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Speaker 1: How about transmission galier in a country that finally seems

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Speaker 1: to be getting its infrastructure pipeline up and running, we

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Speaker 1: might have to set aside a little bit of bitchman

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Speaker 1: to go and fix the stuff we didn't build properly

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Speaker 1: in the first place. We got a six month twenty

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Speaker 1: k resurfacing project having worn the thing out in three

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Speaker 1: and a half years. The blame you're ready climate in

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Speaker 1: the weather. Nick Leggart is the Infrastructure New Zealand Chief

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Speaker 1: executive and is back with this Nick morning hike. A

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Speaker 1: lot of texts saying it's a PPP in the contract

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Speaker 1: will pay correct.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that the contract was restructured last year,

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Speaker 2: and in an ideal world that would be the case.

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Speaker 2: But you know this was a project. You know you

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Speaker 2: will remember it as everybody listening, well, it was beset

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Speaker 2: with problems right from the beginning. I think it was underpriced.

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Speaker 2: And then we had COVID and you will remember those

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Speaker 2: endless delays. Skilled people left the country, they didn't come back.

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Speaker 2: In some cases, supply chain problems. Getting aggregate to the

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Speaker 2: site was really difficult. YadA YadA. It's we do need

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Speaker 2: a full and a clear sighted review. I think because

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Speaker 2: road users are going to be really inconvenienced here across

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Speaker 2: two summers, and we want to know that when we

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Speaker 2: build this sort of stuff in the future, irrespective of

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Speaker 2: whether it's a PPP or not. PPPs are good, by

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Speaker 2: the way, but we've got to get the model right

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Speaker 2: and we've got to give the public confidence. I think

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Speaker 2: that the stuff can be done properly.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things out of that one, as it

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Speaker 1: goes back to the COVID rules at the time and

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Speaker 1: the previous government. Of course, there is no reason why

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Speaker 1: they couldn't have kept building roads during COVID, is there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're in fresh air, for God's.

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Speaker 2: Sake, that's I think that's absolutely right. They did suffer

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Speaker 2: from you know, when the first lockdown happened, people who

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Speaker 2: were international skills that were working on the job left

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Speaker 2: the country. I think in some cases they didn't come back.

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Speaker 2: That was definitely a problem. But as you say, the

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Speaker 2: stop work just cause delays, and you wonder when there's

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Speaker 2: a delay and then there's a whole lot of public

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Speaker 2: pressure to get something open, you know. I mean the

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Speaker 2: road was opened without consent all being satisfied, So it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's a bit of a it was a bit

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Speaker 2: of a dog's breakfast that now we're you know, we're

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Speaker 2: having to clean up.

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Speaker 1: So that's the second part. So there's two parts to it.

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Speaker 1: Is this a one off like this got cocked up

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Speaker 1: of the previous government, Therefore we can, you know, let's

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Speaker 1: put it right and move on, or do we have

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Speaker 1: ongoing inability to build and secure proper projects in this

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Speaker 1: country that we're going to have to patch up for

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Speaker 1: the rest of our lives.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think I think there's a yes to

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Speaker 2: the first question. The second question is we've just got

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Speaker 2: to do better where it came. I mean, we're not

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Speaker 2: that experience that building something projects might you know, because

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Speaker 2: things get switched on and switched off. So I think

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Speaker 2: that people would expect if we're going to build, whether

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Speaker 2: it's a new road or a new connection under Orkland

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Speaker 2: or a light rail or whatever it might be, that

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Speaker 2: we've got the ability to get it right. And part

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Speaker 2: of that's just about building muscle and not having that

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Speaker 2: pipeline as you mentioned at the start. So when a

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Speaker 2: big project's done, all the skin bills and the experience

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Speaker 2: from that get transferred to the next big project. We

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Speaker 2: don't stop and start.

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Speaker 1: Are we on the track? I mean, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: be positive and trying to turn this country around. The

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Speaker 1: side ornaments Now, so the money, the pipeline, have we

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Speaker 1: started to look like we're getting this right.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, there is a good pipeline. You've seen that

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Speaker 2: six billion dollars of committed money that the government want

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Speaker 2: to get into the market before the end of this

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Speaker 2: year on things like the Autucky delve in and other

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Speaker 2: projects around the country. So but we've got to get

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Speaker 2: that money into the market. The market has then got

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Speaker 2: to build and deliver, and we've got to keep that going.

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Speaker 2: What we can't afford is this is what happens. We've

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Speaker 2: politicized this stuff too much. So when a new government

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Speaker 2: comes in, they slow, or they stop, or they cancel.

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Speaker 2: We've got to have a continuous pipeline that is that's

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Speaker 2: got more nonpartisan or biparties an agreement, and that way

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Speaker 2: we will keep the market working as it should and

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Speaker 2: will give the confidence to the public that infrastructure just

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Speaker 2: keeps going irrespective of what Tapman politically are in the economy.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Well said, you have a good week. I appreciate

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