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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp and Independent Building

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Speaker 1: supplies the future of Kiwi building Today. Cool Oh eight

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Speaker 3: When it's dark, even when the grass is overgrown in

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Speaker 3: the yard, even.

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Speaker 4: When the dog is too old to bar, and when

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Speaker 4: you're sitting at the table trying not to starve, sissor hole,

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Speaker 4: even when we.

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Speaker 5: Are bend, even when you're therellone.

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Speaker 3: House sizable, even when the ghost, even when you got

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Speaker 3: around from the one you love your most scream, doors

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Speaker 3: broken paints peeling from the wood, Locals whisper when they're

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Speaker 3: going to leave in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 6: Her house is in a home even when real by

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Speaker 6: and go, even when you're the lone ys ame.

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Speaker 2: Houses on where the chores are never done. Breas been

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Speaker 2: your enjoying pron.

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Speaker 7: And the love that you live is not the love

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Speaker 7: you choes.

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Speaker 8: Make your child at home and starting you Yeah, very

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Speaker 8: very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident Builder

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Speaker 8: on Sunday with me Pet wolf Camp, the Resident Builder,

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Speaker 8: and this is your opportunity to talk all things building

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Speaker 8: and construction.

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Speaker 7: So actually I just realized a little let that song

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Speaker 7: run a little bit longer than I normally do. See,

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Speaker 7: I like that song, which is why we play it

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Speaker 7: at the beginning of every show here at Newstalk CP

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Speaker 7: on a Sunday morning. So from now through till nine o'clock,

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Speaker 7: it's an opportunity for you to talk about building, construction, legislation,

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Speaker 7: rules and regulars products, tools. We could easily go off

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Speaker 7: on quite a tangent around the whole tool thing. I'll

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Speaker 7: explain a bit more about that later on. And of

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Speaker 7: course at eight thirty we change gear, we jump into

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Speaker 7: the garden, we engage first gear with red Cliin Past,

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Speaker 7: the paddock. Red Cliin Pass will be with us at

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Speaker 7: eight thirty this morning to talk all things gardening the

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Speaker 7: wonderful world of entomology as well. So if right now,

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Speaker 7: though you've got a question about building, about what goes

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Speaker 7: wrong sometimes what goes right engaging with contractors, we've had

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Speaker 7: a project that you've started that perhaps is not quite

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Speaker 7: going in the direction that you expected it to go,

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Speaker 7: or there's you know, even for myself, I wander along

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Speaker 7: to the large were stores and that looking for a

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Speaker 7: in that circumstance before, or you're there and you're going, okay,

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Speaker 7: So I've got two tubes and they both kind of

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Speaker 7: look the same. They both say silicon, and they both

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Speaker 7: We can talk about all of these things on the

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Speaker 7: show this morning. I produce it this morning. I hope

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Speaker 7: it is asked me how my week was, and I

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Speaker 7: if you ask somebody that at five point thirty in

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Speaker 7: around building and building science. So Day one or module

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Speaker 7: one was all about an introduction to building legislation, so

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Speaker 7: It was excellent, loved every minute of it. But at

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Speaker 7: it's not something that used to doing swinging a hammer, sure, talking, presenting,

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Speaker 7: And then top that off with attending the Building Science Summit,

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Speaker 7: more about it. Some outstanding presenters including some international presenters,

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Speaker 7: it's shelter, right, and as simple as that, it's a roof,

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Speaker 7: it's some walls, it's a couple of windows. Hopefully it

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Speaker 7: So if we look at respiratory disease in New Zealand,

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Speaker 7: which now that I've done a whole day of understanding

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Speaker 7: the properties of moisture, I might have a different lens

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Speaker 7: to investigate that leak. Righty oh, that's my week. Tell

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Speaker 7: me about yours, Tell me about your projects, Tell me

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Speaker 7: about what's going on at your place. If you've got

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Speaker 7: a question, I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 7: number to call. You can text as well. That's nine

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Speaker 7: if you give me a minute, and if I remember

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Speaker 7: my password, I'll figure out the email thing. That's Pete

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Speaker 7: Atnewstalk SEDB dot co dot NZ. So the lines are open.

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Speaker 7: Whatever's on your mind this morning. I wait, hundred eighty

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Speaker 7: a delightful email that arrived yesterday, someone mentioning that there's

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Speaker 7: another one of these light garage sale tool things coming up.

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Speaker 7: I will I'm more than happy to talk about it.

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Speaker 7: I actually thought, gee, that would be fun. Maybe I

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Speaker 7: wildly successful Devenport Tool Bizarre. It's inaugural one, which I

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Speaker 7: Rightioh time for you calls. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 7: whatever relates to building, construction, housing. It's all go, it's

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Speaker 7: all it's ala carte, it's an ala catte menu, it's

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Speaker 7: If you'd like to join Julie, the lines are open.

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Speaker 7: The number is eight hundred eighty ten.

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Speaker 1: Eighty helping you finish that bye, but it fixed you

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Speaker 1: started the resident building with Beeter Wolfcamp and Independent Building

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Speaker 1: Supplies the future of Kiwi building Today. Call eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty News Talk Radio, welcome along to the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 1: Julia very good morning, Hi Julie. Hello, ah hey, right,

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Speaker 1: a small technical issue potentially here actually.

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Speaker 7: Just ah, there we go, Julie. Hello, just just just

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Speaker 7: hold the line, Alistair. Does it work for you? Alistair?

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Speaker 11: Okay, nt right, good morn.

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Speaker 7: Let's crack into it. Good morning.

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Speaker 11: Nineteen seventies eighties house and the internal ceilings got that

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Speaker 11: flicked on plaster? Yep, what's the best way to scrape

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Speaker 7: For put jib over the top or yeah? Sure? Well

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Speaker 7: first thing, it's a small risk, but there is there

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Speaker 7: and one of short answers make if you're going to

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Speaker 7: industrial chemist and just make sure that it's got no

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Speaker 7: asbestos in it. Right, So I think with the later versions.

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Speaker 7: It's a small risk, but it's worth checking out right.

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Speaker 7: So once you've done that, what I've seen guys do

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Speaker 7: then just with a broad knife that's enough to kind

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Speaker 7: with a coat of paint, that's quite that's a reasonable

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Speaker 7: amount of work. Whereas typically with this they put the

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Speaker 7: You still have to build in accordance with the building code.

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Speaker 7: It's just the time spent on consenting that you don't

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Speaker 7: Now really interesting And unfortunately I was halfway through that

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Speaker 7: How are you reasings?

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Speaker 7: I'm not sure if that's still available, but similar types

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Speaker 7: of grits are available. If you put that into polyurethane,

434
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Speaker 7: whether it would look any good or whether you know,

435
00:25:33,895 --> 00:25:36,495
Speaker 7: the grit would become obvious and et cetera. I think

436
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Speaker 7: we've actually lost Julie unfortunately. HOPEU she's listening. That's a

437
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Speaker 7: real challenge. The straightforward way would be painted and put

438
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Speaker 7: some grit in the paint. Otherwise I mean, if you

439
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Speaker 7: want it to be super super practical, you could do

440
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Speaker 7: like a mesh or something over the top like they

441
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Speaker 7: do on walkways and conservation estates. But I don't think

442
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Speaker 7: that's desirable either. Interesting one oh eight hundred and eighty

443
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Speaker 7: ten eighty. We need to take a short break. Thank

444
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Speaker 7: you very much. Julie and Doug will be with you

445
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Speaker 7: in just a moment.

446
00:26:04,975 --> 00:26:07,055
Speaker 2: Where DIY gets unstuck.

447
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Speaker 1: Call the Resident Builder with Peter wolfgam and Independent Building

448
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Speaker 1: supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today, News Dogs thereb.

449
00:26:19,535 --> 00:26:22,775
Speaker 7: Apparently I misquoted the thing. Anyone can have their cake

450
00:26:22,855 --> 00:26:24,975
Speaker 7: and eat it too. They can't eat it and have

451
00:26:25,175 --> 00:26:29,655
Speaker 7: it too. The old adage is always misquoted. I'll have

452
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Speaker 7: to rethink that, Thank you very much. A couple of

453
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Speaker 7: other quick texts have come in pet quick question about

454
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Speaker 7: the granny flats. If no building consent is required, how

455
00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:44,615
Speaker 7: is the connection of waste and stormwater dealt with? Chairs

456
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Speaker 7: from Steve. Steve, when you go to council with all

457
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Speaker 7: of the information required on a PYM a project information,

458
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Speaker 7: so when you submit that it will include how you

459
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Speaker 7: are going to connect storm water and wastewater? And I

460
00:27:00,615 --> 00:27:04,895
Speaker 7: did see some commentary online from someone who has prepared

461
00:27:05,135 --> 00:27:08,615
Speaker 7: the documentation gold to their local council and found that

462
00:27:08,735 --> 00:27:13,015
Speaker 7: their own the existing dwelling on the site. Because this

463
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Speaker 7: is the other thing with the granny flat is it

464
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Speaker 7: can be added to an existing site. It can't be

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Speaker 7: a way of putting a building on a new site

466
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Speaker 7: where there is no existing building. So let's say you've

467
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Speaker 7: got your house front and let's say, and this isn't

468
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Speaker 7: terribly uncommon, that house has never been connected to storm water.

469
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Speaker 7: And then you go along to council and you say

470
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Speaker 7: I'd like to build in the backyard, and council goes, okay, well,

471
00:27:37,135 --> 00:27:41,135
Speaker 7: you don't have storm water. In this instance, the stormwater

472
00:27:41,215 --> 00:27:46,735
Speaker 7: connection is across the road from your house. And so

473
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Speaker 7: the only way we're going to grant you the consent

474
00:27:50,815 --> 00:27:53,655
Speaker 7: or the permission to build is if you connect your

475
00:27:53,735 --> 00:27:57,455
Speaker 7: stormwater for your new seventy square meter to the existing

476
00:27:57,575 --> 00:28:01,895
Speaker 7: stormwater that exists across the road. Now, at a rough guess,

477
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Speaker 7: getting across the road is going to be I don't know,

478
00:28:05,495 --> 00:28:12,055
Speaker 7: thirty four thousand dollars exercise, and I don't have a

479
00:28:12,095 --> 00:28:15,215
Speaker 7: problem with it. I think that that's the cost of compliance, right,

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Speaker 7: But those sorts of things will come and catch you.

481
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Speaker 7: So Steve, the short answer is you need to provide

482
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Speaker 7: evidence to counsel how you're going to deal with the

483
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Speaker 7: storm water, and they may then say to you, go

484
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Speaker 7: across the road, connect into the public line there, thank

485
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Speaker 7: you very much, and you'll go criiky can't afford that,

486
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Speaker 7: and then that's the end of the project. Oh eight,

487
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Speaker 7: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 7: Got a bunch of other oh including this one for

489
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Speaker 7: our first caller, Alistair Pete. We sprayed water lightly over

490
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Speaker 7: the ceiling, then sanded the lumps down and painted. It

491
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Speaker 7: turned out great new kitchen, dining room, done and dusted

492
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Speaker 7: and I'm sure there would have been a lot of dust.

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Speaker 7: Thanks very much for that, Dean, Doug. Talk to me

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Speaker 7: about your joinery morning, Pete Greetings.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, so you've been doing a bit of research

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Speaker 17: on leaky Oh yeah, yes, yeah. My sun's actually looking

497
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Speaker 17: at Peach property. No cavity single days. They's got ship

498
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Speaker 17: lap on the outside and the iron that's running horizontal.

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Speaker 17: I'm pretty sure, ye iron. So in the cells A

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Speaker 17: couple of the three of the window sills have rotted

501
00:29:33,895 --> 00:29:39,055
Speaker 17: inside obviously because they haven't been drained or a lot

502
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Speaker 17: of moisture.

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 17: And then the ranch sliders on the inside cell the

505
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Speaker 17: boards rust. The boards rotted sort of just just on

506
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Speaker 17: one end, but it's actually been looks like it's been

507
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Speaker 17: joined because he's a split halfway a long.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so it sounds like the original jam line it rotted.

509
00:30:01,895 --> 00:30:04,815
Speaker 7: They've replaced the jamliner and that one now has rotted

510
00:30:04,895 --> 00:30:07,255
Speaker 7: as well. Yeah yeah, or hard test.

511
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Speaker 17: As well. So okay, So to actually replace it or

512
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Speaker 17: do any work on it, does it need a consent

513
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Speaker 17: for join re out?

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Speaker 7: And great question. Yeah no, typically, so Schedule one of

515
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Speaker 7: the Act defines building work. It also defines building work

516
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Speaker 7: that may may not require a consent, and most of

517
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Speaker 7: the time replacing joinery like for lake, doesn't require a

518
00:30:43,135 --> 00:30:49,535
Speaker 7: building consent. Interestingly enough, if for example, there was some

519
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Speaker 7: rotten studs that you replaced, that then is structural and

520
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Speaker 7: that might require a building consent or does require a

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Speaker 7: building consent. So with regard to the exting building, I mean, look,

522
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Speaker 7: the direct fixed cladding, there's not a lot that you

523
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Speaker 7: can do about that apart from try and maintain it.

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Speaker 7: I tell you what, there's a whole bunch of takeaways

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Speaker 7: from this course, one of which is, and this is

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Speaker 7: you know, directly from a building scientist physicist, right who goes,

527
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Speaker 7: this is what happens when we paint buildings and the

528
00:31:26,215 --> 00:31:29,855
Speaker 7: absorption the impact of moisture on a building that's well painted.

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Speaker 7: Paints are really, really, really important thing. We've kind of

530
00:31:35,135 --> 00:31:40,615
Speaker 7: known it, but seeing it tested and proven is fascinating, right, So,

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Speaker 7: you know, doing keeping the paint work in really good

532
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Speaker 7: condition has significant benefits for the performance of the cladding system.

533
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Speaker 7: So if, for example, its ship lap and it's well painted,

534
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Speaker 7: it'll last a lot longer than if you allow the

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00:31:55,935 --> 00:31:59,295
Speaker 7: paint to degrade. And often, you know, I'm sure we're

536
00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:02,215
Speaker 7: all guilty of this. We let our paint systems degrade

537
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Speaker 7: to the point where they don't perform as they should

538
00:32:04,095 --> 00:32:06,455
Speaker 7: and we get moisture and gress in a long that

539
00:32:06,575 --> 00:32:09,495
Speaker 7: will get decay and we'll get mold and all the

540
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Speaker 7: rest of it. So, but if for example, you wanted

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Speaker 7: to remove that cladding and replace it, unless you did

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00:32:18,655 --> 00:32:20,775
Speaker 7: like for like, that would trigger a requirement for a

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Speaker 7: building consent. So for example, if you thought, well, actually

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Speaker 7: I want to get a really good cast iron guarantee

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Speaker 7: that my clouding's not going to leak. So what I'm

546
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Speaker 7: going to do is, I'm going to pull all the

547
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Speaker 7: cladding off, I'm going to do new building wraps, I'm

548
00:32:34,135 --> 00:32:35,815
Speaker 7: going to put a cavity batman on, and I'm going

549
00:32:35,895 --> 00:32:40,295
Speaker 7: to do new cladding. That would require a consent. Yeah, right, okay,

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Speaker 7: it does sound like and I typically don't stray into

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Speaker 7: this territory. It's one of those things because I do

552
00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:53,695
Speaker 7: a fair number of sort of housing condition assessment type things.

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00:32:54,295 --> 00:32:56,455
Speaker 7: You'd look at that and go, do you have the

554
00:32:56,535 --> 00:33:01,895
Speaker 7: appetite for this project, and.

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Speaker 17: Looking like, yeah, it could be just the joinery leaking

556
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Speaker 17: in that corner. It's a bit like I've replaced one

557
00:33:10,615 --> 00:33:12,575
Speaker 17: half of the other side, which is signed now, but

558
00:33:12,735 --> 00:33:13,975
Speaker 17: there's other sides gone.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and some of these things can be repaired. Some

560
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Speaker 7: of these things. It's amazing with joinery. And I'm not

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Speaker 7: suggesting that all solutions to joinery that's not performing and

562
00:33:24,735 --> 00:33:28,095
Speaker 7: leaking is simple. But in some cases it's that the

563
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Speaker 7: drainage pathways have been blocked, or they're in the wrong place,

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Speaker 7: or they are simply not big enough. And again here's

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Speaker 7: a little takeaway. If you take a flat sheet of

566
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Speaker 7: metal or so, and you drill a three milimeter hole

567
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Speaker 7: in there and you put some rain drops and water

568
00:33:48,015 --> 00:33:50,375
Speaker 7: drops on top of it, you might actually find that

569
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Speaker 7: that water drop doesn't go through the three milimeter hole

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Speaker 7: because of the surface tension and water. If you drill

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Speaker 7: a four and a half to five milimeter hole, it's

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Speaker 7: likely to go through. If you drill a six milimeter hole,

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Speaker 7: it will go through. So this is the whole thing,

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Speaker 7: you know. So you might originally with the drainage channels,

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00:34:11,895 --> 00:34:14,655
Speaker 7: they might have drilled a three mil hole for drainage

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Speaker 7: and it just doesn't work because the surface tentsure of

577
00:34:17,575 --> 00:34:21,895
Speaker 7: water means that the water sits on top Yeah right, yeah,

578
00:34:22,295 --> 00:34:24,255
Speaker 7: until there's sufficient pressure and then some of it will

579
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Speaker 7: go through, but it won't drain in the way that

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Speaker 7: it's supposed to.

