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Speaker 2: Night.

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Speaker 1: Your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with Jack

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Welcome to News Talks V. Jack Tame with

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Speaker 5: you through the midday today. Sorry, sorry about it. I

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Speaker 5: think it was a knock on. Oh just classic Warriors

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Speaker 5: performance last night. Classic Warriors performance. Sixteen points down, always last,

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Speaker 5: then they come surging back. Took about three quarters of

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Speaker 5: the game for them to actually get into It comes

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Speaker 5: down to those fires couple of minutes. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 5: are they gonna do it? Are they gonna do it?

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Speaker 5: You go to the bunker. No, they're not gonna do it.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna talk to our sporto about that very shortly

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Speaker 5: on News Talks he'd be We're dealing with the big

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Speaker 5: questions this morning. We're gonna look at research that actually

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Speaker 5: questions whether or not pets are good for you. And

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Speaker 5: I promise this is unrelated to that subject. But we're

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Speaker 5: gonna tell you about a new fake leather and some

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Speaker 5: technology that helps it smell like real leather. And after

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Speaker 5: ten o'clock our feature interview this morning, the Grand dame

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Speaker 5: of crime fiction, the author of Prime Suspect and Above Suspicion,

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Speaker 5: Linda La Plant is gonna be. Whether she's got an

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Speaker 5: amazing name, she's got an even more amazing voice. I'm

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Speaker 5: sure she wouldn't mind me saying it, but she talks

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Speaker 5: kind of like this. Yes, Jack, so very much looking

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Speaker 5: forward to catching up with Linda La Plant after ten

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Speaker 5: o'clock this morning. Right now, it's eight minutes past.

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Speaker 6: Nine, Jack, team.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's the government, like international organizations, you know, like

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Speaker 5: the UN and that kind of thing, higher education, universities,

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Speaker 5: or well, even the media. Actually, one of the defining

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Speaker 5: dynamics of this social media age is the deteriorating trust

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Speaker 5: in public institutions. And it's kind of extraordinary when you

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Speaker 5: think about it. At a time when humans are on

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Speaker 5: the whole, wealthier, healthier, more dominant than at any other

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Speaker 5: time in our species history, we are also more distrustful

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Speaker 5: of the institutions that are supposed to serve us. So look,

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Speaker 5: Saturday mornings is usually a monetary policy free zone. For

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Speaker 5: the most part, we are ninety nine point ninety seven

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Speaker 5: percent monetary policy free, and I promise to mostly keep

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Speaker 5: it that way for an hour but I got to

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Speaker 5: say it was pretty remarkable at the close of play

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Speaker 5: last night to see an announcement from the Finance Minister

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Speaker 5: about the Chair of the Reserve Bank, Neil Quigley, had

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Speaker 5: resigned effective immediately following further revelations about his handling of

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Speaker 5: the former Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Or's departure. Nikola Willis

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Speaker 5: then confirmed to News Talks he'd be that if Quiggly

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Speaker 5: hadn't offered his resignation, she would have asked for it. Now. Look,

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Speaker 5: I do not expect anyone to follow all of the

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Speaker 5: of days you remember this, Adrian Or ultimately resigned. But

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Speaker 5: instead of being absolutely transparent about the dispute and about

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Speaker 5: what had actually happened, the Reserve Bank chair Neil Quigley

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Speaker 5: told media at the time that Adrian Or had resigned

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Speaker 5: for quote personal reason. Ah, yes, the old personal reasons. Eh. Look,

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Speaker 5: if this was just some rando, then no harm, no foul.

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Speaker 5: But Adrian Or was the governor of the Reserve Bank,

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Speaker 5: His pens stroke the decisions of the Monetary Policy Committee

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Speaker 5: can be the difference between like thousands or hundreds of

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Speaker 5: and after Neil Quigley's explanation after the Reserve Bank declined

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Speaker 5: for Adrian Or to be interviewed, I personally went to

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Speaker 5: even though my job was very different to that of

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Speaker 5: and look, I get it, this is totally different to

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Speaker 5: lower stakes. But I had the chance to reflect on

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Speaker 5: was on this podcast. The podcast is called Recovering, in

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Speaker 5: which News Talks DB's Frank Richie asks journalists to reflect

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Speaker 5: my five years as TVNZ's US correspondent, and this is

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Speaker 5: thing is humans are fallible. A we all make mistakes,

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Speaker 5: we all do. But the Reserve Bank episode demonstrates that

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Speaker 5: the best thing a public institution can do to protect

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Speaker 5: got your movie picks for this weekend, including one with

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Speaker 5: for the week. Next up, Hayden Jones is here. It's

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much for your texts and emails this morning, Jack,

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Speaker 5: I agree with you. Funny how these institutions forget who

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Speaker 5: people you know, you don't work for a government, you

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Speaker 5: work for the people. Jack, I agree, transparency goes a

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Speaker 5: long way. The truth is, though, when it comes to

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Speaker 5: the fact that they made the wrong decisions over COVID

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Speaker 5: a messages. This morning, speaking of economic times, the Jones

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Speaker 5: how about that. Hayden Jones is with us this morning.

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Speaker 7: Where are you, sir, oh, welcome, Welcome, Live from the

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Speaker 7: Jones family holiday.

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Speaker 3: We are in the home.

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Speaker 7: Home station on Alie Side's place. I just stopped off

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Speaker 5: frantically googling home station. So you're near a cave and

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Speaker 5: you guys are going skiing.

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Speaker 7: Well, like every family holiday, moods are mixed out. We

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Speaker 7: had fifth yesterday, We're going to meet family for today

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Speaker 7: Okay, Like that's the gold rule of every family holiday.

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Speaker 7: Not all children in a great mood at the same time.

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Speaker 5: have you been up to Dobson.

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Speaker 3: The golden moment? Looked around?

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Speaker 6: How are you today?

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Speaker 7: Ohlicious great snow looking over trying to spot Mount cook

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Speaker 6: Brown Cafe.

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Speaker 7: Because you know, when you're on holiday you just can.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That's such a treat. An absolute and absolute treat. So

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Speaker 7: Well, there was two centimeters of fresh powder yesterday, not

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Speaker 7: of flax and ferns. There was kind of vegetation everywhere.

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Speaker 3: There was snow vegetation, snow vegetation. But a good time

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Speaker 7: The kind of the ski holiday is kind of the

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Speaker 7: privileged holiday. And where I've found in my years of

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Speaker 7: you would have been on fami holidays with what Frank

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Speaker 7: in the back and your sister.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of me and my older brother.

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Speaker 7: And the sleeping bags are told to sleep. My brother

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Speaker 7: will get kicked out of the car I was behaving

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Speaker 7: in mom, drive off and then kind of coming back.

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Speaker 3: Yes, get him back about five minutes later.

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Speaker 5: You get them just to test him out, just to.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, kick them out.

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Speaker 5: You absolutely can't just leave a child on the side

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Speaker 5: Back in the day, though, you'd always passed loan children.

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Speaker 5: I think, Oh, what's he? Why is he walking on

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Speaker 7: Totally well when you it's just the way you frame it, Jack, Really,

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Speaker 7: Hater, I'm turning half century, so we're going to have

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Speaker 5: No, that'll be wonderful.

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Speaker 7: You'll probably about forty two years from being a harvesting

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, I no closer than you think. In fact,

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Speaker 5: in six months I'll be able to say I'm turning

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Speaker 5: to say I'm turning forty next year, so I'm not

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Speaker 5: far behind you now, hater. I hope you can stop

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Speaker 5: for some I hope you can stop for some delicious

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Speaker 5: a beautiful part of the world. Hayden Jones on the

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Speaker 5: for all of your messages.

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Speaker 5: I totally agree with you about fronting up. Take the

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Speaker 5: Exactly, Jack Tame, I agree with what you said. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Sam.

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Speaker 5: Did you watch that Warriors game last night?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did. I actually I heard you before. I

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Speaker 2: don't think it was a mock on, unless at least

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Speaker 2: it was a minute. Unless it was a minute touch

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Speaker 2: so I watch it frame by frame.

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Speaker 5: Let you know, I'm never convinced of watching it frame

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Speaker 2: No, in real time, I don't think it looked like

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Speaker 2: probably academic in a way because the Warriors did not

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Speaker 2: deserve to win that game. Yes, they fought back. What

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Speaker 2: were they fourteen points down with about twenty to play?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, there was sixteen down at one point.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen down, Yeah, I thought the year was a fantastic

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Speaker 2: That young fullback had a blinder and Mitchell moses that

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Speaker 2: a team certainly to look out for next year. They

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Speaker 2: Warriors have Manly in Sydney, which is a big, big

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Speaker 2: for Manly, so they'll be pumped up. He's played three

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Speaker 2: fifty odds for them. The Broncos and Sharks are now

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Speaker 2: to win that. Sharks versus Newcastle, Yeah at home, you'd

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Speaker 5: So so worries a fourth on the on the ladder

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Speaker 5: at the moment, right, and they need the moment and

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Speaker 5: they need both of those. They need both the Broncos

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Speaker 2: And then next week the Broncos and Sharks have the

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Speaker 2: Storm and Bulldogs respectively. They're not given so there is

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Speaker 2: there is still a chance. However, they didn't look like

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Speaker 5: No, No, It's always better to try and be the

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Speaker 5: master of your own destiny in these situations, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, even if the fifth, I'll get a fifth or six.

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Speaker 2: They get a home playoff in the in the in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but hey, such sad news about Shane christ Is

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Speaker 2: And so many strands to this chat. Yes, the bottom

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Speaker 2: line is absolute tragedy. I've heard from some close to

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Speaker 2: took its toll on Shane Christy for several reasons which

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Speaker 2: I won't go into. But ye, look, compared to say

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Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years ago, there's no doubt about it that

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Speaker 2: head knocks are taken a lot more seriously, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot more education around head knocks. The Rugby Players Association

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Speaker 2: new rules and new education programs and new standown periods

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Speaker 2: after head knocks. However, there's still clearly needs to be

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Speaker 2: what grinds me is these days rugby union has just

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Speaker 2: we're being done, and good on rugby for instituting that.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing a lot more these days, so clearly that

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Speaker 2: and the clearing out at rucks where players lower their

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Speaker 2: at every ruck at every breakdown on that front, players

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Speaker 2: flying and off their feet. I think that's the key issue. Yes,

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Speaker 2: world rugby has looked at open field high tackles and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, interesting, I doubt whe.

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Speaker 2: Because players stay on their feet, players wouldn't lie on

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Speaker 2: But I can't see be going back to that.

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Speaker 5: But there's obvious answer. There's no simple solution, right, it's

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Speaker 2: It's clear if you look at the NFL, look the

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the fact that rugby is facing

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Speaker 5: This repeated things, the repeated nature as opposed to the

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: More protection around players, yes, lowering the tackle, yes, more education, yes,

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Speaker 5: and contact sports of seventy five kgs, it'll be Andrew

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Speaker 5: Martin's in the circle NPC names.

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Speaker 2: And I think no one else that I think it

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Speaker 2: thirteen years of age. Yeah, if it's not a bit

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Speaker 2: and I think that grade has really really worked. So yes,

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Speaker 5: No, it's very very tricky. Hey, quickly before we let

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Speaker 5: you shoot off black ferns. How you feel about this week?

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Speaker 5: It's a japan isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Monday morning? Remember they played at Leeden Park a few

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Speaker 2: but in the end it was a blowout, so I'd

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Speaker 2: imagine they will win comfortably. Is it midnight tomorrow night?

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Speaker 2: I think it is? Looking forward to seeing Georgia Miller again.

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Speaker 2: She's playing at six in this game, switching from seven. Gee,

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Speaker 2: she is going to be the star of that Rugby

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Speaker 5: Yeah, looking forward to that. Thank you sir. You're going

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Speaker 5: Andrew sabil Jack re transparency wheels within wheels. These days,

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Speaker 5: Some good, big, thick emails have come in this morning,

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Speaker 6: I'm saying great between.

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Speaker 5: Crack that's Georgia Lines and the guest House. Gosh, she

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Speaker 5: with Hosking this week she's confirmed she's moving over to

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Speaker 5: one to watch and yeah keep playing. Oh goodness, she's

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Speaker 5: so talent. Today, Steve says, Jack Rugby League, what a joke.

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Speaker 5: You might as well call it Ossie rules. When are

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Speaker 5: we going to get neutral refs? I think we know

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Speaker 5: where Steve's stand on the knock on call last night.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for that. Right now, it's twenty three to ten,

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Speaker 5: which means it's time to keep your movie picks for

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Speaker 5: this weekend. Francesca Rudkin is our film reviewers. She's here

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Speaker 5: this morning. Killed her.

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Speaker 11: Good morning.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let's kick things off with a movie showing in

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Speaker 5: cinemas at the moment. This is court stealing.

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Speaker 6: I've got a fly back to London.

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Speaker 3: I need you to take care of my cat.

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Speaker 6: I like doors. Hey mis rusholm ore you.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's court stealing. Tell us about a Francisca.

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Speaker 11: This is a film by Darren Aronofsky, who I really love.

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Speaker 12: He made films like Rick Creem for a Dream, Black Swan,

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Speaker 12: The whil The Wrestler, and it sounds often Butler, and

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Speaker 12: I love his performance in this film. Apparently he went

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Speaker 12: quite method. This is quite a violent, black humored crime

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Speaker 12: caper and he took a few beatings in it. But

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Speaker 12: and that's not why I love that he went method.

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Speaker 12: But he plays this very complex, flawed but likable guy.

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Speaker 11: And he's got rid of the Elvis voice, like I

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Speaker 11: felt like for a while after.

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Speaker 12: The Elvis film with Baz, but every time I saw

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Speaker 12: him he was still stuck in Elvis land. And that's

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Speaker 12: gone now and there's a different character in front of you.

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Speaker 12: And actually he's very charismatic as Hank. I also loved

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Speaker 12: the late nineties setting that resonated with me a little bit. Hank,

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Speaker 12: there's in New York he's a former baseball star, or

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Speaker 12: you could actually say he was an almost a star.

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Speaker 11: There's a bit of a backstory there.

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Speaker 12: He had a car crash when he was in high

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Speaker 12: school and that sort of ruined his chances. Anyway, he

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Speaker 12: likes his booth, he's working in a bar, he's dating

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Speaker 12: this paramedic played by Zoe Kravitz, and he's got.

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Speaker 11: This neighbor, this punk russ And played by Matt Smith.

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Speaker 12: And suddenly Russ says, I've got to go away a

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Speaker 12: family issue. Can you look after m cat And he did,

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Speaker 12: he said, yet no worries.

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Speaker 11: But then these Russians appear.

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Speaker 12: And they kind of get the feeling that Hank knows Russ,

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Speaker 12: so maybe they can help him find the money that

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Speaker 12: russo's them. And then and then suddenly some pasidic Jews

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Speaker 12: played by Lev Schreider and Vincent donoughnrio.

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Speaker 11: Also after him.

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Speaker 12: And then there's this cop played by Regina King who

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Speaker 12: comes in to try and help them out and everything.

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Speaker 12: So there is lots of happening, and this is kind

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Speaker 12: of one of those films filled with miscommunications, bad timing,

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Speaker 12: bad choices. It's got a pulpy feel to it. It's

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Speaker 12: got a Quentin Tarantino feel to it, but it doesn't.

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Speaker 11: Have the energy. It's kind of a little bit too understated.

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Speaker 11: I really enjoyed it, but the pacing didn't quite work.

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Speaker 12: And actually it's quite funny, like the moment I was going,

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Speaker 12: this is really fun, but it just didn't quite because

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Speaker 12: they weren't trying que lady. The company didn't quite land right.

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Speaker 12: So it doesn't quite hit. But there is a lot

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Speaker 12: to like about it. It put a smile on my face.

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Speaker 12: I just wish it had kind of hat.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, very good. So there's cord Stealing that is

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Speaker 5: showing in cinemas right now. Next up, something completely different.

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Speaker 5: This is on Netflix. It's called The Thursday Murder Club.

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Speaker 5: Actually is Joyce?

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Speaker 13: Are you in us?

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Speaker 6: Bang on Target?

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Speaker 14: I'm Elizabeth. Would you take a look at that for me?

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Speaker 15: Please?

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Speaker 6: God, tire's a lot of blood.

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Speaker 16: Would you care to join us to discuss things further?

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Speaker 4: Who is us?

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Speaker 16: I'm sorry, how rude of you. We're the Thursday Murder.

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Speaker 5: Club, don't dwn. That's Helen Mirren alongside Ps Brosnan, directed

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Speaker 5: by Christopher Columbus, not to be confused with the Explorer.

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Speaker 5: Tell us about the Third Club.

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Speaker 12: So this is a cool space on the best selling

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Speaker 12: books by Richard Osmond, and Richard Osmond is an absolute delight.

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Speaker 12: I've been fortunate enough to interview him, and he's a

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Speaker 12: delightful man and his books are an absolute delight. And

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Speaker 12: the cast in this film is an absolute delight, a

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Speaker 12: very impressive cast, and as you mentioned, directed by Chris Columbus,

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Speaker 12: who's done Home Alone and Harry Potter films and things.

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Speaker 12: So it feels like it would be really hard to

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Speaker 12: make a mess of this, and they don't make a

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Speaker 12: mess of it. It did have a bit of a

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Speaker 12: difficult start, this film that got caught up in the

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Speaker 12: Hollywood labor dispute, so there were some sort of personnel

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Speaker 12: changes behind the scenes, and it has gone into cinema

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Speaker 12: in some places, but here in New Zealand it is

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Speaker 12: playing on Netflix and it's really good fun. It's very likable,

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Speaker 12: which is probably what you'd expect if you've read the books.

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Speaker 11: But I actually think it could have been more.

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Speaker 12: Helen Mirren plays Elizabeth. She's a former am I six chief.

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Speaker 12: You've got Pierce Brosm's as you mentioned, he's a x

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Speaker 12: Traye unionist. Ben Kingsley joins the team. He's a retired psychiatrist,

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Speaker 12: and Senior Imri is the troll nurse that you heard

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Speaker 12: in the trailer. And they live at this rather wonderful

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Speaker 12: Cooper's Chases retirement home, a very grand, stately home. And

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Speaker 12: of course the idea is it, even if you're retired,

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Speaker 12: you're more than capable of contributing and being useful and

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Speaker 12: pushing back against sort of ageist condescension.

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Speaker 11: I think you.

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Speaker 12: Need to engage with the suspension of disbelief with this

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Speaker 12: film Jack the retirement Village. The retirement village happens to

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Speaker 12: be owned by three kind of wanted known criminal gang leaders.

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Speaker 5: It's is probably the first stretch you hit.

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Speaker 12: But look, there's the lovely twists and turns. I mean,

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Speaker 12: this cast has the comedic timing down pat so there's

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Speaker 12: lots of lovely life.

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Speaker 11: Halenh Murrin at one point even sort of dresses.

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Speaker 12: Up like the Queen, and of course she was she was,

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Speaker 12: she played the Queen in a film. But I think

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Speaker 12: if there was a little bit more depth to some

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Speaker 12: of these characters, that would have helped sort of a

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Speaker 12: little bit more internal life with them would have contributed

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Speaker 12: to drawing us in but you can't go wrong with it.

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Speaker 11: Jonathan Price also starts David Tennant bridget E Grant. I

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Speaker 11: mean the cast is absolutely fantastic, so it's very pleasant

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Speaker 11: and good.

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Speaker 5: Fuck nice, nothing wrong with that too. Okay, Now that

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Speaker 5: is the Thursday Murder Club that's streaming on Netflix. Secncy

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Speaker 5: Court stealing Francisca's first film pick for us this week

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Speaker 5: in Cinemas. We'll make sure all of the information about

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Speaker 5: those movies are up on the news talks. He'd be

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Speaker 5: website and we will talking him very soon, Thank you, Francisca.

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Speaker 5: After the break on News Talks, he'd be. We're going

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Speaker 5: to catch up with our cook, we said her a

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Speaker 5: bit of a challenge this week, Nicki Weiks. We said,

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Speaker 5: is there a delicious leftover that is best eaten cold?

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Speaker 5: And I mean like pizza is the obvious one, yeah,

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Speaker 5: but one that you're making at home. Is there a

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Speaker 5: delicious leftover that you could make a we some something

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Speaker 5: for dinner and then just make enough for lunch the

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Speaker 5: next day, even if you're not going to have access

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Speaker 5: to a microwave or any way to keep it up.

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Speaker 5: So she's got her response for us. She's up to

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Speaker 5: the challenge, of course, and she's going to share that

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Speaker 5: recipe in a couple of minutes sixteen to ten.

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning, with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 1: the weekend news talks.

