sucks is because we're not

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Speaker 2: allowed to drink and have fun and it costs us

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01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: a bloody fortune. Well, for people who aren't allowed to drink,

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Speaker 2: we do a pretty good fist of that, don't we.

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: We drink quite a lot for people who aren't supposed to.

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: I actually wonder if it's the other way around. And

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Speaker 2: this is this is becoming my new theory, which is

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: that we drink to excess as a culture. And come on,

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: we do like we know that, right, We drink way

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01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: too much. So we drink to excess because we're bored

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01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 2: because our now life sucks. Other people go out and

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01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 2: they have fiestas and they have all kinds of fun thing,

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01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: go to the theater, do all this kind of cool staff,

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: wander around late night shopping blah blah blah. We're just

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01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: boozing because there's nothing else to do. Maybe that explains it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the solution, is don't shut everything down at

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock. Auckland City Council. Just give us some more

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Speaker 2: things to do. Anyway, I say us collectively, I have

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Speaker 2: no plans to do anything. I'm a mother. I don't

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Speaker 2: care anyway. This is what I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: Nicola about. Okay, there seems to be mounting opposition to

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Speaker 2: the government's plans to charge tourists more to come here,

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Speaker 2: and it's going up quite a bit. So the visitor

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Speaker 2: visa we charge them for coming here as a visitor,

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Speaker 2: that used to be two hundred and ten dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: now going to be three hundred and forty dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: a sixty one percent increase. Then you've got the international

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Speaker 2: visitor levy going up. There's a completely different tax that's

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Speaker 2: thirty five dollars. It's going to go up shortly, and

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Speaker 2: it's the word around the street is maybe up to

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Speaker 2: one hundred bucks. So that total cost of that has

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Speaker 2: gone per person two hundred and forty five dollars is

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Speaker 2: before we've even arrived here. Ah, we're just like just

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Speaker 2: permission to come here two hundred and forty five dollars

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Speaker 2: is now going to be four hundred and forty dollars.

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Speaker 2: Now you times that by a family of five, and

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's two thousand to two hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars before anyone's even set foot on the fener we're here. Now,

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Speaker 2: that's not even considering the working holiday scheme, which is

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Speaker 2: a completely different thing. That visa is going from four

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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty dollars to six hundred and seventy dollars. Now,

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of concern that it is going to

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Speaker 2: stop people coming here. I mean, you would have heard

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Speaker 2: Grant Webster from Tourism Holdings talking to my costing about

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01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: it last week. He was worried about it. Mb A

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago said the levy just by itself

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Speaker 2: is going to stop one hundred thousand visitors from coming here.

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01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: It's going to cost us six hundred million dollars and

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Speaker 2: lost money, money we cannot afford to lose because tourism

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Speaker 2: has not yet bounced back from before COVID, right. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we got figures last week it showed still seventeen percent

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01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 2: down on pre COVID levels, which means that back in

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Speaker 2: the day we would have made seventeen billion. We only

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01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: made twelve billion. Now, obviously the reason the government's doing

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Speaker 2: it tell your kinds out of other stuff. But why

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Speaker 2: they're doing it is because they need the money. Right,

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01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 2: we're short on cash in this country big time. We

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01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 2: need money. So the person who wants the money is Nicholer.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a chat to her next Oh and the

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Speaker 2: Pole going to get you across the Pole. News talksb.

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Speaker 1: What's what's down? What were the major calls and how

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Speaker 1: will it affect the economy of the bigger business Questions

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Allen and my

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Speaker 1: Hr on Newstalks FB.

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Speaker 3: Evening.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in the next hour, We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: to Shane Soley. He's got some evidence the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: made the right call last week. Freight Ways has reported

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Speaker 2: today it reckons we're through the worst of it in

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Speaker 2: terms of the recession. They with us shortly and then

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Speaker 2: Gavin Gray out of the UK at seven past six.

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Speaker 2: So here we go. Here's the tvn Z poll for you.

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Speaker 2: National is on thirty eight percent, no change, Labour's on

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Speaker 2: thirty percent, up one. The Greens are in eleven percent.

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Speaker 2: That down too. Maybe you could put that down to

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Speaker 2: the Darlene Tana stuff that's been going on. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: first is on six no change, actors on seven no

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Speaker 2: change to Patsibari Marti parties on four up one. Our

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Speaker 2: right blockers in fifty one percent, the left block is

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Speaker 2: on forty five percent. And in terms of the preferred

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Speaker 2: prime minister, the real number there that is the most

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Speaker 2: interesting is Chris luxon thirty eight percent up five. Now

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Speaker 2: Nikola Willis as the Finance minister, Henikler.

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Speaker 1: Hi you gy hey.

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Speaker 2: So that's pretty good for the prime minister in that pole.

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Speaker 18: Am Yeah, good to see get our support. And really, look,

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Speaker 18: we don't watch the poles too closely. They go up

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Speaker 18: and down, but I think New Zealanders can see that

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Speaker 18: we're doing the things that we said with those and

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Speaker 18: the best news that's come as that interest rate reduction,

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Speaker 18: which is going to make a big difference to many

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Speaker 18: families and businesses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about the ocr cut last week.

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Speaker 18: That's right, and that I understand came after the poll

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Speaker 18: had been completed, So I imagine that that will make

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Speaker 18: a big difference across the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are you joining the rest of us who are

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Speaker 2: levelheaded and calling this thing a flip flop by Adrian or.

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Speaker 18: Well, it's not for me to say that's the thing,

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Speaker 18: because there is a bank independently make their decisions about

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Speaker 18: interest rates, and I independently make our decisions about fiscal policy,

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Speaker 18: and we leave it like that. We're very polite about

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Speaker 18: each other.