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Speaker 17: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's obviously a single glazes are

582
00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:34,455
Speaker 17: getting more moisture inside the house.

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00:34:34,735 --> 00:34:41,295
Speaker 7: Yeah, condensation, yes, yeah, but yeah, I mean there are

584
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Speaker 7: other ways of dealing with that in terms of heating

585
00:34:44,535 --> 00:34:48,735
Speaker 7: the house, the relative humidity inside the house, those sorts

586
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Speaker 7: of things. But at the same time, we know that

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Speaker 7: single glazing is obviously a contributor to buildings performing poorly

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Speaker 7: in terms of their thermal problem.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, of course in the area they've got a lot

590
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Speaker 17: of tiles. There's no but cheese ducting heating, but there's

591
00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:04,895
Speaker 17: no heat palm or anything.

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Speaker 7: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of those things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Oh well so yeah, so as soon as we opened

595
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Speaker 17: it up and do structure, as.

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Speaker 7: Soon as that structural as spelling consent, yep.

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00:35:15,295 --> 00:35:17,655
Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, okay, okay.

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Speaker 7: Much appreciated, all the best. You don't think take care duty.

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Speaker 7: Thank you then, thank you Neville, greetings to you.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, good morning, Peter. I'm well laid here in the

601
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Speaker 14: chateau and the best part of New Zealand. I enjoyed

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Speaker 14: your address this morning. But just one little question. Did

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Speaker 14: you part all your exams?

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Speaker 7: I won't know for a couple of weeks. So the exam,

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Speaker 7: so I think there was twelve fourteen of us in

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Speaker 7: the court on the course, and interestingly enough the first

607
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Speaker 7: course that I did, there was actually an independent the

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Speaker 7: sessa in the room as well, so they were observing

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Speaker 7: how it was, what the course material was, how it

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Speaker 7: was presented and so on, and they'll probably get a

611
00:36:01,775 --> 00:36:05,575
Speaker 7: chance to see the exam as well. So all of

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Speaker 7: us finished the exam. When we'd finished it, we handed

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Speaker 7: it into the supervisor and then we'll wait. And I

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Speaker 7: now you've put me in that position where in a

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Speaker 7: couple of weeks time, if someone rings and says, how'd

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Speaker 7: you go with the exam? I suppose I've got to

617
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Speaker 7: tell you which if I didn't pass, I'm going to

618
00:36:24,775 --> 00:36:27,655
Speaker 7: have to admit that as well. Maybe I should have

619
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Speaker 7: just shut up about this.

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Speaker 14: That's why I very very knowledgeable guy.

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Speaker 7: Stop digging, put the shovel away, Stop digging camp right.

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Speaker 14: Thanks for the chat. But I'll.

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Speaker 7: Ring in four weeks time and see whether he's passed

624
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Speaker 7: or not.

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Speaker 14: We want the click answer.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you mate, all the best, you too, take

627
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Speaker 7: care of all the best, Take care key. That does

628
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Speaker 7: set up a rather interesting situation, doesn't it. Ah, All right,

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Speaker 7: I'll take a break. We'll be back with Dean in

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Speaker 7: just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: The resident builder with Peterwolfcamp and Independent Building supplies the

633
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Speaker 1: future of Kiwi Building Today News talks.

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Speaker 7: Very interesting comment from bears. Thank you for this, just

635
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Speaker 7: very briefly. I disagree with you, Pete. If the stormwater

636
00:37:31,215 --> 00:37:34,335
Speaker 7: connection is across the road. The council should wear the cost.

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Speaker 7: Why should one side of the road be disadvantaged because

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00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:39,535
Speaker 7: a planner put the pipe on the other side of

639
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Speaker 7: the road from bears. I see your point, I do.

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Speaker 7: I'm just going to leave that there. Well, well we

641
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Speaker 7: can discuss dean. Greetings to you.

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Speaker 12: How are you?

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00:37:56,775 --> 00:37:57,655
Speaker 7: But I'm very well?

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Speaker 12: No, but sonths ago, oh, I had a plaster to

645
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Speaker 12: com and to do my shat yep, because some of

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Speaker 12: the plastering was coming like originally I had a link.

647
00:38:12,535 --> 00:38:15,255
Speaker 12: So the roof's being done. There's nothing wrong with the

648
00:38:15,375 --> 00:38:19,095
Speaker 12: roofs sole I can count their Hell now six months

649
00:38:19,135 --> 00:38:22,535
Speaker 12: ago he had to do some plattering in my kitchen.

650
00:38:23,295 --> 00:38:26,655
Speaker 12: One section has start to splash again.

651
00:38:29,335 --> 00:38:30,015
Speaker 13: Right now.

652
00:38:30,255 --> 00:38:33,095
Speaker 12: When I saw the guy scrape everything off, he who's

653
00:38:33,175 --> 00:38:37,375
Speaker 12: keeping right that fos He could a plaster that came

654
00:38:37,495 --> 00:38:41,055
Speaker 12: back send and painted and look beautiful. Now it's the

655
00:38:41,175 --> 00:38:46,575
Speaker 12: same pace, same section has gone again. Am I able

656
00:38:46,615 --> 00:38:51,855
Speaker 12: to get like a stopper or I need something to

657
00:38:51,975 --> 00:38:56,255
Speaker 12: come and be cut one siction out rest of the ceiling.

658
00:38:56,615 --> 00:38:57,495
Speaker 13: This perfect.

659
00:38:57,695 --> 00:39:01,415
Speaker 12: It's only this one play I've done quite and the

660
00:39:01,495 --> 00:39:02,695
Speaker 12: same thing's happened again.

661
00:39:03,695 --> 00:39:06,535
Speaker 7: So when you say this kind of a failure. Is

662
00:39:06,615 --> 00:39:10,975
Speaker 7: it the plaster board that's decayed and and sort of

663
00:39:11,375 --> 00:39:13,775
Speaker 7: moved and caused the damage, or is it just the

664
00:39:14,855 --> 00:39:18,055
Speaker 7: stopping that's gone over the top that hasn't stuck to

665
00:39:18,175 --> 00:39:20,575
Speaker 7: the plasterboard bit below it or above it.

666
00:39:21,655 --> 00:39:24,975
Speaker 12: I'm just one and that that's the case. Take Because

667
00:39:25,495 --> 00:39:29,095
Speaker 12: when it first came up, a guy came in and

668
00:39:29,535 --> 00:39:32,615
Speaker 12: he's got drawed back and he plastered it, and then

669
00:39:33,135 --> 00:39:36,375
Speaker 12: it's then it came back side got this other guy

670
00:39:37,015 --> 00:39:38,375
Speaker 12: and heat went far back.

671
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Speaker 10: Is he's good?

672
00:39:39,655 --> 00:39:42,255
Speaker 12: And the same thing tapped and again, And I'm just

673
00:39:42,455 --> 00:39:48,615
Speaker 12: wondering the bush of that section cut right out and replaced.

674
00:39:48,255 --> 00:39:53,335
Speaker 7: That right, that's that section plaster board. I suspect that

675
00:39:53,455 --> 00:39:57,015
Speaker 7: it's more about that that adhesion the first time. So

676
00:39:57,535 --> 00:40:01,615
Speaker 7: my typical pattern is, if let's say I've got an

677
00:40:01,655 --> 00:40:04,415
Speaker 7: existing plaster board wall, it's a little bit old and

678
00:40:04,735 --> 00:40:07,375
Speaker 7: I want to do some repairs to it. I will

679
00:40:07,735 --> 00:40:10,495
Speaker 7: clean the wall as best as possible, and then I'll

680
00:40:10,975 --> 00:40:14,375
Speaker 7: use a pigmented seala. Once I've done all my sort

681
00:40:14,415 --> 00:40:17,655
Speaker 7: of surface prep, roll on a coat of pigmented seala,

682
00:40:18,175 --> 00:40:22,055
Speaker 7: which really sucks into the surface of the plaster board

683
00:40:22,415 --> 00:40:27,015
Speaker 7: and sticks right, it sticks like the proverbial, so pigmented

684
00:40:27,055 --> 00:40:30,455
Speaker 7: seala first. Then I'll do repairs, so little bit of

685
00:40:30,495 --> 00:40:32,615
Speaker 7: stopping that sort of thing over the top of it,

686
00:40:33,215 --> 00:40:35,415
Speaker 7: because I know that my stopping will stick to the

687
00:40:35,455 --> 00:40:39,415
Speaker 7: pigmented seala surface. Then I'll do another coat of pigmented

688
00:40:39,495 --> 00:40:43,615
Speaker 7: seala to seal that stopping that goes on, and then

689
00:40:43,695 --> 00:40:46,335
Speaker 7: I'll carry on painting. So I think if you just

690
00:40:46,415 --> 00:40:51,055
Speaker 7: come along and apply a stopping compound to an old surface,

691
00:40:51,535 --> 00:40:53,975
Speaker 7: it may not bond. And I'm wondering whether that is

692
00:40:54,055 --> 00:40:57,015
Speaker 7: what's happening. So I would do what you've been doing,

693
00:40:57,215 --> 00:41:00,015
Speaker 7: but I would do a coat of pigmented seala once

694
00:41:00,055 --> 00:41:03,535
Speaker 7: you've done the preparation, and then after you've applied the

695
00:41:03,655 --> 00:41:07,095
Speaker 7: stopping compound before you do the top coat, so that

696
00:41:07,295 --> 00:41:10,455
Speaker 7: the secret source and that is the pigmented sealer ding.

697
00:41:12,375 --> 00:41:14,735
Speaker 7: Good luck with that. We're getting a lot of texts

698
00:41:14,975 --> 00:41:17,935
Speaker 7: about the storm water. It's quite an interesting one. Hey

699
00:41:18,015 --> 00:41:20,335
Speaker 7: Pete again, thanks for your response. Just to clarify about

700
00:41:20,375 --> 00:41:23,415
Speaker 7: wastewater and stormwater connections for granny flats, can we connect

701
00:41:23,455 --> 00:41:27,375
Speaker 7: to the existing house in ground pipework using registered drain lays? Yes,

702
00:41:27,415 --> 00:41:31,055
Speaker 7: Steve you can, so I'll explain more about this instance

703
00:41:31,255 --> 00:41:34,175
Speaker 7: straight after News, Sport and Weather Top of the hour

704
00:41:34,215 --> 00:41:35,095
Speaker 7: at seven back.

705
00:41:34,975 --> 00:41:38,335
Speaker 1: Then begsing what they forgot to mention on that YouTube

706
00:41:38,415 --> 00:41:43,015
Speaker 1: video The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building

707
00:41:43,055 --> 00:41:46,935
Speaker 1: Supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today Call oh eight

708
00:41:47,055 --> 00:41:49,575
Speaker 1: hundred eight News Talk ZB.

709
00:41:50,095 --> 00:41:52,295
Speaker 7: Well, welcome back to the show. My name's Peak wolf Camp,

710
00:41:52,335 --> 00:41:55,535
Speaker 7: Resident Builder and this is your opportunity to talk all

711
00:41:55,615 --> 00:41:58,015
Speaker 7: things building and construction. So this morning on the program,

712
00:41:58,135 --> 00:42:01,415
Speaker 7: already we've talked texted ceilings, We've talked granny flats, and

713
00:42:01,495 --> 00:42:03,575
Speaker 7: there really does have There is a better word for it.

714
00:42:03,695 --> 00:42:12,215
Speaker 7: It is simple standalone dwellings. Right, It doesn't quite roll

715
00:42:12,255 --> 00:42:16,415
Speaker 7: off the tongue like granny flats. But anyway, Veranda's leaky windows.

716
00:42:17,295 --> 00:42:20,095
Speaker 7: Somewhere I mentioned that I've been doing some training this week,

717
00:42:21,055 --> 00:42:24,255
Speaker 7: which also means sitting an exam because it's a formal qualification.

718
00:42:25,335 --> 00:42:27,815
Speaker 7: But of course by saying that I've set an exam,

719
00:42:28,175 --> 00:42:33,335
Speaker 7: it opens up the question how did you go? Which

720
00:42:33,375 --> 00:42:37,495
Speaker 7: I don't know yet, nobody does. They're marked and will

721
00:42:37,615 --> 00:42:39,895
Speaker 7: be informed at some stage in the next couple of weeks,

722
00:42:42,295 --> 00:42:44,095
Speaker 7: which does make it sound a lot like school Sea

723
00:42:44,135 --> 00:42:46,015
Speaker 7: and ue and all of those sorts of things from

724
00:42:46,095 --> 00:42:50,375
Speaker 7: years ago, doesn't it. But now that I've mentioned it

725
00:42:50,455 --> 00:42:55,215
Speaker 7: on air, it does raise the question. I'm going to

726
00:42:55,255 --> 00:42:59,295
Speaker 7: have to say how I got on in the past,

727
00:42:59,375 --> 00:43:05,055
Speaker 7: Mark seventy. So anyway, maybe you'll have forgotten about it

728
00:43:05,335 --> 00:43:08,015
Speaker 7: in a couple of weeks time. But look, let's hope

729
00:43:08,015 --> 00:43:10,135
Speaker 7: that I do. Okay, but I will mention it. Oh,

730
00:43:10,175 --> 00:43:12,335
Speaker 7: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

731
00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:19,375
Speaker 7: call now a couple Just Steve, I'd appreciate you've been waiting.

732
00:43:19,415 --> 00:43:21,215
Speaker 7: I'll come to you in just a second. High again, Pete,

733
00:43:21,335 --> 00:43:24,615
Speaker 7: says Steve. Other Steve, possibly thanks for your response. Just

734
00:43:24,655 --> 00:43:28,135
Speaker 7: to clarify about the waste and stormwater connections for Granny flats,

735
00:43:28,455 --> 00:43:32,175
Speaker 7: Can we connect to the existing house in ground pipework

736
00:43:32,295 --> 00:43:36,015
Speaker 7: using a registered train layer. Yes, that's the provision, But

737
00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:41,695
Speaker 7: it might also be that counsel are aware that the

738
00:43:41,855 --> 00:43:47,735
Speaker 7: existing network is under pressure and that adding a dwelling,

739
00:43:48,215 --> 00:43:51,055
Speaker 7: albeit at seventy square meters, is going to put too

740
00:43:51,175 --> 00:43:56,335
Speaker 7: much pressure on the existing network, and they could potentially

741
00:43:56,815 --> 00:44:01,695
Speaker 7: decline your application to connect or accept your application to

742
00:44:01,815 --> 00:44:05,935
Speaker 7: connect if you then upgrade the network or part of

743
00:44:06,015 --> 00:44:09,415
Speaker 7: the net work. So I'm aware it's a slight different

744
00:44:09,495 --> 00:44:12,455
Speaker 7: situation where a developer wanting to do let's say, three

745
00:44:12,535 --> 00:44:17,255
Speaker 7: townhouses where there were just one house, was then granted

746
00:44:17,335 --> 00:44:20,855
Speaker 7: permission to do the development on the basis or with

747
00:44:20,975 --> 00:44:24,935
Speaker 7: the proviso that they also then upgraded a section of

748
00:44:25,055 --> 00:44:29,935
Speaker 7: the public storm water let's say network and increase the

749
00:44:30,055 --> 00:44:35,855
Speaker 7: size of that. Now, in this instance, the value of

750
00:44:35,935 --> 00:44:38,975
Speaker 7: that work was about one hundred thousand dollars. Now, maybe

751
00:44:39,095 --> 00:44:42,255
Speaker 7: if it's three townhouses and they're all going to sell

752
00:44:42,375 --> 00:44:45,735
Speaker 7: for one point three one point four million dollars, maybe

753
00:44:45,735 --> 00:44:49,415
Speaker 7: there's sufficient profit in the project to justify the cost

754
00:44:49,495 --> 00:44:53,855
Speaker 7: of doing that. But if you're doing a simple standalone

755
00:44:53,935 --> 00:44:58,815
Speaker 7: dwelling because you're looking for a cost effective solution, being

756
00:44:59,015 --> 00:45:02,335
Speaker 7: asked to spend tens of thousands of dollars to upgrade

757
00:45:02,775 --> 00:45:05,735
Speaker 7: a portion of the stormwater network or the wastewater network

758
00:45:06,695 --> 00:45:09,335
Speaker 7: is going to make that not so cost effective. So

759
00:45:11,415 --> 00:45:14,375
Speaker 7: I suppose, in the most straightforward manner, what this says

760
00:45:14,455 --> 00:45:17,455
Speaker 7: about the proposed or they're not proposed changes it's in

761
00:45:17,575 --> 00:45:21,295
Speaker 7: law now, right, is that it was kind of sold

762
00:45:22,215 --> 00:45:25,015
Speaker 7: on the you know this will be a more affordable

763
00:45:25,415 --> 00:45:28,935
Speaker 7: solution to increase housing stock by allowing you to build

764
00:45:29,095 --> 00:45:33,295
Speaker 7: relatively small compacts, straightforward designs without needing to go through

765
00:45:33,335 --> 00:45:36,775
Speaker 7: the consent phase. Except that that doesn't mean that there

766
00:45:36,815 --> 00:45:40,015
Speaker 7: are no rules. There are rules, and council will still

767
00:45:40,535 --> 00:45:43,895
Speaker 7: be able to make I guess what are reasonable demands,

768
00:45:43,935 --> 00:45:45,615
Speaker 7: which is, if you're going to connect to the network,

769
00:45:45,655 --> 00:45:47,175
Speaker 7: the network's got to cope with it. And if it

770
00:45:47,215 --> 00:45:50,295
Speaker 7: won't cope with it and it needs upgrading, maybe you'll

771
00:45:50,375 --> 00:45:52,455
Speaker 7: have to bear the cost of that. So we'll see

772
00:45:52,495 --> 00:45:54,975
Speaker 7: where that goes. Steve, greetings to you, thanks.