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Speaker 5: They'd be fourteen to ten on news talks, he'd be,

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Speaker 5: don't forget if those film picks weren't enough to whit

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Speaker 5: your appetite, or perhaps you've watched them both already and

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Speaker 5: you're feeling like a weekend on the couch, no drama.

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Speaker 5: After ten o'clock this morning, we've got our screen time pick.

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Speaker 5: So every week on Newstalks, he'd be, we get our

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Speaker 5: screen time expert to recommend three shows that are streaming

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Speaker 5: on all the streaming platforms are on tally, and she

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Speaker 5: shares them with us just after ten o'clock. Three fantastic

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Speaker 5: shows to share in this week's screen time, So stick

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Speaker 5: around for that. Right now, though, time to catch up

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Speaker 5: with our cook. Nikki Wicks is here this morning.

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Speaker 3: Kilder.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, good morning, Oh you, christ.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, you've stolen my heart. You've

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Speaker 5: stolen my heart from the three this morning. So you're

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Speaker 5: there for word, are you?

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Speaker 18: I'm there for words.

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Speaker 17: The Beautiful Writers Festival it's on down here. I had

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Speaker 17: both of my events last night, so now I get

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Speaker 17: to relaxed, be free and go and listen to other

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Speaker 17: great writers, which is fantastic bluebird day down here. So

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Speaker 17: just after this, I'm off out to Sumner for a

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Speaker 17: for a wake up swim.

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Speaker 5: Ah, look at you. You never miss a day, do you?

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Speaker 5: Good for you? It's so impressive. I mean it's always

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Speaker 5: a bluebird day. But did you crush it? Did you

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Speaker 5: absolutely crush it?

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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 17: Of course I was sabulous. I was older panel with

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Speaker 17: absolutely fabulous other woman and one gentleman and two different events.

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Speaker 17: I did well, I did, we did. And now, of

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Speaker 17: course I've got that thing where you feel like you're

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Speaker 17: just so ordinary.

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Speaker 5: And a better job. Oh no, no, no, I'm sure

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Speaker 5: you're amazing.

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Speaker 18: No, it was fun.

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Speaker 7: It was great.

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Speaker 5: Are you into leftovers?

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Speaker 17: Look a little bit. I who works from home, so

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Speaker 17: I get to cook lunch if I need to. But

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Speaker 17: I really understand that people are often off to the

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Speaker 17: office on a you know, five five days a week,

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Speaker 17: and so therefore cooking something the night before it's great

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Speaker 17: if you can cook a little bit more and take

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Speaker 17: it into the office. Yeah, it's economic it's probably hell

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Speaker 17: see for you and that sort of thing. Do you

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Speaker 17: love a leftover?

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Speaker 5: It depends on the leftover, to be perfectly honest, But

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Speaker 5: no that, but sometimes, you know, like a cold like

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Speaker 5: cold pizza obviously, what a web obviously?

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Speaker 1: What ad I know?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it It depends a little bit on the leftovers,

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Speaker 5: I think. But you have a.

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Speaker 17: Great cold roast potatoes, yea, put a squeeze of lemon

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Speaker 17: juice over them. Cold pastas can be fantastic. But if

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Speaker 17: you're just making a little bit of extra pasta and

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Speaker 17: you can steer anything through them, loosen them up with

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Speaker 17: a bit more olive oil and a bit of lemon

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Speaker 17: juice is great. You know a lot of cultures actually

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Speaker 17: do infect eat their food at room temperature. We've got

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Speaker 17: this thing about everything needing to be piping hot, which

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Speaker 17: is crazy. But look, I've got to quit sober noodles recipe,

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Speaker 17: and this is great hot and cold. So what I

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Speaker 17: love to do is always cook a bit more of

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Speaker 17: the sober noodles when I'm making it for dinner. I'm

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Speaker 17: serving this with salmon and its sober noodles are those

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Speaker 17: they've got, but they're made primarily with buckwheat a little

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Speaker 17: bit if you get a flour in there. So in

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Speaker 17: a pot you cook up your sober noodles the sous too,

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Speaker 17: so once for dinner next day, you've got left over

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Speaker 17: about one hundred and sixty grams of dried sober noodles,

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Speaker 17: which is about half a packet of them, and put

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Speaker 17: those in some well salted boiling water. As soon as

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Speaker 17: it comes to the boiled, time it for five minutes.

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Speaker 17: That's what I tend to do. Most of them seem

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Speaker 17: to work out just that's the exact right amount that

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Speaker 17: you need to cook them for this recipe. Drain them

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Speaker 17: off with some under cold water, and then use that

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Speaker 17: same pot that you cook the noodles in to bring

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Speaker 17: some stock. I use about two to three cups of

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Speaker 17: mix that up into a liquid or one of those

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Speaker 17: gels Continentals gels. So you've got your stock on a

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Speaker 17: rapid simmer. And then what I do is add in

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Speaker 17: the cooked noodles, so they're going to do a little

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Speaker 17: bit more cooking. And I've taken about one fifty to

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Speaker 17: two hundred grams of cubed salmon, beautiful fresh salmon so good.

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Speaker 17: Two to three stalks of broccolini, half a couple of

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Speaker 17: sort of snow peas that i've generally half length was

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Speaker 17: you could use animamae beans, the shelled ones would be fine.

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Speaker 17: A good teaspoon of sesame or that's what really gives

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Speaker 17: it the kecker I reckon and some of that off,

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Speaker 17: just until you know the vegetables and the salmon are

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Speaker 14: Really the cold dish.

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Speaker 17: Is really understanding minutes sermon and bowls with a sprinkle

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Speaker 17: of sesame seeds, maybe a nice weach of lemon squeeze

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Speaker 17: and lime, something like that, bit of salt to season it,

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Speaker 17: perhaps a bit of ginger grated ginger on there, perhaps

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Speaker 17: a bit of chili, perhaps a bit of soy sauce.

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Speaker 12: And what I love is the next day just as

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Speaker 12: good cold, in fact, particularly.

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Speaker 17: Good quite chilled. So some of those other things are

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Speaker 17: like a pizza when it's cold, but it's not got

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Speaker 17: the fridge on it, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 17: I like to bring them up a little bit to

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Speaker 17: that room temperature. So you know, I mean, this one's

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Speaker 17: a beautiful pop.

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Speaker 19: It in a little tubbleware.

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Speaker 17: I don't know tublewhar is a thing anymore. And great

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Speaker 17: it means you don't have to run off and use

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Speaker 17: the you know, the office or the factory or the whatever.

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Speaker 17: Microwave is usually in a dire state.

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Speaker 5: Totally, to be honest, Yeah, yeah, no, I think it

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Speaker 5: sounds amazing. It sounds and you're just a little bit

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Speaker 5: of yeah, like a little bit of lemon over the

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Speaker 5: top or something freshens it up the next day away

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Speaker 5: you go, yeah.

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Speaker 17: Bring everything to the next day. Does to deal with leftovers?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, very good. Yeah, okay, well that's a perfect one.

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Speaker 5: I reckon if you've got a quick, easy dinner at home,

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Speaker 5: you want something for the next day as well, little thought. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: thank you so much, Nicki. We will make sure that's

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Speaker 5: sober noodle and salmon recipe is up on the news

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Speaker 5: talks he'd be website. You enjoy being in christ Church

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Speaker 5: and we'll catch you next week.

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Speaker 17: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: That is NICKI works like, oh hey look at this.

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Speaker 5: Here you go, hey Jack. NICKI more than crushed it

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Speaker 5: at her word events last night. She was absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 5: Well that there you go, and I can check the number.

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Speaker 5: NICKI didn't manage to text us that text at the

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Speaker 5: same time as she was speaking with us, so we

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Speaker 5: know that it's legit. Thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 5: Like I say, the recipes on the website. Actually, everything

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Speaker 1: with Jack dam News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 5: Felicity knows video Jack, a little drizzle of chili oil

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Speaker 5: chili crisp to really pep up your leftover sober or

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Speaker 5: a rice bowl at lunch time will make all the difference. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I reckon, I'm with you on that one. Actually see

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Speaker 5: it nowadays in the office. You see people like bringing

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Speaker 5: a little bit of katai fire or whatever, a little

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Speaker 5: bit of chili oil if they want to shures up

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Speaker 5: there lunch. Thank you for that, Felicity. After treen o'clock

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Speaker 5: this morning, we are going to be talking with our

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Speaker 5: resident doctor about the most common mineral deficiency in the world.

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Speaker 5: So what do you reckon it is? It's iron it

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Speaker 5: kind of makes sense for I feel like everyone in

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Speaker 5: our life struggles with this and struggles with iron deficiency,

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Speaker 5: and people have like it can be incredibly debilitating when

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Speaker 5: you're when you're low on iron obviously very very low energy.

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Speaker 5: But there are a couple of different treatments for iron

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Speaker 5: deficiencies these days, so you can have the pills, but

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Speaker 5: you can also have in some cases like an entire

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Speaker 5: So anyway, our resident doctor is going to be in

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Speaker 5: to talk about iron deficiency, the signs that you might

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Speaker 5: be experiencing an iron deficiency and what you can do

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Speaker 5: about it. And of course, right after the ten o'clock

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Speaker 5: news this morning, the grand Dame of crime fiction, Linda

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Speaker 5: la Plant is going to be with us. She is

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Speaker 5: one of these wonderful characters in the literature, in the

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Speaker 5: literature world, so she has won a Bafter, she's won

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Speaker 5: two Emmys. She is of course the creator of Prime Suspect,

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Speaker 5: that amazing series with Helen Mirren back in the day.

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Speaker 5: But she's actually got all sorts of other accolades to

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Speaker 5: her bow. So I was looking it up when I

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Speaker 5: was preparing for the interview. She's an obe Yep, ain't

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Speaker 5: no thing. Don't worry about that. But she's also been

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Speaker 5: a ward it an honorary fellowship of the Forensic Science Society,

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Speaker 5: because she's kind of taught herself forensic science in preparing

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Speaker 5: for all of her stories. So anyway, she's got a

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Speaker 5: brand new book. The book is called Scene of the

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Speaker 5: Crime Classic Lindela Plant. So she's going to be with

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Speaker 5: us right after the news that is just coming up

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Speaker 5: to ten o'clock though he is next. It's Saturday morning.

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Speaker 5: I'm Jack Taye.

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Speaker 20: This is news Dog Zedvy.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: Jam You've talked the.

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Speaker 5: Linda la Plant is the queen of crime fiction. She

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Speaker 5: has fifty novels Yep, you heard there, write fifty novels

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Speaker 5: to her name. She's the creator of hit shows like

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Speaker 5: Prime Suspect, Widows and Above Suspicion, and that there are

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Speaker 5: women on TV solving crimes at all is arguably down

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Speaker 5: to Linda, who's always placed determined and compelling heroines center stage.

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Speaker 5: Her latest novel, Scene of the Crime, introduces us to

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Speaker 5: a new lead detective CSI Jessica Russell as she investigates

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Speaker 5: a case that is not quite what it seems. The

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Speaker 5: incredible Linde la Plant is with us this morning. Kilder,

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Speaker 5: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: We are so delighted to be speaking with you because

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Speaker 5: you are an extraordinary storyteller. It's curious, though, I think

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Speaker 5: you've penned more than more than fifty books now and

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Speaker 5: with all the stories you've told over the years, you

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Speaker 5: have for us a new lead character. Tell us about

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Speaker 5: scene of the crime and Detective Jessica Russell.

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Speaker 16: Well, you know, it's quite difficult when you actually are

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Speaker 16: slightly pressurized to bring in a new character and even

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Speaker 16: more slightly pressurized to make her a woman. And you know,

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Speaker 16: I get sick to death of people saying you only

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Speaker 16: write strong women, because I don't only write strong women.

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Speaker 16: I write a lot of fabulous men. But anyway, what

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Speaker 16: happens will I do this podcast you see, which is

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Speaker 16: called Listening to the Dead, and it's me meeting all

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Speaker 16: the top forensic scientists, anyone connected to crime. And one

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Speaker 16: and her name is Patricia wiltsher.

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Speaker 15: She's very quiet, sort of to describe her, she really

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Speaker 15: does look like a very very pleasant aunt, very very

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Speaker 16: She is lethal. This woman. I mean, she is a

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Speaker 16: botanist and has been called in to some of the

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Speaker 16: most horrific murders. And I'll give you an example of

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Speaker 16: this little quiet voice when she said one murder was

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Speaker 16: very interesting because they didn't know where the body had

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Speaker 16: god that has an air apple and a pear tree.

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Speaker 16: The other thing too, you will find two not large

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Speaker 16: small bonfires, one using barbecue coals, another one with sticks.

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Speaker 16: And my god, they found exactly that location. I mean,

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Speaker 16: it was exactly as she'd described. And then she went

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Speaker 16: on telling me more and more, and every scientist I

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Speaker 16: met that had I mean their abilities were blood or

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Speaker 16: I've seen fingerprinting on every single crime show. They're always

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Speaker 16: out with the duster, but the specific ones that how

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Speaker 16: they find them in very strange places and matching, and

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Speaker 16: they're all top, top scientists. So I thought, what in

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Speaker 16: a murder you could get all these scienceists together as

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Speaker 16: a team, because if you need a blood analysis to

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Speaker 16: who's using a six inch blade, but he's very large,

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Speaker 16: he's over six foot. They can describe in detail what

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Speaker 16: if you could get them, But mostly they're always very busy,

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Speaker 16: before one is available, particularly somebody as brilliant as the botanist.

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Speaker 16: And so I thought, what if you had a specific

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Speaker 16: called them in asap. Together they form a unit. So

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Speaker 16: that's the basis of the scene of the crime.

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Speaker 5: I have a unit.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 16: At the head of that unit, I have Jessica. She's

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Speaker 16: not particularly People say, is she a bit like Jane Tennyson? No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 16: she's not. What is she really like. She's actually a

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Speaker 16: difficult customer. I don't think you particularly warmed to her immediately.

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Speaker 16: She's very tough, very sharp witted. And then things like

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Speaker 16: when you're writing and kind of giving birth to a

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Speaker 16: new character, you grab hold of things that happen. And

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Speaker 16: one of the women that I was interviewing on this

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Speaker 16: podcast has an ability she is a looksmith. She can

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Speaker 16: literally tell you what tools were used to open the

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Speaker 16: door and lock. And she had the most amazing laugh.

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Speaker 16: She was very very serious with her tools, at her

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Speaker 16: roared with this big gutter and I said, oh, I'm

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Speaker 16: going to use that. Jessica's got that laugh off. Gradually,

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Speaker 16: bit by bit, you build up. And so Jessica has

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Speaker 16: arrived and she's unusual. She's I mean mid thirties because

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Speaker 16: she's very experienced. She's a criminologist, psychologist, you name it.

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Speaker 16: She's done it, got it. But she is not a

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Speaker 16: police officer. She can't make an arrest. So these scientists

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Speaker 16: come together and give clues, one clue after another, and

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Speaker 16: it's some of it is so surprising because it's forensic

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Speaker 16: or forensic detail, and they film when they're working when

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Speaker 16: they're brought into a murder inquiry. And this one is

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Speaker 16: a particularly horrific one because the victim is beaten to

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Speaker 16: a huge knife stuck at his back and he's like,

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Speaker 16: is he going to live? How long has he got?

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Speaker 16: Is in a coma? What can we find and the

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Speaker 16: it's the awareness of how fast they can move through

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Speaker 16: a chrime scene and say to the police, this is

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Speaker 16: what you're looking for, and that's the key to the

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Speaker 16: scene of crime. I can go home now.

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Speaker 5: I feel like everyone listening to this right now is

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Speaker 5: going to be online furiously trying to buy the book immediately.

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Speaker 5: And you've sold us completely. You know, you are quite

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Speaker 5: an extraordinary researcher, and over the years for your books,

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Speaker 5: you have interviewed mafia bosses, violent criminal, serial killers sometimes,

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Speaker 5: so I'm interested in this process and preps through this podcast.

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Speaker 5: You know you are able to describe it to us.

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Speaker 5: When you're interviewing people, are you looking for a kind

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Speaker 5: of psychological analysis so you understand them? Or why are

869
00:47:06,613 --> 00:47:10,613
Speaker 5: you looking for those little details? Be it a guttural

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Speaker 5: laugh with these you know, a woman with these fine tools,

871
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Speaker 5: what what are you looking for?

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Speaker 16: Information? Information? Information? And actually, over and over again, I

873
00:47:22,013 --> 00:47:26,053
Speaker 16: keep saying to writers you should listen, because I'm asking

874
00:47:26,693 --> 00:47:30,413
Speaker 16: what every writer wants to know. How fast can you

875
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Speaker 16: get a result on this? And it's like, you know,

876
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Speaker 16: one person, he's a geologist, but he's a soil expert.

877
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Speaker 16: So when people are brought out to a crime and

878
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Speaker 16: can remove some soil from a car wheel and tell

879
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Speaker 16: you exactly where it's come from. Sam the footprint expert,

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Speaker 16: I mean what he can tell from a footprint. This

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Speaker 16: is a you know we always see on all these

882
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:02,733
Speaker 16: crime show there's a footprint. The next minute they say,

883
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Speaker 16: take a cast of that, take a cost of that.

884
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Speaker 16: Then you see them typically in the why alabasteria to

885
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Speaker 16: get it. Then you see them looking at the cast.

886
00:48:10,733 --> 00:48:15,293
Speaker 16: This man is so observant and is so well trained.

887
00:48:15,773 --> 00:48:18,853
Speaker 16: He can look at never mind getting the plaster cast ready,

888
00:48:19,133 --> 00:48:21,293
Speaker 16: he can look at the print and say, you're looking

889
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Speaker 16: for an Adidas, you want a size ten. Now, what

890
00:48:25,013 --> 00:48:28,253
Speaker 16: is interesting about this print is the where on the

891
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Speaker 16: right hand side of the foot you're looking at somebody

892
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Speaker 16: has a distinct rolling walk and you're go, really, really

893
00:48:38,133 --> 00:48:42,293
Speaker 16: from a mark footprint. But that is how fast they work.

894
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Speaker 16: But there's all so experienced and they need very little

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Speaker 16: encouragement to begin to explain, and they are riveting. I mean,

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Speaker 16: I'm just absolutely a gog. When again the botanist again,

897
00:48:59,973 --> 00:49:03,333
Speaker 16: you know what she can say from looking where a

898
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Speaker 16: body is, and she can tell from the position of

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Speaker 16: grass if it was dragged, walked on how long it

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Speaker 16: has been there by the way the grass is leaning,

901
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Speaker 16: and you know, this is amazing. One murder, one murder.

902
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Speaker 16: She actually was another point, she said, this murder was

903
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Speaker 16: not in this area, and you had detectives thumping around,

904
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Speaker 16: you know, and the ribbons are up, and she said, no,

905
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Speaker 16: there was an oak tree leaf under the body and

906
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Speaker 16: it must have been on the body. And there are

907
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Speaker 16: no oak trees in that area. They had to go

908
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Speaker 16: to find an oak tree with a leaf that would

909
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Speaker 16: be in the same condition as the one under the.

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Speaker 5: Things like that, you go, what so, yeah, you said

911
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Speaker 5: London that you you felt pressurized to have a strong

912
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Speaker 5: fing male character. You felt pressurized to get the story out.

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Speaker 5: I mean you have, I mean done more than almost

914
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Speaker 5: any modern author to elevate strong female characters. Why do

915
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Speaker 5: you feel pressurized?

916
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Speaker 16: So publishers, you know, and it's they always use that expression.

917
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Speaker 16: It's what the public want, whether they want it or not.

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Speaker 16: I don't know, I don't think so they don't mind.

919
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Speaker 16: And you know right now, because every time my book

920
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Speaker 16: comes out, it's like it's gone from me. It went

921
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Speaker 16: away six seven months ago to get the cover.

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Speaker 5: Of you of course, to.

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Speaker 16: Edit all that, So in the interim, I'm already writing

924
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Speaker 16: something else, and it's it's very very difficult because the

925
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Speaker 16: one I'm writing now is really tough for me because

926
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Speaker 16: it's the end of a character and a character I loved,

927
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Speaker 16: same name as you, Jack, and that is very very difficult.

928
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Speaker 16: And it's truthfully, you know, one is kind of not

929
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Speaker 16: allowed to really work the way you would like to work.

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Speaker 16: Your publishers will tell you time up, knock this character off.

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Speaker 11: What's something new?

932
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Speaker 16: It's quite People keep saying to me, why do you

933
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Speaker 16: keep right here? Your worker get commission? That's why you

934
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Speaker 16: know you've got to get a commission to ride?

