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Speaker 1: Hither duple c ellen.

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Speaker 2: Now farmers are demanding that Otago Regional Council front up

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Speaker 2: and be honest about how much the new water rules

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Speaker 2: are going to cost. It turns out, as predicted, the

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Speaker 2: tomorow or two y concept which has been put into

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Speaker 2: the water rules, which allows the local ewe to tell

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Speaker 2: local government how to protect the manna of the water,

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Speaker 2: is going to be really expensive. With me right now

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Speaker 2: is Luke Caine, the president of Federated Farmer's Otago.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Luke, Hi, how are you doing so?

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Speaker 2: I'm well, thank you mate. How much have you heard

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Speaker 2: it's going to cost?

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Speaker 1: Yes, say, that's a tricky thing, right. We're working on

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Speaker 1: some older information because no one seems to have an

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Speaker 1: up to date figure. The last we heard for a

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Speaker 1: couple of small towns in Otago as they study with

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Speaker 1: around one hundred and ten million, which would quate still

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Speaker 1: around that fifty odd thousand.

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Speaker 2: Per which are these two towns.

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Speaker 1: They are in the central Otago district yees, so there

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Speaker 1: are of the of that size of around that four

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Speaker 1: or five hundred people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and are they affected now? My understanding is they

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Speaker 2: are affected by the local ewe's rule and being nai

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Speaker 2: tahoo that water that's passed through a human body cannot

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Speaker 2: be put back into a waterway. So for example, you know,

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Speaker 2: the whees that have been treated cannot be put into

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Speaker 2: the local stream. Is that what is affecting them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's it's to the point where even

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Speaker 1: if this water is actually treated to the point where

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Speaker 1: it is then cleaner, clearer than the naturally flowing water,

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Speaker 1: it still can't go in there. Why, it's not a

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Speaker 1: debate on whether where you know, it's not around wanting

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Speaker 1: to discharge raw sewage by any means that you know,

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Speaker 1: that's another argument, but it's well, not like that just

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Speaker 1: can't be done. But yes, it's it's based on the

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Speaker 1: more spiritual believing of the water.

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Speaker 2: Spiritual stuff. Okay, and so is this going to the

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Speaker 2: cost comes into what having to build new new water

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Speaker 2: treatment infrastructure or something like.

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Speaker 1: That, Well, it would have to be discharged to land,

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Speaker 1: which of course, okay, we could possibly do that, but

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Speaker 1: under all of the throod producing rules we cannot. As farmers,

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Speaker 1: you aren't allowed to harvest any pasture or anything and

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Speaker 1: feed it back to an anal animal if it's had

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Speaker 1: that water applied to it and We're a wet climate

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Speaker 1: down here in places right, ability to actually discharge any

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Speaker 1: water during a winter period is non existent because water

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Speaker 1: holding capacity of the soils not there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now this is obviously going to affect the rate pays.

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Speaker 2: How is this going to affect farmers?

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Speaker 1: So farmers obviously also either in some cases are on

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Speaker 1: town supply for sewage and that sort of thing, or

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Speaker 1: both the private schemes adviseeptic tanks and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: But also quite big in the central Nargo area where

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Speaker 1: a lot of irrigation and North Otago, there's issues there

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Speaker 1: where that it cannot take water from one tributary, mix

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Speaker 1: it with another and then possibly put it back into

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Speaker 1: the tributary. So there's cases there where there's been mining

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Speaker 1: channels or water conveying channels for over one hundred years,

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Speaker 1: which might make you know, two creeks to get it

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Speaker 1: for simple terms and discharge it back to the river,

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Speaker 1: even though the river was where the water would naturally

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Speaker 1: end up. A just means that there's a co creek

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Speaker 1: in the middle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, you have you gone to the Otaga Regional

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Speaker 2: Council asked them how much is this going to cost?

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Speaker 1: So we've left between out yesterday. We understand that some

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Speaker 1: of the district councils are really concerned of these rules

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Speaker 1: and they you know, obviously everybody is in a in

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Speaker 1: a financial princh at the moment, especially councils, and deciding

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Speaker 1: how and where to spend their money. So you know,

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Speaker 1: talking billions across the target if we use that, you know,

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Speaker 1: those couple of case studies, which yeah, it's just.

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Speaker 2: Not viable, No, it really isn't. Luke, thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for talking us through. That's Luke Caine, President of

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Speaker 2: Federated Farmers Are Target.

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