773
00:45:54,815 --> 00:45:55,415
Speaker 11: For adding.

774
00:45:58,215 --> 00:46:00,095
Speaker 10: Just quickly on the on the draining side of things,

775
00:46:00,535 --> 00:46:03,335
Speaker 10: that would Yeah, as you probably know, it'd be very

776
00:46:03,455 --> 00:46:08,935
Speaker 10: very impractical to ask homeowner to upgrade a small section

777
00:46:09,095 --> 00:46:11,815
Speaker 10: of a public line. I don't think they would because

778
00:46:11,815 --> 00:46:14,295
Speaker 10: they're going to be going into private drainage anyway. They're

779
00:46:14,335 --> 00:46:16,935
Speaker 10: existing private, they're not going to be going in the public.

780
00:46:16,975 --> 00:46:17,655
Speaker 10: They're not allowed to.

781
00:46:17,975 --> 00:46:21,295
Speaker 7: Well in this instance here, the case that I read

782
00:46:21,335 --> 00:46:25,255
Speaker 7: about was, you know, not every single house, lots of

783
00:46:25,375 --> 00:46:32,295
Speaker 7: houses pre gosh, probably nineteen fifties, even sixties might not

784
00:46:32,615 --> 00:46:37,415
Speaker 7: have a stormwater connection to a public stormwater line exactly,

785
00:46:38,535 --> 00:46:40,695
Speaker 7: and some of them, if you go back a little

786
00:46:40,735 --> 00:46:43,615
Speaker 7: bit further, lots of houses used to have their storm

787
00:46:43,655 --> 00:46:48,295
Speaker 7: water connecting into the wastewater line exactly. Now counsel which

788
00:46:48,415 --> 00:46:53,615
Speaker 7: don't want it. Yeah, So imagine if you're adding seventy

789
00:46:53,615 --> 00:46:56,615
Speaker 7: square meters to the rear of the property, your existing

790
00:46:56,855 --> 00:47:01,695
Speaker 7: house doesn't have formal stormwater. Council will say, Okay, you

791
00:47:01,775 --> 00:47:04,935
Speaker 7: can connect, or you can build, but you're going to

792
00:47:04,975 --> 00:47:09,055
Speaker 7: have to connect the catchment from that to the public line.

793
00:47:09,175 --> 00:47:11,695
Speaker 7: And in this instance, the public line happened to be

794
00:47:11,735 --> 00:47:12,615
Speaker 7: across the street.

795
00:47:13,815 --> 00:47:16,295
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a problem, isn't it. As you probably know,

796
00:47:16,575 --> 00:47:18,855
Speaker 10: I've been the business. It's about the same time as you. Sure,

797
00:47:19,935 --> 00:47:22,575
Speaker 10: I've an architectal designer for the last twenty five years,

798
00:47:22,615 --> 00:47:25,575
Speaker 10: building before then, and combine the two together. So we're

799
00:47:25,695 --> 00:47:28,615
Speaker 10: working in Auckland. Look, I've been having a lot of

800
00:47:28,655 --> 00:47:32,255
Speaker 10: conversations with builders and we're going this whole granny flat thing.

801
00:47:32,655 --> 00:47:35,215
Speaker 10: No building get sent. It's going to be an absolute nightmare,

802
00:47:35,535 --> 00:47:38,655
Speaker 10: as you have probably worked out yourself. Unfortunately for the public,

803
00:47:39,535 --> 00:47:42,735
Speaker 10: it's so complicated that all they're hearing for Chris Bishop

804
00:47:43,255 --> 00:47:46,255
Speaker 10: is no build consent hooray. It's like a free for all,

805
00:47:47,175 --> 00:47:49,255
Speaker 10: you know what I mean, It's like winning lotto to them.

806
00:47:49,375 --> 00:47:52,215
Speaker 10: Because we hear so much in the media about the

807
00:47:52,375 --> 00:47:55,415
Speaker 10: cost of building consents that the like I said, Chris

808
00:47:55,575 --> 00:47:58,735
Speaker 10: Bishop likes to throw out there. Look, and I'm actually

809
00:47:58,775 --> 00:48:01,615
Speaker 10: a National supporter, but I think this thing is going

810
00:48:01,695 --> 00:48:03,895
Speaker 10: to be a bit of a disaster down the track.

811
00:48:03,975 --> 00:48:06,895
Speaker 10: Feat And also because people realize that that the basic

812
00:48:07,095 --> 00:48:10,095
Speaker 10: rules around it. For one thing, just the planning side

813
00:48:10,135 --> 00:48:13,535
Speaker 10: of it, you have to be two meters I'll use

814
00:48:13,575 --> 00:48:16,375
Speaker 10: often as an example that Rome and under Unitary Plan

815
00:48:16,895 --> 00:48:19,695
Speaker 10: you can pretty much build a meter off your boundary

816
00:48:19,855 --> 00:48:21,215
Speaker 10: as of right with pretty.

817
00:48:21,015 --> 00:48:23,055
Speaker 7: Much all the zones with a consent.

818
00:48:24,335 --> 00:48:28,575
Speaker 10: Under consent with a granny flat rule, no building consent,

819
00:48:28,695 --> 00:48:31,735
Speaker 10: you have to be two meters away. So well you

820
00:48:31,855 --> 00:48:34,655
Speaker 10: kind of hamstrung a little bit and people probably don't

821
00:48:34,735 --> 00:48:38,335
Speaker 10: understand that. And also you need to be a you've

822
00:48:38,335 --> 00:48:39,975
Speaker 10: got to be a timber of forces, you know, off

823
00:48:40,015 --> 00:48:41,975
Speaker 10: the ground. You can't be on a concrete slab.

824
00:48:42,095 --> 00:48:48,095
Speaker 7: No apparently not no, no, no, apparently not Apparently you

825
00:48:48,215 --> 00:48:51,015
Speaker 7: can do a concrete slab. And I say that because

826
00:48:51,055 --> 00:48:53,455
Speaker 7: I was in discussions with some people at brands who

827
00:48:53,455 --> 00:48:57,055
Speaker 7: are writing a paper on this, and that's but there

828
00:48:57,175 --> 00:48:59,895
Speaker 7: is there's probably more detail and I'll know more next week.

829
00:49:00,775 --> 00:49:02,855
Speaker 10: Is that being tweaked in the legislation.

830
00:49:03,135 --> 00:49:05,935
Speaker 7: Possibly because there's another part of the legislation which they

831
00:49:05,975 --> 00:49:09,135
Speaker 7: seem to have overlooked, and that is that the build

832
00:49:09,215 --> 00:49:14,695
Speaker 7: up of the walls is either timber framing or lightweight steel. Now,

833
00:49:16,135 --> 00:49:17,655
Speaker 7: I happened to be in christ Church a couple of

834
00:49:17,695 --> 00:49:20,775
Speaker 7: weeks ago talking to the guys at four months SIPs panels.

835
00:49:20,895 --> 00:49:25,135
Speaker 7: Right now, I think a factory built solution is a

836
00:49:25,255 --> 00:49:32,615
Speaker 7: good solution, right for this type of dwelling. Broadly speaking,

837
00:49:32,655 --> 00:49:34,575
Speaker 7: it does because at least you've got the quality control.

838
00:49:34,695 --> 00:49:34,775
Speaker 9: Right.

839
00:49:34,815 --> 00:49:36,815
Speaker 7: If you've got a factory that's making these things all

840
00:49:36,855 --> 00:49:38,415
Speaker 7: of the time, they know what they're doing.

841
00:49:39,015 --> 00:49:43,175
Speaker 10: You know, you've got little one man, fanned home handy

842
00:49:43,255 --> 00:49:44,975
Speaker 10: man knocking up these prefabs.

843
00:49:46,055 --> 00:49:49,015
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's not let's do apples with apples, right,

844
00:49:49,135 --> 00:49:53,175
Speaker 7: So you've got a factory that's got you know, quality

845
00:49:53,255 --> 00:49:56,575
Speaker 7: control and a history and a track record. Turns out

846
00:49:57,015 --> 00:50:02,935
Speaker 7: SIPs panels aren't included of any variety. Now that's that's

847
00:50:03,015 --> 00:50:07,055
Speaker 7: a terrible oversight, right, It is so, so there's going

848
00:50:07,135 --> 00:50:08,975
Speaker 7: to have to be some changes because I actually think

849
00:50:09,015 --> 00:50:12,535
Speaker 7: that that type of construction, that type of methodology would

850
00:50:12,535 --> 00:50:16,255
Speaker 7: be ideally suited. Look in a nutshell, I actually wondered

851
00:50:16,295 --> 00:50:20,695
Speaker 7: whether the better pathway forward for this. I understand the intent,

852
00:50:20,935 --> 00:50:24,575
Speaker 7: and the intent is to provide more affordable housing, you know,

853
00:50:24,975 --> 00:50:28,975
Speaker 7: of a modest scale in an existing situation. I actually

854
00:50:29,015 --> 00:50:31,175
Speaker 7: wonder whether they could have made the whole thing simpler

855
00:50:31,215 --> 00:50:34,255
Speaker 7: by just saying, if you go to a manufacturer of

856
00:50:34,375 --> 00:50:36,735
Speaker 7: these types of dwellings, you don't need to consent.

857
00:50:37,615 --> 00:50:41,015
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, you're right, but you know what the problem

858
00:50:41,095 --> 00:50:43,455
Speaker 10: is that people don't realize you still have to apply,

859
00:50:43,695 --> 00:50:46,735
Speaker 10: make all these applications solutely need and so it's only

860
00:50:46,815 --> 00:50:49,095
Speaker 10: going to say, this is the conversations I have, and

861
00:50:49,135 --> 00:50:51,255
Speaker 10: we're laughing, because you know what, You're going to have

862
00:50:51,335 --> 00:50:53,975
Speaker 10: two tiers of construction here. You're going to have people

863
00:50:54,015 --> 00:50:56,495
Speaker 10: who are still going through the build consent process, and

864
00:50:56,615 --> 00:51:01,935
Speaker 10: that's a higher level because you have overside and might

865
00:51:02,615 --> 00:51:05,775
Speaker 10: a couple more thousand over non consented because you're still

866
00:51:05,775 --> 00:51:07,815
Speaker 10: going to have to pay the fees to the council

867
00:51:08,215 --> 00:51:10,175
Speaker 10: for the PM and everything else. It's not going to

868
00:51:10,175 --> 00:51:12,175
Speaker 10: be given to you for free. So that's going to

869
00:51:12,215 --> 00:51:14,175
Speaker 10: creep up. There won't be much in it. And then

870
00:51:14,215 --> 00:51:15,935
Speaker 10: when you go and sell your house, you know what's

871
00:51:15,975 --> 00:51:18,055
Speaker 10: going to happen. You're going to get a whole lot.

872
00:51:18,095 --> 00:51:20,415
Speaker 10: It's going to be a new industry of building inspect

873
00:51:20,775 --> 00:51:23,655
Speaker 10: specters that will go and check out these non build

874
00:51:23,695 --> 00:51:26,735
Speaker 10: consent ones and find out all the defects they don't meet,

875
00:51:27,855 --> 00:51:30,815
Speaker 10: that they don't correlate with the plans that have been submitted.

876
00:51:30,855 --> 00:51:34,095
Speaker 10: Because the councils be out checking and what's going to happen.

877
00:51:34,175 --> 00:51:36,455
Speaker 10: Then they're going to be hold up. Some sales people

878
00:51:36,495 --> 00:51:38,455
Speaker 10: are going to it's going to be an absolute nightmare

879
00:51:38,495 --> 00:51:41,855
Speaker 10: because the homeowner they just can't they don't have time

880
00:51:41,935 --> 00:51:44,415
Speaker 10: to get educated on this, and so they're going to

881
00:51:44,535 --> 00:51:47,175
Speaker 10: have the wall pulled over their eyes. I promise here

882
00:51:47,255 --> 00:51:49,495
Speaker 10: they will. With people are going to turn up trying

883
00:51:49,535 --> 00:51:52,175
Speaker 10: to and sell it a little one and they're going

884
00:51:52,255 --> 00:51:54,255
Speaker 10: to say, yeah, no, that's all right, Oh that's a

885
00:51:54,295 --> 00:51:56,495
Speaker 10: bit of that's a public line, or they won't even

886
00:51:56,575 --> 00:51:58,855
Speaker 10: say there's a public line there. You can't build near

887
00:51:58,855 --> 00:51:59,615
Speaker 10: a public line.

888
00:52:02,895 --> 00:52:05,135
Speaker 7: I certainly hear what you're saying in terms of you know,

889
00:52:05,775 --> 00:52:07,935
Speaker 7: I think with the grows respect to my colleagues and

890
00:52:07,975 --> 00:52:10,815
Speaker 7: the media, I think it's the media that have portrayed

891
00:52:10,895 --> 00:52:13,495
Speaker 7: this as being, hey, great, there are no rules. I

892
00:52:13,535 --> 00:52:16,815
Speaker 7: think government by and large have been quite clear about

893
00:52:16,895 --> 00:52:20,535
Speaker 7: saying there are less right, but no one's ever saying

894
00:52:20,575 --> 00:52:23,895
Speaker 7: there are no rules anymore. Always enjoy the chat, Steve,

895
00:52:24,055 --> 00:52:26,975
Speaker 7: much appreciated. You're with News Talks B. It is seventeen

896
00:52:27,055 --> 00:52:29,695
Speaker 7: minutes after seven. We've finally got a couple of spare lines,

897
00:52:29,735 --> 00:52:31,575
Speaker 7: so we'll talk to Chris in a moment. If you'd

898
00:52:31,615 --> 00:52:33,575
Speaker 7: like to join Chris, the number to call is eight

899
00:52:33,695 --> 00:52:36,255
Speaker 7: hundred eighty ten eighty. Love and the text as well.

900
00:52:36,295 --> 00:52:38,855
Speaker 7: That's nine two nine two or z FBZB from your

901
00:52:38,935 --> 00:52:40,295
Speaker 7: mobile phone back in a.

902
00:52:40,335 --> 00:52:45,055
Speaker 1: Moment, turning Oh's into She'll be right the resident builder

903
00:52:45,335 --> 00:52:49,255
Speaker 1: with Peter Wolfcamp and Independent Building Supplies the future of

904
00:52:49,335 --> 00:52:52,975
Speaker 1: Kiwi Building Today. Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

905
00:52:53,215 --> 00:52:54,055
Speaker 1: News Talk ZEDB.