935
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Londa. Honestly, it is such a pleasure. We

936
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Speaker 5: could listen to you all day. Thank you so much

937
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Speaker 5: for giving us your time. Congratulations on the scene of

938
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Speaker 5: the crime. We're never going to be calling for you

939
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Speaker 5: to retire or anything like that. We just every story

940
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Speaker 5: you do as yet another blessing.

941
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Speaker 16: So thank you, Thank you, Jack, Thank you very much.

942
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Speaker 5: That is Linda Laplant. Her new book is seen at

943
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Speaker 5: the crime and all the details are on the news

944
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Speaker 5: talks they'd be website. You're with jactame on news Talks.

945
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Speaker 5: He'd be this Saturday morning before eleven o'clock. Our texpert

946
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Speaker 5: is in and in the US, they're having so many

947
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Speaker 5: issues with nine to one one that they've decided to

948
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Speaker 5: turn to AI. So they've had understaffing problems. Right people

949
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Speaker 5: have been calling the emergency emergency line trying to get

950
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Speaker 5: police or fire or ambulance or whatever, and there've been

951
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Speaker 5: lots of pranks. There have been lots of people accidentally calling,

952
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Speaker 5: so they've turned to AI to try and filter out

953
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Speaker 5: the real calls from the dummy ones. Anyway, he's going

954
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Speaker 5: to explain how that is working or isn't working when

955
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Speaker 5: he joins us very shortly, Plus, our resident doctor will

956
00:52:46,973 --> 00:52:49,853
Speaker 5: be in. He's talking iron deficiency this week, how to

957
00:52:49,853 --> 00:52:52,213
Speaker 5: know when you have it and what to do if

958
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Speaker 5: iron deficiency is making you feel incredibly run down. Next up, though,

959
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Speaker 5: three fantastic shows in our screen time segment for watching

960
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Speaker 5: or streaming at home. Twenty past ten year with Jack

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Speaker 5: Tame This is Newstalk's they'd be.

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Speaker 1: All We Get off the Right Way Saturday morning with

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Speaker 1: Jack Daim News.

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Speaker 6: Talks at me Ah.

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Speaker 5: Jack loved that interview with Linda Laplant. What an inspiration

966
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Speaker 5: and at eighty two, A fantastic lady, Bob, says Jack.

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Speaker 5: For the first time a missing link between author and

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Speaker 5: reader has shown up. Now I have a real personality

969
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Speaker 5: to add to all the stories. Thank you, Thank you, Bob.

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Speaker 5: Ninety two ninety two. If you want to send us

971
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Speaker 5: a text this morning, jackinewsbalksb dot co dot m debt

972
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Speaker 5: is the email address. It's twenty three past ten, which

973
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Speaker 5: means it's Brah. Screen Time Time Tara Reward is our

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Speaker 5: screen time expert. Every week she brings in three shows

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Speaker 5: for watching or streaming at home. Goldatarakelder, Good morning. Let's begin,

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Speaker 5: how with the show streaming on TVNZ plus. Tell us

977
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Speaker 5: about Atomic.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, this is the first of three action packed dramas

979
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Speaker 21: that I'm talking about today. This is Atomic. It's a

980
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Speaker 21: British drama that takes place in the North African desert

981
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Speaker 21: and it's about an English drug smuggler who is trying

982
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Speaker 21: to get to beirute. He meets a man called Jay.

983
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Speaker 21: They are forced to team up and become partners in crime,

984
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Speaker 21: and Max's intended trip to deliver the drugs goes off track.

985
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Speaker 21: They end up smuggling uranium across the Middle East. While

986
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Speaker 21: trying to avoid being caught by a CIA agent and

987
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Speaker 21: lots of other people who are after them as well,

988
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Speaker 21: and they have to make this decision do they save

989
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Speaker 21: themselves or do they stop the delivery of the uranium.

990
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Speaker 21: And this is a wild ride from the opening seconds

991
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Speaker 21: of the show. This drama starts as it means to

992
00:54:36,213 --> 00:54:39,813
Speaker 21: go on. It's action packed, it's violent, and it throws

993
00:54:39,853 --> 00:54:41,333
Speaker 21: a lot at you to start wife, but it's got

994
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Speaker 21: some great energy and humor as well. And it's the

995
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Speaker 21: kind of show where you're never quite sure who is

996
00:54:47,173 --> 00:54:50,253
Speaker 21: good and who is bad. The two main characters are

997
00:54:50,293 --> 00:54:53,573
Speaker 21: anti heroes. I wouldn't necessarily trust them with anything, and

998
00:54:53,653 --> 00:54:56,573
Speaker 21: yet they have this huge kind of moral decision to make.

999
00:54:57,453 --> 00:54:59,773
Speaker 21: But this has lots of twists and turns, lots of

1000
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Speaker 21: beautiful scenery and a great cast Alfie Allen, Chazzad Latif

1001
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Speaker 21: and Samara Wiley Starr in this. And I kind of

1002
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Speaker 21: came to this not really knowing what to expect, but

1003
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Speaker 21: really enjoyed it great.

1004
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Speaker 5: It sounds like a but that's atomic Yes on TVNZ

1005
00:55:11,973 --> 00:55:15,653
Speaker 5: plus on Neon tell Us about King and Conqueror.

1006
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: If you're a fan of shows like Vikings, or The

1008
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Speaker 21: Last Kingdom or Game of Thrones. I think you'll also

1009
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Speaker 21: like King and Conqueror. This is a new historical drama

1010
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Speaker 21: starring James Norton and Juliet Stevenson, and it's about the

1011
00:55:29,013 --> 00:55:31,773
Speaker 21: lead up to the Battle of Hastings in ten sixty

1012
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Speaker 21: six and all the politics and power plays that were

1013
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Speaker 21: going on between the English and the Normans before the battles.

1014
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Speaker 21: So it's about the different families and all the characters

1015
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Speaker 21: who are vying for power, but it's particularly about two men,

1016
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Speaker 21: the Norman King William and England's King Harold, who both

1017
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Speaker 21: have to navigate all sorts of threats and power plays

1018
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Speaker 21: to get to where they are and who are destined

1019
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Speaker 21: to meet and fight it out on the battlefield. I

1020
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Speaker 21: don't know how historically accurate this show is. My guess.

1021
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Speaker 21: The vibe I get from it is that they've been

1022
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Speaker 21: quite loose the facts. It doesn't have the attention to

1023
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Speaker 21: historical detail of something like wolf Hall, so just adjust

1024
00:56:12,533 --> 00:56:15,813
Speaker 21: your expectations going into this. It is a bit slow

1025
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Speaker 21: to start with. Lots of the scenes are filmed in

1026
00:56:18,693 --> 00:56:21,213
Speaker 21: really low light, which I know can annoy a lot

1027
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Speaker 21: of people. But if you love historical drama that will

1028
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Speaker 21: transport you to another time and place and you can

1029
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Speaker 21: look past the modern day dialogue and things like that.

1030
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Speaker 11: This is definitely worth checking out.

1031
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Speaker 5: Okay, that's King and Conqueror. It's on Neon and on Netflix. Hostage.

1032
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Speaker 21: Yeah, Hostage came out on Netflix recently and went straight

1033
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Speaker 21: away to being the most number one most watch show

1034
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Speaker 21: here in New Zealand. This is a political thriller stars

1035
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Speaker 21: Saran Jones, who's been in shows like Vigill and Doctor Foster.

1036
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Speaker 21: She plays the British Prime Minister and she has a

1037
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Speaker 21: difficult decision to make when her husband is kidnapped and

1038
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Speaker 21: held hostage. Does she resign from the job and give

1039
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Speaker 21: the terrorists what they want or does she try and

1040
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Speaker 21: find out who is targeting her and her family and

1041
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Speaker 21: work out if it's an inside job.

1042
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Speaker 6: Excuse me.

1043
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Speaker 21: And at the same time as the kidnapping, the PM

1044
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Speaker 21: is hosting the right wing French president who's played by

1045
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Speaker 21: Julie Delby, who is facing her own political dramas behind

1046
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Speaker 21: the scenes. So there's a lot bubbling away here. Blackmail, corruption, murder,

1047
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Speaker 21: scandal and again, I really enjoyed this one. It's very

1048
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Speaker 21: much a Netflix thriller. So it's fast paced, lots of surprises,

1049
00:57:29,573 --> 00:57:31,813
Speaker 21: a bit over the top, a bit silly at times,

1050
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Speaker 21: but they really nail those dramatic end of episode cliffhangers

1051
00:57:35,973 --> 00:57:38,813
Speaker 21: that just keep your watching, keep you hopped into the

1052
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Speaker 21: next episode. This is just, you know, great entertainment. It's

1053
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Speaker 21: very bingeable, strong performances and a lot of fun.

1054
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Speaker 5: Excellent. Okay, that sounds great. That's Hostage. It's on Netflix.

1055
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Speaker 5: Have you seen, speaking of vigil, have you seen series

1056
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Speaker 5: two of the Julia?

1057
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Speaker 21: I know what I don't think I have?

1058
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Speaker 5: Is that available? Can we watch series two in New

1059
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Speaker 5: zeal I?

1060
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Speaker 21: Serious one was on TVZ plus.

1061
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, to see if we can find it?

1062
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Speaker 22: Yeah.

1063
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Speaker 21: I do wonder how they were top that first season

1064
00:58:10,613 --> 00:58:12,333
Speaker 21: with the submarine and you know, where do you go

1065
00:58:12,373 --> 00:58:12,733
Speaker 21: from there?

1066
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Speaker 5: It was very very good, wasn't it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So maybe, yeah, I think I noticed. There you go.

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Speaker 5: It's on TVs plus. Fantastic. Okay, that could be a

1070
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Speaker 5: bit of me. Hey, I don't know if you've been

1071
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Speaker 5: watching it, but I have really been getting into task

1072
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Speaker 5: Master this season. Yes, it's just such a good cast.

1073
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Speaker 5: This New Zealand series is such a good cast, like

1074
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Speaker 5: an almost perfect cast. I would say, so, yeah, yeah,

1075
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Speaker 5: that's my recommendation too. I'll add to your list.

1076
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Speaker 21: I agree, And it's it's so lovely just to have

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Speaker 21: something kind of silly and just fun to watch silly.

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Speaker 5: And creator and yeah, yeah it is, and they're all

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Speaker 5: sort of the cast will kind of compliment each other.

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Speaker 5: I just think it's stupendous. So if if you feel

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Speaker 5: like a bit of escapis a bit of a laugh midweek,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to add Taskmaster to your list this week.

1083
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Tara. So those shows once again.

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00:59:01,253 --> 00:59:04,373
Speaker 5: Hostage is on Netflix, King and Conqueror is on Neon.

1085
00:59:04,493 --> 00:59:07,613
Speaker 5: In that first show, Tara talked about the one with Them,

1086
00:59:08,053 --> 00:59:11,413
Speaker 5: the British action thriller about the guys who are smuggling

1087
00:59:11,733 --> 00:59:15,373
Speaker 5: uranium is on tv Z Plus and that one's called Atomic.

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Speaker 5: All of those shows will be on the news Talks website,

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Speaker 5: of course. Thank you for your feedback, Jack. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: That interview was brilliant with Linda la Platt. I really

1091
00:59:22,653 --> 00:59:25,653
Speaker 5: appreciated you letting her tell her story. Fabulous and interview,

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00:59:25,693 --> 00:59:29,693
Speaker 5: Jack jam packed listening value. Listening to Linda talk about

1093
00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:34,253
Speaker 5: her writing is utterly thrilling, pun intendencies and very good.

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Speaker 5: She does she does just you know, the moment she

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00:59:36,933 --> 00:59:38,933
Speaker 5: said good morning, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going

1096
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Speaker 5: to love this. I'm going to really enjoy speaking with Linda.

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Speaker 5: So thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it as well.

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Speaker 5: It's ten thirty on News Talks.

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Speaker 4: He'd be.

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Speaker 6: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News talksb.

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Speaker 22: An expert and Dying Film. Well, you can't let go,

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Speaker 22: you can't let go, you can't stop Carie.

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Speaker 9: Why this is the best you see an indie rock superstars.

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Speaker 5: They've kind of cracked the formula for perfectly crafted power pop,

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01:00:32,773 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 5: insanely catchy guitar tunes, and conversational yet reflective lyrics. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there's definitely that kind of conversational element. Ah, like I'm

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01:00:41,533 --> 01:00:44,413
Speaker 5: singing a song, but I'm also talking to you. In

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, you might remember Barack Obama included them

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Speaker 5: in his summer playlist hell of an endorsement. Last year,

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Speaker 5: they played at Coachella, and then this year. This week,

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Speaker 5: the Bests released their fourth album, So the album's called

1113
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Speaker 5: straight Line was a lie. Our music reviewer Estelle has

1114
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Speaker 5: had her ears to it. We're gonna play you a

1115
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Speaker 5: couple of songs for mid day. Today, we're going to

1116
01:01:07,493 --> 01:01:10,653
Speaker 5: catch up with the stelle get Her thoughts on the album.

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Speaker 5: I see where the Beths are heading to next, so

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Speaker 5: very much looking forward to that. Before eleven o'clock, Route

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Speaker 5: Climb passes in the garden for us, as he is

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Speaker 5: every week describing his garden to us and counting down

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Speaker 5: the days to the end of winter. Next up, our

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Speaker 5: texpert is in with the ways in which they're using

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Speaker 5: AI to deal with a problem on the nine to

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Speaker 5: one one emergency line twenty five to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking

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Speaker 1: breakfast too.

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Speaker 10: In New Zealand, who came to the company results party

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Speaker 10: yesterday with one hundred and twenty six million net profit

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Speaker 10: which is down thirteen point seven percent. There is a

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Speaker 10: five percent increase in the affairs coming as well. Greg

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Speaker 10: Furan is of course the chief executive, and a great

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Speaker 10: question around the economy. Do you see the pickup.

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Speaker 23: It will happen, I would say to you, just at

1134
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Speaker 23: the moment, it's still pretty hard going. Government passenger numbers

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01:01:56,653 --> 01:01:59,613
Speaker 23: are down ten percent, corporate numbers are down five percent

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Speaker 23: on same time last year.

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Speaker 6: But that will change.

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Speaker 23: I'd hope that by now it would be picking up

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01:02:04,093 --> 01:02:06,013
Speaker 23: as I'm sure everyone did, but it isn't.

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Speaker 10: But it is just yet and you've written off the

1141
01:02:07,893 --> 01:02:09,733
Speaker 10: rest of the year. Heaven, you cannot completely, but you're

1142
01:02:09,773 --> 01:02:10,173
Speaker 10: not bullied.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, certainly for us through to Christmas.

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Speaker 10: Back Monday from six am the mic Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 10: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk zb SO.

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Speaker 5: In the US nine one one callers come up with

1147
01:02:21,893 --> 01:02:25,413
Speaker 5: some very serious issues, sometimes come up with I faced

1148
01:02:25,413 --> 01:02:27,853
Speaker 5: with some really serious issues sometimes and other times they

1149
01:02:27,853 --> 01:02:31,613
Speaker 5: do come up with really silly things. Anyway, people working

1150
01:02:31,613 --> 01:02:33,773
Speaker 5: in nine one one call centers have been totally swept

1151
01:02:33,813 --> 01:02:35,893
Speaker 5: off their feet, and so they've come up with a

1152
01:02:35,933 --> 01:02:39,053
Speaker 5: new solution to try and wade through some of the

1153
01:02:39,293 --> 01:02:42,693
Speaker 5: slop they end up facing. And of course it's AI.

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01:02:43,133 --> 01:02:45,373
Speaker 5: Our texpert Paul Steinhouse is here with the details. How

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Speaker 5: are they using AI?

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01:02:46,413 --> 01:02:48,853
Speaker 24: Paul, Yeah, you took the line from me as they

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01:02:48,853 --> 01:02:51,973
Speaker 24: can you guess how in twenty twenty five it's gotta

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01:02:52,053 --> 01:02:52,573
Speaker 24: be AI.

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Speaker 14: They're using it jack to help triage. So I assume

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01:02:58,173 --> 01:03:01,213
Speaker 14: that when you ring nine one one and you.

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Speaker 24: End up at one of these call centers that has

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Speaker 24: the AI, it's going to ask you why your calling,

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01:03:07,653 --> 01:03:11,133
Speaker 24: and then it will use its own knowledge is apparently

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01:03:11,173 --> 01:03:13,813
Speaker 24: it's been trained on emergency calls.

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01:03:14,453 --> 01:03:17,053
Speaker 14: It probably has some real world knowledge of things as well,

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01:03:17,773 --> 01:03:21,053
Speaker 14: and if it sounds urgent, it's going to straight over

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01:03:21,093 --> 01:03:23,813
Speaker 14: to a person. But if you're ringing up about something

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01:03:23,973 --> 01:03:25,813
Speaker 14: like a noise complaint.

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Speaker 24: Or that you've lost your wallet or you know, the

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Speaker 24: cat stuck up in the tree, then it's probably going

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01:03:32,973 --> 01:03:34,653
Speaker 24: to send you down a different.

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Speaker 14: Part that deprioritize you. In fact, it can even like

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Speaker 14: actually fill in one of.

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Speaker 24: The reports for you. It will help you do that,

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01:03:41,853 --> 01:03:45,053
Speaker 24: you know, as a conversation, and then we'll file it

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01:03:45,093 --> 01:03:46,773
Speaker 24: for you, or you can get someone to give you

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Speaker 24: a call back. But I'm just having like a thought

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01:03:50,293 --> 01:03:52,813
Speaker 24: right that. You know, when you call one on one

1179
01:03:52,853 --> 01:03:56,093
Speaker 24: in New Zealand and they say police, fire, ambulance.

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Speaker 5: I'm having the same thought. I can hear yep, they do.

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01:03:57,893 --> 01:03:59,613
Speaker 5: I can hear where you're going with this, But keep going.

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Speaker 24: Can you imagine it doing the prompt like I don't

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01:04:02,613 --> 01:04:03,533
Speaker 24: quite understand.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. Yeah, ah, my ass

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01:04:07,933 --> 01:04:10,333
Speaker 5: is on fire. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: Jack.

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Speaker 5: Please please repeat your centers. I didn't quite catch that,

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01:04:15,853 --> 01:04:20,733
Speaker 5: just opera operator. Yeah, I mean I suppose if if

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01:04:20,813 --> 01:04:23,973
Speaker 5: it's better or as good as understanding as a person

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01:04:24,013 --> 01:04:26,253
Speaker 5: would be, because they must get all sorts of people

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01:04:26,253 --> 01:04:29,493
Speaker 5: and all sorts of frantic situations who are struggling to communicate.

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Speaker 5: You know. If if it's as good as a person,

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01:04:31,573 --> 01:04:33,693
Speaker 5: then great, I'm all for it. If it's not as

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01:04:33,693 --> 01:04:37,573
Speaker 5: good as a person, then that could be well pretty tricky.

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Speaker 24: Here's the thing, right these it's being deployed at some

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Speaker 24: of these really small because eh County, I think over

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01:04:43,933 --> 01:04:45,053
Speaker 24: here it has their own one.

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Speaker 5: One, one course system classic of course.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I know, I love it, and so terribly funded,

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01:04:51,853 --> 01:04:55,093
Speaker 24: totally overworked. So your call may not even be answered.

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01:04:54,973 --> 01:04:57,293
Speaker 14: Right, That's the reality is that if your call doesn't

1202
01:04:57,293 --> 01:04:58,573
Speaker 14: get that, you may not get answered.

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Speaker 5: So would you prefer to talk.

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01:04:59,493 --> 01:05:01,813
Speaker 14: To an aar yes who may get it right? Or

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01:05:01,893 --> 01:05:02,893
Speaker 14: talk to no one?

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01:05:03,173 --> 01:05:03,533
Speaker 18: Probably?

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01:05:03,653 --> 01:05:06,133
Speaker 5: Why not something? If that's the binary, then I'm going

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Speaker 5: to go thank you.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, well that's what they said too, right. They said

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Speaker 14: this as a pitch. They're like, we aren't replacing jobs.

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Speaker 24: We are literally putting the AI into jobs we cannot

1212
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Speaker 24: fill because these people are overworked, they're doing overtime.

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Speaker 14: It's like, okay, that's probably a good use of AI.

1214
01:05:20,653 --> 01:05:23,773
Speaker 5: So tell us about Uncaged, this new company that says

1215
01:05:23,813 --> 01:05:27,893
Speaker 5: they can make a durable, animal climate friendly material that

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01:05:28,133 --> 01:05:31,093
Speaker 5: feels and even smells like leather.

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Speaker 14: I know, isn't that crazy? Or when you get into

1218
01:05:34,453 --> 01:05:35,853
Speaker 14: when you get into a car.

