WEBVTT - "Have You Ever Had A 5-Day Hangover?" 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.400 Live from the Export Beer Garden Studios and brought to 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.439 you by Export Ultra the beer to get you through. 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:09.080 A five day hangover. This is the Agenda. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:10.360 Podcast for the first of October. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.480 The Agenda Podcast, the home of sporting nonsense and clap Trap, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.320 brought to you my Export Vulture. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:20.759 Morning, Jeremy, Morning, Mike. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:21.320 How are you? 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.760 I don't I'm gonna be honest, worse than yesterday. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:26.920 Yeah, I know the feeling, so am I. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.840 Yeah, it's we landed on Friday. It is Tuesday now, 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.159 and I'm just wondering when it's going. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.800 To get better. Yeah. I think what happens is when 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.400 you go away to Europe for seven days, and we 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.199 went for seven days. We're on the ground for seven days. Yeah, 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.000 was it six? Six nights? 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:45.600 Seven days? 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.440 Yeah, that's not many. So by the time you arrive 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.000 after your twenty seven hour flight, and before we start 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:54.120 talking about this, a lot of people will go, we'll 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.600 be saying crime a river. Oh, but before you And 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.040 I'm not complaining about the trip. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.280 I'm not. I'm like, it's worth it. This pain is 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:01.600 worth you. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.839 I'll enjoy it. But just say that when you arrive 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.080 after a twenty seven hour flight, and then you immediately 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.640 on day one tack right into proceedings within hours of 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.400 landing and not stop and then not stop that first 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:16.880 night there was not a lot of sleep. The second 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.559 night you really got some terrible jet lag. You're still 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.760 on the time clock from New Zealand, which is twelve 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.320 hours a round about, so you've reversed the day and night, 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.000 and then you go through the day and then you 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.160 go through the night and you don't stop drinking for 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.360 seven hours, sorry, seven days, and then you get on 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:39.479 another flight and then you make your way home twenty 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.920 seven hours and then you're back into it again. You 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.440 really haven't had time to adjust to the first part 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:46.480 of the trip, which is going over to Europe. You've 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.360 probably just got used to it when you get back 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:49.800 on the plane to come back to New Zealand. And 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.520 then at that point your body goes, oh, wait, hold 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.840 on here. What you are doing to me is not 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:00.200 good and it really punishes you. So basically got says 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.360 I'm shutting down. To that, I'm shutting down, I'm sick. Yeah, 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:04.400 and talk me through. 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.720 Did you had a few issues on the flight home 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:07.480 with your underwear? 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.760 I did you? 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:10.960 What did you do? With that underwear. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:12.880 Did you just check it out? Did you? Did you 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.320 revive it? I put it in the wash and it 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.000 made the whole wash smell, so I had to put 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.880 the wash through again and have another go. But I 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.680 I had isshoes, like I mean, I'm getting old, and 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.240 I just realized I was having a lot of isshoes. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.560 I mean, I had some kind of leakage nasal and fiction. Up, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.639 I'll start from the top of gaze and fiction. I'm 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:39.400 blind now. I had a nasal in fiction, which was. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.200 Terrible for when you're flying with with your ears blocking 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.119 and then go down through the throat there was very 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:50.000 sore throat for some reason, terrible, and then the lung 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.760 seemed to be fine, although I did smoke two cigarettes 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:53.600 fallows away. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.919 Just the two on a fierce wheel yep, stupid idea. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.920 And then going down through the downstairs area, I was 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.440 actually okay through that. I think my guts were fine. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.800 You got your heir. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:07.760 Is shoes there. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.440 I was fine there. And then I turns out I 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:16.280 got terrible chafing in around the back passage, which I've 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:20.000 never had before. But I blame I blame chick. I 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.320 blame checking out of the hotel in the morning, wandering 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.799 around in Munich all day, going to Hitler's favorite restaurant, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.280 going to Hitler's favorite restaurant, his favorite Italian restaurant in Munich. 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:30.919 I can see why it was his favorite. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:35.240 Beautiful ravioli, Yeah, lovely, good service too. And then getting 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.240 on a plane at ten thirty at night, twenty seven 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:41.240 hours flying back to New Zealand. Yeah, without a change 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.160 of undies, without the sweating going on. There was hot 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.320 inside inside of the Munich. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.320 Yeah, oh my god. I didn't know if it was 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:50.320 us or whether it was hot. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:51.960 I was looking around for other people to see if 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.240 they were sweating as much as we were, but I 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:54.880 didn't see many. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.680 I was having some problems in that airport. I've gotta 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.880 be honest with you. But the low point came for 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.360 me when we were flying back, just before we landed 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.360 and Dubai. I had rock bottom. At that point, I lost, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.840 I lost everything I had and you still such a 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:12.600 sore bum like. It was so the chafing was so intense. 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.760 I had a rash and I had a bung me. 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.600 Everything was wrong, every part of my body. But I 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.160 think is I'll do it all over again. I would 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:24.640 get on a plane tomorrow to do that again. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.279 It was a great trip throughout three days in Amsterdam, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.800 three days in Munich, and we're gonna we'll probably put 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:31.040 this to be. 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:31.960 We won't talk about it. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.320 Anymore because we have talked about it for a couple 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.760 of days now. But we need to look forward now 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.839 to twenty twenty five because we're going to do these 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.760 beer garden tours with the Export Ultra every year, so. 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:44.600 We need to somehow. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.960 We had Paris for the Rugby World Cup, then we 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.160 had went to October fish via Amsterdam. We're going to 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.920 find something that's going to top that for twenty twenty five. 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.240 Can anything top that? Well, I don't know where. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:56.480 We'll throw it out to the audience. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.279 I guess jump on, let us let us know on 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.760 three two, three six, or maybe a talkback function. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:01.240 Let us know. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.960 But and then we'll work it out and see where 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:04.760 it takes us. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.239 Something Stateside perhaps, Yeah, Texas. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.520 I was thinking maybe barbecue. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.520 Get to the Home of the barbecue, the pit fire barbecue. 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.120 Does it have to be in September? 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.039 It kind of yet? Does it has to be in 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.160 that kind of end of year? 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:22.039 October September October time, So that's the only prerequisite. So 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.240 if any events going on around that time, that would 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.240 be good. Yep, So let us know if we have 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:28.560 I don't know it. We're just gonna have to be 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:29.960 a pretty year bic trip to top that one. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:30.360 Man. 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.239 Yeah, totally. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.200 We took twelve great New Zealanders with us as well, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.159 which was which is you know, a look to take 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.360 even more next year hopefully. Really Yeah, it's a very 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.160 sort after trip, Jeremy, very sought after. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:44.240 I understand why. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.479 I mean, you could see, you could see the vengeance 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.720 that Matt Heath took on us on us yesterday when 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.440 he pennedes up his revenge article about us leaving him behind. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.080 But he I think he would have had a kindred 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:57.839 spirit in Phil from Taranaki. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.480 They would have just slept together. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:01.680 They would have just drunk a few beers and then 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.239 quietly slipped on each other's shoulder for most of the trip. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.839 I've never seen someone have such severe, such a severe 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.560 case of drinking narcolepsy in my life. I mean, he 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.839 got to a certain point, Phil and then his body 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:13.560 just shut down. 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.440 Trying to wake him up was very hard. 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.240 I did you see Callum who was his travel partner. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.520 It's smacking him around the head, punching. 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:25.480 Him in the face. Nothing from Phil, just absolutely nothing. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.200 But he could not get him out of a cab though, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.480 because he was a dead weight and he was a 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:36.600 reasonably sturdy fellow for Great New Zealander, but very sleepy. Yeah, 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.320 but I enjoyed. I enjoyed Callum and Phil. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:44.560 I enjoyed Tom and James yep, till Tom yep, good guys, yep. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.400 And then we enjoyed mal We just heard mal Mail 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.160 came back first broken confirmed. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.240 She's in a cast. She's in a cast. Scafoid bone, Yeah, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:54.000 she's in her cast. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.800 She had a bit of a tumble at Beer Feist, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.800 so she's got a little souvenir from for the next 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:00.560 five for six weeks. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.120 Did you say she had a tumble or would you 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:03.800 say that one of the other one of the other 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:04.880 winners fell on her. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.440 Either or I think both. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.800 Anyway, we'll take a quick break and we'll come back 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.400 and talk some actual kind of sport. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:14.480 Okay. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.320 I don't know if you have you seen this Jerry around. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.520 Johnny six Pest has released a book. John Johnny Sexton, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:24.680 the former Irish first five eight has released a book 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.000 and as most books are looking for some headlines, and 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.520 he's dug up the semi final of the Rugby World 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.280 Cup from last year again. Can you remember that at 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.960 the final whistle him and ricco Yoanni went. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:37.200 Win at each other for a little bit. 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:38.000 Can you remember that? 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:38.400 I do? 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:38.800 Yeah? 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:39.840 What were they talking about? 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.760 Well, he's he's released it in his book, and to me, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.640 it's a bit moany for me, I'd s like harden up. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.840 Anyway, what happened was the penalty. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.880 Sam Whitelock over the top of the ball got the penalty. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:53.920 He's obviously still disputes it in his book. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.040 It was in a penalty whatever, fuck off. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.600 And ricca Yoanni said, get ten meters back mate, it's 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.960 a penalty. He says, back ten, back ten, and just 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.400 like was basically saying get out of here, mate, and 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.119 then Barnes blows the final whistle when they kick it out, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.560 and then Rica Joannie says, don't miss your flight tomorrow, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:13.960 enjoy your retirement. 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:14.440 You can't. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:21.040 Oh okay, And Johnny Sexton said, so much for the 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:25.160 All Blacks famous no dickheads policy, so much for their humility. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.720 I walk, I chase after Yannie and call them a 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.800 fake humble fucker, which I think is a pretty bad comeback. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.120 It doesn't look great me having a go at one 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.720 of them just after we've lost. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.439 But I can't be expected to ignore that how's it 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.240 bo call from Rico If that's what he did say. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:43.440 That's but that is a lot. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:44.800 But there was a lot of tension in that game 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:49.120 because you remember Brady Retellek also gave Peter Many a 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.240 bit of stick as well because he called Sam Caine 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:56.280 a fake Richie mccaugh. Yeah, so they're obviously a big one, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.319 the fake humble fucker kind of things. But you know what, 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:00.480 I'd say, get over you. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.000 Well. The other thing about it is it was still 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.400 set on the field, wasn't it. Yeah, And what stays 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.200 on the field, what goes on the field stays on 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:07.920 the field. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:08.679 When you try to sell books. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.400 Yeah, that's right. But I do understand there's a little 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.160 bit of tension between the Irish and the All Blacks 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.080 and the Irish because the Irish were good there for 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:16.480 a while. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.079 They were they were They went seventeen games unbeaten. That 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.000 was their first loss. They were favorites to win the 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:21.400 whole thing. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.679 And they started to think that they created some kind 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.000 of legacy, and they started to think that probably they're 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.040 a little bit better than what they actually were, and 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.640 they forget that for the longest time, they've been completely 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:37.719 humiliated by the All Blacks. Yeah, but still RecA, I 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.000 mean you didn't I don't know, you didn't need to 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.480 say that I was retiring. You know, he's annoying though, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.080 Johnny Sexton, I know that's what I mean. It's and 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.960 then they are not innocent, the Irish team. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:49.679 I mean the fact they were baiting Sam Kaine the 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.720 whole time about being fake Richie McCall and all that 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:52.320 kind of stuff. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.200 So I think it's just the way of selling books. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.120 But you know what I'm saying, thank Yeah, you're a 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.760 grown man. I'm kind of I've been called a count 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:00.480 many tis. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.640 Well, you are a cunt, So I mean it's accurate. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.640 Yeah, and so I'm fine with it. Yeah, I don't 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:06.839 turn around and put it in a book. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.560 Yeah. I mean, what actually surprises me that there's that 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.800 level of band going on in a rugby field because 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.839 previously they didn't used to be. It wasn't a sport 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.360 that there was a lot of banter in just a 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.920 lot of punching. People were tired, people were gasping for 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.120 breath half the time. But now there's so much time 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.040 to around scrums and stuff. You've got plenty of, plenty of. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.880 I was told that Brodie Retellek was a big chairper. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.680 Yeah, well he's the one that church Peter Maney. I 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.200 think what did he say? Four more years? Just the 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.920 classic Gregan thing for yearn for more years mate. 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:39.079 Still, yeah, I heard that. I heard that there's a 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.000 bit more ban now than what they used to be. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.840 I guess professionalism changed things a little bit. Yeah, I 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:46.920 think they he would think it'd be quite dangerous. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.199 So because the amount of microphones I've got around, shotgun 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.200 MIC's I've got on field, they can be pretty much 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.520 pack up anything. I don't know if you watched the 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:57.200 game on Saturday night, but the Georgian referee, a Count Dracula, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.480 one of the odses, called him a stupid cunt and 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.920 you could hear on the microphone but he doesn't speak English, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.240 so he didn't really know and you're hear in the 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.960 background he penalized Australia. Is that you can and James Carty, 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.720 I mean normally a professional commentator would apologize on behalf 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:13.800 of the player. 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.199 We just we just laughed it off and actually repeated it. Well, 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.679 what's the deal with that? So whose responsibility is it 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.320 to not allow profanity to come through? Because is it 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.720 the host? Is it the broadcaster? No? But it's good point. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.920 So if someone complained about that, who would be liable 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:34.600 for any kind of. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.160 It would be the broadcaster because they've broadcasted that profanity. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.280 Okay, well it's gin dangerous, isn't it? Yeah, especially live, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.400 there's not a there's not a dump button like Murray 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:45.400 Deacon used to have on it. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:47.600 He never used the dumb button is the problem. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.959 He could never find it. That was part of the problem. 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.679 The dump button, for those of you don't know, is 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.120 the four second delay that a lot of talkback hosts have. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.240 And I'd say that Matt Heath will be definitely employing 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.520 the delay button on his first few weeks asy listeners 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.040 ring up and try and prank him. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.719 But that is that? 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:05.120 Why? 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:09.360 Is that the reason why commentators apologize on behalf of 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.440 the broadcaster for the language so they can kind of 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.360 mitigate any sort of complaint. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.760 Maybe maybe, But is it true that situation with Marry 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.240 Deca that what happens someone would ring him up and 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.560 start talking code with him, Oh yeah, and engage him yeah, 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.560 and then say you're a ballcunt. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.560 It's one of the great that but it's on It's 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.719 on YouTube. You search it, search Murray Deeka baaldcunt. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:33.920 It's one of the great. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.040 The guy just leads him on and he's like, goes, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.440 he talks about Auckland rugby and one of. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.959 The problem and he goes, you are Damien, you are 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:42.240 you are, bang On. 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.520 I totally agree the fact that rugby at the moment 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:50.720 is not facilitated by the right people. You're speaking my language, Damien, 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.680 And he goes, just one more thing, Murray, Yes, Damien, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:54.840 you're a ballcunt. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:12:59.080 I love that. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.480 It was such a long game. I've got a name 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.400 for people like you, Damon. Anyway, next call it. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:05.680 But I couldn't find the dump. 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:07.160 But he doesn't have it. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.920 If we didn't believe in it. I couldn't believe in 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.600 the dump. Button didn't want to do it right. We'll 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.320 take a quick break and I guess it's gonna chat 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:19.840 a bit of black caps. So black caps to nil 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:24.079 Sri Lanka we now have from the sixteenth of October, 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.360 so in a couple of weeks time to the sixth 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.720 of November, we have three tests in India. 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.280 First one in Bangalore needs to turn a. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:36.160 Bit poone yep, it's going to turn a bit. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:38.640 And Wankidi Stadium in Mumbai. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.320 It's got a bit of pace and bounce, doesn't it. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.760 Weky, Yeah, not as turning as as Bangalore and Pooney, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.040 But are we standing on the barrel of losing potentially 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:48.439 seven Test matches in a row. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:52.920 We are well, what would you put your house on 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.480 if you could be your house on something in that situation? 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.720 Would it be for New Zealand to even have it? 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.240 I mean, what isn't a on soon season at the moment? 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.679 It's just finished. It was on the end of monsoon season. 