906
00:52:55,895 --> 00:52:57,895
Speaker 7: The lines are open. The number to call eight hundred

907
00:52:57,935 --> 00:53:02,255
Speaker 7: eighty ten eighty. Just again on the I suppose we're

908
00:53:02,255 --> 00:53:04,375
Speaker 7: talking about granny flats. We're talking about how you then

909
00:53:04,495 --> 00:53:09,095
Speaker 7: connect it to network's line storm water and wastewater, So

910
00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:13,295
Speaker 7: if there's existing storm water and wastewater, it's or sewer

911
00:53:14,175 --> 00:53:18,735
Speaker 7: on site. The legislation allows for a connection, it has

912
00:53:18,815 --> 00:53:22,255
Speaker 7: to be done by a registered drain layer. The interesting

913
00:53:22,335 --> 00:53:26,895
Speaker 7: thing is that at the moment, there's legislation in place

914
00:53:27,095 --> 00:53:30,975
Speaker 7: to allow self certification for drain layers in the same

915
00:53:31,055 --> 00:53:34,135
Speaker 7: way that someone often someone who gets a qualification as

916
00:53:34,135 --> 00:53:37,615
Speaker 7: a plumber also gets qualified as a drain layer also

917
00:53:37,695 --> 00:53:41,895
Speaker 7: gets qualified as a gas fitter. Gas fitters have a

918
00:53:42,855 --> 00:53:47,135
Speaker 7: standard whereby they can self certify, so you don't have

919
00:53:47,255 --> 00:53:50,535
Speaker 7: to get a council inspector to necessarily inspect the work

920
00:53:50,575 --> 00:53:53,775
Speaker 7: done by a gas fitter. But that's not true at

921
00:53:53,815 --> 00:53:56,575
Speaker 7: the moment for drain layers and plumbers. It's a piece

922
00:53:56,615 --> 00:54:00,895
Speaker 7: of legislation that's in play, but it's not there yet.

923
00:54:01,655 --> 00:54:05,375
Speaker 7: But theoretically you can build a granny flat and connect

924
00:54:05,415 --> 00:54:09,095
Speaker 7: and have that work done by registered train layer. But

925
00:54:09,255 --> 00:54:11,535
Speaker 7: registered train layers, to the best of my knowledge, at

926
00:54:11,655 --> 00:54:15,615
Speaker 7: this point in time, are not allowed to self certify.

927
00:54:17,895 --> 00:54:20,015
Speaker 7: You can see the gap. Oh eight, one hundred eighty

928
00:54:20,135 --> 00:54:23,175
Speaker 7: ten eighty is the number to call Chris, good morning,

929
00:54:24,415 --> 00:54:26,775
Speaker 7: good morning, how are you very well? Thanks to yourself

930
00:54:27,535 --> 00:54:28,215
Speaker 7: that's the story.

931
00:54:28,735 --> 00:54:31,295
Speaker 18: Just a quick question for you. I've got a retaining

932
00:54:31,455 --> 00:54:38,055
Speaker 18: wall about six meters long, starts off two half rails high,

933
00:54:38,215 --> 00:54:40,815
Speaker 18: and ends up at about ten or twelve half rails

934
00:54:40,895 --> 00:54:41,855
Speaker 18: high at the high end.

935
00:54:42,735 --> 00:54:45,455
Speaker 7: So at the high end would it be without getting.

936
00:54:45,215 --> 00:54:48,255
Speaker 18: Any permits or contents or anything. It's about twenty five

937
00:54:48,335 --> 00:54:48,775
Speaker 18: years old.

938
00:54:49,295 --> 00:54:54,495
Speaker 7: Right at the high end, is it more than one

939
00:54:54,575 --> 00:55:00,695
Speaker 7: point five meters high? Sorry, at the highest end, would

940
00:55:00,735 --> 00:55:03,095
Speaker 7: it be more than one point five meters high?

941
00:55:04,135 --> 00:55:04,935
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is.

942
00:55:04,975 --> 00:55:06,815
Speaker 18: I think it's about one point six one.

943
00:55:09,055 --> 00:55:13,415
Speaker 7: Typically, anything above one point five meters high requires a

944
00:55:13,575 --> 00:55:16,455
Speaker 7: consent because, you know, for obvious reasons, it's starting to

945
00:55:16,575 --> 00:55:20,935
Speaker 7: hold back a fairly significant amount of soil. The other

946
00:55:21,015 --> 00:55:24,295
Speaker 7: thing is if it has a surcharge. So, for example,

947
00:55:24,495 --> 00:55:29,415
Speaker 7: if the retaining wall is supporting a driveway or something

948
00:55:29,495 --> 00:55:32,615
Speaker 7: like that, that triggers a requirement for a building consent.

949
00:55:33,255 --> 00:55:37,815
Speaker 7: And I think too, if it's if it's close to

950
00:55:37,975 --> 00:55:41,135
Speaker 7: the boundary, that also might trigger a requirement for a

951
00:55:41,175 --> 00:55:45,135
Speaker 7: building consent. So it's the sort of thing that you know, okay,

952
00:55:45,575 --> 00:55:48,215
Speaker 7: So if it's if it's just a yeah, okay, So

953
00:55:48,375 --> 00:55:51,775
Speaker 7: if it's let's say, you know, set back two meters

954
00:55:51,815 --> 00:55:55,455
Speaker 7: from the boundary, the legal boundary, and it's one point

955
00:55:55,575 --> 00:55:59,455
Speaker 7: five meters high and it fell over. Let's say, well,

956
00:55:59,615 --> 00:56:02,175
Speaker 7: when it does fall over, it's it's essentially going to

957
00:56:02,335 --> 00:56:05,335
Speaker 7: fall over on your land, right, So there's not the

958
00:56:05,735 --> 00:56:09,255
Speaker 7: possibility that impacts on a neighbor, Whereas you can imagine,

959
00:56:09,655 --> 00:56:12,535
Speaker 7: let's say that one point four or one point five

960
00:56:12,695 --> 00:56:16,655
Speaker 7: or one point six meter high boundary retaining wall is

961
00:56:16,735 --> 00:56:19,455
Speaker 7: on the boundary, in the event of collapse, it would

962
00:56:19,495 --> 00:56:23,055
Speaker 7: impact on the neighbor, potentially blocking access to a neighbour's property.

963
00:56:23,415 --> 00:56:25,095
Speaker 7: So that's when you know, you look at it and

964
00:56:25,135 --> 00:56:27,055
Speaker 7: you go, what's the risk of failure?

965
00:56:28,095 --> 00:56:28,575
Speaker 9: The risk of.

966
00:56:28,615 --> 00:56:32,575
Speaker 7: Failure is lack of amenity to a neighbor, in which

967
00:56:32,655 --> 00:56:34,255
Speaker 7: case we're going to ask you to get a building

968
00:56:34,295 --> 00:56:36,255
Speaker 7: consent because we want to know that you're going to

969
00:56:36,335 --> 00:56:40,295
Speaker 7: do it correctly. Depth of embedment, type of material, et cetera,

970
00:56:40,335 --> 00:56:43,695
Speaker 7: et cetera, et cetera. But I think what you're describing

971
00:56:45,975 --> 00:56:48,815
Speaker 7: look to be fair. At the point where it gets

972
00:56:48,855 --> 00:56:52,495
Speaker 7: above one point five meters high and you want to

973
00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:54,415
Speaker 7: keep the top of it level, why don't you just

974
00:56:54,455 --> 00:56:56,415
Speaker 7: add a little bit more soil to the bottom of

975
00:56:56,495 --> 00:57:01,495
Speaker 7: it and make it one point five meters high. Okay,

976
00:57:01,575 --> 00:57:04,815
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. In the same way that

977
00:57:04,935 --> 00:57:08,575
Speaker 7: you know, you might a deck, for example, and find

978
00:57:08,655 --> 00:57:11,855
Speaker 7: that you need to add a handrail because it's a meter,

979
00:57:12,015 --> 00:57:14,055
Speaker 7: and then you find that with the contra of the land,

980
00:57:14,535 --> 00:57:17,855
Speaker 7: you're at a meter and fifty millimeters at one end. Well,

981
00:57:18,095 --> 00:57:21,255
Speaker 7: just bring the soil up, right, you know. That's what

982
00:57:21,335 --> 00:57:25,135
Speaker 7: I'm saying. So within reason, I'm not suggesting that you

983
00:57:26,215 --> 00:57:28,535
Speaker 7: ducking and diving the legislation or anything like that, but

984
00:57:29,215 --> 00:57:32,895
Speaker 7: let's be realistic. If it's relatively low risk, if it's

985
00:57:33,015 --> 00:57:36,615
Speaker 7: simply supporting a garden. Maybe it's old and it started

986
00:57:36,615 --> 00:57:39,295
Speaker 7: to decay and you're going to pull it down, what

987
00:57:39,455 --> 00:57:41,735
Speaker 7: would you replace it with? If it's an existing timber

988
00:57:41,815 --> 00:57:44,575
Speaker 7: one and it's failed over time, would you stick with

989
00:57:44,735 --> 00:57:48,735
Speaker 7: timber or would you look at something that doesn't require excavation.

990
00:57:48,895 --> 00:57:53,295
Speaker 18: For example, I'd like to keep the same because there's

991
00:57:53,855 --> 00:57:55,935
Speaker 18: three retaining walls around the back of the house that's

992
00:57:56,015 --> 00:57:58,615
Speaker 18: half round und poles as well.

993
00:57:58,935 --> 00:58:03,335
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll look in that case, replacing like

994
00:58:03,415 --> 00:58:07,295
Speaker 7: for like works that the what mean, mind my own experience,

995
00:58:07,415 --> 00:58:10,135
Speaker 7: the main cause of failure in retaining walls is where

996
00:58:10,175 --> 00:58:14,495
Speaker 7: people don't do the drainage well. So at the bottom

997
00:58:14,535 --> 00:58:17,975
Speaker 7: of the retaining wall, you need to install some drainage coil,

998
00:58:18,055 --> 00:58:21,015
Speaker 7: something like Bailey black snake or something like that that's punched.

999
00:58:21,575 --> 00:58:24,215
Speaker 7: You need to direct that to an outlet. And then

1000
00:58:24,295 --> 00:58:26,095
Speaker 7: you need to make sure and it's a bit tricky

1001
00:58:26,175 --> 00:58:28,615
Speaker 7: with backfilling behind retaining walls, but you need to make

1002
00:58:28,655 --> 00:58:33,455
Speaker 7: sure you have a nice even layer vertically of scoria

1003
00:58:33,575 --> 00:58:36,015
Speaker 7: that allows drainage right so that when the water hits

1004
00:58:36,055 --> 00:58:38,375
Speaker 7: the back of the wall, it's able to drain down.

1005
00:58:38,535 --> 00:58:41,135
Speaker 7: It's connected into that black snake at the bottom, and

1006
00:58:41,295 --> 00:58:44,335
Speaker 7: that directs the water away. You do that and your

1007
00:58:44,375 --> 00:58:47,615
Speaker 7: wall will last way way longer than if you don't

1008
00:58:47,695 --> 00:58:50,375
Speaker 7: do that. And nine times out of ten when I

1009
00:58:50,455 --> 00:58:53,215
Speaker 7: see failures and you open them up, none of those

1010
00:58:53,255 --> 00:58:55,535
Speaker 7: things are there. It's very rare that I've seen a

1011
00:58:55,575 --> 00:58:58,735
Speaker 7: failure where those things are done well and the wall

1012
00:58:58,775 --> 00:58:59,415
Speaker 7: still fails.

1013
00:59:01,215 --> 00:59:04,015
Speaker 18: Okay, okay, so good drainage.

1014
00:59:03,935 --> 00:59:05,015
Speaker 7: Good drainage, yep.

1015
00:59:06,415 --> 00:59:07,455
Speaker 18: It to the one point five.

1016
00:59:07,815 --> 00:59:11,575
Speaker 10: Yeah, awesome, good luck, much appreciate it.

1017
00:59:11,695 --> 00:59:18,175
Speaker 7: There's been digging involved in that, mate. All the best yes,

1018
00:59:18,855 --> 00:59:20,535
Speaker 7: is small digger is the answer.

1019
00:59:21,415 --> 00:59:24,735
Speaker 17: You know, a small digger probably couldn't get it in there.

1020
00:59:25,735 --> 00:59:29,215
Speaker 7: You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised, you know, because some

1021
00:59:29,295 --> 00:59:31,615
Speaker 7: of the little mini diggers right that the tracks actually

1022
00:59:31,655 --> 00:59:33,615
Speaker 7: extend in and out, so they kind of it's like

1023
00:59:33,695 --> 00:59:35,335
Speaker 7: sucking your belly. And when you're trying to get through

1024
00:59:35,335 --> 00:59:38,495
Speaker 7: a small gap, you can, you can bring the tracks.

1025
00:59:38,535 --> 00:59:40,655
Speaker 7: And I've seen them get through a seven sixty gap.

1026
00:59:41,815 --> 00:59:42,255
Speaker 18: Oh wow.

1027
00:59:42,575 --> 00:59:47,175
Speaker 7: Yeah, So seriously, diggers are all sinking about it all

1028
00:59:48,615 --> 00:59:51,615
Speaker 7: the best you so much, take care, my pleasure. You're

1029
00:59:51,655 --> 00:59:53,815
Speaker 7: the new Talks. There'd be eight hundred and eighty ten

1030
00:59:53,935 --> 00:59:57,135
Speaker 7: eighty the number to call Deathney. Good morning, Oh, good.

1031
00:59:57,055 --> 01:00:02,935
Speaker 19: Morning, Peter, thank you. I have an old villow, so

1032
01:00:03,135 --> 01:00:05,255
Speaker 19: it was built before there was plumbing in the streets.

1033
01:00:05,335 --> 01:00:05,535
Speaker 7: Sure.

1034
01:00:06,415 --> 01:00:09,655
Speaker 19: Yeah, I've been here for a good thirty years. And

1035
01:00:10,735 --> 01:00:13,935
Speaker 19: the previous owners did some renovations and they submitted a

1036
01:00:14,495 --> 01:00:20,095
Speaker 19: proposed drainage plan to abandon an old sewage pipe and

1037
01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:25,775
Speaker 19: realign the sewage pipes on the property on the boundary

1038
01:00:25,815 --> 01:00:29,615
Speaker 19: of a new cross leafy. So I know that that

1039
01:00:29,775 --> 01:00:34,215
Speaker 19: work has been done because it's got on the cross

1040
01:00:34,415 --> 01:00:39,575
Speaker 19: leaf side that there's those round menholes on that side.

1041
01:00:40,295 --> 01:00:44,215
Speaker 19: The problem I have is that because I'm the original

1042
01:00:45,695 --> 01:00:48,255
Speaker 19: house on this property, the problem I have is that

1043
01:00:48,375 --> 01:00:53,975
Speaker 19: I have a problem with my stormwater, and I've got

1044
01:00:54,015 --> 01:00:57,575
Speaker 19: a broken pipe under the ground and I don't know

1045
01:00:57,735 --> 01:01:00,575
Speaker 19: where it drains to. I had a dream layer come in.

1046
01:01:02,295 --> 01:01:07,015
Speaker 19: They came and had a look, and they they said

1047
01:01:07,015 --> 01:01:10,375
Speaker 19: there's a broken pipe, but they haven't said where it

1048
01:01:10,455 --> 01:01:13,615
Speaker 19: connects to. I don't know where the stormwater connects to

1049
01:01:13,695 --> 01:01:17,375
Speaker 19: it all. There's no plan as such. I asked the

1050
01:01:17,455 --> 01:01:21,215
Speaker 19: previous owner. He doesn't know what it said. He doesn't know.

1051
01:01:22,855 --> 01:01:26,415
Speaker 19: That original visit from the drain layer where nothing was done,

1052
01:01:26,615 --> 01:01:30,615
Speaker 19: cost me over seven hundred dollars, and then they sent

1053
01:01:30,775 --> 01:01:35,015
Speaker 19: me an estimate for four thousand to reconnect this one.

1054
01:01:36,655 --> 01:01:37,575
Speaker 17: Stormwater pipe.

1055
01:01:38,495 --> 01:01:39,095
Speaker 14: But they won't.