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Speaker 24: And it's got that new car smell with the leather,

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Speaker 24: that's to me just a fantastic smell.

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Speaker 5: It is amazing. How do you feel about leather seats though?

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Speaker 5: In a car? I don't mind leather seats, see, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm generally pro leather seats, except that you just want

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01:05:51,293 --> 01:05:53,053
Speaker 5: to make sure that that your conditioning in the car

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01:05:53,173 --> 01:05:56,453
Speaker 5: is really good. Because if you're all sweaty and then

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Speaker 5: you're sort of peeling yourself off the seat, that's obviously

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Speaker 5: not Red Peasant.

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Speaker 14: You're driving the wrong cars, Jack Tame.

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Speaker 24: You can even get cars these days that will cool

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Speaker 24: your seat for you.

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Speaker 5: Oh, can you get seat coolers as well as.

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Speaker 24: He Yeah, you just have to get the right options package.

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01:06:11,613 --> 01:06:11,813
Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: A seat cooler Yeah?

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01:06:13,693 --> 01:06:13,893
Speaker 20: Yeah?

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01:06:13,933 --> 01:06:14,653
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:06:14,813 --> 01:06:15,373
Speaker 5: Is that weird?

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01:06:15,933 --> 01:06:16,093
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Blows like air and stuff through it.

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01:06:17,813 --> 01:06:20,693
Speaker 5: Anyway, they have got into the air.

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01:06:21,773 --> 01:06:23,533
Speaker 24: I think, like up and through it and keep it

1242
01:06:23,613 --> 01:06:26,613
Speaker 24: up and through what unless someone's completely been lying to me,

1243
01:06:26,693 --> 01:06:31,013
Speaker 24: But I believe we can cool your too.

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01:06:31,053 --> 01:06:31,253
Speaker 20: Shit.

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01:06:31,373 --> 01:06:33,733
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, wow, I know that.

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01:06:34,253 --> 01:06:34,693
Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 24: They've got a client on the list. You may not

1248
01:06:38,133 --> 01:06:41,133
Speaker 24: heard of it, Jaguar Land Rover. They have just recently

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01:06:41,133 --> 01:06:42,413
Speaker 24: partnered with Hayundai.

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Speaker 14: They're going to be testing it.

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01:06:43,853 --> 01:06:47,933
Speaker 24: Out for their cars and trucks too. It's it's crazy

1252
01:06:47,933 --> 01:06:50,013
Speaker 24: how much leather they use in some of these cars.

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01:06:50,693 --> 01:06:53,693
Speaker 24: They said it can be between two and fourteen cow

1254
01:06:53,813 --> 01:06:56,693
Speaker 24: hides to dick out the interior. So I guess, depending

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Speaker 24: on which premium package you pick, if you've got all

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Speaker 24: your seats and all your sides and things, you have

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Speaker 24: fourteen cows there. So you can imagine like, hey, if

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Speaker 24: we can do without that sounds like it's a good thing.

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Speaker 24: They say they can deliver a carbon footprint ninety five

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Speaker 24: percent lower than that of leather, but their big concern

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Speaker 24: is around how durable it is, and their concern is

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01:07:17,653 --> 01:07:21,133
Speaker 24: around how it handles heat. And so one of the

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01:07:21,133 --> 01:07:23,333
Speaker 24: things that they mentioned about this test that they're doing

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01:07:23,413 --> 01:07:25,893
Speaker 24: is they're putting it in super hot temperatures for five

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01:07:25,973 --> 01:07:29,413
Speaker 24: hundred hours to make sure that it actually stands up

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01:07:29,893 --> 01:07:32,213
Speaker 24: to you know, every day use or your car sitting

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01:07:32,293 --> 01:07:34,413
Speaker 24: there for a few days in the hot sun, and

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Speaker 24: it doesn't just sort of melt away because it is

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01:07:36,893 --> 01:07:38,933
Speaker 24: a problem. And I don't know if you were a

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01:07:38,973 --> 01:07:43,013
Speaker 24: person that had an Apple iPhone leather case, but they

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01:07:43,053 --> 01:07:44,813
Speaker 24: got they did away with them, and they changed into

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01:07:44,933 --> 01:07:47,733
Speaker 24: this synthetic material they call fine.

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Speaker 14: Woven, right, and they talked it up, said it.

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Speaker 24: Was going to be amazing, and it just was terrible.

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01:07:53,973 --> 01:07:56,173
Speaker 24: It didn't hold up, and they've had to discontinue it. Right,

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Speaker 24: So leather is so durable, it's just not quite so

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Speaker 24: friendly for the cows.

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Speaker 5: Okay, well that sounds some. Yeah, it sounds very interesting.

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01:08:05,653 --> 01:08:07,213
Speaker 5: I'll be fascinat to see how it all kind of

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01:08:07,213 --> 01:08:10,053
Speaker 5: works out. I cares fascinating too about these seat caelers

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Speaker 5: you're telling us about. Paul, Thank you very much for

1282
01:08:13,453 --> 01:08:15,933
Speaker 5: Steinhouse bringing you all the tech news you need on

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01:08:15,973 --> 01:08:18,133
Speaker 5: news Talks, there'd be It's seventeen to eleven.

1284
01:08:19,093 --> 01:08:22,413
Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

1285
01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:26,253
Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk.

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Speaker 5: Said Morning Jack, my seven year old car has seat

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01:08:30,693 --> 01:08:33,053
Speaker 5: callers very effective after the gym or on a summer's day.

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01:08:33,093 --> 01:08:35,373
Speaker 5: Not a new thing. There you go. See this is

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01:08:35,413 --> 01:08:37,133
Speaker 5: you can tell that I don't drive a cool car,

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01:08:37,293 --> 01:08:41,173
Speaker 5: can't you? Well? Literally as a zing do they use

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01:08:41,213 --> 01:08:43,453
Speaker 5: that it's like a refrigerant or is it just a

1292
01:08:43,493 --> 01:08:46,773
Speaker 5: fan situation? Look, I'm all ears, I'm learning something this morning.

1293
01:08:47,253 --> 01:08:49,413
Speaker 5: Time to catch up with our resident doctor, Doctor Brian

1294
01:08:49,413 --> 01:08:52,173
Speaker 5: Biddy is in with us this morning. Cal to Brian, Oh,

1295
01:08:52,293 --> 01:08:53,973
Speaker 5: cure Jack, did you have a seat cooler?

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01:08:55,013 --> 01:08:58,013
Speaker 6: And you no, I don't No, absolutely not no, no, no,

1297
01:08:58,413 --> 01:09:00,493
Speaker 6: no you And I've got to see I've got to

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01:09:00,533 --> 01:09:01,853
Speaker 6: seek warmer, so.

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01:09:02,293 --> 01:09:06,253
Speaker 5: Right totally, yeah, you go. Hey, anyway, we're talking mine

1300
01:09:06,373 --> 01:09:10,293
Speaker 5: efficiency this morning. This is something that affects so many people,

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01:09:10,333 --> 01:09:15,253
Speaker 5: the most common mineral deficiency worldwide. Why is iron so

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01:09:15,333 --> 01:09:16,253
Speaker 5: important in the body.

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01:09:17,253 --> 01:09:19,853
Speaker 25: Look, it's really important for making red blood cells in

1304
01:09:19,853 --> 01:09:23,293
Speaker 25: our blood. Now, these carry oxygen from our lungs around

1305
01:09:23,293 --> 01:09:26,213
Speaker 25: our body, so very very important. So if we don't

1306
01:09:26,213 --> 01:09:28,773
Speaker 25: have enough iron in our body, we don't produce enough

1307
01:09:28,813 --> 01:09:33,453
Speaker 25: red blood cells and we develop something called iron deficiency anemia,

1308
01:09:33,813 --> 01:09:37,933
Speaker 25: and that causes all sorts of problems. Also very important

1309
01:09:37,933 --> 01:09:41,293
Speaker 25: for the immune system, and growth and development and children.

1310
01:09:41,373 --> 01:09:43,813
Speaker 25: So a number of really really important functions for iron.

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01:09:44,133 --> 01:09:46,533
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, how does it affect us if we don't

1312
01:09:46,613 --> 01:09:47,773
Speaker 5: have enough iron on board?

1313
01:09:48,693 --> 01:09:51,933
Speaker 25: Look, whole range of symptoms. However, the commonest thing we

1314
01:09:51,973 --> 01:09:55,693
Speaker 25: do see in practice is someone presents feeling tired or

1315
01:09:55,693 --> 01:09:58,653
Speaker 25: fatigued or just run down, or may even comment that

1316
01:09:58,653 --> 01:10:02,773
Speaker 25: they look pale or just light. There can be other

1317
01:10:03,053 --> 01:10:06,893
Speaker 25: other symptoms such as headaches, feeling shorter breath, and very

1318
01:10:06,893 --> 01:10:11,813
Speaker 25: interesting things like hair loss or brittle nails, are racing hard,

1319
01:10:11,893 --> 01:10:14,533
Speaker 25: or sometimes just feeling really really cold or just feeling

1320
01:10:14,533 --> 01:10:17,973
Speaker 25: the cold. So yeah, there's a range of very very

1321
01:10:17,973 --> 01:10:23,013
Speaker 25: different symptoms that can occur with with iron deficiency anemia.

1322
01:10:22,653 --> 01:10:24,093
Speaker 5: And what causes it to happen.

1323
01:10:25,173 --> 01:10:28,733
Speaker 25: Look, there's three major causes. One, you can get blood

1324
01:10:28,773 --> 01:10:32,333
Speaker 25: loss over time. So probably the commonest cause we do

1325
01:10:32,373 --> 01:10:36,013
Speaker 25: see in practice is heavy period bleeding. So that's heavy

1326
01:10:36,093 --> 01:10:40,093
Speaker 25: menstrual bleeding and woman and that's very very common. Sometimes

1327
01:10:40,093 --> 01:10:42,573
Speaker 25: it can be very hidden blood loss causes such as

1328
01:10:42,613 --> 01:10:44,733
Speaker 25: bleeding from the gut, and this can indicate a more

1329
01:10:44,813 --> 01:10:48,933
Speaker 25: serious problem like bowel cancer for instance, and that needs

1330
01:10:48,973 --> 01:10:49,973
Speaker 25: to be investigated.

1331
01:10:50,613 --> 01:10:50,773
Speaker 3: Now.

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01:10:50,813 --> 01:10:53,253
Speaker 25: The other one big one is not eating enough iron

1333
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:56,093
Speaker 25: in our diet. Now, this is especially an issue if

1334
01:10:56,093 --> 01:11:00,613
Speaker 25: you're vegan or vegetarian because obviously iron comes in red meat,

1335
01:11:00,893 --> 01:11:02,773
Speaker 25: it also comes in chicken and fish, so if you're

1336
01:11:02,813 --> 01:11:06,173
Speaker 25: not eating those, you can develop iron deficiency and in

1337
01:11:06,173 --> 01:11:09,493
Speaker 25: the net and interestingly, it can be an issue for children.

1338
01:11:10,013 --> 01:11:13,773
Speaker 25: So if you breastfeed exclusively, breastfeed for too long and

1339
01:11:13,853 --> 01:11:17,373
Speaker 25: don't introduce solids around four to six months, children can

1340
01:11:17,413 --> 01:11:21,933
Speaker 25: become iron defficient, anemia, become iron deficient, and that's because

1341
01:11:21,933 --> 01:11:24,933
Speaker 25: there's not much iron and breast milk. So that's the

1342
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:27,173
Speaker 25: other thing we take note of. And the third one

1343
01:11:27,213 --> 01:11:30,973
Speaker 25: is mal of what we call malabsorption, so not absorbing

1344
01:11:31,093 --> 01:11:34,613
Speaker 25: enough iron through the stomach and probably bariatric surgery with

1345
01:11:34,693 --> 01:11:38,093
Speaker 25: weight losses becoming more common. So yeah, people who have

1346
01:11:38,253 --> 01:11:41,413
Speaker 25: bariatric surgery have to take iron supplements to make sure

1347
01:11:41,453 --> 01:11:42,413
Speaker 25: they're getting enough iron.

1348
01:11:42,533 --> 01:11:44,853
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So what can we do about it apart

1349
01:11:44,853 --> 01:11:46,853
Speaker 5: from just eating lots more spinach and steak.

1350
01:11:47,853 --> 01:11:50,013
Speaker 6: Yeah, So look, really really important.

1351
01:11:50,013 --> 01:11:53,173
Speaker 25: Look, if you're feeling very tired, run down, and you're

1352
01:11:53,173 --> 01:11:55,413
Speaker 25: just not feeling quite right, make sure you do see

1353
01:11:55,453 --> 01:11:58,093
Speaker 25: your GP for a very simple blood test that we

1354
01:11:58,173 --> 01:12:01,493
Speaker 25: do that says, look, you don't have enough iron on board. Now,

1355
01:12:01,533 --> 01:12:05,053
Speaker 25: if there's an underlying cause like causing the blood loss,

1356
01:12:05,133 --> 01:12:08,373
Speaker 25: such as the heavy pairs or we're worried about bleeding

1357
01:12:08,373 --> 01:12:11,213
Speaker 25: from the vowel, we investigate that and treat that to

1358
01:12:11,253 --> 01:12:17,133
Speaker 25: stop the iron loss. But obviously diet's incredibly important. So look,

1359
01:12:17,573 --> 01:12:21,413
Speaker 25: you know meat, fish, chicken, very very important source of iron.

1360
01:12:21,813 --> 01:12:24,253
Speaker 25: But if you are vegan or vegetarian, make sure you

1361
01:12:24,253 --> 01:12:26,373
Speaker 25: adjust your diets. You need to have lots of green

1362
01:12:26,493 --> 01:12:31,013
Speaker 25: leafy vegetables, nuts and seeds and fruit. So vitamin C

1363
01:12:31,173 --> 01:12:35,333
Speaker 25: is very important for iron absorption, so having fruit with

1364
01:12:35,373 --> 01:12:38,533
Speaker 25: your meals becomes very important. And a little trick here

1365
01:12:38,613 --> 01:12:41,773
Speaker 25: is you have to be careful with tannins in coffee

1366
01:12:41,893 --> 01:12:45,493
Speaker 25: or tea because they actually stop iron bean absorbed.

1367
01:12:45,133 --> 01:12:48,373
Speaker 6: So you need to be careful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:12:48,413 --> 01:12:51,613
Speaker 25: So sometimes look, sometimes regardless of that, you do need

1369
01:12:51,693 --> 01:12:55,133
Speaker 25: iron supplements to boost your iron. An occasion you need

1370
01:12:55,133 --> 01:12:58,653
Speaker 25: what's called iron infusion, where we infuse iron directly into

1371
01:12:58,653 --> 01:13:02,093
Speaker 25: the veins to back up and to build up your

1372
01:13:02,133 --> 01:13:06,333
Speaker 25: iron stores. But baseline is, look, if you're concerned s GEP,

1373
01:13:06,453 --> 01:13:08,733
Speaker 25: he get a simple blood test and start to get

1374
01:13:08,733 --> 01:13:09,573
Speaker 25: it treated.

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01:13:09,693 --> 01:13:12,253
Speaker 5: Yeah right, I'm sure she won't mind me saying this.

1376
01:13:12,373 --> 01:13:14,373
Speaker 5: But my wife when she was that she you know,

1377
01:13:14,493 --> 01:13:18,373
Speaker 5: has has low iron sometimes, and when she was pregnant,

1378
01:13:18,933 --> 01:13:22,253
Speaker 5: she went in and got an iron transfusion and or

1379
01:13:22,373 --> 01:13:27,173
Speaker 5: infusion I suppose, And my god, it made a difference,

1380
01:13:27,853 --> 01:13:31,813
Speaker 5: Like it was night and day. It was like she

1381
01:13:31,893 --> 01:13:35,133
Speaker 5: suddenly felt like she needed three hours of sleep less

1382
01:13:35,213 --> 01:13:37,693
Speaker 5: every day and she still had more energy. Like it

1383
01:13:37,813 --> 01:13:41,413
Speaker 5: was really just remarkable to see how a mineral deficiency

1384
01:13:41,493 --> 01:13:44,173
Speaker 5: like that could fundamentally change her day to day life.

1385
01:13:44,213 --> 01:13:49,413
Speaker 5: Like it really was just crazy, so extreme end of

1386
01:13:49,413 --> 01:13:52,053
Speaker 5: the treatments, but yeah, yeah, it's they feel.

1387
01:13:51,853 --> 01:13:54,253
Speaker 25: So much better once they treat the iron deficiency. And

1388
01:13:54,613 --> 01:13:58,453
Speaker 25: pre and pregnancy is important because there's so much more

1389
01:13:58,613 --> 01:14:01,373
Speaker 25: demands on iron and the body with growing the baby

1390
01:14:01,413 --> 01:14:04,653
Speaker 25: inside the uterus that iron deficiency can actually be a

1391
01:14:04,653 --> 01:14:08,013
Speaker 25: problem pregnancy as well, so important to treat it because

1392
01:14:08,013 --> 01:14:10,413
Speaker 25: it's so important for the development of the fetus and

1393
01:14:10,493 --> 01:14:11,293
Speaker 25: the baby.

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01:14:11,333 --> 01:14:13,653
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you so much, appreciate your time. Brian. Dr

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01:14:13,653 --> 01:14:15,693
Speaker 5: Brian Biddy with us this morning. Here you go. Turns up,

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01:14:15,693 --> 01:14:17,773
Speaker 5: Brian and I have the wrong card. Jack, both my

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01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:21,013
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen tomorrow and my twenty twenty one Silverado have

1398
01:14:21,093 --> 01:14:24,133
Speaker 5: heated and cooled front seats, Thank you very much. Nine

1399
01:14:24,133 --> 01:14:26,653
Speaker 5: to eleven on News Dogs, he'd be gardening.

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01:14:26,773 --> 01:14:30,213
Speaker 1: We're still sharp dollars off selected still tools for dad.

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01:14:30,413 --> 01:14:30,613
Speaker 18: Rude.

1402
01:14:30,653 --> 01:14:32,413
Speaker 5: Time passes our man in the garden.

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01:14:32,493 --> 01:14:35,373
Speaker 18: Good morning, sir, Good morning, And I am in the

1404
01:14:35,413 --> 01:14:38,493
Speaker 18: garden because it's it's getting into September.

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01:14:38,653 --> 01:14:39,853
Speaker 3: I know, I know that, won't you.

1406
01:14:39,973 --> 01:14:42,493
Speaker 5: So what is the date? How many how many days? Hours,

1407
01:14:42,573 --> 01:14:44,773
Speaker 5: minute seconds do we have to go into We're justly.

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01:14:46,053 --> 01:14:48,093
Speaker 18: I'm not going to do that because nobody listens to

1409
01:14:48,133 --> 01:14:48,613
Speaker 18: me anymore.

1410
01:14:48,813 --> 01:14:50,613
Speaker 5: Know I always listen to you. That's why I have

1411
01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:51,893
Speaker 5: to check with you when you winners.

1412
01:14:51,893 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 18: It it's probably diff I haven't looked. Actually, I think

1413
01:14:56,053 --> 01:14:58,453
Speaker 18: it's the twenty first of September. Oh that's all I

1414
01:14:58,493 --> 01:15:00,893
Speaker 18: can tell you at this stage. But the point is

1415
01:15:01,053 --> 01:15:05,573
Speaker 18: it's it's been actually quite a strange winter because we

1416
01:15:05,653 --> 01:15:08,133
Speaker 18: had twenty degre easy christis a couple of days that

1417
01:15:08,253 --> 01:15:12,093
Speaker 18: was quite something. Yes twenty twenty one, yesterday twenty one

1418
01:15:12,373 --> 01:15:15,493
Speaker 18: unbelievable anyway. But the point is now is the time

1419
01:15:15,533 --> 01:15:17,453
Speaker 18: to actually start looking at what you want to plant

1420
01:15:17,493 --> 01:15:20,293
Speaker 18: for the next springtime. So I thought, I put that

1421
01:15:20,373 --> 01:15:22,453
Speaker 18: this is actually a good time to actually get your

1422
01:15:22,453 --> 01:15:25,853
Speaker 18: stuff together. So the cool thing is what we quite

1423
01:15:25,893 --> 01:15:28,853
Speaker 18: often do. We get the King's Seed catalog. We don't

1424
01:15:28,853 --> 01:15:31,933
Speaker 18: get one, we get two because all they all know

1425
01:15:32,053 --> 01:15:36,093
Speaker 18: that Julie wants her catalog and I want mine, and

1426
01:15:36,133 --> 01:15:39,093
Speaker 18: I do the tomatoes and the food delicacy, and Julie

1427
01:15:39,133 --> 01:15:40,213
Speaker 18: does all the pretty stuff.

