1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,027 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:15,667 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoons, which hat to James mcconey who was in 4 00:00:15,747 --> 00:00:20,227 Speaker 2: the ACC commentary box last night for that one. You've 5 00:00:20,227 --> 00:00:23,267 Speaker 2: given it the overnight test. How are you feeling? 6 00:00:24,147 --> 00:00:25,787 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we took it well on the night at 7 00:00:25,827 --> 00:00:28,547 Speaker 3: the ACC Pony, although we did flip most of the 8 00:00:28,627 --> 00:00:32,787 Speaker 3: desks that endzed ME headquarters in Central Auckland there, so 9 00:00:32,907 --> 00:00:37,507 Speaker 3: apologize to ZB colleagues. But look, I was actually kind 10 00:00:37,507 --> 00:00:40,187 Speaker 3: of vaguely happy about it because I just loved the 11 00:00:40,227 --> 00:00:44,027 Speaker 3: way South Africa played. It was Champagne rugby playing in 12 00:00:44,067 --> 00:00:46,187 Speaker 3: the style that was kind of longed for. A lot 13 00:00:46,227 --> 00:00:49,467 Speaker 3: of your callers are getting nostalgic on the line, just 14 00:00:49,467 --> 00:00:51,547 Speaker 3: saying I remember when the All Blacks played that way, 15 00:00:51,547 --> 00:00:53,947 Speaker 3: and so as a rugby fan, I was thinking, yeah, play, 16 00:00:54,227 --> 00:00:56,187 Speaker 3: I loved it. Yeah. 17 00:00:56,907 --> 00:00:58,867 Speaker 2: You have to be happy for South Africa, don't you, 18 00:00:58,907 --> 00:01:01,587 Speaker 2: because they were terrific and their fans, I mean, their 19 00:01:01,587 --> 00:01:04,827 Speaker 2: fans are so cool last week in Auckland, again in 20 00:01:04,867 --> 00:01:09,187 Speaker 2: Wellington last night. Like us, they love their rugby team. 21 00:01:09,507 --> 00:01:12,707 Speaker 2: They love playing against us as we love playing against them. 22 00:01:13,067 --> 00:01:14,907 Speaker 2: You can't help but be happy for them. 23 00:01:15,267 --> 00:01:17,587 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they showed us this pace and power that 24 00:01:17,587 --> 00:01:20,067 Speaker 3: they've got, but also picking their moments, it was a 25 00:01:20,067 --> 00:01:23,547 Speaker 3: lot of enterprise show and it wasn't boring the style. Yeah, 26 00:01:23,547 --> 00:01:26,187 Speaker 3: they were the old the box kicks. By the way, 27 00:01:26,547 --> 00:01:29,307 Speaker 3: box kicking isn't that hard. Get out there. If you've 28 00:01:29,307 --> 00:01:31,547 Speaker 3: got a young half back in your household, get him 29 00:01:31,547 --> 00:01:34,147 Speaker 3: out there. Just kick it really hard in the belly 30 00:01:34,187 --> 00:01:36,307 Speaker 3: of the ball, right in that sweet spot. I mean, 31 00:01:36,347 --> 00:01:39,347 Speaker 3: most of your teammates down at Tawa Football Club could 32 00:01:39,347 --> 00:01:42,267 Speaker 3: probably box kick pony. It isn't that hard. Get some 33 00:01:42,307 --> 00:01:45,587 Speaker 3: elevation on it. Look at videos of Connor Murray. We 34 00:01:45,707 --> 00:01:49,307 Speaker 3: need to get better at that skill. But I digress. 35 00:01:50,507 --> 00:01:53,707 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that, have you boxed Kip 36 00:01:53,747 --> 00:01:54,347 Speaker 3: by the way, pony? 37 00:01:54,387 --> 00:01:55,107 Speaker 2: Have you? No? 38 00:01:55,107 --> 00:01:55,187 Speaker 1: No? 39 00:01:55,347 --> 00:01:58,067 Speaker 2: Well I I no, no. 40 00:02:00,907 --> 00:02:02,867 Speaker 3: We need to get better at that skill. But what 41 00:02:02,987 --> 00:02:05,427 Speaker 3: what Rassi has done is he's at least the dragon 42 00:02:05,507 --> 00:02:07,907 Speaker 3: because these younger asked the backs from South Africa that 43 00:02:07,947 --> 00:02:10,907 Speaker 3: he picked for this week, if they keep stay together 44 00:02:11,347 --> 00:02:14,307 Speaker 3: with Tony Brown helping them, you know, sort of pulling 45 00:02:14,347 --> 00:02:16,867 Speaker 3: some strings, that it could make them unbeatable for the 46 00:02:16,947 --> 00:02:20,507 Speaker 3: next World cup and they knew the Orblecks would keep kicking, 47 00:02:20,507 --> 00:02:23,587 Speaker 3: and they suddenly decided to counterattack, and it shocked us 48 00:02:23,627 --> 00:02:27,347 Speaker 3: to our core. And that was that was kind of concerning. 