1056
01:01:39,215 --> 01:01:44,095
Speaker 19: They haven't said where to, So I'm loath to accept

1057
01:01:44,135 --> 01:01:48,415
Speaker 19: an estimate that's got no detail on it. But also

1058
01:01:48,535 --> 01:01:53,095
Speaker 19: to the sewerage doesn't appear on the GPS like all

1059
01:01:53,135 --> 01:01:57,935
Speaker 19: my neighbors do. When when you search that online, I

1060
01:01:58,015 --> 01:01:59,855
Speaker 19: don't really know what I don't really know what sort

1061
01:01:59,855 --> 01:02:03,495
Speaker 19: of trade to go to next, or how to resolve

1062
01:02:03,575 --> 01:02:06,055
Speaker 19: this problem because at the moment, this broken pipe is

1063
01:02:06,495 --> 01:02:07,855
Speaker 19: flooding under my house.

1064
01:02:08,015 --> 01:02:10,815
Speaker 7: Wind Okay, it's not.

1065
01:02:11,415 --> 01:02:14,175
Speaker 19: Yeah, the actual pipe is not under the house. It's

1066
01:02:14,295 --> 01:02:17,175
Speaker 19: kind of back flooding into the under there.

1067
01:02:19,095 --> 01:02:21,975
Speaker 7: So the break in the line, which is allowing the

1068
01:02:22,015 --> 01:02:25,055
Speaker 7: water to get to escape, means that the water then

1069
01:02:25,175 --> 01:02:28,615
Speaker 7: tracks underneath the house. So the origin of it is

1070
01:02:28,775 --> 01:02:32,375
Speaker 7: feather uphill, but you're seeing it downhill effectively.

1071
01:02:32,615 --> 01:02:33,815
Speaker 9: Yeah, actually, weirdly.

1072
01:02:33,935 --> 01:02:37,455
Speaker 19: Weirdly, the problem with the pipe is actually downhill. It's

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01:02:37,535 --> 01:02:42,575
Speaker 19: a relatively flat section, right, But if there's something like

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01:02:42,735 --> 01:02:45,175
Speaker 19: a really bad storm, as we do with a you know,

1075
01:02:45,335 --> 01:02:50,135
Speaker 19: say twelve centimeters of water, yes, you know, on a day,

1076
01:02:50,375 --> 01:02:54,775
Speaker 19: it's just overflowing this drain and then because under the

1077
01:02:54,895 --> 01:02:58,815
Speaker 19: house the level of the dirt is slightly lower, Yep,

1078
01:02:58,975 --> 01:03:00,495
Speaker 19: it kind of goes backwards.

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01:03:00,975 --> 01:03:01,215
Speaker 7: Sure.

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01:03:02,415 --> 01:03:04,135
Speaker 19: Yeah, I just don't know how to approach it because

1081
01:03:04,135 --> 01:03:07,055
Speaker 19: I tried the drain layer and you know a little bit.

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01:03:07,535 --> 01:03:09,615
Speaker 7: I mean, look, there's there's more than one train layer

1083
01:03:09,695 --> 01:03:13,655
Speaker 7: out there, so that that might be the most straightforward

1084
01:03:13,735 --> 01:03:17,495
Speaker 7: solution initially, is to maybe through you know, this is

1085
01:03:17,535 --> 01:03:20,775
Speaker 7: one of those things where I guess lots of us

1086
01:03:20,815 --> 01:03:24,415
Speaker 7: who are in trade or have done you know, lots

1087
01:03:24,415 --> 01:03:26,775
Speaker 7: of work have built up a network of people that

1088
01:03:26,855 --> 01:03:30,295
Speaker 7: we trust, and the dilemma for making a series of

1089
01:03:30,375 --> 01:03:32,815
Speaker 7: assumptions and please forgive me if they're in correct. But

1090
01:03:33,335 --> 01:03:35,855
Speaker 7: you know, if you're not engaging with trades people on

1091
01:03:35,975 --> 01:03:39,095
Speaker 7: a fairly regular basis, then when you do go out

1092
01:03:39,535 --> 01:03:44,855
Speaker 7: and search for someone, you don't know who you're going

1093
01:03:44,895 --> 01:03:47,455
Speaker 7: to get, right Whereas you know, if you're working with people,

1094
01:03:47,615 --> 01:03:51,215
Speaker 7: you start to build up an appreciation of their skill

1095
01:03:51,415 --> 01:03:54,775
Speaker 7: and their dedication and their competency and so on. So

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01:03:55,175 --> 01:03:58,135
Speaker 7: what that's a long wind way of saying, why not

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01:03:58,335 --> 01:04:02,255
Speaker 7: find another drain layer and maybe go to a contractor

1098
01:04:02,335 --> 01:04:04,095
Speaker 7: that you know who's got someone that they're happy to

1099
01:04:04,135 --> 01:04:07,175
Speaker 7: recommend and they might give you a more straightforward solution

1100
01:04:07,415 --> 01:04:11,055
Speaker 7: or a more definite solution, because let's be a little

1101
01:04:11,055 --> 01:04:14,695
Speaker 7: bit honest. You know, most strain laying is pretty straightforward, right,

1102
01:04:16,175 --> 01:04:19,735
Speaker 7: so in this instance, and also I wouldn't be too

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01:04:19,815 --> 01:04:24,375
Speaker 7: concerned the fact that your drainage doesn't appear on the

1104
01:04:26,735 --> 01:04:30,175
Speaker 7: on the gis on the council information. I mean, the

1105
01:04:30,295 --> 01:04:32,775
Speaker 7: level of detail on the gas is getting better and

1106
01:04:32,855 --> 01:04:36,895
Speaker 7: better all of the time, but it requires on information

1107
01:04:37,095 --> 01:04:40,295
Speaker 7: being inputed into it, as my understanding, So if no

1108
01:04:40,415 --> 01:04:43,135
Speaker 7: one's registered the work, then it won't show. And I

1109
01:04:43,295 --> 01:04:45,615
Speaker 7: was looking at gis of a property the other day.

1110
01:04:45,695 --> 01:04:50,335
Speaker 7: It showed limited detail as to what private connections were there,

1111
01:04:50,455 --> 01:04:53,735
Speaker 7: but it did show the presence of the public infrastructure.

1112
01:04:55,655 --> 01:05:02,375
Speaker 7: So I think that obviously with the cross LEAs the

1113
01:05:03,095 --> 01:05:06,815
Speaker 7: sewer has been or wastewater has been sorted out. Do

1114
01:05:06,935 --> 01:05:11,655
Speaker 7: you know if your stormwater pipe was working properly, would

1115
01:05:11,695 --> 01:05:14,015
Speaker 7: your stormwater go to the public line.

1116
01:05:16,135 --> 01:05:20,655
Speaker 19: I had absolutely no idea whether stormwater drains or I

1117
01:05:20,735 --> 01:05:25,415
Speaker 19: can see where the dreams are that you know the

1118
01:05:25,495 --> 01:05:29,055
Speaker 19: downpipes come down there. Of course it is that this

1119
01:05:29,255 --> 01:05:34,175
Speaker 19: particular one, the company that came, they dug a sort

1120
01:05:34,175 --> 01:05:36,415
Speaker 19: of two foot hole and said, oh, that pipe's broken,

1121
01:05:36,455 --> 01:05:40,135
Speaker 19: there's your problems. But they couldn't tell me where they

1122
01:05:40,175 --> 01:05:41,135
Speaker 19: were going to connect to.

1123
01:05:41,375 --> 01:05:43,295
Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, I knew it was blocked.

1124
01:05:43,535 --> 01:05:44,295
Speaker 19: I knew that.

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01:05:44,855 --> 01:05:49,375
Speaker 7: But one good place to start would be to have

1126
01:05:50,015 --> 01:05:54,015
Speaker 7: someone do CCTV of your existing line. So from where

1127
01:05:54,055 --> 01:05:58,255
Speaker 7: the downpipe connects to the stormwater pipe in the ground,

1128
01:05:58,895 --> 01:06:02,415
Speaker 7: disconnect the downpipe, poke the camera in there and track

1129
01:06:02,535 --> 01:06:05,895
Speaker 7: the camera along right, and then you might see evidence

1130
01:06:05,935 --> 01:06:08,735
Speaker 7: of a brain. If the break hasn't collapsed the pipe,

1131
01:06:08,815 --> 01:06:11,895
Speaker 7: the camera can carry on and then eventually you'll see

1132
01:06:12,015 --> 01:06:14,455
Speaker 7: where it ends. Now, it might just end in a

1133
01:06:14,535 --> 01:06:17,375
Speaker 7: break or a collapse, which means but then at least

1134
01:06:17,655 --> 01:06:20,695
Speaker 7: they'll be able to plot exactly where that is distance

1135
01:06:21,015 --> 01:06:23,215
Speaker 7: and depth, and they'll be able to mark that on

1136
01:06:23,295 --> 01:06:27,015
Speaker 7: the ground. And if it's an old system, it's quite

1137
01:06:27,055 --> 01:06:30,495
Speaker 7: possible that you'll have a series of breaks or dislodgments.

1138
01:06:30,575 --> 01:06:32,535
Speaker 7: You know, if it's a ceramic pipe and they're about

1139
01:06:32,935 --> 01:06:35,975
Speaker 7: six hundred milli long and all of those junctions, they

1140
01:06:36,015 --> 01:06:38,615
Speaker 7: can move, and pieces can break, and tree roots can

1141
01:06:38,695 --> 01:06:40,735
Speaker 7: get in there, and all of those sorts of things happen.

1142
01:06:40,895 --> 01:06:44,135
Speaker 7: So you know, one scenario is that, in fact, the

1143
01:06:44,215 --> 01:06:47,015
Speaker 7: whole line is no longer fit for purpose, but it

1144
01:06:47,255 --> 01:06:51,535
Speaker 7: does potentially end up connecting to a public line somewhere,

1145
01:06:51,655 --> 01:06:53,895
Speaker 7: in which case you're going to have to replace it,

1146
01:06:55,055 --> 01:06:57,575
Speaker 7: and that's going to be come in, dig a trench,

1147
01:06:57,735 --> 01:07:00,455
Speaker 7: rip out all of the old drainage, redo the drainage,

1148
01:07:00,495 --> 01:07:03,495
Speaker 7: and make a new stormwater connection. But you know, again,

1149
01:07:04,135 --> 01:07:06,935
Speaker 7: on a house, typically there's more than one store water connection.

1150
01:07:07,015 --> 01:07:09,375
Speaker 7: You've got more than one down pipe in which case

1151
01:07:09,455 --> 01:07:11,935
Speaker 7: you'll need to do branches that go and pick up

1152
01:07:12,855 --> 01:07:16,135
Speaker 7: all of your existing storm water and collect all of

1153
01:07:16,215 --> 01:07:20,575
Speaker 7: that and discharge it if the existing system's not working well.

1154
01:07:21,335 --> 01:07:23,695
Speaker 10: So that job.

1155
01:07:24,935 --> 01:07:29,135
Speaker 19: Yeah, because this particular pipe, I've got four drains and

1156
01:07:29,335 --> 01:07:32,375
Speaker 19: one of them is blocked, and the small hole that

1157
01:07:32,495 --> 01:07:36,295
Speaker 19: they did dig filled up with water straight away because

1158
01:07:36,335 --> 01:07:39,495
Speaker 19: it was a kind of drizzly day and it had

1159
01:07:39,575 --> 01:07:42,415
Speaker 19: a I mean, I don't actually even know if this

1160
01:07:42,535 --> 01:07:45,135
Speaker 19: pipe they dug up is related to the downpape, but

1161
01:07:45,255 --> 01:07:48,935
Speaker 19: anyway that they found this pipe and go willer and

1162
01:07:49,055 --> 01:07:52,615
Speaker 19: it was it was a steel some kind of metal pipe,

1163
01:07:52,935 --> 01:07:57,535
Speaker 19: and so yeah, and then so that the hole that

1164
01:07:57,735 --> 01:08:01,495
Speaker 19: was dug it was like a two foot sort of trench.

1165
01:08:02,055 --> 01:08:05,415
Speaker 19: At one end was the metal broken pipe and this

1166
01:08:05,615 --> 01:08:09,215
Speaker 19: is only a it's not too far from the drain.

1167
01:08:09,655 --> 01:08:12,215
Speaker 19: But then the other end there was a concrete kind

1168
01:08:12,255 --> 01:08:16,215
Speaker 19: of structure, which I don't know what that is, but

1169
01:08:16,335 --> 01:08:18,055
Speaker 19: I also don't know where the drains are.

1170
01:08:18,215 --> 01:08:23,415
Speaker 7: So look, I think that probably the best place to

1171
01:08:23,455 --> 01:08:26,615
Speaker 7: start in terms of investigating and understanding what you've got

1172
01:08:26,895 --> 01:08:31,735
Speaker 7: is to get someone who does video survey. So a

1173
01:08:31,815 --> 01:08:35,335
Speaker 7: lot some drainage companies have their own. Some drainage companies

1174
01:08:35,575 --> 01:08:40,655
Speaker 7: contract that workout to specialists. I think starting first, you

1175
01:08:40,735 --> 01:08:42,815
Speaker 7: have to understand the scale and scope of the problem

1176
01:08:42,855 --> 01:08:45,575
Speaker 7: and where all of the pipes are. So to me,

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01:08:45,815 --> 01:08:48,615
Speaker 7: CCTV would be the best place to start.

1178
01:08:49,895 --> 01:08:52,975
Speaker 19: The company that the dreamline company that they came out,

1179
01:08:53,015 --> 01:08:56,495
Speaker 19: they didn't do that on one page and said, oh,

1180
01:08:56,575 --> 01:08:58,655
Speaker 19: look it goes out to the fence lane and that

1181
01:08:58,855 --> 01:08:59,015
Speaker 19: was it.

1182
01:08:59,655 --> 01:09:00,535
Speaker 9: But they couldn't tell me.

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01:09:00,615 --> 01:09:02,615
Speaker 19: They didn't do it on all of the drains. Obviously

1184
01:09:02,655 --> 01:09:04,135
Speaker 19: they couldn't do it on the blocked one.

1185
01:09:04,255 --> 01:09:04,455
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1186
01:09:04,535 --> 01:09:08,135
Speaker 19: Sure, but again I'm none of the ways are really

1187
01:09:08,495 --> 01:09:12,655
Speaker 19: as to where the drainage is that would be connected to.

1188
01:09:15,535 --> 01:09:18,055
Speaker 7: There will be a solution. I think maybe you just

1189
01:09:18,175 --> 01:09:20,775
Speaker 7: need to find a drainage company that a little bit

1190
01:09:20,855 --> 01:09:28,255
Speaker 7: more engaged in the process. So CCTV local drain layer

1191
01:09:28,335 --> 01:09:31,695
Speaker 7: that might Okay. Where I live, there one guy who's

1192
01:09:31,735 --> 01:09:33,655
Speaker 7: done basically all of the work. So you just ring

1193
01:09:33,775 --> 01:09:35,575
Speaker 7: him and go what's the story with the drains at

1194
01:09:35,655 --> 01:09:37,735
Speaker 7: number da da Da da da, And he'll know now

1195
01:09:37,815 --> 01:09:39,935
Speaker 7: that that's an old fashioned way of looking at it.

1196
01:09:40,015 --> 01:09:41,815
Speaker 7: But there will be some people who are familiar with

1197
01:09:41,895 --> 01:09:46,455
Speaker 7: the area who might know it otherwise, you know, at

1198
01:09:46,495 --> 01:09:49,935
Speaker 7: a certain stage CCTV. And if that doesn't work, then

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01:09:50,055 --> 01:09:52,295
Speaker 7: you are literally ripping it up and starting again.

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01:09:53,255 --> 01:09:55,015
Speaker 2: Right, okay, thank you, all right, good luck?

1201
01:09:55,135 --> 01:09:55,495
Speaker 4: One more?

1202
01:09:55,815 --> 01:09:56,855
Speaker 19: Have we got any more time?

1203
01:09:57,135 --> 01:09:58,175
Speaker 7: Very very quickly please?

1204
01:09:58,495 --> 01:09:58,775
Speaker 8: Okay.

1205
01:09:58,895 --> 01:10:01,975
Speaker 19: I also found under the house and old structure which

1206
01:10:02,055 --> 01:10:05,095
Speaker 19: is concrete. There's no I've dug it out. It's got

1207
01:10:05,175 --> 01:10:08,895
Speaker 19: no exit drains or anything, but it does fill up

1208
01:10:08,935 --> 01:10:13,735
Speaker 19: with water. And about six inches under that level is

1209
01:10:13,855 --> 01:10:18,295
Speaker 19: the underneath of the house. So I'm wondering how to

1210
01:10:18,455 --> 01:10:20,735
Speaker 19: drain under the house if this happens again.