1428
01:15:40,253 --> 01:15:43,813
Speaker 5: You know, I'm with you, but maybe it's a hunter

1429
01:15:43,813 --> 01:15:47,493
Speaker 5: together thing. You know, I like and I like stuff

1430
01:15:47,493 --> 01:15:51,493
Speaker 5: you can eat.

1431
01:15:49,733 --> 01:15:50,333
Speaker 6: So do I.

1432
01:15:50,493 --> 01:15:53,693
Speaker 18: And there's what I say that I always choose the

1433
01:15:53,733 --> 01:15:59,253
Speaker 18: plant species that close to our heart, art and our stomach.

1434
01:16:00,173 --> 01:16:03,773
Speaker 18: And if you think you go so Tomato, I'll start

1435
01:16:03,813 --> 01:16:07,213
Speaker 18: off with tomatoes because it's my king. So there's a

1436
01:16:07,253 --> 01:16:09,893
Speaker 18: whole lot actually, but you don't have to. You can

1437
01:16:10,133 --> 01:16:14,533
Speaker 18: look it up online and of course on the website.

1438
01:16:14,973 --> 01:16:18,133
Speaker 18: But Tomato said, I'm looking at this bloody butcher tigerrella

1439
01:16:18,253 --> 01:16:22,533
Speaker 18: and cherry tomatoes, which are quite common things. But maybe

1440
01:16:22,573 --> 01:16:26,253
Speaker 18: you remember that last March we talked about the Gardener's Delight,

1441
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:28,893
Speaker 18: which was the thing that I got from a guy

1442
01:16:28,933 --> 01:16:32,533
Speaker 18: in Tiana, flear of mine. Tiana, which is a really

1443
01:16:32,653 --> 01:16:38,333
Speaker 18: lovely large cherry tomato if you like. So I found

1444
01:16:38,333 --> 01:16:40,213
Speaker 18: it and I'm going to plant it now because I

1445
01:16:40,293 --> 01:16:42,653
Speaker 18: gave you some seeds. I gave some other people some seeds.

1446
01:16:42,813 --> 01:16:46,613
Speaker 18: Now it's the time to start doing that. Okay, there's

1447
01:16:46,693 --> 01:16:49,293
Speaker 18: number one. There's also a black crem and Tessalonike that

1448
01:16:49,373 --> 01:16:52,413
Speaker 18: I like, especially tessaloni Key because my builder, the guy

1449
01:16:52,453 --> 01:16:54,973
Speaker 18: that always does all my work, he's a wonderful scotsman.

1450
01:16:55,373 --> 01:16:58,493
Speaker 18: He loves Tessalonik for some reason. Then, so I always

1451
01:16:58,533 --> 01:17:01,253
Speaker 18: have a couple of those for him as payment. That's

1452
01:17:01,253 --> 01:17:05,413
Speaker 18: how it works. I'm also doing sugar baby watermelon because

1453
01:17:05,453 --> 01:17:08,413
Speaker 18: I haven't had those for a long time and they

1454
01:17:08,453 --> 01:17:11,253
Speaker 18: are brilliant and you can you can really grow those

1455
01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:13,493
Speaker 18: in Auckland very well too, by the way, So have

1456
01:17:13,533 --> 01:17:18,093
Speaker 18: a go if you're like nice, incredibly sweet sugar baby watermelons.

1457
01:17:18,453 --> 01:17:23,053
Speaker 18: Beautiful thing, right, And then Julie goes. Of course, she

1458
01:17:23,173 --> 01:17:27,773
Speaker 18: started interfering with by tomatoes. She wanted some Brandy wines

1459
01:17:27,813 --> 01:17:31,413
Speaker 18: and some Kelek's Breakfast tomatoes. There you go, hello, Then

1460
01:17:31,693 --> 01:17:34,773
Speaker 18: tomatoes tomatoes that's the name of it.

1461
01:17:34,973 --> 01:17:36,533
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, it's amazing.

1462
01:17:37,053 --> 01:17:39,733
Speaker 18: So she does all this sort of nonsense, and then

1463
01:17:39,773 --> 01:17:41,733
Speaker 18: she goes to all these strange things like she wants

1464
01:17:41,773 --> 01:17:43,653
Speaker 18: to grow ornamental bananas.

1465
01:17:43,973 --> 01:17:51,613
Speaker 5: Oh okay, yes, pink one, yes, exactly exactly.

1466
01:17:51,533 --> 01:17:52,573
Speaker 6: Banana pink.

1467
01:17:52,693 --> 01:17:55,453
Speaker 18: Oh my god. Again this is the stuff. I got

1468
01:17:55,453 --> 01:17:57,813
Speaker 18: it from King Seats, but you can get it probably everywhere.

1469
01:17:58,173 --> 01:18:00,853
Speaker 18: Cosmos is another thing that she wants to do. And

1470
01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:05,133
Speaker 18: then there's zenia, and zinnia is a beautiful thing, lime

1471
01:18:05,253 --> 01:18:09,733
Speaker 18: colored folks. Look on the internet and you'll find all

1472
01:18:09,853 --> 01:18:11,693
Speaker 18: our favorite ge ish.

1473
01:18:11,973 --> 01:18:14,453
Speaker 5: Love your work, sir, Thank you so much. Rude climb

1474
01:18:14,493 --> 01:18:17,493
Speaker 5: past in the garden. The eleven o'clock News is next.

1475
01:18:18,613 --> 01:18:22,413
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through

1476
01:18:22,453 --> 01:18:23,013
Speaker 1: the weekend.

1477
01:18:23,293 --> 01:18:24,053
Speaker 6: US Talk set B.

1478
01:18:48,693 --> 01:18:51,013
Speaker 5: Good morning, if you're just joining us this morning, it

1479
01:18:51,093 --> 01:18:52,973
Speaker 5: is so good to have you with us. Jack Tame

1480
01:18:53,173 --> 01:18:55,493
Speaker 5: with you on news talks. He'd be through the midday today.

1481
01:18:55,533 --> 01:18:59,613
Speaker 5: An incredible story out of White and Upper earlier this week.

1482
01:18:59,613 --> 01:19:03,413
Speaker 5: This thing's gone global, and rightfully so. This woman was

1483
01:19:03,773 --> 01:19:07,573
Speaker 5: Giselle was in the garden doing it a weeding when

1484
01:19:07,653 --> 01:19:11,053
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, a snail fell between her fingers

1485
01:19:11,093 --> 01:19:14,093
Speaker 5: down into the dirt. And I'm incredibly impressed that she

1486
01:19:14,173 --> 01:19:15,893
Speaker 5: noticed this, because I can't say that I would have,

1487
01:19:16,053 --> 01:19:18,173
Speaker 5: but she noticed there was something just a little bit

1488
01:19:18,413 --> 01:19:21,413
Speaker 5: weird with the snail. She looked at him, and she

1489
01:19:21,533 --> 01:19:24,853
Speaker 5: realized that the snail's shell had the spiral on its

1490
01:19:24,973 --> 01:19:28,613
Speaker 5: left hand side. Now, once again, I have never thought

1491
01:19:28,653 --> 01:19:33,613
Speaker 5: about this, but apparently almost all snails have the spiral

1492
01:19:33,693 --> 01:19:36,813
Speaker 5: on the right hand side. In fact, just one in

1493
01:19:37,013 --> 01:19:40,813
Speaker 5: forty thousand snails has the spiral of their shell on

1494
01:19:40,853 --> 01:19:44,053
Speaker 5: the left hand side. It's kind of a little miracle,

1495
01:19:44,133 --> 01:19:46,813
Speaker 5: but it's kind of bad news for the snail at

1496
01:19:46,853 --> 01:19:50,333
Speaker 5: the center of this. She's named him Ned, and Ned

1497
01:19:50,853 --> 01:19:54,013
Speaker 5: is going to have a very very difficult time making

1498
01:19:54,333 --> 01:19:57,573
Speaker 5: new needs junior needs in the future because having the

1499
01:19:57,613 --> 01:19:59,733
Speaker 5: spiral on the left hand side means that he can't

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01:19:59,933 --> 01:20:02,853
Speaker 5: mate with snails who have their spiral on the right

1501
01:20:02,853 --> 01:20:06,533
Speaker 5: hand side. So now they have launched a global campaign

1502
01:20:06,733 --> 01:20:10,693
Speaker 5: to try and find Ned a mate. I'll tell you what, though,

1503
01:20:10,693 --> 01:20:12,533
Speaker 5: this whole thing has made me think. First of all,

1504
01:20:12,893 --> 01:20:16,693
Speaker 5: I had no idea that snails always had their spiral

1505
01:20:16,693 --> 01:20:20,253
Speaker 5: on the right. Second of all, the number of times

1506
01:20:20,253 --> 01:20:23,773
Speaker 5: that I've killed snails or even put out snail bait

1507
01:20:24,093 --> 01:20:28,333
Speaker 5: without thinking about this, and did you know I'm going

1508
01:20:28,413 --> 01:20:31,013
Speaker 5: to just google this now. Snails live between two and

1509
01:20:31,173 --> 01:20:34,613
Speaker 5: five years on average in the wild. So even though

1510
01:20:34,933 --> 01:20:36,693
Speaker 5: it's a bit of a race against time for poor

1511
01:20:36,733 --> 01:20:40,493
Speaker 5: old Ned, I suppose all hope is not lost like

1512
01:20:40,533 --> 01:20:44,093
Speaker 5: it is feasible, if unlikely, that we might be able

1513
01:20:44,133 --> 01:20:49,493
Speaker 5: to find Ned true love before Ned finds a sticky end. Anyway,

1514
01:20:49,533 --> 01:20:51,933
Speaker 5: amazing little story, A so good on Giselle and her

1515
01:20:51,933 --> 01:20:53,493
Speaker 5: garden and wid it up and who managed to come

1516
01:20:53,533 --> 01:20:56,173
Speaker 5: across that one and forty thousand. I mean it's basically

1517
01:20:56,173 --> 01:20:58,133
Speaker 5: loto dds, isn't it. I'll probably go with Loto over

1518
01:20:58,173 --> 01:21:01,413
Speaker 5: finding a left spiraled snail. But there you go. Before

1519
01:21:01,413 --> 01:21:03,333
Speaker 5: midday on news Talk z'd be, We're going to catch

1520
01:21:03,373 --> 01:21:05,813
Speaker 5: up with our book reviewers. She's read Manhattan Down, which

1521
01:21:05,813 --> 01:21:08,613
Speaker 5: is Michael his brand new book, plus brand new music

1522
01:21:08,653 --> 01:21:12,893
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1523
01:21:12,933 --> 01:21:15,853
Speaker 5: album out called straight Line was a Lie. So I'm

1524
01:21:15,853 --> 01:21:17,533
Speaker 5: going to make sure we save time so you can

1525
01:21:17,573 --> 01:21:19,773
Speaker 5: listen to a couple of those songs right now, though

1526
01:21:19,813 --> 01:21:21,493
Speaker 5: it has just coming up to ten past eleven.

1527
01:21:21,773 --> 01:21:23,213
Speaker 6: Jack Team trying to catch.

1528
01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:25,813
Speaker 5: Up with clindical psychologist Google Sutherland, who is all with

1529
01:21:25,933 --> 01:21:27,493
Speaker 5: us this morning, Calder Doogle.

1530
01:21:27,893 --> 01:21:30,213
Speaker 8: Cileder Jack And I'm trying to think of a segue

1531
01:21:30,293 --> 01:21:33,733
Speaker 8: between that little section about the snail and the topic

1532
01:21:33,773 --> 01:21:34,253
Speaker 8: for today.

1533
01:21:34,413 --> 01:21:37,053
Speaker 5: Well, I mean your topic for today is whether or

1534
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:38,773
Speaker 5: not pets are good for us? And I suppose that

1535
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:42,373
Speaker 5: need technically counts, doesn't heah.

1536
01:21:41,933 --> 01:21:42,573
Speaker 6: I guess you.

1537
01:21:42,773 --> 01:21:44,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure.

1538
01:21:44,413 --> 01:21:45,893
Speaker 5: Somebody some more convinced.

1539
01:21:47,413 --> 01:21:51,093
Speaker 26: I'm sure somebody gets yeah.

1540
01:21:51,133 --> 01:21:52,853
Speaker 2: You know, different strokes for different folks.

1541
01:21:52,893 --> 01:21:54,813
Speaker 5: Get a case on the job, they'll be able to

1542
01:21:54,933 --> 01:21:59,533
Speaker 5: argue that the average snail, the right the right spiral

1543
01:21:59,653 --> 01:22:01,933
Speaker 5: snail probably doesn't count as a as a pet, but

1544
01:22:01,973 --> 01:22:05,573
Speaker 5: given needs spirals on his left hand side, maybe maybe

1545
01:22:05,613 --> 01:22:08,973
Speaker 5: he doesn't. Maybe something special absolutely. But it's funny because

1546
01:22:09,213 --> 01:22:13,693
Speaker 5: the sort of the general common thought, like the mainstream

1547
01:22:13,853 --> 01:22:17,933
Speaker 5: kind of theory would I would have been, I thought

1548
01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,453
Speaker 5: that pets are good for your mental health. Having a

1549
01:22:20,453 --> 01:22:22,973
Speaker 5: pet means having a companion, it means getting outside, it

1550
01:22:23,053 --> 01:22:25,933
Speaker 5: means all sorts of good things. But you're looking at

1551
01:22:25,973 --> 01:22:29,413
Speaker 5: new research this morning that suggests the reality is a

1552
01:22:29,453 --> 01:22:30,533
Speaker 5: little more nuanced than that.

1553
01:22:31,253 --> 01:22:34,413
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think nuanced is a good word. There

1554
01:22:34,533 --> 01:22:38,253
Speaker 8: certainly is evidence to show that having a pet is

1555
01:22:38,253 --> 01:22:40,333
Speaker 8: good for your well being. There's a one of my

1556
01:22:40,413 --> 01:22:44,373
Speaker 8: favorite studies to quote, they were looking at levels of oxytocin.

1557
01:22:44,453 --> 01:22:46,893
Speaker 8: So oxytocin is the thing that makes you feel good,

1558
01:22:46,933 --> 01:22:49,093
Speaker 8: you know, if you have a positive interaction with somebody,

1559
01:22:49,133 --> 01:22:52,053
Speaker 8: and they measured it in dogs and and owners, and

1560
01:22:52,093 --> 01:22:54,253
Speaker 8: if you looked into your dog's eyes for a minute,

1561
01:22:54,973 --> 01:22:57,573
Speaker 8: then both the dog and the human got a hit

1562
01:22:57,573 --> 01:23:02,613
Speaker 8: of oxytocin. And interestingly, the comparison group for that study

1563
01:23:02,733 --> 01:23:06,173
Speaker 8: was dogs, dogs in their owners and wolves. And there

1564
01:23:06,213 --> 01:23:08,653
Speaker 8: are and people that owned wolves looked in their wolve's

1565
01:23:08,693 --> 01:23:10,453
Speaker 8: eyes for a minute and nobody got a hit of

1566
01:23:10,493 --> 01:23:14,293
Speaker 8: oxy toasting out of that one. Yeah, But so you know,

1567
01:23:14,533 --> 01:23:17,893
Speaker 8: there's certainly evidence to show that having a dog, or

1568
01:23:18,053 --> 01:23:20,133
Speaker 8: not just a dog, any sort of pet can be

1569
01:23:20,253 --> 01:23:22,733
Speaker 8: can be good for your well being. But for some

1570
01:23:22,893 --> 01:23:25,893
Speaker 8: people it's actually not. And you know, you often hear

1571
01:23:25,933 --> 01:23:28,693
Speaker 8: these terrible stories on the radio or on the news

1572
01:23:28,773 --> 01:23:31,733
Speaker 8: around you know, animals being abandoned, and it was a

1573
01:23:31,733 --> 01:23:34,173
Speaker 8: particular thing, you know, post COVID people. A lot of

1574
01:23:34,173 --> 01:23:38,133
Speaker 8: people got pets during COVID, and for some people it

1575
01:23:38,253 --> 01:23:42,653
Speaker 8: actually makes them feel worse. And so it's a really

1576
01:23:42,733 --> 01:23:45,293
Speaker 8: I think important thing to think about, particularly before you're

1577
01:23:45,293 --> 01:23:47,893
Speaker 8: getting an animal. Actually is this going to help us

1578
01:23:47,973 --> 01:23:50,613
Speaker 8: as a family or is this actually going to be

1579
01:23:50,733 --> 01:23:52,893
Speaker 8: something that in the long term isn't actually all that

1580
01:23:52,933 --> 01:23:53,613
Speaker 8: helpful for us.

1581
01:23:53,733 --> 01:23:55,853
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an intriguing aa. So so to talk to

1582
01:23:55,933 --> 01:23:58,453
Speaker 5: us a little bit more about some of those downsides

1583
01:23:58,493 --> 01:24:01,453
Speaker 5: and what and what people perhaps hadn't anticipated, because obviously

1584
01:24:01,493 --> 01:24:02,533
Speaker 5: it's a huge commitment.

1585
01:24:03,373 --> 01:24:06,013
Speaker 8: Yeah, and so that's one of them, is that sort

1586
01:24:06,053 --> 01:24:09,373
Speaker 8: of level of commitment and the financial kind of stress.

1587
01:24:09,413 --> 01:24:13,813
Speaker 8: It's another it's another mouth to feed, literally, it's another

1588
01:24:13,933 --> 01:24:15,573
Speaker 8: thing to do. You have to take them for a

1589
01:24:15,653 --> 01:24:19,813
Speaker 8: walk or exercise them if they're a dog. And obviously

1590
01:24:19,813 --> 01:24:21,653
Speaker 8: the bigger the pet, the more of this can be

1591
01:24:21,653 --> 01:24:23,213
Speaker 8: a bit of a burden. You've got to think about

1592
01:24:23,253 --> 01:24:25,013
Speaker 8: what they're going to do during the day and who's

1593
01:24:25,053 --> 01:24:27,613
Speaker 8: going to look after them, So that that's a bit

1594
01:24:27,613 --> 01:24:29,413
Speaker 8: of a that's that can be a bit of a burden.

1595
01:24:30,413 --> 01:24:34,453
Speaker 8: Also are those people who have what we call insecure attachments.

1596
01:24:34,493 --> 01:24:37,413
Speaker 8: So an attachment is sort of describes the quality of

1597
01:24:37,493 --> 01:24:40,733
Speaker 8: relationship that you have with with somebody and we typically

1598
01:24:40,773 --> 01:24:45,213
Speaker 8: think about attachments as infants and their parents that that's

1599
01:24:45,253 --> 01:24:47,533
Speaker 8: the that's the sort of standard that we think about

1600
01:24:47,573 --> 01:24:49,973
Speaker 8: with attachments. But you can obviously have attachments with your

1601
01:24:50,013 --> 01:24:53,093
Speaker 8: pets as well. And there's a thing called insecure attachment,

1602
01:24:53,133 --> 01:24:57,293
Speaker 8: where the insecurity is around you know, leaving them, departing

1603
01:24:57,333 --> 01:25:00,213
Speaker 8: from them is filled with anxiety and you're not quite

1604
01:25:00,293 --> 01:25:02,173
Speaker 8: sure what's going to happen and will they be there

1605
01:25:02,213 --> 01:25:06,213
Speaker 8: when you come back. And for those people, actually having

1606
01:25:06,253 --> 01:25:10,293
Speaker 8: a pet can create almost more loneliness and a poorer

1607
01:25:10,413 --> 01:25:12,213
Speaker 8: sense of well being because you spend a lot of

1608
01:25:12,253 --> 01:25:14,693
Speaker 8: time thinking and worrying about it. Are they going to

1609
01:25:14,773 --> 01:25:15,293
Speaker 8: be okay?

1610
01:25:15,573 --> 01:25:16,733
Speaker 2: And it becomes a burden.

1611
01:25:17,013 --> 01:25:20,933
Speaker 8: Yeah, And that can be matched by animals too. Animals

1612
01:25:20,933 --> 01:25:22,973
Speaker 8: can also have that sort of attachment. And you know,

1613
01:25:23,013 --> 01:25:26,293
Speaker 8: you hear about particularly dogs that wine and yelp during

1614
01:25:26,293 --> 01:25:31,093
Speaker 8: the day because they're lonely essentially. So those are useful

1615
01:25:31,093 --> 01:25:33,933
Speaker 8: things to think about, sort of on the downside, at

1616
01:25:34,053 --> 01:25:35,533
Speaker 8: least for getting a pet.