49 00:02:27,347 --> 00:02:29,627 Speaker 3: And the other thing I did notice is that look 50 00:02:29,667 --> 00:02:33,107 Speaker 3: gainsmanship was kind of funny really because the refs had 51 00:02:33,107 --> 00:02:35,667 Speaker 3: no more drama. He pulled them both captains aside, no 52 00:02:35,747 --> 00:02:39,987 Speaker 3: more silly buggers, and straight away Jasper Visa tackled Jordie 53 00:02:39,987 --> 00:02:42,987 Speaker 3: straighter after the whistle, and I was quite amused by 54 00:02:42,987 --> 00:02:45,587 Speaker 3: that because they really know how to get under our skin, 55 00:02:45,667 --> 00:02:46,627 Speaker 3: and fair play to them. 56 00:02:47,227 --> 00:02:49,547 Speaker 2: I thought Leroy Carter had a pretty good debut. 57 00:02:49,667 --> 00:02:53,707 Speaker 3: What did you think, yep, Lero was best on field 58 00:02:53,707 --> 00:02:57,747 Speaker 3: for us? You know, he actually sparked a lot of 59 00:02:57,787 --> 00:03:00,187 Speaker 3: our attack. And one thing that did concern me though, 60 00:03:00,267 --> 00:03:02,667 Speaker 3: with you know, a couple of times we had what 61 00:03:02,907 --> 00:03:05,667 Speaker 3: it looked like overlaps, and I guess not all overlaps 62 00:03:05,707 --> 00:03:08,547 Speaker 3: are created because of how good Covet defense is, but 63 00:03:09,107 --> 00:03:12,307 Speaker 3: why not explore it? Why not take that extra twenty 64 00:03:12,387 --> 00:03:14,867 Speaker 3: or thirty yards meet is that you can get out 65 00:03:14,907 --> 00:03:17,787 Speaker 3: wide in that channel and then see what happens. But 66 00:03:18,227 --> 00:03:20,107 Speaker 3: you know, a couple of times I think we decided 67 00:03:20,147 --> 00:03:22,227 Speaker 3: to check or hold on to it, and I just 68 00:03:22,267 --> 00:03:24,827 Speaker 3: sort of think maybe their impulses or their decision making, 69 00:03:25,147 --> 00:03:29,107 Speaker 3: something's going on with the overall strategy. And even listening 70 00:03:29,147 --> 00:03:33,827 Speaker 3: to Jason Ryan, that was quite revealing because it doesn't 71 00:03:33,827 --> 00:03:36,667 Speaker 3: sound like everyone's on the same page that he wasn't 72 00:03:36,667 --> 00:03:39,507 Speaker 3: happy with the kicking game. But the one other thing 73 00:03:39,547 --> 00:03:42,307 Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about was was selection 74 00:03:42,427 --> 00:03:47,227 Speaker 3: pinty or signing players, because you know, Mark Talire, why 75 00:03:47,267 --> 00:03:50,827 Speaker 3: do we ever let him go? There needs to be 76 00:03:51,227 --> 00:03:55,307 Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of I guess conjecture around 77 00:03:55,387 --> 00:03:57,667 Speaker 3: him leaving, but you know, do we just make the 78 00:03:57,707 --> 00:04:00,107 Speaker 3: call because of his age or something? But you know, 79 00:04:00,547 --> 00:04:04,747 Speaker 3: with the South Africans, Rassi, he knows who he wants. 80 00:04:04,147 --> 00:04:07,547 Speaker 3: He's He's not saying to like a Smith, Malcolm Marx 81 00:04:07,627 --> 00:04:10,147 Speaker 3: or Peter Steph the toy who are all playing in Japan. 82 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:12,507 Speaker 3: He's not saying, hey, you guys did have a good 83 00:04:12,507 --> 00:04:15,707 Speaker 3: game against Tsheba, I'm not picking you for the Test series. 84 00:04:15,747 --> 00:04:18,747 Speaker 3: He knows exactly what he wants and so I wonder 85 00:04:18,747 --> 00:04:22,827 Speaker 3: where the Rais are. On the other hand, the past 86 00:04:22,827 --> 00:04:24,987 Speaker 3: two years of Super rugby that he's watched he's watched 87 00:04:24,987 --> 00:04:27,667 Speaker 3: the Blues dominating the first year and they were actually 88 00:04:27,667 --> 00:04:30,787 Speaker 3: pretty good in the second year with four dominance. How 89 00:04:30,787 --> 00:04:33,667 Speaker 3: many Blues are in our forward pack, well, zero. 90 00:04:35,307 --> 00:04:37,547 Speaker 2: And you're right, it'll open up. It will open up 91 00:04:37,547 --> 00:04:39,867 Speaker 2: the conversation about picking off short players again. And we 92 00:04:39,907 --> 00:04:41,227 Speaker 2: don't have time to go and do that today. 