1211
01:10:22,095 --> 01:10:24,855
Speaker 7: What about if there's something there that's holding water, so

1212
01:10:24,895 --> 01:10:26,775
Speaker 7: it might be an old catch pit or something like that,

1213
01:10:27,335 --> 01:10:30,655
Speaker 7: why not just fill the catch pit up with something

1214
01:10:30,695 --> 01:10:34,855
Speaker 7: that's not permeable eye concrete, and therefore it won't catch

1215
01:10:34,975 --> 01:10:35,655
Speaker 7: water anymore.

1216
01:10:36,495 --> 01:10:39,455
Speaker 19: Yeah, and then how okay, thank you? And how do

1217
01:10:39,615 --> 01:10:44,175
Speaker 19: I then drain under the house given at a slightly

1218
01:10:44,255 --> 01:10:46,095
Speaker 19: lower level than the outside ground?

1219
01:10:46,695 --> 01:10:49,695
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it kind of depends on where that

1220
01:10:49,815 --> 01:10:52,015
Speaker 7: water is coming from. So if it's water that's coming

1221
01:10:52,095 --> 01:10:54,375
Speaker 7: from a broken pipe, if you fix the pipe, you've

1222
01:10:54,415 --> 01:10:57,375
Speaker 7: probably gone some way to fixing the problem. The other

1223
01:10:57,455 --> 01:11:02,135
Speaker 7: thing is that ideally, surfaces underneath the house should be

1224
01:11:02,815 --> 01:11:06,335
Speaker 7: you know, like nothing's dead flat, right, very rarely. So

1225
01:11:06,895 --> 01:11:09,375
Speaker 7: to grade it in such a way that any water

1226
01:11:09,455 --> 01:11:12,215
Speaker 7: that does come in has a pathway out is a

1227
01:11:12,295 --> 01:11:19,215
Speaker 7: really good idea. And that's it. Actually, it's just got

1228
01:11:19,255 --> 01:11:21,375
Speaker 7: to have somewhere to go. So if it's got a

1229
01:11:21,415 --> 01:11:23,255
Speaker 7: big hollow in it, fill the hollow up so that

1230
01:11:23,335 --> 01:11:25,575
Speaker 7: the water goes over the top. Once you've done all

1231
01:11:25,655 --> 01:11:29,215
Speaker 7: of that work, putting a vapor barrier down is also

1232
01:11:29,335 --> 01:11:32,375
Speaker 7: going to make a big difference to the quality of air,

1233
01:11:32,535 --> 01:11:35,375
Speaker 7: the quality of the environment underneath there. As I learned

1234
01:11:35,415 --> 01:11:39,495
Speaker 7: the other day, it's about forty kilos of water is

1235
01:11:39,615 --> 01:11:42,775
Speaker 7: released from underneath the house on a typical day. That's

1236
01:11:42,815 --> 01:11:47,415
Speaker 7: the equivalent of about forty liters of water, yeah, every day.

1237
01:11:48,535 --> 01:11:51,335
Speaker 7: And if you're holding water, then that's going to be

1238
01:11:51,375 --> 01:11:56,735
Speaker 7: even more, isn't it. Good luck, Good luck, my pleasure,

1239
01:11:57,535 --> 01:12:00,215
Speaker 7: lovely to chat with you. Take care them.

1240
01:12:02,935 --> 01:12:03,375
Speaker 14: To be fair.

1241
01:12:03,415 --> 01:12:06,095
Speaker 7: I actually find drainage endlessly fascinating. I wonder if I

1242
01:12:06,335 --> 01:12:08,295
Speaker 7: I chose the wrong career path, maybe I should have

1243
01:12:08,295 --> 01:12:12,535
Speaker 7: been a drain layer. I could be quite happy being

1244
01:12:12,575 --> 01:12:16,575
Speaker 7: a drain layer. I suspect anyway, eight hundred eighty ten

1245
01:12:16,655 --> 01:12:19,175
Speaker 7: eighty is the number to call. Seven forty here at

1246
01:12:19,215 --> 01:12:21,495
Speaker 7: news Talks FB. We've finally got a spare line. So

1247
01:12:22,215 --> 01:12:25,455
Speaker 7: if you've been waiting, now's your time, now's your opportunity.

1248
01:12:25,575 --> 01:12:28,975
Speaker 7: Seize the day. Carpe day am Oh, eight hundred eighty

1249
01:12:29,335 --> 01:12:31,095
Speaker 7: ten eighty is the number to call. I've got a

1250
01:12:31,135 --> 01:12:33,015
Speaker 7: bunch of techts. I'll come back with those in just

1251
01:12:33,135 --> 01:12:34,215
Speaker 7: a moment as well.

1252
01:12:34,695 --> 01:12:37,615
Speaker 1: Helping you finish that five minute fixed you started the

1253
01:12:37,815 --> 01:12:42,695
Speaker 1: resident builder with Peterwolfcamp and Independent Building Supplies the future

1254
01:12:42,775 --> 01:12:46,575
Speaker 1: of Kiwi building today. Call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

1255
01:12:46,815 --> 01:12:48,975
Speaker 1: News TALKSB you and new Talks.

1256
01:12:48,975 --> 01:12:51,095
Speaker 7: Thereb a couple of texts that have come in Pete

1257
01:12:51,135 --> 01:12:55,335
Speaker 7: Drainage is one thing. What about power? Granted a small dwelling,

1258
01:12:55,455 --> 01:12:58,855
Speaker 7: but they will probably want heating, calling an oven, a hob,

1259
01:12:59,015 --> 01:13:02,695
Speaker 7: some cooking appliances, maybe an EV. Most houses are on

1260
01:13:02,815 --> 01:13:07,695
Speaker 7: a single phase the sixty three amp supply. Some of

1261
01:13:07,775 --> 01:13:11,335
Speaker 7: these things are loading the installation. They may also want

1262
01:13:11,375 --> 01:13:15,135
Speaker 7: a separate meter. I can see problems going forward with

1263
01:13:15,335 --> 01:13:17,775
Speaker 7: all of this. Too small for solar panels too. Now

1264
01:13:17,815 --> 01:13:21,615
Speaker 7: all of this comes from Tony who's an electrician, and

1265
01:13:21,735 --> 01:13:23,455
Speaker 7: he raises a very good point. You know, if you've

1266
01:13:23,495 --> 01:13:26,535
Speaker 7: got existing power supply to your house, I guess when

1267
01:13:26,615 --> 01:13:29,455
Speaker 7: the power supply was connected it was designed just for

1268
01:13:29,575 --> 01:13:32,855
Speaker 7: the house. Adding a minor dwelling and then being able

1269
01:13:32,935 --> 01:13:35,935
Speaker 7: to extend the supply from the house to the minor dwelling,

1270
01:13:37,935 --> 01:13:41,975
Speaker 7: is that possible? I guess the provision within the legislation is,

1271
01:13:42,375 --> 01:13:45,215
Speaker 7: you know, it's obviously got to be done by registered electrician.

1272
01:13:45,415 --> 01:13:51,215
Speaker 7: Electricians are self certifying. I would imagine, Actually this is

1273
01:13:51,255 --> 01:13:53,415
Speaker 7: a very good question. I don't know the answer to this.

1274
01:13:53,895 --> 01:13:58,255
Speaker 7: If you're an electrician, a registered electrician, and you provided

1275
01:13:58,335 --> 01:14:02,735
Speaker 7: additional supply to a minor dwelling, would you need to

1276
01:14:02,855 --> 01:14:09,655
Speaker 7: have your work checked by an inspector? Maybe electrician could

1277
01:14:09,655 --> 01:14:12,175
Speaker 7: give me a text on that. I don't know. That'll

1278
01:14:12,215 --> 01:14:15,695
Speaker 7: be really interesting to see. Pete. Our twenty five year

1279
01:14:15,695 --> 01:14:18,855
Speaker 7: old house has wooden double glazed windows. Some moisture has

1280
01:14:18,855 --> 01:14:21,775
Speaker 7: appeared in between the glass of one window. A solution

1281
01:14:22,055 --> 01:14:24,535
Speaker 7: please chairs from on the Kapity Coast.

1282
01:14:25,255 --> 01:14:25,495
Speaker 11: John.

1283
01:14:25,615 --> 01:14:30,735
Speaker 7: It's basically replacement, so the seal between the two pieces

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Speaker 7: of glass has failed in this instance after twenty five years.

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Speaker 7: I guess it's not completely unreasonable, so it's replacement. So

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Speaker 7: it'll just be there's no there's no fix, it's just

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Speaker 7: replacement um GR ground penetrating radar as a way of

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Speaker 7: finding these sorts of services. That's thanks again, Pete the

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01:14:54,575 --> 01:14:56,735
Speaker 7: other Steve is absolutely right. We've had a number of

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01:14:56,815 --> 01:14:59,575
Speaker 7: texts from Steve's it would be best for homeowners to

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Speaker 7: get a building consent and get it signed off properly

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Speaker 7: and avoid the headaches later on. Well, people will have

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01:15:04,295 --> 01:15:08,615
Speaker 7: that choice, that's the thing. They will have that choice,

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01:15:08,895 --> 01:15:14,735
Speaker 7: and some people will still seek to exercise that choice,

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01:15:14,775 --> 01:15:17,015
Speaker 7: and other people will say no, I just I want

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Speaker 7: to crack onto it and I'll deal with the consequences

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Speaker 7: later on. But in the end it's going to be

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Speaker 7: your issue, right, no one else is responsible for it,

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Speaker 7: which I think is good and sensible. Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 7: and eighty ten eighty will take a short break. We'll

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Speaker 7: be back in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: Where DIY gets unstuck.

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Speaker 1: Call eighty the Resident Builder with Peter WILFCAM and Independent

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01:15:40,215 --> 01:15:44,615
Speaker 1: Building Supplies the Future of Kiwi Building Today News Talks B.

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Speaker 7: I was just thinking and then amongst all of the

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01:15:48,295 --> 01:15:50,855
Speaker 7: other sort of interesting, well for me anyway, interesting things

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Speaker 7: are happening this week in terms of going off and

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Speaker 7: doing some study and going to the Building Science Summit,

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Speaker 7: which was awesome, I have to say on on Friday

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Speaker 7: listening to one gentleman Hartwig is a professor of building

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01:16:05,615 --> 01:16:08,855
Speaker 7: science from an institute in Germany where they've been studying

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01:16:08,935 --> 01:16:13,295
Speaker 7: building and building performance since nineteen fifty three, so the

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Speaker 7: better part of seventy five years of data that they've

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Speaker 7: got around buildings and building performances. So in amongst all

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Speaker 7: of this kind of intellectual stuff that I've involved in,

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Speaker 7: I also got a package with a brand new pair

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Speaker 7: of boots, lightweight boots. I've never had lightweight boots in

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Speaker 7: my life, so that was kind of exciting. This is

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Speaker 7: Apex boots. Who do I've been wearing these boots for donkeys'

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Speaker 7: years and I've got a wide variety of you know,

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01:16:42,215 --> 01:16:44,775
Speaker 7: lace ups and zip ups and polons and all that

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Speaker 7: sort of thing. And then a brand spanking pair of

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01:16:47,815 --> 01:16:52,215
Speaker 7: boots lightweight ones arrived the other day the Britain, so

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Speaker 7: that was kind of exciting as well. I'll wear those

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Speaker 7: for a while. Let you know how I get on

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Speaker 7: Radio seven fifty and missus Scott. Good morning, oh, good morning,

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Speaker 7: greetings to you.

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Speaker 20: I've got a I've probably got a double decker problem.

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Speaker 20: I have a shop and it's a corner shop with

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Speaker 20: other shops on each side. Now one lot is the

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01:17:18,735 --> 01:17:21,575
Speaker 20: chemist shop and one is a fish shop. The chemist

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Speaker 20: shop has got a very big roof acreage, and they've

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Speaker 20: put new roofing on a couple of years ago, and

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Speaker 20: they have put all their water.

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Speaker 7: Connection. I remember us talking about this.

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Speaker 20: Roof attached to my downpipe on at my shop. The

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Speaker 20: result is that in a wet day, the water all

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01:17:48,055 --> 01:17:52,375
Speaker 20: doesn't get away quick enough and it all you get

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01:17:52,415 --> 01:17:55,615
Speaker 20: out of your car and you step into a little river. Yes,

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Speaker 20: now I'm wondering is this legal for other buildings to

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01:17:59,615 --> 01:18:05,255
Speaker 20: put their water coming off their roof into my downpipe?

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Speaker 7: No, of course not. I mean, you know, basically, what

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01:18:11,295 --> 01:18:14,895
Speaker 7: you catch you have to control. So if it's coming

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Speaker 7: off your roof, you can't then poke it into your

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01:18:17,295 --> 01:18:21,575
Speaker 7: neighbor's downpipe, because your neighbor in this case, you you've

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Speaker 7: already coped. You're already your building is already coping with

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Speaker 7: the water that's coming off your roof, and there's you know,

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Speaker 7: within the building Code. There's formulas for how much roof

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01:18:33,295 --> 01:18:36,495
Speaker 7: contains a certain amount of water or captures a certain amount,

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Speaker 7: which determines how many downpipes you need.

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Speaker 20: So there's well, the dome pipes they used to have

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01:18:44,375 --> 01:18:47,335
Speaker 20: actually used to run just onto the land. It didn't

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Speaker 20: go down into anything.

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Speaker 7: That's the propert the city.

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Speaker 20: Council, because it is a backyard of a shopping seat

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Speaker 20: and they've got a great grating thing in the middle,

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Speaker 20: and I thought perhaps for a start off, it might

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01:19:05,735 --> 01:19:08,735
Speaker 20: be a block from there to the road. But the

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Speaker 20: city council won't do anything about us. They won't even

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Speaker 20: have a look to see whether there is a blockage

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Speaker 20: which may cope with water.

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Speaker 7: But I'm surprised that they I'm a little bit surprised

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Speaker 7: that council wouldn't come along and have a look at

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Speaker 7: something like that, because I mean, I know that councils

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Speaker 7: often have the approach of, look, it's a civil matter,

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Speaker 7: you sort it out with your neighbors, Da da da

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Speaker 7: da da. But in this instance where you know potentially

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Speaker 7: it's causing flooding, and those sorts of things I know,

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Speaker 7: for example, in Auckland water care have actually become a

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Speaker 7: little bit more proactive. So they've got sometimes teams of

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Speaker 7: people that will go out and will actually approach homeowners

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Speaker 7: and go, hey, look, i've noticed just from the roadway

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Speaker 7: that your downpipe is not connected to anything, in which

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Speaker 7: case you've got an uncontrolled discharge. You know, have you

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Speaker 7: considered changing that?

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 7: Can we give you some information to help you figure

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Speaker 7: out a better solution for that.

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Speaker 20: So I've always understood that if you had a house,

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Speaker 20: I'm not discovering something else that you are as only

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Speaker 20: your legal for so much before the city council takes

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Speaker 20: over in your drainage.

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Speaker 7: And I can't see that being a commercial property owner

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Speaker 7: is different to being a private property owner. We've all

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01:20:37,135 --> 01:20:37,975
Speaker 7: got an obligation.

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Speaker 20: The middle of the back yard of the buildings is

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Speaker 20: a distance away from my place from my shop, but

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Speaker 20: I just wondered whether the blockage was was from there

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Speaker 20: to the street. We could have coped, but no, So okay,

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Speaker 20: that's all I need.

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Speaker 7: I think councils should be engaged in that. And look,

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Speaker 7: at the very least, if your neighbor has connected their

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Speaker 7: downpipe to your drainage, I would be going to the

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Speaker 7: lawyer and getting a cease and desist letter that basically says, hey,

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Speaker 7: you've got to change that, and you've got seven days

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Speaker 7: to do it and without it all the best, lovely

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Speaker 7: to talk with you. As always, I'm getting some great texts.

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Speaker 7: I'll try and have a crack at most of them

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Speaker 7: between now well after the news as well. Pete, I've

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Speaker 7: got a garage with a toilet and a wash base

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Speaker 7: and it's all legal and signed off. Could I add

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Speaker 7: a shower and a room? Yes, she could with a

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Speaker 7: building consent. With a building consent. The whole thing around

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Speaker 7: the granny flat's the simple standalone dwellings. It's for new construction.

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01:21:49,975 --> 01:21:55,215
Speaker 7: Anything that's existing doesn't now automatically get some exemption from

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01:21:55,295 --> 01:21:57,975
Speaker 7: having required a building consent if it needed one in

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Speaker 7: the first place. So yes, you could add a shower

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Speaker 7: and a toilet shower in a room, but you'll need

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Speaker 7: a building consent for that simple answer there, just on

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Speaker 7: the electrical one, because someone texts that through before. No

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Speaker 7: inspection's required. It's a submain from the house, basically an

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Speaker 7: extra circuit. But if a new mainz is installed from

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Speaker 7: the road then an inspection will be required. And I

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Speaker 7: presume it's up to the electrician to determine whether or

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Speaker 7: not there's sufficient supply to the house to allow for

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Speaker 7: additional supply to a minor dwelling or a stand alone, simple,

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Speaker 7: stand alone dwelling granny flat in the backyard. We'll come

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Speaker 7: back and we'll talk more about building and construction straight

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Speaker 7: after the news at.