1617
01:25:35,813 --> 01:25:39,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, So what about the upsides? What about the things

1618
01:25:39,133 --> 01:25:42,293
Speaker 5: that will know, the things you can do, the things

1619
01:25:42,293 --> 01:25:45,293
Speaker 5: you can be mindful of, the kind of dynamics that

1620
01:25:45,333 --> 01:25:48,053
Speaker 5: make pet ownership a really beneficial thing for both parties.

1621
01:25:48,893 --> 01:25:50,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think.

1622
01:25:52,413 --> 01:25:52,933
Speaker 7: Certainly.

1623
01:25:54,573 --> 01:25:55,853
Speaker 6: Well, there are a couple of things.

1624
01:25:56,013 --> 01:25:59,253
Speaker 8: So one is being sort of mindfully interacting with your pets.

1625
01:25:59,253 --> 01:26:02,333
Speaker 8: So that's sort of taking time to actually spend time

1626
01:26:02,413 --> 01:26:07,173
Speaker 8: with them and be with them and you know, just

1627
01:26:07,533 --> 01:26:10,013
Speaker 8: lay some attention on them really and whether that's active

1628
01:26:10,093 --> 01:26:13,133
Speaker 8: playing with them or patting them, petting them or taking

1629
01:26:13,133 --> 01:26:15,933
Speaker 8: them for a walk, that that can be really helpful.

1630
01:26:16,093 --> 01:26:20,013
Speaker 8: And and that's the theory behind you know, we know

1631
01:26:20,053 --> 01:26:23,653
Speaker 8: about support animals for people with various forms of disabilities,

1632
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:26,533
Speaker 8: and that's the idea about behind those is that it

1633
01:26:26,613 --> 01:26:29,613
Speaker 8: makes you feel there's a it's a sense of companionship

1634
01:26:29,613 --> 01:26:33,493
Speaker 8: and you're paying attention to that. The other interesting feature

1635
01:26:33,533 --> 01:26:35,613
Speaker 8: is that if you if you feel like you have

1636
01:26:35,693 --> 01:26:39,253
Speaker 8: sort of some sort of shared identity with your with

1637
01:26:39,293 --> 01:26:42,733
Speaker 8: your pets, then you often feel a closer relationship with them.

1638
01:26:42,813 --> 01:26:43,893
Speaker 3: And you know, we have.

1639
01:26:43,893 --> 01:26:46,973
Speaker 8: That old old adage around if you know, owners look

1640
01:26:47,053 --> 01:26:50,213
Speaker 8: like their pets, and so if you you know, if

1641
01:26:50,253 --> 01:26:52,413
Speaker 8: you look like your pet, you identify with them.

1642
01:26:52,333 --> 01:26:54,413
Speaker 2: You're probably going to get along a lot better with them.

1643
01:26:54,693 --> 01:26:58,893
Speaker 5: That's amazing saying if you look like your pet, you

1644
01:26:58,973 --> 01:26:59,653
Speaker 5: get along better.

1645
01:27:00,253 --> 01:27:02,453
Speaker 8: Well that well, you could do that, yeah, because you

1646
01:27:02,493 --> 01:27:03,533
Speaker 8: identify more with them.

1647
01:27:03,573 --> 01:27:06,613
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, they're a bit like me and I fight.

1648
01:27:06,853 --> 01:27:09,093
Speaker 26: Which is sort of interesting because I was pulling this

1649
01:27:09,213 --> 01:27:11,773
Speaker 26: together and actually one of our dogs is right at

1650
01:27:11,773 --> 01:27:14,533
Speaker 26: my feet at the moment, and we've got little miniature Snausers,

1651
01:27:14,533 --> 01:27:16,573
Speaker 26: you know, that black and white ones with the big

1652
01:27:16,613 --> 01:27:19,133
Speaker 26: eyebrows and the big I don't know quite what that

1653
01:27:19,253 --> 01:27:20,293
Speaker 26: says about me, but.

1654
01:27:22,173 --> 01:27:23,533
Speaker 3: We certainly love our dogs.

1655
01:27:23,573 --> 01:27:25,573
Speaker 8: But maybe perhaps I do.

1656
01:27:25,573 --> 01:27:26,493
Speaker 2: Look like them a little bit.

1657
01:27:26,533 --> 01:27:27,053
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

1658
01:27:27,253 --> 01:27:30,373
Speaker 5: I think you go a miniature Schnauzer over like a

1659
01:27:30,533 --> 01:27:32,933
Speaker 5: like a bulldog or a pug or something like that.

1660
01:27:33,693 --> 01:27:35,813
Speaker 8: I think so, yeah, yeah, I think that's I think

1661
01:27:35,853 --> 01:27:37,653
Speaker 8: Schnauzers more me than something like that.

1662
01:27:37,733 --> 01:27:38,453
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1663
01:27:38,493 --> 01:27:41,413
Speaker 5: Oh that is fascinating. Thank you so much. Doiggle great

1664
01:27:42,253 --> 01:27:43,853
Speaker 5: like you say, But a nuance in there, which is

1665
01:27:43,893 --> 01:27:47,693
Speaker 5: interesting and just like kind of underscores the importance of

1666
01:27:47,773 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 5: thinking very carefully before making an investment in the pete

1667
01:27:51,493 --> 01:27:55,253
Speaker 5: because yeah, some people don't find it's all cracked out

1668
01:27:55,293 --> 01:27:57,853
Speaker 5: to be Thank you so much, really appreciate it. That

1669
01:27:58,013 --> 01:28:00,453
Speaker 5: is Google Sutherlan from Umbrella Wellbeing with us this morning

1670
01:28:00,853 --> 01:28:03,333
Speaker 5: In a couple of minutes, our travel correspondent is taking

1671
01:28:03,413 --> 01:28:06,773
Speaker 5: us to Australia. He's traveling through Hamilton Iland and the

1672
01:28:06,813 --> 01:28:09,373
Speaker 5: wit Sundays, which are nice and tropical at this time

1673
01:28:09,413 --> 01:28:11,333
Speaker 5: of year. Sixteen past eleven on Newstalks.

1674
01:28:11,333 --> 01:28:14,733
Speaker 6: He'd be travel with Windy Woo Tours. Where the World

1675
01:28:14,973 --> 01:28:16,293
Speaker 6: Is yours book now.

1676
01:28:16,533 --> 01:28:19,253
Speaker 5: Mike Hardley is our travel corresponding. He's here with us today.

1677
01:28:19,293 --> 01:28:21,413
Speaker 3: Hey Mike, good morning Jack.

1678
01:28:21,453 --> 01:28:25,173
Speaker 13: I think I've discovered the definition of when spring starts.

1679
01:28:25,573 --> 01:28:28,053
Speaker 5: Ah dafidels in Hagley Park.

1680
01:28:29,173 --> 01:28:29,893
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

1681
01:28:30,373 --> 01:28:34,013
Speaker 13: Even worse than that, and ever present in Christis at

1682
01:28:34,013 --> 01:28:39,333
Speaker 13: the moment the pollen bomb in the bomb strikes the city.

1683
01:28:39,533 --> 01:28:42,253
Speaker 13: So there are so many cars around at the moment

1684
01:28:42,293 --> 01:28:44,973
Speaker 13: with like this film of yellow dust, yeah, all over

1685
01:28:45,093 --> 01:28:45,893
Speaker 13: the windscreen.

1686
01:28:46,053 --> 01:28:48,453
Speaker 3: So I think that's the sign of spring. Yeah.

1687
01:28:48,533 --> 01:28:51,013
Speaker 5: I think it's also in our house. It's just when

1688
01:28:51,053 --> 01:28:53,733
Speaker 5: my when my wife like can't sleep because her hay

1689
01:28:53,733 --> 01:28:57,333
Speaker 5: fever is so overwhelming like that this time of year

1690
01:28:57,373 --> 01:28:59,373
Speaker 5: it really starts to kick in as well, and she's

1691
01:28:59,373 --> 01:29:01,973
Speaker 5: on all of the you know, all of the hay fever.

1692
01:29:03,093 --> 01:29:04,973
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the work.

1693
01:29:04,813 --> 01:29:06,973
Speaker 5: But yeah, I know that and the with the pomen

1694
01:29:07,013 --> 01:29:11,493
Speaker 5: bomb is like it's quite Stainyyay it's up. Yeah, off

1695
01:29:11,533 --> 01:29:13,733
Speaker 5: your car, off your clothes or anything else. Yeah, that's

1696
01:29:13,773 --> 01:29:17,973
Speaker 5: a very nad Yeah, thank you. Hey, we're talking Hamilton

1697
01:29:18,013 --> 01:29:21,573
Speaker 5: Island in Sundays this morning. And Hamilton Island is unique

1698
01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:23,373
Speaker 5: in that. Isn't it family owned?

1699
01:29:24,493 --> 01:29:24,693
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1700
01:29:24,693 --> 01:29:25,013
Speaker 6: It is.

1701
01:29:25,373 --> 01:29:27,733
Speaker 13: And if you've ever fancied having a bit of a

1702
01:29:27,853 --> 01:29:31,293
Speaker 13: devil in the wit Sundays, I'd highly recommend it. I

1703
01:29:31,413 --> 01:29:33,893
Speaker 13: have just knocked it off my bucket list. It's been

1704
01:29:33,933 --> 01:29:36,973
Speaker 13: bobbing on it for quite a while. And Hamilton Island

1705
01:29:37,093 --> 01:29:40,373
Speaker 13: is quite unique because it's owned by the Oatly family.

1706
01:29:40,813 --> 01:29:43,413
Speaker 13: They made their fortune and wine. They're still quite a

1707
01:29:43,413 --> 01:29:47,253
Speaker 13: big player in the Aussie wine industry. But it's extraordinary.

1708
01:29:47,573 --> 01:29:50,333
Speaker 13: They bought it twenty years ago for two hundred million dollars.

1709
01:29:50,493 --> 01:29:52,693
Speaker 13: Would you like an island today? Yes, here's two hundred

1710
01:29:52,693 --> 01:29:56,693
Speaker 13: million dollars. They've spent as you do, they've spent half

1711
01:29:56,693 --> 01:30:00,853
Speaker 13: a billion dollars on its developments. So it's got all

1712
01:30:00,933 --> 01:30:05,413
Speaker 13: the tropical island resort feels and it's a very catering,

1713
01:30:05,453 --> 01:30:10,053
Speaker 13: embracing sort of, so there's accommodation there to suit all budgets.

1714
01:30:10,133 --> 01:30:10,333
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1715
01:30:10,413 --> 01:30:12,893
Speaker 5: Nice. Is it the best island to stay at if

1716
01:30:12,893 --> 01:30:13,853
Speaker 5: you're in the Wit Sundays?

1717
01:30:15,013 --> 01:30:15,973
Speaker 3: I think so, Jack.

1718
01:30:16,093 --> 01:30:19,973
Speaker 13: Yeah, there's only a few of the Whitsunday Islands that

1719
01:30:20,013 --> 01:30:23,693
Speaker 13: are inhabited, so Hemo as the locals call it, I

1720
01:30:23,693 --> 01:30:26,613
Speaker 13: think is a really good base because there are so

1721
01:30:26,813 --> 01:30:31,653
Speaker 13: many excursion options from Hamilton Island and it's only a

1722
01:30:31,733 --> 01:30:36,093
Speaker 13: nineteen minute direct flight onto the island from Brisbane, and

1723
01:30:36,133 --> 01:30:40,133
Speaker 13: that in itself is such a stunning visual experience as Yeah,

1724
01:30:40,133 --> 01:30:42,973
Speaker 13: you know, on final approach into the Wit Sundays and

1725
01:30:43,013 --> 01:30:46,373
Speaker 13: you see all of those islands just fanning out into

1726
01:30:46,453 --> 01:30:50,213
Speaker 13: the Coral Sea, that is just stunning. The other really

1727
01:30:50,213 --> 01:30:53,053
Speaker 13: cool thing is it's amazing here you will be mixing with.

1728
01:30:53,173 --> 01:30:55,893
Speaker 13: So there are a lists of lebs on Hamilton Island,

1729
01:30:56,213 --> 01:30:58,933
Speaker 13: lots of some loving families, lots of loved dup couples

1730
01:30:58,973 --> 01:31:03,333
Speaker 13: as you would well expect, and it's interesting a lot

1731
01:31:03,333 --> 01:31:05,573
Speaker 13: of people go for different reasons. Some just go to

1732
01:31:05,573 --> 01:31:10,173
Speaker 13: look at the candy flo sunsets, some go for the amazing.

1733
01:31:09,373 --> 01:31:11,253
Speaker 3: Culinary scene on Hamilton Island.

1734
01:31:11,533 --> 01:31:13,453
Speaker 13: Then you've got the day spars for the likes of

1735
01:31:13,533 --> 01:31:17,493
Speaker 13: Jack tame Um and of course you've got the Barrier

1736
01:31:17,533 --> 01:31:20,333
Speaker 13: Reef and all of its wondrous underwater encounters.

1737
01:31:20,453 --> 01:31:22,933
Speaker 5: So where did you do the snorkeling on the reef?

1738
01:31:23,973 --> 01:31:27,893
Speaker 13: Yeah, I went to Hardy Reef, which is part of

1739
01:31:27,933 --> 01:31:30,853
Speaker 13: the Great Barriers Outer Reef. So it was about forty

1740
01:31:31,013 --> 01:31:34,813
Speaker 13: nautical miles east of Hamilton Island and you really do

1741
01:31:34,853 --> 01:31:37,533
Speaker 13: feel like you're venturing out for a big day trip.

1742
01:31:38,373 --> 01:31:40,813
Speaker 13: I went with a company called Cruise Whit Sundays and

1743
01:31:40,853 --> 01:31:47,093
Speaker 13: they have got this extraordinary pontoon at Hardy Reefs. It's

1744
01:31:47,133 --> 01:31:51,013
Speaker 13: sort of like a sundeck, a chopper pad and an

1745
01:31:51,093 --> 01:31:57,053
Speaker 13: underwater observatory all in one structure. Yeah, it's just incredible.

1746
01:31:57,813 --> 01:32:00,733
Speaker 13: And of course the water there is like liquid cellophane.

1747
01:32:00,853 --> 01:32:03,613
Speaker 13: So after you've had your snorkel and a bit of

1748
01:32:03,653 --> 01:32:06,573
Speaker 13: time with the fish in the coral, another all some

1749
01:32:06,853 --> 01:32:10,253
Speaker 13: option is to take to the sky in a helicopter

1750
01:32:10,533 --> 01:32:14,453
Speaker 13: from that reef, Hardy Reef, And what a lot of

1751
01:32:14,453 --> 01:32:17,413
Speaker 13: people love to go and do is see from above

1752
01:32:18,213 --> 01:32:21,853
Speaker 13: Art Reef. And I'm sure you've seen Heart Reef on Instagram.

1753
01:32:21,933 --> 01:32:25,173
Speaker 13: It's one of those little winds to superstars because it

1754
01:32:25,253 --> 01:32:27,813
Speaker 13: is shaped like a love heart, so you can do

1755
01:32:27,853 --> 01:32:30,573
Speaker 13: that just on a ten minute chop a ride from

1756
01:32:30,653 --> 01:32:31,213
Speaker 13: Hardy Reef.

1757
01:32:31,333 --> 01:32:34,093
Speaker 5: Oh nice. So what about white Haven Beach?

1758
01:32:35,533 --> 01:32:40,133
Speaker 13: Yes, a very short jaunt from Hamilton Island is to

1759
01:32:40,213 --> 01:32:43,053
Speaker 13: whit Sunday Island right across the water, and that's home

1760
01:32:43,093 --> 01:32:48,693
Speaker 13: to white Haven Beach. It is blindingly beautiful. So imagine

1761
01:32:48,733 --> 01:32:56,413
Speaker 13: you've got a seven kilometer long sweep of swirling, snowy, white,

1762
01:32:56,453 --> 01:33:01,973
Speaker 13: squeaky silica sand that is white Haven Beach and it's

1763
01:33:02,133 --> 01:33:06,373
Speaker 13: edged by turquoise lagoon like water, backed by undulating rain feur.

1764
01:33:07,013 --> 01:33:08,373
Speaker 3: It really is spectacular.

1765
01:33:08,773 --> 01:33:12,333
Speaker 13: And this is where Johnny Depp shot a sequence of

1766
01:33:12,373 --> 01:33:14,893
Speaker 13: his last Pirates of the Caribbean movie, and of course

1767
01:33:14,933 --> 01:33:18,493
Speaker 13: that it was not without incident, because this is the

1768
01:33:18,533 --> 01:33:21,773
Speaker 13: notorious trip which featured the dogs Brystill and.

1769
01:33:21,853 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 5: Boo and Barnaby Joweys. Was it Barnaby and Barnaby Joyce?

1770
01:33:27,453 --> 01:33:30,973
Speaker 13: Yes, I think I think Barnaby wanted those dogs shot. Actually,

1771
01:33:33,333 --> 01:33:36,533
Speaker 13: every local I spoke to on Hamilton Island said Depp

1772
01:33:36,653 --> 01:33:40,213
Speaker 13: remained in character as Captain Jack on an offset. Apparently

1773
01:33:40,213 --> 01:33:44,493
Speaker 13: he was a total jerk around the clock, disorderedly, totally obnoxious,

1774
01:33:45,093 --> 01:33:47,693
Speaker 13: and he was there for six weeks.

1775
01:33:47,693 --> 01:33:48,453
Speaker 3: Sundays.

1776
01:33:48,653 --> 01:33:52,533
Speaker 13: The most amazing thing, Jack, The on location production on

1777
01:33:52,613 --> 01:33:56,813
Speaker 13: white Haven Beach cost forty million dollars.

1778
01:33:57,613 --> 01:33:58,653
Speaker 3: And if you.

1779
01:33:58,773 --> 01:34:02,293
Speaker 13: Watch that Pirates of the Caribee movie, there's only thirty

1780
01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:07,293
Speaker 13: seconds of footage from white Haven Beach. Million bucks. Thanks

1781
01:34:07,333 --> 01:34:07,773
Speaker 13: for coming.

1782
01:34:08,013 --> 01:34:10,733
Speaker 5: That's ine, isn't it? So do you reckon? Should you

1783
01:34:10,773 --> 01:34:13,373
Speaker 5: watch Pirates of the Caribbean before going just or just

1784
01:34:13,413 --> 01:34:15,653
Speaker 5: watched thirty seconds as Pirates of the Caribbean. Maybe we

1785
01:34:16,093 --> 01:34:18,093
Speaker 5: can go online and find out the exact minute that

1786
01:34:18,133 --> 01:34:19,693
Speaker 5: you see white Haven Beach that you get a scent

1787
01:34:19,813 --> 01:34:20,013
Speaker 5: of it.

1788
01:34:20,173 --> 01:34:21,053
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah.

1789
01:34:21,093 --> 01:34:22,973
Speaker 13: The thing that I can work out, Jack, is like

1790
01:34:23,053 --> 01:34:25,573
Speaker 13: it was obviously meant to look like the Caribbean. So

1791
01:34:25,693 --> 01:34:28,173
Speaker 13: why would they why would they go to white Haven

1792
01:34:28,253 --> 01:34:30,213
Speaker 13: Beach when they're wanting to channel the Caribbean.

1793
01:34:30,293 --> 01:34:32,773
Speaker 5: That is weird, isn't it. There must be a reason.

1794
01:34:32,853 --> 01:34:35,133
Speaker 5: There's going to be a tax. It's always agains on

1795
01:34:35,173 --> 01:34:37,013
Speaker 5: these big shows and big movie productions.

1796
01:34:37,013 --> 01:34:37,213
Speaker 6: You know.

1797
01:34:38,133 --> 01:34:42,813
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fascinating. So indigenous tourism is expanding its offerings

1798
01:34:42,813 --> 01:34:43,653
Speaker 5: in the wit Sundays A.

1799
01:34:44,813 --> 01:34:45,333
Speaker 3: Yes, it is.

1800
01:34:45,493 --> 01:34:48,213
Speaker 13: And whit Sunday Island is fully protected. It's part of

1801
01:34:48,213 --> 01:34:51,573
Speaker 13: the National Park home to the Narrow people for ten

1802
01:34:51,613 --> 01:34:52,413
Speaker 13: thousand years.

1803
01:34:52,533 --> 01:34:53,213
Speaker 3: It was interesting.

1804
01:34:53,293 --> 01:34:55,693
Speaker 13: I had a fabulous Scenari guide who was showing around

1805
01:34:55,733 --> 01:34:58,573
Speaker 13: and he said that when James Cook cruised through the area,

1806
01:34:59,213 --> 01:35:02,413
Speaker 13: some of the Nari were recruited by Cook as outriggers

1807
01:35:02,413 --> 01:35:05,133
Speaker 13: to guide the Indeva through the barrier reef because you.

