1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about what David Seymour said yesterday. He 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: floated the policy that would cut a whole lot of 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: ministries and a whole lot of ministerial portfolios and government. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: He went after racing, hunting and fishing, hospitality space, child 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: poverty reduction. But also I have gone after the Minister 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: for Women Jantinetti is a former Minister for women and 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: also child poverty reduction in the last labor government is 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: with us. Now, Hello jan hy Heather sell me on 9 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: the Minister for women. Why do we need to keep 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: this ridiculous position. 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 2: Well, it's not ridiculous for a start, because we've got 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: a lot of women out there that are well behind 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: where their male counterparts are. We have a very high 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: gender pay gap that's sitting stubbornly around eight to ten. 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Women's unemployment is much higher in certain demographics. There's a 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: disproportionate impact on women during labor market shops, marginalized groups. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: No, no, no, the bad stuff. What's the minister done 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: about it all doing? 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 2: So, what's happened is that we've got a ministry that 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: has can put a gender lens over it and can 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: have that specialized look at what is happening and the 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 2: interventions that will make a difference. So, as an example, 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: in the three years that I was minister, we developed 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: and premented plans to produce the lowest ever gender pay 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 2: gap in the public service that we could then take 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: and put that across into the private sector to see 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: how we made a difference in the public service. Take 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: that across to the private sector. 29 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you do this. What you do? This 30 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: is how you close the gender pay gap? Is you 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: go I and if you care about it, you go 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: and you say, hey, public service, pay the women the 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: same as the dudes, and then you rely on the 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: private sector women to actually ask for this. It's literally 35 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: just paying people more. You don't need a ministry for that. 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: No, you actually do because people don't understand what happens 37 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: to creation. Just saying that exactly exactly proves my point, 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: because you have just simplified something that is so complex, 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 2: and that is the issue. Heither if we put this 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: out to other ministries to do, if we did all 41 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: of this out to other ministries, they would try and 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: simplify it far too much and we wouldn't get anywhere. 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: Would become this pit box mentality you just proved my point. 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: Why do we need a child poverty reduction minister. Don't 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: tell me because we have child poverty. It's tell me 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: why we need the minister. 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: Exactly for the same reason. When you put this to 48 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: other ministries, that does not become their big focus. When 49 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: you have a minister, which is really complex when you 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: are in government that their actual ministerial portfolio is incredibly technical, 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: but it brings together everything else, so you're able to 52 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: have the oversight of all of the other initiatives that 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: all of the other ministries are take part in, and 54 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: you're able to then say, well, look, this clearly isn't 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: working because you're bringing it all together, or this is working. 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: This is what we need to focus our resources on. 57 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: So tell me something that you did as the child 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: poverty reduction minister that you saw and that you change 59 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: that made a difference. 60 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: So child poverty reduction minister doesn't do is it doesn't 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: have the responsibility for the initiatives. What they do have 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: the responsibility for is monitoring the data. So what I 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: was able to do was look at that and say 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: these initiatives that NESD are putting in, for example, are 65 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: making this difference so we need to put more resourcing 66 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: into this area. So the minister has the oversight to say, well, 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: this is where we need to put more resourcing or 68 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: this is where we need to change the resourcing from. 69 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: It is a really critical part making certain that all 70 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: the ministry ministries work together. 71 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: What did I do. 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: I was able to look at yep, so absolutely can 73 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: do that. So in twenty twenty three Exit only took over. 74 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three we were able to lean into 75 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: where we could make the biggest difference as far as 76 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: children's education was concerned in the early years, so that 77 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: we could get people able to be able to afford 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: the right childcare, to get mums back into the workforce 79 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: predominantly mums, and so we introduced that extension of the 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: twenty hours free and that came not from my Minister 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: of Education hat but came from my Minister of Child 82 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: Poverty Reduction, looking at what was going to make the 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: biggest difference. Another one that we looked at was the 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: review and the implementation of Working for Families. That was 85 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: working with Carmel Secaloni, who was the Minister at that stage. 86 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 2: In that area. I was able to be looking and 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: having that really deep dive into the data and saying 88 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: to her this is where we need to be now 89 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: focusing our resources. That's the difference that that ministerial portfolio 90 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: has because they can have that absolute, sharp fire focus 91 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: on that particular area. 92 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: All right, Jan I just feel like I need to 93 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: be honest with you. Haven't convinced me because you're only. 94 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: Not a what not a surprise because the thing is, 95 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 3: shouldn't every minister who is doling out cash be trying 96 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: to get the kiddies who are poor out of poverty? 97 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I just it's completely over complicating very simple things. 98 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you're exactly right there. They absolutely 99 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: should be and that is the Minister of Child Poverty 100 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: Reduction's role to make sure that that's exactly what they're 101 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: doing and shepherd through that strategy of everybody working together 102 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: and making that their pass. 103 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: I've got to give you some credit, jam because nobody 104 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: else would talk about this, not the Minister for Space 105 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: or HOSPO or Child current Child Property, nobody, nobody except 106 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: for you. So I appreciate you turning up and having 107 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: the debate. Jantiniti former Minister for Women and Child Poverty 108 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: Reduction For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, Listen live 109 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays. Follow 110 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.