1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: With the John and Ben Podcast. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Cheers to Dilma making the world a better tea. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 3: Lovely lovely to have you in here. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: You and and the America's Cup, which is constant saying 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot bigger than you think it would be. 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 3: It is. No one's ever said that to me. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 4: Do you find that people do say that about the 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 4: America's Cup? The surprised with the size of it. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: Everybody says that, yeah, yeah, it is a spectacular trophy. 10 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: It is I would say, the size of a what 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: a four or five year old kid? 12 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you want to use the child measurement system, yeah, 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 1: for a five year old kid. 14 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. So how heavy is it? Because I imagine we 15 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: are where mere mortals. We can't we haven't won the 16 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 3: America's Cup? So how heavy is this thing? 17 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: Seventeen kilograms? Do you whip that. 18 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Down to mister minute in the all and they do 19 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: the ingram the engraving or is there like a process 20 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: when when someone wins the America's Cup that goes to 21 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: a special engraver. 22 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: It goes to a very special engraver. 23 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: That's right? 24 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, So am I right in saying that eighteen hundred 25 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 4: and forty eight or something when it was first made 26 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 4: or something like that. 27 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: So the trophy was first competed for. The first race 28 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: was eighteen fifty one. 29 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so it's been around to the oldest trophy in. 30 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: Sports, oldest trophy in sport over one hundred and seventy 31 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: years ago. 32 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: Wow. 33 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: Is really it's a sight to behold and you're going 34 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: to be taking it around the country. 35 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 2: That's right. So we're our friends from Toyota, New Zealand. 36 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: We're taking it to forty destinations around the country, from 37 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: Kitty Kitty in the north to Icargo in the south, 38 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: visiting sailing clubs, schools. Toyota stores the length and the 39 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: breedge to the country. 40 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: That's very coose so people can get up close to 41 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 3: it and get a photo. 42 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: Awesome, Now you got you got a wonderful gentleman here 43 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: with white gloves on. Now you're it's his job to 44 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: carry it around. 45 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: That's that's norm normally norm it's normal. Is he a 46 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: safe bare of hands? 47 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: Norm? 48 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: Norm is a very safe hasn't dropped it? 49 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 3: Dropped it once yet? 50 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 4: No? 51 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I meased a huge responsibility for you. 52 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Norm. Normal. Normal. 53 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: It's like you could kill a man don't message, don't 54 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: the cap. 55 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: Well, and yeah, many people will be aware that it's 56 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: not going to be held in New Zealand this time. 57 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: Whereabouts is the next America's Cup. 58 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: The next America's Cup is in barcel and what. 59 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: They take it to Barcelona. 60 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: Because Barcelona offered to host it for us and by 61 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: doing that the team was able to raise enough money 62 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: to be able to hopefully successfully defend it. Nice, So 63 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: that's a little bit different this time. So this is 64 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: effectively the Cup going on. It's oe and we're doing 65 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: something different. 66 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: But it's still a home race for us. 67 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: We are still defending it, and so are their new teams. 68 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: New countries entering this America's Cup that haven't been there previously. 69 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: Yes there are, so there's teams from France before. The 70 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: Swiss are back with an. 71 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: They had a linger. 72 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what is different this time is they've brought 73 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: in the muscle of some of the Formula One teams 74 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: and Lingy have so they've got the Red Bull Formula 75 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: One team in thes have bought in the Mercedes Formula 76 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: One team, so they're putting enormous resource and horsepower and 77 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: Team New Zealand are working incredibly hard, so make sure 78 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: that they can do because it's changed. 79 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: So much over I remember, you know, the early times 80 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: that I would watch it with the boats would seem 81 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 4: to go out. 82 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: I felt like they're out there for days. He probably wasn't. 83 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: But now they've got a missing for six hours. We'll 84 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: find out who wins the joving. 85 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 4: But now it's like Formula one on water, isn't it. 86 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: They had the little trampoline thing they had, but one 87 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 4: stage pedaling with their feet and legs as well. It's 88 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 4: so many innovations have happened over the last few. 89 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: Years, and the cyclers are back this time. But what 90 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: will be unique this time is the event will be 91 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 2: literally sailed off the beach in Barcelona. 92 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: The design of the boat changes dramatically between one America's 93 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: Cup to the next. Do all of the teams competing 94 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: have to go? Okay this year we're going to allow 95 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: the cycling technology or could you have one boat that's 96 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: got cycling technology, one boat that's got a Formula one 97 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: engine strapped to the bottom of. 98 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: It, like could you have different boats or they all 99 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: have to be of the. 100 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: Same They're all subject to the same rule. And this 101 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: time it's a second generation of the boats we saw 102 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: here in Auckland. There are some minor modifications, like the 103 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: cyclaws are back, so all the teams will have those. 