1808
01:35:05,093 --> 01:35:07,253
Speaker 3: Know, it's obviously so peril for a ship.

1809
01:35:08,093 --> 01:35:11,293
Speaker 13: And opening nely next year, the Maori are offering a

1810
01:35:11,333 --> 01:35:16,293
Speaker 13: guided overnight camping trail all around with Sunday Island, so

1811
01:35:16,333 --> 01:35:18,133
Speaker 13: it will open up a whole lot of areas that

1812
01:35:18,213 --> 01:35:21,573
Speaker 13: you can't actually get to at the moment, including the

1813
01:35:21,733 --> 01:35:25,853
Speaker 13: big treasure eight thousand year old rock paintings that are

1814
01:35:25,853 --> 01:35:27,253
Speaker 13: preserved in the island cave.

1815
01:35:27,453 --> 01:35:30,533
Speaker 3: So tell you what anared god.

1816
01:35:30,653 --> 01:35:35,693
Speaker 13: He introduced me to this amazing spider, the golden orb

1817
01:35:36,133 --> 01:35:40,013
Speaker 13: weaver spider, which you can find on this island. My god,

1818
01:35:40,053 --> 01:35:43,293
Speaker 13: these things are a site. The female's jack are as

1819
01:35:43,333 --> 01:35:49,293
Speaker 13: big as a dinner plate. Wow, they are enormous and amazingly,

1820
01:35:49,333 --> 01:35:52,853
Speaker 13: the males are just a tenth of the size of

1821
01:35:52,853 --> 01:35:56,013
Speaker 13: the female, which is quite a biological head scratcher.

1822
01:35:56,293 --> 01:36:00,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, how incredible. So are you putting on the spot here.

1823
01:36:00,373 --> 01:36:03,533
Speaker 5: How did the now do people get to the with sundays?

1824
01:36:03,533 --> 01:36:05,653
Speaker 5: Because if it's a ninety minute flight from the mainland,

1825
01:36:05,693 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 5: that's quite a stunts, right, Yeah.

1826
01:36:08,493 --> 01:36:10,933
Speaker 13: If you look at a map of Northern Queensland, those

1827
01:36:10,973 --> 01:36:14,053
Speaker 13: were Sundays that they sort of like fan out from

1828
01:36:14,053 --> 01:36:14,693
Speaker 13: the mainland.

1829
01:36:14,853 --> 01:36:17,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously a bit like.

1830
01:36:17,253 --> 01:36:21,773
Speaker 13: How Aboriginal people supposedly came down from Papua New Guinea

1831
01:36:21,813 --> 01:36:25,213
Speaker 13: through the TV Islands into Northern Australia. I would imagine

1832
01:36:25,253 --> 01:36:27,253
Speaker 13: a lot of this has to do with ice age,

1833
01:36:27,413 --> 01:36:29,533
Speaker 13: you know, movement of water lines.

1834
01:36:30,133 --> 01:36:34,453
Speaker 5: Ah, yeah, the ocean going though.

1835
01:36:34,373 --> 01:36:36,893
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, oh absolutely.

1836
01:36:37,013 --> 01:36:39,053
Speaker 5: Can you can you see that? Can you see the

1837
01:36:39,053 --> 01:36:40,213
Speaker 5: islands from the mainland?

1838
01:36:41,053 --> 01:36:45,173
Speaker 13: Yes, okay, yeah, definitely definitely it's a ninety minute flight

1839
01:36:45,213 --> 01:36:45,933
Speaker 13: from Brisbane.

1840
01:36:46,173 --> 01:36:48,013
Speaker 3: I Hamilton Islands.

1841
01:36:48,173 --> 01:36:52,213
Speaker 13: Yeah, a lot of those Barrier Reef islands, like pre

1842
01:36:52,333 --> 01:36:55,773
Speaker 13: ice Age, they were actually joined to the mainland, so of.

1843
01:36:55,733 --> 01:36:58,053
Speaker 5: Course, of course, yeah, and then when the sea level

1844
01:36:58,173 --> 01:37:00,333
Speaker 5: rose it became up. Yeah right, but no, I mean

1845
01:37:00,373 --> 01:37:01,973
Speaker 5: if you can see the islands from the mainland, then

1846
01:37:02,013 --> 01:37:04,453
Speaker 5: that makes sense. Like I'm always amazed, you know, like

1847
01:37:05,453 --> 01:37:07,453
Speaker 5: you know, you think, I mean, ibviously, Mardi arriving in

1848
01:37:07,493 --> 01:37:10,653
Speaker 5: New Zealand. But you think about Mardi on the Chatham Islands,

1849
01:37:10,693 --> 01:37:13,213
Speaker 5: for example, Well, that's there's a little dot in a

1850
01:37:13,253 --> 01:37:16,733
Speaker 5: big ocean. You know, someone someone that's a I really

1851
01:37:16,733 --> 01:37:18,973
Speaker 5: had to cast off with clear water for that for

1852
01:37:19,013 --> 01:37:22,333
Speaker 5: that trip. Yeah, okay, this sounds amazing. So any other

1853
01:37:22,493 --> 01:37:25,013
Speaker 5: activities you would recommend in the with Sundays.

1854
01:37:25,453 --> 01:37:28,333
Speaker 13: Yeah, definitely jump on a catamaran for a sunset cruise,

1855
01:37:29,093 --> 01:37:31,413
Speaker 13: because yeah, there was something so cool about those with

1856
01:37:31,613 --> 01:37:35,613
Speaker 13: Sunday islands, how they sort of necklace their way out

1857
01:37:35,773 --> 01:37:38,973
Speaker 13: into the sea and when the sun sets, you get

1858
01:37:38,973 --> 01:37:43,733
Speaker 13: this tangerine glow across the silhouette of all of those islands,

1859
01:37:43,813 --> 01:37:47,653
Speaker 13: and the web and jacket resembles the silhouette of a

1860
01:37:47,813 --> 01:37:51,813
Speaker 13: giant crocodile reaching out into the sea. I just loved that.

1861
01:37:52,333 --> 01:37:55,013
Speaker 13: The other funny thing was the sunset cruise. It just

1862
01:37:55,053 --> 01:37:59,533
Speaker 13: spontaneously morphed into a whale watching cruise. So we were

1863
01:37:59,573 --> 01:38:02,853
Speaker 13: only like one hundred meters or so off the shoreline

1864
01:38:03,133 --> 01:38:06,293
Speaker 13: of Hamilton Island and there was a pot of frisky humpback.

1865
01:38:06,933 --> 01:38:10,853
Speaker 13: I just turned on this big, splashy aquatic show one

1866
01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:12,893
Speaker 13: hundred meters off the shoreline.

1867
01:38:13,013 --> 01:38:17,413
Speaker 5: That's ridiculous. That's amazing. Yeah, Oh that's incredible. Okay, well

1868
01:38:17,453 --> 01:38:20,373
Speaker 5: I'm very envious. I have I have done a little

1869
01:38:20,373 --> 01:38:22,373
Speaker 5: bit of the Barrier reef further north up off the

1870
01:38:22,413 --> 01:38:25,293
Speaker 5: coast of can Yeah, but that does sound that sounds

1871
01:38:25,333 --> 01:38:25,453
Speaker 5: like a.

1872
01:38:25,493 --> 01:38:25,773
Speaker 2: Bit of me.

1873
01:38:25,813 --> 01:38:28,413
Speaker 5: A great little a great little spot for a break

1874
01:38:28,413 --> 01:38:30,813
Speaker 5: in the winter of the future. Perhaps, Thanks so much, Mike.

1875
01:38:30,933 --> 01:38:34,613
Speaker 5: We will put all of Mike's tips for enjoying Hamilton

1876
01:38:34,693 --> 01:38:36,893
Speaker 5: Island in the Sunday's up on the News Talk ZEDB

1877
01:38:37,053 --> 01:38:39,133
Speaker 5: website and a couple of minutes, Jason Pine is in.

1878
01:38:39,253 --> 01:38:41,733
Speaker 5: He is hosting Weekend Sport this afternoon. We'll see what

1879
01:38:41,733 --> 01:38:43,773
Speaker 5: he's got planned. So it's coming up to eleven.

1880
01:38:43,533 --> 01:38:51,013
Speaker 1: Thirty getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

1881
01:38:51,093 --> 01:38:52,853
Speaker 1: team on News Talks EDB.

1882
01:39:20,413 --> 01:39:22,413
Speaker 5: This is the best They've got a brand new album.

1883
01:39:22,693 --> 01:39:27,773
Speaker 5: It's called Straight Live Was a Lie. Straight Line was

1884
01:39:27,813 --> 01:39:29,933
Speaker 5: a Lie. So we're going to listen to it before midday.

1885
01:39:30,213 --> 01:39:32,693
Speaker 5: Play you a couple of other songs from that album.

1886
01:39:32,813 --> 01:39:35,053
Speaker 5: Right now. It's twenty three to twelve and it was

1887
01:39:35,173 --> 01:39:39,293
Speaker 5: a stressful watch for Warriors fans last night against the Eels.

1888
01:39:39,533 --> 01:39:41,093
Speaker 5: If they'd won the game, they pretty much would have

1889
01:39:41,093 --> 01:39:44,693
Speaker 5: signed up fourth place, but that wasn't the case in

1890
01:39:44,733 --> 01:39:47,013
Speaker 5: the end. They fell by four points and there was

1891
01:39:47,013 --> 01:39:49,693
Speaker 5: a controversial decision. Jason Pine is going to look at

1892
01:39:49,693 --> 01:39:51,733
Speaker 5: this afternoon on Weekend Sport. What did you make of

1893
01:39:51,813 --> 01:39:53,533
Speaker 5: the call? Piney? Was it a knock on or not?

1894
01:39:54,053 --> 01:39:54,813
Speaker 5: Never a knock on?

1895
01:39:55,373 --> 01:39:58,573
Speaker 19: Never in a million years? Well, okay, we'll put it

1896
01:39:58,573 --> 01:40:01,613
Speaker 19: this way that you can't convince me there is unequivocal

1897
01:40:01,653 --> 01:40:02,573
Speaker 19: evidence that it is.

1898
01:40:02,973 --> 01:40:06,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the key term being unequivocal. Right, yeah, literally,

1899
01:40:07,013 --> 01:40:09,933
Speaker 5: so yeah, exactly, So, I mean I thought it probably wasn't,

1900
01:40:10,613 --> 01:40:14,773
Speaker 5: but but unequivocal evidence, that's a different threshold. Well dimetric.

1901
01:40:14,853 --> 01:40:16,933
Speaker 19: Valmonger said afterwards he did touch it, Okay, so we

1902
01:40:16,973 --> 01:40:19,573
Speaker 19: can remove that he it has it has flicked his fingers,

1903
01:40:19,613 --> 01:40:21,533
Speaker 19: but has it definitely gone forward?

1904
01:40:22,413 --> 01:40:22,653
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1905
01:40:22,773 --> 01:40:25,093
Speaker 19: Sure that the camera angles We saw the same one

1906
01:40:25,213 --> 01:40:29,413
Speaker 19: the bunker seas really unless they've got secret cameras. Look

1907
01:40:29,813 --> 01:40:33,093
Speaker 19: they've said afterwards, and this is so right, said Vamonger

1908
01:40:33,133 --> 01:40:35,613
Speaker 19: said it, Andrew Webster said it, James Fisher Harra said it. Look,

1909
01:40:35,613 --> 01:40:37,213
Speaker 19: that's not the reason we lost the game. But the

1910
01:40:37,213 --> 01:40:41,093
Speaker 19: fact remains if it had stood that try kick in front,

1911
01:40:41,133 --> 01:40:43,013
Speaker 19: so Tanner Boyd would know that they are ahead twenty eight,

1912
01:40:43,053 --> 01:40:44,213
Speaker 19: twenty six or five minutes to go.

1913
01:40:44,453 --> 01:40:46,893
Speaker 5: Yeah, and when they had all the momentum and yeah,

1914
01:40:46,893 --> 01:40:48,653
Speaker 5: and the second half of that second half they had, yeah,

1915
01:40:48,693 --> 01:40:50,493
Speaker 5: last quarter of the game, it was all worries, right.

1916
01:40:50,813 --> 01:40:52,693
Speaker 19: Yeah, But they got themselves into a situation where they

1917
01:40:52,693 --> 01:40:54,813
Speaker 19: have to chase the game. That's the other frustrating cart. Look,

1918
01:40:54,893 --> 01:40:58,293
Speaker 19: we all know the team the Warriors can be, and

1919
01:40:58,333 --> 01:41:00,933
Speaker 19: that I think is the most frustrating part of all

1920
01:41:00,973 --> 01:41:03,213
Speaker 19: of this. Yeah, we know what they can do on

1921
01:41:03,333 --> 01:41:05,933
Speaker 19: their day and across an eighty minute period. If they

1922
01:41:05,933 --> 01:41:07,933
Speaker 19: can play like as you say they did in that

1923
01:41:08,053 --> 01:41:11,013
Speaker 19: last twenty let's say they'll.

1924
01:41:10,373 --> 01:41:11,773
Speaker 5: Beat most teams totally.

1925
01:41:11,813 --> 01:41:14,293
Speaker 19: But yeah, but now they're in the situation where as

1926
01:41:14,333 --> 01:41:16,693
Speaker 19: you say, the top four is again out of their hands.

1927
01:41:17,173 --> 01:41:20,173
Speaker 19: One or both of the Broncos and Sharks could go

1928
01:41:20,253 --> 01:41:23,653
Speaker 19: past them, So they could end the weekend in sixth position.

1929
01:41:24,253 --> 01:41:26,093
Speaker 19: They have to go to Manly and beat the Sea

1930
01:41:26,093 --> 01:41:29,173
Speaker 19: Eagles over there in their favor. Both the Sharks and

1931
01:41:29,173 --> 01:41:32,053
Speaker 19: the Broncos have tough games next weekend. The Sharks have

1932
01:41:32,133 --> 01:41:34,893
Speaker 19: got the Bulldogs. The Broncos have got the storm, as

1933
01:41:34,893 --> 01:41:37,653
Speaker 19: I heard savay to earlier. Certainly no foregone conclusion there,

1934
01:41:37,693 --> 01:41:40,093
Speaker 19: So there's a bit of rugby league to be played.

1935
01:41:40,093 --> 01:41:43,173
Speaker 19: But yeah, but for that call last night, and I

1936
01:41:43,253 --> 01:41:45,933
Speaker 19: never want to blame things entirely on it. No, no, no,

1937
01:41:46,693 --> 01:41:49,493
Speaker 19: I think we can certainly say that that had the

1938
01:41:49,533 --> 01:41:53,013
Speaker 19: try stood then we'd be having a different conversation today anyway,

1939
01:41:53,013 --> 01:41:55,093
Speaker 19: Cam George, CEO of the club, is going to join

1940
01:41:55,173 --> 01:41:57,013
Speaker 19: us after midday for a chat. Looking forward to having

1941
01:41:57,013 --> 01:41:59,133
Speaker 19: a chat to him about that and about the implications

1942
01:41:59,493 --> 01:42:02,093
Speaker 19: of a home game and the playoffs and also the

1943
01:42:02,133 --> 01:42:04,533
Speaker 19: other parts of the club too. The reserve side of

1944
01:42:04,533 --> 01:42:07,333
Speaker 19: the new South Bolt Cup side is appsolutely killing it

1945
01:42:07,413 --> 01:42:09,533
Speaker 19: in their competition. Yeah, and the women are back as

1946
01:42:09,533 --> 01:42:12,613
Speaker 19: well and just one point outside their top top six.

1947
01:42:12,693 --> 01:42:14,853
Speaker 19: So yeah, they have a wide ranging rugby league chat

1948
01:42:14,893 --> 01:42:15,573
Speaker 19: after midday.

1949
01:42:15,413 --> 01:42:18,213
Speaker 5: Nice and as well as that. This time next week

1950
01:42:18,253 --> 01:42:20,733
Speaker 5: we'll be counting down to kick off. Caleb Clark's on

1951
01:42:20,773 --> 01:42:21,733
Speaker 5: the show this afternoon.

1952
01:42:21,893 --> 01:42:24,093
Speaker 19: He is, indeed, yes, he's going to join us after two.

1953
01:42:24,173 --> 01:42:26,533
Speaker 19: If he gets through a game tomorrow for Auckland against Wellington,

1954
01:42:26,533 --> 01:42:29,453
Speaker 19: then he certainly comes back in to the equation and

1955
01:42:29,693 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 19: also brighton pauls a one of the great outside backs

1956
01:42:32,173 --> 01:42:36,693
Speaker 19: for South Africa. Yeah, he played against Jonah five times

1957
01:42:36,693 --> 01:42:39,293
Speaker 19: and Jonah never scored and he was marking him and

1958
01:42:39,333 --> 01:42:41,533
Speaker 19: breaking Paul's rain. A big guy, so how do you

1959
01:42:41,613 --> 01:42:43,573
Speaker 19: stop Jonah? He obviously had the hang of it. So

1960
01:42:43,893 --> 01:42:45,733
Speaker 19: we'll have a bit of a chat about that. And yeah, look,

1961
01:42:45,773 --> 01:42:48,093
Speaker 19: I can't wait for next weekend. We're taking the show

1962
01:42:48,093 --> 01:42:50,453
Speaker 19: out and about again next Saturday, Jack, So looking forward

1963
01:42:50,493 --> 01:42:52,693
Speaker 19: to that. The kings Land are not far from Eden.

1964
01:42:52,773 --> 01:42:55,293
Speaker 19: Parker is where the show will come from next Saturday,

1965
01:42:55,373 --> 01:42:57,933
Speaker 19: so looking forward to that. But yeah, we'll a week

1966
01:42:57,973 --> 01:43:00,853
Speaker 19: out sort of gauge how everybody's feeling about what is

1967
01:43:00,893 --> 01:43:02,493
Speaker 19: a massive Test match in seven days.

1968
01:43:02,613 --> 01:43:04,413
Speaker 5: Very good, looking forward to it. Thank you, Sir Jason

1969
01:43:04,493 --> 01:43:07,413
Speaker 5: Chin on the radio this afternoon, he's hosting Weekend Sport

1970
01:43:07,373 --> 01:43:09,173
Speaker 5: and he'll be with us right after the midday news.

1971
01:43:09,173 --> 01:43:11,493
Speaker 5: Before midday that new music from the Beths and next

1972
01:43:11,573 --> 01:43:14,253
Speaker 5: up we've got your book picks for this weekend, including

1973
01:43:14,253 --> 01:43:17,813
Speaker 5: a brand new read from Michael Cordy. Right now, it

1974
01:43:17,973 --> 01:43:20,173
Speaker 5: is twenty three minutes to twelve.

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01:43:20,293 --> 01:43:24,533
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team full show podcast on iHeartRadio

1976
01:43:24,813 --> 01:43:26,093
Speaker 1: powered by News Talk ZBB.

1977
01:43:27,013 --> 01:43:29,533
Speaker 5: Quit A twelve on New STALKSZBB, which means it's time

1978
01:43:29,533 --> 01:43:31,613
Speaker 5: to get your book picks for the weekend. Katherine Rains

1979
01:43:31,693 --> 01:43:33,893
Speaker 5: is our book reviewer. She's here and our Hi Catherine,

1980
01:43:34,573 --> 01:43:37,333
Speaker 5: Morning Jack. Let's begin this morning with a new novel

1981
01:43:37,333 --> 01:43:40,533
Speaker 5: from Michael Cordy tell us about Manhattan Down.

1982
01:43:41,533 --> 01:43:45,493
Speaker 27: So this is an action packed thriller. And the climate

1983
01:43:45,533 --> 01:43:48,613
Speaker 27: crisis has reached this very critical moment in times running

1984
01:43:48,653 --> 01:43:51,533
Speaker 27: out for the world, particularly the richest nations, and they

1985
01:43:51,533 --> 01:43:54,573
Speaker 27: decide to take some to decisive action to save the planet.