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Speaker 2: Are there any days where you go I regret leaving

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Speaker 2: him in the job.

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Speaker 18: Well, it hasn't been a decision for me either. That

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Speaker 18: was an appointment made by the outgoing government and it's

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Speaker 18: not a decision over which I have been thought.

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Speaker 2: Have you gone to look at the grounds under which

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Speaker 2: you may be able to recall them from the job

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Speaker 2: at all?

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Speaker 18: Well, once that appointment is made, that's a decision that

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Speaker 18: can only be made by the Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 2: Board, so you have god to look at it. Frankly,

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Speaker 2: I would if I was in your position.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 18: I think the backstory here for everyone who's listening is

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Speaker 18: that when Aunt Robertson said he was going to make

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Speaker 18: that reappointment, we wrote to him and said, hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 18: don't do that when you have actually reviewed some of

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Speaker 18: these extraordinary monetary policy decisions that were made, which we

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Speaker 18: frankly think the Reserve Bank got wrong. We propose your

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Speaker 18: appointing for a short term period a year, do an

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Speaker 18: external review, and then we can then the income and

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Speaker 18: government can decide whether or not to reappoint him. We

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Speaker 18: thought that was a good way of getting through. Grant

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Speaker 18: Robertson rejected that approcess.

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Speaker 2: Are we Why.

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Speaker 18: No, he didn't He wrote that and just simply rejected that.

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Speaker 18: And I thought it was a shame because there's always

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Speaker 18: been a degree of unity over Reserve Bank appointments, because

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Speaker 18: we like to keep that institution and dependent in non

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Speaker 18: political Nichola.

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Speaker 2: Listen, this is something you actually do have complete control

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Speaker 2: over as a government. What is going on with you

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Speaker 2: guys raising the amount of money that you're going to

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Speaker 2: be charging tourists when they land here.

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Speaker 18: Well, as you know, tourists get a great experience in

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Speaker 18: New Zealand, and that doesn't come cost free to New Zealanders.

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Speaker 18: Looking after our national parks, our conservation estate, ensuring that

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Speaker 18: we have good facilities from public bathrooms, through the roads,

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Speaker 18: through the bridges, we think it's appropriate for tourists to

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Speaker 18: make a contribution to all of that. That's not unusual

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Speaker 18: around the world that you pay a HEV as a

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Speaker 18: tourist going to another country, And so we've been consulting

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Speaker 18: on where people think that LEADE should sit, and we

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Speaker 18: think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. I want

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Speaker 18: to see the tourism industry grow. I want to see

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Speaker 18: more tourists been there more money in New Zealand. But

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Speaker 18: I also want to see them contributing their fair share

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Speaker 18: when they come here.

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Speaker 2: But is it worth doing it at the cost to

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Speaker 2: our tourism industry because it's going to deter a bunch

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Speaker 2: of people about one hundred thousand to them Apparently, Well, no, I.

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Speaker 18: Don't think that those numbers are right. The advice that

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Speaker 18: we've received is that it could have a small impact

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Speaker 18: at the margin, but it's actually quite hard to model.

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Speaker 18: And of course the content xt here is by the

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Speaker 18: time you decide to come to New Zealand, you're already

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Speaker 18: deciding to pay a pretty big yar fare and you're

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Speaker 18: coming to the other side of the world. So this

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Speaker 18: is a marginal cost in that context.

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Speaker 2: So the MB itself says about one hundred thousand people

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Speaker 2: we deterred just this is just by the international visitor

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Speaker 2: levy going up, never mind the visit of visa costs, right,

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people not going to come here. That

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Speaker 2: costs US six hundred million dollars in lost money. You

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Speaker 2: don't think that's right.

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Speaker 18: Well, I think it's I think it depends on a

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Speaker 18: number of factors, and I think that many people still

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Speaker 18: come to choose to New Zealand and in particular. I

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Speaker 18: think there's actually a proposition for us to say to tourist, hey,

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Speaker 18: look when you yeah, yeah, you do pay levy, but

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Speaker 18: you also get to see some of the best national

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Speaker 18: parks in the world, and that funding helps preserve flora

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Speaker 18: and fauna which are indigenous to New Zealand, which are

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Speaker 18: really special and part of your experience is being contributed

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Speaker 18: to by the U.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well where are these people coming from? Because the

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Speaker 2: thing is that the Chinese market's collect so who are

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Speaker 2: we replacing them with.

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Speaker 18: Well, we have seen an uptick interest from North America

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Speaker 18: in particular, but I want to see those Chinese tourists

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Speaker 18: coming back as well. So my view is that New

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Speaker 18: Zealand does well when we have lots of tourists coming here,

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Speaker 18: spending lots of money from lots of different markets. I

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Speaker 18: think there's a side to that which is if we

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Speaker 18: want New Zealanders to support tourism growing as an industry,

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Speaker 18: and I do want them to. I think they need

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Speaker 18: to see that we're actually able to fund the infrastructure

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Speaker 18: he to support that up tick in tourism. So I

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Speaker 18: think there's book under way to make sure we're growing

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Speaker 18: markets internationally. Markets will come and go, and the point

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Speaker 18: is overall, you want to have a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Options if it comes let's say we are five years

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Speaker 2: down the track, because we still haven't recovered from the

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Speaker 2: tourism numbers that we saw pre COVID, Right, we're still

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Speaker 2: seventeen percent down on it. If it comes to a

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Speaker 2: couple of years from now, you're facing an election and

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Speaker 2: the numbers still haven't recovered, will you guys admit that

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Speaker 2: you made a mistake.