104 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: But I think a lot of the smarts are the 105 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: stuff that you and I won't notice, which is what's 106 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: going on within the foils and inside the boat and 107 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: the systems they're using to sail the boat. I think 108 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: that's where the refinement will be this time. 109 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: Is it going to be fast? 110 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: How much faster can go? 111 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: Well, the feedback we're getting is a lot faster than 112 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: last America, is a lot faster than the last America. 113 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: Because there's always a secrecy too, because no one wants 114 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: to sort of played their hand too early and the 115 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 4: technology and stuff that so how does all that happen? 116 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 4: Do they sort of sail when other people aren't watching, or. 117 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: As I say, a lot of the technology and the 118 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: sophistication is what we can't see. It's inside the boats. 119 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: They can only build a certain number of foils so 120 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: they can see each other's, but they'll all be careful. 121 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: There's actually the preliminary regatta for the America's Cup starts 122 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: at the end of this month, and that will be 123 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: the first time that we'll see all the boats racing 124 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: together and actually start to get a feel for who's 125 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: fast and who's not. 126 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: Well, that's very excited. 127 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: Are they mixed crews out there? Are there females aboard 128 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: any of the boats? 129 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: Not for the America's Cup itself, as I understand, But 130 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: what is different this time is there's two lead up regattas. 131 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: One is the Youth America's Cup and the other is 132 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: a women's America's Cup. 133 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: And they've got the same tech and they're still got 134 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: the cycles. 135 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: And so they're one design boats. Yeah, and that's designed 136 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: to build depth in the sailors that will ultimately be 137 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: able to sail in the America's Cup boats in the future. 138 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: And so do they look to like Olympic athletes and 139 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 1: things because of like, if you've got cyclists, we're just 140 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: one goal. Multiple times the women did in France, that's right. 141 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: You know. In fact, you know Ta New Zealand has 142 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: ex Olympic cyclaws in their team. 143 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: Wow, it's very interesting. It's a crazy sport, isn't it, 144 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: And there's so much money behind it. 145 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: It's wild, there is, and I think you know that's 146 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: an important point. It is actually more than a sporting event. 147 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: It's creating a team, it's the technology, it's the innovation, 148 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: it's the engineering as well as sailing a boat. 149 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: Because I guess you're in New Zealand, you know we 150 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: do such a great job of it, but you know 151 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 4: we're probably there's probably other teams with more money. 152 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: What makes us so good at it? 153 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: I think it is that innovation. So, you know, one 154 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: of the remarkable things about what Emirates Team New Zealand 155 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: have done over forty years, less resources than anyone else's got, 156 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: has been able to be consistently successful. And that is 157 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: by thinking differently, being innovative, being creative, coming up with 158 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: ideas that no one else has and and and that's 159 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: something that I think we can all be very proud of. 160 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's something that we aspire to is 161 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: as New Zealanders on the bottom the world, competing on 162 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: the world stage, is that ability to be innovative and 163 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: creative and come up with a smarter solution. 164 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: Do we have a big hand in making the rules 165 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: for this America's Cup given that we're the current cup holders. 166 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: We do, But we have to agree with with what 167 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: they call a challenger of record which is a club 168 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: that acts on behalf of the challenging clubs and in 169 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: this type this case it's the Royal Yacht Squadron out 170 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: of England. 171 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: Because I'd be like, hey, by the way, no formula 172 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: one dudes, don't want to keep those in and allowed. Yeah, yeah, 173 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: and you get you to start five minutes after we start. 174 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you so much for bringing that. And 175 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: it's really an honor. 176 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 4: They have America's Company yourself in the studio. Where can 177 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 4: people if they want to see it, as you said, 178 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: it's going from the top of the north the bottom 179 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 4: of the south, how can they find out where it's 180 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: going to be. 181 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, the best place to go is our website which 182 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: is keywecup dot co dot nz it and that has 183 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: all the details. 184 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: For the trip. 185 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: And look at it now. I'm not we're not over 186 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: selling it. It's a remarkable It's a remarkable side, isn't it. 187 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. I mean this it is a spectacular 188 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: trophy and people can come and have their photo taken 189 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: with it, get up close and personal and actually just 190 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: see how much detail there is on the club. And 191 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed there, but it's got 192 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 2: the result of every race over one hundred and seventy 193 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: years engraved on the trophy. 194 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: It's a pretty small engraving going on here. 195 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: He like me to get the old Silvo out on 196 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: that thing, and there a whole bottle for polishing job. Yeah, 197 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: really remarkable. So you definitely go out and see this thing, 198 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: have a photo with it before it heads off. When 199 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: does it go overseas? 200 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: It goes to Barcelona towards end of September. 201 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, carry on luggage, first class, first class. 202 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: I can imagine it would be first class. We're going 203 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 4: a first class bock. Well, thank you so much for 204 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 4: coming in. We really appreciate it. 205 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: Pleasure