1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: To politics. The opposition is joining forces to stop what 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: they are calling dangerous changes to the early childhood sector. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Labor and the Greens and the Maori Party and also 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: the Union NZDI have joined together to say they are 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: going to start a tour around the country to hear 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: concerns from the public and teachers and parents about David 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: SEMA's plan to cut what he calls stupid rules in 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: the sector. Jantinetti is Labour's education spokesperson, a jan Hi Heather, 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: So what is dangerous about what David Semur wants to cut? 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: First of all, regulation is necessary to ensure young children's 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 2: safety and the quality of education, and that has to 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: be put at the heart of any framework. This review 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: is being carried out in a really short time frame, 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: and we've heard from educators that they are really concerned 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: that their voices are not being heard. They have they've 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: submitted to the review, but they feel like the questions 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: in the survey were very skewed. We're worried that we're 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: not getting to the heart of the safety and that 19 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: quality of education, and it's really important to hear all 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: of the the voices here or else it is going 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: to be dangerous. We are going to put our kids 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: in a really unsafe position and also our teachers in 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: an unsafe position. 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: What rules are they planning to cut that you think 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: would make it dangerous? 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: Well, in opposition, David Seymour talked a lot about many 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: of the regulations in the EC and said that they 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: were ridiculous. Now, one of the ones that he cited 29 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: was having to record the number of times when a 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: teacher put Neppi rash cream onto a young child. Now, 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: as a parent myself, I would want to know that 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: information because if you're having to put that on a 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: number of times in the day, there is clearly something wrong. 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: And if a teacher is doing that and then that's 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: found out later because it hasn't been recorded, that's putting 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: that teacher at risk. And so it is really important. 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: It's not the only of course, that's just an example, 38 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: but it is something that we need to make sure 39 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: that the safety of those kids and the safety of 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: those teachers is put at the heart. 41 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: But I don't think that's a good example. I mean, 42 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: I've got a kid who's just coming out of nappies. 43 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: If the teacher was putting a lot of nappy rash 44 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: cream on. Then at the end of the day, I 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: would also see that there's a problem in the nappy, 46 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't I. I wouldn't need to know how many times 47 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: it was put on. I could see with my own 48 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: eyes there's a problem. 49 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: But you would have that conversation with the teacher at 50 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 2: the same time. Now, I've recently been to a conference 51 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: we've had overseas experts. Doctor Mary Maloney was there from Ireland. 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: She said, you know, regulations are there for a reason. 53 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: They're there to keep young people safe and the children 54 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: safe and to ensure quality education. Of course they must 55 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: be fair and they must be proportionate, but children's experiences 56 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: do need to be at the center of all of that. 57 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: And she also said she's very disappointed that New Zealand's 58 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: going down this track of running the review the way 59 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: that they are, because when it is rushed, and when 60 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: it happened to overseas that it's been rushed, children were 61 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: injured or an either in some cases there was death 62 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: because the review it carried out too quickly, went too 63 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: far to shot where they don't can't have that well. 64 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: She cited a case in England here and that's where 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: it had happened, So we. 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: Have to why did the child die? 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: In some cases it's around that particular case was around 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: sleeping patterns and not not checking enough in the sleeping patterns, 69 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: and the rest of the particular center did not check, 70 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: did not go in and checked because the regulations went 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: strong enough. Is a rule that wants to shut No, 72 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: that's part of the regulation review that we've got at 73 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: the moment, and that's what we're just ensuring that everybody's 74 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: words are being equally. 75 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: So one of the rules that I would like to 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: see cut is one that involves country kindy in the 77 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: manner were too right? That place was shut down briefly 78 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: because it didn't write a mission statement that was part 79 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: of the reasons. Is that a rule that you want 80 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: to keep or would you prepare to let that one go? 81 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: So, Heather, as I've said before, and I've said this 82 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: quite publicly, I'm all for supporting to make sure that 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: we've got the right regulations. What I'm not in support 84 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: of is ensure rushing the review, making certain we have 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: to make certain that we're listening to the bike people 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: and all people that are evolting. 87 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: Here's another one, David Seymour reckons that one ECE provided 88 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: God in touch with him because they got in trouble 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: because the first aid certificate was being hung on the 90 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: right hand side of the door, not above the doorframe. 91 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: Would you be prepared to get rid of that rule? 92 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: That was the rule? Now, what I am going to 93 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: say to that particular case and others like it is 94 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: that sometimes centers interpretations of regulations are the heart of 95 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: the problem. And David Seymour has actually said that himself, 96 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: not the regulations. So you know. 97 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: Jen, is it not possible? I mean, so you and 98 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 1: I both agree that some rules may need to change, 99 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: right are you? Are you guys not maybe putting the 100 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: horse that the cart in front of the horse if 101 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: like by complain about it becoming dangerous. We don't even 102 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: know what he's going to cut. 103 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, Heather. As I said, we're going to 104 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: make certain that all voices are heard. This is to 105 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: add to what we're doing here. It's making certain that 106 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: people feel that their voices are being listened to. If 107 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: we can be of any support and help in that 108 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: process to make sure that the government gets that right, 109 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: then that's exactly what we will do. Because our kids 110 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: are far too important. They are little treasures to be 111 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: nurtured and that's really important. It's obvious he's a bit 112 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: flustered at the moment because they put out a pr 113 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: shortly after ours. But we're taking a principled approach here 114 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: to make certain that our children are right at the 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: center and that the teacher's voices will be heard. 116 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: Jan, thank you very much, really appreciate your time, mate. 117 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: Go well. That's Jan Tinetti, Labour's education Spokespusin. 118 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live to 119 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: news 120 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the 121 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.