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.440 That's why that first Test against Afghanistan got okay because 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.920 they were relying on the mon season season finishing by then. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.600 Hadn't Has it stopped now? Definitely? I don't. I don't know, okay, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.680 because I would my money would be on three nil, 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.240 oh man, wouldn't it be? Yeah? I mean I know, 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.600 but it's our record over there. I'm sure we've won 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.200 a Test one. We've won one Test. Yes, in the 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.960 whole history of New Zealand cricket, we've managed with all 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.160 the teams we've had, all the great players we've had 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.240 in the past, we've managed against some pretty ordinary Indian teams. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:40.480 At times we've managed to win one Test. Do you 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.400 think that we could salvage this team could salvage one 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.160 Test when we've just been beaten too nil in Tri Lanka. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.560 Maybe the only one, like you mentioned is wanke Eddy. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.440 I think we'll get well and truly beaten in Bengalo 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.560 and Pune. But when it comes to wang Keitty, maybe 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.080 the Indians will you know, had the foot off the throat. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:00.440 But they're playing for World Test Championship points, so I 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:01.440 can't see them doing that. No. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.280 The other problem is, as New Zealand cricket is now, 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.360 these are not stadiums that we're not that we're unfamiliar with. 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.440 I mean, our guys are through ipl have played heaps 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.360 and sim Selvie was based in Mumbai for a long 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.000 time and Bangalore and Bangalore, so you know these are 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.840 these are grounds that they know well. The problem is 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.120 that we are the worst players of spin in world 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.720 cricket and that is a fact. And I don't think 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.960 there's a solution to that problem because when you're growing 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.240 up in New Zealand, the reality is you just you 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.760 just don't face a lot of quality spin and trying conditions. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.760 And I think the hardest thing for New Zealand batsman 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.880 is when you start losing wickets against spin. And you 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.600 think about this yourself, when you've when you've come in 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:51.920 in situations where a spinner starts to dominate and the 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:57.120 balls turning and it's hard to get established. You don't 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.640 get a short one outside of something you can smash 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.320 through point. It's not that easy. You've got to use 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.640 the pace yourself and also the other problems. And this 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.440 happened in those tests in Sri Lanka. Our guys were 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.120 getting starts and they were battling away and working past 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.560 half centuries. But with spin, when you've got two spinners operating, 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.160 it's it's a different rhythm. You've got to go after it. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.040 You've got a cap, you've got to keep attacking them 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.400 to score. But every time you attack, you open up 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:28.600 the chance to getting out as well. It's complicated. Man. Psychologically, 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.200 we're just not set up for that sort of cricket. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.560 Yeah, we're not because you look at the domestic scene, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.600 is not that many spinners. No, because we don't have 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.520 wickets but mine. You the wickets member the wickets last 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.760 season and they were turning like we misread both wickets 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.520 against Africa. We almost lost against the African d team. Yeah, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.240 it's slow turn occasionally a little bit of bounce. In 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.000 New Zealand Bars Reserve had a bit of bounce and 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.560 a bit of ten spots do well there. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:57.480 But it's just it goes back generations and generations. I 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.720 mean I remember talking to Davatory. So New Zealand is 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.080 the artist country in the world to bowl spin in. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.320 It's the one place that you get the least. You 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:05.639 get a little bit of bounce every now and there. 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.560 But in Australia you'll get bounced. You'll also get turned 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.840 on the final days and obviously get you get turned. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.320 Sometimes you get bounced as well, get prodigious turned sometimes 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:20.280 in day one England some pictures turn and some bounce depends, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.879 but there is some bounce and turn there. South Africa 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.080 nowadays a lot of the pictures are slow. They'll turn, 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.639 So the Westerndies turns a lot. New Zealand is the 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.080 last bastion of non turning of. 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.159 Green seams slow, the last one. I suppose that's the 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:36.920 only reason, well not the only reason, but one of 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.520 the big reasons then Vati was damn was so successful 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.119 is because he was so tall. He managed to extrapolate 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.840 the bounce in New Zealand as opposed to just someone 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:45.639 like ajs Ptel. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.120 He's not a big man and doesn't bowl a lot 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.159 of pace. It just kind of just floats it up, 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:50.560