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Speaker 1: Ukraine. The war continues, and we have Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: we have Vladimir Putin having a call tonight our time,

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Speaker 1: hopefully to get the Russians to agree to the peace

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Speaker 1: deal that the US is broken, that Ukraine has already

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Speaker 1: agreed to. That's the goal of the meeting. Indo Brady's

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Speaker 1: UK correspondence with US tonight, Hi Ininda.

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Speaker 2: Hey Ryan, good to speak to you again.

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Speaker 1: Good to speak to you too. So these two leaders

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Speaker 1: are going to speak tonight and we're hoping to get

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Speaker 1: some resolution. What's the feeling over your way of whether

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Speaker 1: we might.

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Speaker 2: I think the overwhelming emulsion in today is one of fear,

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Speaker 2: because this is the phone call where they will effectively

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Speaker 2: be carving up Ukrainian land and assets and deciding who

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Speaker 2: gets what now. We haven't seen any intimation from Vladimir

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Speaker 2: Putin that he will bend or he will concede anything.

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Speaker 2: Everything seems to be very much on his terms. Trump

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Speaker 2: seems to be very much on his side. He has

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Speaker 2: already told Zelenski he holds no cards whatsoever. We've seen

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Speaker 2: that said to his face in the Whitehouse. So this

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Speaker 2: is not a negotiation. A lot of people in Europe

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Speaker 2: are just worried today that this will be effectively handing

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Speaker 2: Putin exactly what he wants, and once he gets what

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Speaker 2: he wants in Ukraine, the big question everyone else in

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Speaker 2: Europe has is what next? What will he stop at?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess I mean there'll be some around

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Speaker 1: the world who'll say, well, Europe, this is sort of

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Speaker 1: in a way, you're own making too, because you abdicated

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Speaker 1: your own responsibilities. And I don't mean you enda you

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Speaker 1: know that you're educated its own responsibilities for securing its

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Speaker 1: defense capabilities, and therefore you know, when someone like Trump

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Speaker 1: comes along and takes America out of the picture, well

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Speaker 1: this happens, Well.

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Speaker 2: I'd have issues with that because I think Germany and

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Speaker 2: the UK have stepped up. There has been huge support

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Speaker 2: militarily financially in terms of training soldiers as well, certainly

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Speaker 2: from the UK. The Germans have given more than anyone

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Speaker 2: else in Europe. So Europe has done as much as

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Speaker 2: it can. Certainly some countries could have done more. But

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Speaker 2: I think today will be a very sad day if

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Speaker 2: this pans out. As people are expecting that a phone

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Speaker 2: call goes from Trump to Putin, many people questioning that

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Speaker 2: relationship stroke friendship and Putin, having waged three years of

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Speaker 2: an illegal war, gets exactly what he wants. So basically

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Speaker 2: today will be all about dividing up Ukraine's land and

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Speaker 2: who gets the power stations. And I don't see anything

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Speaker 2: that will come out of this phone call that will

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Speaker 2: make Putin think I can stop now. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: know the huge theories that we're in a Neville Chamberlaine moment,

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Speaker 2: and we get Trump tonight waving a little bit of

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Speaker 2: white paper saying that he's got peace in our time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go to King Charles. He's had a meeting

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Speaker 1: with the new Canadian Prime minister. What's that four?

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Speaker 2: Well, check out what he wore a white shirt and

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Speaker 2: a red tie on King Charles of Canada when he

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Speaker 2: met Mark Carney. So look, they know each other. Carney

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Speaker 2: was Governor of the Bank of England for almost seven

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Speaker 2: years here, so he is very much embedded in British

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Speaker 2: life and the establishment here, and he has many friends

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Speaker 2: in Europe. And Carney's whistle stop tour took him to

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Speaker 2: Paris first and then London, so in the space of

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Speaker 2: less than twenty four hours, he has spent time with

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Speaker 2: President Macron, Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister and King Charles.

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Speaker 2: So this is not a message to the Canadian people.

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Speaker 2: This is a message to the White House because traditionally

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Speaker 2: Canada's new Prime minister always makes his first foreign trip

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Speaker 2: to Washington, DC. And this is what Mark Karney has done.

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Speaker 2: Make no mistake, he has huge support in Europe and

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Speaker 2: as was evidenced with the reception, he got a Bookingham Palace.

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Speaker 2: King Charles very very much on side, wearing Canadian colors.

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Speaker 1: Now the steps you've got on your hands on showing

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Speaker 1: one in ten UK adults are on benefits for sickness.

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Speaker 1: That is a massive number, is it not?

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Speaker 2: It is and it's a huge talking point this week

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Speaker 2: as Keir Starmer tries to address the issues. So he's

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Speaker 2: saying that there's not the money there to support the

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Speaker 2: welfare state and that he needs to shave and shave

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Speaker 2: is a loose definition. Ten billion dollars off benefits in

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Speaker 2: the UK and the stat has come out to back

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Speaker 2: up what the Prime Minister is doing. That ultimately, one

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Speaker 2: in ten adults of working age are getting some financial

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Speaker 2: benefits for being on sick leave. Now, this has gone

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Speaker 2: through the roof since COVID I don't quite know how

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Speaker 2: he fixes it because a lot of people don't want

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Speaker 2: full time work. So we've got nine point two million

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Speaker 2: adults here doing nothing, contributing nothing as well, in addition

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Speaker 2: to the one in ten on sick leave and benefits,

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Speaker 2: there's nine million who don't pay any tax, don't contribute,

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Speaker 2: and everyone else is carrying them. So it's a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge headache. But look, this has built up over many,

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Speaker 2: many years. Starmar is just the first to kind of

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Speaker 2: come along and say, okay, let's fix it. But we

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Speaker 2: haven't heard how what the plan is.

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Speaker 1: So these people on welfare like government welfia chicks or

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Speaker 1: are they yes? All right, that's massive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's costing billions and billions of dollars. And I

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Speaker 2: think you know, speak to people. This is a conversation

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Speaker 2: down the pub. When you speak to people, the suspicion

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Speaker 2: is an awful lot of people are swinging the lead.

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Speaker 2: And I'll probably get killed for saying this out loud

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Speaker 2: on air. But mental health issues since COVID seem to

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Speaker 2: be a major factor and a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: on benefits since COVID citing mental health reasons. And I

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Speaker 2: think Starmar's government have looked at the sums and they've realized,

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Speaker 2: you know, how can this have been so bad in

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Speaker 2: the last three years? And COVID is the issue, But

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Speaker 2: how he can start telling people to go back to

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Speaker 2: work if they're claiming they're genuinely ill. I just that's

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Speaker 2: a conversation for you and your GP. I guess what

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Speaker 2: stays behind closed doors stay behind closed doors. But Starmer

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Speaker 2: has got a huge, huge problem on his hands here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah in the Thank you very much to the ind

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