1986
01:43:54,613 --> 01:43:57,373
Speaker 27: And so world leaders have gathered for a United Nations

1987
01:43:57,373 --> 01:44:00,533
Speaker 27: summit at the UN headquarters in New York, and it's

1988
01:44:00,573 --> 01:44:03,533
Speaker 27: been termed the Summit of Resilience and Hope. And you know,

1989
01:44:03,893 --> 01:44:07,653
Speaker 27: there's swell foring templatures and thousands of protests. And this

1990
01:44:07,693 --> 01:44:11,133
Speaker 27: woman called Samantha Rossi insists her daughter, teenage daughter Zoe,

1991
01:44:11,173 --> 01:44:14,213
Speaker 27: has to attend school and not the protest. And then

1992
01:44:14,213 --> 01:44:16,573
Speaker 27: there's more things that go on in this very distressing

1993
01:44:16,653 --> 01:44:20,813
Speaker 27: news And meanwhile there's this detective, a guy called Nick Lockwood,

1994
01:44:21,133 --> 01:44:24,253
Speaker 27: whose attempt to protect us of pars partner Paula O'Malley,

1995
01:44:25,573 --> 01:44:28,853
Speaker 27: when she leads a chase and she's into conspiracy, therapies

1996
01:44:28,893 --> 01:44:31,293
Speaker 27: and all sorts of things. And he wakes up eight

1997
01:44:31,373 --> 01:44:33,853
Speaker 27: days later from a coma, and when he wakes up,

1998
01:44:33,933 --> 01:44:37,133
Speaker 27: he discovers that everybody in the city at five twenty

1999
01:44:37,173 --> 01:44:41,853
Speaker 27: five has fallen unconscious, apart from him and Samantha. And

2000
01:44:41,893 --> 01:44:44,693
Speaker 27: then there's this group who identified themselves using only the

2001
01:44:44,773 --> 01:44:47,493
Speaker 27: names of the Seven Deadly Sins and are out for revenge.

2002
01:44:47,533 --> 01:44:50,253
Speaker 27: And they've got this list of demands and they're determined

2003
01:44:50,333 --> 01:44:52,533
Speaker 27: that they're going to destroy Manhattan and everybody in it.

2004
01:44:52,773 --> 01:44:55,573
Speaker 27: And of course the plot's completely outlandish and it's got

2005
01:44:55,573 --> 01:44:58,613
Speaker 27: lots of twists, but it's a very thought provoking novel

2006
01:44:58,693 --> 01:45:01,453
Speaker 27: based on, you know, lots of things that we kind

2007
01:45:01,493 --> 01:45:03,533
Speaker 27: of see happening in the world now, and it kind

2008
01:45:03,533 --> 01:45:07,493
Speaker 27: of brings in that real world. Is this really so

2009
01:45:08,093 --> 01:45:10,693
Speaker 27: far removed from what's going on now? And it's yea

2010
01:45:11,133 --> 01:45:13,213
Speaker 27: makes it makes you think a little bit more nice.

2011
01:45:13,293 --> 01:45:16,373
Speaker 5: Okay, cool, that's Manhatten Down. That's by Michael Cordy. You've

2012
01:45:16,373 --> 01:45:21,173
Speaker 5: also read The Cutthroat Trial by s. J. Fleet, So

2013
01:45:21,213 --> 01:45:23,573
Speaker 5: this is sorry the cutthroat trial by es J. Fleet

2014
01:45:23,813 --> 01:45:24,733
Speaker 5: The Secret Barrister.

2015
01:45:25,613 --> 01:45:28,373
Speaker 27: Yes, so that says kind of s. J. Fleet is

2016
01:45:28,413 --> 01:45:31,373
Speaker 27: a pen name and has written under a name called

2017
01:45:31,413 --> 01:45:33,333
Speaker 27: The Secret Barrister as well, so it kind of gives

2018
01:45:33,373 --> 01:45:35,333
Speaker 27: them a bit of an idea what the book might

2019
01:45:35,333 --> 01:45:38,573
Speaker 27: be about. But and this is the King versus three

2020
01:45:38,613 --> 01:45:42,493
Speaker 27: teenage boys Craig Mervin Scott, Aaron Freeman and Jamil Lowten

2021
01:45:42,893 --> 01:45:45,413
Speaker 27: and they charged with the murder of Bernard Cooper, who

2022
01:45:45,493 --> 01:45:49,413
Speaker 27: was a seventy seventy four year old retired headteacher. And

2023
01:45:49,453 --> 01:45:51,813
Speaker 27: this happens and takes place on the first of January

2024
01:45:51,853 --> 01:45:54,813
Speaker 27: twenty twenty four, So we kind of meet all of

2025
01:45:54,813 --> 01:45:57,293
Speaker 27: this in the middle of the murder trial at Ablefield

2026
01:45:57,293 --> 01:46:01,333
Speaker 27: Crown Court. And it's a really gripping story and it

2027
01:46:01,373 --> 01:46:04,293
Speaker 27: takes place almost entirely in the courtroom, and you watch

2028
01:46:04,333 --> 01:46:07,773
Speaker 27: the trial unfold and in and outs, and the testimony

2029
01:46:07,773 --> 01:46:11,253
Speaker 27: from witnesses and defendants and evidence along the way, and

2030
01:46:11,293 --> 01:46:13,533
Speaker 27: all with kind of this question in your head about

2031
01:46:13,733 --> 01:46:16,733
Speaker 27: who's telling the truth and what really happened. And it's

2032
01:46:16,813 --> 01:46:20,493
Speaker 27: told from different points of view, the prosecuting barrister, a

2033
01:46:20,613 --> 01:46:24,053
Speaker 27: defense barrister, the judge, and two defendants, and so you

2034
01:46:24,093 --> 01:46:26,813
Speaker 27: get all that complexity of the law and its applications,

2035
01:46:27,133 --> 01:46:28,853
Speaker 27: but you get to see kind of the minds of

2036
01:46:28,853 --> 01:46:33,173
Speaker 27: the characters as well, because you form opinions about those

2037
01:46:33,173 --> 01:46:35,893
Speaker 27: people and you're hearing about their histories and their backgrounds,

2038
01:46:35,933 --> 01:46:38,173
Speaker 27: not just of the defendants but the barristers and the

2039
01:46:38,173 --> 01:46:41,413
Speaker 27: police and the judge. And so those courtroom scenes become

2040
01:46:42,093 --> 01:46:45,213
Speaker 27: intensely suspenseful as those questions and authors go back and

2041
01:46:45,253 --> 01:46:48,293
Speaker 27: forth and twists that are unexpected, and just as you

2042
01:46:48,373 --> 01:46:52,613
Speaker 27: think you really know what's going on, things literally change.

2043
01:46:52,773 --> 01:46:55,973
Speaker 27: And it's a really compelling look at the imperfections of

2044
01:46:55,973 --> 01:46:59,373
Speaker 27: the justice system by and written by someone who I

2045
01:46:59,453 --> 01:47:02,373
Speaker 27: think knows an awful lot about this, and it really

2046
01:47:02,413 --> 01:47:03,933
Speaker 27: feels like it when you're reading the book.

2047
01:47:04,173 --> 01:47:07,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, it sounds really interesting, all right. It is

2048
01:47:07,173 --> 01:47:09,693
Speaker 5: The Cutthroat Trial by East J. Fleet, The Secret be

2049
01:47:10,093 --> 01:47:14,133
Speaker 5: Barrister Catherine's first book, Manhattan Down by Michael Cordy. Both

2050
01:47:14,133 --> 01:47:16,333
Speaker 5: of those will Beyond the News Talks'd be website. The

2051
01:47:16,373 --> 01:47:18,853
Speaker 5: Beths have just released their brand new album. It's their

2052
01:47:18,893 --> 01:47:22,493
Speaker 5: fourth it's called straight Line Was a Lie. They are

2053
01:47:22,773 --> 01:47:24,133
Speaker 5: kind of top of the pops when it comes to

2054
01:47:24,213 --> 01:47:26,133
Speaker 5: New Zealand indie pop groups. So we're gonna have a

2055
01:47:26,133 --> 01:47:27,573
Speaker 5: bit of a listen to the album next.

2056
01:47:27,533 --> 01:47:30,493
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you need to

2057
01:47:30,533 --> 01:47:34,373
Speaker 1: Know Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News talks it the.

2058
01:47:36,853 --> 01:47:38,373
Speaker 3: I don't have, would you have?

2059
01:47:39,693 --> 01:47:42,493
Speaker 22: I don't see quad you see?

2060
01:47:45,053 --> 01:47:47,813
Speaker 4: But I never take get away?

2061
01:47:48,373 --> 01:47:48,653
Speaker 20: Mother?

2062
01:47:48,933 --> 01:47:50,133
Speaker 4: Pray for me?

2063
01:47:54,453 --> 01:47:54,693
Speaker 13: Mother?

2064
01:47:54,853 --> 01:47:57,933
Speaker 28: Will you talk.

2065
01:47:58,533 --> 01:47:58,813
Speaker 3: To me?

2066
01:48:03,293 --> 01:48:13,013
Speaker 4: I don't know the time in which somewhere in the

2067
01:48:13,093 --> 01:48:20,733
Speaker 4: middle there's a pigeon that we speak, but it is

2068
01:48:21,293 --> 01:48:23,213
Speaker 4: sad enough. Don't give up.

2069
01:48:23,613 --> 01:48:25,413
Speaker 2: Mother, Pray for me.

2070
01:48:26,693 --> 01:48:29,293
Speaker 5: That is Mother, Pray for me. By the best. The

2071
01:48:29,413 --> 01:48:32,733
Speaker 5: new album is straight Line was a Lie cliff Is

2072
01:48:32,733 --> 01:48:34,533
Speaker 5: our music Views. She's been listening to it and she's

2073
01:48:34,533 --> 01:48:34,813
Speaker 5: with us.

2074
01:48:34,853 --> 01:48:36,693
Speaker 14: Now, Hey, oh my name.

2075
01:48:37,013 --> 01:48:38,973
Speaker 29: What a great song to start on. It's not the

2076
01:48:39,013 --> 01:48:39,613
Speaker 29: whole album.

2077
01:48:39,733 --> 01:48:41,093
Speaker 5: No, it's not the whole album.

2078
01:48:41,133 --> 01:48:46,253
Speaker 30: It's just a very emotional take on Blizz talking about

2079
01:48:46,293 --> 01:48:49,533
Speaker 30: the relationship that she has with her mother or the

2080
01:48:49,573 --> 01:48:51,573
Speaker 30: part that she wants to work on with her mom.

2081
01:48:51,693 --> 01:48:53,893
Speaker 30: I'm like, this was actually a bit of a tear

2082
01:48:53,933 --> 01:48:56,013
Speaker 30: relesse for me. When I heard the song the first time,

2083
01:48:56,293 --> 01:48:59,053
Speaker 30: I was like, how beautiful because She's actually talked to

2084
01:48:59,053 --> 01:49:02,333
Speaker 30: her about how during making this album she struggled to

2085
01:49:02,373 --> 01:49:05,333
Speaker 30: do some songwriting, right, she's finding out hard and then

2086
01:49:05,373 --> 01:49:07,013
Speaker 30: you hear this song and you're like, that is heart

2087
01:49:07,093 --> 01:49:11,773
Speaker 30: on sleeves, full, vulnerable, just really going somewhere.

2088
01:49:12,373 --> 01:49:13,973
Speaker 29: So to know that she had had to.

2089
01:49:13,933 --> 01:49:15,893
Speaker 30: Go to a place to like really create the songs

2090
01:49:15,893 --> 01:49:18,093
Speaker 30: for this album, you're like, really, because this is so

2091
01:49:18,213 --> 01:49:21,893
Speaker 30: beautiful and just a really amazing emotional place to take

2092
01:49:21,893 --> 01:49:24,053
Speaker 30: people on an album that I mean, for the most part,

2093
01:49:24,093 --> 01:49:26,373
Speaker 30: they're very insie rock, aren't they, And there's big guitars

2094
01:49:26,693 --> 01:49:29,973
Speaker 30: and there's big percussion, but this song here just that.

2095
01:49:30,213 --> 01:49:32,613
Speaker 5: Subtle strip back easy.

2096
01:49:32,613 --> 01:49:33,733
Speaker 29: It could be acoustic as well.

2097
01:49:33,733 --> 01:49:36,653
Speaker 30: They actually had a full band version, like they worked

2098
01:49:36,653 --> 01:49:39,573
Speaker 30: it all out for the song, but then decided and

2099
01:49:39,613 --> 01:49:42,213
Speaker 30: I think very smartly, just to take it all back

2100
01:49:42,573 --> 01:49:44,453
Speaker 30: And did it be about her vocals sitting over it

2101
01:49:44,493 --> 01:49:47,773
Speaker 30: because it's a nice little ride. Absolutely yeah, And I

2102
01:49:47,853 --> 01:49:50,493
Speaker 30: think you don't need all of that on a whole album.

2103
01:49:50,733 --> 01:49:53,133
Speaker 30: I think what the Beaths are really good at is

2104
01:49:53,173 --> 01:49:56,773
Speaker 30: they do really touch down on some sometimes dark content,

2105
01:49:56,813 --> 01:49:59,853
Speaker 30: whether it's emotional or the view of the world or

2106
01:49:59,893 --> 01:50:02,253
Speaker 30: something that's happened to them. But often it's with that

2107
01:50:02,333 --> 01:50:06,733
Speaker 30: quite energetic, big drums, big guitar kind of way, if

2108
01:50:06,733 --> 01:50:08,813
Speaker 30: you know what I mean. Like Endless's voice always sits

2109
01:50:08,853 --> 01:50:11,533
Speaker 30: kind of near the front. There's always catchy riffs. I

2110
01:50:11,613 --> 01:50:14,973
Speaker 30: find a lot of their stuff really relatable, but you're

2111
01:50:15,013 --> 01:50:16,733
Speaker 30: often taking along with the energy of it. So it

2112
01:50:16,773 --> 01:50:19,373
Speaker 30: was kind of nice to have this more ballad style

2113
01:50:20,333 --> 01:50:22,373
Speaker 30: just to hear that kind of floats through the middle

2114
01:50:22,373 --> 01:50:24,733
Speaker 30: of the album. Yeah, really really caught men. I thought

2115
01:50:24,733 --> 01:50:26,733
Speaker 30: it was I thought it was really cool. I also

2116
01:50:26,773 --> 01:50:29,733
Speaker 30: think it's really great to say. As musicians it doesn't

2117
01:50:29,733 --> 01:50:31,773
Speaker 30: always come easy. Sometimes you have to take a step

2118
01:50:31,813 --> 01:50:34,973
Speaker 30: back on the processes you've used before to song right,

2119
01:50:35,653 --> 01:50:38,253
Speaker 30: try something a little bit different. But man, they've come

2120
01:50:38,293 --> 01:50:41,493
Speaker 30: back with a really really, a really great album because

2121
01:50:41,493 --> 01:50:44,933
Speaker 30: of that, I think, right, how refreshing. Also, Jack, is

2122
01:50:44,933 --> 01:50:46,373
Speaker 30: it to hear our Kiwi accent?

2123
01:50:51,173 --> 01:50:53,973
Speaker 5: Remember when just started like right in the heart of

2124
01:50:54,013 --> 01:50:58,853
Speaker 5: the kind of the pop punk like like don't wear

2125
01:50:59,133 --> 01:51:02,533
Speaker 5: your chime mind me are red? Yeah kind of thing.

2126
01:51:02,613 --> 01:51:04,253
Speaker 5: They turned and they just came out and sung in

2127
01:51:04,333 --> 01:51:07,533
Speaker 5: Kiwi accents, and yeah, it is. It's love to hear it.

2128
01:51:07,533 --> 01:51:09,533
Speaker 30: It may it be a bit of an inspiration for

2129
01:51:09,613 --> 01:51:11,613
Speaker 30: other muse those that you don't always have to change

2130
01:51:11,693 --> 01:51:15,093
Speaker 30: your vowel sounds to be americanized, that it's actually okay.

2131
01:51:15,533 --> 01:51:19,373
Speaker 5: Distinguishes especially went. I mean, the Beasts have had such

2132
01:51:19,853 --> 01:51:22,053
Speaker 5: international success and they probably.

2133
01:51:21,733 --> 01:51:25,253
Speaker 30: Just I think so too, and so to really just

2134
01:51:25,453 --> 01:51:28,013
Speaker 30: don't fall away from there. I just it's always so

2135
01:51:28,133 --> 01:51:30,413
Speaker 30: refreshing because you don't hear it a lot, you know,

2136
01:51:30,453 --> 01:51:33,093
Speaker 30: you really do hear more that Americanized way that people

2137
01:51:33,133 --> 01:51:35,213
Speaker 30: sing as well, which I think also sometimes just helps

2138
01:51:35,253 --> 01:51:38,013
Speaker 30: with vocal things. But it's just really refreshing and nice

2139
01:51:38,133 --> 01:51:40,253
Speaker 30: to hear. That is a great song on the album

2140
01:51:40,293 --> 01:51:43,773
Speaker 30: called No Joy, which again is like this real honest

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Speaker 30: commentary on actually what burnout some really troubled mental health.

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Speaker 30: Feels like like they've just captured it so so well

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Speaker 30: and it's again that dark content, but this really catchy

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Speaker 30: rock song, and it takes you a little bit to

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Speaker 30: be like, hang on actually constantly repeating.

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Speaker 29: No Joy, no Joy, no Joy.

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Speaker 30: You're like, yeah, that's dark, but but I just kept her. Again,

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Speaker 30: a feeling within a song is a really medical thing

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Speaker 30: for me. I think they've done a really good job

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Speaker 30: on there. And then putting it together and as you expects,

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Speaker 30: like really great musicianship throughout it. I love all the

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Speaker 30: laying they've done, some of the quirky harmonies and vocals

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Speaker 30: that come in with the bridges and into the choruses.

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Speaker 29: Again, just really lots of cool stuff to sit into

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Speaker 29: and listen to. And yeah, I don't know, I've every album.

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Speaker 30: It means that they've grown a little bit more a

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Speaker 30: and people are really digging what they're doing.

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Speaker 29: And I've really enjoyed this album.

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Speaker 30: They've got sold out shows in LA and New York.

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Speaker 30: They're doing a European tour and then I think coming

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Speaker 30: back for us if you miss them. They've also been

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Speaker 30: part of the Infinity Session yes, which was at the

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Speaker 30: Roundhead Studios and they actually teased a little bit of

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Speaker 30: this album which was quite cool. But their set was

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Speaker 30: great and a bit grungy, and those sessions are actually

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Speaker 30: up on YouTube as well, So if you missed anything,

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Speaker 30: plenty of opportunities to go back and sit in with

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Speaker 30: it before we start seeing them at some of our

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Speaker 30: when they come back, and maybe there's some shows for

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Speaker 30: us too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh so good. So what'd you give it?

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Speaker 5: What did you give straight lines a lie.

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Speaker 29: Straight line is a lie.

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Speaker 30: Isn't there life when you think you're working on yourself

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Speaker 30: and you've come beat full circle? I think our kV

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Speaker 30: artists need all the support they possibly can get.

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Speaker 29: I love this album. I'm going to give it a

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Speaker 29: ten out of ten.

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Speaker 5: Right, so good a stelle. Yeah, I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 5: to having more of a listen to this. We'll play

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Speaker 5: another track in a couple of minutes. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Have a great with enjoy.

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Speaker 6: That is a stale.

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Speaker 5: Clifford Our Music review, straight Line was a lie as

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Speaker 5: the brand new album from the bests. Like I say,

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Speaker 5: we'll pick out a good so maybe the title track

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Speaker 5: and play that for you in a few minutes. Time.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: Team News Talks.

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Speaker 5: It been what you will think in the morning has

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Speaker 5: gone by on Saturdays. Thank you so much for tuning

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Speaker 5: in this morning. Stick around because Jason Pine has a

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Speaker 5: big show lined up for us on weekend Sport. He'd

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Speaker 5: be looking at that Warriors performance last night, the controversial

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Speaker 5: Call from the Bunker, and he'll be catching up with

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Speaker 5: All Black Caleb Clark as he prepares to make his

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Speaker 5: return from injury, probably giving raise a few more options

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Speaker 5: actually getting into the spring Box test next weekend. For

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Speaker 5: all the bits and pieces from our show, the easiest

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Speaker 5: thing to do is to go to the News Talks

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Speaker 5: He'd Be website. You'll find it all up there. News Talks,

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Speaker 5: heedb dot Co dot m z Ford slash Jack. Thanks

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Speaker 5: to my awesome producer, Libby. She's a huge best fan,

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Speaker 5: so I'm going to make sure we can play as

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Speaker 5: much of this new track as possible. Their new album

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Speaker 5: is straight Line was a Lie. This is the title track,

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Speaker 5: See you next Saturday.

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Speaker 31: Started and study line on the side. Star line on

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Speaker 31: the line is suns are.

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Speaker 28: Like it Sun songs a.

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Speaker 29: Freewhe I don't know.

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Speaker 6: It's a can't go.

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Speaker 4: Round Round.

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Speaker 28: Round Round, Round, Round, Going Round, Round Game, Got.

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Speaker 4: Round again, Got und round Round Name.

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Speaker 28: Round the game, fin Go Round Game, Round Game, Go Round.

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