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Speaker 18: Well, I am wanting to do everything we can to

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Speaker 18: increase those numbers over the next little while. I was

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Speaker 18: in Rosarua on Friday meeting with some of the incredible

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Speaker 18: adventure tourism and culptural tourism operators there. They have an

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Speaker 18: incredible offering. They have the capacity to take more throughst

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Speaker 18: and part of what that is is the marketing that

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Speaker 18: we do for those destinations of making sure that people

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Speaker 18: are aware of it, getting the word out. And that's

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Speaker 18: the other piece that we as a government of picking

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Speaker 18: up is how do we do that marketing more sensibly

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Speaker 18: and make sure we're connecting tourists to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Now Nicola, TV and Z. I'm getting a little bit

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Speaker 2: nervous about TV and Z because I can see that,

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Speaker 2: especially with the sport play that they're making, that's that's

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Speaker 2: quite a high risk thing and they're hoping that we're

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Speaker 2: going to pay for it, and want to pay you

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Speaker 2: want to subscribe and pay for all of the sport

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Speaker 2: that they're going to buy for a huge time. How

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Speaker 2: do we ensure that if this whole thing blows up

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Speaker 2: in their faces, taxpayers are not lumped with the cost.

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Speaker 18: Well, the way that TV and ZED works at the moment,

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Speaker 18: we expect TV to make commercial decisions and generate commercial

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Speaker 18: revenue for those decisions, so they are able to make

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Speaker 18: plays if they think there's going to be advertising. They

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Speaker 18: think there's going to be money available to them if

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Speaker 18: they do that, but if it doesn't work out, they're

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Speaker 18: hardly going to be able to fund them into the future.

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Speaker 18: So like any commercial business, sometimes they are going to

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Speaker 18: take some risks, but they should be calculated risks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is hoping. Hey, Nichola, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: really appreciate your time. This Nikola will list the Finance

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Speaker 2: Minister Shane Soli's next quarter.

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Speaker 1: Past crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplic Allen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME on news talks.

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Speaker 2: Edb Hither the Aussie visit tourist visa is three hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy dollars Australia, So ours won't even be all

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Speaker 2: that expensive, yew, would I work it out? It somewhere

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Speaker 2: in the four hundreds compared to their three seventy? Was

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Speaker 2: it four forty compared to their three seventy? So it's

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Speaker 2: around about the same. Here the tourist fees are just

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Speaker 2: booked two weeks in Vietnam, the visa costs more than

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Speaker 2: three hundred New Zealand dollars. Product. That's from trishre and

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Speaker 2: here that we traveled extensively overseas, we pay everywhere. We've

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Speaker 2: got no problem charging tourists to fee. I don't have

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Speaker 2: a problem charging tourists to fee, and I generally agree

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Speaker 2: with the principle that we need to make them pay

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Speaker 2: their bit, right, who doesn't? Who wants to? I don't

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Speaker 2: want to be subsidizing that that industry, do you. The

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Speaker 2: problem is how many we chase away at a time

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Speaker 2: when we can't afford to chase them away. I want

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Speaker 2: just wonder if it may have been something better left

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Speaker 2: for when we're at a high point of tourists, not

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Speaker 2: when we're at a low point, lowish point. It's eighteen

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Speaker 2: past six right now. I ever do see more evidence

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank did make the right call in cutting

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Speaker 2: the OCR. Last week, BNZ Performance of Services indexes out

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Speaker 2: was up almost four points to forty four points six

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Speaker 2: in July. Shane Solely from Harbor Asset Management has been

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Speaker 2: looking at these numbers for us. Hey Shane, Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 2: now it's still under fifty, so it's still contracting, right.

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Speaker 19: That's right, And I think this is a really important

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Speaker 19: thing here. We're still actually well below where we were

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Speaker 19: in the GFC, and I think a lot of people

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Speaker 19: if they know that when they see it out in

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Speaker 19: the streets. But we're reading a lot of work to

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Speaker 19: do here. There was a little bit of life in

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Speaker 19: the measure, so the recovery three in terms of the

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Speaker 19: activity and sales measure and actually a little bit of

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Speaker 19: pick up in new orders. But this is still suggesting

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Speaker 19: the economy is continuing to decline and the Reserve Bank well,

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Speaker 19: they need to keep moving with those cuts.

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Speaker 2: And we've had a start to the August profit reporting

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Speaker 2: season on the market today. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, a couple of interesting results. So two beats, two

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Speaker 19: beats against the expectations and one mass and the two

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Speaker 19: beats Contact Energy and Freightways slightly better. Obviously Contact Energy

1723
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 19: a electricity generator. They're sort of hanging on to their

1724
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 19: balance sheet. They're talking about focusing on future investment and

1725
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 19: infrastructure to support growth and demand. Freightways are not a

1726
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 19: bad result, but cautious about the outlook in the next six months,

1727
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 19: but suggesting maybe as these rate cuts come through they

1728
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 19: see a bit of recovery. But really for them, it

1729
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,440
Speaker 19: was Australia was there when the clanger. The real disappointment

1730
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 19: was a Tom mil listed expectations. The stock price was

1731
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 19: actually down nineteen percent at one stage and the management

1732
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 19: team really quite considered bit of about sales demand, particularly

1733
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 19: into China. With this unfortunate. We haven't seen a real

1734
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 19: boost in terms of infants being born in the Year

1735
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 19: of the Dragon against expectations, and really just actually a

1736
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 19: shortage of infant formula supply and some higher cargo costs,

1737
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 19: particularly air freight, so a few things really pushing them

1738
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 19: back on expectations of a recovery and demand and margin.

1739
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 19: So yeah, tough day for a two. The stock has

1740
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 19: actually been really strong into this, so little bit of

1741
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 19: the market perps getting ahead of itself.

1742
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 2: Oh what else are we expecting to see in terms

1743
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: of profit results for the rest of the week.