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Speaker 1: Eight measure twice call once on eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 1: eighty the Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp and Independent

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01:22:48,855 --> 01:22:52,935
Speaker 1: Building Supplies the Future of Ken We Building Today News Talks.

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Speaker 7: There be rightio. Welcome back to the show. Pete wolf

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Speaker 7: Camp is my name, and this is a program all

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Speaker 7: about building and construction and all of the things that

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Speaker 7: are associated with it. So we've talked old villas, We've

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Speaker 7: talked drainage, we've talked living room bobs and retaining walls

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Speaker 7: and exams. I'll tell you more about that later, Veranda's

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Speaker 7: granny flats, all sorts of things this morning on the show.

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Speaker 7: We'll continue through to eight point thirty. Then we're going

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Speaker 7: to change gears. Red Climb Past will join us and

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Speaker 7: we'll talk all things gardening and the wonderful world of

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Speaker 7: bugs as well. Quick correction and thank you very much

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Speaker 7: to the person that pointed this out. I mentioned that

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Speaker 7: in Auckland there was a bit of an initiative where

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Speaker 7: essentially council people and I said water care. It's not

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Speaker 7: water Care. It's the Healthy Waters team, which is part

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Speaker 7: of Auckland Council, essentially going out and doing stormwater checks.

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01:23:42,295 --> 01:23:45,855
Speaker 7: So having a look at maybe reporting, you know, if

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Speaker 7: there's been a question from a neighbor or something like that,

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Speaker 7: or just simply going out and checking to see whether

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Speaker 7: people's houses are connected to storm water. I think it's great.

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Speaker 7: I think it's an excellent initiative, but it's healthy Waters

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01:23:59,415 --> 01:24:05,255
Speaker 7: as opposed to water Care, so different parts. Thank you

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01:24:05,375 --> 01:24:07,855
Speaker 7: very much for texting and telling me that. I'll note

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01:24:07,935 --> 01:24:11,255
Speaker 7: that down. I've got a bunch of other texts. Also,

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01:24:11,615 --> 01:24:15,575
Speaker 7: I mentioned that because I gave quite a lot of

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Speaker 7: promotion to the Devonport Tool Bazaar, which was so much fun,

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01:24:21,615 --> 01:24:23,935
Speaker 7: someone else's has reached out to me. And before I

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Speaker 7: get with the gross respect, before I get swamped by

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01:24:26,855 --> 01:24:29,775
Speaker 7: people wanting me to advertise their events, I can't do that.

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01:24:30,375 --> 01:24:32,975
Speaker 7: But I will give an exemption I suppose to this

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01:24:33,095 --> 01:24:35,855
Speaker 7: one because it relates to tools and men's sheds, which

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01:24:36,215 --> 01:24:38,495
Speaker 7: kind of close to my heart. So as it happens,

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Speaker 7: I got a delightful email from Cliff saying, hey, on

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Speaker 7: the fourteenth of March, which is next Saturday, at the

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Speaker 7: Men's Shed in Kuppa Ty there will be a garage sale.

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Speaker 7: So the Men's Shed is at let me see twenty

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Speaker 7: two b rangih Row Street in why can I Beach?

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01:24:58,175 --> 01:25:00,855
Speaker 7: The garage sale is popular. It's on from nine o'clock

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Speaker 7: till twelve thirty the men Shed in Kupity, So the

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Speaker 7: Men's Shed Coupity garage sale. Well, and you might find

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01:25:09,175 --> 01:25:10,855
Speaker 7: that you do exactly the same thing as me, which

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01:25:10,895 --> 01:25:13,135
Speaker 7: is fine, something that you didn't know you needed, but

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01:25:13,335 --> 01:25:15,695
Speaker 7: you bought it anyway, including as I did at the

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Speaker 7: devonport one a catalog from Record Record Make clamps and

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01:25:21,735 --> 01:25:24,175
Speaker 7: vices and so on. The reason I bought the catalog

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Speaker 7: is it was printed in nineteen thirty two. What I

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01:25:27,775 --> 01:25:29,935
Speaker 7: find fascinating about that, just as the side is that

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Speaker 7: many of the clamps and vices are still exactly the

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Speaker 7: same today. Anyway. That's the sort of wondrous things that

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Speaker 7: you might find at a garage sale. So the men

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Speaker 7: Shed at Company Coast Garrett sale is next Saturday. Enjoy that.

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01:25:46,975 --> 01:25:50,855
Speaker 7: I for a brief moment thought maybe I should n't

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01:25:50,855 --> 01:25:52,655
Speaker 7: it down for something like that because it sounds like

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01:25:52,695 --> 01:25:55,415
Speaker 7: a lot of fun. But I'm going to be at

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01:25:55,455 --> 01:25:59,295
Speaker 7: a building science seminar or building survey as seminar next

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01:25:59,335 --> 01:26:01,815
Speaker 7: Saturday as well, So more learning from me. Oh eight

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Speaker 7: hundred and eighty ten eighty than number to call Chris

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Speaker 7: A very good morning, Oh.

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Speaker 21: Good morning, great things. The question I have is that

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01:26:11,895 --> 01:26:15,415
Speaker 21: we have like a twelve to seventy seven square meter property.

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Speaker 21: The main house goes up a moderate rise. Now at

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Speaker 21: the back of the section, we've got approximately three hundred

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Speaker 21: and twenty square meters in looking at putting either a

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Speaker 21: grany flat or a small dwelling down the back. The

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Speaker 21: main services to the front of the section, so that's

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01:26:34,655 --> 01:26:38,815
Speaker 21: coming up the long driveway. Now down the back. I'm

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Speaker 21: not sure if there's any services down that way, So

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Speaker 21: how do we get on for putting another dwelling down

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Speaker 21: the back? So I haven't engaged in a haaritect get

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Speaker 21: the thought.

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01:26:51,095 --> 01:26:55,095
Speaker 7: So from the roadway, yeah, you're coming from the roadway.

1494
01:26:55,455 --> 01:26:58,255
Speaker 7: The existing dwelling is the first thing that you encounter

1495
01:26:58,335 --> 01:27:01,015
Speaker 7: as you go into the property, and then where you

1496
01:27:01,215 --> 01:27:03,415
Speaker 7: proposing where you've got the spear land the three hundred

1497
01:27:03,415 --> 01:27:06,175
Speaker 7: and twenty squares that's at the back of the property.

1498
01:27:06,295 --> 01:27:09,415
Speaker 7: Effectively when you're starting from the road, and that's lower,

1499
01:27:10,015 --> 01:27:12,175
Speaker 7: lower than the height of the existing building.

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01:27:13,175 --> 01:27:14,535
Speaker 2: Yeah, it slopes down.

1501
01:27:15,455 --> 01:27:15,655
Speaker 13: Yeah.

1502
01:27:15,895 --> 01:27:16,095
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1503
01:27:17,575 --> 01:27:22,535
Speaker 7: So the practical things are storm water and wastewater. How

1504
01:27:23,015 --> 01:27:26,015
Speaker 7: do if you put a toilet there, how do you

1505
01:27:26,095 --> 01:27:31,455
Speaker 7: get the outflow from the toilet to connect? Right? Yes,

1506
01:27:31,735 --> 01:27:35,495
Speaker 7: exactly what we do know about water is it typically

1507
01:27:35,575 --> 01:27:41,055
Speaker 7: doesn't go uphill. So in fact, I saw one, Yes,

1508
01:27:41,615 --> 01:27:44,375
Speaker 7: I was at a property yesterday where they'd added a

1509
01:27:44,535 --> 01:27:47,895
Speaker 7: small little cottage at the back and they had a

1510
01:27:48,775 --> 01:27:52,895
Speaker 7: their shower and toilet went into a pump and that

1511
01:27:53,095 --> 01:27:55,655
Speaker 7: pumped it up to a height that was enough to

1512
01:27:55,695 --> 01:27:58,055
Speaker 7: get gravity feet to the front. So you would need

1513
01:27:58,175 --> 01:28:01,335
Speaker 7: to do some sort of system like that. Now, doing

1514
01:28:01,415 --> 01:28:04,935
Speaker 7: that for storm water requires you know, double pumps and

1515
01:28:05,015 --> 01:28:06,255
Speaker 7: a chamber and all the rest of it.

1516
01:28:07,495 --> 01:28:07,695
Speaker 13: See.

1517
01:28:07,735 --> 01:28:11,015
Speaker 7: I think that sometimes people are just going to realize that, yes,

1518
01:28:11,095 --> 01:28:13,255
Speaker 7: you can do it, but it's going to be that

1519
01:28:13,455 --> 01:28:16,735
Speaker 7: expensive that it's not worth doing. And I wonder whether

1520
01:28:17,215 --> 01:28:20,735
Speaker 7: you might find after an initial and I'm not giving

1521
01:28:20,775 --> 01:28:22,655
Speaker 7: this as advice as to whether or not you should

1522
01:28:22,655 --> 01:28:25,455
Speaker 7: do it. But yeah, you know, in the event that

1523
01:28:25,575 --> 01:28:27,935
Speaker 7: you want a toilet that's below the level of the

1524
01:28:28,055 --> 01:28:31,735
Speaker 7: invert for your existing wastewater connection, you're going to have

1525
01:28:31,815 --> 01:28:36,015
Speaker 7: to pump that uphill, right, and that's more expensive than

1526
01:28:36,055 --> 01:28:39,335
Speaker 7: a pipe that just you know, it all just floats down,

1527
01:28:39,895 --> 01:28:41,175
Speaker 7: and you're going to have to do the same thing

1528
01:28:41,255 --> 01:28:41,895
Speaker 7: with the storm water.

1529
01:28:43,095 --> 01:28:43,335
Speaker 4: Well.

1530
01:28:43,935 --> 01:28:45,015
Speaker 13: The other thing is is that.

1531
01:28:46,975 --> 01:28:50,975
Speaker 21: To the right of our section will actually had an

1532
01:28:50,975 --> 01:28:55,535
Speaker 21: overhead up through two new dwellings in the last five years,

1533
01:28:56,415 --> 01:28:59,975
Speaker 21: so obviously I've got storm water outlet over there as well.

1534
01:29:00,175 --> 01:29:03,255
Speaker 7: That's the other possibility is that you then approach the

1535
01:29:03,335 --> 01:29:08,655
Speaker 7: neighbor about having access to through their property. So but

1536
01:29:08,895 --> 01:29:11,375
Speaker 7: that would be an easement on their title. Right now,

1537
01:29:11,415 --> 01:29:14,975
Speaker 7: there's a that's a legal process and it needs to

1538
01:29:15,015 --> 01:29:18,815
Speaker 7: be registered on the neighbour's title that you have an

1539
01:29:18,815 --> 01:29:22,215
Speaker 7: easement on that property to run stormwater and sewer through there.

1540
01:29:23,375 --> 01:29:25,655
Speaker 7: That's not going to be without costs as well.

1541
01:29:26,535 --> 01:29:28,935
Speaker 21: No, no, no, but it's another alternative.

1542
01:29:29,055 --> 01:29:31,655
Speaker 7: Is another alternative, yes, yeah, yeah.

1543
01:29:31,655 --> 01:29:40,015
Speaker 21: Which is what I'm looking for at the moment. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, great,

1544
01:29:40,095 --> 01:29:40,415
Speaker 21: thanks you.

1545
01:29:41,015 --> 01:29:43,935
Speaker 7: Take care see that And I think it was raised

1546
01:29:43,935 --> 01:29:46,855
Speaker 7: earlier the question of you know, how many properties are

1547
01:29:46,895 --> 01:29:50,095
Speaker 7: actually going to be suitable for this type of dwelling

1548
01:29:50,175 --> 01:29:53,615
Speaker 7: to be added to it? Certainly for me at home,

1549
01:29:54,335 --> 01:29:56,495
Speaker 7: you know, I could. I couldn't fit anything more than

1550
01:29:56,735 --> 01:30:00,695
Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe twenty or thirty square meters, probably

1551
01:30:00,815 --> 01:30:04,975
Speaker 7: not even that, because I just don't have a big

1552
01:30:05,055 --> 01:30:07,735
Speaker 7: enough section and it's already occupied with the house and

1553
01:30:07,775 --> 01:30:10,815
Speaker 7: a garage and a shed. But some pieces, right, But

1554
01:30:11,015 --> 01:30:14,455
Speaker 7: there will be properties around the country where, like a

1555
01:30:14,495 --> 01:30:18,415
Speaker 7: cross on a twelve hundred and seventy seven square meter section,

1556
01:30:18,855 --> 01:30:20,855
Speaker 7: there's some space at the back three hundred square met

1557
01:30:20,855 --> 01:30:22,655
Speaker 7: it's more than enough space to put a mind a

1558
01:30:22,695 --> 01:30:26,015
Speaker 7: dwelling on. So it's not going to be able to

1559
01:30:26,055 --> 01:30:28,255
Speaker 7: be done for everyone, but the estimate is that it

1560
01:30:28,935 --> 01:30:32,455
Speaker 7: could provide housing. There could be sufficient capacity to do

1561
01:30:32,615 --> 01:30:36,655
Speaker 7: about I think it's thirteen or fifteen thousand of these

1562
01:30:36,815 --> 01:30:40,215
Speaker 7: simple standalone dwellings granny flats around the country over time

1563
01:30:40,815 --> 01:30:47,375
Speaker 7: without necessarily requiring a building consent. Rightio fourteen after eight, John, greetings, Hi.

1564
01:30:47,575 --> 01:30:54,615
Speaker 16: Hello, Now I've what am I trying to say here?

1565
01:30:55,935 --> 01:30:59,935
Speaker 16: I live in a longer section and there's three houses

1566
01:31:00,015 --> 01:31:03,295
Speaker 16: on this side and there's five flats on the other

1567
01:31:03,455 --> 01:31:05,535
Speaker 16: side built in the seventies.

1568
01:31:06,615 --> 01:31:06,815
Speaker 10: Yep.

1569
01:31:07,855 --> 01:31:14,415
Speaker 16: Right on eighth of April two thy and eighteen, there

1570
01:31:14,535 --> 01:31:18,175
Speaker 16: was a huge wind on my part of the fence.

1571
01:31:17,975 --> 01:31:18,655
Speaker 14: Fell over.

1572
01:31:20,375 --> 01:31:24,295
Speaker 16: Right yep, and fair enough. It was virtually the length

1573
01:31:24,375 --> 01:31:29,655
Speaker 16: of my section, my part, So I had it replaced

1574
01:31:30,855 --> 01:31:35,575
Speaker 16: and I paid for it myself two five hundred odd dollars.

1575
01:31:36,375 --> 01:31:43,375
Speaker 16: Now that was in two thy eighteen. Now I understand

1576
01:31:43,535 --> 01:31:48,375
Speaker 16: now from a neighbor next door that the property managers

1577
01:31:49,015 --> 01:31:52,775
Speaker 16: want to replace the rest of the fence because it's

1578
01:31:52,895 --> 01:31:57,495
Speaker 16: falling a past about a plank a week, and they

1579
01:31:57,575 --> 01:31:59,335
Speaker 16: want me to pay my share.

1580
01:32:01,095 --> 01:32:03,495
Speaker 7: The section of the fence that they're replacing. Is it

1581
01:32:03,695 --> 01:32:04,575
Speaker 7: on your boundary?

1582
01:32:05,455 --> 01:32:05,495
Speaker 4: No?

1583
01:32:06,615 --> 01:32:08,255
Speaker 7: And why would they come to you and ask you

1584
01:32:08,375 --> 01:32:10,095
Speaker 7: to contribute if it's not your fence?

1585
01:32:12,055 --> 01:32:14,815
Speaker 16: Well they haven't that nobody's actually asked me, But I

1586
01:32:15,015 --> 01:32:19,855
Speaker 16: heard from from a neighbor. I don't know, but I'm

1587
01:32:19,935 --> 01:32:20,975
Speaker 16: not paying anymore.