93 00:04:41,267 --> 00:04:41,987 Speaker 3: But I. 94 00:04:44,067 --> 00:04:46,987 Speaker 2: Mentioned before, twenty eight of the forty three points scored 95 00:04:47,027 --> 00:04:49,027 Speaker 2: by South Africo last night was scored by players who 96 00:04:49,027 --> 00:04:52,347 Speaker 2: play in Japan. You know it ain't no soft league anymore, 97 00:04:52,387 --> 00:04:52,627 Speaker 2: is it. 98 00:04:53,187 --> 00:04:55,707 Speaker 3: No, we're letting players go up there, you know, Shannon Fraze, 99 00:04:55,707 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 3: I know we're getting Richie Moore on the back, but 100 00:04:57,827 --> 00:05:00,187 Speaker 3: I understand that we can't compete with money. But I 101 00:05:00,227 --> 00:05:03,787 Speaker 3: think the Mark Tale decision, I think was baffling for me, 102 00:05:03,867 --> 00:05:07,307 Speaker 3: and also keeping Hoskinstitutu out of the team last year 103 00:05:07,387 --> 00:05:10,227 Speaker 3: has really come back to bite them because Jaspavisa, who 104 00:05:10,267 --> 00:05:13,587 Speaker 3: played an incredible game at number eight, similar dimensions, a 105 00:05:13,667 --> 00:05:17,347 Speaker 3: big body just dominating and getting front football. Well, wouldn't 106 00:05:17,387 --> 00:05:19,267 Speaker 3: you want that? You've got a guy playing today for 107 00:05:19,627 --> 00:05:23,067 Speaker 3: County's monycode down in the cargo by the way, Just 108 00:05:23,147 --> 00:05:25,987 Speaker 3: side note, tell you a news team. Apparently that Countyes 109 00:05:26,027 --> 00:05:28,787 Speaker 3: team had to travel by bus from christ Church to 110 00:05:28,867 --> 00:05:32,507 Speaker 3: in the cargo and got there after midnight last night. 111 00:05:32,627 --> 00:05:36,707 Speaker 3: So that is an eight hour bus ride before a 112 00:05:36,747 --> 00:05:37,627 Speaker 3: big rugby game. 113 00:05:38,867 --> 00:05:44,067 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's problem. Well do you know why no flights? 114 00:05:44,547 --> 00:05:47,507 Speaker 3: I'm not sure why, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened, 115 00:05:47,547 --> 00:05:51,347 Speaker 3: So it's worth someone asking afterwards. And look, I mean, 116 00:05:51,547 --> 00:05:54,107 Speaker 3: I just think decision making is big for me, poney, 117 00:05:54,107 --> 00:05:56,907 Speaker 3: and I feel sorry for Billy Proctical. He threw a 118 00:05:57,027 --> 00:06:00,987 Speaker 3: really shocking intercept, got faked out by Cheslin, who sort 119 00:06:00,987 --> 00:06:03,267 Speaker 3: of you know, happens in touch with somebody fakes the 120 00:06:03,347 --> 00:06:06,507 Speaker 3: touch and goes to the decept of vice versa. But 121 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:09,347 Speaker 3: you know, selling a dummy is sometimes a good thing. 122 00:06:09,427 --> 00:06:11,307 Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with the old double cump, you know, 123 00:06:12,827 --> 00:06:13,267 Speaker 3: there isn't. 124 00:06:13,307 --> 00:06:14,867 Speaker 2: Indeed, Hey, I've only got about a minute to go. 125 00:06:15,707 --> 00:06:18,027 Speaker 2: Can you cover warriors and black ferns in that time? 126 00:06:19,507 --> 00:06:22,467 Speaker 3: Probably not? And I think the Worries we actually spoke 127 00:06:22,507 --> 00:06:23,867 Speaker 3: about it last week. I thought they were going to 128 00:06:23,907 --> 00:06:26,307 Speaker 3: go down to the Panthers. That it's a bridge too far, 129 00:06:26,467 --> 00:06:29,907 Speaker 3: losing metcalf by, I met all that sort of leadership 130 00:06:29,947 --> 00:06:32,267 Speaker 3: and direction out of the team though they punched above 131 00:06:32,307 --> 00:06:34,387 Speaker 3: their weights. So not a bad season this year. So 132 00:06:34,867 --> 00:06:37,467 Speaker 3: and then the Black Ferns getting shocked by South Africa 133 00:06:37,547 --> 00:06:41,267 Speaker 3: ten all at halftime. Just the class coming through and 134 00:06:41,987 --> 00:06:45,427 Speaker 3: here we can all enjoy the Black Ferns march because 135 00:06:45,427 --> 00:06:48,707 Speaker 3: I think you know they're on track for something special. 136 00:06:48,747 --> 00:06:51,947 Speaker 3: But England and Canada at full strength will be tough 137 00:06:51,987 --> 00:06:52,267 Speaker 3: to beat. 138 00:06:53,067 --> 00:06:55,867 Speaker 2: Great to chat as always, James, thanks for joining us. 139 00:06:55,907 --> 00:06:57,387 Speaker 2: We'll do it again next Sunday. 140 00:06:57,427 --> 00:07:01,987 Speaker 3: Eh, cheers mate, good good in the background on TV, 141 00:07:02,027 --> 00:07:02,627 Speaker 3: you're looking great. 142 00:07:04,427 --> 00:07:08,747 Speaker 2: You need to need to zoom in, Thanks James. 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