1744
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 19: Yeah, busy week here that this week we've actually got

1745
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 19: fifteen companies Tomorrow, we've got Mercury Energy Wednesday, Eboss, Fletcher Building,

1746
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 19: sky TV Tuesday, Auckland Airport, Genesis sky City Friday, Channel

1747
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 19: Infrastructure of the Old, Insin Refining, Insiex, the Stock Exchange,

1748
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 19: Port of Tower on a Spark, New Zealand, and Winton,

1749
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 19: which is the real estate developer.

1750
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not only that, we've got a whole bunch

1751
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 2: of data coming out this week. What you looking for?

1752
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 19: Yeah, look, I think Econon lookwise. Tomorrow we've got the

1753
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 19: ARII and Z house sales for July, and that's important

1754
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 19: because we are we seeing a turning point. But I

1755
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 19: think US politics and economic data come back to the

1756
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 19: fray again, Heather. We're certainly investors have been watching this

1757
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 19: US Democratic National Conference starts tomorrow. Is there any sort

1758
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 19: of policy announcements that come through that are different challenging.

1759
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 19: And then later in the weekend thisss are going to

1760
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 19: switch their focus to the US Federal Reserve Jackson Hole Symposium,

1761
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 19: and that is about whether our friend mister J. Powell,

1762
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 19: chair of the Uscree Reserve, actually starts to talk about

1763
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 19: we're going to cut rates again here and certainly the

1764
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 19: inflation data is supporting that.

1765
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Shane, thank you very much. Really appreciated that. Shane Solly,

1766
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: who's with Harbor Asset Management. But he mentioned Freightways just there.

1767
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Freightways in around about fifteen

1768
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: minutes time because while they've taken a slight dip in

1769
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: the net profit as on slight it's about six percent,

1770
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 2: they actually think that we've turned a corner here or

1771
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 2: through the worst of it, which I think because news

1772
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 2: we all want to hear. So we've a little chat

1773
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 2: to about what they're seeing. There, and if they're seeing

1774
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: the green shoots just yet, just quickly see that yute

1775
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: that was used to ram the cop car at the weekend.

1776
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 2: Cops have got it already. They went around Huntley and

1777
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: also to Hunger having a look at people's houses. Didn't

1778
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: take them very long to find the ute, did it?

1779
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: So there's a rat in the organization, isn't there in

1780
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: the older boy Racer club? Or they were just done

1781
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 2: and left very obvious clues. AnyWho, They've gone and found

1782
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 2: the thing in Autodo Hunger. They've arrested an eighteen year

1783
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 2: old and guess what, it's already been painted black? Hasn't

1784
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 2: it freshly painted to try to evade the cops. Cops

1785
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 2: aren't that dumb. They've got it anyway. Sounds like the

1786
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: guy that they've arrested was the guy that they think

1787
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 2: was driving it, because he's been charged with receiving stolen property,

1788
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: dangerous driving and intentional damage causing danger to life. Now,

1789
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: I hope that this news spreads through the boy Racer

1790
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: community so they can update their little video clips with

1791
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, cops are going to get it. Karma is

1792
01:19:58,240 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: a B word. Blah blah blah ah. The fun thing

1793
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: about ramming a cop card to whips mates and jail. Now,

1794
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: if that's what happens six twenty three.

1795
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the The Business

1796
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR, the HR

1797
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: platform for sme US talksa'd be listen.

1798
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is something you want to hear,

1799
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 2: but I am going to have to update you on

1800
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 2: Hazzard and Mes's trip to Columbia shortly. But first they're

1801
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: still with some serious stuff and where this is why

1802
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 2: we're actually here right six twenty six. So I didn't

1803
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 2: realize this, and I actually don't know whether I just

1804
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: missed it or whether this hasn't been made public yet.

1805
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: But did you realize that it's been announced that the

1806
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: Parliamentary Select Committee inquiry into the rural banking this is

1807
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 2: the one that the Select Committee is going to do,

1808
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 2: is looking into the climate rules. I didn't know this.

1809
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 2: So how I realized this is because there's an article

1810
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 2: that's popped up about the fact that've announced the terms

1811
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: of reference, which is generally quite boring, but the terms

1812
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: of reference this time includes the fact that the banks

1813
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: have signed up to what's called the Net Zero Banking Alliance.

1814
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 2: Now this is not new, right, we knew the banks

1815
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: were doing this. I mean, this is an idea that

1816
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 2: came from COP twenty six in Glasgow, which is a

1817
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 2: couple of years ago now, and basically it aims to

1818
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: get all the banks agree that they're going to get

1819
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: their lending and investment portfolios to net zero emissions by

1820
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 2: twenty fifty and B and Z is a member of it.

1821
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: A and z's parent bank, asb's parent bank, Westpac, and

1822
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 2: Rubbobank's parent banks that are all members of IT, which

1823
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 2: basically ties the big banks into it as well, and

1824
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 2: they've all got targets. So apparently Westpac has a set

1825
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,440
Speaker 2: target of a ten percent reduction in dairy emissions intensity

1826
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 2: by twenty thirty and a nine percent reduction in sheep

1827
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 2: and beef emissions intensity. B and Z has an eleven

1828
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: percent reduction target, and the other banks we don't know

1829
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: yet because either they haven't released them or they haven't

1830
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: set them. But anyway, what the inquiry is now going

1831
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: to look into is basically whether the banks are putting

1832
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 2: the climate ahead of farmers, so whether the banks are

1833
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 2: cutting off lending to farmers and the farmers are claiming

1834
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: this cutting off lending to the farmers because they're trying

1835
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: to meet their climate goals and they can't do both

1836
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: of them at the same out at the same time, right,

1837
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 2: So this is obviously great for the climate if this

1838
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: is what the banks are doing, but it's kind of

1839
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: bad for people who are hungry because we need the

1840
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 2: farmers to make food. And then what they want to

1841
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: look into as well as whether the banks are refusing

1842
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 2: to lend, for example, for somebody building a new gas

1843
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,799
Speaker 2: peaker plant, which is obviously great for us not burning

1844
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: more gas, but very bad because we end up burning

1845
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 2: more coal. So there's a backfire to this. Anyway, I'm

1846
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: fascinated as to whether this is in fact affecting their lending,

1847
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 2: So stand by to have a look at that freightways

1848
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: with us next.