1588
01:32:21,335 --> 01:32:25,735
Speaker 7: No, And I don't believe that you have any responsibility

1589
01:32:25,895 --> 01:32:28,695
Speaker 7: for fences that are not on your property or on

1590
01:32:28,815 --> 01:32:32,295
Speaker 7: your boundary. Right, So you've already done your bit, which

1591
01:32:32,455 --> 01:32:37,815
Speaker 7: is to replace the damaged fence. That's great, yeah, but

1592
01:32:38,455 --> 01:32:42,055
Speaker 7: you know, because your neighbor one house down, their fences

1593
01:32:42,295 --> 01:32:46,655
Speaker 7: has fallen over. Unless there's something about an easement or

1594
01:32:46,935 --> 01:32:49,855
Speaker 7: a shared boundary because of the driveway or something like that.

1595
01:32:50,535 --> 01:32:51,095
Speaker 14: I don't know.

1596
01:32:51,855 --> 01:32:53,895
Speaker 16: I can't driveway next to it.

1597
01:32:55,655 --> 01:32:58,815
Speaker 7: Yes, but is that a driveway that you use to

1598
01:32:58,975 --> 01:32:59,415
Speaker 7: access you?

1599
01:33:00,335 --> 01:33:03,455
Speaker 16: I do, but I couldn't use the driveway because the

1600
01:33:03,535 --> 01:33:04,695
Speaker 16: fence had fallen on it.

1601
01:33:05,375 --> 01:33:09,375
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you fixed your But I think look, if

1602
01:33:09,415 --> 01:33:11,735
Speaker 7: someone comes to you with a letter under the Fencing

1603
01:33:11,895 --> 01:33:16,935
Speaker 7: Act asking for a contribution to the fence, you can

1604
01:33:18,175 --> 01:33:21,255
Speaker 7: you know, you may have to comply, but I'd probably

1605
01:33:21,335 --> 01:33:23,375
Speaker 7: have a quick chat with your lawyer and just go hey,

1606
01:33:24,255 --> 01:33:27,455
Speaker 7: in this instance because it's not actually on my property,

1607
01:33:27,535 --> 01:33:29,615
Speaker 7: despite the fact that there's needsmen on the title, d

1608
01:33:29,695 --> 01:33:31,575
Speaker 7: da da da da do I do I need to?

1609
01:33:31,695 --> 01:33:34,135
Speaker 7: So look, I think a quick conversation with your lawyer

1610
01:33:34,295 --> 01:33:38,055
Speaker 7: might be a really good idea. It is seventeen minutes

1611
01:33:38,135 --> 01:33:40,655
Speaker 7: after eight. We'll talk to Bringdan straight after the.

1612
01:33:40,695 --> 01:33:44,855
Speaker 2: Break, vexing what they forgot to mention on that YouTube video.

1613
01:33:45,415 --> 01:33:49,775
Speaker 1: The Resident Builder with Peter Wilfcamp and Independent Building Supplies

1614
01:33:49,975 --> 01:33:53,295
Speaker 1: the future of Kiwi Building Today Call oh eight.

1615
01:33:54,695 --> 01:33:55,535
Speaker 2: News dogs there be.

1616
01:33:56,095 --> 01:33:59,015
Speaker 7: Well that the timing for that little promo couldn't be better.

1617
01:33:59,135 --> 01:34:02,575
Speaker 7: So talking about forgetting or picking up on the things

1618
01:34:02,615 --> 01:34:05,175
Speaker 7: that they forgot to mention on the YouTube video as

1619
01:34:05,215 --> 01:34:07,895
Speaker 7: it happens. I'm I'm doing some YouTube stuff at the moment,

1620
01:34:09,695 --> 01:34:12,735
Speaker 7: and I'm working with the team at Metro Performance Glass

1621
01:34:12,775 --> 01:34:14,615
Speaker 7: and I've done a lot of work with them on

1622
01:34:14,775 --> 01:34:17,815
Speaker 7: double glazing and so on. But it's a changing space,

1623
01:34:18,015 --> 01:34:21,615
Speaker 7: right So there's so much more information about double glazing

1624
01:34:21,735 --> 01:34:25,695
Speaker 7: and the nuances with double glazing, the coatings that you

1625
01:34:25,815 --> 01:34:29,295
Speaker 7: can apply, the orientation of it, what the outcome is

1626
01:34:29,375 --> 01:34:31,335
Speaker 7: that you want from the double glazing. So it's one

1627
01:34:31,335 --> 01:34:34,135
Speaker 7: of those things where often when we're talking about glass,

1628
01:34:35,375 --> 01:34:37,775
Speaker 7: you know, we tend to have this approach where you

1629
01:34:37,975 --> 01:34:40,815
Speaker 7: just see through it, and so it's kind of hard

1630
01:34:40,855 --> 01:34:42,855
Speaker 7: to talk about it because it's just something we are

1631
01:34:43,015 --> 01:34:46,375
Speaker 7: used to and we look through it every day, but

1632
01:34:46,655 --> 01:34:52,375
Speaker 7: the actual performance of it can be complex and requires

1633
01:34:52,375 --> 01:34:54,975
Speaker 7: a bit of unpacking anyway. So what we're doing is

1634
01:34:55,095 --> 01:34:57,615
Speaker 7: a little thing that we're calling Smarter Glass, Better Living.

1635
01:34:58,935 --> 01:35:01,775
Speaker 7: You'll find it on the YouTube channel at some stage,

1636
01:35:01,815 --> 01:35:03,495
Speaker 7: you find on their website, you find it on my

1637
01:35:03,735 --> 01:35:07,255
Speaker 7: YouTube channel as well, So it's kind of looking at

1638
01:35:07,295 --> 01:35:11,695
Speaker 7: things like how the double glazing works, it's impact on conversation,

1639
01:35:12,015 --> 01:35:14,615
Speaker 7: on warmth, on acoustic performance. All of these sorts of

1640
01:35:14,695 --> 01:35:18,695
Speaker 7: things are kind of demystifying double glazing. So check it

1641
01:35:18,735 --> 01:35:23,055
Speaker 7: out Better Living, sorry, smarter Glass, Better Living, and I'll

1642
01:35:23,175 --> 01:35:24,975
Speaker 7: bring you up to date as we release more and

1643
01:35:25,095 --> 01:35:28,375
Speaker 7: more videos onto the old YouTube over time. Twenty two

1644
01:35:28,415 --> 01:35:33,215
Speaker 7: minutes after eight Brendan Greetings to you, Greetings to you, Hey.

1645
01:35:33,215 --> 01:35:37,135
Speaker 9: Babe, I just wanted to ask a question. We're looking

1646
01:35:37,175 --> 01:35:41,535
Speaker 9: at doing an olderation on an old sixties cottage, which

1647
01:35:41,535 --> 01:35:48,735
Speaker 9: is fiftew square meters. Now we have six piles timber

1648
01:35:48,775 --> 01:35:51,855
Speaker 9: piles or a place because they're rotten. But when they

1649
01:35:52,575 --> 01:35:55,815
Speaker 9: left the house they said they couldn't lift it much

1650
01:35:55,975 --> 01:35:58,695
Speaker 9: further up because of the time group throwing would split.

1651
01:36:00,135 --> 01:36:04,535
Speaker 9: Now we've got two other rows of piles, which obviously

1652
01:36:04,655 --> 01:36:09,095
Speaker 9: will need to drop down. What kaikers the minimum off

1653
01:36:09,175 --> 01:36:10,055
Speaker 9: the ground you can go.

1654
01:36:13,255 --> 01:36:15,055
Speaker 7: I just want to go back a step so the

1655
01:36:15,135 --> 01:36:17,655
Speaker 7: people who are doing the repiling, how you might not

1656
01:36:17,735 --> 01:36:19,535
Speaker 7: want to turn your radio off because I can I

1657
01:36:19,615 --> 01:36:24,855
Speaker 7: can hear in the background. I'm just a little bit

1658
01:36:24,895 --> 01:36:27,375
Speaker 7: intrigued about the advice that you got from the people

1659
01:36:27,455 --> 01:36:31,055
Speaker 7: doing the repiling. What they're saying is so typically houses

1660
01:36:31,055 --> 01:36:33,255
Speaker 7: when they're built, the floor is flat and then it's

1661
01:36:33,415 --> 01:36:36,735
Speaker 7: it's sunk over time, and the repiling is going to

1662
01:36:37,015 --> 01:36:39,775
Speaker 7: bring that back up to level. And what they're saying

1663
01:36:39,855 --> 01:36:41,615
Speaker 7: is that if we bring it back up to level,

1664
01:36:41,815 --> 01:36:45,055
Speaker 7: the tongue and groove's going to split. I'm not sure

1665
01:36:45,135 --> 01:36:46,255
Speaker 7: that that's true.

1666
01:36:47,615 --> 01:36:52,815
Speaker 9: Right, Okay, we've already had it done because they were

1667
01:36:53,495 --> 01:36:57,135
Speaker 9: pretty rotten than the house was a lean. We've got

1668
01:36:57,495 --> 01:37:02,455
Speaker 9: the outside piles we done. The middle pile is about

1669
01:37:02,735 --> 01:37:07,735
Speaker 9: one hundred milis higher there the row of sex. So

1670
01:37:07,855 --> 01:37:09,455
Speaker 9: we're just trying to work out how do we make

1671
01:37:09,495 --> 01:37:12,455
Speaker 9: the house level so that we can then do the alteration.

1672
01:37:13,495 --> 01:37:16,615
Speaker 9: Would we be looking at either getting.

1673
01:37:16,415 --> 01:37:18,895
Speaker 7: Why do I think that middle row is at that

1674
01:37:19,095 --> 01:37:21,135
Speaker 7: height and the rest is lower? Do you think that

1675
01:37:21,255 --> 01:37:24,255
Speaker 7: that middle row is the original height of the floor

1676
01:37:24,735 --> 01:37:28,415
Speaker 7: and everything's moved or is there something happening that causes

1677
01:37:28,495 --> 01:37:33,295
Speaker 7: that to rise, which theoretically as possible, but it's very unlikely.

1678
01:37:34,255 --> 01:37:36,615
Speaker 9: Yeah, they put a laser level when I had look

1679
01:37:36,695 --> 01:37:39,655
Speaker 9: under the house and it was definitely at least one

1680
01:37:39,735 --> 01:37:43,775
Speaker 9: hundred mil. It need to come down like one hundred mil.

1681
01:37:45,295 --> 01:37:48,295
Speaker 9: But obviously we're on a sloping section, and so at

1682
01:37:48,335 --> 01:37:52,975
Speaker 9: the top of the house, because seven minutes wide, it's

1683
01:37:53,055 --> 01:37:55,415
Speaker 9: got to drop it down to bring it a level.

1684
01:37:55,615 --> 01:37:58,775
Speaker 9: But that's just looking at what they're I just.

1685
01:38:01,615 --> 01:38:06,455
Speaker 7: Theoretically, I understand that maybe a house rises, but I

1686
01:38:06,535 --> 01:38:13,255
Speaker 7: think it's incredibly unlikely. Right, So I think my assumption

1687
01:38:13,335 --> 01:38:16,655
Speaker 7: would be that that level, the highest part of your house,

1688
01:38:16,855 --> 01:38:19,855
Speaker 7: is where the house always was, and everything else has

1689
01:38:20,015 --> 01:38:23,775
Speaker 7: slumped from there subsided, in which case those things can

1690
01:38:23,895 --> 01:38:27,175
Speaker 7: be bought up to that level rather than that level

1691
01:38:27,255 --> 01:38:28,775
Speaker 7: being reduced in some way.

1692
01:38:29,895 --> 01:38:34,735
Speaker 9: Right, Okay, So would that mean that have to go

1693
01:38:35,055 --> 01:38:40,135
Speaker 9: jack the bearers to bring that rather than natural you know,

1694
01:38:40,255 --> 01:38:42,015
Speaker 9: the bottom plate of such.

1695
01:38:42,535 --> 01:38:42,695
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1696
01:38:42,735 --> 01:38:45,855
Speaker 7: Absolutely, And it's you know, like one of the things

1697
01:38:46,015 --> 01:38:50,335
Speaker 7: with older houses, if it's got a chimney, typically flows

1698
01:38:51,055 --> 01:38:53,255
Speaker 7: sort of connect to the chimney, and that's often what

1699
01:38:53,375 --> 01:38:57,335
Speaker 7: I'd call the datum. That's zero level, right, that's the

1700
01:38:57,415 --> 01:38:59,375
Speaker 7: original height of the floor, and then you just work

1701
01:38:59,415 --> 01:39:01,935
Speaker 7: off that and bring everything back up to there. Now,

1702
01:39:02,735 --> 01:39:06,535
Speaker 7: I also from practical experience, get that, you know, not

1703
01:39:06,655 --> 01:39:08,695
Speaker 7: everything has to be dead flat. There's a little bit

1704
01:39:08,735 --> 01:39:10,935
Speaker 7: of you can humor some things and so on. So

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01:39:11,455 --> 01:39:14,335
Speaker 7: you might find that you get it within a certain range,

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01:39:14,375 --> 01:39:16,855
Speaker 7: and then you go, that's good enough. But the idea

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01:39:16,935 --> 01:39:20,495
Speaker 7: of lowering the floor to match the other parts, there's

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01:39:20,655 --> 01:39:23,415
Speaker 7: just something about that that doesn't really make sense to me.

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01:39:23,575 --> 01:39:26,495
Speaker 7: I would go, the highest part is the original bit,

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01:39:26,575 --> 01:39:27,975
Speaker 7: and everything comes up to there.

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01:39:28,975 --> 01:39:32,015
Speaker 9: Okay, well that's great. Okay, well I'll look into it

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01:39:32,095 --> 01:39:33,855
Speaker 9: and if we can get jacked up a bit.

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01:39:33,815 --> 01:39:37,575
Speaker 7: More, yeah, absolutely, And within a range like up to

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01:39:37,615 --> 01:39:42,175
Speaker 7: one hundred millimeters, you can actually chock and block basically,

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01:39:43,015 --> 01:39:46,015
Speaker 7: so disconnect the bearer from the existing pile, lift the

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01:39:46,055 --> 01:39:48,855
Speaker 7: building up on the bearers, and then put a block

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01:39:49,015 --> 01:39:52,255
Speaker 7: in there. That's permissible for a certain number, for a

1718
01:39:52,335 --> 01:39:55,695
Speaker 7: certain height. It's within the building code as well. Otherwise

1719
01:39:55,775 --> 01:39:57,935
Speaker 7: you should be replacing those piles as well.

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01:39:58,855 --> 01:40:04,775
Speaker 9: Okay, well, the metal piles are one hundred somewhere obviously repiled.

1721
01:40:05,055 --> 01:40:07,655
Speaker 9: We bought the place. Well, they need to be changed

1722
01:40:07,655 --> 01:40:10,575
Speaker 9: when they go for a building consent, not if.

1723
01:40:10,495 --> 01:40:13,015
Speaker 7: They're the original ones like one hundred five hundred doesn't

1724
01:40:13,015 --> 01:40:15,055
Speaker 7: comply with the current building code. It needs to be

1725
01:40:15,055 --> 01:40:17,135
Speaker 7: a minimum of one twenty five by one twenty five.

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01:40:17,655 --> 01:40:23,575
Speaker 7: But if it's existing then and you're simply doing repairs

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01:40:23,575 --> 01:40:26,855
Speaker 7: and maintenance on your existing piles, they could be left there.

1728
01:40:27,255 --> 01:40:30,295
Speaker 7: But if as part of your building consent you might

1729
01:40:30,375 --> 01:40:32,815
Speaker 7: have to introduce some brace piles and that sort of thing.

1730
01:40:33,215 --> 01:40:35,615
Speaker 7: They'll need to be to the current code. They'll need

1731
01:40:35,695 --> 01:40:37,895
Speaker 7: to be a certain depth in the ground like typically

1732
01:40:38,015 --> 01:40:41,255
Speaker 7: nine hundred mill down and then braces attached to them,

1733
01:40:41,255 --> 01:40:45,775
Speaker 7: et cetera. Awesome, Thanks, all right, nice chatting all the best. Yeah,

1734
01:40:45,855 --> 01:40:49,015
Speaker 7: take care, interesting one, right, yoh, well, it's been fun

1735
01:40:49,175 --> 01:40:52,175
Speaker 7: talking building construction and a little bit about the study

1736
01:40:52,215 --> 01:40:54,855
Speaker 7: that I've been doing. Right, let's change gear. We're going

1737
01:40:54,935 --> 01:40:56,255
Speaker 7: to take a break. We're going to come back with

1738
01:40:56,335 --> 01:40:58,455
Speaker 7: a red climb past in just a moment. If you

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01:40:58,775 --> 01:41:03,175
Speaker 7: have questions of a building of a gardening nature or

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