1849
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1850
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

1851
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME US talk sa'd be I'm falling.

1852
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray's with us out of the UK and ten

1853
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 2: minutes time we thought because everybody's getting so blinking excited

1854
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: and I can't even begin to tell you how many

1855
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: texts were like, Yeah, I'd love to be able to

1856
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: sleep on a train between Auckland and Wellington. We thought, look,

1857
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 2: we we just got to find out if this is

1858
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 2: going anywhere. So we put in a request with Simon

1859
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 2: same and Brown, the transportmanist as to whether he would

1860
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 2: entertain this at all basically just said no. He said,

1861
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: investing in an electrified overnight passenger train between Auckland and

1862
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: Wellington is not a priority for this government. However, the

1863
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 2: government is open to commercial operators accessing the tracks on

1864
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: commercial terms to provide these services. Supposedally like somebody else

1865
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: can do it and they can pay us for it.

1866
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: And you know what, I don't mind that as a

1867
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 2: business model. I mean, I feel like if no private

1868
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: person does it, that's because we know it's a terrible idea.

1869
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 2: But if they do it, then I have some hope.

1870
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: And speaking of which, I've got a lot of texts

1871
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 2: about what's going on with the flights hither. I travel

1872
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: weekly nationally. I've got a large sales team. We've seen

1873
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 2: a forty five percent lift on our air travel bill.

1874
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: Think about that forty five percent. I mean that is

1875
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: a significant increase in the cost that you're paying.

1876
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 3: Booked.

1877
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 2: A flight from Auckland to Partents to North last week

1878
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: was nine hundred and eighty four dollars return, so I

1879
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: ended up flying air Chathams this morning to fung Anui

1880
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 2: instead for three hundred and forty five dollars return. A

1881
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 2: flight Queenstown return from Auckland last week was over a grand.

1882
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 2: At the same time, in New Zealand advertised a special

1883
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,480
Speaker 2: to the US It's seven hundred and fifty dollars. Admittedly

1884
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 2: it was one way, Robbie, thank you for that, Heather.

1885
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: The clown in the ute will get so many discounts

1886
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: on sentencing, he'll probably end up doing a couple of

1887
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 2: weeks p D. Steve. That's even if we end up

1888
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 2: punishing him. I mean, we may actually find that by

1889
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: the time the judge has finished discounting, because you know,

1890
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 2: judges are softhearted individuals. You know, they feel very bad,

1891
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,719
Speaker 2: very bad for the circumstances that have led to somebody

1892
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 2: deliberately allegedly backing a ute at full speed into a

1893
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 2: cop car where there are a number of police officers,

1894
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 2: And by the time they've finished discounting, we might have

1895
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 2: to give him his repainted white for him, give it

1896
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,839
Speaker 2: back to him, apologize to him, pay for his petrol.

1897
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: Who knows twenty two away from.

1898
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 1: Seven Heather duper Cela.

1899
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 2: One of the biggest delivery companies, reckons one of our

1900
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 2: biggest by the way delivery companies. Reckons, We're coming out

1901
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: the other side of our recession. This is Freightways runs

1902
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Couriers runs Big Chill. Of course, it's recall

1903
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: a five point eight percent decrease in its net profit.

1904
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 2: That's down to about seventy one million dollars. But the

1905
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: company is celebrating the result because it's whether the worst

1906
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 2: of our economic times. It reckons, Mark throw Here is

1907
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 2: the Freightway CEO.

1908
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 14: Hey Mark, Hi Heather, how are you.

1909
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. So are you seeing this

1910
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 2: as actually quite a small drop for how bad things

1911
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: have been?

1912
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 14: Yes, in a word, yes, I think I don't know

1913
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 14: that it gets any worse than this, and it's been

1914
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 14: at this level for a wee while now. So now

1915
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 14: there's a little bit of light at the end of

1916
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 14: the tunnel that hopefully isn't a train coming the other way.

1917
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 14: With some rate cuts here in New Zealand, maybe gradually

1918
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 14: we can start to see someone proven as we get

1919
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 14: into next year.

1920
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 2: What do you mean it doesn't get as bad as this?

1921
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 14: Well, I think we've tracked our customer activity month or months,

1922
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 14: day on day for a long time now, and I

1923
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 14: think we're at at the moment seems to be as

1924
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,480
Speaker 14: bad as it has been through that last eighteen months.

1925
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 14: We're not seeing it getting any worse. We're not seeing

1926
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 14: but it's really stable in terms of the volume coming

1927
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 14: from our customers. So what we would hope is with

1928
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 14: a little bit of confidence from lower interest rates as

1929
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 14: we come into next year, that that volume then might

1930
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 14: pick up.

1931
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Do you reckon it's going to make a big difference

1932
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 2: what happened with the ocr last week.

1933
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Speaker 14: I think it'll take maybe six or so months to

1934
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Speaker 14: wash through. So our pick would be maybe after Christmas,

1935
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Speaker 14: she's starting to see a few green shoots out there.

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Speaker 2: So you think because I was kind of penning hopes

1937
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Speaker 2: on the fact that just that signal that we are

1938
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Speaker 2: through the worst of it would give some people some

1939
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Speaker 2: confidence to start spending that don't need to hoard for

1940
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Speaker 2: the big roll over on the interest rates and stuff.

1941
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Speaker 2: You don't think that will happen.

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Speaker 14: I suspect it'll take a little while maybe for people

1943
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Speaker 14: to roll over their interest rates have a few more

1944
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Speaker 14: dollars in their pocket. There's tax cuts that we've just

1945
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Speaker 14: had as well, and again it's a small contribution to

1946
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Speaker 14: some people to put a little bit more money in

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Speaker 14: their pocket. But my sense, my gut feel, is it

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Speaker 14: might just take six months to wash through to see

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Speaker 14: a little bit more volume.

1950
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Speaker 2: Al So still post the summer holidays before we really

1951
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Speaker 2: start to see a pick up in business.

1952
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Speaker 14: Look, I think so, I mean Christmas time is a

1953
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 14: busier time for us, but I don't think it's going

1954
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Speaker 14: to be that much busier than last year. I think

1955
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Speaker 14: we'll ride through that period and then in the new year.

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Speaker 14: I mean some cases, it's businesses it might need to

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Speaker 14: invest to grow their capacity, to push out a bit

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Speaker 14: more frase and have a bit more activity. For things

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Speaker 14: like the construction industry here, so we do a lot

1960
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Speaker 14: of a lot of work for people in the construction sector,

1961
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Speaker 14: and that sector is really down on the doldrums at

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Speaker 14: the moment. It might take a little while for that

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Speaker 14: sort of sector to flow through with better results.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suspect it's going to be like we're not

1965
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Speaker 2: talking months we're probably talking years, aren't we with them?

1966
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Speaker 14: Potentially, Potentially we did a huge amount of work for

1967
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Speaker 14: people back in if you remember the COVID days where

1968
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Speaker 14: you couldn't fly anywhere, but you can do up your house,

1969
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Speaker 14: and so you come off high of that back in

1970
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Speaker 14: probably twenty twenty two, and it's been really muted. But

1971
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Speaker 14: even sectors like that, I suspect maybe over the next

1972
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Speaker 14: six months just start to get a little bit of

1973
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Speaker 14: a lift.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Mark, I mean, if you listen to

1975
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Speaker 2: the likes of I think it was Fitch who said

1976
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Speaker 2: it a few weeks back, we I guess many of

1977
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 2: us are banking on bouncing out of this and just

1978
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: going back to sort of the hype of the last

1979
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: ten years once we get through the COVID stuff. But

1980
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Speaker 2: they were saying, temper your expectations because the Chinese economy

1981
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 2: is not doing that well and the recovery is just

1982
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 2: going to be pretty grinding from here. Is that what

1983
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Speaker 2: you're expecting.

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Speaker 14: Look, I think it'd be slow and steady, but that's

1985
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Speaker 14: all right for us. Slow and steady, and even one

1986
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Speaker 14: percent two percent growth out of our existing customers that

1987
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Speaker 14: feeds our network pretty well. So we would be okay

1988
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Speaker 14: with that, we'll win a bit of new business. We'll

1989
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Speaker 14: attract a few new customers, get our pricing right. You

1990
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Speaker 14: know that won't be the worst outcome.

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Speaker 2: Oh good stuff, Mark, listen, thank you appreciated, look after yourself.

1992
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Speaker 2: That's Mark trow Here Froatway CEO coming up, eighteen away

1993
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Speaker 2: from seven Here the duplessye Ellen, Haran Meghan. I know

1994
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 2: you've been waiting for ages for this. Harry and Meghan

1995
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: have just wrapped up their full day tour of Columbia.

1996
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Speaker 2: The thing about this tour is nobody can figure out

1997
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Speaker 2: why they did the tour. It's really really weird because

1998
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Speaker 2: the whole thing, I mean, this is not the first

1999
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: time they've done something similar, but it's designed to look

2000
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Speaker 2: like a royal tour, but they're not actually working royals anymore.

2001
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Speaker 2: It's not an official royal tour, so what the hell

2002
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: is it? But that was exactly like a Royal tour.

2003
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 2: They had multiple outfit changes every day. They had formal

2004
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 2: official visits where they went to things like you know,

2005
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: looking at a school, playing the drums at a school,

2006
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 2: going and looking at some cultural stuff, going and appearing

2007
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Speaker 2: online to speak on stage, to speak on a forum

2008
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 2: about something really boring like online safety. Weird, right, but

2009
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Speaker 2: still not a royal tour, and it's not like it.

2010
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: I don't quite know what to make of this, but

2011
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 2: they didn't really let the press pack come. They just

2012
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 2: invited one and I guess everybody else had to stay away.

2013
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,799
Speaker 2: And this poor journalists had to file for literally every

2014
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: media outlet that wanted to know about this in the

2015
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Speaker 2: entire world. And then they released their photos and stuff. Anyway,

2016
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 2: then they said, because everybody's like, well, but why are

2017
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 2: you there? There's no big event. It's not like Columbia's

2018
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 2: celebrating its national Day. It's not like something specials happened.

2019
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 2: It's not like you're promoting the Invictus Games. To be

2020
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 2: why are you there? They would have said some stuff

2021
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 2: about uplifting a communities and showcasing the nation's heritage, but

2022
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 2: we're just still really baffled. I mean, most likely explanation

2023
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 2: probably is that it was just a free They got used. Basically, somebody,

2024
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 2: the vice president or whatever, was like, hey, guys, you

2025
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 2: want to come visit us agaven the free holiday, and

2026
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: they just basically got these guys to be like baller

2027
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 2: influences and do like a massive tourism pitch. And that's

2028
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: the only explanation. They're so bizarre. Do you know what

2029
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 2: they are? They're just useless the board, aren't they. This

2030
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 2: is like what bored rich people do. They float around

2031
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 2: going I don't really know what to do. I'll just

2032
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 2: go visit somewhere. Let's visit somewhere and take some photos.

2033
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 2: But like to the nth degree, at least other rich

2034
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 2: people sort of do it on their own time, but

2035
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,639
Speaker 2: these guys have to do it and get photos taken anyway.

2036
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray may Or may not have opinions on it,

2037
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Speaker 2: and he's with us shortly sixteen away from seven.

2038
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Dupice

2039
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the

2040
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on newstalk sedb.

2041
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: Hey, this is a really weird little thing that just

2042
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,759
Speaker 2: came out in the one News poll. So they also

2043
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 2: asked They didn't just ask voting intentions this evening, they

2044
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 2: also asked about race relations. Asked public the question do

2045
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 2: you think the government's policies are reducing, increasing, or making

2046
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 2: no real difference to race relations? Reducing race relations came

2047
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 2: in at Racial tensions, by the way, came in at

2048
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 2: ten percent. Increasing racial tensions came at forty six percent,

2049
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 2: and making no real difference to racial tensions came in

2050
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 2: at thirty seven percent, which means, if you add reducing

2051
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 2: plus making no real difference, forty seven percent of people

2052
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: think that what the government's doing is making no real

2053
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,920
Speaker 2: difference to racial tensions or decreasing them, compared to forty

2054
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 2: six percent who say it's increasing them. So it's level peaking.

2055
01:31:55,880 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 2: That's a fascinating little little I mean, is there any

2056
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 2: dispute that it's increasing. I mean, you could have an

2057
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 2: argument about whether you think that it's worth increasing it

2058
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 2: in the short term for the long term gain. But

2059
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 2: it's definitely increasing it, isn't it anyway? Twenty everybody has

2060
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 2: different opinions. Thirteen away from seven Gavin Gray are UK

2061
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 2: correspondents with US.

2062
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 20: Now Hikeevin hither Head.

2063
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 2: How over crowded are the prisons?

2064
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 20: Yeah? Getting to absolute capacity, which is why as of

2065
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,679
Speaker 20: a couple of hours ago, this government kicked in operation

2066
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 20: early dawn. What does that mean? Well, it's a kind

2067
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 20: of emergency stop gap in order to try and at

2068
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 20: least alleviate some of the pressures on prisons, and it

2069
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 20: means that across the North of England, defendants waiting for

2070
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 20: a court appearance will be kept in police cells until

2071
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,879
Speaker 20: prison space is available. So normally they're in prison cells,

2072
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 20: but there isn't the space that they're being kept in

2073
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 20: police cells. Why does that matter well, because now, of

2074
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 20: course if an officer on the streets wants to detain

2075
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 20: people in a police cell, they may find that police

2076
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 20: cell is already full, and those are said to be

2077
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 20: running at near capacity as well. So consequently, the sign

2078
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 20: that Operation Early Dawn has been kicked in really was

2079
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 20: something that was used air by the previous government back

2080
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 20: in May. They then decided that they would release some

2081
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 20: non violent offenders from prison early to free up space

2082
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 20: forty to forty five percent through their sentence. It was

2083
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,360
Speaker 20: controversial at the time, but of course now Labor is

2084
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:27,639
Speaker 20: saying there is such an overcrowding problem. Although there are

2085
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 20: two new prisons coming on streams in the next couple

2086
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 20: of months, they are not ready yet. And following the

2087
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,879
Speaker 20: riots that we've seen and some four hundred and seventy

2088
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 20: people being charged and pushed through the courts, there is

2089
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 20: simply too much pressure on the system at the moment.

2090
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 2: Kevin, have you figured out why hesther En Mezza did

2091
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: the trip to Columbia publicity there?

2092
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 20: I say they were invited. It's not gone down particularly

2093
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 20: well here Prince Harry and Megan. Of course, touring Columbia,

2094
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 20: there's great concern about their own security, one of the

2095
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 20: most dangerous places apparently on Earth in terms of kidnaps

2096
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 20: and murders and shootings and so forth. And yeah, they've

2097
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 20: had a bit of coverage over here, not a huge amount,

2098
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 20: but I'm pleased at least they are safe. I dare

2099
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 20: say they probably quite happy with the way it went

2100
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 20: in that they met lots of people, lots of smiling faces,

2101
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 20: But apparently the crowds of those who gathered not for

2102
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 20: the official events, but the crowds who were outside were

2103
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 20: quite small, and many people just did not know why

2104
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 20: they were in their country, or.

2105
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 2: Did actually not even know who they were in some cases. Yeah, Kevin,

2106
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 2: give me the funniest joke at this year's Fringe festival.

2107
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 20: Okay, well, I'm going to hit you with this. It's

2108
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 20: quite a Yeah, it's you. You've got to concentrate. Here

2109
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,839
Speaker 20: we go. I was going to sail around the globe

2110
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 20: in the world's smallest ship, but I bottled it. Now

2111
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 20: the funniest joke. The funniest joke at the Edinburgh Fringe

2112
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 20: Festival is that one has been chosen by members of

2113
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 20: the public from a short list drawn up by the judges.

2114
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 20: The Nautical one liner was ranked among the best by

2115
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 20: forty percent of those surveyed. If we've got time, I'll

2116
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 20: give you a couple of others. Another one, I've been

2117
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 20: taking salsa lessons for months, but I just don't feel

2118
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 20: like I'm progressing. It's one step forward, two steps back.

2119
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 20: Another one said eight horse at a restaurant once wasn't great.

2120
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 20: Starter was all right, but the main was dreadful. Another

2121
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 20: one said I sailed through my driving test, that's why

2122
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 20: I failed it. And the one that I thought was

2123
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 20: she really could have done better, coming in at fifth place.

2124
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 20: I love the Olympics. My friend and I invited a

2125
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 20: new type of relay baton. Well, he came up with

2126
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 20: the idea and I ran with it.

2127
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Kevin every single year and I can't get

2128
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 2: my hit around. And what I want to know is

2129
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,759
Speaker 2: in what context are these jokes supposed to be funny.

2130
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 2: Is this people who are standing on stage and delivering

2131
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 2: these jokes and then they got oh that was the

2132
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 2: funny one. Let's write that one down and submitted. Or

2133
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 2: is it just a whole bunch of punters who sort

2134
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: of submit what they think are going to be Christmas

2135
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 2: crack a joke?

2136
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 20: No, no, no, These all acts within the Edinburgh Friends

2137
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 20: on stage. Yeah, they're doing it well, it's part of

2138
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 20: a long routine and then they'll throw in a few

2139
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 20: one liners like this, and of course it's now become

2140
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 20: a thing to try and win the prize. It's yeah.

2141
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 20: I mean in the cold light today on its own

2142
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 20: as a one line, you think is that the best

2143
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 20: they could do? But actually in a sort of routine

2144
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 20: they do go down really well. Another of my quick

2145
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 20: favorites pints gallons leaders, which I think speaks volumes.

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Speaker 2: Ah, jeez, it's so bad, isn't it. Devin, Thank you?

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Speaker 2: I appreciate. Kevin Gray, UK correspondent. I mean that's dead jokes,

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Speaker 2: that's you know what that is had to be there,

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Speaker 2: that's what that is. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Ellen and my

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Speaker 1: HR the HR platform for SME.

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Speaker 2: Used talks it b You're a typical Kiwi Hither. If

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Speaker 2: the C word is not in the joke, it's not

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Speaker 2: funny to you, just just a little bit of just

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Speaker 2: shade for the whole country there. So thank you for that, Steve. Also,

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Speaker 2: by the way, somebody made an excellent point earlier which

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Speaker 2: I think is worth repeating. Ben text through saying I

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Speaker 2: can't see Darlene Tanna staying on after that pole drop,

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Speaker 2: which is a fair point to make, actually, because almost

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Speaker 2: nothing causes the Greens to have a pole drop, a

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Speaker 2: like Julie and Gens is like screaming in somebody's face

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Speaker 2: on camera. There's no dispute on camera. Nothing happens to

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Speaker 2: their polling. They go, oh, mate, helping herself to some stuff,

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Speaker 2: and shops go the going to the cops, go into

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Speaker 2: the courts, doing the whole walk of shame through the

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Speaker 2: nothing happens to their polling. But Darlene doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: quit the party when the party wants her to quit,

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Speaker 2: And suddenly they start coming back and they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: looking at I imagine they'll be looking at that going,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to get rid of her otherwise that

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Speaker 2: carries on anyway, Disney. Disney is in trouble, and that's

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Speaker 2: probably not a surprise to you actually, because when was

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Speaker 2: the last time you watched a Disney movie. But that's

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Speaker 2: not why they're in trouble. They are in trouble apparently

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Speaker 2: because the young kids, the gen z is, aren't loving them.

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Speaker 2: So just I think it was this last weekend. They

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Speaker 2: had a fan convention. Very recently. They have fan convention

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Speaker 2: and Disney super fans go to it. They pay huge

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Speaker 2: amounts of money. They go and there's like thirty six

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Speaker 2: different countries. People from thirty six countries fly in and

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Speaker 2: they dress up. They dress up as Mowana or Tiana

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Speaker 2: or Malificent or Wolverine or Darth Vader. And they had

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Speaker 2: all of these generations, you know, kind of Disneyish generations,

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Speaker 2: millennials down I suppose represent but no gen z is.

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Speaker 2: The gen z Is are the ones who are like

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Speaker 2: twelve years old through to twenty seven, and they can't

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Speaker 2: figure out why these kids don't like Disney stuff. Part

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Speaker 2: of it is, they think because they're way too into

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Speaker 2: influences and being like older than their years because they're

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Speaker 2: watching too much of the iPad. Some of it may

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Speaker 2: be the cost, because the thing costs one hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: a day, which is quite a lot of money. Some

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Speaker 2: of it may just be that they don't really they're

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Speaker 2: just not into the fandom thing and dressing up. There's

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Speaker 2: another aspect which is not being covered by the concerned

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Speaker 2: reporting about this, which maybe that the whole convention is

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Speaker 2: full of millennials, and millennials are not young anymore. Millennials

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Speaker 2: are like in their forties. Who wants to go and

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Speaker 2: dress up with? Like millennials? People in their forties dressing up?

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Speaker 2: Mowana get a life? Who wants to hang I don't

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Speaker 2: even want to hang out with them? And I am

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Speaker 2: a millennial. That's probably the reason.

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Speaker 21: And I think I would look great in the moanare

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Speaker 21: utfit personally hither This train is bound for glory, as

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Speaker 21: performed by Mumford and Sons to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 21: I always love when I get an opportunity to play

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Speaker 21: this one. We haven't had a great train story in ages.

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Speaker 21: How good The train's going to be fancy enough to

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Speaker 21: have showers and it's only going to cost one hundred

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Speaker 21: dollars and it's going back and forth Nortan and willing

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Speaker 21: to night sign me.

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Speaker 2: Up and it's eighteen forty. I mean, it's not going

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Speaker 2: to happen, is it?

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Speaker 21: On the main trunk line?

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Speaker 2: Hither here we go, yay la la Land. This is

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Speaker 2: why Wellington gets in the trouble. It gets into because

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Speaker 2: they go's they're gonna cost one hundred bucks, and they go,

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Speaker 2: let's get it and then they go whoops.

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Speaker 3: See you tomorrow.

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